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00:02:54.100 peter how are you sir peter swizer is is joining us now uh he is um with the government accountability

00:03:07.000 institute he's the president also the uh author of uh red-handed and the co-host of the drill down

00:03:14.780 peter how are you i'm great glenn always terrific to be with you thanks for having me

00:03:19.720 you bet so i i don't even know where to begin on this can we start with the

00:03:23.840 tony bobolinski thing sure oh my gosh absolutely politifact we investigated the claims of tony

00:03:31.780 bobolinski a former business partner of hunter biden on fox news this week there is no credible

00:03:38.480 evidence that joe biden played a role in his family foreign business activities

00:03:43.000 yeah it's it's pretty remarkable politics fact is saying that when hunter biden has acknowledged that

00:03:52.340 his dad played a role joe biden has acknowledged that he played a role james biden who is joe biden's

00:03:59.460 brother acknowledges that his brother played a role and of course you have in black and white

00:04:05.140 the communications that tony bobolinski released and turned over to the fbi that shows joe biden's

00:04:11.620 playing a role so this is another example of these fact-checking organizations digging their own graves

00:04:18.520 they have zero credibility and they're apparently prepared to die on this hill uh which let them do it

00:04:25.120 um it it just means that people take them even less seriously than they do already so so help me out

00:04:30.860 um give me some give me some of the hard evidence that shows that joe was absolutely involved

00:04:39.520 uh well first of all you have the communications um and the communications uh specifically say

00:04:47.200 that joe biden was involved and so what does that mean well they would make they would have

00:04:52.080 conversations uh and hunter would refer to the big guy and tony bobolinski he's released these messages

00:04:58.740 uh would contact the other business partners who had brought him into the deal with the biden's and

00:05:04.520 in the communications he would say who is the big guy and they would say that's joe biden but don't

00:05:10.240 talk about it they're very sensitive about it um so it was acknowledged that way you have the

00:05:16.220 communications about the so-called cefc deal this is the chinese energy company with chairman yi um that

00:05:24.180 tony was brought into um you have the 10 for the big guy um well the big guy is the word that is used

00:05:33.200 in all the other communications for talking about joe biden so that's all explicit in tony bobolinski's

00:05:40.760 communications um you have uh communications from hunter biden on the laptop uh that have been

00:05:47.620 released there's ones where they wanted to do a business deals overseas and hunter biden texts his

00:05:53.660 business partners and says i've run my by my dad and my dad is going to help so i mean it it's it's to me

00:06:01.180 it's patently ludicrous uh to even be arguing and discussing about this anymore you could have a

00:06:07.780 conversation about how deeply he was involved and i would argue it's pretty deep you could have a

00:06:13.800 conversation that says well i don't think he was really knowing everything that was going on

00:06:18.540 but the notion that joe biden was ignorant of all of this that he didn't know anything about it that

00:06:24.240 he didn't benefit financially that debate settled and it's not settled by peter schweitz or tony

00:06:29.180 bobolinski it's settled by the actual communications whether it's hunter's laptop or the communications that

00:06:36.320 tony bobolinski had with hunter and with his business partners um do you think there's an enough

00:06:42.600 evidence that it is a clear almost open shut case for impeachment uh i do yes uh and i do think on a

00:06:53.200 couple of levels first of all let's remember uh this is about corruption but it's about something i would

00:06:59.460 argue that's even more troubling and damaging than that and this is i hope what will be the the

00:07:06.060 point number one uh if the republicans take the house and investigate and subpoena hunter biden

00:07:11.780 point number one needs to be not just that they got this some 31 million dollars from these chinese

00:07:18.100 entities but who were the actual businessmen that sent the money chairman yi of cefc has direct ties

00:07:28.700 to chinese intelligence again it's not debatable you look at his bio you look at who he worked for

00:07:34.380 he was linked to chinese intelligence you look at other money that was transferred there's a gentleman

00:07:40.240 that transferred five million dollars to hunter biden he was at the exact same time business partners

00:07:47.000 with the vice minister of the ministry of state security whose job was recruiting foreigners to spy on

00:07:54.960 china unbelievable so to me the question glenn is yeah corruption absolutely the question is explain to me

00:08:02.480 hunter biden and joe biden how your family it's not just hunter your family got 31 million dollars

00:08:08.640 from these chinese four chinese businessmen with links to chinese intelligence you did no discernible

00:08:15.040 service in return and what did the chinese get out of the deal they did not send you 31 million

00:08:21.480 dollars because they think you're nice guys that should be issue number one this is a question of

00:08:26.880 compromise compromise compromise as they used to say during the cold war and it's a question of foreign

00:08:33.040 intelligence penetration of the first family of the united states that's issue number one as far as i'm

00:08:39.120 concerned russia's dominance in the global nuclear fuel market presents a massive challenge for washington

