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Max Lucado joins the show to talk about the end times and what they may look like. And Rep. Barry Loudermilk of Georgia joins the program to finally have some more truth about President Trump s actions in trying to make sure that January 6th didn t get out of control.
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On today's podcast, if you are a religious person, you want to hear this poll.
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Religious people, only about 50% vote. 50%. You need to listen to today's episode. It's
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very important that you take what is said seriously. And we talked to Max Lucado about
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that. He joins the program to talk about this and even a little bit about the end times and
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what they may look like. And are we in them? And Representative Barry Loudermilk of Georgia
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joins the program. We finally have some more truth about President Trump's actions in trying
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to make sure that January 6th didn't get out of control. It's really important, so important
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that President Trump gets this out there to everyone to see. Maybe you can help on that.
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So let me just give you some data here on the latest poll from George Barna to determine how
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many people of faith are going to go out and vote. What would you say? People of, you know,
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that are religious or how many, what's a percentage that actually go out and vote?
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I mean, 60, 70. Hmm. Yeah. Well, in 2020, it was 61%. Okay. Yeah. That's maybe where my
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impression came from. In 2016, it was 54.6. Wrong direction there. In 2012, 53. Now, based
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on the survey, the new one, seven weeks prior to the election, if the election were held
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at the time of the survey, the expected turnout would be 50%. Surprising. It's going down. Yeah.
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Of all things, you'd think almost the feelings are more intense to vote than they would be
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25 years ago. Now, can you imagine if 70% of people who identified them, identified themselves
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as religious and were actually using the principles that they learned, actually went out and voted? Can
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you imagine? My next six weeks are hell, Glenn? This is my, not my worst time of the year, but my
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worst time of the four years? Yeah. This section of life sucks. Yeah, I know. Right? And if that
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happened, it would make my life a lot better because I wouldn't have to really think that much about
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this stuff. I wouldn't have to run numbers every day. I wouldn't have to do any of that stuff because
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Donald Trump would win easily. If he was, if he had seven, if it was instead of 50% of voters who
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were religious voting, it was 70, there wouldn't be much of a doubt of who's going to win this election.
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If you are a theologically defined born-again Christian, 52% turnout. Protestant, 52%. Catholic, 58%.
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Evangelical, 53%. Mainline Protestant church, 57%. Pentecostal, 50%. Attend a non-denominational
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Christian church, 46%. Self-identified Christian, 52%. Align with non-Christian faith, 50%. Self-identified
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Christian regularly attends church, 61%. Now, here's the reason why people say they're not voting.
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The reason, given by two-thirds of the non-voters, 68%, they say they're just not interested in politics
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or elections. You probably should be because they're interested in you. Politicians are certainly
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interested in you and they're really interested when you don't pay attention. 68%, I don't pay
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attention. Other reasons, more than half of the non-voters included disliking all of the major
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candidates. 57%. 55% feeling that none of the candidates reflect their most important views.
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52% say, my vote's not going to make a difference. Half of the non-voters say they will avoid voting
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because the election has become too controversial for their liking. 48% say, well, the election's going to
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be rigged. Not knowing enough about the candidate, 48%. How is that possible? I mean, all of the things
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that you could say, that one, I don't know enough. Well, you're seven weeks away. You could, you know,
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you could look them up. You could do that. Guys, voting started. It's time to get the engines running.
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How many states have already started voting? I don't know that. Pennsylvania, Minnesota,
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South Dakota, New Jersey, Vermont, Virginia, Illinois, and Wyoming start this week. So that's time.
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I mean, it might be time to look at it. Right. So here's a couple of things that you can do.
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If you are in a church, you need to convince your pastor or priest or whatever to teach the
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congregants that voting is a biblical responsibility of every Christian, it would cause an estimated 17%
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of the people of faith who plan not to vote actually participate in election day. If your pastor,
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your priest, your leader said, this is biblically required, your participation in an election to pick
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sound people. That's your responsibility. 17% more would vote.
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No, no, I don't mean the numbers. I mean, is it biblically required?
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Yes. Oh yeah. To select, to select righteous leaders.
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I mean, I, I mean, I think it's a service and certainly a civic duty, but I don't think I'd ever
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thought about it in those terms. And I, I mean, we talk about this stuff all the time.
