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00:00:26.680 Amex.ca slash YMX. Today, big guest Peter Schweitzer. He is one of the best researchers

00:00:34.140 on money laundering and everything else in the federal government. He is pissed off everybody

00:00:39.520 on every side, so you know he's doing a good job. He joins the show today to discuss the alleged

00:00:44.700 foreign influences behind Mamdani's campaign, and they are very, very disturbing. Also, Diesel Brothers 0.97

00:00:50.980 star Dave Sparks joins us. He was thrown into solitary confinement over violating the Clean Air

00:00:56.440 Act. It is absolutely out of control. And Chris Martinson joins to discuss AI and the

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00:03:24.780 Peter, always great to have you on. Great to be with you, Glenn. Thanks for having me.

00:03:29.200 Okay. So, Mom Donnie, this is not a stunning update, except it is kind of stunning because

00:03:35.800 now you have verified it. Tell me what you found on the funding for Mom Donnie.

00:03:39.960 Yeah. Well, so here's the interesting thing people forget. New York is, of course,

00:03:45.160 an international city, but the world is watching. The Hezbollah publication Al-Kandik had an article

00:03:53.980 on Donnie talking about the fact that this guy could win mayor of New York. And if he wins mayor

00:03:59.080 of New York, that could propel him to the national stage, including he could become secretary of the

00:04:05.380 Department of Homeland Security. Why a terrorist organization would mention Homeland Security is

00:04:11.100 interesting. But their point is correct, Glenn, that the world is watching. So you have the royal

00:04:18.320 family of Qatar, the Al-Thani family, which not only has bankrolled the Mom Donnies to the tune of 0.73

00:04:26.080 millions of millions of dollars on film projects that his mother has done. They're out on social

00:04:32.020 media around the world pushing for Mom Donnie's campaign. And Mom Donnie actually in September,

00:04:38.940 think about this, Glenn, he's running for mayor of New York. He goes on Qatari TV. He goes on TV in

00:04:45.760 Qatar to talk about the fact that the United States is funding genocide in Israel, etc. The bottom line is

00:04:53.160 that he and his family are joined to the hip with the Qatari royal family. And what you need to

00:04:59.540 understand about the Qatari royal family is this is the same family that in the 1990s protected

00:05:06.540 Khalid Sheikh Mohammed. He was the mastermind behind the 9-11 terrorist attacks. He was involved in the 1.00

00:05:14.180 1993 World Trade Center bombing. He fled the United States. He went to Qatar, where the same royal family

00:05:22.140 gave him a no show job working for the government and protected him. And when Louis Free and the FBI

00:05:29.080 came looking for Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and said, we want this guy, the Al-Thani family, which of course 0.98

00:05:35.540 is funding Mom Donnie back in the 1990s, they helped him escape the net of the FBI. And Louis Free later

00:05:43.520 said in the early 2000s, had they gotten him, they could have prevented 9-11.

00:05:49.460 Can I push back on this a bit? You say the Mom Donnie family is tied to the hip, but isn't the 0.82

00:05:57.680 Trump family also tied to the hip? Well, yeah, I do not like what is going on with the Qataris at all. 1.00

00:06:04.720 What I would say, one important distinction, you know, when we're doing things like the airbase in

00:06:09.980 Idaho, which I think is a terrible idea. The Mom Donnie is unlike the Trumps and unlike the U.S.

00:06:16.020 federal government, completely, completely mimics what the Qatari foreign policy line is, which is

00:06:24.200 anti-Israel, pro-Hamas. They line up completely on the policy positions. In fact, the Mom Donnie

00:06:32.600 father has said that terrorism is really a Western invention. It has nothing to do with Islam. He

00:06:40.500 wrote a famous book on that in the 2000s. Another thing he said, Glenn, and by the way, his son has

00:06:46.960 not pushed back on this at all, that situations like what happened in Sudan with the massacre at

00:06:53.900 Darfur where 400,000 Christians were slaughtered by Islamists, that's not genocide. That was a civil war

00:07:02.200 that was damage on both sides. The point is, is that the Mondamis have been apologists in exactly

00:07:08.300 the same way that the Qatari royal family has. And that's what I think makes it so concerning.

00:07:14.060 But I mean, I could talk about Iran, the International Quran News Agency, which is an Iranian news agency,

00:07:21.100 has also run glowing profiles on Mondani and has said his campaign is Islamic in not only its messaging,

00:07:29.740 but also in its goals and in its ends. You have Imam Wahaj, who you have talked about before.

00:07:38.140 This is an imam who has three adult children who are in jail for life for their involvement in a terrorist

00:07:45.520 attack. Imam Wahaj has funded the super PAC, which funded and is funding Mondani's gubernatorial campaign.