00:08:46.980 secretary of energy jennifer granholm said president biden is redoubling his efforts to break

00:08:54.440 the u.s reliance on russian nuclear fuel indicating domestic uranium enrichment capacity could be

00:09:01.680 increased with upcoming key legislation we're going to get congressional support in a bipartisan way for

00:09:08.200 us to make our own fuel supply cycle chain independent certainly independent of russia we have to make this

00:09:16.260 happen for our own independence and for our national security peter what's the problem with that story

00:09:23.620 what what is missing in that story well what's missing in that story glenn is one of the big reasons

00:09:31.260 that we are so dependent on russian uranium now and let's remember when the biden administration

00:09:37.460 said we're not going to take any russian oil because of their invasion of ukraine they excluded

00:09:44.620 cutting off the supply of russian uranium because we're so dependent on it so how did we get at this

00:09:50.180 one of the reasons one of the reasons was this deal that we talked about on your program several years

00:09:55.900 ago uranium one this was a nuclear uranium company that was initially controlled by a canadian named

00:10:06.540 frank justra who is a big bill clinton donor and they went over to kazakhstan to meet with president

00:10:13.360 nazarbayev the head of that country uh and said look we want to buy all these lucrative mines that you have

00:10:20.000 producing uranium in your country give them to us i'm a canadian this is a former president of the

00:10:24.960 united states uh and we'll take good care of it juicester got those mines purchased them paid uh some

00:10:32.480 hundred million dollars to the clinton foundation for bill showing up here's the problem juicester then

00:10:38.540 flipped and sold those mines as well as mines that he controlled in the united states to who

00:10:44.520 to rosatom the soviet state-owned uranium company that now dominates the market so we have a situation

00:10:52.400 where part of the reason that we are so dependent on russian uranium part of the reason that they have

00:10:58.120 been able to almost effectively corner the global market is because is because bill clinton helped

00:11:04.840 facilitate this deal that gave russia control over uranium mines in the united states but even more

00:11:11.940 importantly some of the most powerful and lucrative and proficient uranium mines in kazakhstan and that

00:11:19.780 is why we are over a barrel today frank juicester made a lot of money in the deal bill clinton and

00:11:25.460 the clinton foundation made a lot of money in the deal the problem is the american people got screwed

00:11:30.980 because it enhanced our dependence on russian uranium and that's where we are today and if i'm not mistaken

00:11:37.860 because it's been a while since i've looked at this story um um it was all kind of done hush hush uh

00:11:45.360 just kind of rushed through the committees it should have never gone through because it is uh a national

00:11:52.820 risk to put everything there and hillary clinton uh said oh i didn't i didn't i wasn't involved in this

00:12:00.360 at all i don't know i just know that uh i just know that you know the government found that it wouldn't

00:12:05.180 be putting our government at risk and our nation at risk so you know we're going to go through with

00:12:10.340 it isn't what didn't the story happen something like that yeah it is so this deal the sale of

00:12:16.700 uranium one which was an american uranium company to the russian state-owned company rossatom

00:12:23.560 required approval by this federal government body in the obama administration called cifius the

00:12:29.060 committee on foreign investment in the united states uh and you would think this is a pretty big deal

00:12:34.180 right are we really going to put putin in charge of all of this uranium uh the deal went through

00:12:39.980 quickly hillary clinton of course has a seat on cifius she claimed she didn't remember anything

00:12:45.820 about it and you have all these other actors of of the clinton era and some currently of the

00:12:51.560 biden administration that were involved involved glenn so remember john podesta who was of course an

00:12:57.000 advisor to the clintons his brother tony podesta was actually a lobbyist for uranium one

00:13:03.880 on these kinds of deals um you had john podesta himself that was involved in energy companies that

00:13:11.100 were backed by uh russian state-owned investment firms joe biden's current energy envoy who is

00:13:18.180 negotiating some of these deals involving oil and uranium is a guy named amos hockstein um he was a

00:13:26.220 lobbyist for a russian company called 10x which is basically a a sister company for uranium one uh if

00:13:34.740 you look at jake sullivan jake sullivan who of course is the current national security advisor

00:13:39.820 signed off on bill clinton when all these deals are going down russian entities are paying bill clinton

00:13:46.640 inflated speaking fees half a million dollar a pop who is approving those deals a guy named jake

00:13:52.900 sullivan who now happens to be the national security advisor for joe biden so this is a problem

00:13:58.900 where it's not just something from the past it's something that involves decision makers in the

00:14:04.380 present too i have to tell you it is so frustrating i think it is for the average person you know any of

00:14:10.480 this stuff would happen with you know me or you we'd all be in jail um the clinton foundation is so

00:14:17.740 incredibly transparent on its corruption you know it goes away when trump is in office just goes away

00:14:24.740 no we're shutting it down and then lo and behold biden gets in we're opening it up again open for

