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00:02:34.440 Let me talk to you about what Chris Bedford wrote.

00:02:39.800 He is the Blaze News senior editor for politics.

00:02:43.520 He's our Washington correspondent.

00:02:46.500 He lives not in the swamp, near the swamp.

00:02:51.180 He's always on the edges of the swamp, peering into the abyss and reporting what's happening in the abyss.

00:02:56.900 And he wrote a story that I read early this morning, the doge that caught the car.

00:03:04.380 Christopher Bedford is with us now to go through it because I think this is a great analysis on what happened yesterday.

00:03:12.740 So, Chris, let's start there.

00:03:14.400 What happened yesterday?

00:03:16.420 Thanks for having me.

00:03:17.380 It's great to be here.

00:03:18.680 Yesterday, we started the season.

00:03:21.140 It was complicated.

00:03:22.520 The spending fights at the end of the year are always difficult.

00:03:25.060 You kind of have to break it down by what is best for the incoming administration.

00:03:30.960 What are their goals?

00:03:31.820 What are they working on?

00:03:33.140 And sometimes it's going to go against some of the maybe secondary objectives that you have.

00:03:39.020 The first thing it was, it's a vote of no confidence in the Republican Speaker of the House, Mike Johnson.

00:03:46.120 And it's also a shot across the bow for some of the fiscal conservatives or the fiscal hawks who I generally agree with.

00:03:51.880 But it was a shot across their bow, and it's a best-case scenario, I think, for President Donald Trump, elect Donald Trump, and his incoming administration.

00:03:59.600 Now, when you say it was a shot across the bow, they want to cut the budget.

00:04:07.640 And I know Donald Trump doesn't worry about the budget because he believes he focuses on growth.

00:04:12.260 But even he knows that it's going to take unbelievable growth to just dig us out of this hole we're already in.

00:04:21.220 So I think maybe for the first time, I've seen a guy who does care about the deficit and the debt more than he ever has.

00:04:33.380 But he knows he has to not only cut the debt by cutting the spend of the government, mainly by cutting the size of the government and cleaning up all the corruption.

00:04:43.420 But he also has to serve the people and get the money to the entrepreneurs and to the regular person so they have money to be able to buy.

00:04:52.860 And that you don't want to print money like Biden did.

00:04:55.140 You've got to give it back to him in taxes.

00:04:56.760 So we're in this transition period, are we not, where, you know, one of them has to happen first.

00:05:04.040 They both have to happen.

00:05:05.740 But you've got to get the taxes down first and then start cutting the government by cutting the regulation, etc., etc.

00:05:13.320 And I believe he'll do that.

00:05:16.960 Some of the Republicans think they're playing the old game.

00:05:19.800 And if we're playing the old game where they promise stuff and then never do it, we're in deep trouble.

00:05:24.420 But I don't think Donald Trump does that.

00:05:26.760 No, I don't think he does either.

00:05:28.560 But you have to look a little bit about what he ran on.

00:05:32.100 And deficit hawk was not his number one priority.

00:05:35.460 It was reinvigorating the American economy, reconfiguring our trade deals, being able to actually deport a lot of the violent criminals and illegal aliens who have invaded the country, particularly over the last four years, breaking America's borders.

00:05:48.560 And those things are all going to cost money at the outset, bringing back American manufacturing.

00:05:53.640 So it's kind of like how when Ronald Reagan was elected president, he ended up fighting with some great principled conservatives like Ron Paul back in the day because his number one goal was defeating the Soviet Union, not always cutting budgets.

00:06:08.540 So sometimes Republicans in Congress would come up with deals that come back to the White House back in the 80s and say, look, they're going to cut two dollars in domestic spending for every dollar we cut military spending.

00:06:18.040 And the White House would reject that deal because he said we need the number one objective here is why we were elected.

00:06:25.140 And this is what the way Trump is looking at this.

00:06:27.120 And he's looking out across 2025, which is going to have a lot of different minefields for him, a lot of different leverage points.

00:06:32.740 And principled conservatives like Chip Roy like to fight for those leverage points.

00:06:37.520 They can use them in negotiations to try and extract concessions from Democrats.

00:06:43.260 The problem for a lot of them is that they're not backed up by principled leaders who are very good at this.

00:06:49.600 So you have Donald Trump looking out and saying, I don't want to send Mike Johnson into the room to negotiate the debt limit six months in my administration.

00:06:57.480 When Democrats have now got their groove back and believe me, the Democratic base is not now, but six months into deportations and Donald Trump's new agenda, they will be screaming for blood.

00:07:09.540 And there's no way that they will not get concessions if they walk into those negotiations.

00:07:13.700 So Trump wants to clear the deck of that sort of thing.

00:07:16.800 So he was but he was elected on.

00:07:19.060 You're right.

00:07:19.520 Fixing the economy, curbing inflation and all of that.

00:07:22.960 By the way, I'm at America Fest, AmFest with Charlie Kirk and his event today.

00:07:28.280 That's what you're hearing in the background.

00:07:29.560 I'm in Phoenix.

00:07:31.160 But, you know, you said fixing the economy and deporting, you know, and stopping the illegal immigration. 1.00

00:07:37.780 But he was also I think these are equal things.

00:07:42.440 Fix the economy.

00:07:44.580 Fix the immigration problem. 0.98

00:07:46.560 And the third one was cut the size of government, cut all of these, the deep state out.

00:07:54.920 So he is motivated to do all three.

