The Glenn Beck Program - October 28, 2020


Best of The Program | Guests: Rep. Jim Jordan & Dr. Pippa Malmgren | 10⧸28⧸20


Episode Stats

Length

33 minutes

Words per Minute

161.16145

Word Count

5,419

Sentence Count

342

Misogynist Sentences

2

Hate Speech Sentences

4


Summary

If Joe Biden were elected president, what would his first 100 days in office look like? Will the economy be as good or as bad as it was under President Obama? Glenn Blumberg and Jason Buttrill break it all down. Plus, the latest on Joe Biden and his family.


Transcript

00:00:00.000 Hello, America. We are six days away from the fundamental transformation of America.
00:00:05.420 Oh, who's excited about that? That happens if you believe the polls. We're not so sure. We
00:00:11.820 talk about the polls. We talk about the latest on Joe Biden and his family. But knowing that
00:00:17.540 it's about your family, really, we also tell you about the economy and the digital civil war,
00:00:24.020 all of that and so much more on today's podcast. And the big show tonight to figure out the first
00:00:29.480 hundred days of the Joe Biden administration, if it were to happen, what would it look
00:00:34.040 like? You should be prepared for that as we approach the election. And Wilfred calls in
00:00:37.660 and God is a little smoked at Stu. Also, did you want me to finish the promotion for your
00:00:44.200 special tonight? I wasn't listening. I didn't think so. Tonight is Glenn's special. Watch
00:00:48.520 it right after a brand new Stu Does America. It's blazetv.com slash Glenn. 30 bucks off
00:00:53.760 and use the promo code Glenn.
00:00:59.480 This election really is about fundamental transformation of America. We're six days
00:01:15.920 away from that possible outcome. If Joe Biden gets in, they are looking at an entirely different
00:01:23.320 country than the one that you recognize. We'll tell you about that tonight. And we urge you
00:01:29.160 to watch with a friend, maybe somebody who hasn't made up their mind yet. We're going
00:01:34.260 to show you in their own words what they're planning on doing in the first 100 days. And
00:01:38.940 I'll I'll comment on some of this stuff and show you as we go on. But they want to throw
00:01:44.820 the economy out and start something entirely new. So is that where we're at? Who do you trust
00:01:53.080 to be able to bring jobs to you? When Donald Trump took office in January of 17, the unemployment
00:02:00.700 stood at four point five percent? And remember, Obama and Biden said that's the best it will
00:02:06.460 ever get. By Q4 of 2019, it had fallen by 32 percent, just under three point five. This
00:02:16.160 included all time lows in black and Hispanic unemployment. Overall, the Trump's Trump's
00:02:23.280 unemployment rate set 50 year lows. U.S. household income grew at an annualized rate of two point one
00:02:33.720 from January 2017 to December 2019, 75 percent higher than the annualized growth rate under the
00:02:42.560 eight years of the Obamas and their administration. That was a rate of one point two. It was twenty
00:02:52.680 percent faster than the rate of inflation of one point seven. Notably, this includes black
00:03:00.360 household income growth rate of three point one, nearly double the rate of inflation. And here's
00:03:07.640 where it really matters. The wage growth for people just like you, non-executive workers.
00:03:16.120 It grew at an anemic point eight percent during the entire eight years of the Obama administration.
00:03:24.480 From Q1 2017 to December of 2019, your wages grew over three percent in 2018.
00:03:35.480 A largely because of the tax cuts. Said another way, the non-executive U.S. worker wages grew one hundred
00:03:45.200 and eighty seven percent faster under Donald Trump than under Barack Obama. So this is about your
00:03:53.460 family. This is about your wallet. But it is also about who we are. Do we want somebody who is
00:04:05.480 corrupt? In office? They have made all kinds of charges on Donald Trump, but they have absolutely no
00:04:14.200 evidence. But look at the overwhelming evidence on Joe Biden. Last night, one of Joe Biden's business
00:04:23.000 partners was on Tucker Carlson, and he has said he's just had enough.
00:04:29.720 We bring in Jason Buttrill, who is our chief researcher and national security advisor on the
00:04:38.060 program. Welcome, Jason. How are you? Thank you, Glenn. Doing well. So tell me what what you pulled