00:14:31.700 business all of the people i mean you're either committed to helping people or you're committed to

00:14:38.560 making money and brokering deals and it is so transparent is this thing ever going to be

00:14:46.140 taken care of it's hard to know i mean part of the problem glenn is is as you know you've studied

00:14:53.160 washington all this time as i have there are ways to do corrupt things in washington that are profoundly

00:15:00.020 corrupt if you do them the long way wrong way you're going to jail if you do them the right way

00:15:04.520 you can get away with it so we're dealing with very smart people who hire very high-priced lawyers

00:15:11.260 to dance around and create subterfuge for what they're really doing to give it an air or a veneer

00:15:19.500 in my mind of legality um so that's part of the problem that you have inherently i i think the

00:15:25.640 ultimate solution here is shame and exposure and the hope that that is going to lead to actual

00:15:34.560 criminal investigation and i think look coming up in november we're going to have these elections

00:15:39.640 the balance of the house of representatives and senate uh is in question uh and my point is you

00:15:46.460 have to have independent bodies that are prepared to bring out what information we know to hold hunter

00:15:53.420 biden in account it's very clear the fbi is not going to hold hunter biden into account they're not

00:15:59.420 going to investigate uranium one so it means we have to have congressional committees with subpoena power

00:16:05.100 doing it that's only going to happen if the republicans have the majority in the house and

00:16:09.720 senate so a lot of these matters hang in the balance as to who will be controlling congress

00:16:14.780 after the november elections i just hope there's enough in there that uh are not corrupt that you

00:16:22.340 know they're not they're not being blackmailed to not get involved or just are like you know what i'm

00:16:28.920 gonna sit on the sidelines because i don't i don't want my name being brought up at all um yeah i fear

00:16:34.940 that could happen easily yeah and glenn i mean look here's the thing um a lot of people are talking

00:16:41.720 about this right now if we retake the house uh we are going to investigate x y and z uh if they fail to

00:16:49.420 do that um that to me will be the dagger in the heart uh basically of the republican party uh and of

00:16:56.840 conservatives um because people are fed up with the lip service being paid to we're going to hold

00:17:02.920 them into account um so that's really i think where the stakes are and you're quite right just because

00:17:08.480 somebody says they're going to do it in washington you're going to pay a price if you start dredging

00:17:13.400 up and talking about chinese deals involving the first family of the united states a lot of other stuff

00:17:19.920 is going to come to the fore and there's a lot of people in powerful positions on the republican side

00:17:24.980 who don't want that to happen either so that's why we've got to hold their feet to the fire

00:17:29.060 i know you've done that that's what i'm hoping to do and let's hope the people listening are prepared

00:17:34.480 to do that and let their elected officials know this matters to them and this is of profound importance

00:17:40.560 i've told many officials in washington dc um that are republicans i said you guys have one more shot

00:17:47.420 this is it this is it if you win the house and especially if you win the house and the senate

00:17:53.300 and you aren't standing up and and protecting the american people and the constitution and putting

00:18:01.200 bad guys on trial and then cleaning up the fbi and justice department so they can actually put them

00:18:10.040 in jail if you're not doing that you are absolutely done just like you said the last chance i'm glad to

00:18:18.620 hear you believe that too absolutely thanks glad it's always great to be with you great talking to

00:18:24.600 you peter swizer he is um the author of red handed and the co-host of the podcast the drill down

00:18:32.060 peter swizer president of the government accountability institute wouldn't it be nice if we had government

00:18:39.060 accountability we can bring it back vote get out and vote

00:18:46.160 you're listening to the best of the glenbeck program

00:18:52.580 welcome to the glenbeck program we're glad you're here i want to give you some good news

00:19:03.280 some good news first of all can we play the cut from cnn so i mean we don't have to fact check this

00:19:10.380 this is their side saying this democrats are losing ground with some very important voters

00:19:18.520 take a look here this is black voters electoral preferences and pre-election polling look black

00:19:24.080 voters are the part the core part of the democratic party and as you can see here in the race for

00:19:29.180 congress look they're still getting 74 support in the pre-election polling right now but compare that

00:19:34.460 to the final polling for 2020 president and 2018 congress back in 2020 it was 84 85 in 2018 so you're

00:19:42.940 clearly seeing right here that there is less support for democratic candidates for congress among

00:19:47.840 african americans and you can look at the republican column as well and you can see that 12 not exactly

00:19:53.020 high but that's actually the high water market was nine percent in 2020 nine percent in 2018 so

00:19:58.760 basically what was about a 75 76 point margin is now down in the low 60s so look democrats still well

00:20:05.920 ahead with african americans but in a game in which you're trying to drive up margins the margin among

00:20:10.760 african americans for democrats is clearly down and i'll bet you that the the eagerness to go out and

