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00:00:34.200 the announcement there is no Epstein client list,

00:00:36.940 and the Texas flooding.

00:00:38.760 And Chip Roy joins me about the flooding,

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00:00:45.520 Also, Liz Wheeler is on,

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00:03:27.340 Liz Wheeler.

00:03:30.420 Liz wrote to me early today.

00:03:33.100 Let me see if I can.

00:03:34.240 May I quote you here, Liz?

00:03:36.940 Yes, you may.

00:03:37.740 Thanks for having me, Glenn.

00:03:38.600 Okay.

00:03:39.360 Yeah, you bet.

00:03:40.020 She said, give me one good reason why I shouldn't scream for Pam Bondi to be fired today. 1.00

00:03:47.200 And this was at 5 o'clock in the morning, and I said, I'm sleepy, but I don't think I can.

00:03:53.940 I don't think I can give you a reason not to call for her firing today.

00:03:59.240 But I want you to explain why do you feel this way?

00:04:03.480 It's not something that I say lightly.

00:04:05.780 I didn't say it immediately after the White House Epstein binder debacle.

00:04:11.620 And I want to very prudently and judiciously make this case to you today and to make this case to President Trump, too,

00:04:18.340 because Pam Bondi has become a liability to his administration, despite her loyalty in other areas.

00:04:23.520 So let's start with the announcement from the Department of Justice last night.

00:04:27.320 A lot of us have a lot of questions about this announcement.

00:04:30.280 It just doesn't ring true with a lot of us.

00:04:32.100 We see a lot of evidence before our eyes that contradicts what we're being told without evidence to believe by the FBI and the Department of Justice.

00:04:40.940 And it grates on us because, like you mentioned, we are friends with Cash Patel and Dan Bongino.

00:04:45.740 They're the good guys.

00:04:46.440 We trust them.

00:04:47.060 And yet we have to use our critical thinking faculties and look at the evidence before our eyes.

00:04:52.360 So it smells fishy.

00:04:54.420 You'll notice it says nothing about whether Jeffrey Epstein was an intelligence asset, which, as you mentioned, Alex Acosta,

00:04:59.960 the attorney who cut the sweetheart deal originally with Epstein, said he was before Acosta's emails mysteriously disappeared.

00:05:06.940 So we have questions about that.

00:05:08.640 There are also outstanding, important questions about Cash Patel and Dan Bongino's definitive pronouncement that Epstein killed himself.

00:05:16.200 Well, I'm sorry, I don't think the video that they released proves as definitively as they were stating that case.

00:05:24.160 Because it doesn't show what was happening inside the cell.

00:05:26.180 It just shows the cell door.

00:05:27.460 We don't actually see him kill himself, so that doesn't prove anything.

00:05:31.160 Right, but we know that nobody came in or left.

00:05:34.820 Through that door.

00:05:37.660 Well, two things.

00:05:37.920 Where are they going to go, through the little bars?

00:05:40.380 No, I don't know what the internal of that cell looks like.

00:05:45.340 I don't know if they have fire escape routes.

00:05:47.820 I don't know if they have adjoining doors.

00:05:49.920 I don't know if they have emergency exits.

00:05:51.380 I don't know if that video was doctored or not.

00:05:53.300 I don't know enough about that to simply take that one piece of evidence and say, okay, that's a good point.

00:05:58.240 Just show us the room.

00:06:00.720 Show us what's inside the room.

00:06:03.080 Yes.

00:06:03.580 We need more evidence.

00:06:04.660 One piece of evidence.

00:06:06.520 I mean, it's great.

00:06:07.140 I'm glad they released that.

00:06:08.180 It's not enough.

00:06:08.720 Yeah.

00:06:09.380 The other thing, I wonder, too, if Kash Patel and Dan Bongino are relying too much on the FBI's prior investigations, assuming that the FBI of old is a reliable narrator.

00:06:19.060 I don't know who conducted those investigations or if it was done soundly.

00:06:22.780 I doubt it was done soundly.

00:06:24.820 So may I just interject here?

00:06:27.120 I talked to Dan Bongino a few weeks ago about this off air, and he said, Glenn, we are turning over every stone.

00:06:34.960 We are going to get to the bottom of it.

00:06:37.020 I mean, he led me to believe that, and I believed him, and I still do, that he was using new resources, opening the investigation in a new way, following it closely.

00:06:50.800 And I do believe Dan Bongino is one of the good guys.

00:06:55.900 I do, too.

00:06:57.040 And I've been told the same thing by very high-ranking officials at the FBI who I trust.

00:07:01.320 They're trustworthy people.

00:07:02.420 I do think that it might not be possible at this point to piece together everything because we know that there have been reports of evidence destruction.

00:07:09.640 So my issue with that definitive statement was the definitive nature of it, that this 100 percent happened this way.

00:07:16.880 Epstein killed himself.

00:07:17.600 Instead of saying we don't have enough evidence to piece this together or the evidence we have points to this.

00:07:21.900 All that being said, though, I want to talk about what happened last night because this brings us to Attorney General Pam Bondi, who just months ago said she had the Epstein client list on her desk.