00:07:57.700 It's not just the defeating of communism with Reagan.

00:08:03.920 These all work together hand in hand.

00:08:06.760 It's just which one are you going to do first?

00:08:08.980 Getting the money back to the American people, not through stimulus, but through tax cuts is his first step.

00:08:16.980 He's got to do the other two that are going to cost money.

00:08:20.800 And until the economy really starts to take off and you're getting more taxes as the government, because people are making more money, you're not going to be able to accomplish two in three.

00:08:34.380 So for this one exception, I think he should have been given the the the debt ceiling.

00:08:43.100 So we're not fighting that as well.

00:08:45.880 I agree.

00:08:46.980 Yeah, I do.

00:08:48.880 I agree with that completely.

00:08:50.100 He's got two big fights essentially already on the books coming up.

00:08:54.120 He's going to have to convince Republicans with a slim majority in the Senate.

00:08:57.340 That means Susan Collins, that means Lisa Murkowski to appropriate 100 billion dollars to help with his border enforcement and to help actually fulfill his campaign promise on getting the gangs out of here, getting MS-13 out of your neighborhoods. 1.00

00:09:13.080 And then he's going to also try and go back.

00:09:15.040 Right now they have these two different moves.

00:09:16.860 I think they're going to end up having to combine them to move the Senate to ask to make the Trump tax cuts permanent, something that's going to affect everyone's pocketbook, affect their families' abilities to save, make those permanent.

00:09:29.360 And these are things that are also hard with Republicans in the House and in the Senate, because these aren't corporate tax cuts.

00:09:34.980 These are family tax cuts.

00:09:36.760 You can pass any corporate tax cuts you want through Washington, D.C. with Republicans.

00:09:40.840 But it's a lot harder when it's actually something that hits you and me and your listeners and our families.

00:09:45.760 And those are two of the things he's got already difficult fights on.

00:09:49.300 He's got the nomination process.

00:09:50.960 He's got to get people like RFK and Pete Hexess through.

00:09:54.860 So then to add a June debt ceiling thing, even though I see where the fiscal conservatives are coming from, it just sets him up to pick losses from the Democrats.

00:10:04.440 You know, Liz said earlier that Liz Wheeler is with me this weekend. 0.89

00:10:09.100 And she said earlier that the, gosh, now I forgot.

00:10:16.020 I'm sorry, I just lost my, it is so hard to concentrate here.

00:10:18.620 Liz, when we were talking about this last hour, you made a point on the fiscal conservatives and trying to move us in timing.

00:10:31.600 Can you make that?

00:10:32.780 Yeah, I think the word that best defines this fight when you're watching it is disruption, right?

00:10:39.000 And Chris, you can tell me if, you can tell me if this is what tracks with what you're seeing in Washington, D.C.

00:10:43.760 But it's not that Chip Roy is principally wrong.

00:10:47.020 He's principally correct.

00:10:48.680 It's that the process that we've seen in Washington, D.C. by, for decades now, of Republicans claiming to be fiscal conservatives, they haven't effectively gotten that done.

00:10:58.460 And so what Trump is doing now is he's hired a disruptor, Elon Musk, to come in with Doge and retool this entire process, do it a different way.

00:11:08.040 And it seems like that just there hasn't quite been the marriage of those principled fiscal conservatives with this new disruptive process that I think we should give Trump credit for because it actually has already worked because the first 1,500 page bill, all of the stuff that you had a problem with in that bill has, we killed it.

00:11:28.300 Yes.

00:11:29.900 So we had a win.

00:11:31.040 Yeah, that's exactly correct.

00:11:32.900 Right.

00:11:33.160 But now they are.

00:11:36.860 They really are.

00:11:37.620 And the fiscal conservatives are right in principle.

00:11:40.320 How do we train or convince people, like a very good friend who's coming on, Chip Roy, that, Chip, this isn't the same game?

00:11:52.260 Because you have Elon Musk and Doge and the entire country focused and excited about that, you've got to give this guy breathing room and credit because he's got to spend money as he's cutting money.

00:12:08.720 But he can't keep having battles.

00:12:12.320 He's got to get the things that we all agree on, get them done right now.

00:12:18.100 And if it means you're going to have to extend some things you don't like, but you know they're going to cut them later, go with it.

00:12:26.640 Get it done now.

00:12:27.680 How do we convince them?

00:12:29.640 You know, that's part of the art of the compromise and the art of the possible that is politics in general.

00:12:34.620 And I've been in the swamp now.

00:12:36.240 I moved here six months before George W. Bush's second inauguration.

00:12:40.380 So it's been 20 years.

00:12:41.920 And I don't think that I've seen anything like we saw this past week where the House of Representatives and the Senate come through.

00:12:48.960 They've got their big pork Christmas gifts.

00:12:51.520 They've got their everything ready.

00:12:53.500 And then suddenly someone says no.

00:12:55.120 And those people were Chip Roy, those people were Elon Musk, and then Donald Trump and J.D.

00:13:00.100 Vance over the top who came in and blew it up in the Senate and the House's faces.

00:13:05.120 And they were shocked to have someone say, this isn't going to go, this isn't going to pass.

00:13:10.340 And that was a huge victory for people like Chip to get that out there.

00:13:13.840 But at that point, you have to look at the objectives that you've reached and order them properly.

00:13:20.700 So what's the number one objective for the next year of this administration?

