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Peter Schweitzer is one of the best researchers on money laundering and everything else in the federal government, and he is pissed off everybody on every side. He joins the show today to discuss the alleged foreign influences behind his campaign, and they are very disturbing. Also, Diesel Brothers star Dave Sparks joins us to talk about being thrown into solitary confinement over violating the Clean Air Act, and Chris Martinson joins to discuss AI and the coming energy shortage, something we have to pay attention to.
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Amex.ca slash YMX. Today, big guest Peter Schweitzer. He is one of the best researchers
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on money laundering and everything else in the federal government. He is pissed off everybody
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on every side, so you know he's doing a good job. He joins the show today to discuss the alleged
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foreign influences behind Mamdani's campaign, and they are very, very disturbing. Also, Diesel Brothers
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star Dave Sparks joins us. He was thrown into solitary confinement over violating the Clean Air
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Act. It is absolutely out of control. And Chris Martinson joins to discuss AI and the
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coming energy shortage, something we have to pay attention to. All this and so much more
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Peter, always great to have you on. Great to be with you, Glenn. Thanks for having me.
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Okay. So, Mom Donnie, this is not a stunning update, except it is kind of stunning because
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now you have verified it. Tell me what you found on the funding for Mom Donnie.
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Yeah. Well, so here's the interesting thing people forget. New York is, of course,
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an international city, but the world is watching. The Hezbollah publication Al-Kandik had an article
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on Donnie talking about the fact that this guy could win mayor of New York. And if he wins mayor
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of New York, that could propel him to the national stage, including he could become secretary of the
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Department of Homeland Security. Why a terrorist organization would mention Homeland Security is
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interesting. But their point is correct, Glenn, that the world is watching. So you have the royal
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family of Qatar, the Al-Thani family, which not only has bankrolled the Mom Donnies to the tune of
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millions of millions of dollars on film projects that his mother has done. They're out on social
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media around the world pushing for Mom Donnie's campaign. And Mom Donnie actually in September,
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think about this, Glenn, he's running for mayor of New York. He goes on Qatari TV. He goes on TV in
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Qatar to talk about the fact that the United States is funding genocide in Israel, etc. The bottom line is
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that he and his family are joined to the hip with the Qatari royal family. And what you need to
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understand about the Qatari royal family is this is the same family that in the 1990s protected
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Khalid Sheikh Mohammed. He was the mastermind behind the 9-11 terrorist attacks. He was involved in the
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1993 World Trade Center bombing. He fled the United States. He went to Qatar, where the same royal family
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gave him a no show job working for the government and protected him. And when Louis Free and the FBI
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came looking for Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and said, we want this guy, the Al-Thani family, which of course
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is funding Mom Donnie back in the 1990s, they helped him escape the net of the FBI. And Louis Free later
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said in the early 2000s, had they gotten him, they could have prevented 9-11.
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Can I push back on this a bit? You say the Mom Donnie family is tied to the hip, but isn't the
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Trump family also tied to the hip? Well, yeah, I do not like what is going on with the Qataris at all.
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What I would say, one important distinction, you know, when we're doing things like the airbase in
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Idaho, which I think is a terrible idea. The Mom Donnie is unlike the Trumps and unlike the U.S.
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federal government, completely, completely mimics what the Qatari foreign policy line is, which is
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anti-Israel, pro-Hamas. They line up completely on the policy positions. In fact, the Mom Donnie
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father has said that terrorism is really a Western invention. It has nothing to do with Islam. He
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wrote a famous book on that in the 2000s. Another thing he said, Glenn, and by the way, his son has
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not pushed back on this at all, that situations like what happened in Sudan with the massacre at
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Darfur where 400,000 Christians were slaughtered by Islamists, that's not genocide. That was a civil war
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that was damage on both sides. The point is, is that the Mondamis have been apologists in exactly
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the same way that the Qatari royal family has. And that's what I think makes it so concerning.
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But I mean, I could talk about Iran, the International Quran News Agency, which is an Iranian news agency,
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has also run glowing profiles on Mondani and has said his campaign is Islamic in not only its messaging,
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but also in its goals and in its ends. You have Imam Wahaj, who you have talked about before.
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This is an imam who has three adult children who are in jail for life for their involvement in a terrorist
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attack. Imam Wahaj has funded the super PAC, which funded and is funding Mondani's gubernatorial campaign.