00:07:32.560 When I went back and looked at that video, the clip of her on Fox News again this morning, to make sure that there was not context that I was lacking, that there was not bungled phraseology, maybe nerves being on air, I went back and listened to it.

00:07:46.260 She said definitively she had the Epstein client list on her desk.

00:07:49.900 Now, fast forward to yesterday, she says that it doesn't exist, that they don't have it.

00:07:55.140 That is a really big problem.

00:07:57.100 If I'm President Trump today—

00:07:58.980 Let me play this from Bondi.

00:08:01.560 This is back in February.

00:08:02.840 Here is the actual statement she made.

00:08:04.640 Listen.

00:08:05.820 The DOJ may be releasing the list of Jeffrey Epstein's clients?

00:08:10.080 Will that really happen?

00:08:11.620 It's sitting on my desk right now to review.

00:08:14.760 That's been a directive by President Trump.

00:08:17.360 I'm reviewing that.

00:08:18.240 I'm reviewing JFK files, MLK files.

00:08:21.240 That's all in the process of being reviewed because that was done at the directive of the president from all of these agencies.

00:08:26.740 So have you seen anything that you said, oh my gosh?

00:08:30.840 Not yet.

00:08:32.560 Okay.

00:08:33.480 Well, we'll check back with you.

00:08:35.380 Okay.

00:08:35.880 So now let me take you back to Kash Patel because something similar was said to me.

00:08:40.640 Here he is.

00:08:41.660 Cut 12.

00:08:42.700 So who has Jeffrey Epstein's—

00:08:45.780 Black book?

00:08:46.280 Black book.

00:08:46.860 FBI.

00:08:47.140 But who?

00:08:49.320 That is—

00:08:51.360 That's under direct control of the director of the FBI.

00:08:55.820 Just like the manifesto from the Nashville school shooting of the Catholic school.

00:09:01.880 We still haven't seen that, right?

00:09:04.040 It's not the Nashville police or PD saying we don't want this out.

00:09:07.760 The FBI air-mailed into that operation and said this is not getting out.

00:09:11.580 Because they do that because they—this is another government gangster operation.

00:09:16.760 All these local law enforcement communities get funding from the DOJ and FBI for local programs.

00:09:22.020 And if you don't cooperate, you're not getting your million dollars for this.

00:09:24.840 And you're not getting your—and that's a lot of money to these local districts.

00:09:27.580 That's how they play the game.

00:09:29.300 That's why you don't have a black book.

00:09:30.960 But the black book, it's not just sitting—I mean, that's—

00:09:35.140 That's—

00:09:35.860 That's Hoover power times 10.

00:09:39.680 And to me, that's a thing I think President Trump should run on.

00:09:42.640 On day one, roll out the black book.

00:09:47.380 And not just that.

00:09:48.520 On day one, roll out all of the text messaging communications we were told were deleted.

00:09:53.200 On day one, play the rest of the video of the pipe bomber.

00:09:55.260 On day—you know, he needs—one of the reforms I talk about in government gangsters is you need a central node to be continuously declassifying.

00:10:03.760 This is another thing they do.

00:10:04.720 They overclassify.

00:10:06.040 And I'm telling you, as a former number two in the IC, they overclassify 50% of the stuff there to protect the deep state.

00:10:13.940 Oh, no, you can't see that.

00:10:15.180 Nothing to see here.

00:10:16.760 Gino was a master at it, of doing it.

00:10:19.640 And we still haven't seen half of the Russiagate report that we wrote.

00:10:23.060 Still under lock and key.

00:10:26.840 On how the ICA was originally constructed.

00:10:30.560 We went—we put 10,000 man hours against John Brennan's team that did it.

00:10:34.580 And we found out why they came up with their bogus conclusions.

00:10:37.840 But we couldn't sell it to the world because we couldn't talk about it.

00:10:41.460 And the government gangsters came in and buried it.

00:10:43.420 All of these things, there needs to be a continuing central power, whether it's the White House or off-site, that says every request that comes in, just right out the door, as long as it's not a major threat to national security.

00:10:56.160 Liz, they're both very clear.

00:10:58.600 It existed.

00:10:59.960 But Pam Bondi did not say she had any names in it.

00:11:05.000 She kind of made me feel like she hadn't really even looked at it.

00:11:09.060 Cash Patel gave me the impression he had seen it, or at least he knew about it.

00:11:16.400 So how do we go from here?

00:11:18.880 Listen, people care deeply about the Epstein file because there was a grisly crime that we know for a fact was committed.

00:11:25.520 Epstein was convicted of that.

00:11:26.760 It wasn't speculative.

00:11:28.040 He was convicted of it.

00:11:28.880 And people feel that there's evidence of a cover-up.

00:11:32.820 We're not inventing a conspiracy.

00:11:34.580 There's evidence of a cover-up of this crime.

00:11:36.920 Pam Bondi, as Attorney General, has exacerbated this trust.

00:11:40.740 And it gives me no pleasure to say this because I like to give the benefit of the doubt to people that are on our side.