00:13:24.820 Would Trump have been a success as president if he cut 2% off the deficit?

00:13:29.860 Or would he be a success as president if he was able to fulfill his campaign promises and bring manufacturing back?

00:13:36.860 Get these gangs out of here.

00:13:38.120 Fix the border.

00:13:38.680 Or what's the real long-term difference?

00:13:42.000 So it's important to be that guy on the ramparts at some point at dawn, fighting at the end of the day.

00:13:47.640 But then you have to also understand when to take a win and when to say, this is a fight that's not worth going to loggerheads with the administration over.

00:13:57.540 And that's where he's got to get to.

00:13:59.700 Yeah.

00:14:00.360 Okay.

00:14:00.840 Chip Roy is coming up in just a second.

00:14:02.420 Chris, thank you so much.

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00:14:07.840 He tells the truth, and I think his analysis is right.

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00:14:33.220 Thank you, Chris.

00:14:34.000 I appreciate it.

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00:15:53.940 I think we have a great opportunity today to show you how to have a tough conversation with friends, friends,

00:16:04.500 where you deeply disagree on something, but you know that their intent is good.

00:16:12.620 They know my intent is good or our intent is good.

00:16:16.540 And we actually have the same end goal, but we disagree on the path and we're going to walk away friends.

00:16:24.580 Chip Roy is joining us today.

00:16:27.640 And Chip, I love you, and I always will, and I agree with your, we've got to cut spending.

00:16:35.400 We have to.

00:16:36.740 But Liz Wheeler is with me, and we've been talking about it all morning.

00:16:40.700 It's the system of Doge and Trump, the call out to the world and saying, you've got to surround the Capitol,

00:16:50.840 you know, the bad guys are in and about to take all the money, surround and tell them, come out with your hands up.

00:16:56.840 And that happened, and we scored a massive win in an entirely new way.

00:17:01.640 And then you stood on principle, one we both agree with, and it failed.

00:17:10.500 And so here's, here's what Liz and I were talking about it.

00:17:13.420 Here's what we want to say to you and then get your response.

00:17:17.160 Hi, Congressman.

00:17:18.120 Hi, Congressman Roy.

00:17:18.900 This is the way that I see it, and I want your take on this.

00:17:21.560 I love you.

00:17:22.120 I think you're one of the best members of Congress.

00:17:23.980 I disagree with you on the process of what's happening.

00:17:27.320 And I think that is the difference, the process.

00:17:29.920 We elected Donald Trump to be a disruptor because Republican members of Congress for decades

00:17:36.360 have been telling us they're fiscal conservatives, they want to decrease the debt ceiling.

00:17:40.400 It hasn't happened.

00:17:42.100 It hasn't been done.

00:17:44.260 And so Donald Trump comes in with Elon Musk and uses this Doge process to first identify

00:17:50.420 these pieces of garbage in the first 1,500-page bill and take those things to the people.

00:17:57.160 We took them to members of Congress. 0.94

00:17:59.120 Congress said, OK, we'll listen to you.

00:18:01.460 So that new process was very effective.

00:18:04.500 And my question to you is, once that process was proved to be effective, which I think is

00:18:09.100 exciting and wonderful, how do we bridge this divide with you to say, OK, let's put some

00:18:15.660 faith in this new process and trust Elon Musk and Donald Trump and the Doge process to eventually

00:18:21.960 address the debt ceiling but get this done right now?

00:18:24.940 And not blind trust.

00:18:26.840 Chip.

00:18:27.040 So appreciate you guys.

00:18:30.380 Appreciate being on the show.

00:18:32.000 Number one, in no particular order, I'm going to go through a couple of things.

00:18:35.460 Number one, it is important to remember that my job and my duty is to the Constitution, to

00:18:40.260 God and to the people I represent.

00:18:42.380 I told them when I came to Washington, I would not, I would not lift the credit card in the

00:18:47.500 debt ceiling and the borrowing of the United States without the spending restraint necessary

00:18:51.340 to offset it.

00:18:52.800 Right now, all we have are promises and ideas and notions.

00:18:56.800 What I know that neither of you respectfully know and that none of your listeners respectfully

00:19:03.020 know are the people in the room that I was in with yesterday and the day before who are

00:19:09.220 recalcitrant and do not want to do the spending cuts that we seek to do, that I believe the

00:19:16.440 president and the Doge guys and Russ vote and everybody want to do. 0.98

00:19:20.600 My job is to force that through the meat grinder to demand that we do our damn job. 0.99

00:19:28.460 Okay, that's number two. 0.99

00:19:29.820 Okay, wait, wait.

00:19:30.700 Hold on, Glenn.

00:19:31.140 No, hold on.

00:19:31.960 All right, you're right.

00:19:32.600 You're right.

00:19:33.020 You're right.

00:19:33.280 Go ahead.

00:19:33.780 Number three, when we were going through the bill, I'm glad the bill dropped from 1,550

00:19:38.940 pages to 116 pages, three quarters of Twitter or X or whatever you want to call it, have

00:19:43.840 been out there basically spreading false facts that we supported that bill and didn't like

00:19:50.520 the better bill.

00:19:51.600 That's not true.

00:19:52.700 But let's be clear, the 1,400 pages that were cut out, it's not a panacea.

00:19:56.900 There was some good stuff in there.

00:19:58.260 There was some bad stuff in there.

00:19:59.860 There's a lot of misinformation.

00:20:01.420 There wasn't a $70,000 pay raise.

