The Glenn Beck Program - Best of the Program ｜ Guests： Rep. Thomas Massie & James Lindsay ｜ 5⧸31⧸23

00:00:00.000 What was your favorite thing in today's show, Stu?

00:00:03.260 My favorite thing in today's show?

00:00:05.340 Yeah.

00:00:05.700 The downfall of civilization?

00:00:08.800 I thought that was a really...

00:00:10.120 I thought we had some really good information today.

00:00:12.800 No, that's true.

00:00:14.120 Yeah, we did cover the downfall.

00:00:15.520 I just remember the Thomas Massey interview.

00:00:17.380 That may not have gone as well as he had hoped.

00:00:23.220 But, you know, I'm a friend, and I am a tough friend.

00:00:27.540 I mean, I speak my mind.

00:00:29.280 Is that so wrong?

00:00:30.700 No.

00:00:30.980 Is that so wrong?

00:00:32.040 You guys are adults and are able to talk about minor disagreements,

00:00:36.120 and that's supposed to be the way it works in this country.

00:00:39.360 Yes.

00:00:39.540 But I did want to hear from him, because he has a really good record,

00:00:43.600 particularly on spending.

00:00:45.500 And yet he was the guy who allowed this spending bill to go to the floor.

00:00:49.760 Yeah, he did.

00:00:51.380 So we get into that with him.

00:00:53.200 I also have James Lindsay on the program today.

00:00:55.540 Really good.

00:00:56.020 With a very important warning about what is going on.

00:01:01.340 And I will say, Mimi, you know what?

00:01:02.700 I can amend my answer.

00:01:04.900 My favorite part of the show today is we actually found someone who dislikes George Soros more than you.

00:01:11.420 That is an amazing thing.

00:01:14.380 That wasn't.

00:01:14.740 I mean, there's nobody that hates George Soros as much as me, except this guy.

00:01:19.640 Yeah.

00:01:20.100 On the program today, Alan Dershowitz.

00:01:22.860 All right.

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00:02:21.140 You're listening to the best of the Glenn Beck program.

00:02:26.240 So this is great, Stu.

00:02:28.700 The House Rules Committee gave the green light for the Fiscal Responsibility Act.

00:02:33.820 I love these.

00:02:35.220 Whatever the name says it is, it's always the opposite.

00:02:40.220 This is not fiscal responsibility.

00:02:42.820 Hey, you know, we could spend anywhere between $4 and $6 trillion in the next two years, you know,

00:02:49.160 over what we can bring in.

00:02:51.700 I don't think that's a good idea.

00:02:55.620 That's not fiscal responsibility.

00:02:58.040 Anyway, the panel advanced the bill to the floor for debate.

00:03:02.000 They could be voting on it tonight in a narrow 7-6 vote.

00:03:06.300 This was Thomas Massey of Kentucky, a GOP hardliner and fiscal hawk.

00:03:14.620 He voted in favor of the rule.

00:03:16.940 He said, today's bill is a product of compromise and reflects the realities of a divided government.

00:03:22.600 He said that he was not trying to, let's see here, I'm not trying to do anything ideological on this committee.

00:03:35.240 That's not what committees are for.

00:03:37.640 I kind of disagree with that.

00:03:39.320 Now, McCarthy came out and he, you know, they were like, uh, hey, dude, looks like you were outsmarted.

00:03:48.760 He's like, outsmarted?

00:03:51.300 Joe Biden can't even find his pants in the morning.

00:03:54.580 Yeah, that's probably why we're a little upset.

00:03:57.720 He said, how are we outsmarted?

00:04:00.200 It's the largest tax cut in the history of Congress.

00:04:03.880 Okay.

00:04:05.420 Could we stop there for just a second?

00:04:07.540 First of all, Stu, do you know how anyone's calling this a tax cut?

00:04:15.400 I mean, I'm sorry, a spending cut?

00:04:19.320 Well, the stated part of this, we can talk to Thomas about this, but it's a cut as to future projections and spending.

00:04:27.640 So it's a slowdown of spending.

00:04:30.240 It's not a cut.

00:04:32.540 Like, they say we're going to be spending $1.5 trillion less over 10 years from what measure, right?

00:04:38.600 What benchmark are you talking about?

00:04:40.300 And it's projections made previously, not what we're actually spending today.

00:04:45.020 Correct.

00:04:46.400 Correct.

00:04:47.080 Now, let me just ask this.

00:04:49.380 If it's a, let's just say. 0.68

00:04:50.800 I feel like you're luring me into something here.

00:04:52.560 No, no.

00:04:53.100 Let's just say you're using the 1%, okay? 0.50

00:04:56.400 1%.

00:04:56.880 We're keeping a cap 1%.

00:04:58.880 That's the largest cut in American history.

00:05:03.000 And we feel like, I think they just went to plastic straws because paper straws are starting to get expensive.

00:05:10.560 If it's the largest cut in American history, that should tell you something.

00:05:17.960 Because Calvin Coolidge cut the budget by 50%.

00:05:22.820 5-0%.

00:05:25.680 That's a big cut.

00:05:28.260 But it's nowhere close to this because we're spending so much money.

00:05:33.840 If 1% of our budget is cut, and that's bigger than a 50% budget, and then the next year another 50% cut from the budget, that's a problem.

00:05:48.960 We're spending way too much money.

00:05:52.060 Now, Thomas Massey is on.

00:05:55.380 And I'm not happy with my friend, but he is my friend.

00:05:58.800 And I want to listen to your argument here, Thomas.

00:06:04.520 What the hell were you thinking?

00:06:07.680 Just to clear up a few things.

00:06:09.720 Okay.