00:11:46.120 But going back to that day at the White House in February, I haven't told this part of the story before.

00:11:51.600 Attorney General Pam Bondi, when we met with her, we weren't at the White House to meet with her.

00:11:55.260 We just met with her while we were there.

00:11:56.520 Pam Bondi bragged to us about making that cover sheet on the binder, the one that read the most transparent administration in history. 0.85

00:12:03.740 She said she had made it.

00:12:05.860 She had printed it.

00:12:06.800 She was proud of it.

00:12:07.680 She placed it on that binder.

00:12:09.580 Going to call that a severe lack of judgment would be the understatement of the year.

00:12:14.000 There is no way in my mind, and I have tried every way to Sunday, to square that behavior with the announcement that we got last night from the Department of Justice.

00:12:22.360 Pam Bondi told us at the time, she said, I requested the Epstein files.

00:12:26.160 The files in the binder were the ones given to me.

00:12:28.620 Nothing was in them, she told us at the time.

00:12:30.680 Then a whistleblower called her, she told us, and said the SDNY was hiding other files.

00:12:36.000 That's the story, she told us, that there's been a deep state cover-up.

00:12:39.120 So at the time, after we were given these binders, we waited, right?

00:12:42.080 You give your side the benefit of the doubt.

00:12:43.420 Maybe Pam Bondi will come up with the goods, even though the rollout was botched, to say the least. 0.70

00:12:49.140 But she, this is another thing I have not discussed publicly before, she said she had not seen the SDNY documents at the time that she was telling us about them.

00:12:58.780 I asked her directly that day in the White House, when she said, a whistleblower told us about these truckloads of SDNY documents, I said, have you seen them?

00:13:06.540 She said, no, she sent the request, and they're bringing them to her.

00:13:09.780 So contextualizing all of this, suddenly this seems like unforgivable behavior.

00:13:14.280 How could she give the American people, not just me, I don't care about how this impacts me,

00:13:17.860 how could she give the American people those phase one binders that contained nothing,

00:13:21.980 while at the same time bragging about the cover sheet that she made, the most transparent administration in history,

00:13:27.460 and tell us that the SDNY had the real goods, that the binder was just proof of a deep state cover-up,

00:13:32.180 that was the real story she told us, only now to say, sorry, there's actually nothing.

00:13:36.480 So it leaves us with this situation, what are the options?

00:13:40.360 The options as, well, was she herself set up by some deep state FBI career officials trying to make a fool of her?

00:13:47.140 It's possible, maybe even probable.

00:13:49.120 But here's the thing, if you are smart, if you are savvy, if you are sharp enough to be the Attorney General of the United States,

00:13:55.360 you verify such information.

00:13:57.040 You don't assume it's veracity and publicize it for clicks.

00:14:00.560 And that's what she did.

00:14:02.920 So then we get to the point that we think, okay, well, what does this say about her judgment?

00:14:06.640 Is she just click-thirsty?

00:14:09.280 Is she wanting to be a Fox News star?

00:14:11.220 Did she get out over her skis trying to make news, being, you know, a mega champion with those binders,

00:14:16.360 that maybe she had not verified the contents of,

00:14:19.300 and she definitely hadn't verified the contents of the SDNY truckloads?

00:14:22.740 Um, you can't square this announcement with the binders, the announcement yesterday with the binders in February,

00:14:28.620 unless you allow for the idea that Pam Bondi could be operating in a way that is unacceptable.

00:14:35.120 Went on Fox News, said she had a client list on her desk to review when she actually hadn't looked at the documents,

00:14:40.440 and was just saying that to be a television star.

00:14:42.880 I say this somewhat sorrowfully.

00:14:45.360 If I'm President Trump, I would not tolerate this behavior anymore.

00:14:48.400 She has become a liability to his administration.

00:14:51.040 I think the administration is probably just now coming to the realization of how much goodwill

00:14:57.600 this whole debacle has cost them with their voters, and Pam Bondi is not worth it. 0.99

00:15:03.220 She's a liability.

00:15:03.960 It's time to move on.

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00:16:26.000 Let's go to Chip Roy.

00:16:28.020 Chip, it's been a bad weekend for you and those in your district.

00:16:31.400 Our thoughts and our prayers are with all of you.

00:16:34.840 Welcome to the program, Chip Roy.

00:16:37.220 Well, thanks, Glenn.

00:16:38.460 Yeah, it's been a rough go for the folks down at Kerrville.

00:16:43.560 You know, I've spent most of the last three days there.

00:16:46.660 I came home late yesterday to see my family clean up and get out of the way, you know,

00:16:53.320 because at some point, you know, you want them to be able to kind of do their thing.

00:16:57.620 But, you know, look, it's also a great testimony to the, you know, strength, resolve, compassion.

00:17:05.440 Of not just the people at Kerrville, but across Texas and the whole country.

00:17:09.640 There's, like, long waiting lines for people to volunteer.

00:17:13.020 There was a backup, you know, a long line of traffic at the place where people were signing up.

00:17:18.840 Resources are flowing in.

00:17:21.180 Musicians are scheduling benefit concerts.