00:07:53.340 And Imam Wahaj, back in 2021, gave an interview where he predicted that there would be a rising

00:08:01.620 figure who would become mayor of New York backed by Islamic voters. So this is a global mayoral race

00:08:11.440 and people in New York and people around the country better be aware the stakes are higher than just

00:08:17.360 what happens in New York City. Tell me about the CCP. So the CCP, it's interesting. They have been

00:08:24.860 running very positive stories on Mondani. I just posted on Twitter X yesterday a story from the

00:08:33.520 Center for Marxism in China, which is, of course, a government-run entity saying that the Mondani

00:08:39.260 campaign is a bright spot in a very dark situation in the United States from their perspective.

00:08:46.120 But then you also have the interesting role of a guy named Roy Singham. I talked about him. In fact,

00:08:52.140 you and I talked about him back in 2024. Yeah, when my book Blood Money came out. So Roy Singham

00:08:58.420 runs something called the People's Forum in New York. It is a very radical left wing. Roy Singham,

00:09:05.720 of course, American billionaire, lives in Beijing now, very close to the CCP events, attends CCP events.

00:09:13.400 Singham's People's Forum has been very supportive of Mondani's campaign. And you also have Roy Singham's

00:09:20.900 niece runs an organization called Jews for Mondani. Now, she's actually not Jewish. You see what's going on 0.70

00:09:30.960 here. You see what's going on here. But the point is, Glenn, that the CCP shares the same interest that

00:09:38.200 these other foreign actors have in seeing Mondani win, because they see this as a foothold that they

00:09:45.620 can establish in the United States. And I would say to, and I have friends who basically have adopted

00:09:51.980 the position, Glenn, you know, let New York fall, let Mondani get elected. It's going to be terrible.

00:09:58.180 People see how bad socialism is. I'm telling you, if Mondani wins, they're going to work the

00:10:03.200 machineries of government so that they retain office, meaning this radical left, Islamist left 0.66

00:10:10.720 wing movement, retain power in New York going forward. You also exposed that most of the donations

00:10:18.600 that he is getting are from like 78 percent of his his money is coming from outside of New York. I mean,

00:10:26.720 the number one state contributing to his campaign is California. Yes, that's right. And that includes

00:10:34.260 political action committees that are tied to care, which, of course, you have reported on over the years,

00:10:40.720 their ties to Hamas, their involvement in in various Islamic causes. And you also have news reports that have

00:10:49.640 just been coming out that so far there are at least thirteen thousand dollars. The number is going to

00:10:56.300 be much higher, but thirteen thousand dollars have been identified so far of illegal foreign donations

00:11:01.960 coming into the Mondani campaign. And the challenge here is, Glenn, we've seen this happen in the past

00:11:08.620 with other candidates. They wait until the last month because the reporting for donations will come out

00:11:15.620 after the election. So that number is going to be much higher. And based on what you see

00:11:21.400 the Alfani family doing on social media around the world, you know, boosting his campaign,

00:11:28.420 I expect that number to be massively higher before it's all said and done. So, Peter, have you talked to

00:11:34.860 the have you talked to Kash Patel or anybody in the FBI about this yet? So we had one of our vice

00:11:43.180 presidents for research. Seamus Bruner was at the roundtable last week in the White House with the

00:11:48.420 president. And we, you know, showed our follow the money report. It was a three and a half minute

00:11:54.760 presentation. The president very publicly then said to us, would you please share this information with

00:12:01.960 the attorney general and with the director of the FBI? And that information exchange is taking place

00:12:07.540 and there is communication. And Glenn, as always, the information we have is all public record,

00:12:14.060 meaning we dig and we find. This is not speculation. These are not anonymous sources.

00:12:19.340 So, yes, that information is being shared with U.S. law enforcement, something we've done since the

00:12:25.240 founding of GAI going back to 2011.

00:12:27.420 So I got a call from the FBI over the weekend and I had three FBI agents show up at my house this

00:12:36.860 weekend. And this was friendly, right?

00:12:39.480 It was friendly. I said that I said I would be a little more concerned if it was the last

00:12:44.420 administration. But you guys are friendly, right? And they say, yes, we just have some questions about

00:12:48.260 a special I did where we just tied, you know, open sources, easy open sources together. And

00:12:56.120 they they wanted to know more about it. And I started talking to them. You know, I said it

00:13:03.720 kind of works like the Tides Foundation. You guys are going to have a hard time finding things

00:13:06.660 because they they're very good at money laundering, et cetera, et cetera. And I said, but you're going

00:13:10.760 to have an easier time because you can go into banking records. You know, if you get the

00:13:14.460 you know, the warrants, et cetera, et cetera. And and I was I was surprised at how far behind

00:13:22.460 they were. And I talked to Kash Patel yesterday. I was at the White House. And and and he said,

00:13:28.760 Glenn, we pretty much tell you everybody who went to a Latin mass in the last five years,

00:13:35.700 but nobody's done any of this work. No, the administrations of the past since Barack Obama,

00:13:44.120 they have sworn off all investigations of this stuff. So we we are starting from the very

00:13:50.180 beginning. Yeah, they really need help. I mean, well, they they do. And Glenn, that the special

00:13:57.740 you did was excellent. And you do the same things we do. It's public information. In other words,

00:14:04.080 don't take my word for it. You can replicate what we found and you can use as a government authority

00:14:09.500 subpoena power. This is the same thing that happened, remember, with with the Hunter Biden

00:14:14.860 situation. We learned a lot more once you had congressional committees issuing subpoenas.