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I certainly, that would make, I mean, if, if someone made a good argument to me other than
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you, um, that would probably, if I was a person on the fence.
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But I think if I was on the fence on that and I heard, hey, like, here's this scripture that tells
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you, you need to do this. That, that would be something that I think from a pastor or priest.
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Sarah, see if we can get Max Licato on the phone. Uh, another 14% claim that if they perceived
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the race to be close enough that their vote might actually make a difference, then they
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would cast a ballot. Well, I mean, it doesn't get any closer than this one. And yeah. And
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Donald Trump once states, I mean, what was the closest state? 11,000? About that. Yeah.
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Yeah. 11,000. Yeah. If, if it's very, very close. Yeah. If you choose, they're going to be
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other people like you. It is razor thin. Close. A guilt-based or fear-based strategy might
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impact one out of every 10. You're going to hell if you don't do it. I like that. I mean,
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I'm willing to say that. I mean, I'm not going to judge it, but you are going to hell if you
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don't. One out of, uh, uh, one out of 10 non-voters said that if a religious leader they
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highly respect endorsed a presidential candidate, then they could justify voting. What, what
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is that? I don't understand that. I don't understand that one at all. I mean, you don't
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trust yourself. You don't have your own intellect. You don't have access to God. What, what is
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that? You do your own homework, then you pray on it and you make a decision based on that.
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So what are the things, what are the things that can actually make a difference? Well, let's
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look, uh, for those people who, um, who are objecting that they're not interested in politics
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or election. I know it seems like Washington is a far, far away place. However, political
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decisions influence everything you do. This one could mean you either keep your healthcare
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or you lose your healthcare. One candidate is saying they're going to get rid of all private
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insurance and we're going to go to a system like Canada. You don't want that. So you have
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healthcare. How about education? Are your kids in school? Tell me how one side is the
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is pushing for drag queen story hours in kindergarten and taking away your children. If you don't
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confirm their gender selection, uh, how does that not affect you? It's not removed from you. It
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is very, very close. One is talking about a, a, uh, taking away private businesses. If they cared
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to taking away your right to free speech, you can't say certain things. And if you do, you could go to
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jail. You'll be shut down. One is talking about, uh, price controls, which over and over and over
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again throughout history will drive the cost of your food and everything you buy through the roof.
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It doesn't work. How does that not personally affect you? It does. It does. Everything you do.
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This election will touch you. You dislike all of the candidates. Okay. I can get that. I, I, I, I understand
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that, but sometimes it is the lesser evil mentality, but I don't think that's the case here.
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I think you could make a case that there is evil. And then there is, I don't like the guy.
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Anyone who tries to take your freedom to choose your freedom, they will make the decisions for you.
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They will run your life. They will tell you what stove you can and cannot buy. They will tell you
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what you do with your own property. They will tell you exactly how you're paid. They'll, they'll,
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they'll take more of your money to do what with it to, to go kill more people around the world.
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I mean, look, I, I was for the Iraq war. I was wrong on that. It was the information I had at the time, but
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I really thought we were, I thought we were really different this time around. I thought we were going
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in to win things, uh, and not just to flex our muscles and, and really do nothing but waste lives.
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We see that that wasn't true. I've changed. I think most people have changed.
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So what side are you on the side of, you know, it's really amazing to me.
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The only right that Kamala's side will fight for is the right to kill.
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You don't have a right to stand up and say, no, wait a minute. Hang on just a second. I don't think
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that's right. You're going to lose your right to your property.
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What right do they stand for? The right to murder children, the right to mutilate children and the
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right to go to war and kill people. That doesn't sound good.
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None of the candidates reflect your most important views.
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My most important view is individual freedoms and liberties.
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That everybody has a right to make their own way.
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If your most important views don't reflect the Declaration of Independence,
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then you're not really, you don't know what an American is.
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An American believes that there are certain things that are self-evident,
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and among these things are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness,
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and that all men are created equal and endowed by their creator with certain
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And the governments are instituted among men to protect those rights.
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So the government's real power is not in Washington.
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I can't think of a more important idea than that one.
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And you might think, well, of course I believe that.
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Well, yeah, but a lot of people no longer believe that.
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If you do believe that, you have to go and vote for that.
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Because one side believes in that, the other side no longer believes it.
