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00:00:00.000 Hey, a lot on today's program. We have an update on the trial for the January 6th charges against Donald Trump.

00:00:07.700 Don't worry, they're not trying to interfere with an election.

00:00:10.240 They just set the trial date the day before Super Tuesday.

00:00:15.780 We'll talk a little bit about that.

00:00:17.880 We have Neil Howe on today, the author of The Fourth Turning Is Here, and the original Fourth Turning.

00:00:27.400 He is fantastic.

00:00:29.000 A lot of real hope on how our country will survive.

00:00:34.800 All on today's podcast.

00:00:43.360 You're listening to The Best of the Glenn Beck Program.

00:00:50.720 There's a couple of things going on we should report.

00:00:54.180 First of all, the power company, the Hawaiian Electric Company, has removed all of the transformers and the poles and the wires.

00:01:07.820 Some would call it evidence, but they've removed all of that from the scene.

00:01:13.340 And they said they only did that because, well, they don't own any of the land.

00:01:19.720 You know, they're just beyond the power substation.

00:01:23.720 So they wanted to clean it up, make sure that everything was good.

00:01:26.700 They said they took pictures, though.

00:01:30.500 So that's good.

00:01:31.320 That's good.

00:01:31.940 Yeah.

00:01:32.380 You know, a picture is worth a thousand words, Glenn.

00:01:34.220 Yeah, it really is.

00:01:35.240 What a surprise.

00:01:35.860 This is a, you know, public-private partnership with the government, too.

00:01:39.060 Yeah.

00:01:39.460 Yeah.

00:01:39.720 I'm really surprised.

00:01:41.460 It didn't work out really well.

00:01:43.660 It never does.

00:01:44.320 Never does.

00:01:44.760 They never seem to do their job.

00:01:46.020 By the way, they only released, what was it, 300 names of the missing on Friday.

00:01:53.640 There's 1,100 people still missing.

00:01:57.400 And, I mean, I don't know why they're saying it that way.

00:02:02.940 It's, I mean, it's not that big of an island.

00:02:05.280 I hate to be, I don't mean to be callous on this, but it's not that big of an island.

00:02:09.200 It's not like, it's not like somebody, you know, is wandering off and is lost or whatever.

00:02:15.240 I mean, it's not that big.

00:02:17.020 And, you know, what would it be?

00:02:20.340 Somebody with Alzheimer's, maybe.

00:02:22.360 Okay.

00:02:22.780 Yeah.

00:02:23.000 That's a possibility, right?

00:02:24.180 A kid, maybe, maybe.

00:02:26.260 But I doubt it.

00:02:27.340 I mean.

00:02:28.020 Yeah.

00:02:28.240 But it's theoretically possible.

00:02:31.160 Because, yeah, why would you be missing?

00:02:32.660 Or somebody who's, like, just trying to disappear.

00:02:35.400 Right.

00:02:35.880 Yeah.

00:02:36.520 You know.

00:02:36.880 Faking their death.

00:02:37.740 I mean, out of that many missing.

00:02:41.600 I don't understand.

00:02:42.600 Certainly not 5%, right?

00:02:44.620 No.

00:02:45.020 Like, what is the number here?

00:02:46.060 I mean, God.

00:02:46.540 And you think about this.

00:02:47.620 If all these people that are missing are gone, I mean, you know, this is a.

00:02:53.320 Horrifying.

00:02:54.320 Horrible.

00:02:54.800 I mean, and this might be why they're holding it back.

00:02:56.600 Like, they don't want people to really, you know, come to the point where they recognize

00:03:02.120 what's happened here.

00:03:03.060 This is.

00:03:03.480 Maybe.

00:03:03.780 I don't know.

00:03:04.300 I don't know what it is.

00:03:05.600 J.P.

00:03:06.140 Decker.

00:03:06.640 He is Mercury One's executive director.

00:03:09.540 He was an executive producer for me and a producer for a very long time.

00:03:13.460 He's now over at Mercury One.

00:03:15.940 And I believe you leave Hawaii today.

00:03:18.700 Do you not, J.P.?

00:03:20.220 Yes, sir.

00:03:20.900 Yeah.

00:03:21.280 Yeah.

00:03:21.520 I leave tonight.

00:03:22.000 So is there any explanation why they are still holding these names?

00:03:26.760 Glenn, I have, you know, we've been here almost five days, and that is one thing that every

00:03:35.400 single local is confused on that we've spoken with.

00:03:38.020 Um, I've spoken with a lot of people and they said, we don't trust anyone.

00:03:41.320 We do not trust what's coming out of the government.

00:03:43.480 We don't trust what's coming out of not just the state of Hawaii, but the county and then

00:03:49.280 also our federal government.

00:03:50.300 How do they not?

00:03:52.000 I mean, that is terrifying that they don't even believe the county.

00:03:55.320 Um, and go ahead, no, no, go ahead.

00:04:00.180 Well, it's just one word though, about the locals is that's come up while we're, you know,

00:04:06.380 talking with some of these stories are just, again, horrific, but these are some of the

00:04:12.420 most resilient people I've ever met in my life.

00:04:15.720 They yesterday, just a quick story.

00:04:18.900 Yesterday, we, uh, we connected with this surfer.

00:04:22.020 Um, he's a pretty famous surfer on the Island and they said, Hey, you know, we're, we're

00:04:27.140 getting a shipment from one of the other islands of surfboards and fishing equipment.

00:04:31.800 And I, I said, well, one, we went and helped.

00:04:35.860 We were in the water.

00:04:37.140 We were pulling surfboards off the boat.