00:06:10.680 I do believe committees are for imprinting your ideological preferences.

00:06:15.440 With the exception of one committee, that's the Rules Committee.

00:06:18.940 What we do on that committee, if we're doing our job, is to make sure the House follows its own rules.

00:06:25.220 Let me give you an example.

00:06:26.620 All right.

00:06:27.020 We have a 72-hour rule that says you have to have 72 hours to read a bill.

00:06:33.220 That's been in place for 10 years, and the Rules Committee always waived it for the first 10 years.

00:06:38.740 When Chip Roy and Ralph Norman and I got on that committee, we said, you're not waiving this rule.

00:06:43.420 That's why you've had from Sunday at 7 o'clock until today at 7 o'clock to read this bill before we even get to vote on it.

00:06:51.900 So that's what the Rules Committee does. 0.94

00:06:53.620 Okay.

00:06:53.880 All right.

00:06:54.400 It's true we could have stopped this bill, but we can stop anything.

00:07:00.440 You can rewrite legislation in the Rules Committee.

00:07:03.000 You're not supposed to, but I'm on there to make sure they don't.

00:07:05.800 They didn't do any of that malfeasance, so we couldn't, in good conscience, use my position on the Rules Committee to stop this bill.

00:07:12.840 Now, everybody gets it.

00:07:13.620 I agree with you on all of that.

00:07:16.980 If that was your reason, I agree with you.

00:07:19.500 Okay.

00:07:20.160 Now, let me go on to the bill.

00:07:22.480 Some of the people opposed to this bill are overstating their case, and some of the people supporting this bill are overstating their case.

00:07:31.260 Okay.

00:07:31.580 There are caps on discretionary spending.

00:07:37.420 There are work requirements.

00:07:38.900 I don't – I'm not litigating any of that.

00:07:42.180 But what I am – the biggest part of this bill that appeals to me is they included language that I suggested.

00:07:50.520 It wasn't in the first debt limit bill that passed the House.

00:07:53.380 It was in this one.

00:07:54.400 It says that if we get to January 1st and we're still operating on a CR because the Senate wouldn't take the House's 12 separate appropriations bills up, we do a real, honest-to-goodness, 1% cut of everything, military, Democrat programs, all of it gets cut 1%.

00:08:14.540 Why is it 1%?

00:08:17.060 Why isn't it 10% or 50%?

00:08:19.880 Because I've seen these guys.

00:08:21.580 They will – when sequester happened, they were willing to do unnatural, unholy, and unclean acts to avoid a big cut.

00:08:30.040 But I think a 1% cut is enough to just drive them back to the table and do their freaking jobs, 12 separate appropriations bills.

00:08:38.960 So that's language in this bill.

00:08:41.860 Now, it may never become operable because maybe we get the 12 – maybe the Senate brings up our 12 bills before January 1st.

00:08:48.440 But it's hanging out there, and they know it's there, and I hope they won't avoid it.

00:08:54.460 Now, I know you had some of my friends on yesterday.

00:08:58.500 Yeah.

00:08:59.340 Super close friends.

00:09:00.940 I know.

00:09:01.200 And I'm not –

00:09:01.940 And you guys love each other.

00:09:04.020 You're on the same side.

00:09:05.820 Just we don't always have to agree with each other.

00:09:09.040 This one is kind of a big one.

00:09:10.700 But I respect you, Thomas.

00:09:13.040 You are not a rhino and all those things.

00:09:16.720 Your logic is usually very, very sound.

00:09:21.020 Well, here's where – now let me – let the engineer in me speak and do the logic part of this.

00:09:26.140 Okay.

00:09:28.020 My friends, they're saying – they're not saying they wouldn't vote for a debt limit increase.

00:09:34.220 In fact, we – almost all of us in the House already have when we voted for the cut, save, limit, grow, whatever they called it, act.

00:09:41.860 So they're not saying they wouldn't vote for a debt limit increase.

00:09:44.580 They're saying this bill isn't good enough.

00:09:46.400 Or maybe they're saying this bill is bad, even if it didn't have a debt limit in it.

00:09:51.440 They think it's still bad.

00:09:53.100 I hear their complaints, and many of them are valid.

00:09:57.500 But the question is, what are we going to get if we blow this up in the House?

00:10:04.000 And I've been here long enough to tell you what I think comes next.

00:10:07.280 This is where I disagree with my friends.

00:10:09.060 Some of them think you blow it up in the House, and you march Kevin back over to the White House, and you put him back in the room with Biden, and he comes out with something that's miraculously better.

00:10:19.380 I don't think that's the next step.

00:10:21.320 I think what happens next is McConnell and Schumer say, okay, well, you guys are done playing around.

00:10:27.980 We're going to get this done.

00:10:29.340 And they create another pair of negotiators.

00:10:31.780 They've done this before.

00:10:33.400 And those two guys have great latitude.

00:10:37.400 They'll pump out something that's darn near a clean debt limit increase.

00:10:41.620 They'll send it over to the House.

00:10:43.380 You have 10 Republicans who will cross the aisle and vote with Hakeem Jeffries, and you get a clean debt limit increase.

00:10:50.540 So what we're talking about here is a disagreement not on ideology or even – I'm not here to say this is the best bill ever.

00:10:58.160 It's a disagreement on how we go forward and what we get if we blow this up.

00:11:04.160 So I actually probably agree with you on what comes next, and that is because McCarthy blew it.

00:11:12.840 He was holding all of the cards, all of them.

00:11:16.280 Now you go back, and they will absolutely paint the Republicans exactly the way they always paint the Republicans.

00:11:23.720 And he didn't have to do that.

00:11:26.760 All the polls were showing that America was on your side for the first time.