00:20:18.160 vote for a democrat is also down you mean the passion the passion yeah passion is dying i mean it's not

00:20:24.260 just black voters hispanic voters we're seeing the same types of things uh even when they don't

00:20:29.900 necessarily go to the republican side to vote for the candidate they are often abandoning the democrat

00:20:35.420 and this is something you're seeing across the board you know what does it materialize in the

00:20:41.160 elections i guess we'll see we still have five weeks to go but that's it it's we're five weeks away

00:20:46.500 from this thing now uh joe biden's approval rating is 42.7 this according to msnbc they say put that in

00:20:54.120 perspective with modern presidents their first midterm biden's right at the same level trump

00:20:58.780 obama and bill clinton in which were brutal midterms for them and the democrats the only exception in

00:21:05.240 modern times is george w bush a year after 9 11 um trump he lost the house in 18 obama his party lost the

00:21:14.120 party in 10 uh clinton his party lost the house in 94 biden's approval rating is right in that same

00:21:22.260 range yeah and there's there's a theory out there that somehow democrats are going to outperform biden

00:21:29.440 they there's been some evidence of this in the polling where you know these senate races in the

00:21:36.740 environment where your president has a 39 40 41 approval rating you'd expect republicans to be

00:21:43.340 performing better in some of these senate races that is that's sort of held up in the polling so

00:21:49.060 far it's hard to to imagine a world where that plays out though right i mean you know like we were

00:21:54.780 talking about this with blake masters when he was in here actually i think after he had left and that

00:21:59.600 you know if if carrie lake is winning the race for governor in arizona is there a world in which carrie

00:22:06.440 like wins this race and blake masters loses by nine like what world is that what what what what

00:22:12.720 situation is there that much ticket splitting in the year 2022 this used to happen way back in the

00:22:18.220 day where there would be a lot of ticket splitting that's almost completely evaporated over the past

00:22:22.740 few elections i think that is i think that's possible in arizona uh because arizona has a libertarian

00:22:29.960 that is running as a democrat now you tell me when the democrats actually wanted a libertarian

00:22:36.640 running as a well he's he's a more of a democrat leaning person who's running as a libertarian is

00:22:43.460 what you're saying yeah yeah he's a it's it's funded funded by the democrats voting is is almost not

00:22:51.440 it's very rarely the factor in in elections you know the the it's it's always talked up early polls

00:22:59.240 always have these third parties up at eight and ten percent and then at the end of the day that

00:23:03.380 doesn't wind up playing out i will say there was a poll that came out today from cbs news uh masters

00:23:09.040 versus kelly where kelly's only up by three and that's this race has narrowed significantly if he's

00:23:15.220 if he's um only behind by two and carrie lake wins and wins big her coattails will carry him the rest

00:23:25.440 the way i think that's sort of the question in georgia as well where kemp seems like he's blowing

00:23:31.440 out abrams at this point um i mean you know as much as he's going to blow it out in a purple state

00:23:36.900 but like going to win relatively handily it seems in that state and you wonder if herschel walker will

00:23:44.160 be dragged along with that um you know obviously there's been a lot of controversy over the past

00:23:48.700 couple days with walker that we've talked about but there is a uh you know where he is even down

00:23:55.020 a couple points up a couple points in every poll very very close to a pure toss-up when it comes to

00:23:59.460 the polls but kemp is significantly ahead and is there a lot are there a lot of people in georgia

00:24:04.620 that are going to say you know what i think kemp is doing a good job as governor i think he's led the

00:24:08.660 state well however i also am going to vote for rafael warnock i mean is there a huge amount of people

00:24:16.460 doing that there may be we may find out that that's the case but it's it's a weird thing in

00:24:21.600 this environment where we've seen that ticket splitting and crossing those party lines evaporate

00:24:26.840 almost completely it's going to have to make a big comeback for these polls to be right and for the

00:24:31.620 media narratives to be right you know um it's interesting to me uh what's happening to herschel

00:24:39.360 walker uh yeah and it is something that you you know everybody has to prey on and um but you know

00:24:46.780 he's getting such heat because he paid for an abortion allegedly allegedly we should point out

00:24:52.640 before we even get into the story at all this is a one source story from the daily freaking beast

00:24:58.920 if the story is true it may be true i mean we've talked to herschel walker about all sorts of problems

00:25:04.480 this guy had back in the day back in the day his story is one where he said he led with look i was

00:25:10.360 a disaster at one point in my life and i've changed that was this entire narrative of his campaign but

00:25:15.160 like we should all put this in perspective there's no reason to believe this story because it comes from

00:25:20.960 the daily beast well what if they have they ever reported an accurate story in the history of the

00:25:25.120 publication not that i know that i know of yeah uh they're hatchet jobs but one thing that that

00:25:30.980 comes to mind is i don't mind if he was doing this now you know like six months ago a year ago i'd