00:04:39.200 We were doing, you know, getting fishing supplies.

00:04:41.540 And I said, what, what is going on here?

00:04:43.460 And they said, most of these kids lost their surfboards in the mental health crisis that

00:04:48.860 is here right now from seeing people burning in cars and seeing their family members in

00:04:53.140 their homes.

00:04:53.940 This is the only thing that's going to bring this community back to what we, we know and

00:04:58.240 we love.

00:04:58.880 And so this guy is going to take kids, um, surfboards that were donated from other islands.

00:05:04.260 And then the fishing supplies is just going to go to these local fishermen who lost literally

00:05:10.840 everything.

00:05:11.360 These are the guys who go out and buy the fish for all the tourists and speaking with these

00:05:17.440 people.

00:05:18.860 And for me, yesterday we were at church, um, Harvest Church, which is one of our partners.

00:05:24.020 Um, and I was standing next to one of the worship leaders, wives who lost everything in this

00:05:31.500 fire.

00:05:32.540 She's just bawling and crying out and she, they're singing this, one of these songs and it's about

00:05:38.660 how God is still in control in this disaster.

00:05:42.340 And it was, it was a powerful moment for me.

00:05:45.600 I think this is the first time that I finally broke down, um, from seeing the damage and

00:05:50.000 seeing what this city is going through.

00:05:52.760 And the one thing that really hits close to home is these, these are Americans.

00:05:57.280 These are our brothers and sisters.

00:05:59.520 These, this isn't just, uh, another story in the news cycle that's going to disappear.

00:06:04.500 These are our people.

00:06:05.960 And the fact that the government has, has just decided to one block everyone from going

00:06:12.820 back in still, um, there's a few people that have been able to go back in and look at their

00:06:16.360 homes, but two, they're, I mean, we've gone past, we have to drive through part of line

00:06:22.860 every single day.

00:06:23.960 If we want to get to another part of the Island and you see the destruction and you smell the

00:06:29.000 smoke still, you smell the ashes.

00:06:31.060 And you know, those black walls that are going up on the road that everyone says the government's

00:06:35.920 covering up the ashes, all this.

00:06:37.820 And it's what we've learned, what we've seen across the whole Island are those black walls 0.96

00:06:41.540 are so that ashes in the teeth of whatever is left of any of those human remains don't

00:06:47.680 go into the street and don't get lost.

00:06:51.160 It's just, it's devastating, Glenn.

00:06:53.540 Devastating.

00:06:54.060 I know, you know, people ran into the water and how many people, I mean, how far in the

00:07:03.020 water did they go?

00:07:04.080 I hear some of them were in the water for eight or 10 hours, just treading water.

00:07:08.940 Is that true?

00:07:09.660 Oh yeah.

00:07:10.480 Yeah.

00:07:10.980 Glenn, we, we were, uh, with a couple of people yesterday and there was a story of this

00:07:16.460 teacher and the fires coming down towards the ocean and she had to run, jump in the ocean

00:07:23.040 with a group, a big group of people.

00:07:25.780 She doesn't know how many, but a big group of people and they all jump in.

00:07:29.880 They treaded water and swam for up to eight hours and everyone around her drowned.

00:07:38.060 Oh my gosh.

00:07:38.760 She's, she's trying to rescue these people, these kids, these dads, these moms, these

00:07:43.680 grandparents, but she, she could, she couldn't do anything. 0.96

00:07:47.700 And so she just, she just tried to tread and swim, but everyone around her drowned.

00:07:52.500 And they ended up finding her eight hours later alive.

00:07:55.140 This, this lady, a mile off the coast. 1.00

00:07:58.720 This shouldn't have happened this way.

00:08:01.120 How, how did there were the people?

00:08:03.240 Yeah.

00:08:03.400 Where were the, where were the coast guard boats or whatever boats?

00:08:07.120 What, why?

00:08:08.280 Yeah.

00:08:08.700 What happened?

00:08:09.580 Every single local that I have spoken to are asking the same question.

00:08:14.520 They're asking, you know, we've got installments all around this area on all these islands.

00:08:20.920 Where was the military?

00:08:22.360 And, you know, we've heard stories of some Navy SEALs coming in and, you know, just helping.

00:08:27.140 And then some Chinooks that came in and helped try to rescue. 0.99

00:08:29.520 And the coast guard came in later on to try to help.

00:08:32.820 But we, we did confirm with a couple locals who ran out that the police were so scared of

00:08:40.580 the power lines that fell through the wind that people were not allowed to get out of

00:08:44.880 Lahaina.

00:08:46.080 And during these fires, because the police were blocking off because they didn't want

00:08:50.560 them to run into the power lines that were still alive.

00:08:54.700 Which, which is the job of the power company that always happens.

00:08:59.220 A power line goes down and you shut everything off.

00:09:03.080 What, why didn't they shut it off?

00:09:05.760 They, they had, they don't, they don't want to, they haven't come out yet and said anything.

00:09:10.900 They don't want to incriminate.

00:09:13.240 I mean, uh, they don't want to say, uh,

00:09:15.760 the other day we were eating at a local restaurant and we smelled a fire.

00:09:21.180 Uh, this was the one that kind of, you probably might've heard about, but there was a, there's

00:09:25.040 a pretty large grass fire that was going towards Lahaina.

00:09:28.460 And so we smelled it.

00:09:30.900 Um, and then what's interesting though, we're at this restaurant and there's a FEMA person,

00:09:36.840 there's a Red Cross person.

00:09:38.280 There's a guy who lost everything.

00:09:40.720 Um, and then there's a former Doctors Without Borders, um, person.