00:04:44.900 from this interview last night. I keep waiting to see this smoking gun that I believe is out there
00:04:53.120 that I think they can find. But it's direct money going straight towards Joe Biden. Yeah,
00:05:00.940 you're looking for a wire transfer. And I'm not sure if you will find one because of the documentation
00:05:05.680 that we found that Hunter Biden was saying it's to be held for the big guy. But I think that it's I
00:05:13.680 really think that if Tony Bobulinski last night looked extremely credible. I think that's one of the
00:05:20.440 biggest things. Everything he was talking about, the locations he was describing in vivid detail,
00:05:25.560 meeting at places like the Peninsula Hotel. And and that's when he talked to I think it was
00:05:31.880 Jim Biden, where he said, you know, plausible deniability. In fact, let me let me play this.
00:05:37.940 This is a cut. He had just said that Joe Biden, he could confirm because he was part of this deal.
00:05:43.060 He can confirm that Joe Biden is the big guy, which meant 10 percent of all of the business dealings
00:05:50.100 was going to Joe Biden from China. Here's how he was answered when he said, how do you expect to get
00:05:58.580 away with this? Listen, Bobulinski on Joe Biden's plausible deniability. I know Joe decided not to run
00:06:05.980 2016, but what if he ran in the future? Aren't they taking political risk or headline risk? And I remember
00:06:13.600 looking at Jim Biden and saying, how are you guys getting away with this? Like, aren't you concerned?
00:06:19.800 And he sort of looked at me and he laughed a little bit and said, plausible deniability.
00:06:25.900 He said that out loud? Yes. He said it directly to me, one on one in a cabana at the Peninsula Hotel
00:06:31.400 after about a hour and a half, two hour meeting with me asking out of concern, how are you guys
00:06:38.000 doing this? Aren't you concerned that you're going to put your brother's future presidential
00:06:41.880 campaign at risk? You know, the Chinese, the stuff that you guys have been doing already in 2015 and
00:06:48.740 2016 around the world. And I just can almost picture his face where he sort of chuckles and says,
00:06:54.780 you know, plausible deniability.
00:06:56.620 So, Jason, first of all, explain who Bobulinski is.
00:07:03.240 So Bobulinski was, I guess you could call him a business partner, a partner with Hunter Biden
00:07:09.320 and multiple other of the people that are all involved in this, the usual suspects,
00:07:13.160 people like Devin Archer. But he was recruited directly. And he's even alleged that Joe Biden
00:07:18.600 was actually involved directly with him in a meeting to recruit him to be the CEO of one of
00:07:24.220 these companies that embarks in these business ventures all over the world.
00:07:28.560 Okay. So why I have the one thing to Stu and I were talking earlier today. The one thing I don't
00:07:34.540 understand is why is this guy coming out now? I mean, and he's saying, you know, I came from a,
00:07:43.340 you know, a Navy family. So you were willing to be involved in this then, but now you're not.
00:07:49.420 Yeah. Do you have any feeling on why he changed and why he's now standing up?
00:07:58.240 I can only speculate, but you can tell that he was conflicted about it because he asked if they
00:08:03.640 were worried politically. Why would you be worried politically unless you knew exactly who some of
00:08:08.400 these people were that they were dealing with? And I think we'll talk about a little bit later.
00:08:12.380 They did know exactly who they were dealing with and how they were connected with the Chinese.
00:08:17.900 In fact, here's the audio. He said last night that they were proud of their relationship
00:08:24.440 with the Chinese.
00:08:26.840 It also sounds like Joe Biden was vetting you to some extent.
00:08:30.780 Yes, of course. Like I didn't request to meet with Joe. They requested that I meet with Joe.
00:08:36.640 And, you know, he's putting his and Hunter says this in writing. It was a reference multiple times.
00:08:42.960 They were putting their entire family legacy on the line. They knew exactly what they were doing.
00:08:48.900 They were dealing with a Chinese owned, you know, enterprise run by Chairman YI, CFC, that had strong
00:08:55.820 financial support and political support from the Chinese Communist Party. That's how it was presented