00:25:38.000 have a problem with it but i was under the understanding that he you know he had made huge

00:25:44.560 huge mistakes yeah and he is solidly pro-choice now pro-life or pro-life thank you so i mean why

00:25:52.040 right why would you vote for warnock who you know is going to use public funds for abortions and abortions

00:26:00.340 like you can't even imagine okay abortion festivals on the weekends celebrating your abortion or the

00:26:06.440 guy who made a huge error if under if he's denying that by the way even if he did it made a huge error

00:26:16.080 and then is like you know what it changed my life it changed my life i mean look we we've talked to

00:26:22.200 we have literally interviewed former terrorists on the air yeah we have interviewed criminals on the

00:26:28.500 air people who have murdered people in the past this is the story if it's a story of redemption

00:26:34.840 it's a story of redemption you know this happened with uh what was it kevin hart remember back in the

00:26:39.200 day uh he was going to host the oscars i think and the left they dug up some like jokes that were

00:26:45.940 like kind of borderline on like being homophobic or something i don't remember the exact details of it

00:26:50.720 and then they they tossed him out and you didn't get to host the oscars and it's like we made the the

00:26:56.600 the argument at the at the point if you think what he did was bad 10 years ago and now he's coming out

00:27:02.420 and saying well i don't do that anymore and i think what i did before was wrong or that activity is

00:27:07.700 wrong and i'm not going to do that i'm not involved in fact i want the opposite that's the story you

00:27:13.000 want yeah you want the story of someone who may have made terrible mistakes in the past and has now

00:27:19.720 realized the error of his ways and is now doing the opposite in this society no longer true they don't

00:27:25.300 believe in in redemption redemption now the complicated is an anti-christ not the anti-christ

00:27:32.440 but an anti-christ kind of teaching right redemption is obviously vitally vital it's why he came now in

00:27:38.480 this particular case it's a little complicated because walker is denying it so i you have to

00:27:43.560 number one believe the daily beast which i it's hard to imagine anyone doing uh but secondarily if he

00:27:51.440 is let's say lying about this then it's not a redemption story and i guess this is what they're

00:27:56.860 hanging their hats on because i don't understand why the left would care about this at all they are

00:28:01.200 saying it's a fundamental human right to abort children they should be they should all be

00:28:05.460 crossing the aisle to vote for him now hypocrisy oh they could never stand hypocrisy that's not

00:28:11.740 something they embrace every other opportunity oh sure i mean look you have to make your i don't you

00:28:16.580 know you've got to vote for who you think is the right person you got to make your decision on this

00:28:20.180 stuff that's for every individual to decide you can't let the media certainly not the trash heap

00:28:26.840 that is the daily beast decide these things for you though um let me give you a couple of other

00:28:31.280 things uh in oregon it it looks as like the tide has turned on the democrats it looks like for the

00:28:38.360 first time since the 80s a republican governor is a real shot and in the last i think nine polls

00:28:47.600 she's led the democrat in oregon in oregon if i mean if they're in trouble in oregon odds against uh

00:28:58.080 according to the daily caller odds of the um the democrats winning pennsylvania and the senate race

00:29:03.800 that's also slipping uh whitmer has endorsed a candidate um yeah unfortunately that candidate

00:29:14.320 was investigated for alleged school shooting threats several times and was also on parole for i think

00:29:22.580 uh assaulting a police officer and she endorsed him said he's fantastic and yeah now that all the

00:29:29.920 facts are out uh no not not so much not not not so fantastic so i mean the things are just not going

00:29:38.020 in the right direction for the democrats yeah now the the oregon race is interesting a couple times

00:29:42.680 you think of oregon as just being a blue state but their governor races have been pretty close i mean

00:29:48.080 five six points has been the typical margin there the one thing that's a little bit uh you have to put

00:29:53.200 a little bit of an asterisk on this is that there is a an independent in this race that's up near

00:29:57.220 20 percent of the vote so will that hold up we just talked about how third-party candidates

00:30:02.520 oftentimes show more in the polls early and then fade toward the end that could be the case here

00:30:07.840 i hope it's not who is that candidate taking people johnson an independent i don't know i don't

00:30:12.720 know the race well enough to i mean it seems like from both sides at some level because they're both

00:30:17.760 i mean the the average poll right now is 30 36 33 and then 18 for the independent in the race

00:30:25.640 so that but that's still a pretty significant thing and oregon's not a pure blue state it's not

00:30:32.360 new york california it's rhode island right it's it's these races are tempting to republicans the

00:30:41.440 same thing we're seeing in washington right now um there's a i think there's a chance that person

00:30:46.360 wins the republican the in the senate yeah and it's it's interesting it's hard to believe because i think

00:30:52.800 we all think okay it's the west coast these races never come through people have had enough but i think

00:30:57.660 you're right now that race is you know within 10 points um tiffany smiley is the candidate the

