The Glenn Beck Program - May 01, 2024


Best of the Program ｜ Guests： Rep. Thomas Massie & Stephen Hicks ｜ 5⧸1⧸24


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Glenn Beck is back on the radio talking about the latest in the hate crimes that are going on in America's colleges and universities. He also talks about the new hate laws in Scotland and Russell Brand's baptism.

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00:00:30.000 Quite a program today.
00:00:31.300 We have Thomas Massey on, talking a little bit about what's going to happen in Congress next week.
00:00:36.720 Agree or disagree, he is worth listening to on the reasons why he says that our new Speaker of the House,
00:00:45.100 ho, ho, he gotta go, he and Marjorie Taylor Greene are going to be doing that next week.
00:00:52.040 Need to listen to that.
00:00:53.040 Also, Neil Oliver is going to be talking to us about what's happening in Scotland with their new hate laws.
00:00:58.140 It's kind of hilarious.
00:00:59.240 And also Russell Brand and his baptism.
00:01:02.300 He's good friends with Russell Brand.
00:01:03.880 Stephen Hicks was on.
00:01:05.340 He is the philosophical or philosophy professor from Rockford University.
00:01:09.440 We continue on Alexander Dugan's dark definition of what modernity is and what he's really looking to do.
00:01:19.060 And, of course, we start at our colleges, universities.
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00:02:53.420 Okay.
00:02:54.120 I've got good news, and I have good news.
00:02:57.420 Where do you want to start, Stu?
00:02:59.520 Good news, Glenn.
00:03:00.900 I'm a big positive optimist.
00:03:02.820 I was hoping you were going to say the other choice, good news.
00:03:06.160 So, I disappointed you asking for good news.
00:03:08.360 Yeah, let me ask you.
00:03:09.260 Let me just read a thread to you, okay?
00:03:13.320 Today was a sad yet empowering day at Chapel Hill.
00:03:16.680 What was happening at Chapel Hill?
00:03:18.820 North Carolina.
00:03:20.660 Campus.
00:03:21.360 I mean, probably, you know, basketball tryouts for next year.
00:03:25.880 When I walked to class, I saw a Palestinian flag raised on our quad flagpole and was immediately
00:03:32.460 upset that the act of these protesters had made.
00:03:36.680 I cannot say I'm totally educated on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
00:03:40.800 Well, join the club.
00:03:42.720 Nobody protesting is really up on it either.
00:03:45.540 Isn't that like a rite of passage?
00:03:47.500 You must not know anything about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict before you walk on?
00:03:51.220 Um, but, uh, it upset me that my country's flag was disrespected in order to advocate
00:03:56.240 for another.
00:03:57.440 Shortly after, Chancellor Roberts came out with police officers to hang the flag once
00:04:01.340 again.
00:04:02.060 They were met with profanity, middle fingers, thrown bottles, rocks, and water.
00:04:06.780 Now, I don't know how you continue to be a student there if you're doing that.
00:04:12.780 I mean, I know these universities want the money, but they're getting so many taxpayer
00:04:18.900 dollars from us anyway.
00:04:20.600 They don't need the money.
00:04:22.380 I've been fascinated by the terminology.
00:04:25.140 These students that have broken into buildings and terrorized the campus may face suspension?
00:04:31.660 May?
00:04:32.100 May, I know.
00:04:32.780 Like, it's auto-expulsion.
00:04:35.580 Yeah, it would just be like, hey, guys, wrap it up.
00:04:38.360 Go home, because you're not a student here anymore.
00:04:41.380 Yeah, now you're just trespassing and you're not even a student.
00:04:43.600 Correct.
00:04:43.880 When the flag was raised once again, the Greek community began singing the national anthem.
00:04:48.900 As the Chancellor left, the Quad erupted into chaos.
00:04:52.400 No.
00:04:52.980 As protesters began removing the flag once again, preparing this time to destroy it.
00:04:58.120 My fraternity brothers and I ran over to hold it up in order to not let it touch the
00:05:03.020 ground.
00:05:03.800 People began throwing water bottles at us, rocks, sticks, calling us profane names.
00:05:08.760 We stood for an hour defending the flag so many fight to protect.
00:05:12.760 I mean, this is, I mean, in an insane way, this is kind of like, you know, that generation's 1.00
00:05:18.960 Iwo Jima, you know, where they're holding up the flag and they're being pelted with rocks
00:05:24.440 and bottles.
00:05:25.120 My parents started a new life in the United States, a country that has helped them flourish
00:05:31.760 and raise two kids.
00:05:33.080 I grew up in a military community and I saw firsthand the sacrifices they will make.
00:05:37.980 I will not stand for the disrespect of these protesters.
00:05:42.620 Wait, wait.
00:05:43.200 I will not stand for the disrespect these protesters for the sake of another country.
00:05:52.380 My LDOC, whatever that is, L-D-O-C, will be memorable in knowing that my fraternity brothers
00:05:59.120 and I fought to keep the flag up.
00:06:02.380 But also, it will be memorable in knowing that so many yearn to disrespect it.
00:06:08.540 Isn't that amazing?
00:06:09.100 Just amazing, I think.
00:06:13.060 Good news.
00:06:14.400 There are people on campuses that actually, you know, don't like the disrespect and everything
00:06:21.240 else that's going on.
00:06:22.620 I think that's good news.
00:06:23.740 Now, here's some more good news.
00:06:26.880 These guys are discrediting the left so rapidly.
00:06:32.320 80% of people are actually not for the Palestinian cause.
00:06:36.460 They're for the Israelis. 0.98
00:06:37.880 80% of Americans.
00:06:40.340 And Joe Biden and the Democrats are doing everything they can to empower these guys and everything
00:06:45.980 else.
00:06:46.500 It's not helping the Democrats.