00:09:00.640 to me. That's not my own words. That's how they presented it to me and read me in on it.
00:09:04.680 And they being Gillier and Hunter Biden, being Hunter Biden, who was very proud of that and taking
00:09:11.280 credit for it when I sat with him for two hours on the patio of the Chateau Marmont in L.A.
00:09:16.320 Proud that they were doing a deal with the Chinese Communist Party?
00:09:18.540 Well, proud that they were that he had the relationship with Chairman YI, who was running
00:09:23.560 CFC and the ability for them to get deals done around the world and stuff like that.
00:09:28.900 CFC is the Chinese energy company that they were involved in.
00:09:34.260 And he also said, as I watched it last night, I was I was struck by how credible this guy
00:09:39.660 looks and feels. His answers didn't seem rehearsed.
00:09:43.780 It just seemed real. And he talked about a meeting with Joe Biden that he was brought in
00:09:49.660 and, you know, 10 o'clock at night in some hotel.
00:09:54.480 Uh, they had this meeting where he talked about all of the business deals.
00:10:01.120 Yeah, I think the biggest thing about, you know, back to your previous question on why
00:10:05.460 he's coming out now, I think it looks exactly that they knew who they were dealing with.
00:10:10.880 I think that now he's just sick and tired of not being able to of everybody else going
00:10:16.860 down and not him or not the Biden's.
00:10:19.080 All of his friends, all of his business partners, they've to some extent been convicted in U.S.
00:10:23.800 federal court on dealing with some of these crazy things involving like money, money laundering.
00:10:28.760 Um, in one case, Devin Archer was actually convicted.
00:10:32.320 And this is interesting because there was another report that said that, uh, or some audio that
00:10:36.920 Hunter Biden talks about, about him and Joe Biden being named as witnesses in a U.S.
00:10:42.480 court case.
00:10:43.300 The only other court case I can think of was the one where, uh, John Galanis, Devin Archer,
00:10:48.080 and Bevin Cooney were all convicted for defrauding $60 million from a Native American tribe.
00:10:55.000 Now, is that what he was referring to?
00:10:56.620 It's possible.
00:10:57.640 But I mean, oh my gosh, just the optics of that right there that the media refuses to even
00:11:01.920 report on.
00:11:02.440 This is the best of the Glenn Beck program.
00:11:10.360 Blaze TV reporter Elijah Schaefer attacked Tuesday night inside a Philadelphia store while
00:11:16.280 filming ongoing looting in the wake of the police shooting of Walter Wallace, who was killed
00:11:21.980 after alleging, after allegedly, no, it's not allegedly, it's on videotape, charging the
00:11:29.320 police with a knife.
00:11:30.980 You can hear them saying, drop, drop the knife, drop the knife.
00:11:34.060 It's not, it's not entirely clear to me, at least the first time I saw where, where his
00:11:38.840 knife, where the knife is, but it does.
00:11:40.500 No, no one's denying there was a knife used.
00:11:42.860 Daily Caller reported Shelby Talcott was also reporting for Philadelphia.
00:11:46.620 She tweeted mass looting across the river and Elijah Schaefer just got beaten up for filming.
00:11:51.980 This is inside the Five Below store.
00:11:54.840 Police are in the same parking lot near the Walmart, but there seem to be too many looters
00:11:59.900 for them to do anything about it.
00:12:02.240 Let me play the video of him being attacked last night.
00:12:06.520 Here it is.
00:12:08.260 Look at the looting.
00:12:15.780 Look at that.
00:12:17.340 They surrounded him.
00:12:18.640 Now the camera person got out.
00:12:21.980 Um, Elijah, you were surrounded by 10, 15 people.
00:12:28.840 Yeah.
00:12:29.400 Unfortunately, uh, it escalated from one person to about a dozen very, very quickly.
00:12:35.740 Um, you were obviously punched in the mouth.
00:12:38.900 We can see the, um, effect of that.
00:12:42.640 Your sleet, your speech is a little, uh, weird as usual, uh, or we're then usual, uh, and sorry
00:12:50.780 to make you laugh and smile.
00:12:52.460 Um, how are you, how are you doing?
00:12:54.600 Uh, you know, I'll tell you this.
00:12:58.280 I'm actually really happy to be alive because in that same shopping center, um, right there,
00:13:03.740 there was a 15 year old girl who was shot, um, according to reports.
00:13:08.160 And I heard multiple gunshots, uh, throughout the night.
