Part 2 of our special on the Ukraine special with Todd McMurtry on the case that reopened the Sandman case, Al Sharpton's take on the Al Qaeda terrorist attack on the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi, and more.
00:00:15.340Is there any interest in tracking down $7 billion or finding out if, you know, our people are in collusion with another government to throw democracy?
00:00:24.920And is anybody in the media, do they really understand that democracy does die in darkness?
00:00:31.080Because we know the Washington Post doesn't. We have a special tonight on this.
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00:00:58.400We also have, I mean, speaking of democracy dying in the darkness and the Washington Post, we have Todd McMurtry on.
00:01:06.180He's the guy who has just argued the case that reopened the trial for Nick Sandman.
00:01:14.460Nick Sandman is the guy, he's the kid that was, you know, there on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial with the Native American, what's his name, so-and-so Phillips, that was beating the drum in his face.
00:03:00.180In the same area of the world where Al Baghdadi was, where Al Baghdadi, where Al Baghabones, Al was bagging groceries, Al was bagging Beyonce.
00:03:18.600And let me ask you, why was Traffic Problems email sent to Bagabones?
00:11:10.020And for you to be standing is remarkable.
00:11:15.020I mean, I honestly feel like I should do you a favor and never talk about you on the air.
00:11:20.140Because I'm bringing attention to you.
00:11:23.240I know it's, I mean, I kind of feel bad because I know there's somebody out there going, oh, oh, he's still saying these things, that damn white guy.
00:26:05.200So why did the judge throw this away, throw this out in the first place in July?
00:26:11.400The judge's initial ruling on the case suggested that he said that everything that the Washington Post had published was basically an opinion or not related to Nick Sandman.
00:26:27.340And so when there were statements like the students were mocking, he said that's not related to Nick Sandman.
00:26:34.560When Nathan Phillips, when the Post reported that Nathan Phillips said I was blocked and they prevented me from retreating, the judge said that that was an opinion.
00:26:44.080And so what we did, and my co-counsel in this case is Lynn Wood out of Atlanta.
00:26:48.920Lynn and I looked at this and we said that there was some opportunity here to provide some additional information that might change the judge's thinking.
00:26:59.300We provided some additional video which showed more fully what happened.
00:27:02.660We provided statements about Nathan Phillips being basically a professional protester and a provocateur, and we said that the Washington Post should not have taken his statements at face value, that he was an unreliable person, and that they negligently republished a false factual narrative.
00:27:24.100The court's order came out just the other day, and we're off to a conference on December 3rd to push the case ahead.
00:27:32.660Well, how can somebody say that, well, he wasn't talking about Nick Sandman when he became the face of it?
00:27:40.420For instance, if I say, you know, the brave protesters in Tiananmen Square, I don't mean just the guy who stood in front of the tank, but he's the guy we all think of.
00:28:00.240The civil rights movement wasn't only Martin Luther King, but Martin Luther King was the image that we saw all the time.
00:28:07.960So how can this not be defamation of him?
00:28:12.100Well, it is defamation, and the court, with regard to some of those statements, is going to allow us to proceed.
00:28:20.920With regard to the others, we don't agree with the court's ruling in every aspect, and that's why the judge struck some of those statements.
00:28:28.620So that's an issue we'll have to address later.
00:28:31.760I think there's good law that says that you're right and I'm right.
00:28:34.900But right now, we're just happy to be proceeding with the case.
00:28:38.400Does it help, Todd, that the – well, I don't know about the Washington Post, but other outlets, I know, even after they found out who Phillips was, they dismissed all of that and still tried to make Nick look like the bad kid?
00:28:56.400It does help with the other cases because the same analysis would apply, and we went into the other lawsuits and amended those to make them similar to the Washington Post case, which the judge is now not dismissed.
00:29:10.240And so we would expect that we'll get the same result, but we'll see.
00:29:13.320And you're right, I mean, plenty of other news outlets – I mean, the Washington Post has issued an editor's note on some of their reporting, but CNN and NBC have never retracted, so we have seen that problem as well.
00:29:56.980We're all investing an enormous amount of time and effort into this case, and we wouldn't do that if we didn't feel that we had a legitimate, strong case.
