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Kamala Harris is a presidential hopeful. She is running for the White House in 2020, and she has a lot to fight for. She is a former prosecutor, a former state attorney general, and a former congresswoman. She s running for president and she s running against Donald Trump. But is she a presidential candidate because of her affair with a political power structure member? Or because she s a woman who was in love with a powerful political figure?
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up i want to play uh some audio here of kamala harris uh where she she said we are better than
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this this is her first 2020 rally 20 000 people showed up for her rally here's kamala harris
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who are here at this moment in time because we must answer a fundamental question who are we
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who are we as americans so let's answer that question to the world and each other right here
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20 000 people showing up uh she is going to be a real contender i think she is a uh danger because
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she is um not only is she very very very very left but she also um is is is not somebody who looks
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like i am spartacus she seems genuine now games are part of the overall strategy willie brown came
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out he was former san francisco mayor willie brown known for his you know outlandish outfits and his
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extramarital relations he penned a letter now for the san francisco chronicle and what was the title
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sure i dated kamala harris so what oh boy well for one you were married at the time uh willie
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but even if we look beyond that uh it is clear that harris would not be where she is today a
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presidential hopeful without dating a politically powerful man brown wrote i have been peppered with
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calls from the national media about my relationship with kamala harris particularly since it became obvious
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that she was going to run for president most of them i have not returned yes we dated it was more
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than 20 years ago in a 2003 interview harris said of brown his career is over i will be alive and kicking
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for the next 40 years i don't owe him a thing she said in the san francisco weekly uh if there is corruption
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it will be prosecuted so we're now playing a game between these two i think brown thought very
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highly of harris um he gave her a brand new bmw i mean that doesn't happen all the time no one's
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ever given me a bmw right well you don't run in these circles stew you know politicians they've got
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money coming out their wazoo and you know when you're a politician you clearly can buy people
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bmws and give them his gifts oh yeah that's that's what government works all about glenn he said yes i may
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have influenced her career this is in the letter i may have influenced her career by appointing her
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to two state commissions when i was an assembly speaker and i certainly helped her uh in her first
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race for district attorney in san francisco i also helped in the careers of nancy pelosi and gavin
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newsom and diane feinstein stein and a host of other politicians the difference is that harris is the
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only one who after i helped her sent word that i would be indicted if i so much as jaywalked while
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she was da that's politics for you so as much as as much as people think this is bad i actually think
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this is good i think it's good for this reason you want your skeletons out of the closet
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you want them out really early um and so what did he do he said yeah i had an affair now everybody if
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you kept that quiet and you kept trying to push that down uh then it's a problem here's kamala harris
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staying out of it she's doing a big 20 000 person uh event at the same time an old lover
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an old mentor a guy who was in the power structure above her think of think of this
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how could she be part of a women's movement when this guy helped her well
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hmm what did he just say i helped a lot of people but she was the only one that said if i jaywalk
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she'd indict me so she takes no prisoners even somebody she was having an affair with and he was
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giving her cars it gets the secret out it will be a day story if that and she looks tough i think
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this works well for her it probably does i mean the story i mean they it was somewhat public at the
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time that she was having an affair but it's been long you know it's long forgotten history and it's
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kind of being dredged up he was 20 he was 60 and she was 30 at the time one of the dynamic yeah
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why is that's one of the the me too thing is an interesting angle on this that you bring up
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because we've talked we talked to a couple people back when the me too thing was was kind of at its
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peak and women who were saying you know yes it's completely wrong if a man demands sexual favors and
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tries to and threatens to uh ruin her career if she says no similarly if a woman is using her
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sexuality to gain advantages which by the way does occasionally occur or not even sexuality
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tempting flirting you know dressing in a particular way to try to get an advantage
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then that should be something that women are willing to stand up and say yeah we should stop
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doing this as well now you know there's no evidence per se that this was a kamala harris plan
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to get her career escalated but it's hard to imagine that she you know i mean as he points out he
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helped her and they were dating right so there was a an advantage she received at some level because
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of a relationship like that and it's it's an interesting dynamic to push against this whole me too
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thing we would we would say here right that the current narrative is if a man is even even shows
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mild interest and in an underling in this sort of way he should be thrown out of society