00:13:10.520 Another individual is reported to have, uh, been shot as well.
00:13:14.140 Still trying to confirm.
00:13:15.120 I watched people get, get pummeled, uh, beyond belief.
00:13:19.260 And even another journalist named James clue, uh, he had to run almost a mile to get away
00:13:25.500 from writers who tried to beat him up because, uh, and I will say this indiscriminately, they
00:13:30.240 were specifically targeting white people, uh, last night.
00:13:33.800 And that was who they were after.
00:13:36.440 Why do you, why do you say, why do you say that?
00:13:39.820 Uh, because they were only attacking white journalists, uh, specifically.
00:13:44.560 And they told me, they called me a white supremacist, uh, during my attack.
00:13:49.960 And after the fact, they came up to me at another location and told me a white supremacist
00:13:54.940 and started accusing me of things that clearly have no base.
00:13:58.500 Uh, and James had a similar, uh, a similar interaction.
00:14:02.380 And I'll say this, I was standing next to three different reporters who were also filming,
00:14:07.300 uh, who are all Hispanic.
00:14:09.120 And they decided to only target me and they let them continue filming.
00:14:12.640 Um, so, you know, the racial slurs and accusations based with the fact that they only went after
00:14:18.260 the two white journalists, uh, in the group lead me to that conclusion.
00:14:22.140 And is this why, uh, and I don't want any details on anybody who is working with you, but
00:14:26.980 is this why the camera was not taken because they punched you and the camera was rolling?
00:14:33.020 And got out.
00:14:35.480 Yeah.
00:14:36.060 Well, that was actually a reporter, Shelby Telcott, who was completely covered up because, uh,
00:14:41.560 the lawyers guilt, the lawyers guild was looking for her at the other protests, trying to ID
00:14:46.740 her.
00:14:47.040 Uh, it's a group that touts themselves as a, uh, legal group, but they really try to dox journalists
00:14:53.760 and get people attacked.
00:14:54.840 So she had completely covered up.
00:14:56.620 So tell me, um, your reaction to the New York times saying that you are, you're going
00:15:03.120 in the New York times, they said are covering it.
00:15:06.000 We're just covering it from a distance and, uh, we can see everything that's going on.
00:15:10.580 These guys are just trying to, uh, make this bigger than it is and trying to, uh, ratchet
00:15:15.720 up the violence.
00:15:16.980 That's what the New York times said about your beating.
00:15:20.660 Glenn, I, I'm going to tell you this, and this is what I, it's like what we're reporting
00:15:26.360 at night.
00:15:27.760 It's so funny to hear people that aren't there, try to counter it.
00:15:31.260 And then reports come out later that we were right.
00:15:32.980 You know, I said that the police lost control of the city and I got mocked as well by the
00:15:37.240 same journalists.
00:15:38.040 Oh, you're exaggerating.
00:15:39.860 How do you mean they lost control?
00:15:40.980 Well, then the actual police chief says the night was a total loss and they were unable
00:15:46.380 to get control of the, of the city stretching several, several large blocks.
00:15:50.840 This is like a mile, a square mile or so area.
00:15:53.360 There was just no ability for police to do anything, uh, with more than a thousand writers
00:15:58.580 in just one location.
00:15:59.820 I mean, I would say there would be anywhere, maybe two to 3000 writers last night in just
00:16:04.700 a square mile or so the police were not prepared.
00:16:07.780 And at one point they just gave up and that's, they literally just gave up and just kind of
00:16:14.080 left.
00:16:15.160 Uh, you were in the Walmart.
00:16:17.740 That's where you were.
00:16:18.460 Or were you in the five below a store when you were beat up?
00:16:21.820 I was in the five below and I want to know not to make fun of anyone's position or to
00:16:27.520 take it lightly, but why would you loot a store that's known for $5 and under items?
00:16:32.340 That's not where I would loot.
00:16:34.100 Right.
00:16:34.600 Right.
00:16:35.000 Oh, well, um, but the Walmart you showed was looted and police have had kind of, which
00:16:42.620 was what?
00:16:43.520 Right across the street.
00:16:44.580 And they weren't doing anything for the five below.
00:16:48.580 And I got the impression that they had kind of given up on Walmart as well.
