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00:01:28.460 up i want to play uh some audio here of kamala harris uh where she she said we are better than

00:01:35.600 this this is her first 2020 rally 20 000 people showed up for her rally here's kamala harris

00:01:43.540 who are here at this moment in time because we must answer a fundamental question who are we

00:01:54.160 who are we as americans so let's answer that question to the world and each other right here

00:02:07.160 and right now america we are better than this

00:02:12.940 20 000 people showing up uh she is going to be a real contender i think she is a uh danger because

00:02:23.620 she is um not only is she very very very very left but she also um is is is not somebody who looks

00:02:35.020 like i am spartacus she seems genuine now games are part of the overall strategy willie brown came

00:02:45.480 out he was former san francisco mayor willie brown known for his you know outlandish outfits and his

00:02:51.880 extramarital relations he penned a letter now for the san francisco chronicle and what was the title

00:02:58.300 sure i dated kamala harris so what oh boy well for one you were married at the time uh willie

00:03:07.220 but even if we look beyond that uh it is clear that harris would not be where she is today a

00:03:13.780 presidential hopeful without dating a politically powerful man brown wrote i have been peppered with

00:03:21.440 calls from the national media about my relationship with kamala harris particularly since it became obvious

00:03:26.520 that she was going to run for president most of them i have not returned yes we dated it was more

00:03:31.300 than 20 years ago in a 2003 interview harris said of brown his career is over i will be alive and kicking

00:03:39.880 for the next 40 years i don't owe him a thing she said in the san francisco weekly uh if there is corruption

00:03:46.500 it will be prosecuted so we're now playing a game between these two i think brown thought very

00:03:56.220 highly of harris um he gave her a brand new bmw i mean that doesn't happen all the time no one's

00:04:02.460 ever given me a bmw right well you don't run in these circles stew you know politicians they've got

00:04:08.160 money coming out their wazoo and you know when you're a politician you clearly can buy people

00:04:15.240 bmws and give them his gifts oh yeah that's that's what government works all about glenn he said yes i may

00:04:21.160 have influenced her career this is in the letter i may have influenced her career by appointing her

00:04:26.000 to two state commissions when i was an assembly speaker and i certainly helped her uh in her first

00:04:32.120 race for district attorney in san francisco i also helped in the careers of nancy pelosi and gavin 0.95

00:04:37.840 newsom and diane feinstein stein and a host of other politicians the difference is that harris is the

00:04:44.220 only one who after i helped her sent word that i would be indicted if i so much as jaywalked while

00:04:51.060 she was da that's politics for you so as much as as much as people think this is bad i actually think

00:05:01.000 this is good i think it's good for this reason you want your skeletons out of the closet

00:05:08.900 you want them out really early um and so what did he do he said yeah i had an affair now everybody if

00:05:19.740 you kept that quiet and you kept trying to push that down uh then it's a problem here's kamala harris 1.00

00:05:28.860 staying out of it she's doing a big 20 000 person uh event at the same time an old lover

00:05:37.400 an old mentor a guy who was in the power structure above her think of think of this

00:05:44.540 how could she be part of a women's movement when this guy helped her well

00:05:49.760 hmm what did he just say i helped a lot of people but she was the only one that said if i jaywalk

00:05:58.260 she'd indict me so she takes no prisoners even somebody she was having an affair with and he was

00:06:06.080 giving her cars it gets the secret out it will be a day story if that and she looks tough i think

00:06:16.220 this works well for her it probably does i mean the story i mean they it was somewhat public at the

00:06:21.120 time that she was having an affair but it's been long you know it's long forgotten history and it's

00:06:25.380 kind of being dredged up he was 20 he was 60 and she was 30 at the time one of the dynamic yeah

00:06:31.220 why is that's one of the the me too thing is an interesting angle on this that you bring up

00:06:34.640 because we've talked we talked to a couple people back when the me too thing was was kind of at its

00:06:39.840 peak and women who were saying you know yes it's completely wrong if a man demands sexual favors and 1.00

00:06:48.300 tries to and threatens to uh ruin her career if she says no similarly if a woman is using her 0.96

00:06:57.880 sexuality to gain advantages which by the way does occasionally occur or not even sexuality

00:07:04.540 tempting flirting you know dressing in a particular way to try to get an advantage

00:07:10.680 then that should be something that women are willing to stand up and say yeah we should stop 1.00

00:07:15.740 doing this as well now you know there's no evidence per se that this was a kamala harris plan

00:07:20.980 to get her career escalated but it's hard to imagine that she you know i mean as he points out he

00:07:25.700 helped her and they were dating right so there was a an advantage she received at some level because

00:07:32.440 of a relationship like that and it's it's an interesting dynamic to push against this whole me too

00:07:38.800 thing we would we would say here right that the current narrative is if a man is even even shows

00:07:45.460 mild interest and in an underling in this sort of way he should be thrown out of society

00:07:50.580 and now as one of the people in the relationship is admitting this basically helped her escalate

00:07:58.180 her career so how do we look at that or should we look back at should we dissolve that relationship

00:08:02.980 in our minds and give her no advantage for that whatsoever or should we admit basically what

00:08:07.820 they're admitting it's it's a tough line for someone who's trying to walk the me too and i'm a

00:08:14.200 self-empowered woman of all yeah i'm not sure how you're supposed to walk that line with if you're 0.99

00:08:20.160 that here's how i walk that line i don't care i don't care i mean i care about the adultery just

00:08:28.600 as much as i care about the adultery with this president and the other president um but i don't really

00:08:33.640 care i don't care that whoa what a surprise wait uh somebody might be giving special favors and 0.99

00:08:41.000 bmws um to an underling that he wants to have a relationship with what a surprise yeah that sucks

00:08:49.000 in politics what a surprise um what a surprise that a woman might want to have a relationship 0.98

00:08:55.900 with somebody who can help uh her career what a surprise what a surprise if neither of those

00:09:02.900 happened and they were actually deeply madly in love with each other and they were just having sex