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and now as one of the people in the relationship is admitting this basically helped her escalate
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her career so how do we look at that or should we look back at should we dissolve that relationship
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in our minds and give her no advantage for that whatsoever or should we admit basically what
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they're admitting it's it's a tough line for someone who's trying to walk the me too and i'm a
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self-empowered woman of all yeah i'm not sure how you're supposed to walk that line with if you're
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that here's how i walk that line i don't care i don't care i mean i care about the adultery just
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as much as i care about the adultery with this president and the other president um but i don't really
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care i don't care that whoa what a surprise wait uh somebody might be giving special favors and
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bmws um to an underling that he wants to have a relationship with what a surprise yeah that sucks
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in politics what a surprise um what a surprise that a woman might want to have a relationship
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with somebody who can help uh her career what a surprise what a surprise if neither of those
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happened and they were actually deeply madly in love with each other and they were just having sex
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and it just happened to work out that she was the best person for the jobs that you know the city
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would try to it doesn't matter right you you however are not a democratic primary voter for
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example another part of this is kamala harris is a uh prosecutor right and she was known as you kind
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of saw with the i'll indict you if you jaywalk type of thing she was known as being a relatively for
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at least for california a tough prosecutor put a lot of people uh you know held them accountable for
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their actions as they would say well you'll notice that that's not exactly a popular position in the
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democratic party especially in the primary i mean when you put criminals behind bars they protest i
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mean they're they'll run can't campaigns to try to free people who killed fbi agents like this is not
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a crew that's like looking for extra prison time and this is one of the things she's going to be
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it's a challenge for her in the democratic party because she's put prisoners behind bars and the
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democrats don't tend to like that all that much however it's a benefit for her in a general because
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people who are not won over by her socialism see oh at least she's tough on crime and it's that's one
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of the arguments for her in the general and that is the biggest thing how will she do in the general
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i don't think democrats democrats not the diehards democrats won't care they just want someone to beat
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donald trump you have to remember that the left views donald trump the way the right viewed hillary
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clinton you can't believe she's still around you can't believe she's not gotten caught for all those
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murders that the clintons did right okay so every crazy thing you ever heard about hillary and all the
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crazy things you heard about hillary that were true and false it's the same thing so they're motivated
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they will pick anyone that they think can win in the general election to stop trump and so i don't think
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they'll care about uh her being tough on crime because they will know in the general election
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that will help her she's i think she is a very dangerous candidate uh for donald trump and we'll
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get in more to that here in uh just a second and the shutdown we'll get to that uh it's over so what
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happened and what should we do the best of the glenn beck program
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let me go to uh the phones and just get a read real quick i want to take a lot of people as fast
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as i possibly can just to get a temperature read uh from the audience on how you feel about the
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government shutdown and reopening is it good was it bad uh your thoughts from jesse in california first
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jesse go ahead yes what yes win or loss loss uh i wish he would have stayed i wish he would have
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stayed fast when he started and uh push comes to shove if after another three weeks of the shutdown if
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he would have went to a uh state of emergency i would have been okay with that okay let me go to uh
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eric in south carolina eric what are your thoughts uh overall i guess a loss on just the whole thing
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but i feel like reopening it was a more presidential and more mature uh to do when you're facing off
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with these democrats who will not negotiate all right mike um in california go ahead
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yeah hi glenn this is mike in california yes yes sir listen i i'm i'm kind of torn first of all
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trump makes people show their cards the democrats they're democratic jeez i'm sorry that's okay
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relax are you there oh oh he got frustrated um anthony he just gave up on talking in there
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that was interesting or he may have thought he lost us anthony go ahead hey glenn yeah i think
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it's a short-term loss however trump's three steps ahead of all these professional politicians and this
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is a a long game for him and three weeks from now i think he's going to offer something different
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spin this around and throw it back in their faces and i think it becomes a win eventually for
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him he's always been for three years ahead of these guys all right uh greg in vermont yes well i think
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that uh trump actually won uh big time with this by showing that the dems won't negotiate and that
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they are actually for uh all the uh criminals coming in and the drugs coming in on the south southern