00:09:44.900 And she was here volunteering and the power goes out and all of our phones, emergency

00:09:52.260 phone, you know what that's like.

00:09:54.620 Everybody's phone goes off and it says evacuate one.

00:09:59.100 Most of the people that are in that room didn't know quite what to do, which was interesting.

00:10:02.700 I mean, and then the guy who lost his home, he's just, there's, there's tears because

00:10:09.120 what do you do on this Island?

00:10:11.460 There is no escape route.

00:10:12.860 Lahaina is the escape route.

00:10:15.660 You go through that street.

00:10:17.420 There is no medical team on this side.

00:10:20.120 There's no hospital on this side of the Island.

00:10:22.980 And I mean, you have to go 45 minutes if something were to happen.

00:10:27.260 And we've heard stories of some of the burn victims who ended up getting in those, the

00:10:32.120 two ambulances on this side of the Island.

00:10:33.860 And died on the, in the ambulance, trying to get to a hospital.

00:10:40.620 So, I mean, with, with what we're doing with Mercury One is incredible because within the

00:10:45.620 first 48 hours, we sent a tech team, one of our incredible partners, the name is ITDRC.

00:10:52.420 And they showed up with star links to provide internet for the community, because for three

00:10:58.040 or four days, most of these people had no way of communicating to the outside world that

00:11:03.580 we're still alive to their families and friends in the mainland.

00:11:07.040 And one, why was it a nonprofit that came in and provide internet and the government did

00:11:14.200 nothing?

00:11:14.680 They ended up providing internet for the government and the community, because they, they told

00:11:20.040 us the other day, we can cut the red tape.

00:11:22.280 We have no red tape, but the government has the red tape.

00:11:25.260 So that's where they come to us.

00:11:26.420 And, you know, we were one of the first ones, the Samaritan's Purse to send in a cargo plane

00:11:31.920 of supplies, food, water.

00:11:34.600 And right now this Island doesn't need the food and water.

00:11:37.020 What they need is the mental health.

00:11:38.080 There's already been about five or six suicides.

00:11:42.000 And that's just, when you lose everything.

00:11:46.420 Including your family.

00:11:48.420 Including your family.

00:11:50.980 And the, but the, the mental health side is something that we're going to be focused on.

00:11:55.420 And it, it, we spoke with a local restaurant owner the other day and he just, and again,

00:12:00.840 Glenn, you know, we, we brought cameras to help tell the story of what Mercury One and

00:12:05.120 our partners have been doing on the ground, what we're going to do.

00:12:07.320 Cause we're not here just for a small amount of time.

00:12:10.100 We're here for the long haul.

00:12:11.860 We don't just, I mean, when you started this, you said, we're going to the first ones in

00:12:15.320 last ones out.

00:12:16.480 That's what we do.

00:12:17.600 And so we, you know, I was talking with the restaurant and he just breaks down and, you

00:12:21.180 know, we didn't have the cameras with us and he said, you know, all these people

00:12:23.640 have been coming in with cameras.

00:12:24.700 They've just been coming in and just want to take our story.

00:12:27.160 And then we just leave again.

00:12:29.700 And they, we've had business guys.

00:12:31.120 This is what this guy said.

00:12:32.540 Businessmen come in with wads of cash, drop it on our table and say, I'll buy you out.

00:12:37.220 And I will, I will, you know, just buy it.

00:12:39.800 This guy has put up 20 of his staff in his restaurant.

00:12:43.620 He's been providing hundreds of meals a day to people.

00:12:47.440 I tried to offer some help and he said, I don't want help.

00:12:50.860 He goes, what I want is for you to help other people, you, you to help my, my neighbors.

00:12:56.120 And when we say a hundred percent goes, and that's usually what I would tell these people,

00:13:01.700 Hey, we're not your normal nonprofit.

00:13:03.360 We're not a prophet who takes overhead.

00:13:05.220 We, we, we want to give a hundred percent to this Island.

00:13:09.400 And that's, that's what we do.

00:13:10.940 That's the most powerful thing that, and they're shocked at it.

00:13:13.980 It's a, no, no, no.

00:13:14.780 We, I know you take overhead all this.

00:13:16.360 No, we don't.

00:13:17.780 But I think, you know, anyways, I'm, I know I'm telling so many different stories, but

00:13:22.420 this is, this is one for me personally, it's changed my life on what community looks like.

00:13:29.280 These people are exactly what community they're the definition of Ohana, which means family.

00:13:35.160 And that is community.

00:13:36.940 JP.

00:13:37.460 Thank you so much.

00:13:38.720 Mercury one executive director, uh, coming home today.

00:13:42.460 Um, but as he said, our, our people and all of the charities we support will be the last ones out.

00:13:50.980 Uh, so please, if you'd like to help us, uh, you, all you have to do is go to mercury one.org and donate to our disaster relief fund.

00:13:59.460 It's mercury one.org.

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00:14:09.280 Neil, welcome to the program.

00:14:10.880 I am a, a huge fan.

00:14:12.820 Your, your book, the, uh, fourth turning, uh, made a huge impact in my life.

00:14:19.940 Oh, thank you, Glenn.

00:14:21.640 It's great to be on your show.

00:14:22.920 Thank you.

00:14:23.860 Um, so the fourth turning is here.

00:14:26.820 I have been, uh, been reading, um, and I, uh, before we get to the fourth turning is here, can you explain the turnings if you will?

00:14:35.920 Yeah, this was, uh, something that Bill and I developed.

00:14:41.600 Actually, we did an earlier book back in 1991 called Generations.

00:14:45.560 And it was really looking at generations as the source of, uh, a historical change, meaning, you know, generations are shaped differently.