00:09:08.540 and it just happened to work out that she was the best person for the jobs that you know the city

00:09:14.460 would try to it doesn't matter right you you however are not a democratic primary voter for

00:09:20.820 example another part of this is kamala harris is a uh prosecutor right and she was known as you kind 1.00

00:09:26.680 of saw with the i'll indict you if you jaywalk type of thing she was known as being a relatively for 1.00

00:09:30.740 at least for california a tough prosecutor put a lot of people uh you know held them accountable for

00:09:36.100 their actions as they would say well you'll notice that that's not exactly a popular position in the

00:09:40.840 democratic party especially in the primary i mean when you put criminals behind bars they protest i

00:09:46.600 mean they're they'll run can't campaigns to try to free people who killed fbi agents like this is not

00:09:53.380 a crew that's like looking for extra prison time and this is one of the things she's going to be 0.67

00:09:57.680 it's a challenge for her in the democratic party because she's put prisoners behind bars and the 1.00

00:10:02.960 democrats don't tend to like that all that much however it's a benefit for her in a general because 1.00

00:10:07.380 people who are not won over by her socialism see oh at least she's tough on crime and it's that's one

00:10:12.980 of the arguments for her in the general and that is the biggest thing how will she do in the general 0.80

00:10:18.960 i don't think democrats democrats not the diehards democrats won't care they just want someone to beat 0.70

00:10:29.100 donald trump you have to remember that the left views donald trump the way the right viewed hillary

00:10:36.520 clinton you can't believe she's still around you can't believe she's not gotten caught for all those

00:10:44.180 murders that the clintons did right okay so every crazy thing you ever heard about hillary and all the 1.00

00:10:51.800 crazy things you heard about hillary that were true and false it's the same thing so they're motivated

00:10:59.920 they will pick anyone that they think can win in the general election to stop trump and so i don't think

00:11:07.960 they'll care about uh her being tough on crime because they will know in the general election 0.99

00:11:14.320 that will help her she's i think she is a very dangerous candidate uh for donald trump and we'll 0.99

00:11:22.660 get in more to that here in uh just a second and the shutdown we'll get to that uh it's over so what

00:11:29.780 happened and what should we do the best of the glenn beck program

00:11:36.020 let me go to uh the phones and just get a read real quick i want to take a lot of people as fast

00:11:48.880 as i possibly can just to get a temperature read uh from the audience on how you feel about the

00:11:54.900 government shutdown and reopening is it good was it bad uh your thoughts from jesse in california first

00:12:02.360 jesse go ahead yes what yes win or loss loss uh i wish he would have stayed i wish he would have

00:12:12.220 stayed fast when he started and uh push comes to shove if after another three weeks of the shutdown if

00:12:18.480 he would have went to a uh state of emergency i would have been okay with that okay let me go to uh

00:12:23.600 eric in south carolina eric what are your thoughts uh overall i guess a loss on just the whole thing

00:12:31.060 but i feel like reopening it was a more presidential and more mature uh to do when you're facing off

00:12:37.180 with these democrats who will not negotiate all right mike um in california go ahead

00:12:44.140 yeah hi glenn this is mike in california yes yes sir listen i i'm i'm kind of torn first of all

00:12:52.380 trump makes people show their cards the democrats they're democratic jeez i'm sorry that's okay

00:13:00.120 relax are you there oh oh he got frustrated um anthony he just gave up on talking in there

00:13:08.640 that was interesting or he may have thought he lost us anthony go ahead hey glenn yeah i think

00:13:12.960 it's a short-term loss however trump's three steps ahead of all these professional politicians and this

00:13:18.180 is a a long game for him and three weeks from now i think he's going to offer something different

00:13:22.360 spin this around and throw it back in their faces and i think it becomes a win eventually for

00:13:27.380 him he's always been for three years ahead of these guys all right uh greg in vermont yes well i think

00:13:34.580 that uh trump actually won uh big time with this by showing that the dems won't negotiate and that

00:13:42.340 they are actually for uh all the uh criminals coming in and the drugs coming in on the south southern

00:13:48.220 border thank you greg i wonder if it's been seen that way because of the mainstream media however

00:13:52.760 uh jeremy because i see it that way uh jeremy mr beck yes yes mr beck yes sir um i would have to say

00:13:59.100 it was a loss for everybody i mean if you're a mid-range on the fence or if you're a trump supporter

00:14:03.120 i mean i think that you know everybody was just deflated by that you know you you're a worker you do

00:14:08.660 these things and you know they keep giving this stuff out and they don't want to do anything to fix it

00:14:13.260 i think that all americans are frustrated they don't believe that government works that it's more of

00:14:17.520 just all hollywood you know it's all politics it's not really real and trump folden i kind of

00:14:22.080 think just solidified that for a lot of americans that voted for him or were on the fence if they

00:14:26.340 were you know democrats vice versa you know yep i think you're right jeremy i think we all lost

00:14:31.560 democrats and republicans on this and we lost even more faith in our government that anybody is

00:14:37.420 serious about anything other than the next election

00:14:41.280 this is the best of the glenn beck program

00:14:46.620 hi it's glenn if you're a subscriber to the podcast can you do us a favor and rate us on

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00:15:08.000 itunes thanks patricia adamas has a uh has a has a son david he suffered a stroke on new year's eve

00:15:22.200 he was transported to uh the emergency department uh this is a guy who was just wildly alive

00:15:32.180 uh he was taken to icu and uh he became comatose 13 days later they say he's brain dead he's

00:15:46.000 unresponsive and we're going to cut off all of his food and uh his water and his breathing tube

00:15:52.800 uh i have wrestled with this for a very long time starting with terry schivo

00:15:58.040 and uh this is wrong to do to people and we must not go down this road patricia adamas the mother

00:16:09.680 is on the phone with us now she's going in in just a few minutes to meet with the hospital 0.84

00:16:14.860 and get an update and plead the case to please don't kill her son and i so appreciate her being