00:14:20.380 In this particular case, I would argue the stakes may even be higher because what you're seeing is

00:14:26.660 the organized funding of radical groups who are not out protesting and carrying signs and they are

00:14:35.680 engaged in violent, provocative acts. They are targeting U.S. law enforcement. And this is the very

00:14:41.600 definition of RICO, right? The RICO statutes were designed to get organized crime figures. You'd have

00:14:48.360 the street guys who were, you know, beating people up and those people would get arrested, but they could

00:14:53.440 never get to the money people that were organizing it and paying these guys to beat people up. So RICO

00:15:00.040 came along and said, you know what, we are going to now be able to charge people with organizing

00:15:05.800 criminal violent activity. So this is a classic definition of RICO. And it's a question now of

00:15:13.320 federal law enforcement and prosecutors, the DOJ doing exactly what you said, which is pulling

00:15:19.980 financial records. And if you've got entities and individuals, which I believe you do, you've

00:15:25.660 demonstrated it, we've demonstrated it, that are knowingly funding groups that are engaging in

00:15:31.160 violent conduct on American streets. That to me is the very definition of RICO and the reason it was

00:15:37.300 designed in the first place. So I agree with you on that, but let me come back. Let me take a one

00:15:41.720 minute break. I want to come back with you, Peter. Peter Schweitzer, and ask you, are you going to be

00:15:48.940 able to track the funding to the street activity? Do you believe that connection is there? Because I

00:15:56.100 think they're winding up a lot of very sick and unhealthy people and street people, et cetera, 1.00

00:16:01.860 et cetera. You don't necessarily have to pay, you know, and somebody can come by with a hundred bucks.

00:16:06.960 Are you, do you think we're going to find the actual funding of the street movement? Because,

00:16:13.380 you know, everybody in the press is saying, oh, well, there's no, there's no organization here. Well,

00:16:17.740 who's paying for the union printed signs and everything else that they have?

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00:17:53.220 The Utah physicians for a healthy environment were very offended that one of the trucks they made

00:18:00.080 had 36 times more pollutants in the air than if they would have just left it alone.

00:18:06.700 And so they got together with Biden's federal government and they took him to court and they

00:18:13.920 were fined like a million and a half dollars, million point two, I think. And the Diesel brothers

00:18:19.340 been fighting going, what, what do you, what, what are you talking about? But they've been fighting it

00:18:24.980 back and forth and I lost track. Heavy D, Dave Sparks was on with us. He did a podcast with me

00:18:31.300 about a year or so ago. We talked about it and, you know, they still had to, you know, finish this

00:18:36.720 all up. Well, he's just been arrested a couple of weeks ago. He was arrested and put into solitary

00:18:42.200 confinement for three days. Why that's necessary for polluting the air is beyond me. But he is here

00:18:52.300 to tell us the whole story. Dave, welcome to the program. How are you? Good morning, Glenn. Good

00:18:56.900 to hear from you. Yeah, it's good to have you on. We've been praying for you and thinking about you.

00:19:00.820 This is ridiculous. Well, thank you. I appreciate that. I'm actually doing significantly better now

00:19:04.600 that I'm not locked up like an animal. You were in solitary confinement for three days. What was the

00:19:09.600 reason? Well, I got put in jail and when a high profile person gets put in jail, they give you

00:19:16.240 basically protective custody. So the jailhouse was actually very courteous to me. I feel like they

00:19:22.600 did their best with the bad situation. But unfortunately, a guy like me, if I get thrown

00:19:27.080 in general population, it causes problems for everybody at the jail. It starts, it just starts

00:19:32.640 a potential riot in there because people get excited. People try to maybe extort me. People

00:19:36.880 try to, you know, start a meet and greet. There's just all sorts of different things that can go wrong.

00:19:40.360 So they said, look, your option is that, go start a riot or go get locked in a cell where

00:19:45.720 you're allowed out for one hour for every 48 hours. And, you know, that was unfortunately the

00:19:50.220 route that we had to go. But man, it was the most dehumanizing experience of my life.

00:19:54.600 So why were you arrested?

00:19:57.520 I was arrested on contempt of court charges. Now, the unique thing about contempt of court

00:20:02.680 charges is they're very broad and there's no bail. So you can get thrown in jail for contempt of

00:20:07.960 court for kind of anything and you can't get out. So even though, you know, as soon as I got

00:20:12.220 arrested, I called my attorney, said, all right, let's get this figured out, get me out of here.