00:20:03.720 There was a $3,000 pay raise.

00:20:05.520 I didn't support any pay raise.

00:20:07.200 I didn't support a lot of the stuff in there, but there's a lot of misinformation.

00:20:11.040 And here's the thing, the 116 pages that were left, and I opposed violently the first

00:20:16.660 bill.

00:20:17.180 I was leading the charge on fighting and killing the first bill.

00:20:21.420 And I love you.

00:20:23.180 The second bill for 116 pages turned off the pay go requirements that we flashed $1.7 trillion

00:20:32.520 automatically and added a $5 trillion debt ceiling increase.

00:20:37.200 My view was I could not support that without a clear understanding of what cuts we will

00:20:43.740 get in mandatory spending next year and undoing of the Inflation Reduction Act, the undoing

00:20:49.620 of the student loans, the undoing of the thrifty crap with the food stamps and everything else.

00:20:55.000 I yield back. 0.89

00:20:55.480 Okay, I yield back.

00:20:58.920 Chip, you're not in a hostile room.

00:21:01.340 We love you.

00:21:02.720 And we agree with your end goals.

00:21:04.900 It's our end goal, too.

00:21:06.120 We didn't make that promise that you made to the people that voted for you.

00:21:09.920 So we have more wiggle room here.

00:21:13.400 But you say, I think our big difference is you say, I know the guys in the room.

00:21:18.580 You're right.

00:21:19.740 You do.

00:21:20.480 And we seeded that earlier today on the show.

00:21:23.640 You are, one of us is wrong on trust.

00:21:27.640 I don't trust any of the weasels in Washington, but I think Donald Trump and Elon Musk and

00:21:34.540 Vivek Ramaswamy have earned enough trust to get a grace period here for the first, maybe

00:21:42.440 the first year or at least six months to turn the economy around and also reduce the size

00:21:50.700 of the government and totally flip this thing.

00:21:53.740 And I know as somebody who has, you know, run a company, mainly into the ground, but

00:22:00.300 run a company and have to switch it in the middle and totally reshuffle that, that, that

00:22:08.120 actually costs money while you're doing it to bridge the gap because you got to fill

00:22:12.620 up holes while you're filling the gap.

00:22:15.260 You don't trust the people in the room.

00:22:17.340 Neither do we, but we do trust the system that worked on Wednesday with, with Doge.

00:22:23.740 And Donald Trump, where do we disagree?

00:22:27.600 Where can you give them?

00:22:30.020 We don't disagree.

00:22:31.820 And yesterday morning, I was making that precise argument in a room full of conservatives and

00:22:37.740 then a follow-up room with people who are, we'll call it less conservative, more.

00:22:42.180 Republican, yes.

00:22:44.540 And so we were making this argument and then somewhat infamously, something leaked out of

00:22:50.160 the room somewhere down to Mar-a-Lago that somehow I was going, that I was being resistant

00:22:55.300 because I was negotiating to try to get agreement to achieve the objective you just said.

00:23:01.260 I was working to try to get, okay.

00:23:04.200 In fact, yesterday morning, I made the argument to a group of conservatives, we need to give

00:23:08.180 the president runway.

00:23:09.600 We need to give him his first hundred days.

00:23:11.640 We need to appreciate and respect JD and Vivek and Elon and all the people and Russ Cote and

00:23:17.000 everybody involved for the president to achieve the objective.

00:23:19.820 But to get there, we have to make sure that the guys in the room that are an obstacle to

00:23:25.440 that don't have the ability to block it because information flow matters.

00:23:31.200 And when those guys tell the president they can't achieve X, then the president and his

00:23:34.980 team may not achieve X.

00:23:36.400 Our job was to force and demand, guys, we need actual understanding of what the cuts will

00:23:42.100 be.

00:23:43.220 And because otherwise, you're asking us to accept a $5 trillion limit in our credit card increase.

00:23:50.440 In exchange for nothing, literally, in exchange for nothing but hope.

00:23:56.120 So our job was to force that change.

00:23:59.120 Unfortunately, while I was trying to make the argument that we needed something in order

00:24:02.880 to get the votes, someone leaked that down to Mar-a-Lago and the president reacted.

00:24:08.120 So now I have to now manage that.

00:24:10.840 So there's the issue in trying to force change in town.

00:24:14.960 Okay, so hang on.

00:24:16.320 We got to leave this by because I'm going to run up against the clock.

00:24:19.360 I could talk to you all day about this.

00:24:21.440 You were in a meeting this morning with J.D. Vance.

00:24:25.100 Can you tell us anything about that meeting?

00:24:27.940 That meeting happened because despite what happened yesterday, I'm trying to get this

00:24:32.720 done.

00:24:33.240 Last night, talking to J.D., we worked to get this meeting done.

00:24:36.520 We had some good progress this morning.

00:24:38.120 But there still remain people concerned about spending that we're trying to work out what

00:24:43.140 agreement we can reach on what spending cuts we will actually get next year in exchange

00:24:48.040 for giving the vote on a debt ceiling increase.

00:24:50.500 So it remains fluid.

00:24:52.200 Progress was made.

00:24:53.540 But we've got to keep working on it.

00:24:55.200 And I left that meeting to come talk to you.

00:24:56.880 So I'll get an update in a minute.

00:24:58.660 Okay.

00:24:59.480 Thank you for that, by the way.

00:25:01.560 I hear there is a new bill that may be coming today.