00:16:53.880 Yeah.
00:16:54.380 So this is what's so crazy.
00:16:55.720 So the, the videos that your, your viewers would be seeing, or if they're listening, uh,
00:17:00.200 the Walmart was looted in rounds.
00:17:01.840 So if people broke in, police came, cleared out the Walmart, and then they would run from
00:17:06.960 the Walmart to the next store, right next to the police, start looting that store.
00:17:10.300 Then the police would leave the Walmart, run over to the next door to clear them out.
00:17:13.400 And then everyone would run back into the Walmart.
00:17:15.760 So it was like, it was just like, I never, I'm laughing because I'm going, this is what
00:17:21.380 happened.
00:17:21.780 And the police just pushed people.
00:17:23.160 Essentially the police kept pushing people till I counted over 30 stores that were looted.
00:17:27.420 Uh, to, that's even a conservative estimate.
00:17:30.100 I mean, they went after a Chick-fil-A.
00:17:33.260 Why?
00:17:35.920 Well, racism, of course.
00:17:38.400 Um, uh, Elijah, were you wearing all of the equipment that I got for you last night?
00:17:48.400 Um, well, this was a time where we couldn't wear plate carriers, but I did have protection,
00:17:52.540 uh, to an extent.
00:17:54.240 And, and I also was, uh, I was, you know, caring sufficient means to protect myself in
00:17:59.660 a legal matter.
00:18:00.760 Um, but I'll tell you this, there is no law and order in these places.
00:18:05.760 And while I, I, I do respect law enforcement officers who protect and serve the people,
00:18:12.260 these big cities have a real problem when the police of the cities cannot help people.
00:18:17.940 And I will tell you this, we needed the national guard there and they were nowhere to be seen.
00:18:22.940 And that was confirmed by multiple other outlets, including the Daily Caller, including Town
00:18:26.620 Hall.
00:18:27.900 Elijah, please, you and your crew stay safe.
00:18:30.900 Thank you so much.
00:18:31.780 Thank you, Glenn.
00:18:35.080 You're listening to the best of the Glenn Beck program.
00:18:37.720 Dr. Pippa Malmgren.
00:18:55.640 Uh, she's an economist.
00:18:57.060 Uh, she was an economic advisor to George W. Bush, the author of The Infinite Leader.
00:19:03.220 We want to talk to her about the economy and the digital civil war that is coming.
00:19:08.620 Uh, doctor, how are you?
00:19:10.700 Hello.
00:19:11.580 I'm very well.
00:19:12.600 I'm very excited to be on the program with you.
00:19:14.400 Good.
00:19:14.620 Thank you.
00:19:15.100 So I wanted to talk to you a little bit about, first of all, the economy.
00:19:18.920 As we look at the economy, um, what, what's going to happen with a, uh, Biden, Green New
00:19:28.580 Deal, uh, kind of radical agenda if they start to pack the courts?
00:19:35.020 Hmm.
00:19:35.920 Well, look, I actually have a more optimistic view that as soon as we know the result one
00:19:41.800 way or the other, a lot of people are going to say, okay, fine.
00:19:44.740 Now I'm going back to work.
00:19:46.040 Then there's a second question of what does it mean if, if Biden becomes president?
00:19:50.700 And I think it's going to take the Democrats a couple of years to have an internal punch
00:19:55.560 up about where exactly is the policy supposed to be?
00:19:59.180 It's not like when Clinton came in and it was a kind of center, middle pro business position.
00:20:05.220 Now we have a kind of far left all the way to the middle of the road and no agreement amongst
00:20:11.560 all those folks as to what should we actually do.
00:20:15.480 So it's an unknown is the answer.
00:20:18.140 We know it will be obviously not what most Republicans would want, but I'm just saying
00:20:23.080 we don't know how far to the left it might be.
00:20:25.340 So we are at a time now where the information that people get is edited and shaped and put
00:20:36.620 in front of them and they can be manipulated without even knowing it.
00:20:41.420 But we, we also know that Twitter and Facebook have been editing the news.
00:20:47.420 What's really terrifying that nobody really understands is I have a digital twin and you
00:20:54.680 have a digital twin.
00:20:56.500 Tell me what that means to the average person.
00:21:00.200 Yeah.
00:21:00.920 So basically all of the data that you give off every day from not just searching on a search
00:21:07.600 engine, but frankly, if you have a phone in your pocket and you walk down the street,