00:20:14.940 And he said, Dave, there's no bail. You're stuck in there until either the judge orders

00:20:18.840 a release or until the attorneys, the UPHE attorneys stipulate to your release. So I thought,

00:20:23.600 oh, I should be easy. These are reasonable, you know, I'm not a criminal. I didn't do anything

00:20:27.640 wrong. I didn't break any laws. They'll let me out of jail. Well, I was wrong. They chose to keep

00:20:31.580 me in jail essentially as a way to try to extort more money out of me. And at this point,

00:20:36.440 Glenn, I've just had it with this case. I'm done getting pushed around and bullied around for nine

00:20:41.820 years. So I finally just said, you know what? I'm just not going to play their games anymore.

00:20:45.660 I'll sit through jail. I will go to court in my hearing, you know, in a few days and I'll tell

00:20:50.060 the judge my story and explain why I'm not in contempt because essentially the contempt charges

00:20:54.460 were brought against us as the UPHE attorneys lied to the judge saying that we had failed to produce

00:21:00.340 thousands of documents over the years. So my attorney had a stroke of genius at my hearing on last

00:21:05.420 Thursday and showed up with basically a PowerPoint with like 40 something slides that said, your

00:21:09.980 honor, look at all the stuff that we've, that we've provided. These are all the things that you threw

00:21:13.900 Mr. Sparks in jail for not providing halfway through the hearing. The judge stopped. He looked

00:21:19.540 around and he looked at the attorneys for the UPHE and he said, please tell me there's not a man

00:21:24.460 sitting in shackles and chains in my courtroom right now because you couldn't communicate correctly.

00:21:28.540 Stopped the hearing, called the recess, took the attorneys back in his chambers,

00:21:32.180 apologized to my attorney and then came back out and basically said, I can't believe this ever

00:21:37.500 happened. Mr. Sparks, I'm at a loss for words. I'm now finally seeing what's happening here and

00:21:42.420 you're, you know, you're, you're going to be free immediately. And he said, UPHE, I don't ever want

00:21:46.440 to see you in my courtroom again with these guys. So it was a, it was a very vindicating moment, but

00:21:50.660 Glenn, the craziest part is this was all about attorney's fees. It was, this was not about the federal

00:21:55.180 penalty. We had no problem paying the federal penalty. Under the Clean Air Act, there's a stipulation that says

00:21:59.640 if a private action group brings action against you on a clean air violation, even if they only win 1% of

00:22:07.760 their claim, they can bill you 100% of the attorney's fees. So their attorney's fees were just this blank

00:22:13.320 check. It was an ever going blank check that I said no to.

00:22:19.000 And so they weren't coming out because you paid the federal government fees?

00:22:23.740 We paid a huge chunk of it. Yes. We've been working with the treasury because it's unique. You know,

00:22:28.020 it's a Utah Physicians for Healthy Environment. So you would think, all right, this money should go to the state

00:22:31.880 of Utah. And for nine years, I have said, I'll fix this. I'll plant trees.

00:22:36.080 I'll fix low income family cars. Let's get the air clean here in Utah. You guys have a, you guys have a cause.

00:22:41.040 This is my home. You know, we, we made a mistake back in the early days of our business. Let's do, do some good

00:22:45.140 here. And they said, no, they said, we want that money to go to the federal government, um, basically the

00:22:49.960 treasury to get subsumed in the giant federal budget. And then more importantly, we want our

00:22:54.920 attorney's fees and we want every single penny of them. And we're not going to tell you how much

00:22:58.460 they are because you've cost us so much time and money fighting this, that it's, it's just a secret

00:23:04.000 number that maybe one day we'll tell you. Um, but we're not going to tell you really, because this

00:23:08.380 is a giant press campaign and we don't want this to end. And so we're not going to, Glenn, we've tried

00:23:13.560 settling with this case for, for seven years. I've offered, I've made offers month after month after

00:23:20.640 month. I've made full price offers. I've made over full price offers. They haven't taken them.

00:23:24.760 And why is that? Because they don't want to settle. They want the press, they want the publicity

00:23:28.940 and they want to continue to just milk this never ending cow of free, you know, um, just media that

00:23:35.620 they've been getting by suing the diesel brothers. But they finally took it one step too far by taking

00:23:40.740 someone's freedom. And I got to tell you, people are upset. I'm talking millions and millions and

00:23:45.580 millions of people are very upset. We were very upset. My wife and I read about it and we were like,

00:23:50.640 what the hell is happening? Um, how control, so is this judge, do you think this is a turning point

00:23:58.920 in your case where other judges are going to start to see what's actually happening here?