00:17:24.380 You know, the local, state, and federal governments are all working in sync.

00:17:28.120 A lot of prayer warriors out there.

00:17:30.680 But, man, you know, it's tough.

00:17:32.640 I mean, I drove out there through Camp Mystic and out through Hunt, which is, I think,

00:17:37.300 arguably the most beautiful part of Texas.

00:17:39.960 Certainly one of.

00:17:41.480 And there's a reason there's 18 camps there.

00:17:44.080 It's just an extraordinary part of the state.

00:17:46.580 And, you know, there's just a tight area there where if you get a flash flood like they got

00:17:51.660 with that unprecedented amount of water coming through at that rate,

00:17:56.260 it just comes through and it's just a torrent.

00:18:00.380 And the damage is pretty extraordinary.

00:18:02.460 When I saw houses wiped off foundations, trees laid flat, like massive, huge, old cypress trees

00:18:08.940 and oak trees just laid flat.

00:18:11.660 A lot of damage to buildings.

00:18:13.260 But everybody's out there cleaning up and getting after it.

00:18:16.000 And we'll keep praying for them and working with them.

00:18:17.960 I know that the Guadalupe rose, what was it, 26 feet in 45 minutes.

00:18:26.700 That's extraordinary.

00:18:29.660 Yeah.

00:18:30.220 And, I mean, it's hard to put in perspective.

00:18:32.700 And I tweeted out a picture that we had of a time lapse of what happened out in Orlando.

00:18:37.820 And you could see it in about literally it was about a four-minute span where the water just rose up.

00:18:44.360 I don't know how many feet, but if you look at the video, it's extraordinary.

00:18:46.760 It's engulfing a bridge, filling up an entire river basin.

00:18:51.280 And people were, you know, responding to that tweet like, oh, my gosh, how does that happen?

00:18:56.400 This is what we deal with in central Texas generally with flash floods because we have hard, dry ground.

00:19:03.400 We have limestone with a very thin kind of layer of soil on top, right?

00:19:09.080 And we've been in a drought, so it's particularly been pretty hard.

00:19:13.500 And so, you know, you get then a rain like we got, which is basically a tropical storm type event that just sat and spun in that one location.

00:19:23.140 And that water is going to go somewhere when you're talking 12 to 14 inches of water.

00:19:27.480 And so that's what happened.

00:19:28.840 And it came down.

00:19:29.460 Look, I've seen a lot of different theories on this and people going, oh, well, you know, some people are saying it's, you know, don't worry.

00:19:36.880 This is not the first time this has happened.

00:19:38.440 They should have been prepared.

00:19:39.460 You know, there was the flood in 1987.

00:19:41.220 There's been floods before.

00:19:42.520 True.

00:19:43.220 Yeah.

00:19:43.780 And they are ready for that sort of thing.

00:19:46.300 But then how ready are you?

00:19:48.500 Well, what you saw here was a level of water that went so fast and so furiously.

00:19:54.260 And remember, between 4 a.m. and 6 a.m., right, it was in that window of July 4th.

00:20:00.680 So, you know, they were prepared for flash flooding, but they were prepared for what you would call normal or even bad flash flooding, not the level that occurred.

00:20:10.640 And that's what happened.

00:20:11.680 So, Dana Bash was on CNN, and she was saying that, you know, this is the federal government.

00:20:21.240 They, you know, the two Texas National Weather Service offices that were involved in forecasting and warning.

00:20:27.580 They were missing some key staff members because of Donald Trump's cuts.

00:20:32.100 However, the records show that they normally have two people that are in there.

00:20:39.020 And because of the warnings that were coming out the night before, they had five people on duty.

00:20:46.600 I mean, can you comment at all about the Trump cuts that have gotten more people killed now or because of global warming?

00:20:56.060 Yeah.

00:20:56.420 I mean, it's all just so absurd.

00:20:58.360 First of all, take one step back.

00:21:00.220 The finger pointing generally is just offensive when you're dealing with trying to find bodies and trying to deal with families grieving.

00:21:08.380 Like night before last, I was with the families who have not been able to find their daughters or who are pretty, you know, are learning the bad news about their daughters.

00:21:17.980 So that's where I was night before last.

00:21:20.240 I don't know where Dana Bash was, but she wasn't there. 0.90

00:21:23.500 And we're down on the ground with first responders trying to find people.

00:21:27.060 And we're trying to clean up debris and we're trying to help a community heal.

00:21:31.800 And we're trying to deal with you got a camp director who died trying to save little girls.

00:21:36.060 And I'm there with his daughter who is now there with the families of the people who lost their little girls at this camp.

00:21:44.280 And she was there because she loves them.

00:21:47.520 And you know how hard that was?

00:21:49.440 And you got these people like Dana Bash who were out there, you know, making this conjecture about budget cuts or the Trump administration didn't have people there, which, first of all, is false.

00:22:01.140 It's just not true.

00:22:02.140 And second of all, whatever we're going to do in analyzing all of this, do it in a week or two or in a month when we can sit back and take in all the facts.

00:22:12.820 We used to be a country that would do that.