00:06:49.260 Good news.
00:06:51.040 Let them burn themselves down.
00:06:53.760 Let them do it.
00:06:57.180 Because you get rare, rare moments of deep, deep satisfaction like this.
00:07:03.000 A clueless Columbia University protester who once worked for a lefty consulting firm hired
00:07:09.360 by Bill de Blasio demanded Tuesday that the school help get basic humanitarian aid such
00:07:16.800 as food and water to the anti-Israel rioters illegally occupying the campus building.
00:07:23.120 Like, could you please, please, could you help people have a glass of water, said the one
00:07:29.920 woman.
00:07:31.780 Do you want students to die of dehydration and starvation or get severely ill even if they
00:07:37.540 disagree with you?
00:07:38.580 Have you heard this audio?
00:07:40.180 You have to hear this back and forth.
00:07:41.780 Yeah.
00:07:41.800 We have it.
00:07:42.220 Let's play it.
00:07:42.920 This is clip one.
00:07:44.880 Why should the university be obligated to provide food to people who've taken over a building?
00:07:51.900 Well, first of all, we're saying that they're obligated to provide food to students who pay
00:07:56.800 for a meal plan here.
00:07:57.760 But you mentioned that there was a request that food and water be brought in.
00:08:01.200 Unless I misunderstood.
00:08:01.860 To allow it to be brought in.
00:08:03.120 I mean, well, I guess it's ultimately a question of what kind of community and obligation Columbia
00:08:07.800 feels it has to its students.
00:08:09.880 Do you want students to die of dehydration and starvation or get severely ill even if
00:08:15.180 they disagree with you?
00:08:16.460 If the answer is no, then you should allow basic.
00:08:19.340 I mean, it's crazy to say because we're on an Ivy League campus, but this is like basic
00:08:22.820 humanitarian aid we're asking for.
00:08:24.420 Like, could people please have a glass of water?
00:08:26.640 But they did put themselves in that very deliberately in that situation and in that position.
00:08:33.820 So it seems like you're sort of saying we want to be revolutionaries.
00:08:37.520 We want to take up this building.
00:08:39.200 Now, would you please bring us food and water?
00:08:41.660 Nobody's asking them to bring anything.
00:08:43.680 We're asking them to not violently stop us from bringing in basic humanitarian aid.
00:08:49.060 They're stopping the delivery of food?
00:08:51.240 We are looking for a commitment from them that they will not stop us.
00:08:54.960 They're not even doing it.
00:08:57.180 Well, I don't know to what extent it has been attempted, but we're looking for a commitment.
00:09:03.300 I mean, that is, first of all, the reporters are fantastic.
00:09:05.880 You want to be revolutionaries and you want to take over a building, but then you also
00:09:09.540 want them to bring you food?
00:09:10.820 Can somebody bring my Xbox?
00:09:12.420 This is so hard at night.
00:09:15.660 I just, we don't have anything to play.
00:09:18.980 We don't have anything to do.
00:09:21.120 I want my blankie.
00:09:22.940 Now, I also really appreciated the guy with the half shirt.
00:09:26.760 Oh, yeah.
00:09:27.240 In the background?
00:09:28.000 Yeah, I love that.
00:09:29.340 It's very nice.
00:09:29.880 It's very nice.
00:09:30.420 I have the exact same shirt.
00:09:32.080 Do you?
00:09:32.360 Oh, yeah.
00:09:32.780 I look really good at it, too.
00:09:35.620 I love, too, that they make it, you see how much of this stuff is fake.
00:09:41.220 Like, these people are sitting in a building.
00:09:43.940 None of them are going to die of dehydration.
00:09:46.560 No.
00:09:46.860 It's impossible.
00:09:47.820 It would never happen.
00:09:48.800 If they got to a place where they got to the point where they were like, oh, well,
00:09:52.020 God, they're needing medical attention.
00:09:53.100 They would come in and take them out and bring them to an ambulance, and they would get hydration.
00:09:58.020 Like, there's no chance of them dying.
00:10:00.520 Before you even get to the blindness stage, all you have to do is walk outside, go to,
00:10:07.880 you know, the ambulance or the medical tent.
00:10:10.820 You know, they said in, I can't remember which story it was, they were talking about campuses
00:10:15.260 and how the campuses and the protesters have set up medical tents.
00:10:22.880 Now, I don't think so.
00:10:26.260 I don't think that they, really?
00:10:28.400 The protesters, these protesters, bring us some water.
00:10:32.480 These people, you know, before we do anything, let's say, make sure we have medical aid and
00:10:38.120 let's have a tent and some paramedics there. 1.00
00:10:40.400 They didn't do that.
00:10:41.900 Right.
00:10:42.160 Who did it?
00:10:42.920 Who did it?
00:10:43.540 Who did it?
00:10:44.020 Who did it?
00:10:44.520 And again, these are young, healthy college students.
00:10:51.280 What the hell do they need a medical tent for when they all rape each other, which is always 1.00
00:10:55.940 how these things end?
00:10:56.940 Is that, is that what we're talking about?
00:10:58.940 After the rapes, they want to have. 0.98
00:11:01.060 Please, America.
00:11:01.940 Please, conservatives.
00:11:04.160 Just let this go.
00:11:05.920 Let it go.
00:11:06.580 Just let it keep building.
00:11:07.260 Just let it keep building.
00:11:08.540 Let it keep building.
00:11:10.080 Oh.
00:11:11.320 You know, I'd like to.
00:11:12.500 Because I'm.
00:11:13.380 Just for entertainment purposes.
00:11:14.280 You know what my.
00:11:15.200 Oh, oh, please.
00:11:16.600 For election purposes, too.
00:11:18.060 This is killing the Democrats.
00:11:20.840 Yeah.
00:11:21.000 This is killing the Democrats.