00:14:55.500 Uh, uh, you know, each generation is uniquely shaped by its childhood experiences.

00:15:01.100 And as it comes of age, right, it's experiences coming of age.

00:15:04.320 And then about 30 or 40 years later, as parents and leaders, they in turn shaped history, right?

00:15:11.100 Right.

00:15:11.420 And we, uh, generations is the first collective biography of America that anyone had ever written.

00:15:20.080 That is to say, retelling the entire story of America as a sequence of generational biographies, right?

00:15:25.560 In other words, following the same group of people throughout their entire life, and then starting with the next group of people.

00:15:32.680 And what we found was that generations are very different.

00:15:35.700 Uh, this has always been true.

00:15:36.780 It's not just, you know, Xers and Boomers or Millennials and Xers, uh, we're accustomed to today, or, or Boomers and their World War II parents, right?

00:15:46.200 Right.

00:15:46.420 Deep differences have been with us since the founding, since the 17th century.

00:15:52.940 And, and what, what occurred to us as we were writing that book is that this is the source of some of the, uh, uh, otherwise unexplainable regularities in the rhythms of American history.

00:16:07.520 I mean, for example, the fact that we have these enormous periods of civic creative destruction when the entire country goes through a, an upheaval of, of, you know, politics and economics, we really redefine what our republic is.

00:16:25.080 And this happens about the length of a long human life apart, right?

00:16:28.620 We had this period of, of, of revolution and rebellion in the late 17th century, um, uh, kind of coinciding with the glorious revolution.

00:16:38.540 And then about a lifetime later, we had the American revolution.

00:16:41.360 Then we had the civil war.

00:16:43.120 Then we had World War II and the great depression.

00:16:46.100 And here we are again, Glenn.

00:16:47.920 Uh, you know what I mean?

00:16:48.900 This is like the ticking of a talk, you know, or a clock.

00:16:52.700 And roughly halfway in between these upheavals in the outer world, when we redefine politics and economics and infrastructure and all that, we have these upheavals in the inner world, which very conveniently in American history, we, we number.

00:17:10.200 So we call them the first great awakening, the second great awakening and so forth.

00:17:14.200 And this struck us as having very interesting generational roots, generational continuity, right?

00:17:22.220 Because it's generations that come of age during an awakening that later in old age, usually take America into the next crisis. 0.89

00:17:31.440 Generations which, which, uh, you know, come of age during a crisis, usually preside over the next awakening later in life.

00:17:38.580 And, um, and, um, and this has been true since, uh, uh, you know, Ralph Waldo Emerson and, and, uh, and, and, uh, Walt Whitman, uh, a generation of prophets and religion founders and, and, and, and, you know, commune leaders and who attended the civil war.

00:17:57.000 And it, it was true for the generation born just after the civil war who, who took us really were the wise old men and women of the world war II era.

00:18:06.480 But it, it, it suggests a, um, a rhythm, uh, and that's what we wanted to write about.

00:18:13.540 Now, this rhythm has four phases.

00:18:16.800 It's kind of like seasons of the year.

00:18:19.760 If you look at the, uh, the spring season, this is the period in which, you know, institutions are strong, individualism is weak.

00:18:28.460 Uh, and this is the, what we, and recently in American history, we, we, we all recall the American high.

00:18:35.340 This was after world war II, right?

00:18:37.100 This was the presidencies of Truman and Eisenhower and John Kennedy.

00:18:41.680 Uh, society had a very definite idea of where it wanted to go collectively, but as individuals, we were very modest, right?

00:18:49.380 About what we wanted.

00:18:50.500 It was as, as William White wrote in the organization, man, people had a strong social ethic.

00:18:56.180 The duty of each individual is to fit in.

00:18:58.460 I mean, that's what you're supposed to do, right?

00:19:00.260 Each person had a job to do, uh, based on gender, based on, you know, your, your, your aptitude for different kind of profession.

00:19:08.400 And that was it.

00:19:09.340 You, you didn't have much aspirations beyond that.

00:19:12.120 We were modest individually, but the nation did incredible things collectively.

00:19:17.020 I mean, everything from interstate highways to launching the, the, uh, Apollo, uh, moon launch programming, you know, and, and, and we managed to, to, we managed to, uh, balance the budget every year, right?

00:19:30.240 While, while feeding the world and, um, presiding over that period of, of, of growing global order and prosperity.

00:19:38.020 The, the, the second turning was the awakening, and that was the period that many listeners probably remember, maybe as kids, this was the, you know, sixties, seventies, early eighties.

00:19:52.120 And this was a period when all of America wanted to throw off all that social obligation, all that conformity, all those rules.

00:19:59.500 And this started really with, um, started more on the left.

00:20:03.980 There's no question about that, mainly in the culture, uh, throwing off, uh, you know, patriarchy and, and military, uh, uh, uh, uh, conscription and all the rest.

00:20:14.440 And, and, and it ended, I think a little bit more on the conservative side, you know, throwing out regulations, cutting taxes and all the rest.

00:20:20.380 And, and so, but, but the one theme was we wanted to be a less ordered society.

00:20:26.760 We wanted individuals to kind of go more of their own way.

00:20:30.640 And, uh, the, the biggest nightmare for boomers at that time was the oppressive middle class, right? 0.86

00:20:37.880 Pleasant Valley Sunday, that was their worst nightmare.

00:20:40.980 And they talked to millennials today.

00:20:43.440 It's like middle class.

00:20:45.180 Sounds like a great idea.

00:20:46.400 Where do we sign up?