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And Imam Wahaj, back in 2021, gave an interview where he predicted that there would be a rising
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figure who would become mayor of New York backed by Islamic voters. So this is a global mayoral race
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and people in New York and people around the country better be aware the stakes are higher than just
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what happens in New York City. Tell me about the CCP. So the CCP, it's interesting. They have been
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running very positive stories on Mondani. I just posted on Twitter X yesterday a story from the
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Center for Marxism in China, which is, of course, a government-run entity saying that the Mondani
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campaign is a bright spot in a very dark situation in the United States from their perspective.
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But then you also have the interesting role of a guy named Roy Singham. I talked about him. In fact,
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you and I talked about him back in 2024. Yeah, when my book Blood Money came out. So Roy Singham
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runs something called the People's Forum in New York. It is a very radical left wing. Roy Singham,
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of course, American billionaire, lives in Beijing now, very close to the CCP events, attends CCP events.
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Singham's People's Forum has been very supportive of Mondani's campaign. And you also have Roy Singham's
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niece runs an organization called Jews for Mondani. Now, she's actually not Jewish. You see what's going on
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here. You see what's going on here. But the point is, Glenn, that the CCP shares the same interest that
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these other foreign actors have in seeing Mondani win, because they see this as a foothold that they
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can establish in the United States. And I would say to, and I have friends who basically have adopted
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the position, Glenn, you know, let New York fall, let Mondani get elected. It's going to be terrible.
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People see how bad socialism is. I'm telling you, if Mondani wins, they're going to work the
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machineries of government so that they retain office, meaning this radical left, Islamist left
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wing movement, retain power in New York going forward. You also exposed that most of the donations
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that he is getting are from like 78 percent of his his money is coming from outside of New York. I mean,
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the number one state contributing to his campaign is California. Yes, that's right. And that includes
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political action committees that are tied to care, which, of course, you have reported on over the years,
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their ties to Hamas, their involvement in in various Islamic causes. And you also have news reports that have
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just been coming out that so far there are at least thirteen thousand dollars. The number is going to
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be much higher, but thirteen thousand dollars have been identified so far of illegal foreign donations
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coming into the Mondani campaign. And the challenge here is, Glenn, we've seen this happen in the past
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with other candidates. They wait until the last month because the reporting for donations will come out
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after the election. So that number is going to be much higher. And based on what you see
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the Alfani family doing on social media around the world, you know, boosting his campaign,
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I expect that number to be massively higher before it's all said and done. So, Peter, have you talked to
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the have you talked to Kash Patel or anybody in the FBI about this yet? So we had one of our vice
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presidents for research. Seamus Bruner was at the roundtable last week in the White House with the
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president. And we, you know, showed our follow the money report. It was a three and a half minute
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presentation. The president very publicly then said to us, would you please share this information with
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the attorney general and with the director of the FBI? And that information exchange is taking place
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and there is communication. And Glenn, as always, the information we have is all public record,
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meaning we dig and we find. This is not speculation. These are not anonymous sources.
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So, yes, that information is being shared with U.S. law enforcement, something we've done since the
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So I got a call from the FBI over the weekend and I had three FBI agents show up at my house this
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It was friendly. I said that I said I would be a little more concerned if it was the last
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administration. But you guys are friendly, right? And they say, yes, we just have some questions about
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a special I did where we just tied, you know, open sources, easy open sources together. And
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they they wanted to know more about it. And I started talking to them. You know, I said it
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kind of works like the Tides Foundation. You guys are going to have a hard time finding things
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because they they're very good at money laundering, et cetera, et cetera. And I said, but you're going
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to have an easier time because you can go into banking records. You know, if you get the
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you know, the warrants, et cetera, et cetera. And and I was I was surprised at how far behind
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they were. And I talked to Kash Patel yesterday. I was at the White House. And and and he said,
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Glenn, we pretty much tell you everybody who went to a Latin mass in the last five years,
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but nobody's done any of this work. No, the administrations of the past since Barack Obama,
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they have sworn off all investigations of this stuff. So we we are starting from the very
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beginning. Yeah, they really need help. I mean, well, they they do. And Glenn, that the special
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you did was excellent. And you do the same things we do. It's public information. In other words,
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don't take my word for it. You can replicate what we found and you can use as a government authority
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subpoena power. This is the same thing that happened, remember, with with the Hunter Biden
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situation. We learned a lot more once you had congressional committees issuing subpoenas.