00:11:32.240 They were on the Republican side on this issue, and he blew it.

00:11:36.420 You know what?

00:11:37.520 You know, if this bill passes, I think McCarthy should be gone.

00:11:43.360 He blew it.

00:11:45.160 He blew it.

00:11:46.220 Well, he got my provision in there, so I can't say he blew it.

00:11:52.300 But I do agree that the 435 people in the House designating one person to go into a backroom and cut a deal with the president is a real crappy way to do business.

00:12:02.380 But everybody agreed to do business that way.

00:12:06.020 It kills me.

00:12:07.080 We should have been debating and amending stuff in the Senate and the House, and then you would have a product that's valid.

00:12:13.060 But that's what we're going to do on the appropriations bills.

00:12:15.780 And I think the debt limit fight is a scrimmage, and I think the appropriations bills that are coming up is the Super Bowl.

00:12:23.340 And, you know, I was a part of all three efforts to get rid of John Boehner.

00:12:28.120 I co-wrote with Mark Meadows the motion to vacate.

00:12:31.840 And if you go back and read it, we listed a long train of abuses that John Boehner had undertaken.

00:12:38.920 If you disagree with Kevin on this, it's not a long train.

00:12:42.920 It would be the first car in the train.

00:12:45.100 No, I don't think Americans look at it that way anymore, Thomas.

00:12:48.420 I'm sorry.

00:12:48.900 The Republicans have so—hang on just a second.

00:12:51.140 The Republicans have so damaged themselves.

00:12:54.140 This is a long train.

00:12:55.360 Because every time you trust the Republicans to do something and stand, they fail.

00:13:00.940 Every time, they fail.

00:13:02.760 And it's not because they're outsmarted. 1.00

00:13:06.320 I mean, are they really this stupid that they lose every single time? 1.00

00:13:12.420 No. 1.00

00:13:13.160 It's because they don't say what they mean and mean what they say.

00:13:17.360 They don't look at these issues the same way the American public, especially Republicans, view these issues.

00:13:25.520 So, I'm sorry if it's not so fair that you go after McCarthy on this one train of abuse.

00:13:32.140 It's enough.

00:13:32.880 It's enough.

00:13:34.440 It's enough.

00:13:35.240 I understand if you're on the outside looking in, that's the way it looks.

00:13:42.020 But we call it the Old Testament and the New Testament.

00:13:45.200 On January, we created the New Testament.

00:13:47.660 There was a new covenant with Kevin.

00:13:49.960 And I'm willing to stick this out a few innings.

00:13:52.540 I'm not ready to start, you know, punching the umpire on the first inning.

00:13:56.660 Okay, I don't agree with the call.

00:13:58.820 But let me take a few more swings at these pitches and let's see if we can score something.

00:14:05.000 So, it's a new testament.

00:14:07.700 Let's try it.

00:14:08.420 I am not for, I think it's premature to say that we should vacate the chair or something

00:14:14.520 like that.

00:14:15.460 John Boehner abused us for quite a while.

00:14:18.340 This is a judgment call.

00:14:19.860 What I disagree with my friends on is that if we blow this up, we get a better deal.

00:14:26.180 I don't think we get a better deal if we blow this up.

00:14:28.220 And I agree with you on that.

00:14:31.200 Because your house, because your house leader blew it.

00:14:37.260 That's why.

00:14:38.420 That's why.

00:14:39.280 But I agree with you.

00:14:40.460 Now it's too late.

00:14:41.900 He got my provision in there at 1% cut on January if the Senate hasn't done.

00:14:47.280 I can't believe the White House agreed to it.

00:14:49.520 But they did.

00:14:50.520 1% cut on January if we're still operating under a CR when we get there.

00:14:54.980 You know what would have been better?

00:14:56.840 If you would have left the RAINS Act in there.

00:14:59.080 What I'm just saying.

00:15:01.040 We'll be voting on the RAINS Act next week, I believe, here in the House.

00:15:05.620 And I may be managing that bill for the Rules Committee.

00:15:08.980 Well.

00:15:09.500 So.

00:15:09.820 You know what?

00:15:11.160 I think you'll be celebrated from coast to coast if you can get the RAINS Act through.

00:15:18.460 But, Thomas, I want to make it really clear.

00:15:20.840 I am not mad at you.

00:15:24.700 I disagree with some things.

00:15:28.100 I hope that you know you are my friend and I am your friend.

00:15:33.480 But this is the way America used to be.

00:15:37.040 I will fight for your right to say and to do things that you believe are true.

00:15:42.280 You fight for my right to do that.

00:15:44.380 We're going to disagree because we're humans.

00:15:47.220 But I'll tell you, the patience of the American people is running very, very thin.

00:15:53.860 Very thin.

00:15:55.460 Well, I'm not infallible.

00:15:57.600 Maybe I got duped on this.

00:15:59.560 I don't think I did.

00:16:01.120 I've seen enough of the tricks they play.

00:16:04.000 But I respect your opinion and I understand the frustration.

00:16:07.720 That's the same frustration that drove me to come here.

00:16:10.240 I know.

00:16:10.960 And I'm trying to see a way through this.

00:16:14.940 And we'll see what happens after this.

00:16:17.660 You know, I would just say don't judge us and don't judge Kevin on this thing alone.

00:16:24.440 It's like sighting in a rifle.

00:16:26.760 You don't look at where the last bullet went.

00:16:28.960 You look at the pattern.

00:16:30.660 And where the grouping is to determine what you need to do to correct the rifle.

00:16:35.980 Yeah.

00:16:36.520 And this may be a flyer.

00:16:38.000 It may be.

00:16:38.940 But I don't think it is.

