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00:02:22.140 Okay, let's say hello to Stu and also to Jason Buttrill, and let me start here.

00:02:34.740 Yesterday, the president said something I thought a little shocking in the press conference.

00:02:40.360 While he was in a press conference with Pam Bondi, it was not a press conference.

00:02:43.740 It was a cabinet meeting.

00:02:46.060 And by the way, this press conference lasted about two hours, which is longer than I believe

00:02:50.880 all of the cabinet meetings that Joe Biden held over four years, all of them combined.

00:02:59.080 I think just the press conference in that cabinet room was longer.

00:03:02.660 But he starts out, and one of the first questions is about Epstein and goes to Pam Bondi.

00:03:09.600 And the president stops, dead in tracks.

00:03:12.560 And do we have the audio, please?

00:03:14.800 Here's what he said.

00:03:15.780 James, Jeffrey Epstein, it left some lingering mysteries.

00:03:19.580 One of the biggest ones is whether he ever worked for an American or foreign intelligence

00:03:25.320 agency.

00:03:26.580 The former labor secretary who was Miami U.S. attorney, Alex Costa, he allegedly said that

00:03:33.940 he did work for an intelligence agency.

00:03:36.000 So could you resolve whether or not he did?

00:03:38.160 And also, could you say why there was a minute missing from the jailhouse tape on the night

00:03:42.160 of the Senate?

00:03:42.400 Yeah, sure.

00:03:43.080 If I could.

00:03:43.260 Could I just interrupt for a second?

00:03:44.760 Sure.

00:03:46.020 Are you still talking about Jeffrey Epstein?

00:03:48.740 This guy's been talked about for years.

00:03:51.220 You're asking, we have Texas, we have this, we have all of the things.

00:03:56.220 And are people still talking about this guy, this creep?

00:04:00.200 That is unbelievable.

00:04:03.100 Do you want to waste the time?

00:04:04.360 Do you feel like answering?

00:04:05.760 I don't mind answering.

00:04:07.060 I mean, I can't believe you're asking a question on Epstein at a time like this where

00:04:10.840 we're having some of the greatest success and also tragedy with what happened in Texas.

00:04:17.300 It just seems like a desecration.

00:04:21.740 Okay.

00:04:23.500 That seemed odd to me because he ran on Jeffrey Epstein.

00:04:27.740 He ran on, I'm going to release everything.

00:04:30.320 So there's a couple of ways to look at this.

00:04:32.380 He feels he did release everything.

00:04:34.500 There's nothing to see here.

00:04:35.560 And if that is true, then quite honestly, I stand by what I said yesterday.

00:04:43.200 Pam Bondi should be fired for the way she rolled this out. 1.00

00:04:45.780 It was horrible.

00:04:47.180 It's one of the worst rollouts of, quote unquote, the truth I've ever seen.

00:04:54.880 Just the videotape alone.

00:04:58.040 Now, she came out and she said, well, there's that one minute.

00:05:01.340 Okay, that's fine.

00:05:02.480 That one minute I don't think is enough to show, you know, anything.

00:05:05.800 It was edited, we thought, yesterday.

00:05:08.340 And she said it comes out and every year or every day there's a reset just before midnight.

00:05:14.880 I checked with, you know, security experts.

00:05:17.680 That's absolutely true.

00:05:19.420 Not all systems do that, but some systems do.

00:05:22.160 There's a whole bunch of things we could go down that road on, but we don't need to.

00:05:26.120 But why wouldn't you say that?

00:05:27.460 How did you miss that one minute, okay?

00:05:31.080 Second thing, it's not pointing at the door.

00:05:33.300 It shows nothing.

00:05:34.440 It shows nothing.

00:05:36.360 But we can nitpick for everything.

00:05:39.140 I personally think we have seen a massive change in the White House and in the way this was being handled.

00:05:47.860 At first, we're going to release everything.

00:05:50.040 And then I have it on my desk.