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In this particular case, I would argue the stakes may even be higher because what you're seeing is
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the organized funding of radical groups who are not out protesting and carrying signs and they are
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engaged in violent, provocative acts. They are targeting U.S. law enforcement. And this is the very
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definition of RICO, right? The RICO statutes were designed to get organized crime figures. You'd have
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the street guys who were, you know, beating people up and those people would get arrested, but they could
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never get to the money people that were organizing it and paying these guys to beat people up. So RICO
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came along and said, you know what, we are going to now be able to charge people with organizing
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criminal violent activity. So this is a classic definition of RICO. And it's a question now of
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federal law enforcement and prosecutors, the DOJ doing exactly what you said, which is pulling
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financial records. And if you've got entities and individuals, which I believe you do, you've
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demonstrated it, we've demonstrated it, that are knowingly funding groups that are engaging in
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violent conduct on American streets. That to me is the very definition of RICO and the reason it was
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designed in the first place. So I agree with you on that, but let me come back. Let me take a one
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minute break. I want to come back with you, Peter. Peter Schweitzer, and ask you, are you going to be
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able to track the funding to the street activity? Do you believe that connection is there? Because I
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think they're winding up a lot of very sick and unhealthy people and street people, et cetera,
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et cetera. You don't necessarily have to pay, you know, and somebody can come by with a hundred bucks.
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Are you, do you think we're going to find the actual funding of the street movement? Because,
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you know, everybody in the press is saying, oh, well, there's no, there's no organization here. Well,
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who's paying for the union printed signs and everything else that they have?
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The Utah physicians for a healthy environment were very offended that one of the trucks they made
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had 36 times more pollutants in the air than if they would have just left it alone.
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And so they got together with Biden's federal government and they took him to court and they
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were fined like a million and a half dollars, million point two, I think. And the Diesel brothers
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been fighting going, what, what do you, what, what are you talking about? But they've been fighting it
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back and forth and I lost track. Heavy D, Dave Sparks was on with us. He did a podcast with me
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about a year or so ago. We talked about it and, you know, they still had to, you know, finish this
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all up. Well, he's just been arrested a couple of weeks ago. He was arrested and put into solitary
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confinement for three days. Why that's necessary for polluting the air is beyond me. But he is here
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to tell us the whole story. Dave, welcome to the program. How are you? Good morning, Glenn. Good
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to hear from you. Yeah, it's good to have you on. We've been praying for you and thinking about you.
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This is ridiculous. Well, thank you. I appreciate that. I'm actually doing significantly better now
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that I'm not locked up like an animal. You were in solitary confinement for three days. What was the
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reason? Well, I got put in jail and when a high profile person gets put in jail, they give you
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basically protective custody. So the jailhouse was actually very courteous to me. I feel like they
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did their best with the bad situation. But unfortunately, a guy like me, if I get thrown
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in general population, it causes problems for everybody at the jail. It starts, it just starts
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a potential riot in there because people get excited. People try to maybe extort me. People
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try to, you know, start a meet and greet. There's just all sorts of different things that can go wrong.
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So they said, look, your option is that, go start a riot or go get locked in a cell where
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you're allowed out for one hour for every 48 hours. And, you know, that was unfortunately the
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route that we had to go. But man, it was the most dehumanizing experience of my life.
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I was arrested on contempt of court charges. Now, the unique thing about contempt of court
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charges is they're very broad and there's no bail. So you can get thrown in jail for contempt of
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court for kind of anything and you can't get out. So even though, you know, as soon as I got
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arrested, I called my attorney, said, all right, let's get this figured out, get me out of here.
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And he said, Dave, there's no bail. You're stuck in there until either the judge orders
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a release or until the attorneys, the UPHE attorneys stipulate to your release. So I thought,
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oh, I should be easy. These are reasonable, you know, I'm not a criminal. I didn't do anything
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wrong. I didn't break any laws. They'll let me out of jail. Well, I was wrong. They chose to keep
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me in jail essentially as a way to try to extort more money out of me. And at this point,
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Glenn, I've just had it with this case. I'm done getting pushed around and bullied around for nine
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years. So I finally just said, you know what? I'm just not going to play their games anymore.