00:16:23.380 on the phone with us now patricia how are you i'm really it's very difficult time um patricia tell us

00:16:34.400 they they didn't really consult with you guys did they um when they started to just cut off his food

00:16:44.340 and water that's correct they did not tell me what tell me what happened um at that time and

00:16:53.320 is he responsive at all because i understand he when you're talking to him when family members talk to

00:16:59.620 him he is moving yeah so it was a surprise initially the first question it was a surprise we weren't

00:17:09.940 informed that they were going to stop food everything was done you know and a discovery of

00:17:17.020 well surprise there's no hydration there's no you know we're not going to continue so it was um

00:17:25.320 a surprise and shock surprise and shock which was very difficult let alone to deal with everything

00:17:31.320 that was happening in the hospital and i'm sorry forgive me what was your second question

00:17:36.840 um that it was a surprise and and also is is he risk is he responsive he is very very emaciated

00:17:48.680 hydrated very weak and frail his bones are protruding from the skin so he's not as responsive um yesterday

00:17:58.020 and today it's very delayed but yes he did respond when we talked i would tell him you know sweetheart

00:18:06.020 are you hungry would you like to come to the table to eat he'd lift this foot my mother would walk in

00:18:12.000 and say hi sweetheart it's grandma you know and he would immediately lift this you know his foot

00:18:18.180 and he tries so hard um just uh wednesday at eight o'clock a friend of his went in and said hey david

00:18:27.920 you know and he just was shaking his foot it was different than the lifting it was he was literally

00:18:32.900 shaking his foot and he lifted it and was shaking it and um that's the last of the um you know that

00:18:43.420 type of energy now his responses are very faint very faint and very concerned because he's severely

00:18:51.000 dehydrated i've seen the pictures of him just three four weeks ago and the picture of him today

00:18:57.780 he's not the same man it's it's um i mean he's a he looks like he is you know as he is starving to death

00:19:05.920 um uh what are you patricia what are you asking the hospital today and why won't they

00:19:13.920 why won't they give you even custody of him

00:19:17.180 well i have guardianship in the federal court of law we're native american but what i'm asking today

00:19:25.200 and being very adamant in asking in continuum is for my son to um can to be provided uh intravenous

00:19:34.780 hydrate intravenous hydration and then at some point nutrition and then the thyroid that is very

00:19:41.320 essential to his um stability and um recovery you know because the idea is the hospital's intent

00:19:51.300 or alleged or stated intent is to help us transfer him to receive continued services which would be

00:19:58.000 new jersey or some other place that would take him and but you don't do that intentionally and not

00:20:05.760 provide the vital sustenance to get him there so it's it's not so it's almost a default it's not

00:20:13.180 it's not very humane and i don't understand it what else the other thing i'm asking for is to be

00:20:19.540 properly informed you know to be given the dignity and the respect without that you know we're going

00:20:26.220 to remove the ventilator at any minute and you know things like that like we're going to take this is

00:20:31.640 the last thing he has sustaining and we're going to take that you know it's not it's not humane to live

00:20:37.620 or to feel that there is the spirit of recovery or any sense of stability for my son or the underlying

00:20:46.120 intent that is not in alignment with the um the alleged care of the hospital so we're asking that um

00:20:58.460 that immediately the hydration and the nutrition continue that my son be allowed dignity respect

00:21:06.100 and the care and to be sustained until you know the the statements of the hospital to transfer him

00:21:13.880 to a long-term care facility and this is to allow me this is informed this is saint joseph's hospital

00:21:20.920 so this is a catholic hospital you would think that life would be paramount to them um and he could

00:21:29.300 have been transferred but now he is so weak from starving him to death that um the the idea of

00:21:37.300 transferring him to a place for uh you know longer care um is uh is probably not an option today

00:21:45.920 patricia i know you uh need to get to the hospital and and we're praying for your son and i have bobby

00:21:53.200 schindler on the phone thank you and and and godspeed and we'll check in again to find out what's

00:21:58.680 happening um we're going to go to bobby schindler who is terry schivo's brother and bobby and i became

00:22:07.260 friends if you're new to the show um over his sister i was on the wrong side of it for a while

00:22:13.440 uh and then i didn't do the easy thing i did the hard thing and i actually thought about it prayed

00:22:18.960 about it read about it and uh did soul searching and we do not in human in human society since when

00:22:29.200 do we consider uh food an extraordinary measure we we feed our babies we give water to our babies we give

00:22:40.580 water to our dogs you go to jail if you don't give water to your dog you go to jail if you leave your dog in a

00:22:48.220 hot car what are we doing to people and this is a bright line that we must all draw and bobby and i will

00:22:57.740 talk about that in one minute

00:22:59.300 bobby schindler president of terry schivo life and hope network uh one of the great american heroes

00:23:10.580 of our time he and his family and what they have done because of his sister terry schivo

00:23:16.040 um i talked to uh bobby yesterday we exchanged emails he was on his way to arizona and i had just

00:23:22.860 heard about it uh and so we connected and um bobby what do we need to do how can we help

00:23:29.900 well grant i i gotta tell you it seems to me we've become desensitized to what's going on in this

00:23:37.160 hospital i went to visit david and when i saw him i had saw videos of him on a facebook post that

00:23:44.680 patricia had produced and it is it is gut-wrenching to see this young man uh who really hasn't given an

00:23:52.360 opportunity to see if in fact he is able to recover uh to see him starving and dehydrating

00:23:57.720 to death like this it just brought back terrible memories and also the fact glenn this is happening

00:24:03.960 every single day it has countless health care facilities in our country and where is the outrage

00:24:09.120 where are people supporting this woman's efforts to try and stop this from happening i i don't

00:24:15.480 understand the mindset uh or the mentality of why the hospital is not giving this young man the

00:24:21.640 opportunity for treat to respond to treatment what is the rush i mean we're fighting for time here

00:24:27.920 glenn that that we're not doctors i don't know his long-term prognosis but but to cut off treatment in

00:24:34.200 such a short period of time to me is just um it's terrible bobby he has two young he has two young