00:25:05.740 Is that the one you're talking about?

00:25:07.320 Or is this another bill that could be another nightmare? 1.00

00:25:09.940 I just fight other people leaking crap. 1.00

00:25:13.240 I refuse. 0.96

00:25:14.020 So I can't say because it's not been decided by the speaker.

00:25:16.620 And it's just not right to talk about things we're talking about in private meetings.

00:25:19.720 I just fight the fact that people do it to me all the time.

00:25:22.100 It's this speaker.

00:25:23.800 I mean, is he really the speaker anymore, Chip, really?

00:25:27.720 We need to figure out what bill we're going to get forward.

00:25:31.200 And I can't talk about the private meetings.

00:25:32.860 But look, guys, I'm going to keep fighting for what I promised the people that I represent.

00:25:36.980 I'm going to fight to cut spending.

00:25:38.560 I'm going to represent Article 1.

00:25:40.140 I'm going to support the president's agenda.

00:25:41.920 But we've got to do that together.

00:25:45.900 Okay, Chip, thank you.

00:25:48.420 I think we can.

00:25:50.480 I think we agree.

00:25:51.940 But I'd like to see what that means to you.

00:25:55.920 Because we may just have to agree to disagree on this.

00:25:58.840 But I love you.

00:26:00.400 And I still want you to replace Cornyn. 0.90

00:26:03.020 The short version is, for inflation's sake, we cannot increase the debt ceiling $5 trillion

00:26:08.280 without knowing what we're getting for it.

00:26:10.360 And I don't think anybody should disagree with that.

00:26:12.400 But you don't disagree that Elon Musk and Vivek and Trump are serious about gutting this system.

00:26:20.680 I believe that is their objective.

00:26:23.540 I believe there are obstacles to that objective.

00:26:25.860 And I need to know the sincerity of how we deal with those obstacles, both structural in the government and human.

00:26:31.640 And we've got to figure that out.

00:26:33.300 And that's my job.

00:26:35.240 Okay, good.

00:26:36.320 Chip, thank you very much.

00:26:38.200 This is the best of the Glenn Beck Program.

00:26:39.880 And we really want to thank you for listening.

00:26:41.600 Welcome to the Glenn Beck Program.

00:26:46.460 Liz, you have an update from Washington on a new bill.

00:26:50.360 We think this is going to be introduced today in response to what happened to yesterday.

00:26:56.380 So what's the new bill we think?

00:26:59.880 That's right.

00:27:00.440 Fingers crossed.

00:27:01.460 This is from Liz Elkin.

00:27:02.900 She says, House Republican leaders expected to present this plan to lawmakers, per two sources,

00:27:08.640 three separate bills, a continuing resolution, disaster relief, and farm aid,

00:27:15.240 and a handshake agreement on acting on the debt limit in reconciliation.

00:27:20.820 When asked about timeline, one Republican said, we'll be here all night.

00:27:25.440 I got to tell you, I think that's fine.

00:27:27.520 And I think that's what Chip Roy was.

00:27:29.140 Remember, we had that conversation again off the air.

00:27:31.700 We have this part.

00:27:32.620 Yeah, off the air.

00:27:33.820 You asked me, do you think he needs it in writing?

00:27:36.420 And I said, I think he just wants assurances, you know, a man-to-man cowboy handshake,

00:27:43.500 cowboy contract, that that is going to happen.

00:27:47.180 And it looks like, yes, this is just breaking.

00:27:51.500 He said he wouldn't, he said he knew it, but he wouldn't break it on the show

00:27:55.520 because it wasn't his job to leak things.

00:27:57.780 So I think that's great because Charlie Kirk is with us.

00:28:02.340 Charlie, you think that?

00:28:03.120 Glenn, great to see you.

00:28:03.900 Good to see you.

00:28:04.320 It's phenomenal.

00:28:04.880 First of all, it breaks things into separate votes.

00:28:06.860 That's the first ask.

00:28:07.860 Enough of these omnibuses.

00:28:09.120 Yes.

00:28:09.620 It is the oldest trick in Washington, D.C.

00:28:11.720 Put things that are essential with things that are terrible.

00:28:13.940 Yes.

00:28:14.140 And then you bind these congressmen that are in tough districts.

00:28:16.700 They say, oh, I vote for this thing because I had all this veteran stuff that I like, 0.98

00:28:19.660 and 90% of it was garbage. 0.97

00:28:21.180 Yes. 0.87

00:28:21.420 And so if you break it into separate bills, then you can actually say, okay, farmer aid,

00:28:25.820 disaster aid, fine.

00:28:26.860 Do that separately.

00:28:27.960 You know why they don't like doing that?

00:28:29.340 They actually wanted to go home this weekend for Christmas break.

00:28:31.640 It is as simple as that, is that there is a lifestyle component to our legislative process.

00:28:37.720 And when I first learned that, I said, wait a second, we have nurses, EMTs, we have people

00:28:41.520 on 24 call that are working Christmas Eve and Christmas all through New Year's that are making

00:28:45.380 the country run.

00:28:46.360 Our members of Congress can work through Christmas to go do 12 or 15 separate votes.

00:28:50.860 It's not that hard.

00:28:51.980 In fact, the stewardship of the country is far more important than your Christmas vacation.

00:28:57.060 And, you know, they're working for the people.

00:29:02.920 Allegedly.

00:29:03.720 Allegedly.

00:29:04.320 That's what they're supposed to be doing.