00:05:53.460 Then I have it on my desk and I'm going to release it probably tomorrow.

00:05:57.180 And then when that didn't happen, then it was the FBI in New York.

00:06:00.300 This is all Pampondi.

00:06:01.320 The FBI in New York is thwarting our efforts.

00:06:04.180 And there are people in New York that are trying to keep this information away from us.

00:06:08.880 And now there's nothing.

00:06:10.620 Nobody was arrested for trying to keep information away from her.

00:06:13.740 What is that?

00:06:14.400 That's mass incompetence.

00:06:16.680 Mass incompetence.

00:06:18.560 So she should be fired. 0.99

00:06:20.700 He's not going to fire her.

00:06:22.540 Because I think there's also something else going on.

00:06:25.000 I think, you know, and people are like, well, that's Donald Trump.

00:06:28.020 That's because his name is in it.

00:06:29.460 No, no, no, it's not.

00:06:30.800 If you believe Donald Trump, the guy has models hanging off of every single finger that he has.

00:06:36.680 If he wants the models, he's got the models.

00:06:39.100 And they're all over age.

00:06:40.960 And it doesn't seem to me that he's ever shown any, any. 0.99

00:06:45.420 I mean, just that's stupid to believe that he would be with a 15-year-old girl. 1.00

00:06:48.860 Stupid. 1.00

00:06:50.180 Are there people like that? 1.00

00:06:51.560 Yeah.

00:06:51.840 I don't think he's one of them.

00:06:53.700 And he had a falling out with Jeffrey Epstein and everything else.

00:06:56.800 So I just don't believe that that is the deal.

00:06:59.840 And I think you're wildly misguided if you do.

00:07:04.380 But to each his own, I guess.

00:07:06.780 Now, what do I think possibly happened?

00:07:11.560 I personally believe that he was an operative.

00:07:14.520 I think he was an intelligence operative.

00:07:16.520 And, you know, you can say all you want.

00:07:20.020 But when you're president of the United States and the intelligence agencies come to you and sit you down and say, OK, here's what happens, Mr. President, when you release this.

00:07:27.960 You have, let's just say there wasn't 5,000 people involved.

00:07:31.380 There was four, four.

00:07:33.160 One of them was Prince Andrew.

00:07:35.060 OK, so.

00:07:36.800 All right.

00:07:37.460 Go ahead.

00:07:37.880 Release that.

00:07:38.540 You know what that says?

00:07:39.580 That says that he was an operative working for us.

00:07:42.660 And Prince Andrew was caught in this honey trap.

00:07:45.600 So now the United States of America just took one of their biggest, oldest allies and rope this guy into a honey trap.

00:07:53.780 For what?

00:07:54.720 For what, Mr. President?

00:07:56.340 For what?

00:07:57.640 I don't know.

00:07:58.560 For what?

00:07:59.140 Yeah.

00:07:59.460 Well, maybe we got nothing out of that.

00:08:01.700 But this was a CIA operation.

00:08:05.800 And it just happened to backfire on our biggest ally.

00:08:09.220 Do you think the world is going to stand for that with everything else that we've done?

00:08:13.660 No, I don't.

00:08:14.460 Now, I don't know.

00:08:16.540 I don't know what decision I would make if I were president of the United States.

00:08:20.640 I would think, I would hope that I would say, release it.

00:08:25.140 Because we have to clean it up.

00:08:26.440 Not my fault.

00:08:27.520 Not my fault.

00:08:28.160 Happened years ago.

00:08:29.360 We're not doing it anymore.

00:08:30.760 And I'm making sure.

00:08:31.560 And the only way to make sure that we disinfect is to fire all the people that were involved.

00:08:36.640 Make sure that it doesn't happen again.

00:08:38.400 And make an example out of people.

00:08:39.820 That's what I would hope I would do.

00:08:41.680 That's what I would hope the president would do.

00:08:43.620 But I have a feeling that he's not afraid of him being exposed.

00:08:47.800 He's not afraid of him being killed by the CIA.