00:22:15.160 And instead now it's all about this politicization and this, you know, recriminations and trying to exploit.

00:22:21.620 We got media who are tracking down the family members right now.

00:22:24.920 And when the families say, guys, we don't want to talk, they go dig up stuff on social media, put pictures up on their kids, kids who were alive 72 hours ago, aren't alive now.

00:22:35.720 And they're grieving. 0.96

00:22:37.020 So that's the kind of crap we're dealing with. 0.98

00:22:39.100 And with all due respect to Dana, it's just not true. 0.98

00:22:41.900 OK, and by the way, you know, whatever the National Weather Service was doing, do you and I both believe that there's probably bureaucracy at NOAA and in commerce that could be made better?

00:22:54.200 Yeah, I'm sure you and I believe that.

00:22:56.540 And I know President Trump believes that.

00:22:58.480 Should we improve it?

00:22:59.800 Probably.

00:23:00.960 But to say they weren't doing their job and they didn't have the resources there is a lie.

00:23:05.440 So that's what happens when you try to politicize it instead of pursue facts.

00:23:09.720 Let me just say this.

00:23:13.500 There was a flash flood watch that was issued at 1241 in the morning.

00:23:20.220 Then a flash flood warning was at 114 a.m.

00:23:24.900 Flash flood emergency was issued at 534 a.m.

00:23:30.280 The problem is, I mean, I don't know about you, but I'm not getting my flash flood warnings at that time.

00:23:37.020 This area doesn't have a great cell service, if cell service in some of these areas.

00:23:42.380 So you're not getting any of those kinds of warnings.

00:23:44.480 And the area had gone through, should we put up, you know, like air raid sirens, you know, tornado warning sirens, should we put those up?

00:23:55.480 And the town decided not to do it.

00:23:57.460 I mean, this is years ago.

00:23:58.800 Right.

00:23:58.820 I mean, I think it looks like everybody did what they were supposed to do.

00:24:02.880 It happened in the middle of the night.

00:24:05.720 Yeah.

00:24:06.200 And if I look at this and I haven't studied at all what decisions were made, you know, by Kerr County or by the state or anything else.

00:24:12.980 I know there was some stuff about a bill that was, you know, debated this last session and who voted for it, who didn't.

00:24:17.800 None of that really matters.

00:24:19.160 The question really is, it doesn't matter at this moment.

00:24:21.500 It will matter in the long run.

00:24:22.680 But the question for me is, you know, my gut and instinct is you need sirens, right?

00:24:27.960 That's my gut.

00:24:28.640 That's my quick reaction is that you need sirens, right?

00:24:31.220 People in Tornado Alley and they live up, you know, they have sirens.

00:24:34.080 So in a place like this that has flash floods that occur every decade or two or five and some can get bad, great.

00:24:40.620 You're going to need sirens.

00:24:41.500 You need a plan to get to high ground.

00:24:43.620 That's my gut.

00:24:44.780 But we'll talk to the locals and the state and the feds.

00:24:47.840 But look, here's the thing that's kind of interesting to me.

00:24:50.760 If you look through it all, say, okay, those warnings were put out.

00:24:54.460 So what are the double-edged swords here?

00:24:56.960 Sometimes we get flash flood alerts.

00:24:59.040 I mean, you know this in Texas, even in the Dallas-Fort Worth area.

00:25:01.960 But certainly down here, we get them a lot.

00:25:05.080 So you kind of pay attention even when you get it in the middle of the day.

00:25:08.800 Like I pay attention enough as a dad to go, all right, you know, okay, make sure everything's good.

00:25:13.500 But you get them a lot.

00:25:15.200 And here's the problem.

00:25:16.400 And when you get like, well, we're going to get two to four inches of rain or we're going to get four to six inches of rain.

00:25:21.220 And you hear that, you go, okay, that's a lot of rain.

00:25:23.440 Okay.

00:25:23.880 But it sounds normal.

00:25:25.600 The question here is when National Weather Service, when the state government, those folks,

00:25:31.700 our Texas Department of Emergency Management started moving resources there because their view of the tropical storm,

00:25:38.600 combined with what they were getting from the National Weather Service, told them that, yeah,

00:25:42.460 this is starting to get a little bit interesting.

00:25:45.640 So some of that was happening.

00:25:47.920 People were paying attention.

00:25:49.500 People were preparing.

00:25:50.800 But it was an extraordinary event.

00:25:52.880 So a question can be asked, well, who knew it was an extraordinary event and when did they know it?

00:25:58.300 Did anybody?

00:25:59.060 How are they going to get the information, Chip?

00:26:00.960 How is anybody going to get the information to people, even if they did know it at 3 o'clock in the morning without sirens?

00:26:07.760 That's right.

00:26:08.500 That's to me, that's my starting position.

00:26:10.720 And then the question becomes, you know, before that, it's like, well, who knew what?

00:26:14.640 My observation of all this is the president, the federal government was doing what they normally do and more and some sent more people were on top of it.

00:26:25.560 They put out notices and we'll have to go through and see.

00:26:28.700 OK, you know, there were there were different meteorologists who, for my observation here in Texas, were all still observing this late in the night.