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border thank you greg i wonder if it's been seen that way because of the mainstream media however
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uh jeremy because i see it that way uh jeremy mr beck yes yes mr beck yes sir um i would have to say
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it was a loss for everybody i mean if you're a mid-range on the fence or if you're a trump supporter
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i mean i think that you know everybody was just deflated by that you know you you're a worker you do
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these things and you know they keep giving this stuff out and they don't want to do anything to fix it
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i think that all americans are frustrated they don't believe that government works that it's more of
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just all hollywood you know it's all politics it's not really real and trump folden i kind of
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think just solidified that for a lot of americans that voted for him or were on the fence if they
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were you know democrats vice versa you know yep i think you're right jeremy i think we all lost
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democrats and republicans on this and we lost even more faith in our government that anybody is
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serious about anything other than the next election
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hi it's glenn if you're a subscriber to the podcast can you do us a favor and rate us on
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itunes thanks patricia adamas has a uh has a has a son david he suffered a stroke on new year's eve
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he was transported to uh the emergency department uh this is a guy who was just wildly alive
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uh he was taken to icu and uh he became comatose 13 days later they say he's brain dead he's
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unresponsive and we're going to cut off all of his food and uh his water and his breathing tube
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uh i have wrestled with this for a very long time starting with terry schivo
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and uh this is wrong to do to people and we must not go down this road patricia adamas the mother
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is on the phone with us now she's going in in just a few minutes to meet with the hospital
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and get an update and plead the case to please don't kill her son and i so appreciate her being
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on the phone with us now patricia how are you i'm really it's very difficult time um patricia tell us
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they they didn't really consult with you guys did they um when they started to just cut off his food
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and water that's correct they did not tell me what tell me what happened um at that time and
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is he responsive at all because i understand he when you're talking to him when family members talk to
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him he is moving yeah so it was a surprise initially the first question it was a surprise we weren't
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informed that they were going to stop food everything was done you know and a discovery of
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well surprise there's no hydration there's no you know we're not going to continue so it was um
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a surprise and shock surprise and shock which was very difficult let alone to deal with everything
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that was happening in the hospital and i'm sorry forgive me what was your second question
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um that it was a surprise and and also is is he risk is he responsive he is very very emaciated
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hydrated very weak and frail his bones are protruding from the skin so he's not as responsive um yesterday
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and today it's very delayed but yes he did respond when we talked i would tell him you know sweetheart
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are you hungry would you like to come to the table to eat he'd lift this foot my mother would walk in
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and say hi sweetheart it's grandma you know and he would immediately lift this you know his foot
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and he tries so hard um just uh wednesday at eight o'clock a friend of his went in and said hey david
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you know and he just was shaking his foot it was different than the lifting it was he was literally
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shaking his foot and he lifted it and was shaking it and um that's the last of the um you know that
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type of energy now his responses are very faint very faint and very concerned because he's severely
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dehydrated i've seen the pictures of him just three four weeks ago and the picture of him today
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he's not the same man it's it's um i mean he's a he looks like he is you know as he is starving to death
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um uh what are you patricia what are you asking the hospital today and why won't they
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well i have guardianship in the federal court of law we're native american but what i'm asking today
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and being very adamant in asking in continuum is for my son to um can to be provided uh intravenous
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hydrate intravenous hydration and then at some point nutrition and then the thyroid that is very
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essential to his um stability and um recovery you know because the idea is the hospital's intent
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or alleged or stated intent is to help us transfer him to receive continued services which would be
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new jersey or some other place that would take him and but you don't do that intentionally and not
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provide the vital sustenance to get him there so it's it's not so it's almost a default it's not
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it's not very humane and i don't understand it what else the other thing i'm asking for is to be
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properly informed you know to be given the dignity and the respect without that you know we're going
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to remove the ventilator at any minute and you know things like that like we're going to take this is
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the last thing he has sustaining and we're going to take that you know it's not it's not humane to live
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or to feel that there is the spirit of recovery or any sense of stability for my son or the underlying
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intent that is not in alignment with the um the alleged care of the hospital so we're asking that um
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that immediately the hydration and the nutrition continue that my son be allowed dignity respect