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I'll sit through jail. I will go to court in my hearing, you know, in a few days and I'll tell
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the judge my story and explain why I'm not in contempt because essentially the contempt charges
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were brought against us as the UPHE attorneys lied to the judge saying that we had failed to produce
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thousands of documents over the years. So my attorney had a stroke of genius at my hearing on last
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Thursday and showed up with basically a PowerPoint with like 40 something slides that said, your
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honor, look at all the stuff that we've, that we've provided. These are all the things that you threw
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Mr. Sparks in jail for not providing halfway through the hearing. The judge stopped. He looked
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around and he looked at the attorneys for the UPHE and he said, please tell me there's not a man
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sitting in shackles and chains in my courtroom right now because you couldn't communicate correctly.
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Stopped the hearing, called the recess, took the attorneys back in his chambers,
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apologized to my attorney and then came back out and basically said, I can't believe this ever
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happened. Mr. Sparks, I'm at a loss for words. I'm now finally seeing what's happening here and
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you're, you know, you're, you're going to be free immediately. And he said, UPHE, I don't ever want
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to see you in my courtroom again with these guys. So it was a, it was a very vindicating moment, but
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Glenn, the craziest part is this was all about attorney's fees. It was, this was not about the federal
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penalty. We had no problem paying the federal penalty. Under the Clean Air Act, there's a stipulation that says
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if a private action group brings action against you on a clean air violation, even if they only win 1% of
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their claim, they can bill you 100% of the attorney's fees. So their attorney's fees were just this blank
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check. It was an ever going blank check that I said no to.
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And so they weren't coming out because you paid the federal government fees?
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We paid a huge chunk of it. Yes. We've been working with the treasury because it's unique. You know,
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it's a Utah Physicians for Healthy Environment. So you would think, all right, this money should go to the state
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of Utah. And for nine years, I have said, I'll fix this. I'll plant trees.
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I'll fix low income family cars. Let's get the air clean here in Utah. You guys have a, you guys have a cause.
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This is my home. You know, we, we made a mistake back in the early days of our business. Let's do, do some good
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here. And they said, no, they said, we want that money to go to the federal government, um, basically the
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treasury to get subsumed in the giant federal budget. And then more importantly, we want our
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attorney's fees and we want every single penny of them. And we're not going to tell you how much
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they are because you've cost us so much time and money fighting this, that it's, it's just a secret
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number that maybe one day we'll tell you. Um, but we're not going to tell you really, because this
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is a giant press campaign and we don't want this to end. And so we're not going to, Glenn, we've tried
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settling with this case for, for seven years. I've offered, I've made offers month after month after
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month. I've made full price offers. I've made over full price offers. They haven't taken them.
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And why is that? Because they don't want to settle. They want the press, they want the publicity
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and they want to continue to just milk this never ending cow of free, you know, um, just media that
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they've been getting by suing the diesel brothers. But they finally took it one step too far by taking
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someone's freedom. And I got to tell you, people are upset. I'm talking millions and millions and
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millions of people are very upset. We were very upset. My wife and I read about it and we were like,
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what the hell is happening? Um, how control, so is this judge, do you think this is a turning point
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in your case where other judges are going to start to see what's actually happening here?
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This is not only the turning point in our case, but this is also a turning point in this law in
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general. The clean air act is written very broadly and there's a lot of room for interpretation,
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not in favor of whoever the offenders are. Um, remember the clean air act is not a law. It's,
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it's, it's, it's an act that was written and therefore has all sorts of different sorts of
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like enforcement actions that are, that are possible. But there's a guy up in Wyoming right now
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who just got out of prison. He was there for nine months on a life sentence for doing similar stuff
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as us. This has happened all across the country. So finally, Congressmen, senators, lawmakers.
00:24:42.440
Yeah. Yeah. A life sentence for what? Putting a straight pipe out of the engine.
00:24:47.960
Yep. Yep. That's exactly right. It's gotten out of control and these, these environmental
00:24:54.820
attorneys and their groups know that they can exploit it. But Glenn, the scary part is this is
00:25:00.060
not the first time they've done this. Do a quick Google search of the UPHE and their lawsuits.
00:25:04.520
And just what pops up online is going to show you 20 plus different cases that they've done
00:25:09.060
this over the past decade. And it's every single one of them has been settled privately. Their
00:25:13.940
attorney's fees just got, you know, quietly absorbed into the abyss. And I've talked to multiple people
00:25:20.000
that have been sued by them all the way from big fortune 500 companies down to little mom and pop
00:25:23.920
shops. And every single story is the same. They say UPHE ruined my life and UPHE thought they had,
00:25:29.780
you know, their, their, their greatest tale of all time by suing us because it's a big media
00:25:33.600
campaign. Like I said, and I just don't think they were prepared for me to be as stubborn as I am,
00:25:37.880
because I am just, I didn't even realize that I was standing up for something all this time.