00:24:43.940 daughters and uh if you see the pictures of him three weeks ago he was a vibrant guy um you know he was

00:24:54.940 i mean the pictures i've seen of him he was alive and fit and uh and then three weeks later he looks like

00:25:03.780 he's he's in ethiopia um and one of the starving victims and he is except it's in an american hospital

00:25:12.300 what does i i go ahead i'm sorry no no i i just urge people to go to to uh facebook we can you can go to

00:25:21.760 our life and hope network terry shovel life and hope network facebook page and watch the videos

00:25:25.540 that patricia's making of her of her son and to see his condition um the the brain the brain is very

00:25:32.880 complex glenn we have stories after stories of people that just need time for the brain to recover

00:25:38.540 but when you when you cut off his nourishment and his hydration from within days of his initial

00:25:45.820 accident uh you're doing exactly what the brain doesn't need his brain and he's compromised now so

00:25:54.260 until he gets nutrition and hydration he's not going to have the opportunity for the brain to try

00:25:59.560 and and recover and that's what we're fighting for now treat it so he gets the strength so we can in

00:26:06.060 fact try and transform out of that facility and the fact that it's a catholic facility doing this

00:26:10.040 is extremely troubling i don't even know glenn if they tried to wean him off the ventilator to see if

00:26:16.400 he would be have the capability of breathing on his own because of course if he was able to breathe on

00:26:20.320 his own then they couldn't do it they would have yeah they couldn't they couldn't stop and dehydrate

00:26:24.880 him to death but i think they're using the ventilator as as a a reason to stop his food and hydration

00:26:31.260 why bobby why would they do that well you know i i think glenn i don't think it's difficult to see

00:26:41.700 what's happening here i think this is a cost issue if they look at someone like like david who's going to

00:26:46.480 need long-term cost well it's a lot more affordable to stop treatment uh um sooner rather than later

00:26:53.800 to save the hospital what could be long-term cost and and i i don't know what other reason they come

00:26:59.320 to these decisions so quickly uh they they as i keep saying over and over again glenn this boy needs an

00:27:05.700 opportunity to recover and the fact that they cut off nutrition so quickly it just it i don't understand

00:27:12.360 and we glenn we deal with so many cases like this today we've been doing this for 14 years

00:27:17.060 i've lost count of the cases of families that call us that are going through the same

00:27:21.360 type of situation it's heartbreaking is it worse since you fought for your sister

00:27:28.540 oh absolutely there's no doubt with the cause that we're getting going and who knows how how

00:27:34.580 how frequently this is happening across uh health care system i look i'm not trying to paint a picture

00:27:39.880 uh of our health care facilities i mean we we deal with wonderful facilities and doctors and nurses

00:27:45.740 every day and i don't know that the ethics of the doctors that are pushing this plan i think it's more

00:27:50.580 coming from administrators and insurance companies that do not want to provide the resources needed

00:27:56.500 to help these people when they when they're faced with these types of traumatic brain injuries and

00:28:00.480 serious brain injuries when they see the long-term care potential and the fact that they can save a lot

00:28:05.700 of money by uh by um stopping care you know i think that's perhaps is what's driving these

00:28:11.940 administrators to to to stop treatment um much much too quick so you have people now bobby across the

00:28:20.040 nation we're running out of time for this this this guy he's i mean you saw him um he could die

00:28:28.300 could die tomorrow could die today um and he needs to have uh liquid and he needs to uh you know have 0.55

00:28:36.260 hydration and then you know some some nourishment to be able to get his strength back um people who

00:28:42.720 are listening now what do they do well as i said i would urge them to go to facebook i would urge them

00:28:49.320 to contact the bishop of diocese the diocese of tucson this is a catholic-run hospital i don't know that

00:28:55.000 it's an opera a diocese hospital i don't know if it's a hospital operated by the diocese nonetheless

00:29:00.420 i think the bishop would have authority to intervene to at least plead with this uh hospital

00:29:06.680 to provide this young man care until we find a facility that would be able to train so we could

00:29:12.220 transfer him to a facility that would be willing to treat him it's very difficult to do that but

00:29:15.860 we're trying and we're hopeful that we can find one if there's a field facility out there perhaps

00:29:20.800 that's listening someone that works for a facility that might be uh willing to to contact patricia

00:29:25.800 or uh to or the hospital to see if in fact they would accept him on transfer i mean that would

00:29:32.200 be very helpful i don't know if it's a good idea glenn to bombard the hospital with phone calls at this

00:29:36.880 point i don't know if that would be helpful but but it would be helpful to try and plead with the

00:29:41.500 bishop uh bishop weissenberger i believe his name is here in tucson to intervene uh and do you happen to

00:29:47.480 know do you happen to know how you'd contact you have a number or anything i don't have it in front

00:29:52.800 of me but okay i'll tweet it or facebook and i'll i'll get it in a few minutes bishop weissenberger is

00:29:58.180 his name it's in uh the diocese of tucson um yeah and and we're just we're asking for time glenn i mean

00:30:06.640 this is it's been less than a month that this happens to this young man and and what is the what is

00:30:11.620 the rush to end his life and to starve and dehydrate him to death without giving him the opportunity

00:30:16.280 we're fighting for time and i think that is the least that this hospital and these administrators

00:30:20.940 can give this young man uh uh particularly with the mother saying how responsive he was at least

00:30:27.080 initially i mean it's getting harder for him sure every day because he's being compromised by a lack

00:30:31.280 of food and hydration correct bobby i don't know how you do it all the time i don't know how you just

00:30:37.580 relive your worst part of your life with your sister um but you have dedicated your life to this and uh

00:30:44.620 you're a hero you're a modern day hero and i um i'm i'm honored to know you and just keep us

00:30:51.120 informed to tell us what we can do to help thanks glenn thanks for covering this uh god bless you i

00:30:56.180 really appreciate it bobby schindler from the uh terry schivo life and hope network