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and the care and to be sustained until you know the the statements of the hospital to transfer him
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to a long-term care facility and this is to allow me this is informed this is saint joseph's hospital
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so this is a catholic hospital you would think that life would be paramount to them um and he could
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have been transferred but now he is so weak from starving him to death that um the the idea of
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transferring him to a place for uh you know longer care um is uh is probably not an option today
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patricia i know you uh need to get to the hospital and and we're praying for your son and i have bobby
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schindler on the phone thank you and and and godspeed and we'll check in again to find out what's
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happening um we're going to go to bobby schindler who is terry schivo's brother and bobby and i became
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friends if you're new to the show um over his sister i was on the wrong side of it for a while
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uh and then i didn't do the easy thing i did the hard thing and i actually thought about it prayed
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about it read about it and uh did soul searching and we do not in human in human society since when
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do we consider uh food an extraordinary measure we we feed our babies we give water to our babies we give
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water to our dogs you go to jail if you don't give water to your dog you go to jail if you leave your dog in a
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hot car what are we doing to people and this is a bright line that we must all draw and bobby and i will
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bobby schindler president of terry schivo life and hope network uh one of the great american heroes
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of our time he and his family and what they have done because of his sister terry schivo
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um i talked to uh bobby yesterday we exchanged emails he was on his way to arizona and i had just
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heard about it uh and so we connected and um bobby what do we need to do how can we help
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well grant i i gotta tell you it seems to me we've become desensitized to what's going on in this
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hospital i went to visit david and when i saw him i had saw videos of him on a facebook post that
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patricia had produced and it is it is gut-wrenching to see this young man uh who really hasn't given an
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opportunity to see if in fact he is able to recover uh to see him starving and dehydrating
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to death like this it just brought back terrible memories and also the fact glenn this is happening
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every single day it has countless health care facilities in our country and where is the outrage
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where are people supporting this woman's efforts to try and stop this from happening i i don't
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understand the mindset uh or the mentality of why the hospital is not giving this young man the
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opportunity for treat to respond to treatment what is the rush i mean we're fighting for time here
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glenn that that we're not doctors i don't know his long-term prognosis but but to cut off treatment in
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such a short period of time to me is just um it's terrible bobby he has two young he has two young
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daughters and uh if you see the pictures of him three weeks ago he was a vibrant guy um you know he was
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i mean the pictures i've seen of him he was alive and fit and uh and then three weeks later he looks like
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he's he's in ethiopia um and one of the starving victims and he is except it's in an american hospital
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what does i i go ahead i'm sorry no no i i just urge people to go to to uh facebook we can you can go to
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our life and hope network terry shovel life and hope network facebook page and watch the videos
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that patricia's making of her of her son and to see his condition um the the brain the brain is very
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complex glenn we have stories after stories of people that just need time for the brain to recover
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but when you when you cut off his nourishment and his hydration from within days of his initial
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accident uh you're doing exactly what the brain doesn't need his brain and he's compromised now so
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until he gets nutrition and hydration he's not going to have the opportunity for the brain to try
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and and recover and that's what we're fighting for now treat it so he gets the strength so we can in
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fact try and transform out of that facility and the fact that it's a catholic facility doing this
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is extremely troubling i don't even know glenn if they tried to wean him off the ventilator to see if
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he would be have the capability of breathing on his own because of course if he was able to breathe on
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his own then they couldn't do it they would have yeah they couldn't they couldn't stop and dehydrate
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him to death but i think they're using the ventilator as as a a reason to stop his food and hydration
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why bobby why would they do that well you know i i think glenn i don't think it's difficult to see
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what's happening here i think this is a cost issue if they look at someone like like david who's going to
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need long-term cost well it's a lot more affordable to stop treatment uh um sooner rather than later
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to save the hospital what could be long-term cost and and i i don't know what other reason they come
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to these decisions so quickly uh they they as i keep saying over and over again glenn this boy needs an
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opportunity to recover and the fact that they cut off nutrition so quickly it just it i don't understand
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and we glenn we deal with so many cases like this today we've been doing this for 14 years
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i've lost count of the cases of families that call us that are going through the same
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type of situation it's heartbreaking is it worse since you fought for your sister