00:25:42.280
I just knew that I was standing up for myself and I wasn't okay with what was happening,
00:25:45.020
but it turned out to be a much bigger picture. I was standing up for something that
00:25:49.460
has been a problem for so many years, for so many people. And Glenn, if I didn't,
00:25:54.900
this was going to continue to be a problem. Like, let's say you're driving down the freeway,
00:25:58.200
your check engine light comes on. There's an attorney in your rear view mirror. He can go
00:26:02.400
to the court and say, this person driving in front of me, I can't necessarily prove it,
00:26:07.200
but I know that their car wasn't fully compliant. I'm injured. I need a million dollars tomorrow.
00:26:12.540
And the judge will say, got it. There's no, there's no defense. There's no defense. The Clean
00:26:18.680
Air Act leaves no room for any sort of interpretation of how severe the damages were. So if this doesn't
00:26:24.940
get changed, it's just going to continue to be this, this racket. It's all it is. It's a racket
00:26:30.060
and they've been getting away with it for far too long. So who, who is behind the Physicians for
00:26:35.360
Healthy Environment? Who are these? A guy named Dr. Dr. Brian Monk out of Bountiful, Utah. He is
00:26:41.460
the ringleader. And essentially he's got a handful of other physicians. I don't know if they're
00:26:45.380
practicing physicians or retired or what, but essentially they're activists and they're full-time
00:26:50.520
environmentalists. And they go around the state of Utah looking for anything that is putting
00:26:54.720
anything into the air and they sue it and they sue it into oblivion. And they have this very
00:26:59.540
powerful, broadly written act that allows them to just do endless discovery, do endless paperwork
00:27:05.840
until they basically exhaust resources, exhaust people, and then bully them into submission and
00:27:13.280
essentially get their blank check of attorney's fees. The judge, when he saw it, it was the most
00:27:17.820
pivotal moment probably of my life because the whole courtroom felt it. It was like this palpable
00:27:23.520
moment where I walked in in chains and cuffs and literally ankle, ankle and wrist restraints
00:27:29.000
and my hands to my belly button in a convict jump, jumpsuit and treated like I had just,
00:27:35.000
you know, killed somebody. And the judge started the hearing by basically telling me that I was
00:27:39.580
single-handedly dismantling the constitution by not complying with the court process and how terrible
00:27:44.660
it was that I was doing it. And then he realized halfway through that he'd been lied to. And now he's
00:27:49.160
thinking, how many other cases have I been lied to about this? How many times have these people
00:27:54.220
brought false claims against other people? This, this is a wake in the dragon that nobody even knew
00:27:59.020
was asleep. Um, we, we know the head of the EPA, right? Isn't it Lee Zeldin? Lee Zeldin is good
00:28:05.800
people. Yeah. He's really good people. Have you talked to him about this? So he's getting involved
00:28:10.480
on since that, like I said, there's multiple cases like mine, some are criminal, uh, with the EPA.
00:28:15.700
Well, the funniest part about all this, when this all happened back in 2016, the UPHE filed their case
00:28:21.220
and they took it to the EPA and said, Hey, look what you guys are doing. We had a call at the EPA.
00:28:24.920
And they said, uh, this is like small potatoes. You guys are, you guys are nothing near like
00:28:30.140
something that we need to pursue. You guys aren't doing nearly enough.
00:28:33.220
Biden's EPA did that. Yep. They basically just said, no, sorry, you're, you're, you're too small.
00:28:42.000
There's not enough going on, but you PHE, you may proceed that you have the law go for it. Um,
00:28:47.280
but so this was, this is not criminal. This was not, there was never a criminal charge filed. This
00:28:51.680
was a civil paperwork dispute that landed me in jail for three days in maximum security.
00:28:58.500
Make that make sense. Unbelievable. Uh, well, it's out of control, but it's changing.