00:11:22.960 You want this?
00:11:24.400 Have at it.
00:11:25.620 You have the option.
00:11:26.980 It's right here for you.
00:11:28.160 Yeah.
00:11:28.260 You'd like to have a society with no rules, no laws, no civilization.
00:11:33.780 I mean, look at the aftermath of these things.
00:11:35.820 They've just, they're destroying these places.
00:11:38.700 It's, it's how every left-wing protest ends, right?
00:11:41.440 Garbage everywhere.
00:11:43.080 Victims everywhere. 0.86
00:11:44.900 I mean, it is a disgusting display that is so very typical of how these things go.
00:11:51.480 So, you know, it's really interesting.
00:11:53.700 If you look at the assassinations, you know, of presidents, always comes from one side.
00:11:59.540 Always really comes from one side.
00:12:01.740 You know, you have, well, Abraham Lincoln.
00:12:05.040 He certainly wasn't a Republican.
00:12:07.840 The assassin, you mean?
00:12:08.840 Yeah.
00:12:09.260 Yeah.
00:12:09.540 He was definitely not a Republican.
00:12:13.160 John Wilkes Booth.
00:12:14.100 Yes.
00:12:14.420 Not a, not a big, he wasn't a MAGA guy.
00:12:17.120 Right.
00:12:17.320 You don't think at the time?
00:12:18.220 No.
00:12:18.600 No.
00:12:18.720 And then you have Garfield.
00:12:20.680 Was it Garfield was next?
00:12:22.980 Garfield was shot by one of his own supporters.
00:12:28.600 The other president that I don't even remember what his name is, McKinley.
00:12:33.280 He was shot by a lefty, a communist.
00:12:38.720 Then who's next on the hit parade? 0.98
00:12:41.040 Well, then you have John F. Kennedy, who was shot either by the CIA or by a lefty.
00:12:51.240 Then you have RFK shot by a Palestinian. 1.00
00:12:57.140 Oh, I forgot the attempt on Harry Truman's life, which was two Palestinians that tried 1.00
00:13:04.320 to shoot him.
00:13:05.360 Then Ford, you have Squeaky Fromm.
00:13:08.120 Come on.
00:13:08.880 You think she was conservative?
00:13:11.160 Lots of conservatives named Squeaky.
00:13:13.200 Right.
00:13:13.580 It's a big, it's a big, right.
00:13:15.020 John Hinckley.
00:13:16.040 He was just nuts.
00:13:18.040 But almost all of them come from the left.
00:13:20.920 Almost all of them come from the left.
00:13:23.120 What do you expect?
00:13:25.520 This leftist movement is all about destruction.
00:13:30.080 I'm torn on your take here on this, because while I agree that it is fun to watch the left
00:13:38.140 eat their own, that is an entertaining prospect.
00:13:41.860 No, I'm offering this as a political strategy.
00:13:45.120 I do worry about long-term effects here.
00:13:52.680 I feel like we are going down a road that might not be easy to reverse.
00:13:58.240 So I am a little concerned.
00:13:59.960 But I would like the left to pay the price for this.
00:14:04.500 Why wouldn't I run in and rescue them?
00:14:06.240 The only thing, the only bad part about this is the damage that's being done to Jews. 0.96
00:14:12.360 That's what I mean.
00:14:12.960 This is a big, you know, this is a big part of this.
00:14:16.200 It's not just, it's not just some silly, you know, climate protest, right?
00:14:19.400 Like we're talking about a growing movement that is, and we have the polling, 20% of the
00:14:26.820 population agrees with Hamas. 0.61
00:14:29.720 No, I know.
00:14:30.340 We are in a, that's a really serious problem for a nation to have.
00:14:34.540 So I am concerned about it, but I also see what you're saying here, and it will be entertaining
00:14:39.360 to watch them eat their own.
00:14:40.440 So they defaced a statue of George Washington at George Washington University.
00:14:46.720 They spray painted genocidal warmongering university.
00:14:52.180 Now, I don't know why you were attending that school, if that's what you thought that school
00:14:58.940 was.
00:14:59.760 You know, where are you going to go to school?
00:15:01.380 Well, I want to go to the genocidal warmongering one.
00:15:06.220 What?
00:15:06.960 Yeah.
00:15:07.940 Okay.
00:15:08.440 Well, you're probably shouldn't be on campus, but they covered it with-
00:15:12.340 You think there are people that are actually going to the school?
00:15:14.060 I do think that there's a lot of these people that have nothing to do with the school.
00:15:17.020 Yeah, I think so too.
00:15:17.920 These activists that you'd see at every other mostly peaceful bonfire.
00:15:22.100 They spray painted and they put stickers all over the statue of Washington.
00:15:30.520 End the genocide, free Palestine. 0.96
00:15:35.020 The students united will never be divided.
00:15:38.500 I mean, unless you're a little rumbly and you're tumbly.
00:15:41.800 And anti-fascist action.
00:15:46.080 Okay.
00:15:46.660 Right.
00:15:46.920 Oh, and then the pink stickers that read, rise, love, resist.
00:15:52.760 Oh, so inspiring.
00:15:54.880 I just love it.
00:15:55.820 That's why I really love that clip that we played just a minute ago, is that this is such
00:15:59.540 a playbook, right?
00:16:01.240 Like, this is such a checklist of things to say and things to demand and stickers to put
00:16:08.480 up and different protests to do.
00:16:10.120 Like, she's asked these questions and she's saying, like, well, what we need is basic
00:16:14.360 humanitarian aid.
00:16:15.680 That's what you say, like, in Gaza, right?
00:16:19.740 You don't say that at Columbia University in the middle of Manhattan, right?
00:16:23.900 Like, that's not a legitimate way of talking about what's going on here.