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oh absolutely there's no doubt with the cause that we're getting going and who knows how how
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how frequently this is happening across uh health care system i look i'm not trying to paint a picture
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uh of our health care facilities i mean we we deal with wonderful facilities and doctors and nurses
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every day and i don't know that the ethics of the doctors that are pushing this plan i think it's more
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coming from administrators and insurance companies that do not want to provide the resources needed
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to help these people when they when they're faced with these types of traumatic brain injuries and
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serious brain injuries when they see the long-term care potential and the fact that they can save a lot
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of money by uh by um stopping care you know i think that's perhaps is what's driving these
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administrators to to to stop treatment um much much too quick so you have people now bobby across the
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nation we're running out of time for this this this guy he's i mean you saw him um he could die
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could die tomorrow could die today um and he needs to have uh liquid and he needs to uh you know have
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hydration and then you know some some nourishment to be able to get his strength back um people who
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are listening now what do they do well as i said i would urge them to go to facebook i would urge them
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to contact the bishop of diocese the diocese of tucson this is a catholic-run hospital i don't know that
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it's an opera a diocese hospital i don't know if it's a hospital operated by the diocese nonetheless
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i think the bishop would have authority to intervene to at least plead with this uh hospital
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to provide this young man care until we find a facility that would be able to train so we could
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transfer him to a facility that would be willing to treat him it's very difficult to do that but
00:29:15.860
we're trying and we're hopeful that we can find one if there's a field facility out there perhaps
00:29:20.800
that's listening someone that works for a facility that might be uh willing to to contact patricia
00:29:25.800
or uh to or the hospital to see if in fact they would accept him on transfer i mean that would
00:29:32.200
be very helpful i don't know if it's a good idea glenn to bombard the hospital with phone calls at this
00:29:36.880
point i don't know if that would be helpful but but it would be helpful to try and plead with the
00:29:41.500
bishop uh bishop weissenberger i believe his name is here in tucson to intervene uh and do you happen to
00:29:47.480
know do you happen to know how you'd contact you have a number or anything i don't have it in front
00:29:52.800
of me but okay i'll tweet it or facebook and i'll i'll get it in a few minutes bishop weissenberger is
00:29:58.180
his name it's in uh the diocese of tucson um yeah and and we're just we're asking for time glenn i mean
00:30:06.640
this is it's been less than a month that this happens to this young man and and what is the what is
00:30:11.620
the rush to end his life and to starve and dehydrate him to death without giving him the opportunity
00:30:16.280
we're fighting for time and i think that is the least that this hospital and these administrators
00:30:20.940
can give this young man uh uh particularly with the mother saying how responsive he was at least
00:30:27.080
initially i mean it's getting harder for him sure every day because he's being compromised by a lack
00:30:31.280
of food and hydration correct bobby i don't know how you do it all the time i don't know how you just
00:30:37.580
relive your worst part of your life with your sister um but you have dedicated your life to this and uh
00:30:44.620
you're a hero you're a modern day hero and i um i'm i'm honored to know you and just keep us
00:30:51.120
informed to tell us what we can do to help thanks glenn thanks for covering this uh god bless you i
00:30:56.180
really appreciate it bobby schindler from the uh terry schivo life and hope network
00:31:01.900
you're listening to the best of the glenn beck program
00:31:09.340
if you are a fan of the sigma force series as i am you will be thrilled that to know that james
00:31:26.120
rollins is on with us now he has a new novel out it's called crucible it is a thriller and it's
00:31:33.020
about witchcraft and yet it's not about witchcraft no i love to mix a little bit of history and a bit
00:31:39.260
of science so this starts way back during the spanish inquisition uh when there was a sort of a
00:31:44.380
you talked a little bit about how tech seems to impact uh daily life and that's what happened in the
00:31:49.820
past prior to the 1400s you know there was no great persecution of witches the the catholic church
00:31:56.920
seemed to be okay with witches but about the mid 1400s there was a uh volume that was produced
00:32:02.440
called the malleus malefarchum or the hammer of witches it was produced by a priest in 1487
00:32:07.740
this volume was a witch hunter's bible it's going to tell you how to find a witch torture a witch
00:32:14.920
persecuted witch basically fun reading now this book would have been lost for obscurity but for
00:32:20.660
one fact that it came out the same time of gutenberg's printing press so it was one of the first mass
00:32:26.940
produced books it was distributed across europe eventually over to the americas and it was that
00:32:32.200
one volume that's considered to be the sort of the match the spark that ignited the great witch purges
00:32:37.460
that swept europe for 400 centuries i mean 400 years and then eventually spread to salem here in the
00:32:43.000
states so you know when it comes to tech i'm sure when the gutenberg printing press everyone was going
00:32:47.820
oh it'll bring the world closer together knowledge will become you know a greater you know boom to
00:32:54.720
humanity and what did they use it for burn all witches yeah and they look at the internet today
00:33:00.980
you know when it first came out everybody says oh it'll bring people closer together it'll it'll you
00:33:05.300
know expand knowledge it'll be a great boon to mankind and we really are burn those witches we're
00:33:11.660
still burning those witches at this point so that's one of the you know so the crux of the story is
00:33:15.600
how uh you know tech sometimes sounds good and the tech in this book deals with artificial
00:33:20.320
intelligence and as you mentioned with the 5g and where we're headed right now in the tech world
00:33:24.640
and how it sounds good on paper but so tell me how this or tell me because i am i've been a fan of
00:33:31.840
yours for a very long time as you know thank you and uh i i think storytellers like you are so important
00:33:38.580
because people don't you know i could say hey uh i'm gonna spend the next week talking about tech
00:33:47.020
and how it's gonna change the world nobody really wants to hear it and at this point i don't think
00:33:53.400
the average american understands they don't believe they've been promised flying cars so when they
00:33:59.620
i'm still waiting for mine i know so when you hear five to ten years from now the world is going to be
00:34:06.060
completely different they put that in the flying car category right and this time it's different
00:34:12.500
so tell me the story that you created around the the warning that people like elon musk have been
00:34:19.220