00:29:05.980 I gave up a day of my vacation to be here.

00:29:10.160 You're with all these wonderful patrons.

00:29:12.140 I know.

00:29:12.460 Look at all these great people here.

00:29:13.320 And it's because everybody here is most likely doing the same thing, taking some vacation time

00:29:19.840 to be here, because it's important.

00:29:22.020 It's really important.

00:29:23.080 Yeah.

00:29:23.220 And it's just a phenomenal event here.

00:29:25.300 And glory be to God.

00:29:26.520 And we always...

00:29:27.220 Hang on just a second.

00:29:28.480 Glory be to God.

00:29:29.400 Yes.

00:29:30.460 But God needs actual physical hands on earth.

00:29:35.040 And you have been...

00:29:36.500 This is your thing.

00:29:37.740 Turning Point is you.

00:29:38.860 It's our thing.

00:29:39.760 Yeah, I am.

00:29:40.360 As an organization.

00:29:40.860 Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

00:29:42.740 It took a leader to lead it.

00:29:45.140 And you deserve a lot of credit for the win.

00:29:49.160 And all the credit...

00:29:49.940 Well, no.

00:29:50.380 Not all the credit, but most of the credit for this.

00:29:52.960 Thank you.

00:29:53.140 Because it was your baby.

00:29:54.820 Thank you, Glenn.

00:29:55.580 That's very touching.

00:29:56.680 And you know this, and I'll throw it back at you.

00:29:58.440 You've been an instrumental piece in my worldview for me.

00:30:01.560 Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

00:30:02.960 Okay.

00:30:04.040 He won't accept it, though.

00:30:05.340 So I've got to get better at receiving compliments.

00:30:07.640 And I've heard you, and it's really great.

00:30:11.500 And I'm grateful that we have a good relationship.

00:30:15.300 And we've helped each other out.

00:30:17.420 But let's talk about what we're facing January 20th.

00:30:24.680 Because I am for the spending cuts.

00:30:29.840 I am against raising the debt limit.

00:30:31.820 But if I were in Congress, I would have done it this time.

00:30:35.520 Because I want to give Donald Trump the benefit of the doubt.

00:30:38.860 I think he deserves it.

00:30:40.020 He's earned it.

00:30:41.400 And I find it credible.

00:30:43.360 He's not a debt guy.

00:30:45.220 But Elon Musk is.

00:30:47.860 And Trump knows, along with Elon Musk, we've got to grow the economy.

00:30:52.200 But we also have to cut it down.

00:30:54.020 And I'll give Donald Trump the benefit of the doubt.

00:30:56.980 Because if he doesn't cut the size of government dramatically, he doesn't stand a chance.

00:31:03.460 He must shrink the size of the state.

00:31:05.160 A couple things.

00:31:06.320 Number one, on this legislative back and forth, is that President Trump wants a clean slate.

00:31:11.200 What does that mean?

00:31:11.880 He does not want to inherit all of the problems of this dysfunctional Congress.

00:31:15.820 And he has to go clean this up.

00:31:17.020 And his agenda that he ran on, that people voted for, would be thwarted.

00:31:20.480 So he wants a clean slate.

00:31:22.320 He also doesn't want Schumer to have him over a barrel with debt ceiling unnecessarily.

00:31:28.000 What President Trump has done, and this is what will happen January 20th through Doge,

00:31:32.000 is that the executive branch is going to ask a fundamental constitutional question.

00:31:36.400 And it's going to go up to the Supreme Court very quickly.

00:31:38.480 Which is, does the executive branch have to spend all the money that Congress sends it?

00:31:42.020 This is around the idea of the Empowerment Act.

00:31:44.080 And it's a very interesting constitutional question.

00:31:46.160 It says, of course, that Congress controls the purse, the House of Representatives.

00:31:50.140 All spending bills must originate in the House.

00:31:51.960 But it's not clear whether the executive branch has to spend all of that money

00:31:54.700 if they can do the duties that Congress ascribes to them for less money.

00:31:58.780 So if Doge is able to say, hey, we're able to do this for half the cost,

00:32:02.880 why can't they just send a wire back to Congress or say, no, we actually don't need it?

00:32:06.400 And that constitutional executive tension theoretically could result

00:32:10.900 in hundreds of billions of dollars of cost savings.

00:32:13.720 And that is centered around, Russ Vogt has talked about this from the Office of Management

00:32:16.660 Budget, who's 10 out of 10, he's spectacular, is the Empowerment Act

00:32:20.080 and then also the Presidential Reorganization Act.

00:32:22.740 I think that's a really healthy debate because our founders did never,

00:32:26.620 they never wanted legislative supremacy.

00:32:28.520 You know this.

00:32:29.260 They wanted co-equal branches.

00:32:31.180 And we're living under this idea that Congress can just bully the executive branch

00:32:34.560 for what to do with spending.

00:32:35.660 You must spend it.

00:32:36.280 In fact, Glenn, you've covered the horror stories of cabinet officials and agency secretaries

00:32:41.040 that have to spend the money.

00:32:42.340 Right now, what's happening is they're finding things to spend money on because their money's

00:32:46.340 going to run out.

00:32:47.220 And if you don't spend it, then you lose it the next time.

00:32:50.500 There's no reward for saving it.

00:32:51.960 And they'll say, well, even if we don't spend it, it has to be sent to another agency.

00:32:55.580 No, that's not correct.