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They'll give you lip service, but they're also telling you they're not,
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They're not for all of these crazy bills that they were for.
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Kamala's whole life, her whole life has been about those things.
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In six weeks, she just changed her mind on everything?
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And as I said, your vote will make a difference.
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And if you're a religious person, it doesn't matter if your vote doesn't count.
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But you have a civic and religious responsibility to let your voice be heard in selecting good,
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honorable, or the most honorable person that you can find.
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The one that is standing up for the principles that you and I believe in.
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You know, once upon a time, we lived in a country with a wide diversity of opinions,
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Do you think this is good for your children to have, you know,
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We might not all have the same religion or, you know, the same opinion,
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but we could agree, for instance, that life was precious at one point.
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We might not have belonged to the same political party,
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but we could agree that government should be kept small.
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So, Max, let's start with a question that I had this morning.
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Aren't we required, as followers of Christ and, you know, even the God of the Old Testament,
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But my go-to passage on this question, and by the way, thank you for letting me have just a couple of moments
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to remind everybody that we are called, as believers, to support our government.
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And the most direct teaching on this topic is in the book of Romans, chapter 13,
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which is important to read in the context of Paul, writing a church that was a minority in society
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and also in a culture that oppressed believers.
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Okay, so with that in mind, listen to what he says.
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He says every person must submit to and support the authorities over him.
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Then he says there can be no authority in the universe except by God's appointment,
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which means that every authority that exists has been instituted by God.
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But I think what he's saying here, Glenn, is that God is sovereign.
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And whether you like or don't like the person in charge, God is still in control.
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Then later he says those in authority are God's servants.
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And then he says, this is the reason you pay your taxes.
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Now, he doesn't say this is the reason you vote, but he could have.
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And so I think what he's reminding us to do is that if we live in a culture,
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we have a role in supporting and directing the health of that culture.
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I don't know how far down this road you want to go.
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But there are people that will say, well, I can't vote for Donald Trump because he's done all these bad things.
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How do you talk to somebody if, because he does represent a much more biblical agenda than the other side?
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And the other side is looking at things that just go against the scriptures like crazy.
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How do you talk to people when you say, well, there's no, there's, I don't like either of them.
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Number one, I would say, go talk to somebody who has lost a loved one in military service or talk to somebody who has served overseas in an international conflict and go tell them that you don't want to vote.
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But, you know, I've never, I've never shed blood for our country.
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And I think the least I can do for them, even if I'm struggling on finding a candidate, the least I can do for them is my patriotic call.
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And then secondly, I might say, could you go with me to and pick out any number of countries, Glenn, Venezuela, Cuba, parts of, you know, Eastern Europe, Russia.
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But let's go over there and let's talk to those people who never have had a chance to express their opinion.
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And let's tell them that since we don't like our candidates, we're just not going to vote at all and see what they say to us.
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They would say, oh, I would love just to have a voice, a vote.
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It's sometimes very difficult to land on a candidate that represents your values.
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But I think it's I think it's worth it to give it a go.
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So how do you if you're just going to go off of, you know, your faith and it's not just that you don't like it.
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You think that they're both offensive to your faith.
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OK, well, I know people who think I can't vote for him and I can't vote for her.
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So how do you how do you decide in that in that case?
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How what scriptures would you point us to that's that could help you decide?
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So my recommendation would be to, number one, choose to vote, choose to vote.
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Then my recommendation, number two, would be to make a list of the values.
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I love you're using that word that represents your heart.
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If you're in wait, then wait, then make a list of your values of abortion, immigration, economy.
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I'm not trying to urge people in our conversation to vote a certain way.
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What I'm saying is you make a list of the values that you sense the Lord has placed a burden on your heart for.
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The difference somebody may say, mine is 90 percent pro-life.
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Others might say mine is 60 percent pro-life, 40 percent with street integration with a better tool.
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Okay, so I'm just saying make a list of the values that matter to you.
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Weight them and then say, I'm going to find the candidate that best reflects my values.
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And as a pastor, I've never felt comfortable telling people how to vote, but I have felt comfortable in telling people,
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weight your values when you study scripture as a follower of God, as a lover of Christ.
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Just what matters to you, because the Holy Spirit lives in you, and he will help you.