giving right so it deals with a coming crisis one that the physicist stephen hawking says is going to
00:34:24.340
lead to the theoretical the end of human civilization elon musk says it's going to lead to world war
00:34:28.800
three vladimir putin says whoever controls this tech will control the world and that tech is
00:34:33.660
artificial intelligence it's the creation of the first sort of true human-like ai now that sounds
00:34:38.860
something like science fiction you know nowhere in my book do i have arnold schwarzenegger going into
00:34:42.940
the past and saving sarah connors right you know this is this is what's ripped from right you know i i call
00:34:48.080
these ai research i had 22 ai researchers for this novel and uh i posed the question to all of them well
00:34:54.760
you know it's scaring hawking and musk when's it when's it going to happen and they would said
00:35:02.340
you know sometime between like you said five to five to 15 years which again you can put rosy glass
00:35:07.820
and go well that you know i'm not going to worry about that today that's down the line except that
00:35:12.260
two of the researchers one in the one on the west coast and one in the midwest both of them told me oh
00:35:16.760
no jim it's already here you know we've got our ear to the third rail of ai research and we hear
00:35:22.920
what's rumbling and it would only rumble in that way if somebody was not already experimenting with
00:35:28.320
ai tech that's reached that level of of human of self-awareness and human level of intelligence
00:35:34.180
what are the rumbles that they hear did they say well it's in the book there's some proof in the book
00:35:39.620
that i had to change some names to avoid slander but some of the proof is in the book but they
00:35:43.140
showed me the proof and it was convincing that there is evidence at this point that some people
00:35:47.440
are experimenting because of certain types of tech that was being experimented on in different
00:35:51.720
segments because when you're talking about ai tech it's very subdivided everybody's in their
00:35:55.340
own little circle doing one part of it and so some of the research going in certain parts indicate
00:35:59.880
that somebody is already testing that a human level of ai tech so if we're not if they're not right
00:36:06.320
we're still within the next five to ten five to fifteen years of facing this we're going to face
00:36:10.720
something we've never faced before which is you know an intelligence we're sharing this planet with
00:36:14.260
that we've never seen before and it people don't understand people think oh it will be friendly to
00:36:18.860
human or we can keep it in a cage it's going to be thinking so fast it will be like a three-year-old
00:36:25.100
trying to block uh einstein from leaving a room exactly it's not going to happen um and uh and so
00:36:32.580
they think we can keep it in a cage or it will be friendly we have to understand this truly is an alien
00:36:39.080
life form so we have no i we're already learning this through things like go it doesn't think like us
00:36:45.980
no so we can't predict it at all i mean the founder of skype said that when this happens
00:36:51.420
we're talking about a consciousness that a we can't control and that we can't comprehend
00:36:55.540
and we're not going to be able to control it uh i know from you've done a lot of research on ai
00:37:01.300
yourself you know about the ai box experiment where they they put a ai researcher in a room
00:37:06.380
and a virtual locked up chat room and said hey you know i'll give you a cash prize if you keep me in
00:37:11.160
this chat room well a majority of them failed he got he escaped every single time and that was just
00:37:15.860
a human level of right of intelligence and his escapes because when i when ai has access to all
00:37:23.960
information and is credible saying look i know your mom has cancer i know and i'm telling you i can save
00:37:32.740
her i know what kind of cancer it is i have the solution humans immediately go man i you know what
00:37:40.300
it's too good yes i gonna release you i mean the for the cause of cancer i'm gonna release
00:37:45.120
he gets out every single time and that's not with a superior intelligence that's just man against man
00:37:50.900
and we're already at the point where ai scientists will admit they do not know how the the current
00:37:56.600
level of ai thinks even the narrow ai that we have in our pocket with siri or on our countertop with
00:38:00.960
alexa when you're talking about the advanced ai you put data in and an inference or an answer comes
00:38:06.720
out the other end they do not know how a want to be they cannot tell you how the ai the thought
00:38:11.880
process i went through to come to that conclusion it's called an algorithmic black box darpa just
00:38:16.920
spent 6.5 million over at oregon university to try to shine a light a little bit to try to figure out
00:38:21.680
how these things are thinking so we it's totally incomprehensible as the founder of skype said
00:38:26.340
we can't control it uh it's you know there's two camps there's a ray kurtzweil camp that thinks again
00:38:32.360
great boon for humanity will bring us closer yay i'm the camp did you talk no i wasn't able to speak
00:38:39.440
to ray no but you know i think the camp is going to be you know burn all witches you know it's going
00:38:44.220
to be something bad i think so too um i i i've talked to ray a couple of times and he is um
00:38:50.900
uh well a he doesn't believe in god so he doesn't believe in a soul so he doesn't he believes that we
00:38:56.980
are just an algorithm you know what i mean we're just a collection of synopsis that happens so i can
00:39:02.280
download you the human body is nothing right it's just the way you think and that's i just don't
00:39:06.920
believe that at all um uh and so that gives me a little bit of fear because he's just he looks at
00:39:14.940
life completely almost like an alien in some ways uh and he is too many of his answers to me have been
00:39:22.940
well it just won't happen that way well from the i had 22 ai researchers that were willing to talk to
00:39:30.100
me either via phone or via email um none of them were on the ray kurtzweil side they were all
00:39:37.080
very scared what's going on in this tech because of the fact that if whoever controls this tech
00:39:43.180
controls the world as vladimir putin has stated everybody's after every country's pursuing it
00:39:47.520
every corporation's pursuing it and they're pursuing without any very little safeguards they just want
00:39:51.520
to be the first one to grab that gold ring so i question well you know is there any path out of
00:39:57.260
this it's they said well there's a small camp you know where there's 99 researchers just pursuing
00:40:02.720
hell-bent to get that to that tech first there's a small percentage of them that are pursuing the
00:40:07.500
harder path a more expensive path unfortunately which is to correct try to create the first friendly
00:40:12.200
ai an ai that's sympathetic that's empathetic to us because we may need eventually somebody in our
00:40:18.280
back pocket like an ai that likes us that when a malignant ai arises which it will we have somebody to
00:40:24.300
be our champion so i thought well how do you do that how do you how do you have a moral compass in
00:40:28.400
a computer and they told me some of the ways that uh that are being done so i i ended up putting that
00:40:35.080
in the book okay so let's talk about that let's talk about the story and the book we're going to take
00:40:38.900
one minute break and then back with james rollins the name of the book is crucible um really important
00:40:45.340
to read if if you want to see over the horizon see the things we should be talking about and reading
00:40:51.000
about and thinking about uh read this book crucible by james rollins so james when you start writing a
00:40:57.720
book like this you do the research and is this something that you are is this something that
00:41:02.200
you are really passionate about do you write stories that you're like i think this is a real concern