00:31:02.580 republicans republicans really like her they think she has a real future uh they have a lot of hopes

00:31:06.960 for her uh it's not an easy race of course uh patty murray's been around forever she's been she's

00:31:12.880 right around 50 percent of the vote but it's a it's like a 50 42 race right now closer than you would

00:31:18.020 normally expect in these races and i think you could see it getting even closer the last wave election

00:31:24.680 in this for this seat was back in 2010 when you had the tea party wave the biggest wave election in

00:31:31.020 100 years for republicans that race was about a four point race that for patty murray she still won

00:31:36.340 but she won by four so these can get close in these states but republicans really need to have

00:31:43.000 a great climate for that to actually happen i think it's there i think we just don't see it

00:31:49.160 uh because there is no tea party rallies and and things like that yeah i think people are just

00:31:55.300 doing it in their everyday life and they're like oh i because everybody i know oh i'm voting that is

00:32:01.860 interesting too glenn there's not really a big protest movement nope for on the right right now

00:32:07.260 there's a lot of interesting is that is interesting you don't have that organized protest movement i don't

00:32:14.280 know what the reason for that is exactly i mean i think i talked to a lot of conservatives they're

00:32:19.220 they're all pretty upset but there isn't that like organizational thing that seemed to pop up from

00:32:24.660 the 912 project and the tea party back in the day and many other times in the history the best of the

00:32:30.120 glenn beck program

00:32:31.100 andrew doyle uh the author of the new puritans welcome to the program sir

00:32:40.140 good to talk to you yeah i have i have so many i have so many questions and very few of them have

00:32:46.700 to do with your article after doing some research on you um okay uh but no but well let's let's get

00:32:53.580 to the book first because that's the reason why i have you on and um you know your your article that

00:32:59.280 you wrote on spiked uh online.com how to take on the new puritans is i was shocked that this was

00:33:07.100 coming from somebody in the uk because this is exactly the thinking in the united states as well

00:33:12.480 and i'm glad to see that this is this is seemingly i think everywhere i think so i think more and more

00:33:18.740 people are waking up to the problem uh it's taking longer in certain countries than others i think

00:33:23.160 canada is probably pretty much lost on this one wow uh but certainly you know a lot of this stuff

00:33:28.900 did originate in the u.s and but but over here we're finding a lot of these ideas are being imported

00:33:34.520 into our major institutions as well so you would think that something like critical race theory

00:33:39.260 which which is so sort of grounded in american history wouldn't really make sense in a country

00:33:44.820 like the uk but actually it's just been sort of imported wholesale and applied in public policy

00:33:49.960 government policy the police our health service all sorts of areas uh similarly with gender identity

00:33:55.600 ideology all of this stuff is just being sort of passed through rushed through uh our major cultural

00:34:02.100 political political educational institutions um in in the way that it has in america and now with

00:34:06.960 with the we're seeing evidence of a kind of pushback against it so i've been saying for a while that this

00:34:12.680 is you know when uh nietzsche was right when when you lose your god men will find a god and we found

00:34:21.440 our new god and this is a religion with its own doctrine and and theology and uh it is unforgiving uh if you

00:34:30.620 if you're an apostate i think it's useful to think of it in terms of a religion as a kind of analogy

00:34:36.400 more than anything else i mean it is a secular religion it's a godless religion it's it's it's it's

00:34:41.640 it is different but it does have it makes it explicable if you think of it in those terms because here you

00:34:47.520 have a movement a sort of furbid ideological movement that brooks no dissent at all it considers

00:34:53.460 anyone who strays from its past to be uh heretics uh it can it will have you excommunicated uh in the

00:35:01.360 way the catholic church used to do um it it has its own holy language its own kind of mysterious

00:35:07.060 language and phrases that it likes to use uh phrases like toxic masculinity or cis heteronormativity or

00:35:13.260 or whatever it might be you know um trans women are women they just they just have these phrases

00:35:17.860 these shibboleths these slogans um and people are expected to just go along with it without thinking

00:35:23.340 for themselves i mean it's much like uh i i suppose they're like the medieval clergy just sort of

00:35:28.940 saying we know best yeah you have to agree with us and if you don't agree with us uh then we'll come

00:35:33.780 after you and they've got they've got this thing called cancel culture which is of course

00:35:36.860 a method of public shaming ritual humiliation it can deprive people of their livelihoods

00:35:41.860 their reputation it's often very merciless it's often disproportionate to the to the perceived

00:35:47.800 slight you know someone could do something very minor just make a a misjudged comment on twitter and

00:35:52.600 they can have their lives utterly destroyed so it's it's um it's different from christianity insofar

00:35:58.180 as it has no mercy yeah it's the exact opposite it's the exact opposite redemption or anything like

00:36:04.880 that so it's more like a kind of rather than saying it's a religion i suppose it's more like a