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There was, I don't think there'll ever come a time that we have one candidate that reflects us 100 percent.
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But certainly we can find one candidate that represents us at least 51 percent and go in that direction.
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What if your value, one of your main values, is honesty and integrity?
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I still don't think that excuses us from not voting, though.
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And I don't, I'm not trying to be overdramatic, but if I need to be overdramatic, I will.
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I mean, people have shed their blood for Max Locato to have this privilege.
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I need to step into it, and if it's basically leaning a certain direction, then lean in that
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If you've got to hold your nose when you step into the voting booth, hold your nose, but
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So, Max, I've known you for a long time, and I just love you, and I know you as a very
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And I'm not one that, I didn't expect you to write the book, What Happens Next, and that's
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all about the signs of the end times and what all of that means.
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Yeah, it's just what we're seeing in the world.
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In today's headlines, only about Israel and Hezbollah, only affirms that something is
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Scripture speaks that in the end times, Israel will be surrounded by enemies, and there'll
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In the book, I'll list a variety of things, but even today's headlines are convincing me
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that we're not just in the end times, but that we're in the end of end times.
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It's my belief that Christ will come for His church before the tribulation.
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I know there are others who say we will endure that tribulation.
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But I do believe that the Lord is sovereign, and I do believe we need to pay close attention
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to these signs because they're unlike anything.
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Ever since May 8th, 1948, when Israel became a nation, we entered a new chapter, a new chapter
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We have Representative Barry Loudermilk with us.
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And he is going to talk to us a little bit about the newly released transcripts from January
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6th and the transcripts that show what Donald Trump said in the days leading up to January
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6th, urging the Pentagon to take extra security measures to keep January 6th safe, and they
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So tell me what this is actually showing us, because it's not just, if I may read the
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president, what he said, there's going to be a large amount of protesters here on the
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Make sure that you have a sufficient National Guard or soldiers to make sure it's a safe
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I don't care if you use guard or soldiers, active duty soldiers, do what you have to do.
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And that was a sworn testimony by General Milley to the Department of Defense Inspector
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And that conversation happened on January 3rd, three days leading up to January 6th.
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He testified to that it would have been later in 2021 to the Department of Defense Inspector
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Now, what got us in this direction is we were investigating the two delays of National Guard
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There was the first delay because U.S. Capitol Police Chief Sund, he sensed the same thing the
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A lot of the Capitol Police officers are being quarantined or they're sick.
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He wanted some additional forces and requested D.C.
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Now, that requires an official request for the D.C.
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National Guard because the president can't just deploy military forces without a request.
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Under current law, that had to come from the Capitol Police Board, which pretty much Pelosi
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is going to be involved in that decision making.
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But for whatever reason, his request was denied internally within Congress.
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Even on to January 6th, he had made requests like when the outer perimeters were breached.
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Finally, when shots were fired in the Capitol, the Democrats were like, well, we need help.
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At 2.30, the formal request was made to the Pentagon.
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Now, we already know, as you just brought up, that President Trump had ordered the National
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And we know that they took that seriously because the National Guard on January 6th was
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mustered at the armory less than two miles away from the Capitol with riot gear ready to
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So but from 2.30, when the request was made, there was about a three hour delay before the
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order was given for the National Guard to deploy.
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Their report was the National Guard wasn't ready.
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Well, we started having senior officers and enlisted members from the National Guard coming
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to us as whistleblowers saying that isn't at all what happened.
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So we started launching an investigation into the DOD IG report.
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And after this has been months and months of battle with the Department of Defense, quite
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frankly, that's the 800 pound gorilla in this town.
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And they provided us all the evidence that they had acquired the DOD IG in their investigation,
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which was 44 transcribed interviews under oath.
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When we got those, we realized this was a huge cover up because they were purposefully, the
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National Guard was purposefully delayed by the Pentagon.
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Some were, but that was most of, nobody liked the optics, but we didn't have senior officials
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who were saying, my ultimate plan was to make sure the National Guard never got anywhere
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So tell me about Christopher Miller, because if I'm reading this right, he was the acting
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He said the president commented that they were going to need 10,000 troops the following day.
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I interpreted it as a bit of presidential banter or President Trump banter that you're
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And in no way, shape or form did I interpret that as an order or direction.
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On January 6th, everyone was like, did you hear the president's speech?