00:16:40.120 You can sight in the rifle, but when you're in war and the enemy is almost on top of you, sometimes you just start to shoot.

00:16:49.720 I'm just saying.

00:16:51.180 Thomas, thank you very much.

00:16:52.980 Appreciate it.

00:16:54.100 Congressman Thomas Massey from the great state of Kentucky.

00:16:58.360 This is the best of the Glenn Beck program.

00:17:01.680 Thank you for listening to the Glenn Beck program.

00:17:04.180 You are an amazing group of people.

00:17:06.380 The world really didn't know about ESG.

00:17:12.040 We started talking about it when it was just a conspiracy theory.

00:17:16.180 And I think because of this audience and the audiences of Russell Brand that people now know what ESG is and they're standing up against it. 0.98

00:17:25.480 The other thing that this audience and I did it out of stupidity. 0.90

00:17:29.020 I just didn't know you don't touch this rail. 0.99

00:17:31.020 I began talking about George Soros 20 years ago and and speaking out loudly about him and found him to be a very dangerous person because of that.

00:17:45.680 A lot of money was spent through media matters and everything else to in particular target me and my voice.

00:17:52.960 And he has he has rallied people to say that I'm an anti-Semite for it.

00:17:59.420 Nothing could be further.

00:18:01.140 I won the defender of Israel award.

00:18:04.800 I mean, I just I'm just saying.

00:18:09.200 But you always claim that he is that you're an anti-Semite if you speak out about him.

00:18:15.960 I don't care what his religion, what his creed, what his race.

00:18:19.340 I don't care about any of it.

00:18:20.740 I don't care.

00:18:21.820 However, he and America is now seeing it firsthand, is systematically dismantling the West.

00:18:31.020 Look at what he's done to some of our cities.

00:18:33.940 His influence is dangerous.

00:18:37.620 Alan Dershowitz has just written a very brave article.

00:18:42.340 It's not going to Alan.

00:18:43.660 Welcome to the program.

00:18:45.600 Thank you so much.

00:18:46.800 I think I was there when you got the Defender of Israel award and I stood up and I gave you a standing ovation.

00:18:53.080 Yeah, thank you.

00:18:54.480 You deserved it.

00:18:54.980 And you're not only a defender of Israel, you've been a defender of the Jewish people.

00:18:58.860 You've been a defender of religion.

00:19:01.060 How dare anybody call you an anti-Semite?

00:19:04.700 The only anti-Semite that we've discussed on the show so far is George Soros, who was a self-hating.

00:19:10.940 He's not even a Jew. 0.99

00:19:12.000 I mean, you know, he started his life by collecting the property of Jews who were being sent to the concentration camps.

00:19:19.780 That's how he made his first money.

00:19:21.640 He's devoted his life to hurting Jews, to hurting Israel, to hurting America. 0.97

00:19:26.280 And nobody's attacking him because he's a Jew. 0.93

00:19:29.840 Obviously, he's hardly a Jew at all. 0.91

00:19:31.920 As a friend of mine would put it, he's Jewish only on his parents' side.

00:19:35.060 And his mother, his mother, he brags, his mother was an anti-Semite, an anti-Semite.

00:19:40.980 So, how dare anybody suggest that criticizing George Soros is anything but good for America, good for the Jewish people, good for Israel.

00:19:49.660 I'm going to continue to criticize him, as I've been doing along with you for the last 20 years.

00:19:55.200 Let people call me an anti-Semite.

00:19:57.140 I tell you, this is not going to make you more popular.

00:20:01.760 Can I be any less popular?

00:20:04.000 I am so despised today.

00:20:06.400 I used to be one of the most popular guys around.

00:20:08.240 And I defended Donald Trump, so all the Democrats hated me.

00:20:11.440 And then I decided not to vote for Donald Trump, so a lot of the Republicans hated me.

00:20:14.840 So, it's me and my wife and my kids and you and a few other people.

00:20:21.340 So, you make the point.

00:20:23.640 I mean, I don't know what it's going to take because the media is all in for George Soros.

00:20:30.340 He funds so many things.

00:20:34.060 And his son, I believe, is worse.

00:20:37.080 And he's got control, I think, of 17 of the 19 billion dollars of these funds.

00:20:43.420 But no one in the media will say anything about George Soros.

00:20:48.760 And he is dismantling our country.

00:20:52.060 Well, and it's worse than that.

00:20:55.100 The Jerusalem Post had an article saying every Jew must support George Soros.

00:21:01.900 And I wrote back and saying, not this Jew. 1.00

00:21:03.960 I'm not going to do it.

00:21:05.440 I see evil where I see evil.

00:21:07.440 I see good where I see good.

00:21:09.000 I support Christians when they do the right thing.

00:21:11.320 I oppose Jews when they do the wrong thing. 1.00

00:21:13.740 And you do the same thing.

00:21:15.400 I mean, you're not going to defend somebody just because they're a Christian.

00:21:18.160 Nope.

00:21:18.460 Well, obviously, some of the worst people in the world have come from various backgrounds 1.00

00:21:23.760 and various ethnicities.

00:21:25.140 You don't ask the question, you know, what's your religion?

00:21:27.800 First of all, Soros isn't religious.

00:21:29.040 But you don't ask the question, what is your religion?

00:21:31.580 You ask the question, what did you do?

00:21:33.840 Correct.

00:21:34.220 What have you done to America?

00:21:35.580 What have you done to fund prosecutors who are not doing their job and politicizing the

00:21:42.120 criminal justice system?

00:21:43.880 What do you do when you take an organization like Human Rights Watch, which was a wonderful

00:21:48.420 organization, neutral, unbiased, and you turn it into a hate America, hate Israel, hate

00:21:54.640 human rights, and just use human rights as a weapon against conservatives and in favor

00:22:00.840 of the hard left?