00:36:08.840 a fundamentalist religion you had in in your article and i'd like to talk to you about this

00:36:14.460 and and tie it to the book i thought one of the things that you said in your article that was so

00:36:19.020 um uh powerful was the thought experiment let's just have a little thought experiment um and you

00:36:27.920 talk about the school district in canada would be burning thousands of books because the contents are

00:36:33.040 offensive to modern sensibilities and that they would refer to this as a flame purification

00:36:38.820 ceremony um yes do you think that would have happened a decade ago the answer is no but you

00:36:45.420 read that and you think my gosh i can't believe people believe this people have sort of not uh

00:36:52.040 realized how quickly and rapidly they've they've started to accept these absolutely incredible

00:36:56.760 things as normal i mean that's what i was saying in the article and i say in the book is that you know

00:37:01.100 if you'd have asked if you can put yourself in your own mindset as you were 10 15 years ago

00:37:06.160 and if you could say these things would be happening now we would be in a position where

00:37:11.060 a a boy who might be a bit effeminate or a girl who likes to play football that they would be

00:37:16.060 encouraged to believe they're in the wrong body you would have police investigating you for non-crime

00:37:21.100 hate incidents which is very regular that happens in the uk doesn't happen in america

00:37:24.740 you have the first member but it happens here um you know all of these things you know the ottawa

00:37:30.240 um school board that i mentioned because you know they they burned they removed thousands of books

00:37:35.860 from 30 different school libraries and burned some of them and and like you say called it a flame

00:37:41.640 purification ceremony and you know you have to be pretty historically illiterate not to see the

00:37:47.140 sinister implications of that but no one would have believed that any of this could have happened

00:37:50.920 no one would have believed for instance that you would have schools segregating people by skin

00:37:55.560 color for after school activities which is what has happened here in london at the america school

00:37:59.860 it's called the america school but it's a british school day in fact the most expensive uh day school

00:38:04.660 in the uk in in uh in california you have the brentwood school segregating parents uh for for teacher

00:38:11.040 feedback sessions and they were segregating by skin color you've got lots of universities you now want

00:38:15.340 they already have lgbt only dorms or or are proposing uh dorms specifically for for black students i mean

00:38:23.420 all of this stuff which is incredibly obviously regressive um and it's all happened really over

00:38:28.160 the past 12 years no more than that it's all happened very very quickly and people just need

00:38:32.160 to put that into context and think about where they were 10 years ago would anyone have expected

00:38:36.540 this would anyone have accepted it they would have said this wasn't possible in a liberal democracy

00:38:41.120 in a forward-thinking democracy they would have said it was insanity but we all now accept it well

00:38:45.480 why do we accept it we shouldn't we should we should push back against it because it is regressive

00:38:49.440 so how do we how do we fight this battle the difficulty that we have is that the people in

00:38:59.120 charge have bought into it so this wouldn't matter if it was just those crazy people on twitter with

00:39:05.200 anime avatars screaming into cyberspace and sort of calling everyone a fascist and saying that that

00:39:10.540 they see homophobes and racists in every shadow you know if it was just the crazy activists it wouldn't

00:39:16.420 matter because we could just ignore them and get on with our lives but the problem is it's infected

00:39:20.380 i mean look the u.s government is completely infected with this stuff uh it's in all like i say all of

00:39:25.800 our major institutions academia is completely over overwhelmed by it uh which means you have people

00:39:31.200 who are supposed to be the experts in their field misrepresenting reality for ideological purposes you

00:39:36.660 now have leading medical journals talking about how sex is a spectrum well even i know that sex is a

00:39:42.020 spectrum and i'm not a biologist you know you've got well you had the supreme court nominee uh jackson

00:39:47.380 who was asked to define a woman and she said uh i can't i'm not a biologist you know in our country

00:39:52.980 we have when you ask politicians what is a woman they stammer and they stutter and they don't know

00:39:57.360 what to do because they're terrified of getting it wrong even though a moderately intelligent child could

00:40:02.340 tell you the answer to that so the problem isn't the activist the problem is those in authority

00:40:07.100 capitulating to the activists and we have to find some way i mean i guess they're intimidated

00:40:11.800 or they've bought into it but you have to find some way to sort of redress that and and the reason

00:40:16.360 why in the book the new puritans and i called it that really because i'm making a direct comparison

00:40:20.280 of what happened in salem during that period of hysteria in the late 17th century and of course it

00:40:25.260 was just one year it was very shortly everyone who was involved repented afterwards and thought they'd

00:40:30.180 made a mistake but it wouldn't have mattered if it was just the girls screaming witch at everyone

00:40:36.140 it was because the ministers and the magistrates believed the girls and perpetuated the fantasy

00:40:42.420 and it's a similar thing here the people screaming online they're just the girls screaming witch or