00:26:36.480 There's a local guy in Austin who's pretty good and he was tracking it.

00:26:41.260 I was tracking it, Glenn, from D.C.

00:26:43.660 You know why I was tracking it?

00:26:45.340 Because I was trying to decide if I was going to go to Kerrville, where I go every year for the Fourth of July for a big concert with my family.

00:26:53.860 Then President Trump asked and his team asked if I would stay for the bill signing.

00:26:58.380 And so we made a decision.

00:26:59.580 OK, it looks like it's going to rain in Kerrville, but we didn't know it was going to be catastrophic.

00:27:05.400 That's my point. I was following it and it looked like it was going to be heavy rains.

00:27:10.580 And then it got a lot worse late night and then the warnings went out.

00:27:14.960 But to your point, you've got to have sirens.

00:27:17.040 That's my observation.

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00:27:26.440 All right. We welcome Stubergear to the program, our executive producer and our head writer for television and also our chief researcher, Jason Buttrill.

00:27:35.400 Guys, biggest story of the day, in your opinion, Stu, first.

00:27:42.480 The floods, without a doubt, I think is the biggest story of the day.

00:27:46.780 You know why you say that?

00:27:48.200 Why?

00:27:48.400 Because you have a heart.

00:27:49.540 Now listen to Jason.

00:27:50.760 Listen to Jason.

00:27:51.440 He's not going to say that.

00:27:52.360 Go ahead, Jason.

00:27:53.180 What's the biggest story of the day?

00:27:54.480 I'm madder than I'll get out, Glenn. 0.99

00:27:56.140 It's all about this Epstein crap. 0.99

00:27:58.920 I'm going to get you in trouble right now. 0.99

00:28:00.820 I don't know if I should.

00:28:03.100 Yeah, well, hang on, Grinch.

00:28:06.100 I want to hear a little bit.

00:28:07.380 I want to hear about really people dying before we get to you, Jason.

00:28:12.700 So, Stu, what is the, I mean, besides the amazing rescues, did you hear about the guy who was in his home?

00:28:20.260 I think it was a trailer with his, maybe his mother-in-law or his wife.

00:28:26.400 I think it was his mother-in-law and two children.

00:28:29.800 They couldn't get out.

00:28:30.840 By the time it was up to their ankles and by the time he gathered all the children and tried to open the door, it was up to the waist and he couldn't open the door.

00:28:39.220 And so he broke the bedroom window and took the mattress and was shoving it out the window with his kids on top of it and he cut his arm and sliced the artery on the broken glass, sliced the artery, almost, I mean, almost cut his arm completely off.

00:29:02.180 He's hemorrhaging as he's still pushing the kids and everybody out the window and at the very end he says, I'm not going to make it, but stay safe, I love you.

00:29:13.800 And he dies, rescuing his family.

00:29:16.580 I mean, it's amazing stories coming out of this.

00:29:19.200 Yeah, I mean, it's one of the worst stories that I can remember in a long time.

00:29:23.180 Certain stories hit you in different ways, right?

00:29:25.460 Like I always thought, you know, and maybe it's, you know, the era of life that you're in, right?

00:29:30.140 Like I was, had, you know, very, you know, you were at the beginning of, I have kids that like were going to camp or thinking about going to camp this year.

00:29:39.500 They're right around the age of group of these girls that were killed.

00:29:43.720 And, you know, you think about back to like, the other one that always hits me like this is Newtown.

00:29:48.160 You know, obviously all these shootings are different, but like the Newtown one in particular, just, you know, five-year-olds and like just completely, you know, completely innocent and just awful.

00:29:57.100 So it hits me, it hits you at that level. 0.96

00:29:59.820 And then you also see the reaction to it, which has just been so ridiculous.

00:30:03.620 All these false claims about how, well, it's the budget cuts that are the reason for this. 0.79

00:30:09.660 It's absurd.

00:30:11.160 I can't take it.

00:30:12.180 Heartless people who are making these political points on the backs of dead children.

00:30:16.540 It's disgraceful.

00:30:18.100 I mean, especially when you know the facts, two people usually are on duty, you know, at NOAA.

00:30:26.160 There were five on duty because they knew the storm was coming.

00:30:32.440 All of this stuff about budget, I can't take it.

00:30:35.500 It, you know, I did something poorly, you know, in hour one of the podcast today.

00:30:40.880 And, you know, I just can't take the, I cannot take the moral, I don't know, snobbery of the left anymore.

00:30:53.760 The fact that just, they're just, they're morally superior to everybody else.

00:30:58.160 And we know, and that's why the budget shouldn't have been cut.

00:31:01.080 You have no idea what you're even talking about.

00:31:04.080 Stop it.

00:31:04.980 Just stop it.

00:31:05.760 All right, so Jason, with your heart full of compassion or tinsel, I can't remember which one it is, you're saying the Epstein story is the biggest.

00:31:17.220 And why is that?

00:31:19.400 Because I think Epstein is not the story.

00:31:23.500 I think it is the truck or the vehicle that is bringing this story.