00:16:30.000 But they constantly say the exact same things because they have this playbook and they have
00:16:35.580 this checklist and the media eats it up.
00:16:38.120 Well, if you're, I mean, if you're going to Columbia, according to the oppressor-oppressed 0.74
00:16:43.540 kind of, you know, battle, you are the definition of the oppressor, okay?
00:16:51.400 You're the elite.
00:16:53.640 So, I don't know what you're, I don't know what you're thinking about.
00:16:56.520 It's so weird.
00:16:57.040 And they all try to claim the opposite side of that.
00:16:59.480 You know, this is the same thing that happened with Ilhan Omar's kid, you know, who came out 0.59
00:17:03.920 and was saying she was homeless and starving.
00:17:05.820 It's like, your mom makes $200,000 a year just in Congress, let alone what she makes
00:17:11.640 from Maroon 5 music videos.
00:17:13.420 God only knows.
00:17:15.300 So, like, it's legitimately, like, what on earth are we talking about here?
00:17:19.540 None of this makes any sense.
00:17:21.040 And the media keeps taking it seriously.
00:17:23.020 Luckily, these reporters at this one press conference stepped up and started asking basic
00:17:27.900 questions that any human being would ask in this situation.
00:17:30.560 So, wait a minute.
00:17:30.960 Well, you guys put yourself in there.
00:17:32.360 You can walk out at any moment.
00:17:34.540 There's a hot dog stand right there.
00:17:36.480 I think this is, I think this is great.
00:17:38.940 And it leads me to a statement I never, ever, ever thought I would make.
00:17:44.340 Wow.
00:17:44.800 Mm-hmm.
00:17:46.120 These people make me like or have more respect for hippies.
00:17:52.480 Really?
00:17:53.160 Wow.
00:17:53.960 I mean, because you look at these guys and you're like, I mean, at least the hippies, you know,
00:17:58.700 people actually knew what they were standing for.
00:18:02.460 I mean, at least the hippies.
00:18:03.700 Maybe, yeah.
00:18:04.300 You know?
00:18:04.700 I mean, go back to the Weather Underground days, though.
00:18:06.740 I mean, they weren't all so, they weren't all the...
00:18:09.540 Those weren't hippies.
00:18:10.440 Those were Marxists.
00:18:12.760 Marxist hippies.
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00:19:44.040 This is the best of the Glenn Beck Program.
00:19:48.100 Welcome back to the program, Professor Stephen Hicks.
00:19:51.560 How are you, sir?
00:19:53.140 Well, glad to be back.
00:19:54.820 Thanks for having me.
00:19:55.760 Thank you.
00:19:56.380 So, yesterday we talked kind of about the political side of Alexander Dugan and why he
00:20:03.940 is dangerous.
00:20:05.160 Today I want to talk about his mixing of religion and what he believes about the Russian Empire
00:20:13.140 and what he believes about the end of the world.
00:20:18.080 Hmm.
00:20:19.280 Yeah.
00:20:20.120 I think the first big question is going to be a philosophical question.
00:20:23.540 He's a philosopher.
00:20:25.140 He's also a political strategist.
00:20:27.280 And the question always is when religion comes up is, what does this person think the nature
00:20:35.140 of religion is?
00:20:36.500 Now, clearly he's endorsing religion, but to get inside his head, there's always a question,
00:20:42.840 does he think the religion is true?
00:20:45.220 That his particular package of religion accurately is the way the world is.
00:20:50.580 There's a certain kind of God or gods and spiritual forces, and they provide moral guidance,
00:20:55.500 and we need to take those into account in our personal lives and use them for politics.
00:21:00.000 So, does he think religion is a matter of truth?
00:21:02.960 And the second thing for many philosophers and political strategists is not that they think
00:21:09.540 that religion is true, but they think that it is useful, that it pushes people's psychological
00:21:16.200 buttons, that it's useful as a social pacifying, as a social mobilizing force, and that the philosopher
00:21:24.540 does not think that it's true per se, but that it's necessary or that it's pragmatically
00:21:30.220 functional in order to achieve certain social and political ends.
00:21:35.080 So, there's a long history of philosophers and political strategists who are actually
00:21:40.560 atheist or agnostic, but nonetheless, they are endorsing religion strongly.
00:21:45.880 Correct.
00:21:46.660 So, I would put Dugan, I'm guessing Dugan is in the second category that he looks at it
00:21:52.780 as useful.
00:21:54.260 I just don't get a sense that he actually buys into this stuff, or does he?
00:21:58.600 No, no, I think that's right.
00:21:59.800 Now, he was, you know, baptized in the Eastern or the Russian Orthodox Church when he was
00:22:04.020 a child.
00:22:05.620 But when I read through Dugan and I listen to him, I don't get the sense that he is
00:22:10.560 personally a true believer.
00:22:13.640 Okay.
00:22:13.920 So, I think that for him, it is a matter of saying, for the Russians in particular, with
00:22:20.440 their religious history and the on average low state of, this sounds like an insult, but
00:22:27.920 the low state of intellectual accomplishment among the broad Russian masses, and also the
00:22:34.720 particular nature of the Eastern Orthodox and Russian Orthodox in particular, of taking
00:22:40.580 seriously the submission element and the unthinking obedience to higher authority, that that is
00:22:49.680 baked into Russia's historical religious culture.
00:22:54.060 And so, what one needs as a political strategist, if you're trying to mobilize all of Russia 0.52
00:23:00.400 for a certain end, is going to be a certain kind of religion.
00:23:04.520 You can't just, you know, for example, say, hey, everybody, be rational, be scientific, be
00:23:09.800 technological, think of yourself as a free agent entrepreneur, and so forth.
00:23:14.060 That kind of ideology is not going to work for Russia.
00:23:16.880 So, you need to use a certain kind of unifying force, and that's going to be a certain kind
00:23:22.220 of religion.