00:40:47.180 turf or whatever words they like to use or racist or fascist it's the people in authority who are

00:40:52.920 truckling to this and going along with it and they're the problem really so we just have to find a way to

00:40:58.140 have more people who are in a positions of authority to stand up to it have the courage

00:41:02.180 to say no we we all know what a woman is uh we all know that uh martin luther king's dream of

00:41:09.320 colorblindness is the ideal that it's not a sort of version of white supremacy which is what robin

00:41:14.780 d'angelo argues uh that actually we were going in the right direction and this new social justice

00:41:20.960 movement turned up and derailed the whole project and and you know so like i say just just get people in

00:41:27.720 power they need to be graver so i have a um i have a history archive and a gigantic vault with a bunch

00:41:35.820 of history in it and we have quite a bit from the salem witch trials and uh you know most people don't

00:41:41.580 know um that the salem witch trials happened uh i mean were stopped because the guy in power

00:41:50.560 was approached by two other ministers and said you're you're reading the bible all wrong you're

00:41:57.200 you're reading it wrong so it took the leaders to stop the leader on the salem witch trial exactly i

00:42:05.080 mean there were a number of things that were happening the girls started accusing very powerful

00:42:09.480 people and you'll note in the in the court transcripts and the records that whenever they did that

00:42:15.080 uh the ministers or the magistrates sorry um they gently corrected them so for instance they accused

00:42:20.640 the reverend samuel willard of being a witch and of course willard was the acting president of harvard so

00:42:25.460 this was not some small fry and um the magistrates simply said to the girls you must be mistaken you

00:42:31.020 must be thinking of constable willard who you've already accused and is in jail at the moment so you

00:42:35.240 see they they only believed it up to a point um and then eventually the deputy governor of the colony

00:42:40.980 wrote to the leading clergymen in the country and said by the way is spectral evidence admissible

00:42:47.000 in court and what spectral evidence was was simply the girl's testimony was taken as truth

00:42:51.680 what we today would call the experience that's a comparison i make in the book

00:42:55.380 they they saw witches therefore that was evidence in other words the accusation was taken as

00:42:59.760 proof um and those magic those ministers got back to them and said no that that is not admissible

00:43:05.540 in court and everything collapsed all of the cases collapsed overnight as soon as that happened

00:43:09.860 so today you see when you have people say that certain institutions are systemically racist

00:43:15.020 and you ask for evidence and they say it's our lived experience it's the same thing and we have to get to

00:43:21.740 the point where we say actually no lived experience spectral evidence that's not good enough we need to

00:43:26.140 get back to the enlightenment values where we we have rationality and evidence-led epistemology and data

00:43:31.320 and and reason um and this this this movement this new religion is completely opposed to any kind of

00:43:38.500 rational thought and actually mistrust the values of the enlightenment as being some sort of product of

00:43:44.460 a dead white straight men you and your country are all countries right now in the western world are in

00:43:51.860 real trouble um with uh fuel energy inflation food all of it um we're headed for really hard times

00:44:02.620 do we survive this do we wake up in time well i mean a lot of people will use that point of view to make

00:44:11.900 the point that given the cost of living crisis given the energy crisis given the uh global recession

00:44:18.740 um that actually we shouldn't be worried about what they call the culture war we shouldn't be

00:44:23.400 focusing on the issues these are a distraction but actually these issues uh get to the heart of

00:44:29.140 what western civilization means if we don't have uh these values that we've worked so long to refine

00:44:35.980 and have secured um justice and progress as we have known it within our lifetimes then everything else

00:44:42.300 collapses it doesn't you know if you if you don't if you don't hold fast to those values you won't be

00:44:46.060 able to deal with cost of living issues energy issues uh financial disasters you know we you need to

00:44:52.600 have a fundamental basis of rationality uh in order for anything else to be addressed so i think it is

00:44:59.440 far more important than people than people realize i think people are waking up to that

00:45:03.360 um and i think it's an absolute disaster when you see uh biden's administration you know bearing in mind

00:45:09.660 that biden was nominated in the first place because he was perceived as being the non-woke democrat

00:45:15.760 candidate and and look at what he's done and look at what he's pushed through and you know look at who's

00:45:20.480 who he's appointed and it it's it's just not the case that that perception was accurate and it is

00:45:27.980 damaging it is hugely damaging and it's it's it gets to the core of what we stand for as a civilization

00:45:34.900 and uh we can't i don't think we can allow it to collapse and i don't think it's too hyperbolic

00:45:38.700 uh to say that that we're on the verge of collapse if we keep going down this line

00:45:42.820 andrew doyle um the book is the new puritans uh how the religion of social justice captured the

00:45:52.120 western world um worth your time andrew thank you so much i'd love to have you on again

00:45:57.500 that'd be fantastic thanks very much god bless andrew doyle

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