00:29:05.760
Yeah. I'm glad. And I'm really glad that, I mean, I'm glad I hate to say it this way,
00:29:10.620
but I'm glad they picked on you because you're not going to sit down, uh, you know, and I think a lot
00:29:15.680
of people feel the same way because you're right. I'm not going to sit down. I'm, I'm too,
00:29:18.720
I'm too dumb to sit down. Uh, Dave, thanks so much for talking to us. All my best. Anything we can do,
00:29:25.300
you just reach out anytime. Okay. I appreciate it. Good to hear from you. Bye-bye Dave, uh,
00:29:29.640
heavy D sparks from the diesel brothers. Uh, I mean all this stuff, this, this is the problem.
00:29:35.900
Our government makes laws, uh, the Congress makes laws, but then because of these agencies,
00:29:42.420
uh, they just enact whatever they want and they can get completely out of control. And it's not just
00:29:49.260
at the, the government level. I'm telling you, there's a real problem in Utah. I mean, Utah is
00:29:55.360
changing and it is becoming a, I think a out of control, dangerous, dangerous place. Uh, and, uh,
00:30:02.960
you know, I can't believe I'm saying it, but that, that is the truth. And a lot of the people from
00:30:09.820
California are moving in and they're like, we really liked this family atmosphere here. We just
00:30:13.760
have to make it more like California, which is killing it all. Uh, but anyway, um, great to hear
00:30:19.360
from, uh, Dave sparks. This is the best of the Glenn Beck program. Good to be back with you again.
00:30:25.740
Yeah. It's always great to have you on. Um, I am really concerned about the progress of these,
00:30:32.280
these, uh, server farms for a couple of reasons. Uh, one, uh, compute is so expensive right now and
00:30:41.780
it's just getting, it's, you know, we're getting maybe, maybe three to 5% of the compute time.
00:30:49.240
These data centers are all being run for the, uh, you know, for the advancement of AI right now.
00:30:55.000
And we're just getting a fraction of it. If you go to chat GPT or, or any of these things,
00:30:59.300
um, and we don't have the server farms, uh, that we need, China is building them like crazy.
00:31:05.820
China is building energy like crazy and we are way behind how bad is this situation and how do we
00:31:13.300
correct it? Well, you know, from out here in the cheap seats, uh, it's very bad. And I say the cheap
00:31:20.540
seats cause I hope Glenn, that somebody behind the scenes is doing this in a more thoughtful way
00:31:25.740
than seems to be happening. We are building these data centers and slapping them in and hooking them
00:31:30.720
up to our power grid. So nationally, since 2022, electricity costs have gone up 35% over just
00:31:37.500
three years, 35%. But if you happen to be unfortunate enough to live near these data centers, you might
00:31:44.480
have seen your electricity costs go up by nearly 300%. Buffalo, it's 197%. Baltimore, it's 125%.
00:31:52.500
Columbus, 110%. Wait, wait, wait. And is all of this due to the server farms?
00:31:58.320
Yes. If you live, it's all by proximity. If you happen to be lucky enough to live more than 50 miles
00:32:03.080
away from a significant data center, your electricity bills have not gone up all that much. So it's just,
00:32:08.420
it's just supply and demand. We're slapping in demand and nobody knows. And I was able to articulate
00:32:13.740
where's the supply going to come from? Well, I talked to the president about this, oh, six months or so
00:32:20.620
ago. And he said, Glenn, I'm, I've, I've instructed the, you know, the EPA and, and the Department of Energy
00:32:28.320
to slash all of the red tape. He said, we're, we, I'm encouraging to use these small nuclear power plants.
00:32:37.480
They're really, really safe. They're much smaller, easier to build. And he said, I'm, I'm making these
00:32:45.420
server farms, utilities. They're, they're going to be responsible for generating their own energy,
00:32:51.500
but I'm not seeing any ground being broken on this or anything happening there. Are you?
00:32:57.900
No. And I would be a huge fan. I'm a giant fan. I put out many pieces supporting this idea of the
00:33:03.320
small modular nukes. Let's get them a huge fan. However, those have, if you want to talk about
00:33:09.860
what is the most red tapey of all possible government entities, it's, it's nuclear regulatory
00:33:15.240
commission. So we'll see what can be done. I think there's only so much you can do by executive order.
00:33:21.140
The rest is sort of bureaucraties and we'll see. But even if we got that going right now,
00:33:27.120
that's going to be years away before those are meaningfully installed. What do we do between here
00:33:32.160
and there? And so on that front, the only option we have, cause we're not putting in coal,
00:33:37.000
nobody wants coal. Fine. We're decommissioning coal. It's going to be natural gas plants.
00:33:42.140
Okay. We happen to be an energy superpower. We make a lot of natural gas, but here's the weird part.