00:32:56.900 What if every agency says, you know, try to do this for 70% of the cost or half of the cost.

00:33:01.780 And you're talking about a $6 trillion beast.

00:33:05.240 The ask is very simple.

00:33:06.520 Can we go back to pre-COVID spending?

00:33:08.180 Can we go back to 2019 spending?

00:33:09.660 When we do that, we have a $500 billion surplus.

00:33:11.980 Just back to pre-COVID spending levels.

00:33:14.800 And so the way that we shrink the size of government and the state is going to be done

00:33:18.740 in a different way.

00:33:19.640 Because typically it's like, well, you must immediately get congressional buy-in.

00:33:22.520 The executive branch has a co-equal role in identifying and potentially even saving money

00:33:28.060 that Congress was forcing them once.

00:33:30.020 And you know the Democrats are taking everything to court.

00:33:33.060 How long before Donald Trump just starts to shut parts of the government down?

00:33:39.020 I can't speak on his behalf.

00:33:40.620 But I can say, though, that this Empowerment Act question will probably be heard this summer

00:33:44.520 or sometime soon.

00:33:45.680 And if it comes back the way it should, which is this question, again, Hamilton and Madison

00:33:50.460 and Jay, who were obviously the designers and explainers of the U.S. Constitution, they

00:33:55.680 wanted spirited tension between the branches.

00:33:58.660 They wanted collision.

00:34:00.020 They wanted the branches to kind of not to be at war with each other, but to have different

00:34:04.900 opinions on how governing should.

00:34:06.720 This idea that the executive branch must bend a knee because Congress has appropriated the

00:34:11.700 money.

00:34:12.500 And so, look, in addition to that, is if we can get, this is where the other thing is

00:34:16.840 that I was pushing for, and I don't think it's going to happen, is if we can reauthorize

00:34:20.580 the Presidential Reorganization Act, which has been authorized many times, which essentially

00:34:24.380 says if an agency can do the work that is duplicative of another agency, it no longer

00:34:30.100 needs to exist.

00:34:30.720 So let's just take the Department of Education, which needs to end.

00:34:33.600 The Department of Education needs to be shut down.

00:34:35.160 Do you guys agree?

00:34:35.740 And the Department of Education.

00:34:37.580 So do you believe Linda McMahon, because she's a great manager.

00:34:42.260 She's phenomenal. 1.00

00:34:42.960 Is she a manage to the close? 1.00

00:34:47.240 She shares the President's stated plan to close the Department of Education, but let's 0.98

00:34:52.140 just take three examples of how that can happen before you close it.

00:34:55.120 Student loans.

00:34:56.240 That should be under the Department of Treasury.

00:34:58.060 Put that under Treasury.

00:34:58.800 There's no reason it should be there.

00:34:59.560 Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

00:35:01.020 Why do we have it?

00:35:02.020 That was the problem.

00:35:03.460 I agree.

00:35:03.820 That's going to require Congress.

00:35:05.020 What I'm getting at, though, is at least you can break apart.

00:35:08.440 I agree.

00:35:09.120 We should get rid of any subsidized student loans.

00:35:11.000 I'm just getting at this is the way that you can actually weaken an agency to no longer

00:35:14.920 exist through duplicative type processing.

00:35:17.780 School-assisted lunch.

00:35:19.180 You can make an argument for it or against it, but school-assisted lunch basically that

00:35:22.920 the taxpayers need to pay for lunch. 0.86

00:35:25.140 That could be under Department of Agriculture.

00:35:26.340 They do food stamps.

00:35:27.240 Much better done.

00:35:28.160 And then finally, they have this whole separate office of the Department of Education that

00:35:31.560 is Senate-confirmed Tier 2 position that is the Office of Civil Rights.

00:35:35.460 Put that under the Department of Justice.

00:35:36.880 They don't need your own civil rights division in the Department of Education that goes and 1.00

00:35:40.720 harasses our Christian schools and goes after conservative kids. 0.88

00:35:44.000 So you can completely close that.

00:35:45.340 That's three functions.

00:35:46.360 All of a sudden, the Department of Education inherently weakens.

00:35:49.260 And you know this, Glenn.

00:35:50.440 The Department of Education actually never existed.

00:35:52.340 It used to be called HEW, Health, Education, and Welfare.

00:35:56.140 Yep.

00:35:56.360 And in fact, we could re-merge these together and then we could find duplicative type processes

00:36:02.300 and better synergies.

00:36:04.240 That is even before we get more to the fundamental question of which I have and you have, I don't

00:36:08.620 think the Department of Education is constitutional.

00:36:11.020 I do not think that it's in the original intent as written that the federal government has

00:36:16.300 any role in the education of our children, period.

00:36:19.520 What progressives do understand, but the actual voter that votes usually with Democrats don't

00:36:25.580 understand, is I don't have a problem with the way you live in California. 0.95

00:36:31.220 You want to live in California and you want to be as insane as you are, you can do that. 0.61

00:36:38.360 Your own community can vote for that and that's fine.

00:36:41.820 I'm not going to pay for it and don't force me to live that way.

00:36:48.080 And that's unfortunately the problem.

00:36:50.220 We have San Francisco values in small towns that do not agree with those values at all.

00:36:56.660 And it's forced upon them.

00:36:57.960 Yes.

00:36:58.220 It's forced upon them.

00:36:58.780 Because it's federal.