00:20:49.260 You see the difference, right?

00:20:51.280 And, and, and then you have the third turning, which is, uh, we call an unraveling.

00:20:57.640 And that's in many ways, the opposite of a high individualism is strong and flourishing institutions are weak and discredited.

00:21:04.660 And when we think of paradigmatic decades of, of, of an unraveling, we think of the, the roaring nineties and the 1990s.

00:21:14.980 We also think of the roaring twenties, uh, the 1850s and 1760s.

00:21:20.160 These were all decades of cynicism and bad manners, uh, acting out in the culture, disrespecting authority.

00:21:27.520 And in general, um, my, my kind of the, the, the, the key book of the 1990s to me was Francis Fukuyama.

00:21:39.040 You remember the end of history.

00:21:40.360 Yeah.

00:21:41.020 We were all, yeah, the government was going to fade away.

00:21:43.880 We would all be, uh, individuals living wherever in the world we wanted, I guess, you know, on our laptops and a Starbucks somewhere, just contracting with each other and, and enjoying infinite possibilities, right?

00:21:56.680 We wouldn't have families.

00:21:57.900 We wouldn't have roots.

00:21:58.980 We wouldn't have, right.

00:21:59.740 Right.

00:21:59.980 That was the image, right.

00:22:01.180 Of, of, of, of a, of a world of individuals, uh, that wouldn't need anything.

00:22:06.320 And so individualism totally triumphant, no institution or community left.

00:22:11.960 But history shows us that third turnings inevitably lead to fourth turnings.

00:22:18.640 And that's when, instead of wanting to, uh, rebel against order, society wants more order.

00:22:26.680 And that's what we're living into today.

00:22:28.800 And the, the cutting edge generation for the, the awakening was boomers, but the cutting edge generation now is millennials and they want a more ordered life.

00:22:38.240 I mean, you see it.

00:22:39.180 They, they want more community.

00:22:40.980 Their greatest fear is loneliness.

00:22:42.460 It's FOMO.

00:22:43.580 You know what I mean?

00:22:44.200 Yep.

00:22:44.860 Uh, and, and, uh, the way they invest is crowd investing.

00:22:48.780 I mean, they're all in these, uh, huge, you know, uh, everything ETFs, right?

00:22:53.840 So if the market goes up or down, they all go down, up and down together.

00:22:57.700 Um, and, and the entire world is being buffeted by this.

00:23:01.960 And we see this in these new populist movements around the world, often overtly authoritarian because people want authority back again.

00:23:10.760 It's as simple as that.

00:23:12.700 Um, and we've seen this before and we're seeing it again.

00:23:16.660 And so the purpose of, as you know, the purpose of my writing the book is to, is to take this up to date, to bring it up to today.

00:23:26.000 Right.

00:23:26.300 Right.

00:23:27.140 Um, and, uh, and to hypothesize a little bit on where we're going and what the schedule is and, you know, what we expect.

00:23:36.080 Okay.

00:23:36.520 So, um, you know, there's, there's three theories out there that I have kind of melded into one yours.

00:23:44.640 And I don't know if you've, uh, read, uh, Michael drew's work, uh, pendulum, how past generations shape our present and predict our future.

00:23:52.980 He describes it as a pendulum, uh, and describes much of what you, you guys worked out.

00:23:58.720 Um, but he, he shows it's an 80 year cycle.

00:24:01.820 You're showing it's an 80 year cycle.

00:24:03.640 And then the, the third theory that I've always found interesting is the contract of wave, which is also an 80 year cycle.

00:24:12.080 And, and it's all spring, uh, summer, the arrogance of summer.

00:24:17.620 It's never going to end into, uh, fall, you know, Hey, let's deny this, deny this, deny this.

00:24:24.560 Oh, it looks like everything is dying to winter.

00:24:26.720 And then the green shoots again of, of spring.

00:24:31.080 And we are, if I understand, we are now heading into winter, correct?

00:24:39.700 Yeah, we're, we're, we're, we're well into winter.

00:24:43.080 Well into winter.

00:24:44.140 Yeah.

00:24:44.680 I mean, we, we started, uh, I think we, we entered this area.

00:24:48.520 I mean, these are eras, these are generation long eras.

00:24:51.160 So these are, you know, 22 years or so.

00:24:54.040 Right.

00:24:54.300 And, and, and we entered it with 2008, the global financial crisis, when we saw so many things begin to change.

00:25:01.780 We saw democracies decline at the expense of authoritarian governments.

00:25:06.220 We saw global trade begin to decline as a share of global product.

00:25:10.540 I mean, in many ways, it was analogous to 1929, right?

00:25:14.980 Which is also a great global, you know, financial collapse.

00:25:18.320 Right.

00:25:19.120 So we've seen that, but we still have a ways to go.

00:25:23.660 Right.

00:25:23.780 And, you know, when Kondrachiev, who was, uh, uh, Stalin's economic advisor, when he was asked what's better capitalism, communism, he said, it's, it's seasonal.

00:25:34.860 And, uh, you look at things and, and capitalism is better because communism, when it starts to go cold into winter, the system props everything up.

00:25:44.620 And so the system falls apart in the end, it can't prop up life.

00:25:49.960 It's got to go in through these cycles.

00:25:52.180 Um, and we're doing that since 2008, we're propping everything up.

00:25:57.840 So it doesn't go into a hard freeze, but we've bastardized everything.

00:26:02.720 And I'm, I'm wondering, do they always have to end in like war?

00:26:09.820 Well, typically they have, um, you know, every, every total war in American history has occurred during a fourth turning.

00:26:18.520 And every fourth turning is at a total war.