00:33:47.820
The best estimates from the energy agency at the United States department of energy says that
00:33:52.820
natural gas is going to be flat output for the next three to four years. And you mentioned that
00:33:58.420
5% of all electricity demand going to 10% is astonishing, but it looks like by 2028,
00:34:06.240
it's going to be 12% of all electricity production. Tell me what that means to the average person.
00:34:14.100
Your electricity bills are going to explode and your natural gas bills are going to explode
00:34:18.180
because we just don't have enough. This is the biggest, most obvious supply demand mismatch
00:34:23.260
in history. Do you believe that we are looking at a California style situation all over the country
00:34:33.760
Well, you know, if it's either the data centers or the people of Cincinnati getting electricity,
00:34:39.240
the data centers have to operate 24 seven uninterrupted. They don't have any options around
00:34:44.580
that. And let me just put this at scale. So we've heard about they're putting in one gigawatt,
00:34:48.740
two gigawatt data centers. Sam Altman said, we need six, five gigawatt data centers. What does that
00:34:53.880
mean? Denver runs on just under a gigawatt. Oh my gosh. We want to put in a one gigawatt data
00:35:00.840
center, which is this little building. What they're really saying is we want to install an entire
00:35:05.640
Denver's worth of electricity consumption and we're going to use it. We'll see to make videos of cats
00:35:11.120
for now. Oh my gosh. And a six gigawatt. I mean, I mean, only China is at this place. What, how many
00:35:24.680
years will it take us? Let's say we, let's say the president declared, you know, kind of a national
00:35:30.720
emergency that we had to do this kind of like what we did in, in, uh, in the great depression
00:35:35.860
where we built, you know, dams and everything else. Is that even possible today? Um, you know,
00:35:44.680
what is the cost of just the copper wire? Um, do, do, would we have the, the, the transformers and
00:35:52.980
the, and the, and the conductivity, the wiring even to be able to go from a power plant and carry that
00:36:00.700
much power all around the country? Is it even possible? It's a great question. I wish I had
00:36:06.920
good answers for you, but right now there's, there's three things when you have to scale up
00:36:10.620
really big. So time, how much time is going to take the scale of it? It's just the larger the
00:36:15.880
scale, the more planning required and then the cost of it, but the cost has two components,
00:36:20.740
just the dollar cost. But you're mentioning the more important one too, which is, do we have the
00:36:24.180
resources there and resources are copper, but also the skill sets, you know, you just don't go on
00:36:29.840
monster.com and order up, you know, 50,000 utility grade, you know, uh, scale operators,
00:36:35.720
right? It's, we've, we've, we've let a lot of these programs, uh, go into attrition. We don't
00:36:40.680
make our own currently, Hitachi is going to come back in and try and make some of this, but we don't
00:36:44.480
make our own transformers, for example. So we get those from China and those, and those are sometimes
00:36:49.860
a year out. Are they not two years now for most of them? Yeah. So again, could we scale this up?
00:37:00.040
It's possible, but here's, I worry there's a political dimension. You would know more about
00:37:03.980
this than me, but so Trump says it's important. And the first thing that's going to happen is all
00:37:08.240
these activist judges and Democrats are going to say, well, we hate it just because you said so,
00:37:11.860
and they're going to fight it. Um, and they've been very effective at that. And so a lot of energy
00:37:17.620
turns into nimbyism, right? Uh, everybody's sort of in favor of these things until it's in their
00:37:21.880
backyard. And, and then the fights come out. China doesn't care if they have to move 30 villages out of the
00:37:27.040
way of a dam. That's what happens. And the next thing you know, they have a, uh, the electricity
00:37:30.700
they need. So what is the salute? What should we be pushing for as people?
00:37:39.760
Well, I think we have to have a comprehensive plan that says, look, our energy resources should be
00:37:49.480
used by our people right now. There are massive LNG plants going in and Trump loves them, but that's
00:37:56.740
okay. But we take our gas molecules out of the Pennsylvania soil and we put them into a plant and
00:38:01.960
we liquefy it and we send it over to Germany and that's fine, but we should probably be using that
00:38:08.140
right now. I critically say, listen, I know a lot of money went into this, but we need that. Those,
00:38:13.100
those gas molecules for ourself, for our own prosperity, all energy policies have to start with
00:38:18.940
what do we have? How much do we need? And if there's anything left over, that's what we sell.