00:24:03.880 This is not only the turning point in our case, but this is also a turning point in this law in

00:24:08.160 general. The clean air act is written very broadly and there's a lot of room for interpretation,

00:24:14.160 not in favor of whoever the offenders are. Um, remember the clean air act is not a law. It's,

00:24:21.200 it's, it's, it's an act that was written and therefore has all sorts of different sorts of

00:24:26.020 like enforcement actions that are, that are possible. But there's a guy up in Wyoming right now

00:24:31.400 who just got out of prison. He was there for nine months on a life sentence for doing similar stuff

00:24:37.240 as us. This has happened all across the country. So finally, Congressmen, senators, lawmakers.

00:24:42.440 Yeah. Yeah. A life sentence for what? Putting a straight pipe out of the engine.

00:24:47.960 Yep. Yep. That's exactly right. It's gotten out of control and these, these environmental

00:24:54.820 attorneys and their groups know that they can exploit it. But Glenn, the scary part is this is

00:25:00.060 not the first time they've done this. Do a quick Google search of the UPHE and their lawsuits.

00:25:04.520 And just what pops up online is going to show you 20 plus different cases that they've done

00:25:09.060 this over the past decade. And it's every single one of them has been settled privately. Their

00:25:13.940 attorney's fees just got, you know, quietly absorbed into the abyss. And I've talked to multiple people

00:25:20.000 that have been sued by them all the way from big fortune 500 companies down to little mom and pop

00:25:23.920 shops. And every single story is the same. They say UPHE ruined my life and UPHE thought they had,

00:25:29.780 you know, their, their, their greatest tale of all time by suing us because it's a big media

00:25:33.600 campaign. Like I said, and I just don't think they were prepared for me to be as stubborn as I am,

00:25:37.880 because I am just, I didn't even realize that I was standing up for something all this time.

00:25:42.280 I just knew that I was standing up for myself and I wasn't okay with what was happening,

00:25:45.020 but it turned out to be a much bigger picture. I was standing up for something that

00:25:49.460 has been a problem for so many years, for so many people. And Glenn, if I didn't,

00:25:54.900 this was going to continue to be a problem. Like, let's say you're driving down the freeway,

00:25:58.200 your check engine light comes on. There's an attorney in your rear view mirror. He can go

00:26:02.400 to the court and say, this person driving in front of me, I can't necessarily prove it,

00:26:07.200 but I know that their car wasn't fully compliant. I'm injured. I need a million dollars tomorrow.

00:26:12.540 And the judge will say, got it. There's no, there's no defense. There's no defense. The Clean

00:26:18.680 Air Act leaves no room for any sort of interpretation of how severe the damages were. So if this doesn't

00:26:24.940 get changed, it's just going to continue to be this, this racket. It's all it is. It's a racket

00:26:30.060 and they've been getting away with it for far too long. So who, who is behind the Physicians for

00:26:35.360 Healthy Environment? Who are these? A guy named Dr. Dr. Brian Monk out of Bountiful, Utah. He is

00:26:41.460 the ringleader. And essentially he's got a handful of other physicians. I don't know if they're

00:26:45.380 practicing physicians or retired or what, but essentially they're activists and they're full-time

00:26:50.520 environmentalists. And they go around the state of Utah looking for anything that is putting

00:26:54.720 anything into the air and they sue it and they sue it into oblivion. And they have this very

00:26:59.540 powerful, broadly written act that allows them to just do endless discovery, do endless paperwork

00:27:05.840 until they basically exhaust resources, exhaust people, and then bully them into submission and

00:27:13.280 essentially get their blank check of attorney's fees. The judge, when he saw it, it was the most

00:27:17.820 pivotal moment probably of my life because the whole courtroom felt it. It was like this palpable

00:27:23.520 moment where I walked in in chains and cuffs and literally ankle, ankle and wrist restraints

00:27:29.000 and my hands to my belly button in a convict jump, jumpsuit and treated like I had just,

00:27:35.000 you know, killed somebody. And the judge started the hearing by basically telling me that I was

00:27:39.580 single-handedly dismantling the constitution by not complying with the court process and how terrible

00:27:44.660 it was that I was doing it. And then he realized halfway through that he'd been lied to. And now he's

00:27:49.160 thinking, how many other cases have I been lied to about this? How many times have these people

00:27:54.220 brought false claims against other people? This, this is a wake in the dragon that nobody even knew

00:27:59.020 was asleep. Um, we, we know the head of the EPA, right? Isn't it Lee Zeldin? Lee Zeldin is good

00:28:05.800 people. Yeah. He's really good people. Have you talked to him about this? So he's getting involved

00:28:10.480 on since that, like I said, there's multiple cases like mine, some are criminal, uh, with the EPA.

00:28:15.700 Well, the funniest part about all this, when this all happened back in 2016, the UPHE filed their case

00:28:21.220 and they took it to the EPA and said, Hey, look what you guys are doing. We had a call at the EPA.