00:31:01.900 you're listening to the best of the glenn beck program

00:31:09.340 if you are a fan of the sigma force series as i am you will be thrilled that to know that james

00:31:26.120 rollins is on with us now he has a new novel out it's called crucible it is a thriller and it's

00:31:33.020 about witchcraft and yet it's not about witchcraft no i love to mix a little bit of history and a bit

00:31:39.260 of science so this starts way back during the spanish inquisition uh when there was a sort of a

00:31:44.380 you talked a little bit about how tech seems to impact uh daily life and that's what happened in the

00:31:49.820 past prior to the 1400s you know there was no great persecution of witches the the catholic church

00:31:56.920 seemed to be okay with witches but about the mid 1400s there was a uh volume that was produced

00:32:02.440 called the malleus malefarchum or the hammer of witches it was produced by a priest in 1487

00:32:07.740 this volume was a witch hunter's bible it's going to tell you how to find a witch torture a witch

00:32:14.920 persecuted witch basically fun reading now this book would have been lost for obscurity but for

00:32:20.660 one fact that it came out the same time of gutenberg's printing press so it was one of the first mass

00:32:26.940 produced books it was distributed across europe eventually over to the americas and it was that

00:32:32.200 one volume that's considered to be the sort of the match the spark that ignited the great witch purges

00:32:37.460 that swept europe for 400 centuries i mean 400 years and then eventually spread to salem here in the

00:32:43.000 states so you know when it comes to tech i'm sure when the gutenberg printing press everyone was going

00:32:47.820 oh it'll bring the world closer together knowledge will become you know a greater you know boom to

00:32:54.720 humanity and what did they use it for burn all witches yeah and they look at the internet today

00:33:00.980 you know when it first came out everybody says oh it'll bring people closer together it'll it'll you

00:33:05.300 know expand knowledge it'll be a great boon to mankind and we really are burn those witches we're 1.00

00:33:11.660 still burning those witches at this point so that's one of the you know so the crux of the story is

00:33:15.600 how uh you know tech sometimes sounds good and the tech in this book deals with artificial

00:33:20.320 intelligence and as you mentioned with the 5g and where we're headed right now in the tech world 1.00

00:33:24.640 and how it sounds good on paper but so tell me how this or tell me because i am i've been a fan of

00:33:31.840 yours for a very long time as you know thank you and uh i i think storytellers like you are so important

00:33:38.580 because people don't you know i could say hey uh i'm gonna spend the next week talking about tech

00:33:47.020 and how it's gonna change the world nobody really wants to hear it and at this point i don't think

00:33:53.400 the average american understands they don't believe they've been promised flying cars so when they

00:33:59.620 i'm still waiting for mine i know so when you hear five to ten years from now the world is going to be

00:34:06.060 completely different they put that in the flying car category right and this time it's different

00:34:12.500 so tell me the story that you created around the the warning that people like elon musk have been

00:34:19.220 giving right so it deals with a coming crisis one that the physicist stephen hawking says is going to

00:34:24.340 lead to the theoretical the end of human civilization elon musk says it's going to lead to world war

00:34:28.800 three vladimir putin says whoever controls this tech will control the world and that tech is

00:34:33.660 artificial intelligence it's the creation of the first sort of true human-like ai now that sounds

00:34:38.860 something like science fiction you know nowhere in my book do i have arnold schwarzenegger going into

00:34:42.940 the past and saving sarah connors right you know this is this is what's ripped from right you know i i call

00:34:48.080 these ai research i had 22 ai researchers for this novel and uh i posed the question to all of them well

00:34:54.760 you know it's scaring hawking and musk when's it when's it going to happen and they would said

00:35:02.340 you know sometime between like you said five to five to 15 years which again you can put rosy glass

00:35:07.820 and go well that you know i'm not going to worry about that today that's down the line except that

00:35:12.260 two of the researchers one in the one on the west coast and one in the midwest both of them told me oh

00:35:16.760 no jim it's already here you know we've got our ear to the third rail of ai research and we hear

00:35:22.920 what's rumbling and it would only rumble in that way if somebody was not already experimenting with

00:35:28.320 ai tech that's reached that level of of human of self-awareness and human level of intelligence

00:35:34.180 what are the rumbles that they hear did they say well it's in the book there's some proof in the book

00:35:39.620 that i had to change some names to avoid slander but some of the proof is in the book but they

00:35:43.140 showed me the proof and it was convincing that there is evidence at this point that some people

00:35:47.440 are experimenting because of certain types of tech that was being experimented on in different

00:35:51.720 segments because when you're talking about ai tech it's very subdivided everybody's in their

00:35:55.340 own little circle doing one part of it and so some of the research going in certain parts indicate

00:35:59.880 that somebody is already testing that a human level of ai tech so if we're not if they're not right

00:36:06.320 we're still within the next five to ten five to fifteen years of facing this we're going to face

00:36:10.720 something we've never faced before which is you know an intelligence we're sharing this planet with

00:36:14.260 that we've never seen before and it people don't understand people think oh it will be friendly to

00:36:18.860 human or we can keep it in a cage it's going to be thinking so fast it will be like a three-year-old

00:36:25.100 trying to block uh einstein from leaving a room exactly it's not going to happen um and uh and so

00:36:32.580 they think we can keep it in a cage or it will be friendly we have to understand this truly is an alien

00:36:39.080 life form so we have no i we're already learning this through things like go it doesn't think like us

00:36:45.980 no so we can't predict it at all i mean the founder of skype said that when this happens

00:36:51.420 we're talking about a consciousness that a we can't control and that we can't comprehend

00:36:55.540 and we're not going to be able to control it uh i know from you've done a lot of research on ai

00:37:01.300 yourself you know about the ai box experiment where they they put a ai researcher in a room

00:37:06.380 and a virtual locked up chat room and said hey you know i'll give you a cash prize if you keep me in

00:37:11.160 this chat room well a majority of them failed he got he escaped every single time and that was just

00:37:15.860 a human level of right of intelligence and his escapes because when i when ai has access to all