00:22:01.840 That's what George Soros' legacy is.

00:22:04.380 I know his son.

00:22:05.600 He has a house on Martha's Vineyard.

00:22:07.100 I know one of his sons.

00:22:08.140 I don't know the other one.

00:22:09.480 He seems like a nice enough guy.

00:22:11.160 And, you know, for all I know, George Soros can be a nice guy in person, too.

00:22:14.900 But you judge people by their actions. 0.94

00:22:16.660 And by his actions, George Soros is an evil.

00:22:21.720 I mean, you know, I think that Elon Musk got it right. 0.98

00:22:25.220 He's a supervillain.

00:22:26.880 He's a supervillain.

00:22:29.140 He may not be a cartoon character supervillain.

00:22:32.120 But in real life, he's done an enormous amount of harm.

00:22:35.400 In your op-ed, you said you won't call him Magneto because you don't really know who Mr.

00:22:42.480 Magneto is.

00:22:44.060 However, I've always said I thought he was more like the emperor in Star Wars.

00:22:52.940 Oh, you think your friends will save you.

00:22:56.700 Anyway, you know, there are a couple of countries, I think one in Asia, I think Hungary, maybe another one, that has banned his, you know, Open Society Foundation and his NGOs from coming into the country.

00:23:14.860 I mean, I think we should do that here.

00:23:18.520 I don't agree with that.

00:23:19.780 And I also think that there are some countries in Poland and in Austria and in Hungary, there have been some people who have used Soros' Jewish heritage against him in order to promote anti-Semitism.

00:23:36.560 We all condemn that.

00:23:38.240 We all condemn that.

00:23:39.520 Yeah.

00:23:39.880 In the same way we would condemn if anybody used somebody's Muslim heritage or Christian heritage to condemn them.

00:23:47.680 You condemn the person for what they did, not for what they are.

00:23:51.940 And so, you know, I'm going to continue to condemn those Europeans who point out Soros' religion, who compare him to, for example, the Rothschild family.

00:24:02.340 And the Rothschilds were real Jews. 0.97

00:24:04.060 They helped establish Israel.

00:24:06.000 They, for the most part, were great, great people.

00:24:09.020 And in that case, they only used their Jewishness to demonize them.

00:24:13.840 But that's not the case with George Soros.

00:24:16.060 And I'm going to continue to criticize him.

00:24:18.140 And I encourage others to criticize him without reference to his religion.

00:24:22.560 So, I've never referenced his religion.

00:24:25.120 And I've actually given him the benefit of the doubt on his childhood during the Second World War.

00:24:32.080 Because, I mean, I wasn't in that situation.

00:24:35.320 I don't know what I would have done.

00:24:37.520 And I don't want to judge somebody for that.

00:24:39.320 What has bothered me about that is he said he's never given it a second thought.

00:24:45.000 He's never had any question about what he did.

00:24:48.540 And he said, if I hadn't done it, somebody else would have.

00:24:51.720 That's what, you know, that's what everybody said.

00:24:54.020 Yeah.

00:24:54.340 Doing horrible, horrible things in Germany.

00:24:57.080 No, you stand up for what's right.

00:24:59.880 And, you know, I still love to hear him explain his statement, his bragging statement that his mother was an anti-Semite.

00:25:07.220 As if that's something to be proud of.

00:25:09.060 I mean, you know, my father was a hard-working guy.

00:25:13.400 I'm very proud of him.

00:25:14.380 He put me through college and law school.

00:25:16.440 I'm proud of my father.

00:25:17.740 But the idea of saying your mother was an anti-Semite, there must be something about that that makes him gloat with glee.

00:25:27.460 What he argues is he doesn't like particularism.

00:25:31.620 He likes universalism.

00:25:33.580 It's just an excuse.

00:25:35.100 That's just an excuse.

00:25:36.880 What he doesn't like is Israel.

00:25:39.120 He never has.

00:25:40.100 What he doesn't like is America, the country that saved him and saved so many of us and our parents and our grandparents.

00:25:48.900 You know, my grandmother, who came from a little shtetl in Poland, was such an American patriot.

00:25:54.920 She would take us on July 4th to the Statue of Liberty, make us pledge allegiance, and then sing in her broken accent the Star Spangled Banner, including the second verse, which nobody knew.

00:26:06.740 But my grandmother, with a thick accent, knew the second verse because she just loved America, and she loved Israel.

00:26:14.500 And, you know, I'm so proud of her.

00:26:17.720 She made it from nothing.

00:26:19.400 And, you know, George Soros, bless him, he made a lot of money.

00:26:22.800 That's okay.

00:26:23.700 That's the free market.

00:26:25.040 But to use his money in the way he does in such a destructive manner is appalling and deserves to be criticized.

00:26:33.320 And I'm going to continue to criticize, and I got a lot of flack for doing it, but I'm going to continue to do it.

00:26:40.640 So, all right, so let me ask you this.

00:26:42.220 So the only solution to him, and I'm asking you sincerely, I don't have an answer, the only solution to his use of money, the way he uses it, for instance, in all of our cities, is just to expose him and talk about it?

00:26:56.760 I think so.

00:26:59.480 I mean, you know, there are ways of limiting expenditures, but they run into the Constitution, and generally I don't support, you know, money is free speech.

00:27:10.740 And so let him do what he wants to do, but, you know, let's condemn him for the way he spends his money and the way he tries to influence America for the worse.

00:27:23.080 So I wouldn't, you know, take away his money or take away his ability to influence, but I would hope that people wouldn't be influenced by his money to defend him.