00:26:21.160 It's a pretty close correspondence.

00:26:23.300 Since I, I would say it, it, you know, I, I don't like to be a pessimist.

00:26:27.980 So I like to say what it, what it precisely requires is not so much war.

00:26:32.900 What it requires is, um, collective mobilization, uh, on a mass scale.

00:26:40.300 And it's really hard to see how you do that other than sort of organized conflict.

00:26:44.900 But what happens typically is that as society begins to re-seek order, it begins to collectivize again.

00:26:52.800 Today we see in America, blue zone, red zone, right?

00:26:55.820 I mean, this new tribal mentality, this is what we saw during the 1930s.

00:27:01.300 Half of America thought that the 1930s was the red decade.

00:27:05.520 The other half thought it was the fascist decade.

00:27:08.080 You know what I'm talking about?

00:27:09.120 I mean, these are the people that said that, you know, Franklin, Stalin, Roosevelt, right?

00:27:13.540 Well, and, and, and we have the new movie Oppenheimer out.

00:27:17.680 So we, we, we now realize how many of the greatest generation as, as young men and women in the early twenties, we're, we're communists.

00:27:26.420 Right.

00:27:26.520 So one thing before we go on to where we're headed, it is interesting to me that America, uh, has had these turnings along with all of the West, uh, for instance, American revolution, the French revolution, uh, world war, uh, world war two was the same, uh, you know, same thing.

00:27:47.360 That was happening over at Germany was happening over here.

00:27:49.780 Uh, we had different results, but, um, there's the we generation and the me generation and these things generally happen.

00:28:00.060 Do they not in the we generation when we're all, we're all collective.

00:28:06.360 We generations are, are, are, are, are made, not born.

00:28:10.960 Right.

00:28:11.580 Yes.

00:28:12.160 I mean, and that, that's the important part.

00:28:14.880 Um, so how do we, how do we avoid what, uh, how do we avoid going in when we have a collective mindset going into something very un-American?

00:28:29.300 You know, this has been a struggle since the beginning, uh, every time, because America is by, by its culture and by its heritage, a individualist kind of, uh, right.

00:28:41.600 You know, society.

00:28:43.220 And war has been difficult for that reason.

00:28:48.260 It was difficult for the revolutionaries.

00:28:50.900 Um, you know, uh, George Washington, uh, implored, uh, again and again, you know, that, that, that Congress should then, that authorize him for this, for this great continental army.

00:29:01.100 He needed to, to fight the British. 0.93

00:29:03.080 And of course, there were a lot of foot draggers and people who didn't want to do that.

00:29:07.200 Uh, similarly in the Civil War, similarly in, in, in World War II, uh, it was, Roosevelt was very slow to be able to actually enact conscription.

00:29:17.240 Correct.

00:29:17.560 Uh, and, and, and we came very late to the table, uh, to the, the, the, the fight against fascism.

00:29:25.020 Um, um, and, and so it, it is a problem and, and forth turnings by their very nature of, of collective mobilization put democracy to the test.

00:29:37.520 Right.

00:29:38.020 But we're already seeing it today in America.

00:29:42.680 You're listening to the best of the Glenn Beck program.

00:29:46.320 Um, you know, I don't know how I feel about, uh, this story.

00:29:51.660 Israel TV's channel 12 news released an investigative report, uh, about the five red heifers that were just brought to the Jewish state last September.

00:30:04.120 Uh, and the supposed funneling of government funds to construct the third temple.

00:30:10.500 Now, for those of you who know how the story ends, this could be a very exciting time.

00:30:18.500 It could also be a very terrifying time.

00:30:22.400 Um, the, uh, last month, the journalist tweeted about an experiment conducted, uh, by Bar Ilan University, Professor, uh, Amar,

00:30:33.460 who attempted to determine how many people could be ritually purified by one red heifer.

00:30:39.140 Apparently one has enough to purify 660 billion, uh, people, which, you know, there's not that many.

00:30:46.480 So I don't know why they got the other three had ref red heifers.

00:30:50.080 Um, but apparently, uh, there's the reports now on Israeli TV claiming that there are plans and everything is in place to rebuild the third temple,

00:31:01.280 which means if I understand it correctly, that that building there on the Temple Mount now, it's got a gold dome.

00:31:11.060 I don't remember what it is exactly, would have to be deconstructed in some way or another.

00:31:17.100 I, I, I, I just, I just, not sure.

00:31:21.820 I think that's a big stumbling block.

00:31:23.960 Really?

00:31:24.300 You know what I mean?

00:31:24.700 Yeah.

00:31:25.080 Yeah.

00:31:25.560 I mean, I think it's one that's coming.

00:31:27.760 Uh, I don't know when, but, uh, you know, you could be prepared, but.

00:31:31.840 You know, it's like, uh, I'm going to marry, I'm going to marry a Stu's wife someday.

00:31:37.420 I've already got the tuxedo.

00:31:39.000 I've, I've got everything ready.

00:31:40.680 I mean, except you haven't really talked to Lisa about it yet.

00:31:45.220 She's still married to Stu and happily married.

00:31:48.360 Yeah.

00:31:49.320 Yeah.

00:31:51.420 Let's not go crazy for the analogy here.

00:31:53.860 You know, you exaggerate things for the audience, but I know, I know what you mean.

00:31:57.400 Yeah.

00:31:57.640 I know what you're trying to say there.

00:31:58.900 I will say that having the extra three heifers, it's good to be prepared.

00:32:02.560 It is.

00:32:03.080 You know, it is.

00:32:03.800 It's always good to have a little bit extra.