00:37:23.960 information and is credible saying look i know your mom has cancer i know and i'm telling you i can save

00:37:32.740 her i know what kind of cancer it is i have the solution humans immediately go man i you know what

00:37:40.300 it's too good yes i gonna release you i mean the for the cause of cancer i'm gonna release

00:37:45.120 he gets out every single time and that's not with a superior intelligence that's just man against man

00:37:50.900 and we're already at the point where ai scientists will admit they do not know how the the current

00:37:56.600 level of ai thinks even the narrow ai that we have in our pocket with siri or on our countertop with

00:38:00.960 alexa when you're talking about the advanced ai you put data in and an inference or an answer comes

00:38:06.720 out the other end they do not know how a want to be they cannot tell you how the ai the thought

00:38:11.880 process i went through to come to that conclusion it's called an algorithmic black box darpa just

00:38:16.920 spent 6.5 million over at oregon university to try to shine a light a little bit to try to figure out

00:38:21.680 how these things are thinking so we it's totally incomprehensible as the founder of skype said

00:38:26.340 we can't control it uh it's you know there's two camps there's a ray kurtzweil camp that thinks again

00:38:32.360 great boon for humanity will bring us closer yay i'm the camp did you talk no i wasn't able to speak

00:38:39.440 to ray no but you know i think the camp is going to be you know burn all witches you know it's going 0.64

00:38:44.220 to be something bad i think so too um i i i've talked to ray a couple of times and he is um

00:38:50.900 uh well a he doesn't believe in god so he doesn't believe in a soul so he doesn't he believes that we

00:38:56.980 are just an algorithm you know what i mean we're just a collection of synopsis that happens so i can

00:39:02.280 download you the human body is nothing right it's just the way you think and that's i just don't

00:39:06.920 believe that at all um uh and so that gives me a little bit of fear because he's just he looks at

00:39:14.940 life completely almost like an alien in some ways uh and he is too many of his answers to me have been

00:39:22.940 well it just won't happen that way well from the i had 22 ai researchers that were willing to talk to

00:39:30.100 me either via phone or via email um none of them were on the ray kurtzweil side they were all

00:39:37.080 very scared what's going on in this tech because of the fact that if whoever controls this tech

00:39:43.180 controls the world as vladimir putin has stated everybody's after every country's pursuing it

00:39:47.520 every corporation's pursuing it and they're pursuing without any very little safeguards they just want

00:39:51.520 to be the first one to grab that gold ring so i question well you know is there any path out of

00:39:57.260 this it's they said well there's a small camp you know where there's 99 researchers just pursuing

00:40:02.720 hell-bent to get that to that tech first there's a small percentage of them that are pursuing the

00:40:07.500 harder path a more expensive path unfortunately which is to correct try to create the first friendly

00:40:12.200 ai an ai that's sympathetic that's empathetic to us because we may need eventually somebody in our

00:40:18.280 back pocket like an ai that likes us that when a malignant ai arises which it will we have somebody to

00:40:24.300 be our champion so i thought well how do you do that how do you how do you have a moral compass in

00:40:28.400 a computer and they told me some of the ways that uh that are being done so i i ended up putting that

00:40:35.080 in the book okay so let's talk about that let's talk about the story and the book we're going to take

00:40:38.900 one minute break and then back with james rollins the name of the book is crucible um really important

00:40:45.340 to read if if you want to see over the horizon see the things we should be talking about and reading

00:40:51.000 about and thinking about uh read this book crucible by james rollins so james when you start writing a

00:40:57.720 book like this you do the research and is this something that you are is this something that

00:41:02.200 you are really passionate about do you write stories that you're like i think this is a real concern

00:41:07.160 well as a writer i'm always looking for that story where you know what science where science headed

00:41:12.560 what's what's around the horizon i'm looking for the stories that that scare me and me as a writer

00:41:17.660 it's one way of me of maybe assuaging some of that fear you know put it on paper get out of my head

00:41:24.320 right but also gives me an opportunity because i have a lot of contacts in darpa and various

00:41:27.840 institutes to find out you know what's you know let's pull outside the curtain a little bit you

00:41:30.780 know at the end of my book i have a what's true what's not section where i tell you exactly where

00:41:34.140 all this came from and if you want some leaves just some breadcrumbs to follow if you want to

00:41:37.860 because this uh when i got terrified after talking to these ai techs they were not reassuring at all

00:41:44.240 about where we're headed uh they're scared and they scared the the bejesus out of me yeah um so i i

00:41:50.020 knew i wanted to write that novel but but as a cautionary tale yes it's a roller coaster ride i'm

00:41:53.740 gonna i mean i burn most of paris down i fire firefights well they're already hurry because they're

00:41:58.680 already doing exactly i had to write this book fast before that happened right and uh so i you know

00:42:04.400 figured after hearing especially the gentleman that the two gentlemen said that were already there

00:42:08.580 is i better write this now because in three years i might not be able to write this i back three books

00:42:13.400 ago i i wrote a book that dealt with genetically engineering humans and i asked my my little team

00:42:18.660 of scientists that were willing to talk to me said well who would genetically alter embryos who would

00:42:23.120 try to you know forever change the inheritable gene pool of humanity and they were all like the chinese 1.00

00:42:28.100 so i wrote that book three years ago about the chinese altering human babies they're doing it and then 1.00

00:42:32.180 what happened yeah so my fear is that i've written this book today yeah you know what's it gonna look

00:42:36.820 like in three years or where we'll be we'll be after we'll be all questioning you know what it means

00:42:40.380 to share this planet with this this alien intelligence um how did you develop the uh and and why it's

00:42:48.940 almost a dan brown kind of approach except right dan brown kind of takes history and and the leads you

00:42:55.980 down this path where it is an ancient secret um and it's the catholic church and yada yada right

00:43:03.520 you're why did you select the witches is it just because of that and how did you weave that story in

00:43:09.320 well it starts in the past again just the beginning of this book there's a one of the characters monk is