00:31:29.760 But the, what the real story is here is the lack of justice, it seems.

00:31:36.720 Yeah, and you're right there, how I'm feeling on this.

00:31:40.780 I mean, we've gone from, let's just go do a quick flyby of the timeline.

00:31:44.580 We've gone from, we're going to release the Epstein list. 0.83

00:31:47.080 We're going to figure this out.

00:31:48.560 Then, you know, the next year or so, it went to, well, we just need more time to do this, as Pam Bondi was saying.

00:31:55.640 And then Pam Bondi again, the Epstein list is on my desk, and now there is no Epstein list.

00:32:02.580 We're not sure what you're talking about.

00:32:04.320 I'm just predicting the future.

00:32:06.260 Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, hang on, don't just stop it, it's on my desk.

00:32:10.720 Then the next line from her was, they are stopping us from getting all of the information we need in New York City at the FBI office.

00:32:22.900 And that's when I got on the air and said, if that is true, why aren't you there arresting those people who are being insubordinate in the pursuit of justice?

00:32:34.020 And nothing happened, which just didn't ring true to me.

00:32:37.880 There's something wrong.

00:32:39.880 Right, and before I get to that point, I'll just say that in the future, we're now going to be saying that Epstein never existed, period.

00:32:46.780 He is just a made-up person, we don't even know who?

00:32:51.300 He's probably scrubbed from the internet at that point.

00:32:54.500 But Glenn, the only thing I can come up with here, there's two explanations, right?

00:32:59.720 Do you want the dark one or the not-so-dark one first?

00:33:02.720 I'll let you choose.

00:33:03.600 Well, I mean, I'll go with the dark one first so then we have a happy ending. 1.00

00:33:07.780 Okay, so this is the dark one.

00:33:11.980 Why have these things not gotten out?

00:33:14.280 Why has the list not gotten out?

00:33:15.500 Why is this still being a secret?

00:33:17.900 Imagine, if you will, for a second, the economic impact of, let's say there is a list, the economic impact that multiple major CEOs, Fortune 500 guys, the richest people in the world, are on this list.

00:33:32.280 Now, imagine having to choose, do we let this out, and then you're like right there, you know, talking to the big decision makers, if we let this out, the U.S. economy will take this hit, this hit, this hit, this hit.

00:33:44.860 Can we do that right now?

00:33:46.340 And imagine that this has gone through multiple different presidential administrations with the same exact choice to make.

00:33:53.600 Are they willing to let that happen?

00:33:55.700 Can I tell you something?

00:33:56.860 Can I tell you something?

00:33:57.440 I learned something about myself, I think it was last week or the week after, or the week before.

00:34:03.780 What was the week when we bombed Iran? 0.88

00:34:08.060 It feels like 14 years ago.

00:34:09.920 I can't remember.

00:34:10.520 Doesn't it?

00:34:10.860 It's so weird how this happens.

00:34:11.880 When we were going through that, I wrestled with my, I know about Iran, I know the threat they pose, I know the threat they pose to the United States of America, but as I put myself in Donald Trump's shoes, I thought, this is why I couldn't be president. 0.99

00:34:27.440 Could I make the choice that I'm so certain that I could be the guy that started World War III?

00:34:36.220 You know, it's a very lonely, the presidency is a very lonely place.

00:34:41.000 It all rests on you.

00:34:43.180 And I just didn't think I would, you know, I said to myself, well, that's why you're not president, nor should you ever run for president.

00:34:49.420 Because I don't know if I would have had the guts to do what he did, which I think is the right thing.

00:34:55.560 On this one, oh, the economy crashes because we have people who are pedophiles?

00:35:01.720 I shut the whole country down.

00:35:03.300 I don't really care.

00:35:04.340 I don't care.

00:35:05.000 The economy collapses.

00:35:06.240 Good.

00:35:06.640 It should collapse.

00:35:07.740 This cannot stand. 0.76

00:35:09.180 This is children being molested.

00:35:11.640 I have no, I don't lose a wink of sleep if the economy nosedives.

00:35:15.900 No.

00:35:16.560 Do you?

00:35:17.500 I don't.

00:35:18.420 I've never been in that position to where I have to make that call.

00:35:21.620 I would like to say yes, I would not.

00:35:23.580 I would do exactly what you said that they would do.

00:35:25.480 But I don't, who knows what goes on behind closed doors.

00:35:28.820 And you went geopolitical there.

00:35:30.620 That was my other half to that dark scenario was multiple different world leaders, world

00:35:36.000 leaders that you have trade agreements with, that you have multiple defense packs with,

00:35:40.720 all those things.

00:35:41.520 What if they're on there?

00:35:42.740 What do you do?

00:35:43.860 Now, what do you do?

00:35:45.080 There's phone conversations between their intelligence communities, yours, the leaders themselves.

00:35:49.680 Do you let this out?

00:35:51.340 And again, this goes back multiple different presidential administrations.

00:35:55.620 Who knows?

00:35:56.780 Who knows?

00:35:57.300 Can I tell you what went through my head when you said that?