00:28:24.920 And they said, uh, this is like small potatoes. You guys are, you guys are nothing near like

00:28:30.140 something that we need to pursue. You guys aren't doing nearly enough.

00:28:33.220 Biden's EPA did that. Yep. They basically just said, no, sorry, you're, you're, you're too small.

00:28:42.000 There's not enough going on, but you PHE, you may proceed that you have the law go for it. Um,

00:28:47.280 but so this was, this is not criminal. This was not, there was never a criminal charge filed. This

00:28:51.680 was a civil paperwork dispute that landed me in jail for three days in maximum security.

00:28:58.500 Make that make sense. Unbelievable. Uh, well, it's out of control, but it's changing.

00:29:05.760 Yeah. I'm glad. And I'm really glad that, I mean, I'm glad I hate to say it this way,

00:29:10.620 but I'm glad they picked on you because you're not going to sit down, uh, you know, and I think a lot

00:29:15.680 of people feel the same way because you're right. I'm not going to sit down. I'm, I'm too,

00:29:18.720 I'm too dumb to sit down. Uh, Dave, thanks so much for talking to us. All my best. Anything we can do, 0.88

00:29:25.300 you just reach out anytime. Okay. I appreciate it. Good to hear from you. Bye-bye Dave, uh,

00:29:29.640 heavy D sparks from the diesel brothers. Uh, I mean all this stuff, this, this is the problem.

00:29:35.900 Our government makes laws, uh, the Congress makes laws, but then because of these agencies,

00:29:42.420 uh, they just enact whatever they want and they can get completely out of control. And it's not just

00:29:49.260 at the, the government level. I'm telling you, there's a real problem in Utah. I mean, Utah is

00:29:55.360 changing and it is becoming a, I think a out of control, dangerous, dangerous place. Uh, and, uh,

00:30:02.960 you know, I can't believe I'm saying it, but that, that is the truth. And a lot of the people from

00:30:09.820 California are moving in and they're like, we really liked this family atmosphere here. We just

00:30:13.760 have to make it more like California, which is killing it all. Uh, but anyway, um, great to hear

00:30:19.360 from, uh, Dave sparks. This is the best of the Glenn Beck program. Good to be back with you again.

00:30:25.740 Yeah. It's always great to have you on. Um, I am really concerned about the progress of these,

00:30:32.280 these, uh, server farms for a couple of reasons. Uh, one, uh, compute is so expensive right now and

00:30:41.780 it's just getting, it's, you know, we're getting maybe, maybe three to 5% of the compute time.

00:30:49.240 These data centers are all being run for the, uh, you know, for the advancement of AI right now.

00:30:55.000 And we're just getting a fraction of it. If you go to chat GPT or, or any of these things,

00:30:59.300 um, and we don't have the server farms, uh, that we need, China is building them like crazy. 1.00

00:31:05.820 China is building energy like crazy and we are way behind how bad is this situation and how do we

00:31:13.300 correct it? Well, you know, from out here in the cheap seats, uh, it's very bad. And I say the cheap

00:31:20.540 seats cause I hope Glenn, that somebody behind the scenes is doing this in a more thoughtful way

00:31:25.740 than seems to be happening. We are building these data centers and slapping them in and hooking them

00:31:30.720 up to our power grid. So nationally, since 2022, electricity costs have gone up 35% over just

00:31:37.500 three years, 35%. But if you happen to be unfortunate enough to live near these data centers, you might

00:31:44.480 have seen your electricity costs go up by nearly 300%. Buffalo, it's 197%. Baltimore, it's 125%.

00:31:52.500 Columbus, 110%. Wait, wait, wait. And is all of this due to the server farms?

00:31:58.320 Yes. If you live, it's all by proximity. If you happen to be lucky enough to live more than 50 miles

00:32:03.080 away from a significant data center, your electricity bills have not gone up all that much. So it's just,

00:32:08.420 it's just supply and demand. We're slapping in demand and nobody knows. And I was able to articulate

00:32:13.740 where's the supply going to come from? Well, I talked to the president about this, oh, six months or so

00:32:20.620 ago. And he said, Glenn, I'm, I've, I've instructed the, you know, the EPA and, and the Department of Energy

00:32:28.320 to slash all of the red tape. He said, we're, we, I'm encouraging to use these small nuclear power plants.

00:32:37.480 They're really, really safe. They're much smaller, easier to build. And he said, I'm, I'm making these

00:32:45.420 server farms, utilities. They're, they're going to be responsible for generating their own energy,

00:32:51.500 but I'm not seeing any ground being broken on this or anything happening there. Are you?

00:32:57.900 No. And I would be a huge fan. I'm a giant fan. I put out many pieces supporting this idea of the

00:33:03.320 small modular nukes. Let's get them a huge fan. However, those have, if you want to talk about

00:33:09.860 what is the most red tapey of all possible government entities, it's, it's nuclear regulatory

00:33:15.240 commission. So we'll see what can be done. I think there's only so much you can do by executive order.