00:23:24.080 So, I do think that primarily the religion for Dugan is pragmatic, not a matter of truth.
00:23:31.240 Now, when you say that, though, he seems to be a big proponent of the end of days.
00:23:38.860 Bring Jesus back.
00:23:40.100 Let's wash the world in blood.
00:23:41.480 Let's, you know, let's work with the Muslims, and especially the Shiite 12ers in Iran, because 1.00
00:23:48.060 they believe the same thing.
00:23:49.280 We can hasten the return of the promised one, so we can get to work on a new world order.
00:23:53.900 Does he believe that?
00:23:56.080 And that also is his partly outreach to Western advocates of, some Western advocates of religion,
00:24:03.200 right, who find those themes attractive as well.
00:24:05.980 Now, at the same time, there are those who advocate religion because it's true, those who 0.99
00:24:10.940 advocate it because it's pragmatic.
00:24:12.440 I think there's another element that's important for Dugan, and that, I think, is that religion
00:24:17.360 often serves aesthetic functions, that people are not necessarily believing that it's true,
00:24:24.700 but they like the idea of the occult, the mysterious, the slightly strange.
00:24:30.880 You know, they like kind of the astrological significance and all of the magic symbols and magic numbers.
00:24:39.820 And an important part of Dugan's personal history is that when he was in his 20s, he was extraordinarily
00:24:46.180 attracted to and into all kinds of occult, neo-pagan religions.
00:24:53.380 What a surprise.
00:24:55.540 Sorry?
00:24:56.340 What a surprise.
00:24:57.240 Well, right.
00:24:59.360 And so in this case, almost always the attraction, again, is not truth or promise, but it's a deeply
00:25:05.080 personal aesthetic.
00:25:07.360 They like the feeling of being in a certain kind of drama, a certain kind of conflict and
00:25:15.360 imagining themselves.
00:25:16.340 So if you think about why we play the video games, why we go to the movies and we get swept up in a world that we know is an artificial world, but we get the psychic experience of being in this great drama of good guys versus bad guys.
00:25:35.440 The fate of the fate of the world is at stake and literally in video games, you can blow the world up or in Hollywood movies, the world can be blown up or be on the brink of Armageddon.
00:25:47.080 And it's very, very exciting to you personally.
00:25:51.060 So it is, I think, have you read, have you read Hitler's monsters?
00:25:55.100 No.
00:25:57.380 Oh, you should.
00:25:58.300 You would love it.
00:25:59.480 It's all about, it's deep, deep research.
00:26:02.680 It's more of a, much more of a scholarly read on all of the elements in, that led to Hitler and that Hitler then used.
00:26:15.400 And it's, it's, it's, it's very reminiscent of what you were just saying about the mysticism and the cult and the, the darkness of it.
00:26:23.780 And this, the feeling that maybe there's extra magic powers out there.
00:26:28.160 Exactly.
00:26:28.840 Exactly.
00:26:29.560 So when we turn to Dugan, I think it's, it's, it's got to be then a mix of those that, you know, personally for him, he likes that world.
00:26:38.240 He likes the drama of it, but at the same time, he's largely a clear-eyed geopolitical strategic philosopher as well.
00:26:47.400 And he recognizes the, the psychological and the social power that religion has and sees it as a, a necessary tool for, for his ambitions there.
00:26:57.640 So before we go to his work in the Middle East, which I think is, is frightening, when he says that we are the great Satan.
00:27:10.000 We being the U.S.
00:27:11.460 The U.S.
00:27:12.180 Or the, or the West more broadly, yes.
00:27:16.120 What, is he just using that language to speak to those who are religious in nature?
00:27:24.660 Does he believe that?
00:27:25.860 No, I think it's, I think in that case, it's both.
00:27:29.480 For him personally, right, he does see liberalism, the West.
00:27:33.880 And then if you scale out the, the entire philosophical tradition that draws upon the Greek and Roman inheritance, he does think of that as false and as immoral.
00:27:46.460 But I do think when he uses the Satan language, it's slightly metaphorical for him personally.
00:27:51.360 But as a propaganda message, when you are trying to rally the troops, so to speak, to speak to the broad masses of Russians, you are using language that they understand.
00:28:04.280 And those people are largely religious in a certain sort, and they understand the world in a great dualistic good versus evil struggle.
00:28:13.020 And it's useful for them to get them fired up, to have the enemy be identified, not just in abstract philosophical terms as sinful, as evil, as decadent, and so forth.
00:28:27.420 But in more personalized terms, they are the tool of Satan or the embodiment of Satan.
00:28:33.820 So let's go to what his work in the Middle East, and in particular, Iran.
00:28:42.880 You know, I've, I've watched the 12ers, the people who believe in the 12, the mom's going to crawl out of a well and yada, yada.
00:28:49.940 And many of the leaders, I know Mahmoud Ahmadinejad started every speech and ended every speech with,
00:28:56.980 Oh Allah, give me the courage to hasten the return of the promised one.
00:29:03.180 That is exactly the language of Alexander Dugan.
00:29:08.040 What's the chicken and what's the egg, and what do they both have in common?
00:29:11.840 So you can approach this historically and say that all of the, you know, the three great Western religions have a common source.
00:29:21.160 And that historically, this has been a recurring deep theme in all three of them, but it comes out in differentiated, differentiated forms.
00:29:31.040 So, you know, some Western Christians have it, some versions of Judaism have it, many versions of contemporary and historical Islam have it as well.
00:29:40.060 So what is, you use the chicken and egg metaphor.
00:29:45.000 So what is the, another metaphor is, is this just to say, what is the, you know, the historical mother load that is redounding down through the ages and Dugan is just currently tapping into it.
00:29:59.440 So what do they have in common, Russia and Iran?