00:30:04.340I think that the case, when it's ultimately presented to a jury, is going to be very persuasive, even with the limitations that the court has placed on some of our allegations.
00:30:14.440And with regard to the effect that this case could have, well, it could protect people like Nicholas Sandman, who are private figures from being attacked and ravaged by the media in the way that he was by basically sending out a strong warning that if you're going to attack minors or private individuals
00:30:32.780and use them as a tool in a debate or a culture war, an attack on a president, whatever it may be, that you better think twice.
00:30:41.920So we certainly would hope that we can generate change in the process of bringing these lawsuits.
00:30:47.500What's Nick's life been like since this?
00:30:49.740Well, Nick was 16 and a junior in high school when this happened.
00:30:57.160He's now 17, and he's a senior in high school.
00:31:00.760I mean, his time at school is going well, but there's no doubt that there have been, you know, many things that have happened to him over the past 10 months or so that have been very negative.
00:31:11.760And there's no doubt that when a person like Nick Sandman goes out in public, people know who he is.
00:31:17.020Everywhere I've been with him, people know who he is.
00:31:19.800And so he's, you know, constantly concerned about running into the wrong person out there.
00:31:28.280What is his college admittance going to be like?
00:31:31.300What is his life on a college campus in today's world going to be like?
00:31:34.920Well, my son's a little bit older than Nick, and he, two years ago, had a plate of french fries thrown on him for wearing a Make America Great Again hat at his college.
00:31:47.440I would think that college life for a person with that reputation is going to be a challenge.
00:31:54.080As for college admissions, we don't know.
00:33:51.820People who do really good stuff have flaws.
00:33:56.400Like if I tweet or hashtag about how you didn't do something right or use the word wrong verb or then I can sit back and feel pretty good about myself because, man, you see how woke I was?
00:35:03.880I can't explain what's happening in your head.
00:35:06.280But maybe if I show up every day as a human, a good human, doing wonderful things, loving my family, loving your kids, taking care of things that I care about, maybe, just maybe, that work will pick away at the scabs of your discrimination.
00:35:38.720I can't explain what's happening in your head.
00:35:40.540But maybe if I show up every day as a human, a good human, doing good things, loving your kids, well, maybe, just maybe, that will work to pick away at the scabs of your discrimination.
00:35:58.980I, you know, I can't, I can't make people not afraid of black people.
00:36:03.460Well, yeah, you can, you can, you can help, you can help by not attacking all white people, by not saying that all white people are bad, by not saying, and, and, and being more like your husband was saying, but not necessarily doing.
00:36:21.960But like your husband said, you know, every time you make a mistake, it doesn't mean you're a bad person.
00:37:41.260It's just X number of months later, nothing's changed.
00:37:44.260You know, I have my reservations about the people running and the way they're campaigning and the promises they're making that they can't fulfill and their unwillingness to really admit what they, what is possible and what isn't.
00:38:01.240And their inconsistency from day to day and location to location.
00:38:06.700This is not the ways to run a railroad.
00:38:45.900He's a recruiting sergeant for ISIS, Chris, in so many ways.
00:38:49.000Tony mentioned the whole oil argument, which has obviously been a narrative for a long time.
00:38:52.820He also is someone who is an Islamophobe, which obviously helps groups like ISIS recruit disillusioned, angry young men from across the world, not just from across the Middle East.
00:39:00.640He's been featured in ISIS recruiting videos, and his Muslim ban has definitely been a recruiting ad for ISIS.
00:39:07.320So in many ways, he helps, quote, unquote, the enemy.
00:39:11.520Now, how is it that it is our presence in the Middle East that is the recruiting arm of ISIS?
00:39:21.560Our presence there makes them want to go fight us.
00:39:26.780So here you have a president who just doesn't just say, I'm going to get out of the Middle East, actually has been shutting things down actively.
00:42:01.900I mean, they didn't say anything about Barack Obama literally, verifiably, going upstairs and playing cards with an intern because he couldn't watch what was going on when they were killing Osama bin Laden.
00:42:17.280He would come down from time to time and then he'd be like, oh, I can't watch this.
00:42:21.020And so he would go upstairs and play cards.