00:33:21.140 The rest is sort of bureaucraties and we'll see. But even if we got that going right now,

00:33:27.120 that's going to be years away before those are meaningfully installed. What do we do between here

00:33:32.160 and there? And so on that front, the only option we have, cause we're not putting in coal,

00:33:37.000 nobody wants coal. Fine. We're decommissioning coal. It's going to be natural gas plants.

00:33:42.140 Okay. We happen to be an energy superpower. We make a lot of natural gas, but here's the weird part.

00:33:47.820 The best estimates from the energy agency at the United States department of energy says that

00:33:52.820 natural gas is going to be flat output for the next three to four years. And you mentioned that

00:33:58.420 5% of all electricity demand going to 10% is astonishing, but it looks like by 2028,

00:34:06.240 it's going to be 12% of all electricity production. Tell me what that means to the average person.

00:34:14.100 Your electricity bills are going to explode and your natural gas bills are going to explode

00:34:18.180 because we just don't have enough. This is the biggest, most obvious supply demand mismatch

00:34:23.260 in history. Do you believe that we are looking at a California style situation all over the country

00:34:29.360 where we're going to have rolling brownouts?

00:34:33.760 Well, you know, if it's either the data centers or the people of Cincinnati getting electricity,

00:34:39.240 the data centers have to operate 24 seven uninterrupted. They don't have any options around

00:34:44.580 that. And let me just put this at scale. So we've heard about they're putting in one gigawatt,

00:34:48.740 two gigawatt data centers. Sam Altman said, we need six, five gigawatt data centers. What does that

00:34:53.880 mean? Denver runs on just under a gigawatt. Oh my gosh. We want to put in a one gigawatt data

00:35:00.840 center, which is this little building. What they're really saying is we want to install an entire

00:35:05.640 Denver's worth of electricity consumption and we're going to use it. We'll see to make videos of cats

00:35:11.120 for now. Oh my gosh. And a six gigawatt. I mean, I mean, only China is at this place. What, how many

00:35:24.680 years will it take us? Let's say we, let's say the president declared, you know, kind of a national

00:35:30.720 emergency that we had to do this kind of like what we did in, in, uh, in the great depression

00:35:35.860 where we built, you know, dams and everything else. Is that even possible today? Um, you know,

00:35:44.680 what is the cost of just the copper wire? Um, do, do, would we have the, the, the transformers and

00:35:52.980 the, and the, and the conductivity, the wiring even to be able to go from a power plant and carry that

00:36:00.700 much power all around the country? Is it even possible? It's a great question. I wish I had

00:36:06.920 good answers for you, but right now there's, there's three things when you have to scale up

00:36:10.620 really big. So time, how much time is going to take the scale of it? It's just the larger the

00:36:15.880 scale, the more planning required and then the cost of it, but the cost has two components,

00:36:20.740 just the dollar cost. But you're mentioning the more important one too, which is, do we have the

00:36:24.180 resources there and resources are copper, but also the skill sets, you know, you just don't go on

00:36:29.840 monster.com and order up, you know, 50,000 utility grade, you know, uh, scale operators,

00:36:35.720 right? It's, we've, we've, we've let a lot of these programs, uh, go into attrition. We don't

00:36:40.680 make our own currently, Hitachi is going to come back in and try and make some of this, but we don't

00:36:44.480 make our own transformers, for example. So we get those from China and those, and those are sometimes

00:36:49.860 a year out. Are they not two years now for most of them? Yeah. So again, could we scale this up?

00:37:00.040 It's possible, but here's, I worry there's a political dimension. You would know more about

00:37:03.980 this than me, but so Trump says it's important. And the first thing that's going to happen is all

00:37:08.240 these activist judges and Democrats are going to say, well, we hate it just because you said so,

00:37:11.860 and they're going to fight it. Um, and they've been very effective at that. And so a lot of energy

00:37:17.620 turns into nimbyism, right? Uh, everybody's sort of in favor of these things until it's in their

00:37:21.880 backyard. And, and then the fights come out. China doesn't care if they have to move 30 villages out of the 0.91

00:37:27.040 way of a dam. That's what happens. And the next thing you know, they have a, uh, the electricity

00:37:30.700 they need. So what is the salute? What should we be pushing for as people?

00:37:39.760 Well, I think we have to have a comprehensive plan that says, look, our energy resources should be

00:37:49.480 used by our people right now. There are massive LNG plants going in and Trump loves them, but that's

00:37:56.740 okay. But we take our gas molecules out of the Pennsylvania soil and we put them into a plant and

00:38:01.960 we liquefy it and we send it over to Germany and that's fine, but we should probably be using that

00:38:08.140 right now. I critically say, listen, I know a lot of money went into this, but we need that. Those,

00:38:13.100 those gas molecules for ourself, for our own prosperity, all energy policies have to start with

00:38:18.940 what do we have? How much do we need? And if there's anything left over, that's what we sell.