00:27:32.840 I think a lot of the people who jump to his defense and who criticize us are probably direct or indirect beneficiaries of his money.

00:27:40.540 And that's why Media Matters and other organizations like that jump to his defense immediately because they want his money.

00:27:46.500 Thank you so much, Alan, for everything that you do, and just another notch there on the popularity poll for Alan Dershowitz.

00:27:58.480 Thank you so much, Alan. I appreciate it.

00:28:00.180 My pleasure.

00:28:00.700 You bet. Alan Dershowitz, Harvard Law School professor emeritus, host of The Dershow, which is a great podcast, and the author of Get Trump.

00:28:08.600 Not that he was saying Get Trump. He was – anyway.

00:28:11.160 Anyway, I don't think I've ever had – we've ever had a guest on that's been more negative on George Soros than you.

00:28:17.040 I think we just set a new record. That was an impressive – and I guess you –

00:28:20.520 Can you call Alan Dershowitz an anti-Semite? Is that what the next step in this little charade is?

00:28:25.740 I guess we're going next.

00:28:27.060 They will ignore it, or they will just say he's going senile or whatever it is.

00:28:33.220 They will find their attack.

00:28:35.300 You're listening to the best of the Glenn Beck program.

00:28:38.040 So, James Lindsay is with us, and he's hacking everybody off online because I don't – I'm not sure that people understand what he is trying to warn against.

00:28:52.760 Welcome to the program, James.

00:28:55.080 Hey, Glenn. Always good to talk to you.

00:28:56.600 Good to talk to you.

00:28:57.680 He is the author, by the way, of The Marxification of Education and New Discourses Founder and President.

00:29:05.320 He says, political warfare is coming during Pride Month, and I fear you're right, and I also fear that you're right about the warning to Christians. 1.00

00:29:20.360 So, James, where do you want to start?

00:29:24.220 I think maybe we'll start kind of big picture.

00:29:27.820 I think we're going to see what political warfare is, first of all, is when you use basically intelligence kind of tactics against a population to get them to act and behave in certain ways that you can then take advantage of for political purposes, to drive an agenda, to get the DOJ to crack down on something, whatever.

00:29:46.580 So, now we know what that is.

00:29:47.960 I think we're going to see two attacks through Pride using LGBTQ, as they call it, issues as the wedge.

00:29:55.020 One of those will be to get our corporations that skew as American brands – Ford, Target, Bud Light, Americana brands – to take this up full blast.

00:30:07.080 So, the conservatives will turn around and boycott and target these corporations as we should and almost as we must, so we cut off ourselves at our own knees.

00:30:17.220 And Marxists would like nothing better.

00:30:18.860 But secondly, they will attack religious icons.

00:30:21.720 They will go after children.

00:30:23.680 We've seen this with the so-called Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence or whatever they call themselves in Los Angeles.

00:30:29.080 Going after very religious, offensive behaviors.

00:30:34.260 And the goal will be to – they know that conservatives, and particularly a lot of conservative Christians, are getting angry, that they're getting desperate. 0.98

00:30:41.960 It's almost like they've woke up a dragon, and they're going to feed the dragon and get them to do something stupid that will then turn around and get used against them, 0.98

00:30:49.920 whether it's investigate churches, shut down churches, come down on conservative Christianity just from a political perspective so that they're the domestic terrorist hotbeds of the country, 0.96

00:31:01.280 and then come around in a few months and offer some new fake state-approved Christian churches that will fill in the space that gets left by bulldozing what exists now.

00:31:12.880 So you really think it'll go – I mean, I don't know why I'm surprised at this, but, I mean, that is a huge statement to make, that they will shut down our churches?

00:31:26.000 Well, you know, the federal government can only do so much with that, but they can start doing investigations.

00:31:30.820 They can start digging in.

00:31:32.280 I wouldn't be surprised at all if there is some large Christian reaction that's not strategic, that's not thoughtful. 0.98

00:31:38.920 I'm asking nobody, by the way, to sit on their hands and do nothing.

00:31:41.580 This is a common misconception of what I'm saying.

00:31:44.540 But if it's not strategic, if we're not thinking intelligently about how we approach this,

00:31:48.980 there are already large dossiers written for the federal government saying that the cause of January 6th,

00:31:55.080 which, of course, is their favorite thing to go to, was, in fact, not even MAGA or Trump.

00:32:00.320 Believe it – how crazy is it that they say it's something other than Trump?

00:32:04.560 It's Christian nationalism, which is a rising domestic terror threat. 0.89

00:32:08.160 So if they can use some excuse to label churches as breeding grounds for domestic terrorism,

00:32:15.720 you can bet the Department of Homeland Security, the Department of Justice, and maybe the IRS are going to be cracking down and spying on churches.

00:32:22.280 You can bet they're going to try to push something like a Second Patriot Act that allows them to spy on churches

00:32:27.300 and do whatever else that they have to do in order to try to limit that alleged threat of domestic terrorism.

00:32:33.200 This is well-linked already in the federal government.

00:32:36.400 This isn't just some media narrative, although that's happening, too, to give it legs in the population.

00:32:41.460 This is something that they'll get the public to demand, that they're going to say white supremacy tied to Christian nationalism,

00:32:47.900 white Christian nationalism is the biggest threat.

00:32:50.320 It's a very serious concern, and they will use the unbelievable provocations that they're going to put forth in the next month or two for pride

00:32:58.280 to trigger Christians into giving them the reaction that they need so that they can justify these political moves 0.75

00:33:04.400 against both Christians and conservatives, but also all Americans.

00:33:08.200 So, in one survey conducted between 2007 and 2017, 52 percent, this is the claim, support some form of Christian nationalism.