00:36:00.620 I first thought, well, this is how bad I, this is another reason why I'm not president

00:36:03.540 is because if I had world leaders on that list, um, yeah, I would probably hold their

00:36:09.200 names back only if they gave me everything I wanted.

00:36:13.600 I mean, I would use it as political blackmail.

00:36:15.860 I would be like, yeah, you know what?

00:36:17.720 Yeah.

00:36:18.020 Your tariff is going to be 80% now.

00:36:20.840 Okay.

00:36:21.180 Uh, and by the way, you know, who's on our side all the time, no questions asked.

00:36:26.120 I think about bombing, you know, a couple of neighborhoods in your country.

00:36:30.380 Guess who's going to be leading it?

00:36:31.980 Yeah.

00:36:32.100 You.

00:36:32.680 Okay.

00:36:33.020 You know what I mean?

00:36:33.840 I, I, it's so bad to say that, but I would be tempted to go, oh, well, we're going to

00:36:39.120 get a few things that need to be done.

00:36:41.000 Done.

00:36:41.500 Okay.

00:36:41.740 So you went exactly to the lighter explanation.

00:36:44.760 So for, in my mind, there's only two, but your mind went exactly to the, so this is

00:36:48.640 the light side.

00:36:49.380 The only other explanation I could think of why this is happening.

00:36:52.080 That, the, and the second one is we know the intelligence community is involved in this

00:36:57.000 somehow.

00:36:57.660 Like, like Liz Wheeler said.

00:36:59.120 Why do you say that?

00:37:00.020 Why do you say that?

00:37:00.940 The CIA director does not just go and pay attention to in a direct meeting with a guy

00:37:06.780 involved in a, if it's a, if it's a low end sex trafficking case, he doesn't just go

00:37:11.760 there because it's a low end sex trafficking case and have meetings.

00:37:14.560 Doesn't do it.

00:37:15.100 Give me the, give me the actual scenario on who visited and when, what, what, where in

00:37:21.320 the timeline was it?

00:37:22.340 This was Biden's CIA director, uh, last administration.

00:37:26.840 It might, it might even happen before he was CIA director, um, had, uh, multiple meetings

00:37:32.140 with Epstein himself.

00:37:34.040 And then even before that, as you mentioned before, Alex Acosta, when he was with DOJ handling

00:37:40.040 this case said, I was told to back off.

00:37:42.660 I was told he quote, belong to intelligence.

00:37:47.780 Correct.

00:37:48.580 We know the intelligence community was involved some way.

00:37:52.780 If the reporting is accurate, which is, you know, something we can allow for potentially

00:37:58.040 some of it not being, and you know, you do have a times whistleblowers that aren't accurate

00:38:01.940 on their claims.

00:38:03.220 Yeah.

00:38:03.500 So if not, I would love to hear those specific explanations, which we haven't, haven't happened

00:38:08.940 yet.

00:38:09.160 So the, the lightest explanation I can think of is that, and this is similar to, because

00:38:13.960 I, Glenn, you know, you had me go deep into the JFK files.

00:38:17.620 Some of the things we found once we got into them was that, well, there was a lot of conversations

00:38:23.160 that sounded guilty in the JFK assassination stuff.

00:38:26.780 It made the CIA look not great in multiple different areas.

00:38:31.000 So the lightest possible explanation I can think of here is that the intelligence community

00:38:35.720 at least thought about, allegedly, possibly, leveraging this situation.

00:38:41.880 Like, oh my gosh, who was involved?

00:38:44.540 Maybe we can somehow leverage this in our favor somehow, whether that's through trade deals,

00:38:48.760 whether that's through defense packs, whether that's, whatever.

00:38:51.580 Think of something.

00:38:52.660 It was discussed.

00:38:54.640 Possibly it was never acted upon, who knows, but they look guilty somehow.

00:38:59.740 And if that's the case, we won't find this out for another 50 years once they have like

00:39:03.680 another JFK file release, something like that.

00:39:06.240 Na, na, na, na.

00:39:09.340 Claudia was leaving for her pickleball tournament.

00:39:11.620 I've been visualizing my match all week.

00:39:14.160 She was so focused on visualizing that she didn't see the column behind her car on her

00:39:18.320 backhand side.

00:39:19.100 Good thing Claudia's with Intact, the insurer with the largest network of auto service centers

00:39:24.780 in the country.

00:39:25.880 Everything was taken care of under one roof, and she was on her way in a rental car in

00:39:29.700 no time.

00:39:30.320 I made it to my tournament and lost in the first round.

00:39:33.800 But you got there on time.

00:39:35.640 Intact Insurance, your auto service ace.

00:39:38.280 Certain conditions apply.

00:39:39.140 You got there on time.

00:39:39.760 You got there on time.

00:39:40.480 Sorry...

00:39:41.740 Bye bye bye.

00:39:44.020 Bye bye.

00:39:45.880 Bye bye.

00:39:46.860 Bye bye bye.

00:39:54.020 You got there on time.

00:39:55.920 Bye bye bye.

00:40:05.900 Bye bye bye.

00:40:07.940 Bye bye bye.

The Glenn Beck Program - July 07, 2025

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