00:38:24.440
And that's not quite how it's arranged right now. And, uh, how do we, uh, I mean, how do we survive?
00:38:33.460
Can, I mean, can we, can we even compete in this race if we don't have the energy?
00:38:42.680
Well, AI is fundamentally, it's a question of electrical power, right? And so you mentioned
00:38:47.280
exactly the right thing. So it was 2010 when China finally started to produce as much electrical power
00:38:53.180
as the United States. So that was 2010. That was about 4,000, what they call terawatt hours.
00:38:57.920
It's a lot, big number, but that was where they crossed over today. China produces 10,000 terawatt
00:39:03.840
hours and we're still at about 4,000. So they're producing 150% more electricity than we are. So if
00:39:10.280
we said, wow, AI is fundamentally about power and that whoever has the power wins the race,
00:39:15.480
we won't be able to catch up to China anytime soon. And so the concern is that the decision is going
00:39:21.460
to be made. Gosh, AI is too important. It's national security. We have to achieve this crazy
00:39:25.380
thing called EGI or whatever it is. We have to put the electricity there. Then the people get
00:39:30.540
shortchanged on that. And then we call those rolling brownouts or periods of electrical instability.
00:39:37.320
At our current pace, it's a certainty at this point. Something has to change.
00:39:46.580
Chris, thank you so much. Please stay in touch. Any updates on this would be greatly appreciated.
00:39:53.960
Chris Martinson, he is with peakprosperity.com. He's the founder and CEO. You can find him.
00:39:58.420
The website is peakprosperity.com. This is something that I was talking to a guy named Max
00:40:07.800
Tegmark. I don't know if you know who he is. He's an AI ethicist and really, really smart. He wrote
00:40:15.300
Life 3.0 about five years ago. Great book. You should read it. But he talks about all of the issues
00:40:24.200
and what life is going to be like with AI. And we were talking about the problem is all of these things
00:40:31.680
are being discussed at the highest levels. They're being discussed by, you know, Sam Altman is talking
00:40:38.780
about making Sam God. That's what he calls it. Super AI, ASI. He calls it Sam God. He's creating a God.
00:40:47.260
Um, and that's, that's his goal. And this guy is, uh, not a guy I want creating God. Uh, you know,
00:40:56.100
um, and this, this race to ASI is so incredibly dangerous, but just the, just the way that we are
00:41:05.380
moving right now, forget about AGI or ASI, just the demands of regular AI that are coming online.
00:41:14.300
It is going to change our world. It is going to change your job. And nobody is talking to you
00:41:22.180
about it. Where have you ever attended anything where they're, they're going deep dive and talking
00:41:28.420
about this at your level, what it means. Have you heard anybody talk about when your energy bill goes
00:41:34.600
up, you're hearing, well, that's because of Biden energy. Well, is it? Yes. Because they refuse to build
00:41:43.320
anything. In fact, they were dismantling us, but also it's because Biden and everybody else has not
00:41:49.820
paid attention to what is coming. You cannot run a country on what's happening today. You have to have
00:41:58.280
a five, 10, 20 year plan when it comes to technology. You cannot. It's like when Obama pulled out all of
00:42:06.580
those oil rigs in the, in the Gulf of America, he pulls all these oil rigs out and nobody was talking
00:42:13.840
about it. This is not something that you get back into office and put back in. Those are on 20 year,
00:42:20.580
50 year leases. So we pull them out and they're, they're taken down to South America and planted
00:42:27.480
someplace else and you're not getting them back. And it takes years to build new ones.
00:42:32.700
That's the kind of problems that we have. Now we have, we we're doing what's happening in
00:42:39.740
Washington right now. What, why, why is our government closed? And I'm, I'm actually glad
00:42:44.760
that they're closed. I want all of this stuff stopped. Uh, I'm thrilled that they're closed,
00:42:49.300
but why are they closed? Because they're playing games. They're not talking about the things that
00:42:53.140
actually matter. They're not trying to solve anything. They're really not trying to solve
00:42:59.960
anything. At least the Democrats aren't. And you know, they get back in that energy policy.
00:43:06.400
You're going to become Venezuela. This energy policy must change dramatically now. And we have to have
00:43:15.880
the conversation about what is AI. What does it mean? Is it going to be a tool or is it going to be a
00:43:24.100
master? Where is that line? How much do we have to sacrifice as people to have our phones run cat
00:43:31.960
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