00:21:11.360 the phone can tell what the condition of your heart is from the way you walk.
00:21:16.020 In other words, all these electronic devices are picking up information about us.
00:21:20.640 It's very, very deep.
00:21:22.220 And all this data is kind of accumulating and like a twin of yourself that you can't see,
00:21:28.400 but others can see it.
00:21:29.940 So for example, banks increasingly, if you're applying for a job, they'll look at your digital
00:21:34.980 twin and make decisions about you based on that.
00:21:38.440 So if you order Ben and Jerry's ice cream at midnight on Thursday nights while Googling Weight
00:21:44.120 Watchers, that algorithm is going to say this person is a little emotionally unstable and
00:21:49.900 that's going to show up in the personnel search.
00:21:52.880 And maybe that's the reason you don't get a phone call back or even worse, they'll start
00:21:57.900 to look at the, at a married couple and compare the purchasing patterns and the behavior patterns
00:22:04.240 of both.
00:22:04.640 And they can anticipate a divorce that the couple themselves don't even know is coming
00:22:09.260 and often drive down the credit limit of the lower earning partner in anticipation of
00:22:13.900 that divorce.
00:22:14.860 So that's what I mean by your digital signature or your digital twin is starting to have a huge
00:22:21.340 impact on your actual life.
00:22:23.440 So they actually, uh, take your data and we'll say this is an unstable person.
00:22:31.640 I mean, your example was, but with an example like that.
00:22:38.280 Yeah.
00:22:38.920 I've talked to banks around the world and this is becoming ever more commonplace.
00:22:43.520 So think of it this way.
00:22:45.320 Um, it's the question of the algorithms read through all the data and they start to find
00:22:51.060 patterns and one of the patterns might be that if you have a married couple and the two of
00:22:56.860 them are spending in very different ways in different locations, that this is just an early
00:23:02.520 indicator that there's a breakdown in the marriage.
00:23:05.580 Now, all this data is typically auctioned off on the internet, right?
00:23:09.460 That's the whole point of doing your searches through say Google, Google takes the data and
00:23:14.260 they auction it off around the net and theory it's what they call anonymized, meaning it's
00:23:19.380 anonymous, it's not you, but I have to say, I have my doubts that data is really, truly
00:23:25.740 anonymous.
00:23:26.280 It's becoming easier and easier to identify from your zip code and from your daily activities,
00:23:33.680 kind of exactly who and where you are.
00:23:36.440 So it's becoming a tracking mechanism.
00:23:39.800 Are we any different than the Chinese other than the government is using this data?
00:23:44.700 Are we any different?
00:23:45.540 Do they have more information on their people than we have on ours?
00:23:51.200 I think this is the key question of our generation when we talk about surveillance capitalism, which
00:23:57.060 is kind of the broad name for what we're talking about here.
00:24:00.520 And the thing is, in China, the government does it.
00:24:03.340 In the U.S., we've privatized it.
00:24:05.280 So we have private entities that are gathering the data.
00:24:07.980 But what we don't have is an internet that keeps all this kind of data either fully private
00:24:15.200 and in your control or even better, permits you to monetize and make money off it as opposed
00:24:21.020 to others.
00:24:22.060 And there are a few people working on that, like Sir Tim Berners-Lee, who was the original
00:24:26.140 inventor of the internet, and a few other people.
00:24:28.680 But it's kind of a hard technical task.
00:24:30.940 And one, the public isn't really supporting it, because I don't think the general public
00:24:34.700 understands their digital twin and what the implications are of it.
00:24:41.180 So the one thing that really, really concerns me is, especially if the Democrats get in, they
00:24:48.640 have this new, it's called the new monetary theory, which is not a new monetary theory.
00:24:53.780 It's an old monetary theory that just says, spend as much as you want, and we can always
00:24:59.900 print more.
00:25:01.580 Just with the spending habits that we have right now, we're headed for real trouble and real
00:25:10.540 trouble with the dollar.
00:25:11.780 You say that the government is going to issue, I'm assuming at some point, cryptocurrency itself.