00:38:24.440 And that's not quite how it's arranged right now. And, uh, how do we, uh, I mean, how do we survive?

00:38:33.460 Can, I mean, can we, can we even compete in this race if we don't have the energy?

00:38:42.680 Well, AI is fundamentally, it's a question of electrical power, right? And so you mentioned

00:38:47.280 exactly the right thing. So it was 2010 when China finally started to produce as much electrical power

00:38:53.180 as the United States. So that was 2010. That was about 4,000, what they call terawatt hours.

00:38:57.920 It's a lot, big number, but that was where they crossed over today. China produces 10,000 terawatt

00:39:03.840 hours and we're still at about 4,000. So they're producing 150% more electricity than we are. So if

00:39:10.280 we said, wow, AI is fundamentally about power and that whoever has the power wins the race,

00:39:15.480 we won't be able to catch up to China anytime soon. And so the concern is that the decision is going

00:39:21.460 to be made. Gosh, AI is too important. It's national security. We have to achieve this crazy

00:39:25.380 thing called EGI or whatever it is. We have to put the electricity there. Then the people get

00:39:30.540 shortchanged on that. And then we call those rolling brownouts or periods of electrical instability.

00:39:36.440 Likelihood of that?

00:39:37.320 At our current pace, it's a certainty at this point. Something has to change.

00:39:46.580 Chris, thank you so much. Please stay in touch. Any updates on this would be greatly appreciated.

00:39:52.240 Thank you. Appreciate it.

00:39:53.300 Thank you, Glenn.

00:39:53.960 Chris Martinson, he is with peakprosperity.com. He's the founder and CEO. You can find him.

00:39:58.420 The website is peakprosperity.com. This is something that I was talking to a guy named Max

00:40:07.800 Tegmark. I don't know if you know who he is. He's an AI ethicist and really, really smart. He wrote

00:40:15.300 Life 3.0 about five years ago. Great book. You should read it. But he talks about all of the issues

00:40:24.200 and what life is going to be like with AI. And we were talking about the problem is all of these things

00:40:31.680 are being discussed at the highest levels. They're being discussed by, you know, Sam Altman is talking

00:40:38.780 about making Sam God. That's what he calls it. Super AI, ASI. He calls it Sam God. He's creating a God.

00:40:47.260 Um, and that's, that's his goal. And this guy is, uh, not a guy I want creating God. Uh, you know,

00:40:56.100 um, and this, this race to ASI is so incredibly dangerous, but just the, just the way that we are

00:41:05.380 moving right now, forget about AGI or ASI, just the demands of regular AI that are coming online.

00:41:14.300 It is going to change our world. It is going to change your job. And nobody is talking to you

00:41:22.180 about it. Where have you ever attended anything where they're, they're going deep dive and talking

00:41:28.420 about this at your level, what it means. Have you heard anybody talk about when your energy bill goes

00:41:34.600 up, you're hearing, well, that's because of Biden energy. Well, is it? Yes. Because they refuse to build

00:41:43.320 anything. In fact, they were dismantling us, but also it's because Biden and everybody else has not

00:41:49.820 paid attention to what is coming. You cannot run a country on what's happening today. You have to have

00:41:58.280 a five, 10, 20 year plan when it comes to technology. You cannot. It's like when Obama pulled out all of

00:42:06.580 those oil rigs in the, in the Gulf of America, he pulls all these oil rigs out and nobody was talking

00:42:13.840 about it. This is not something that you get back into office and put back in. Those are on 20 year,

00:42:20.580 50 year leases. So we pull them out and they're, they're taken down to South America and planted

00:42:27.480 someplace else and you're not getting them back. And it takes years to build new ones.

00:42:32.700 That's the kind of problems that we have. Now we have, we we're doing what's happening in

00:42:39.740 Washington right now. What, why, why is our government closed? And I'm, I'm actually glad

00:42:44.760 that they're closed. I want all of this stuff stopped. Uh, I'm thrilled that they're closed,

00:42:49.300 but why are they closed? Because they're playing games. They're not talking about the things that

00:42:53.140 actually matter. They're not trying to solve anything. They're really not trying to solve

00:42:59.960 anything. At least the Democrats aren't. And you know, they get back in that energy policy.

00:43:06.400 You're going to become Venezuela. This energy policy must change dramatically now. And we have to have 1.00

00:43:15.880 the conversation about what is AI. What does it mean? Is it going to be a tool or is it going to be a

00:43:24.100 master? Where is that line? How much do we have to sacrifice as people to have our phones run cat

00:43:31.960 videos? Those are the things that everybody needs to be talking about right now.

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