00:43:14.400 flipping a coin in the air and his he's got a prosthetic that's so sensitive he's able to predict how that

00:43:19.900 coin will land he does basically the cheap drinks out of a bar so that's what tech is used for for

00:43:26.420 him and so in this book i was trying to shine a light on the fact that you know right now there's

00:43:31.160 a deep trench between science and religion uh but in the past it was not that way and uh sort of a

00:43:37.520 theme of a lot of my novels is trying to blur that line between science and religion is looking for

00:43:41.500 that common ground you know this i could after talking to these ai researchers i probably could have

00:43:46.860 written a non-fiction book about ai but i wanted to do a fiction book because it allows me to explore

00:43:52.380 a lot of the philosophical questions of what's coming up you know if we do create this alien

00:43:57.580 intelligence what does that mean does it have a soul do we have a responsibility to that can we

00:44:01.860 unplug it if it's actually self-aware um so those are the things i can explore in a novel that i can't

00:44:07.160 explore in in a non-fiction text so i said to i met with an ethicist um who was talking about how

00:44:14.300 ai uh robotics uh could be used to uh let uh you know child predators have their way with these

00:44:23.980 robots and they like to study and see if it and i said creepy very creepy and i said uh well um hang 0.96

00:44:32.820 on when we hit consciousness and we will yep um you are the worst kind of slave owner you are you've made 0.79

00:44:42.960 something and it's your creation you want to turn ai against you use it for those kinds of things and

00:44:51.840 she never even thought of it hadn't even occurred to her that way because people are not thinking

00:44:57.900 about something that's going to say i'm alive yep and how do you prove that it's not well this book i

00:45:05.440 introduce a point of view character it's a rudimentary ai named eve that was created by a young researcher on

00:45:11.580 the run with her tech and throughout the course of the novel um we see her trying to sculpt eve trying

00:45:17.880 to raise eve to become something like that's going to be a sympathetic empathetic ai and i'm using

00:45:25.240 techniques i learned from ibm and from some of the other researchers uh just how they were recommending

00:45:30.240 to sculpt this so i so i did that in the book but uh it's like raising a child ultimately like

00:45:35.680 question becomes when it comes to creating ai a nature versus nurture you know how much of a who we

00:45:40.380 are is our genetic code how much of who we are is the way we're raised and it's going to be the same

00:45:44.620 with ai there's a certain amount of of tech amount of code you can put into an ai to help maybe lean

00:45:50.700 it towards being uh empathetic and sympathetic but also it's going to be the way you raise it if you uh

00:45:57.140 if you you have this immature ai that's abused it's going to go one one track if if you if you treat

00:46:03.700 in a certain manner then maybe we can avoid the worst catastrophe by having an ai that's going to help us 0.78

00:46:08.420 or if you even treat it and you teach it to kill i mean the the idea that we are putting ai in drones

00:46:16.980 uh that we are putting them we want to put them in robots um you know for for some sort of you know

00:46:25.060 uh drone right war is is terrifying right now there's a big philosophical question among in the

00:46:32.400 military about who should give the kill order should it you know because right now we do have

00:46:38.240 a drones that are very much driven by ai right but right now we still have the kill order coming from

00:46:43.880 a human saying okay now shoot where they're they're willing to give that up they're willing to give the

00:46:48.800 kill order control over to the ai that's insane that's a worrisome moment in history it's really

00:46:54.800 really really insane uh what was the thing in the in doing the research that scared you the most

00:47:01.680 what scared me the most was the fact that we're already seeing ai that are losing control and 0.84

00:47:08.360 surprising their creators that was what startled me the most is the ai that said you know we're finding

00:47:13.860 at the at the fringes where they're really experimenting at the edges like alpha go alpha go zero

00:47:17.960 these computers are these ais are surprising their creators and to quote one of the researchers

00:47:24.400 they're doing unexpected things did you see the story about microsoft they they shut the program

00:47:30.660 down they had two programs talking to each other and writing and in the one they were speaking in a

00:47:36.140 secret language yes and within just a few minutes they developed their own language and no researcher

00:47:41.580 understood what they were even talking about and when the researchers asked the ai can you please

00:47:45.540 translate your conversation for us they said no they refused to translate it yep so that's just

00:47:52.520 think about that right there and they and microsoft stopped it and they they put a press release out no

00:47:57.660 it's just because it had run its course and we no i did really really you're what what scientist

00:48:03.900 isn't isn't interested in finding out more about a new language you shut that down because it scared

00:48:09.860 the hell out of you exactly james it's always good to have you on 0.52

00:48:14.200 you're listening to the best of the glenbeck program

00:48:21.300 you

00:48:39.860 the bill of rights has never been more important than it will be in the next five years

00:48:46.660 you have certain inalienable rights for instance right now the arkansas house of representatives

00:48:55.440 is is voting to ban forced microchipping of workers

00:49:01.780 now i i want you i want you to i want you to think about that they had to have a bill

00:49:10.740 and write a law that would ban employers from requiring an implant as a condition of employment

00:49:19.180 it would only allow people be to be microchipped if they give written consent and the employers would

00:49:26.480 be responsible for the cost of implanting and removing the chip a wisconsin company did this in

00:49:32.420 2017 they microchipped employees that agreed to have the chip implanted

00:49:37.400 um and it allowed people to open doors and buy snacks and and everything else the legislation um

00:49:46.640 is is just in anticipation of companies doing this now we know that the chinese are already doing this

00:49:54.720 um and it is terrifying you you have to know that we are in a new era and it is called surveillance

00:50:06.660 capitalism and i would call it everything in 1984 the book 1984 surveillance capitalism is your life is

00:50:17.740 going to be made so easy because everything you do will be surveilled and everything

00:50:24.500 will be running on the back of this 5g network and eventually ai once ai has access to all phone

00:50:34.880 calls you worry about the nsa there's not enough time to listen to all phone calls and read all text

00:50:42.620 and every keystroke but the nsa saves it but with ai and especially with um quantum computing which is