00:30:05.880 Well, both have a common enemy.
00:30:07.900 So the, the enemy of your enemy is your friend.
00:30:11.240 In this case, the Iranians will also say the West is the great Senate, Satan, it's enemy number one. 0.89
00:30:18.340 And Dugan and from his Russian perspective wants to say the same thing.
00:30:23.940 So then you make a strategic decision right now, ethnically and religiously, Iran and Russia are enemies.
00:30:34.160 But what's the more important enemy?
00:30:36.920 And from both of their perspective, the more important enemy is the West, economically, politically, culturally, and so forth.
00:30:44.260 So you're willing to overlook important ethnic differences and important religious differences to concentrate on the more pressing battle, which is to defeat the West right now. 0.87
00:30:55.740 This is the best of the Glenn Beck podcast.
00:31:00.760 It's a compilation of clips from various episodes.
00:31:03.060 If you want to dig deeper into this interview, check out the full podcast episode.
00:31:06.800 You can say a lot of things about Thomas Massey, some of true, some of false.
00:31:12.420 But the one thing that is absolutely true, he stands on his own principles and he is unwavering in those principles.
00:31:20.500 He joins us now from the great state of Kentucky, Republican representative Thomas Massey.
00:31:27.800 Hello, Thomas.
00:31:29.040 How are you doing, Glenn?
00:31:30.140 I'm very good.
00:31:30.900 I'm very good.
00:31:31.380 I don't understand this whole Mike Johnson thing as Speaker of the House.
00:31:37.240 I don't understand what happened to him, how we went so wrong.
00:31:42.580 You know, people are saying that, oh, this has been a scam forever.
00:31:46.340 He's been, you know, a rhino and just in hiding.
00:31:50.140 And now getting rid of him at this point, what good is that going to do?
00:31:54.740 Or even moving for this?
00:31:56.240 Because do you have the numbers to do it?
00:32:00.320 Great question.
00:32:01.380 Let me talk about how we got to where we are.
00:32:05.140 So Mike Johnson has betrayed us three times, big betrayals.
00:32:09.960 He did an omnibus bill that spends more than Nancy Pelosi's omnibus bills did.
00:32:14.420 And he gave the FBI a brand new building in that omnibus bill.
00:32:17.860 And he didn't give us time to read it.
00:32:19.680 He gave up on doing 12 separate bills.
00:32:22.040 That was the first betrayal.
00:32:23.740 Second betrayal, FISA.
00:32:25.620 This is the spying program that's been used to surveil Americans without a warrant.
00:32:30.860 He cast the deciding vote on whether to have warrants or not.
00:32:35.880 And he voted against warrants.
00:32:37.880 This is against what he stood for when he was on the Judiciary Committee that I serve on with Jim Jordan.
00:32:43.860 So something has changed there.
00:32:46.240 He said he spent time in a skiff that changed his mind.
00:32:49.120 Guess what, Glenn?
00:32:49.720 I don't know if your listeners know this.
00:32:51.260 I spent three and a half hours in the same skiff with him, getting briefed by CIA, NSA, DOD, FBI, DNI, and a FISA judge.
00:33:00.600 And in three and a half hours, they didn't give us a specific example, not one, of how spying on Americans without a warrant has helped them stop terrorism.
00:33:11.280 They gave hypotheticals, but no example.
00:33:14.040 So that was the second betrayal.
00:33:16.120 No warrants.
00:33:17.660 Now you can still be spied on.
00:33:19.300 It's reauthorized.
00:33:20.060 Third betrayal just happened.
00:33:23.260 This one we're still stinging from because you may have seen the videos that every Democrat in the House voted for money for Ukraine and then premeditated, passed out Ukrainian flags.
00:33:33.280 We're all waving them and basically humiliating us.
00:33:36.220 And I think Speaker Johnson, if he's capable of having shame at this point, should have been humiliated by that display as well.
00:33:43.800 I put the video of that on Twitter, and the sergeant at arms told me it would fine me $500 if I didn't take it down.
00:33:50.760 So I reposted it.
00:33:55.480 Because, look, you're not supposed to put video of what's happening on the floor, but that was video of things that were breaking decorum, right?
00:34:03.720 I was trying to provide evidence that they were in the wrong, and instead of prosecuting them, they came after me.
00:34:09.680 Of course.
00:34:09.980 Now, we got 8 million views on the video after I reposted it, and Speaker Johnson backed down on that fine because he knew how bad it looked.
00:34:17.300 So third betrayal was that Ukrainian vote where we send the money overseas.
00:34:23.040 We gave up all leverage on any border security.
00:34:26.380 It included some other bad stuff in it.
00:34:28.740 Let's talk about the $4 billion to help people from the Middle East immigrate here to the United States, including Palestinians.
00:34:40.460 Are you nuts?
00:34:42.460 Yeah, and see, Mike Johnson's not going to stand up against that.
00:34:45.960 By the way, those three bills that I just mentioned to you, you know what happened when they went to the Senate after they passed the House?
00:34:52.580 Chuck Schumer didn't even change the punctuation of any of those bills.
00:34:57.140 He didn't want any amendments to them.
00:34:59.740 He wanted them exactly as Mike Johnson had delivered from the House because those were Chuck Schumer's bills that Mike Johnson put on the floor.
00:35:08.340 So he is already in the arms of the Uniparty. 0.99
00:35:11.740 The question that you rightfully ask is why do this?
00:35:15.560 Well, people are always asking me, Thomas, can you show us, can you give us a list of the good guys and the bad guys?
00:35:23.300 Can you tell me who the good guys are because I've got a primary, I've got a vote in, I've got a general election.
00:35:28.520 Tell me the list.
00:35:29.420 This list, you will have another list.
00:35:33.000 We keep doing this at great peril to ourselves.