00:32:05.880 I'd like to see the number of how many purifications it can perform a little bit farther away from

00:32:12.300 six 60, you know, just a little bit farther away.

00:32:16.880 I mean, is that an act?

00:32:17.960 It could it be maybe six more?

00:32:22.500 I mean, I prefer six less, but I'm just, uh, I'm just saying, just saying.

00:32:30.320 So, uh, Joe Biden, uh, is now talking about everybody getting the new COVID-19 vaccine.

00:32:39.160 Uh, and he's requested more funding from Congress.

00:32:41.800 How is this a story?

00:32:43.100 How is it happening?

00:32:44.140 I don't understand.

00:32:45.020 Like what we have this system in the United States.

00:32:47.860 This is my understanding of the system.

00:32:49.340 You tell me where I have it wrong.

00:32:50.600 Cause I definitely have it wrong.

00:32:52.020 Yeah, I do.

00:32:52.980 Like there are things.

00:32:56.180 The federal government.

00:32:57.840 That's how you get it.

00:32:58.720 That's how you got it.

00:32:59.500 There are things that happen in, in life, right?

00:33:02.960 They're called illnesses, disease, ailments, all sorts of things.

00:33:07.520 And companies make things that they believe will, uh, help alleviate the symptoms, cure them,

00:33:15.440 make all sorts of medicines for all sorts of things.

00:33:18.300 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:33:19.200 And I understand that they release them.

00:33:22.520 You go and buy them.

00:33:23.500 You get prescribed these medications.

00:33:25.000 You decide you make the choice as to what you want to do with them, right?

00:33:28.640 That's how it's, that's how it's always worked.

00:33:30.660 Right.

00:33:30.820 Now I understand that a pandemic and what we dealt with COVID was a little bit different

00:33:35.360 than that.

00:33:35.860 And there was a sort of a rush to, Hey, we, the government needs to pay for this.

00:33:40.440 Uh, because you know, we all like, it's an emergency and blah, blah, blah.

00:33:44.480 Okay.

00:33:44.840 All right.

00:33:45.260 We were there.

00:33:46.240 We kind of remember that going on, but like it's 2023 now.

00:33:51.260 Yeah.

00:33:51.920 Why would, why would Joe Biden have anything to do with them releasing a new vaccine?

00:33:57.740 Why?

00:33:58.020 If they want to release a new vaccine.

00:33:59.520 Wait a minute.

00:33:59.820 Wait a minute.

00:34:00.260 You're saying, if I may paraphrase Glenn, where is the pharmaceutical arm of the government

00:34:08.040 in the constitution?

00:34:09.440 Yeah.

00:34:09.760 Is that what you're saying?

00:34:10.780 Where is that?

00:34:11.260 Yeah.

00:34:11.440 Because like if Pfizer or Moderna or Johnson and Johnson or any company wants to make a

00:34:19.440 COVID vaccine and put it on the market and go for it, let people decide whether they want

00:34:24.220 to take it or not.

00:34:25.420 That's a process.

00:34:26.460 I understand the process.

00:34:27.900 I don't understand is how we now infinitely pay for all of these vaccines.

00:34:34.460 Like I, why, why are we, why, why, like, but why come to me as a child.

00:34:41.540 And a child always asks why.

00:34:43.840 Yeah.

00:34:44.560 Yeah.

00:34:45.440 Well, Dr.

00:34:46.140 And I'm going to butcher the name.

00:34:47.560 Dr.

00:34:48.020 Jay Bhattacharya.

00:34:49.640 Bhattacharya.

00:34:50.420 We've had him on the show, haven't we?

00:34:51.820 I think we have.

00:34:52.580 You probably butchered his name when he was on the show.

00:34:54.040 Sure.

00:34:54.220 I did.

00:34:55.160 He's a professor of medicine at Stanford.

00:34:57.300 One of the coauthors of the great Barrington declaration.

00:35:01.440 He said the president's comments that all Americans will likely be advised to get a new

00:35:08.220 COVID vaccine as new variants spread is quote.

00:35:12.100 Irresponsible.

00:35:13.160 He said the president said, I signed off this morning on a proposal.

00:35:19.040 We have to present to Congress a request for additional funding.

00:35:21.740 Again, why?

00:35:22.840 Why?

00:35:23.360 Why?

00:35:23.760 We don't need any more funding.

00:35:24.920 Tentatively not decided.

00:35:26.200 Finally, yet tentatively, it is recommended and it would likely be recommended that everybody

00:35:30.980 get it no matter whether they got it before the good doctor said, you know, it's never

00:35:39.140 occurred to me that an American president would be the number one spokesperson for a

00:35:43.380 pharmaceutical company.

00:35:44.400 But here we are.

00:35:46.120 It's irresponsible to make this kind of public health advice for the entire American public

00:35:51.320 in the absence of excellent random randomized trial evidence.

00:35:56.380 We don't even have.

00:35:57.580 Which is done with this vaccine.

00:35:59.340 Yeah.

00:35:59.540 No.

00:35:59.780 Let alone have it tested.

00:36:01.380 Like, I don't even think they're done with it yet.

00:36:03.440 Yeah.

00:36:03.840 I think they just are getting to the point where they're, you know, like, putting it into

00:36:08.180 these tests.

00:36:09.020 Again, that's the problem that I pointed out on Friday's program when I played the commercial

00:36:15.660 for Ozempic, the very long series of disclaimers associated.

00:36:20.220 Yeah, which it was 50 seconds of disclaimer.

00:36:24.840 Of the one minute commercial.

00:36:25.640 Five zero.

00:36:26.120 Yeah.