00:25:20.960 So not jumping on the Bitcoin bandwagon, but issuing its own cryptocurrency.
00:25:26.080 And why is that a problem?
00:25:28.720 I think that's right.
00:25:30.380 People thought crypto was just private entities.
00:25:33.320 But now Russia, China, the European Union have all said they're going to issue sovereign
00:25:40.120 digital currency.
00:25:42.260 And one way of thinking about this is that it's a little bit like heroin for politicians
00:25:46.660 in the sense that you can double the money supply with the keystroke.
00:25:50.060 You can also cut it in half with a keystroke, because it's not related to some underlying
00:25:54.920 phenomena like gold in the old days.
00:25:57.360 This is purely electronic and digital.
00:26:00.340 And even more interesting, when you have digital currency, you can choose whose bank accounts
00:26:06.060 it goes into or comes out of.
00:26:08.520 So the Chinese, for example, have been already giving away the new digital currency and testing.
00:26:14.600 Basically, people start to use it and then directing it to some, not others.
00:26:19.260 You could easily imagine a politician saying, I would like to give a tax break or send free
00:26:25.600 money to a certain group of voters, but not others.
00:26:28.880 And the criteria will be fill in the blank.
00:26:32.120 And now you're able to create a kind of financial mechanism for encouraging or discouraging particular
00:26:40.180 voting patterns, as an example.
00:26:42.100 It allows you to stop any kind of behavior that you don't like.
00:26:47.200 It's really, I mean, the digital twin would be a social score.
00:26:50.960 And the government can shut anyone it wants off and reward anyone it wants.
00:26:58.900 So you're right to use this term score.
00:27:01.940 And that's exactly what's happening is we're being scored all the time because of this digitization
00:27:08.180 of everything.
00:27:09.940 But when you add digital money into it, it's not just a score.
00:27:14.200 It's also a kind of way to keep track of who's doing what in the economy, where, when, with
00:27:21.180 whom, how.
00:27:22.880 And if you decided you didn't like certain kinds of economic activities, you could penalize
00:27:28.320 them a lot more easily with a digital currency as a sovereign nation than with traditional
00:27:34.160 paper money.
00:27:34.940 And I do think we're on the edge of a huge transition from paper money into digital money.
00:27:42.460 And this will also change the balance of power between states and citizens and also between
00:27:48.700 companies and customers.
00:27:50.140 So there are lots of political consequences of this technology change.
00:27:55.620 How long do you think we are away from that?
00:27:58.300 Well, I'm literally looking at the net as I'm talking to you.
00:28:01.000 And there's a story that says McDonald's, Starbucks and Subway denied testing China's
00:28:05.740 new digital currency, which means most probably companies like this are beginning to test it.
00:28:10.980 China's giving it away.
00:28:12.460 Russia has announced their plan to test and unveil digital currency.
00:28:17.580 The EU has said they're absolutely on track.
00:28:20.760 In the US, there's been a bit slower.
00:28:23.620 But again, private JP Morgan is introducing a digital currency, the JPM coin that's already
00:28:29.340 ready for commercial use.
00:28:31.200 And I suspect the US government's going to let the private companies test it out before
00:28:35.100 they dive in.
00:28:36.120 So then what happens to Bitcoin?
00:28:37.340 Well, I think people thought that by having Bitcoin, you could somehow escape the government
00:28:46.100 and government surveillance, maybe the taxation system.
00:28:50.460 And I think that's not correct.
00:28:52.480 Because in the end, even if you wanted to do all that, you have to actually log into your
00:28:58.940 Bitcoin account.
00:28:59.820 That means you need a keyboard of some kind.
00:29:01.840 And the world we're describing here is, it's so easy to digitally track what are you typing
00:29:08.440 into your keyboard?
00:29:09.500 I mean, it's going to reach the point where the only person who won't know your password
00:29:12.640 is you.
00:29:14.400 Right?
00:29:14.720 So, you know, once you're in digital space, there's no way to really hide.
00:29:23.440 It's a very visible electronic grid that captures all the activity that's occurring inside it.