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I was cognizant of the fears that the president would invoke the Insurrection Act to politicize
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And just before the Electoral College certification, 10 former secretaries of defense signed an op-ed
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piece published in the Washington Post, warning of the dangers of politicizing and using inappropriately
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Nothing like that was going to occur on my watch.
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And that was testimony that he gave to the Department of Defense IG under oath.
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And what he's talking about is Liz Cheney kind of orchestrated in advance an op-ed by former
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You know, they were afraid that Trump was going to come out and try to use the military to stop
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There is nothing that any evidence that we have obtained or that we can find anywhere to
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But as I said earlier, someone took what Trump said as serious because the National Guard had
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They were ready to go in the morning of January 6th.
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National Guard finally was shown, that statement that Trump made to General Milley, he said, I
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Politics and your political belief should never be a factor involved when it comes to safety
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If they were afraid that there was an act of insurrection that was going to take place
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and they saw the violence going on at the Capitol that day, and that was an act of insurrection,
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did they participate in it by holding back the very troops that could quell it?
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And, you know, there's one thing about taking an order that is constitutional and one that
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So, in other words, if he said, look, there's going to be a possible riot, we need 10,000
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troops there, let's make sure the Capitol is safe.
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Okay, well, I'm worried that he's going to use those troops for something else.
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No, because the military has to execute what the president says unless it's an unlawful order.
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Then it is their responsibility to not say, well, I was just following orders.
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So, if it was an unconstitutional order, the Pentagon could have stopped it, correct?
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I think there's a case to be made that this was premeditated because on January the 5th,
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the Secretary of the Army revised or sent a memo to General Walker, who is the commanding
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National Guard and placed greater restrictions on him on when he can deploy and how.
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I mean, they even restricted you can't be armed.
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But basically what he said is you cannot deploy without my express permission that I have to
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So, basically, General Walker's in the situation where if President Trump called him directly
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and said, get over there, and the Secretary of the Army didn't tell him, he would be in
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So, there were greater restrictions placed on the D.C.
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National Guard, which to me shows some kind of premeditation.
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Maybe it was fear that Trump was going to go rogue or whatever, but he's still the commander
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And the request was to get National Guard there to help keep the Capitol safe, not to participate
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You know, you can't say, well, this is what he intended.
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What he said, as the commander in chief, is keep the Capitol safe.
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Now, if he would have said, you know what, go in and tell Congress they are going to...
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However, and if he got on TV and said, you know, I'm telling them now to go in, the American
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One is, how did the DOD IG, out of all this exact same evidence that we're looking at,
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how did they come up with a report that it was the National Guard that was the problem?
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Now, this, I'm still getting my head wrapped around this.
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There is no way you could come up with that conclusion unless you're just trying to cover
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Senior officers, senior civilians within the Department of Defense.
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And so we're asking of the Department of Defense IG, how can this be?
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Of course, their response is, we don't see any need to correct it.
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I've said from the beginning, I'm coming to this from an unbiased opinion.
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We're going to just get the facts out there and let the facts speak for themselves.
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And there's another angle to this that's a problem.
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There are senior executive level folks in the DOD that testified one thing to the Department
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of Defense IG, but testified differently to the select committee on January 6th.
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And so this is something that we're starting to look at now, doing a side-by-side comparison.
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Or was it that they were confident that the DOD, their testimonies to DOD IG would never
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So it's just more layers of the story, the corruption, and the cover-ups that have happened regarding
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Because as it comes down to it, the select committee on January 6th had a predetermined narrative.
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They had, before they started it all, Nancy Pelosi had already set what their final report
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And they were going to collect evidence to support it.
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And as we've talked on this show before, any evidence that didn't support it or actually
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told a different story, they suppressed, they hid, or they deleted.
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And fortunately, we've been able to recover most of that.
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Congressman Barry Loudermilk from the great state of Georgia, thank you so much for this.
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Anybody who wants to talk about January 6th, this is the quote.
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And you can get it from the House Subcommittee on Oversight.
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This is the quote from Donald Trump the day before.
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There's going to be a large amount of protesters here on the 6th.
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Make sure that you have sufficient National Guard or soldiers to make sure it's a safe event.
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I don't care if you use Guard, soldiers, active duty soldiers.