00:33:20.680 Later study, Brookings Institute, Public Religion Research Institute, says only 29 percent of Americans fall somewhere on the Christian nationalist spectrum.

00:33:30.940 Over half Republicans reportedly show some degree of support, with 21 percent counting as adherents and 33 percent as sympathizers.

00:33:41.760 What exactly is a Christian nationalist?

00:33:45.360 You know, Glenn, I wish I could tell you because it's a very wide and I think deliberately wide spectrum of beliefs

00:33:51.780 that ranges from things that are as innocuous as that we need to have kind of a broad cultural revival

00:33:57.640 and bring Christian values back to the public square, meaning at the level of individuals coming back to God,

00:34:04.260 coming back to the church, getting, you know, their Christian principles right and living them,

00:34:08.920 all the way to the other side where we're talking about in, say, the book that's titled

00:34:12.920 A Case for Christian Nationalism by Stephen Wolf.

00:34:16.180 A Christian prince bestriding the land is the highest official, not just in the United States, but in the world.

00:34:22.300 And so this Christian prince is, of course, a Protestant recreation of the pope. 0.82

00:34:26.620 And this person is supposed to become the ultimate civil magistrate right out of kind of old philosophy.

00:34:33.620 You know, we talk old philosophy sometimes, Glenn, right out of Hegel's philosophy of right,

00:34:37.760 where we're going to have this new kind of brilliant magistrate leader who's going to, you know,

00:34:42.600 have the correct ideals and principles and lead the country.

00:34:45.180 So it's a huge spectrum of that, anything in between.

00:34:50.060 And they're playing, in a sense, both sides against the middle by putting out a wide spectrum

00:34:55.540 of different views so that if one's unpalatable or one's too soft, they can point to the others

00:35:00.400 and bounce around between the definitions and get people, especially Christians, to dip into their

00:35:05.900 values and say, well, you know what?

00:35:07.160 I'm a Christian and I believe in this country, so I actually align with something in this and I'll use

00:35:11.580 the label, which, like I said, I believe is actually a gigantic federal government trap being set

00:35:17.180 for Christians to step right into and lose their liberties. 0.89

00:35:21.480 So let me just give you some headlines.

00:35:23.560 Politico, most Republicans support declaring the United States a Christian nation.

00:35:31.640 This is from the Washington Post.

00:35:33.620 Americans are growing more accepting of Christian nationalism.

00:35:38.320 Well, I will tell you that they will put me and my collection of historic items into Christian 0.98

00:35:54.280 nationalism because I do believe the founding fathers founded this through their belief in

00:36:02.420 the help of God, and we are a Judeo-Christian nation.

00:36:06.880 And that's where we get most of our laws and the ideas.

00:36:09.940 They came from the pulpit.

00:36:11.160 That doesn't mean we hate other religions or anything else.

00:36:15.180 It just means that's the truth of our founding.

00:36:20.660 So that makes me a Christian nationalist, I'm sure, according to them.

00:36:26.120 Right?

00:36:26.500 Absolutely, Glenn.

00:36:27.320 Yes, absolutely.

00:36:28.160 You know how the left works.

00:36:29.180 They work through insinuation, association, and salacious claims so that they can take the

00:36:34.520 softest possible expression, something like what you just gave, that might convince somebody

00:36:39.220 it's Christian national, and then tie it to the most extreme behaviors. 0.81

00:36:42.880 And this is exactly what the dossier that was presented to the House Unselect, if we might

00:36:48.060 quote President Trump on it, House Unselect Committee about January 6th.

00:36:52.240 It's a 56-page document written by a lawyer named Andrew Sedell.

00:36:56.120 And he goes as far on the one hand as to giving kind of very extreme examples and tying it

00:37:01.900 to neo-Confederacy and people carrying Confederate flags through the Capitol.

00:37:05.720 And then on the other hand, he says, here's proof of Christian nationalism being so widespread.

00:37:09.300 And it might be something as innocuous as quoting somebody giving a prayer that's something

00:37:13.700 like, you know, Lord God, bless this nation, in Jesus' name we pray.

00:37:19.360 And so now all of a sudden, because you're saying bless this nation, that counts.

00:37:22.940 So your collection, certainly, your views, certainly are going to get roped into this.

00:37:27.420 In fact, what you'll find is most of the conservative side of the aisle will get roped

00:37:31.980 into this.

00:37:32.520 I, according to my Wikipedia, I'm not even a Christian.

00:37:36.260 I work with a Christian nationalist, so I'm Christian nationalist adjacent.

00:37:39.620 But it turns out that the guy that I work with, his name's Michael Fallon, you know him,

00:37:43.200 is not even a Christian nationalist and is on the front line fighting against this movement

00:37:46.860 and this trap with me.

00:37:48.520 So the facts will not matter to the left, is what I'm saying.

00:37:53.000 Right.

00:37:53.240 They will rope people in.

00:37:54.800 They'll use insinuation association to rope people in and to discredit them, to make them

00:37:59.980 the new deplorables, the new unvaccinated, the new whatever can't be listened to, and

00:38:04.720 to justify a large public scare campaign, to get Democrats to pressure Democrat politicians

00:38:10.960 to come out and push a second Patriot Act, to investigate churches, to demand a mandate

00:38:16.240 to figure out where this domestic extremism is allegedly coming from out of our churches.

00:38:20.440 So here is something from the Joint Committee report on January 6th, that white Christian 0.98

00:38:25.060 nationalists were more likely to eschew safety measures and prioritize the economy and liberty

00:38:31.960 over the vulnerable.

00:38:34.620 They're also more likely to hold anti-vaccine attitudes, oppose any federal gun control

00:38:40.500 restrictions due to the belief that the Second Amendment was divinely inspired.