00:41:07.160
well as a writer i'm always looking for that story where you know what science where science headed
00:41:12.560
what's what's around the horizon i'm looking for the stories that that scare me and me as a writer
00:41:17.660
it's one way of me of maybe assuaging some of that fear you know put it on paper get out of my head
00:41:24.320
right but also gives me an opportunity because i have a lot of contacts in darpa and various
00:41:27.840
institutes to find out you know what's you know let's pull outside the curtain a little bit you
00:41:30.780
know at the end of my book i have a what's true what's not section where i tell you exactly where
00:41:34.140
all this came from and if you want some leaves just some breadcrumbs to follow if you want to
00:41:37.860
because this uh when i got terrified after talking to these ai techs they were not reassuring at all
00:41:44.240
about where we're headed uh they're scared and they scared the the bejesus out of me yeah um so i i
00:41:50.020
knew i wanted to write that novel but but as a cautionary tale yes it's a roller coaster ride i'm
00:41:53.740
gonna i mean i burn most of paris down i fire firefights well they're already hurry because they're
00:41:58.680
already doing exactly i had to write this book fast before that happened right and uh so i you know
00:42:04.400
figured after hearing especially the gentleman that the two gentlemen said that were already there
00:42:08.580
is i better write this now because in three years i might not be able to write this i back three books
00:42:13.400
ago i i wrote a book that dealt with genetically engineering humans and i asked my my little team
00:42:18.660
of scientists that were willing to talk to me said well who would genetically alter embryos who would
00:42:23.120
try to you know forever change the inheritable gene pool of humanity and they were all like the chinese
00:42:28.100
so i wrote that book three years ago about the chinese altering human babies they're doing it and then
00:42:32.180
what happened yeah so my fear is that i've written this book today yeah you know what's it gonna look
00:42:36.820
like in three years or where we'll be we'll be after we'll be all questioning you know what it means
00:42:40.380
to share this planet with this this alien intelligence um how did you develop the uh and and why it's
00:42:48.940
almost a dan brown kind of approach except right dan brown kind of takes history and and the leads you
00:42:55.980
down this path where it is an ancient secret um and it's the catholic church and yada yada right
00:43:03.520
you're why did you select the witches is it just because of that and how did you weave that story in
00:43:09.320
well it starts in the past again just the beginning of this book there's a one of the characters monk is
00:43:14.400
flipping a coin in the air and his he's got a prosthetic that's so sensitive he's able to predict how that
00:43:19.900
coin will land he does basically the cheap drinks out of a bar so that's what tech is used for for
00:43:26.420
him and so in this book i was trying to shine a light on the fact that you know right now there's
00:43:31.160
a deep trench between science and religion uh but in the past it was not that way and uh sort of a
00:43:37.520
theme of a lot of my novels is trying to blur that line between science and religion is looking for
00:43:41.500
that common ground you know this i could after talking to these ai researchers i probably could have
00:43:46.860
written a non-fiction book about ai but i wanted to do a fiction book because it allows me to explore
00:43:52.380
a lot of the philosophical questions of what's coming up you know if we do create this alien
00:43:57.580
intelligence what does that mean does it have a soul do we have a responsibility to that can we
00:44:01.860
unplug it if it's actually self-aware um so those are the things i can explore in a novel that i can't
00:44:07.160
explore in in a non-fiction text so i said to i met with an ethicist um who was talking about how
00:44:14.300
ai uh robotics uh could be used to uh let uh you know child predators have their way with these
00:44:23.980
robots and they like to study and see if it and i said creepy very creepy and i said uh well um hang
00:44:32.820
on when we hit consciousness and we will yep um you are the worst kind of slave owner you are you've made
00:44:42.960
something and it's your creation you want to turn ai against you use it for those kinds of things and
00:44:51.840
she never even thought of it hadn't even occurred to her that way because people are not thinking
00:44:57.900
about something that's going to say i'm alive yep and how do you prove that it's not well this book i
00:45:05.440
introduce a point of view character it's a rudimentary ai named eve that was created by a young researcher on
00:45:11.580
the run with her tech and throughout the course of the novel um we see her trying to sculpt eve trying
00:45:17.880
to raise eve to become something like that's going to be a sympathetic empathetic ai and i'm using
00:45:25.240
techniques i learned from ibm and from some of the other researchers uh just how they were recommending
00:45:30.240
to sculpt this so i so i did that in the book but uh it's like raising a child ultimately like
00:45:35.680
question becomes when it comes to creating ai a nature versus nurture you know how much of a who we
00:45:40.380
are is our genetic code how much of who we are is the way we're raised and it's going to be the same
00:45:44.620
with ai there's a certain amount of of tech amount of code you can put into an ai to help maybe lean
00:45:50.700
it towards being uh empathetic and sympathetic but also it's going to be the way you raise it if you uh
00:45:57.140
if you you have this immature ai that's abused it's going to go one one track if if you if you treat
00:46:03.700
in a certain manner then maybe we can avoid the worst catastrophe by having an ai that's going to help us
00:46:08.420
or if you even treat it and you teach it to kill i mean the the idea that we are putting ai in drones
00:46:16.980
uh that we are putting them we want to put them in robots um you know for for some sort of you know
00:46:25.060
uh drone right war is is terrifying right now there's a big philosophical question among in the
00:46:32.400
military about who should give the kill order should it you know because right now we do have
00:46:38.240
a drones that are very much driven by ai right but right now we still have the kill order coming from
00:46:43.880
a human saying okay now shoot where they're they're willing to give that up they're willing to give the
00:46:48.800
kill order control over to the ai that's insane that's a worrisome moment in history it's really
00:46:54.800
really really insane uh what was the thing in the in doing the research that scared you the most
00:47:01.680
what scared me the most was the fact that we're already seeing ai that are losing control and
00:47:08.360
surprising their creators that was what startled me the most is the ai that said you know we're finding
00:47:13.860
at the at the fringes where they're really experimenting at the edges like alpha go alpha go zero
00:47:17.960
these computers are these ais are surprising their creators and to quote one of the researchers
00:47:24.400
they're doing unexpected things did you see the story about microsoft they they shut the program
00:47:30.660
down they had two programs talking to each other and writing and in the one they were speaking in a
00:47:36.140
secret language yes and within just a few minutes they developed their own language and no researcher
00:47:41.580
understood what they were even talking about and when the researchers asked the ai can you please
00:47:45.540
translate your conversation for us they said no they refused to translate it yep so that's just
00:47:52.520
think about that right there and they and microsoft stopped it and they they put a press release out no
00:47:57.660
it's just because it had run its course and we no i did really really you're what what scientist
00:48:03.900
isn't isn't interested in finding out more about a new language you shut that down because it scared