00:29:31.400 So you can't really step outside that digital grid, and particularly not once money itself
00:29:37.120 becomes part of the process.
00:29:38.840 We are seeing now the breakdown of our society in certain cities, and we're seeing riots and
00:29:49.680 burning of cities, et cetera, et cetera.
00:29:52.120 I think both sides feel like they've been pushed to the absolute limit.
00:29:57.680 You talk about a civil war, but you say it's not going to be like it's ever been in any civil
00:30:05.080 war before.
00:30:06.480 What do you mean by that?
00:30:07.460 Well, so, look, what I was talking about was less the sort of violence that we're witnessing
00:30:15.640 and more a broader phenomenon, which I've written about some years ago in a book I wrote
00:30:21.960 called Signals.
00:30:23.200 It's about the breakdown of the social contract, the relationship between states and citizens,
00:30:29.980 between companies and customers, among citizens.
00:30:32.860 And I personally think that's because of the heavy debt load that most nations carry.
00:30:39.660 And that debt load kind of breaks the promises that hold a nation together.
00:30:44.540 Like, you can retire at 65.
00:30:46.540 Well, now, because of debt, we can't.
00:30:48.520 And the fastest-growing part of the workforce are people over the age of 55 because they can't
00:30:53.040 have enough savings to make it to the end of their life.
00:30:55.780 And so as we renegotiate the social contract, this reveals a lot of longstanding, unresolved
00:31:03.460 issues.
00:31:04.120 And by the way, COVID exacerbates that because COVID also reveals the pre-existing underlying
00:31:09.120 conditions initially in a person, but also in companies, in a society, in politics.
00:31:15.960 And one of the pre-existing underlying conditions that has revealed is this issue between African
00:31:23.600 Americans and the rest of society and a kind of unresolved sense of what is the right social
00:31:30.840 contract that is inclusive of everybody's needs in a way that everyone is comfortable with
00:31:37.140 and can benefit from.
00:31:39.780 And so some people are taking some violence to deal with that.
00:31:43.380 Others are using technology to overcome that.
00:31:47.540 And so, you know, this is where we are.
00:31:49.640 We are renegotiating the social contract right now.
00:31:53.180 One last question.
00:31:54.380 I know you're an optimist long-term.
00:31:56.960 How do you think 2021 is going to look?
00:31:59.900 A lot like 2020 or worse or better?
00:32:03.140 You know, okay, I'm going to give you a really optimistic view because, you know, nobody else
00:32:07.780 is going to give you it.
00:32:09.000 Right.
00:32:09.280 So, my feeling is, look, we've got a wave of entrepreneurial energy being unleashed as
00:32:15.100 people get fired, companies are closed, restaurants go out of business.
00:32:19.040 And I don't believe most people lie down, roll over and say, there's nothing I can do.
00:32:23.240 Most people go, you know what?
00:32:24.800 I have an idea.
00:32:25.980 And they will try to build something new.
00:32:29.140 And two-thirds of the net new jobs are always created by companies employ less than 50 people.
00:32:33.480 So, we're going to have a wave of entrepreneurial energy.
00:32:36.620 Not all of it will work, but it's going to be very exciting.
00:32:40.140 And then add to that, we have this record amount of money that's been injected into the
00:32:44.780 economy from government, which I'm not in favor of, but the fact is, there it is.
00:32:49.000 It's in the system.
00:32:50.440 And usually, that money will find the good business models.
00:32:55.080 And then add to that this technological revolution we're going through, digitization, the efficiency
00:33:00.880 gains are massive.
00:33:02.100 And so, I actually think the recovery may happen much faster and more sharply than people expect.
00:33:08.720 Because right now, they're building in the Great Depression Mark II.
00:33:11.420 And I'm not at all convinced that that's how it's really going to play.
00:33:15.780 I think the recovery may be much faster.
00:33:18.160 From your lips to God's ear, thank you so much.
00:33:22.620 Thank you.
00:33:23.640 You met Dr. Pippa Malgrim.
00:33:27.140 She is an economist, a former economic advisor to George W. Bush.
00:33:32.100 And the author of the book, The Infinite Leader.
00:33:35.540 Na, na, na, na.