00:38:45.980 They're more likely to fear immigrants and endorse anti-immigrant policies, and they oppose

00:38:51.540 same-sex marriage and transgender rights.

00:38:55.120 Holy cow. 0.89

00:38:56.920 I'm telling you, Glenn, this is what Mao Zedong did in China and New York, not specifically

00:39:01.300 with Christians, although that's relevant too.

00:39:03.600 What he did very successfully was he wrapped up this campaign he called Unity Criticism

00:39:08.800 Unity.

00:39:09.340 He said, we're going to have unity on a new basis here in China, and then he criticized

00:39:13.800 viciously, unfairly, just like what you just read, anybody who might be able to be painted,

00:39:19.960 not even somebody who is, but somebody who can be painted as an impediment to that new

00:39:24.640 basis and unity under it.

00:39:26.260 And then when everybody that's still allowed to have, you know, a voice, a vote, etc., when

00:39:31.980 everybody agrees, everybody who counts agrees, now they'll have unity under a new basis.

00:39:37.140 We see this with the pushes for belonging.

00:39:39.120 You see this with the pushes for inclusivity.

00:39:41.260 You see this right here with what you just said.

00:39:43.640 Every bad thing they can think of gets tied to this label Christian nationalism.

00:39:47.900 And sadly, if they turn to some of these hardcore guys that are both talking online and they're

00:39:52.880 writing books and they're doing podcasts, they have ample evidence of people saying

00:39:56.660 that they want to overturn the Constitution, they want to undo the 14th Amendment, they

00:40:01.140 don't believe in the Equal Protection Clause, they want to get rid of the 19th Amendment,

00:40:04.420 they want to get rid of free speech entirely and forced belief.

00:40:08.700 They have ample evidence.

00:40:09.920 Stephen Wolf, who wrote this book, has a podcast out there that I've seen multiple times because

00:40:14.160 people send it to me frequently, where he says atheism will be stamped out in America.

00:40:18.980 Well, what about Judaism?

00:40:20.040 What about Mormonism?

00:40:21.240 What about Buddhism?

00:40:22.660 What about, you know?

00:40:23.460 That is not American. 0.86

00:40:24.780 See, that's the deal.

00:40:26.160 Christian nationalism, if that describes him, then he's neither Christian nor American because

00:40:35.780 both of those go against Christianity and the American justice for all, freedom for all.

00:40:42.840 All men are created equal.

00:40:44.400 You can follow the dictate of your conscience.

00:40:48.020 Those things, they're in direct opposition to what most people who would be labeled a

00:40:56.520 Christian nationalist would agree with.

00:40:59.480 I don't agree with anything that he just said.

00:41:02.040 Right.

00:41:02.580 And like I said, this is probably a minority of the people that are part of the movement,

00:41:06.220 but the left doesn't need most people to believe the crazy stuff.

00:41:09.640 They need one person.

00:41:11.120 That's it.

00:41:11.860 Which is, they have plenty now.

00:41:14.080 And it's not even, by the way, that this isn't American.

00:41:17.180 If I might be so bold, it's not even Christian. 1.00

00:41:19.180 I mean, the idea, if I understand Christianity correctly, is that Jesus came, Jesus offered

00:41:23.400 his message, and Jesus is about, you come to me if you choose on your own volition.

00:41:28.760 This isn't about go out and force people to convert or stamp out this or that belief

00:41:32.860 or whatever else.

00:41:33.660 And what's happening is that people are justifiably and rightly frustrated.

00:41:39.260 They are demoralized.

00:41:41.300 They're afraid for their country, and they're starting to get desperate.

00:41:44.720 They're saying it's too late.

00:41:45.900 The Constitution's already dead.

00:41:47.940 The law is already captured.

00:41:49.440 We don't have any other options.

00:41:51.520 And I don't...

00:41:52.660 I'm not... 0.95

00:41:52.820 This is ridiculous.

00:41:54.420 I'm not a Christian, because everything but God, everything but God, have faith. 0.91

00:42:02.920 Raising someone from the dead, a little more difficult than bringing America back to its 0.97

00:42:11.520 sane place, not even its world standing, just where sanity and reason are once again followed.

00:42:19.540 That's not a big magic trick for God to do.

00:42:23.340 Raising dead, that's kind of a big thing.

00:42:25.780 What do you say we stop saying we're out of time, there's no hope, and start aligning

00:42:31.940 yourself with the actual principles of Christ and Christianity?

00:42:37.240 You know, I ask these fellows all the time, these Christian guys, I say, why do you doubt

00:42:41.160 God's timing?

00:42:41.980 If you have faith, why do you doubt God's timing?

00:42:44.000 The American people are waking up to this.

00:42:46.280 They're waking up to this now.

00:42:47.580 People have spoken about it for 30 years.

00:42:49.540 Some longer.

00:42:50.620 There are books from the early 1980s talking about this march through our institutions,

00:42:54.880 and people couldn't hear it or see it.

00:42:56.760 But now people are waking up fast.

00:42:58.920 They're understanding the ESG is kind of at the heart of something that's going on.

00:43:02.520 They understand that social emotional learning is the heart of the brainwashing happening

00:43:06.060 in our schools.

00:43:06.740 We're learning the targets.

00:43:08.180 We're learning what's going on.

00:43:09.360 We're learning it very quickly.

00:43:11.120 And we are actually, as you mentioned with the boycotts, we're willing to stand up and

00:43:14.840 take a stand.

00:43:15.340 Maybe we should trust in the timing of this because it's meant to be this way.

00:43:21.400 Maybe that's the case.

00:43:22.480 Na na na na na na na na.

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