00:36:26.440 Five zero.

00:36:27.060 50 seconds.

00:36:28.900 Oh, Ozempic could cause death.

00:36:32.780 Right.

00:36:33.120 I mean, that's really pretty much what it is.

00:36:35.140 Despite the fact that these studies, what they're talking about are incredibly rare side

00:36:39.940 effects that affect almost no one who actually takes the medication, but they still have to

00:36:43.680 jam it into every commercial they do for the product.

00:36:45.940 Correct.

00:36:46.800 Because the federal government requires it.

00:36:51.120 This one doesn't even need a study.

00:36:53.080 They don't.

00:36:53.300 Yeah.

00:36:53.520 We're like, we're fine.

00:36:54.940 You're going to be fine. 1.00

00:36:55.840 Shut up. 1.00

00:36:56.540 Stop your belly aching or I'll give you something to belly ache about. 1.00

00:36:59.880 That's what the government has become.

00:37:01.580 It's such a weird, like, it doesn't make any sense.

00:37:04.780 It doesn't make any sense.

00:37:05.960 And, you know, you want to, like, luckily, I think we're in a, at a place at this point

00:37:10.960 where we can do with the government's advice what we do with all of their other advice

00:37:16.000 when it comes to what we put in our body.

00:37:17.680 Ignore it completely.

00:37:19.240 Like, when's the last time you looked at the food pyramid?

00:37:21.840 I think they even changed it a few years ago under Obama, didn't they?

00:37:24.520 There's something else.

00:37:25.300 I don't know.

00:37:25.700 I don't care.

00:37:26.300 They can recommend whatever they want.

00:37:28.700 That is not, you know, at least it's not them saying they're going to mandate it or

00:37:33.320 anything like that.

00:37:33.940 But even the recommendation is sort of silly at this point.

00:37:36.580 Like, I don't know, if you happen to be in a certain circumstance and you're like,

00:37:41.280 you know what, this seems like it's the right thing for me, then you do it.

00:37:44.200 You do it.

00:37:45.160 Joe doesn't do it for you.

00:37:46.740 Yeah.

00:37:47.820 Cut down on the prime of his life.

00:37:51.060 Bob Barker.

00:37:52.040 We lost him from The Price is Right.

00:37:53.840 You could have broken that to us a little bit easier.

00:37:55.800 Hey, Bob Barker's up on the roof.

00:37:58.600 What?

00:37:59.300 I don't know.

00:37:59.660 Why is he on a roof?

00:38:01.020 Why would he be?

00:38:02.920 Why?

00:38:03.460 Why are we?

00:38:04.200 You don't know that joke.

00:38:05.260 Bob Barker passed away.

00:38:07.900 99 years old.

00:38:09.140 Yes.

00:38:09.660 Complete shock.

00:38:11.660 So sometime, you know, shortly after he heard, Bob Barker, come on down.

00:38:19.820 What is happening?

00:38:22.160 Did we just insert a segment from a different show?

00:38:24.900 What is going on?

00:38:25.880 Also, also, we lost Joe the plumber this weekend.

00:38:35.940 That was really sad.

00:38:37.120 Really sad.

00:38:37.600 Now, Bob lived a very full life.

00:38:39.100 Sure did.

00:38:39.560 He was 99 years old.

00:38:40.620 Yeah.

00:38:41.740 But Joe, I mean, what a terrible thing.

00:38:44.460 I mean, he was what?

00:38:44.920 Only 49 years old.

00:38:46.160 Yeah, 49.

00:38:47.100 This audience, by the way, made a huge difference in the last days of his life.

00:38:49.980 So I got, in fact, do I have that email?

00:38:53.340 I got a couple of emails after it happened.

00:38:58.580 And they wanted me to honor you and tell you.

00:39:05.040 I don't have it.

00:39:06.120 But tell you that when he was on the show a month ago?

00:39:12.700 Wasn't that long ago.

00:39:13.660 Yeah.

00:39:14.360 He was on the program.

00:39:15.920 We talked to him.

00:39:17.260 And, you know, he said he was worried about his family stability.

00:39:21.460 And, you know, he's 49 years old.

00:39:23.980 And so we asked you to give.

00:39:27.120 And you gave a lot.

00:39:29.340 And his family reached out and wanted you to know how much of a difference that you made in his last few weeks of life.

00:39:40.300 Man, am I understanding what he was able to move back closer to his extended family with?

00:39:46.660 And the, yeah.

00:39:47.900 And the, it just, he had a good few weeks.

00:39:52.860 Man, geez.

00:39:53.640 I mean, you know, his story is such an American story, right?

00:39:57.120 Like, you think about other countries with kings and queens.

00:40:01.020 There's not, like, a story where one guy has a conversation with the king as they're walking down the street.

00:40:08.280 And changes the dynamic, you know, and changes the conversation in the entire country.

00:40:13.200 He was able to do that.

00:40:14.920 And then, once again, at the end of his life, like, there's very few countries where I think that would happen.

00:40:20.640 And where a person who's very sick, you know, has so many people who don't know him reach out and change the last few days of his life.

00:40:28.100 I mean, you know, it's this really sad story, but has a lot of, there's something to take from it as well.

00:40:35.480 By the way, those stories do happen in other countries.

00:40:39.720 They usually end in beheadings.

00:40:41.400 Okay. 0.73

00:40:41.800 I mean, a lot of people that they don't know reach out and behead them.

00:40:46.800 And it usually comes after walking down the street with the king saying, you know what?

00:40:51.760 You know what your problem is?

00:40:53.800 Na, na, na, na.

The Glenn Beck Program - August 28, 2023

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