00:35:35.700 The reason there's only a few of us who are willing to stand up and call this is because you put your reputation on the line,
00:35:43.860 and people here hate transparency and they hate us for doing it, but you'll have a list next week when the motion to vacate is called of who went with Hakeem Jeffries and the Uniparty to keep Mike Johnson in power.
00:35:58.280 Hakeem Jeffries, the reason he's supporting Mike Johnson, he got everything the Democrats want without any of the blowback by having Mike Johnson as speaker.
00:36:07.580 And they also, they have some plans for other things, like they may resettle Palestinian refugees in the United States and pay for it.
00:36:16.760 They may want to make the funding for Ukraine permanent.
00:36:20.880 And before our next election, there's going to be another CR or omnibus or something.
00:36:26.080 That deadline's September 30th.
00:36:27.880 So there's some people are like, well, why would you do this now, Congressman Massey?
00:36:32.080 Hasn't all the bad stuff, hasn't Mike already done all the bad stuff to us?
00:36:35.740 Can't we just sit it out through the next election?
00:36:38.760 No, because what Hakeem Jeffries wants more than anything is to be the speaker.
00:36:44.040 And the only way he becomes the speaker is by getting the majority of the House in November.
00:36:49.120 And he knows Mike Johnson is the most uninspiring speaker we've ever had who will not do anything to inspire a base.
00:36:55.140 We're likely to lose, most likely to lose the majority under Speaker Johnson.
00:36:59.320 So what would the plan be if you could get this to pass?
00:37:07.700 I mean, well, first of all, let me ask you, how many other Freedom Caucus members are standing with you?
00:37:15.660 Well, I think before Hakeem Jeffries came out for Speaker Johnson, there were probably somewhere between 12 and 20 who didn't want to speak up, but would have voted with us.
00:37:25.960 Now, I think you may have maybe the entire Freedom Caucus.
00:37:30.640 We'll see.
00:37:32.000 I know people outside of the Freedom Caucus who said if one Democrat votes to keep Mike Johnson, I ain't voting to keep him because they know what that means.
00:37:42.740 That means it's the uniparty. Now, the first vote will be on a motion to table to try and prevent this from even coming up for an actual vote.
00:37:53.360 But people should understand that that motion to table, if they succeed, that is the only vote that will happen.
00:38:00.640 And then that is your list there.
00:38:02.380 Those are the people who saved Mike Johnson, which Hakeem Jeffries and all the Democratic leadership say they'll do it.
00:38:08.480 And some of the Democrat rank and file, there are some Republicans who said they'll vote to table.
00:38:14.460 But that will be the vote.
00:38:16.300 Now, if we could succeed, OK, if we can get past that motion to table and maybe Hakeem Jeffries has only 40 Democrats who are willing to walk the plank,
00:38:26.460 because I can imagine that's going to be tough for them in their primaries unless they're planning on retiring.
00:38:31.000 Could you imagine you saved the Christian speaker who is against abortion and all this other stuff?
00:38:38.820 And what's this? Anyways, so I don't I'm not sure how many votes Hakeem has, but I think he helped us grow our numbers.
00:38:46.000 Let's say we make it past that first vote and there is a motion to vacate and Mike Johnson is vacated.
00:38:51.560 At that point, who would we elect?
00:38:55.340 Well, we would like for Mike Johnson to avoid the scenario I just described.
00:39:00.700 We're giving him a weekend to resign.
00:39:02.920 If he would announce that he's leaving like John Boehner did in 10 weeks and he won't be offended as we have votes to replace him while he's still the speaker,
00:39:12.000 we could go without ever not having a speaker.
00:39:15.040 We could keep doing subpoenas in the Judiciary Committee.
00:39:17.640 We can hold hearings and we can pass all these wonderful little messaging bills that they love to pass.
00:39:23.040 But if that doesn't happen, we have to elect a speaker.
00:39:25.900 We'll be on the spot.
00:39:27.100 I think there are a dozen people in the GOP conference who have something in their prior life,
00:39:32.320 whether it was political experience or private experience, that qualifies them for the job.
00:39:36.800 Mike Johnson is a lost ball in tall weeds.
00:39:39.360 I don't I don't think there's some conspiracy where they've got kids locked up in the basement or something like that.
00:39:44.880 I don't think they've got info on him or blackmail material.
00:39:48.780 I just don't think he can do the job.
00:39:50.500 There's nothing in his life prepared him for it.
00:39:52.620 Let's find somebody who can.
00:39:54.480 And hopefully I'll inspire people to keep us in the majority, because even if Hakeem Jeffries bails Mike Johnson out next week,
00:40:01.500 they're not going to bail him out in January.
00:40:03.740 We know he is a lame duck speaker.
00:40:06.180 He knows it.
00:40:07.380 Let's get him out of there before he causes any more mischief.
00:40:10.100 What did McCarthy do better than Johnson?
00:40:15.560 Oh, that's a great question.
00:40:17.500 Under McCarthy, we did seven of the 12 bills.
00:40:21.000 OK, there's 12 separate bills.
00:40:22.500 He said, we won't do an omnibus.
00:40:24.240 We'll do seven of the 12.
00:40:25.480 We got seven of the 12 done.
00:40:27.420 We had a thousand amendments.
00:40:29.140 I'm on the rules committee.
00:40:30.380 We got votes on a thousand amendments to allow rank and file members to participate in the legislative process.
00:40:36.440 When Mike Johnson came on board, he did two or three CRs.
00:40:40.520 He ignored the seven bills that we had done.
00:40:42.580 He made no effort to do the other five.
00:40:44.760 And he said, you're going to get a two part omnibus.
00:40:47.060 That was the bad thing.
00:40:48.720 The second thing.
00:40:50.620 Well, Kevin McCarthy could have cut a deal with the Democrats and could have been speaker still now.