00:50:54.040 also around the corner it can calculate and listen and do everything that man cannot do

00:51:01.420 the reason why i bring this up is because we have to a educate ourselves on this and i know it sounds

00:51:11.020 like flying cars but please hear me this is coming the world will be completely different by 2025

00:51:20.660 completely different by 2025 as different as america has has seen changes as different as we are from

00:51:29.620 the year 2000 to the year 2019 that kind of change at bare minimum will be felt in the next five to six years

00:51:42.160 so please don't dismiss this but what we can concentrate on right now is a fight for life

00:51:52.920 liberty and the pursuit of happiness so your own kind of chart your own course get out of the thumb of

00:52:04.340 someone else that's your pursuit of happiness we're going to show you tonight a way to do that and

00:52:11.440 tonight we're going to show you how we could save the government and get out of debt immediately erase

00:52:19.240 the national deficit and we can do that just by privatizing some of the biggest agencies like tsa

00:52:27.560 and we'll take you through that tonight we should not be having this discussion of um of uh the shutdown

00:52:35.520 we should be talking about how can we change things to match tomorrow

00:52:40.320 so that's tonight

00:52:44.020 liberty we need to be able to talk about um the right to be able to speak and to think and to have your voice

00:52:56.560 heard this is something we're going to cover tomorrow tomorrow blaze media and blaze tv live

00:53:05.220 is going to do a two hour no commercial uh broadcast it will not be on television you will only be able to

00:53:14.520 get it uh by uh i think our facebook page and maybe youtube i'm not sure um but it will also be

00:53:23.800 on blaze tv where you will get everything and we invite you to subscribe now what we're doing is

00:53:29.980 media meltdown this is the beginning i hope of something that is a ongoing conversation it will be

00:53:40.020 between you and i tomorrow we're bringing in all of the big hosts that can come in and we're checking

00:53:47.000 in with others but we have 30 different hosts um and we're going to have the conversation about

00:53:54.080 the media and where it is today and how if they are willing to make things up like they did last week

00:54:04.000 and willing to destroy a kid when the evidence of video shows none of that is true what won't they do

00:54:14.180 in 2020 if the media decides that they have to be the fact checker for everyone and they convince

00:54:29.300 facebook and microsoft and google that they're going to be the ones that provide the blue or green check

00:54:37.640 mark how do they decide that i can't tell you that cnn is a wholly unreliable source i can tell you that cnn

00:54:49.420 has an agenda on this or that and they see things differently and at times they are wholly inaccurate

00:54:59.180 and intentionally like they were last week but sometimes they get it right so should we if we were

00:55:07.320 the ones in charge should we ban cnn or say that they're an awful uh news outlet or should we say 0.90

00:55:15.700 be cautious be cautious be aware and that's what should be said for the right and the left

00:55:22.760 but it shouldn't be something new be cautious when microsoft came out with their red shield last week

00:55:30.920 and they put the blaze under a red shield saying we're gonna we need to protect you from this because

00:55:37.520 we're not sure how how accurate they are i take that as a badge of honor it means that i don't agree with

00:55:46.860 microsoft i don't agree with the mainstream media i won't feed that to you i'm an independent thinker

00:55:56.780 and i don't agree with the bill and melinda gates foundation amen thank you i'd like that red shield

00:56:04.620 from you please microsoft unfortunately what that shield will do eventually the algorithms will start

00:56:12.540 suppressing voices like mine and like yours so what do we do that's the subject tomorrow as we begin

00:56:22.880 this national conversation and we believe in it so much no commercials it's raw and you can find it

00:56:31.660 tomorrow at blaze tv.com slash beck you'll also be able to find it on our facebook page it starts

00:56:38.880 6 p.m eastern please please if you want to be a part of the solution make sure you join us uh tomorrow

00:56:47.780 and the last one is life life liberty and the pursuit of happiness we are so devaluing life right now that

00:56:57.620 people actually cheered for the passing of a partial birth abortion law people are actually cheering cheering

00:57:08.440 when people say my first abortion was really my best 0.98

00:57:13.620 we've changed as people

00:57:20.140 we're going to be debating soon

00:57:25.700 is ai life

00:57:28.020 is that alive

00:57:29.520 i can't tell the difference between something alive

00:57:32.440 and it

00:57:34.040 did we just create life

00:57:35.880 we're going to be worried about ai life

00:57:40.380 and our life under ai but ai will first learn what life is worth from us

00:57:47.680 and if we are killing people like we are

00:57:50.820 um as we sold told you today there is a a native american and i only point out that he's native american

00:57:59.280 because last week everybody on the left cared about native americans

00:58:02.740 he's a father of two

00:58:05.640 he had a stroke on new year's eve

00:58:09.760 a week ago

00:58:12.480 after two after two weeks his family is there he's responding with hand signals and moving his feet and everything else

00:58:19.580 the hospital declares him bank brain dead and no hope

00:58:24.060 and so they leave the ventilator tube in

00:58:28.140 and then they starve him and dehydrate him

00:58:32.400 he is now i think on day 14 of no fluids and no food

00:58:37.300 and

00:58:38.500 he's starving to death

00:58:40.780 is this who we are

00:58:43.460 i posted how you could help on my facebook and twitter

00:58:48.740 so you can go there you can find his gofundme page

00:58:52.060 to help pay for the bills because that's what really everybody's worried about

00:58:55.560 they don't care about life

00:58:56.820 they care about how much is this going to cost

00:58:58.780 his family is being traumatized

00:59:02.480 and our culture is being lost

00:59:04.860 our culture that believes in the dignity of life is being lost

00:59:09.940 and things are only going to be more confusing from here

00:59:14.920 i feel

00:59:16.900 great urgency

00:59:20.080 to tell you

00:59:22.400 please

00:59:24.260 get out of politics

00:59:26.920 and start talking about the politics of meaning

00:59:30.140 and things that will make a difference

00:59:32.600 because i think we're running out of time

00:59:38.520 both democrats and republicans

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