00:36:59.520 The Office of Civil Rights, the Department of Education, and even worse, I mean, you

00:37:02.400 guys remember, this was not a very covered issue.

00:37:06.940 The Department of Education was using school-assisted lunch funding to force transgender bathrooms. 0.99

00:37:12.900 Do you remember this?

00:37:13.580 It was a lesson.

00:37:14.740 Like they said, we are not going to give money for kids that need assistance for lunch

00:37:19.100 if you don't have radical transgender policies.

00:37:21.420 So what we've done is we've created this insane leverage that the Department of Education should

00:37:26.780 not have over local municipalities and school districts.

00:37:30.480 And the good news is Linda McMahon, I believe, will do two things. 0.96

00:37:33.240 I could say just believe looking on the outside.

00:37:35.440 Yeah.

00:37:35.680 Two things concurrently.

00:37:36.580 She wants to shut it down, but also fix as much as we can and reverse as much as we can. 0.71

00:37:40.460 No more CRT for schools.

00:37:41.760 We're going to not send any federal money after schools that are teaching DEI.

00:37:45.060 And day one, there needs to be a massive push to the NCAA, the NCAA itself, as an official

00:37:50.800 bodying organization, that the federal government will not send another dime of taxpayer dollars

00:37:55.540 if men are competing in female sports.

00:37:57.720 We will not tolerate that.

00:37:59.360 It's not going to happen.

00:38:00.080 And so there's a lot that we can do in the interim to help reverse some of this nonsense

00:38:05.500 we've been living through.

00:38:06.360 But to answer the question, is Trump going to just shut down agencies?

00:38:09.840 He does.

00:38:10.860 The question is, can he?

00:38:12.540 And that's the constitutional question.

00:38:14.820 It's going to go to the Supreme Court.

00:38:16.300 And the question there is, do the federal workers in the administration work for the president

00:38:24.560 or does the president work for them?

00:38:26.940 This is the fundamental question.

00:38:28.080 I mean, and if you are part of the administration, that is a branch of the government that is

00:38:35.120 separate but equal.

00:38:37.060 And you have to have an executive that's running all that.

00:38:40.020 You're totally right.

00:38:40.680 And thanks to President Trump with what he did in the first term, I think, Glenn, we finally

00:38:44.820 have a Supreme Court that's willing to weigh in.

00:38:47.880 And look, the West Virginia v. EPA case, other constitutional cases that we've seen in recent years are getting

00:38:55.820 at the fundamental question of, wait a second, the authoring, the birth of the administrative

00:39:00.660 state is illegitimate.

00:39:02.080 The administrative state itself is an illegitimate experiment that you cannot author regulation

00:39:06.540 without Congress.

00:39:07.500 In fact, said differently, that the entire premise that there is a fourth branch of government

00:39:12.680 that is unelected, unknown, and unchecked is against our birth certificate.

00:39:17.500 And so I think we're finally, I think the Overton window has moved enough.

00:39:21.460 I know you wrote a book called Overton window years ago.

00:39:23.320 It was a great book growing up.

00:39:24.340 I read it.

00:39:24.940 It's finally moved enough where I think the American people can stomach it.

00:39:28.220 And here's why I love what Doge is doing.

00:39:29.940 If they do nothing else than just live tweet the government waste that they find in real

00:39:34.820 time, they will have done a great service to this country.

00:39:37.720 Don't underestimate the exposure of things.

00:39:39.700 Oh, I think we saw the Trump Doge machine on Wednesday.

00:39:47.180 You know, you can talk all you want, but when the president and Elon Musk and the rest of

00:39:52.660 us have a leader that says, nope, stop this right now, the American people stood up and

00:39:58.700 it stopped.

00:39:59.700 And here's what's amazing.

00:40:00.860 Thanks to Elon Musk purchasing X and turning it into a more pop, we didn't have to go through

00:40:04.660 any of the mainstream media.

00:40:05.780 It just, we just did it.

00:40:06.920 In fact, what the media is now doing, the media networks are now just reporting what

00:40:11.200 they're reading on X.

00:40:12.260 We can do that.

00:40:12.900 We don't need to watch them for that.

00:40:14.140 I know.

00:40:14.360 They're literally just reading X and they're like, well, now breaking on X.

00:40:17.040 Okay, I got that.

00:40:17.560 I could do it in real time.

00:40:18.400 I don't need your intermediaries.

00:40:20.100 And so it's a decentralization and a small de-democratization of the flow of information.

00:40:25.460 I will tell you, when we were talking about Time Magazine and the person of the year, obvious

00:40:32.820 there's no other choice than Donald Trump.

00:40:34.800 He is the guy who's going to change the whole world.

00:40:38.340 And if he does what he said, he will be remembered as another Abraham Lincoln kind of guy, kind

00:40:43.500 of figure.

00:40:43.960 I think you're right.

00:40:44.660 An anti-FDR slash Wilson.

00:40:48.160 However, the only other choice could have been Elon Musk.

00:40:53.180 I think that's right.

00:40:54.140 He did more to save our country just by buying X than anything else.

00:40:59.500 I think you'll appreciate this.

00:41:00.460 I said it when it happened and now it's proven to be true.

00:41:03.320 It's the most important transaction since the Louisiana Purchase of scale and importance.

00:41:09.980 I believe it was the cause that was set in motion that helped us save our civilization.

00:41:14.420 Yep.

00:41:15.280 Na na na na na na na haaa.

The Glenn Beck Program - December 20, 2024

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