00:40:56.700 He said, I'm not going to do it.
00:40:58.700 That the position is not that important to me that we will make a uniparty here and share power.
00:41:04.940 So that's another thing that Mike Johnson has expressed a willingness to do that Kevin wouldn't do.
00:41:10.700 And then finally, as a part of the debt limit deal this last summer, Kevin extracted from Joe Biden and Chuck Schumer.
00:41:19.720 This is signed into law.
00:41:20.940 It's still law that if you do a CR and it goes past April 30th, basically halfway through the fiscal year, there's a 1% cut to everything.
00:41:31.720 And Kevin secured that from Joe Biden.
00:41:33.980 And Mike Johnson had had three choices on the spending bills when he came into office.
00:41:39.360 He could have either used the 1% cut option.
00:41:42.040 He could have worked on the five other bills or he could have done an omnibus.
00:41:45.140 He did the omnibus.
00:41:46.480 He actually should have done the 1% cut option that Kevin had secured at great, you know, and spent a lot of political capital on getting that provision in law.
00:41:56.320 So those are three things that Kevin did that Mike didn't.
00:41:59.940 And Kevin, you know, he put three of us on the rules committee that gave us a blocking position, Chip Roy, Ralph Norman, and myself.
00:42:07.140 And we used that for good.
00:42:08.620 We forced the 72-hour rule for the entire time Kevin was speaker.
00:42:12.800 That's another thing Mike Johnson threw out the window.
00:42:14.940 You don't always get three days to read a bill now.
00:42:18.400 He's overriding his own rules committee.
00:42:20.780 And he's going with Democrats to do it.
00:42:23.760 Do you think this was, you know, I read someplace that, you know, this was planned from the beginning.
00:42:29.220 He's been lying in wait trying to pretend that he was part of the Freedom Caucus for years.
00:42:35.080 Do you believe that?
00:42:37.560 Yeah.
00:42:38.480 You know what really confused me is the readiness with which sort of the big spenders in Washington, D.C.
00:42:47.820 were accepted Mike Johnson as a valid speaker candidate after defeating Jim Jordan multiple times.
00:42:55.540 They found Jim Jordan unsuitable, but they found this junior member very suitable to the job who had no experience, you know,
00:43:03.340 had never been a chairman, didn't have much staff.
00:43:05.920 And I think at that point they got some assurance from Mike Johnson that he or some feeling that Mike Johnson would be a good guy to carry the water for the establishment here in D.C.
00:43:16.940 And that's exactly what he's done.
00:43:19.840 Well, Thomas, when do you file?
00:43:22.960 This is Monday.
00:43:24.820 Probably what will happen is we'll file Monday.
00:43:28.400 Speaker Johnson, because it's a privileged resolution, the only thing that has higher privilege is motion.
00:43:33.340 So he will have two days, two legislative days to bring it up.
00:43:38.640 So if we file it on Monday, the vote will either be Monday immediately or Tuesday or Wednesday.
00:43:44.700 And if we file it on Tuesday, it would be either Tuesday, Wednesday or Thursday would be the vote.
00:43:49.280 You don't believe that he's going to back away, though.
00:43:52.640 I mean, you put this or Marjorie Taylor Greene did.
00:43:55.360 She put this in line to be brought up as kind of a threat.
00:43:58.660 Hey, we're we're thinking about doing this.
00:44:00.680 Don't push us.
00:44:01.500 And he did it anyway.
00:44:03.680 That's right.
00:44:04.420 So he called the bluff and we're calling the bluff and we're going to have this vote.
00:44:09.760 What I hope, Glenn, is that our conference chair, our whip and our majority floor leader would go to Mike Johnson.
00:44:18.920 We exhibit the leadership that we put them on that team to exhibit and say, Mike, it's it's over.
00:44:25.440 It's just not worth what you're doing.
00:44:27.940 You're going and and partnering with Hakeem Jeffries and the minority whip and the minority conference chair.
00:44:34.080 We can't do that.
00:44:35.300 So I'd like to see them go convince Mike Johnson as a team.
00:44:38.900 It's time for him to step aside.
00:44:40.840 He could still do that.
00:44:42.280 And I know as improbable as it sounds and as resolved as Mike Johnson seems when he goes to the podium.
00:44:47.360 That's exactly how John Boehner was until the five minutes he took to resign.
00:44:53.220 Thomas, I know we only got about a minute left, but if the concern is that, you know, Johnson will work with Jeffries when he's put up against a wall and do these things.
00:45:03.180 If if you go forward with this, you're making Johnson's political life dependent on Hakeem Jeffries saving him.
00:45:10.720 I mean, couldn't this potentially just make all of this worse?
00:45:13.000 It's very painful to expose this.
00:45:16.640 I think what we are illuminating, I don't think we're causing him to go in that direction.
00:45:22.040 We're illuminating what actually exists in Washington, D.C. and why you don't get the results you want.
00:45:27.420 It's because he's already in league with Chuck Schumer, Mitch McConnell and Hakeem Jeffries.
00:45:34.120 And we're just illuminating what would be otherwise, I believe.
00:45:39.680 Thomas, God bless you.
00:45:41.320 Thank you for standing up for your principles, whether people agree or disagree with with, you know, you and your stance.
00:45:48.160 I will tell you that I have a lot of respect for somebody who will take the heat because they won't sit down on their principles.
00:45:55.860 Thank you.
00:45:57.100 Well, thanks, Glenn.
00:45:58.120 And even people say this is a lost cause.
00:46:00.540 You shouldn't do it.
00:46:01.600 People didn't elect us to give up.
00:46:03.360 People elected us to try.
00:46:04.740 And that's what we're doing.
00:46:05.920 Thank you so much.
00:46:06.780 Appreciate it.
00:46:07.280 Nanananana.