00:48:09.860
the hell out of you exactly james it's always good to have you on
00:48:14.200
you're listening to the best of the glenbeck program
00:48:39.860
the bill of rights has never been more important than it will be in the next five years
00:48:46.660
you have certain inalienable rights for instance right now the arkansas house of representatives
00:48:55.440
is is voting to ban forced microchipping of workers
00:49:01.780
now i i want you i want you to i want you to think about that they had to have a bill
00:49:10.740
and write a law that would ban employers from requiring an implant as a condition of employment
00:49:19.180
it would only allow people be to be microchipped if they give written consent and the employers would
00:49:26.480
be responsible for the cost of implanting and removing the chip a wisconsin company did this in
00:49:32.420
2017 they microchipped employees that agreed to have the chip implanted
00:49:37.400
um and it allowed people to open doors and buy snacks and and everything else the legislation um
00:49:46.640
is is just in anticipation of companies doing this now we know that the chinese are already doing this
00:49:54.720
um and it is terrifying you you have to know that we are in a new era and it is called surveillance
00:50:06.660
capitalism and i would call it everything in 1984 the book 1984 surveillance capitalism is your life is
00:50:17.740
going to be made so easy because everything you do will be surveilled and everything
00:50:24.500
will be running on the back of this 5g network and eventually ai once ai has access to all phone
00:50:34.880
calls you worry about the nsa there's not enough time to listen to all phone calls and read all text
00:50:42.620
and every keystroke but the nsa saves it but with ai and especially with um quantum computing which is
00:50:54.040
also around the corner it can calculate and listen and do everything that man cannot do
00:51:01.420
the reason why i bring this up is because we have to a educate ourselves on this and i know it sounds
00:51:11.020
like flying cars but please hear me this is coming the world will be completely different by 2025
00:51:20.660
completely different by 2025 as different as america has has seen changes as different as we are from
00:51:29.620
the year 2000 to the year 2019 that kind of change at bare minimum will be felt in the next five to six years
00:51:42.160
so please don't dismiss this but what we can concentrate on right now is a fight for life
00:51:52.920
liberty and the pursuit of happiness so your own kind of chart your own course get out of the thumb of
00:52:04.340
someone else that's your pursuit of happiness we're going to show you tonight a way to do that and
00:52:11.440
tonight we're going to show you how we could save the government and get out of debt immediately erase
00:52:19.240
the national deficit and we can do that just by privatizing some of the biggest agencies like tsa
00:52:27.560
and we'll take you through that tonight we should not be having this discussion of um of uh the shutdown
00:52:35.520
we should be talking about how can we change things to match tomorrow
00:52:44.020
liberty we need to be able to talk about um the right to be able to speak and to think and to have your voice
00:52:56.560
heard this is something we're going to cover tomorrow tomorrow blaze media and blaze tv live
00:53:05.220
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00:53:14.520
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00:53:23.800
on blaze tv where you will get everything and we invite you to subscribe now what we're doing is
00:53:29.980
media meltdown this is the beginning i hope of something that is a ongoing conversation it will be
00:53:40.020
between you and i tomorrow we're bringing in all of the big hosts that can come in and we're checking
00:53:47.000
in with others but we have 30 different hosts um and we're going to have the conversation about
00:53:54.080
the media and where it is today and how if they are willing to make things up like they did last week
00:54:04.000
and willing to destroy a kid when the evidence of video shows none of that is true what won't they do
00:54:14.180
in 2020 if the media decides that they have to be the fact checker for everyone and they convince
00:54:29.300
facebook and microsoft and google that they're going to be the ones that provide the blue or green check
00:54:37.640
mark how do they decide that i can't tell you that cnn is a wholly unreliable source i can tell you that cnn
00:54:49.420
has an agenda on this or that and they see things differently and at times they are wholly inaccurate
00:54:59.180
and intentionally like they were last week but sometimes they get it right so should we if we were
00:55:07.320
the ones in charge should we ban cnn or say that they're an awful uh news outlet or should we say
00:55:15.700
be cautious be cautious be aware and that's what should be said for the right and the left
00:55:22.760
but it shouldn't be something new be cautious when microsoft came out with their red shield last week
00:55:30.920
and they put the blaze under a red shield saying we're gonna we need to protect you from this because
00:55:37.520
we're not sure how how accurate they are i take that as a badge of honor it means that i don't agree with
00:55:46.860
microsoft i don't agree with the mainstream media i won't feed that to you i'm an independent thinker
00:55:56.780
and i don't agree with the bill and melinda gates foundation amen thank you i'd like that red shield
00:56:04.620
from you please microsoft unfortunately what that shield will do eventually the algorithms will start
00:56:12.540
suppressing voices like mine and like yours so what do we do that's the subject tomorrow as we begin
00:56:22.880
this national conversation and we believe in it so much no commercials it's raw and you can find it
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tomorrow at blaze tv.com slash beck you'll also be able to find it on our facebook page it starts
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6 p.m eastern please please if you want to be a part of the solution make sure you join us uh tomorrow
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and the last one is life life liberty and the pursuit of happiness we are so devaluing life right now that
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people actually cheered for the passing of a partial birth abortion law people are actually cheering cheering
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when people say my first abortion was really my best
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i can't tell the difference between something alive
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and our life under ai but ai will first learn what life is worth from us
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um as we sold told you today there is a a native american and i only point out that he's native american
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because last week everybody on the left cared about native americans
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after two after two weeks his family is there he's responding with hand signals and moving his feet and everything else
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the hospital declares him bank brain dead and no hope
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he is now i think on day 14 of no fluids and no food
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i posted how you could help on my facebook and twitter
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so you can go there you can find his gofundme page
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to help pay for the bills because that's what really everybody's worried about
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our culture that believes in the dignity of life is being lost
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and things are only going to be more confusing from here
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and start talking about the politics of meaning