00:08:50.780 I think he is making a decision that he believes is right for the country.

00:08:56.300 But he's not going to say that.

00:08:57.420 Now, why would I jump to this conclusion?

00:09:00.200 Because Donald Trump is a very, very, very smart guy.

00:09:03.780 And he knows how to handle the press and everything else.

00:09:07.840 What did he do?

00:09:08.760 Instead of saying, Pam, you blew this rolling out.

00:09:12.060 Look, America, there's nothing going on here.

00:09:14.620 There's nothing going on.

00:09:16.040 And I'm going to get to work, you know, on other things.

00:09:18.360 But I understand.

00:09:19.160 Because we talked about it on the campaign trail.

00:09:21.760 So I understand your interest in this.

00:09:23.640 But there's nothing. 1.00

00:09:26.040 Instead, what he said was, what a stupid question that is. 1.00

00:09:30.460 Have you ever heard of a dumber question? 1.00

00:09:31.980 With all the stuff that's going on. 1.00

00:09:33.260 Pam, do you even want to answer that dumb question? 0.97

00:09:36.000 Yeah, I'll take it, Mr. President. 0.98

00:09:37.280 I just, I mean, and then looking right at the reporter.

00:09:39.320 I can't believe you even asked that question. 1.00

00:09:40.700 What a stupid question that is. 1.00

00:09:42.940 What did he just do? 1.00

00:09:44.040 He made sure, in that room, there was only one question about Epstein.

00:09:50.140 Had he not done that, there would have been follow-up questions.

00:09:54.140 What Donald Trump just did was single one reporter out and say, 1.00

00:09:58.860 you're going to be that stupid to ask that question. 1.00

00:10:03.600 Now nobody wants to ask the follow-up question. 1.00

00:10:06.440 And only a few people will.

00:10:09.160 Now, I'm not a reporter.

00:10:11.500 We will continue to follow this story.

00:10:14.100 But I have a feeling, until you have somebody like Schellenberger that are going to dedicate their whole thing to exposing this,

00:10:23.780 because I do think there's stuff here.

00:10:26.040 But until you have Schellenberger or somebody like that going after it and really doing, you know, 24-7 kind of gumshoe work,

00:10:36.240 I don't think you're going to find anything else.

00:10:37.860 Nothing else is coming from the government.

00:10:39.180 That was clear yesterday.

00:10:41.080 That's all you get.

00:10:42.260 That's it.

00:10:43.100 It's over.

00:10:44.080 Move on.

00:10:46.340 I don't suggest we move on, but that's all the information we're going to get officially.

00:10:53.240 Okay.

00:10:53.540 Now, let me change to another story that has been brewing since July 4th that is really important.

00:11:00.580 And as the days go on, it gets more and more important.

00:11:03.260 There was an attack on July 4th on ICE, and this is looking more and more well-coordinated.

00:11:14.260 And there are three stories that I want to tie together that will show you what is coming.

00:11:19.320 We can talk about Epstein, and I think it's very important that we do.

00:11:25.000 We can talk about Epstein, but that is only going to solve what was in the past as well as what is still in Intel.

00:11:34.000 But this one is on the near horizon, and I think we need to talk about this one in depth today so you are prepared because I think we're on the verge of a massive change in tactics here in the United States.

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00:12:45.120 Selena, welcome to the program. 0.80

00:12:47.980 Hey, Glenn, thanks so much for having me on.

00:12:51.320 Thank you.

00:12:52.080 I'm sorry to, you know, drag you over into two days here, but I appreciate your willingness to do so yesterday.

00:12:59.000 I want to now talk about, I mean, the first part of your book is stunning.

00:13:05.300 What you saw personally just five feet away from the president.

00:13:09.420 You're on the ground covered by a Secret Service agent while he's on the ground covered by a Secret Service agent.

00:13:14.920 And you can hear everything he's saying.

00:13:17.440 And then you see him, you know, you saw him before.

00:13:20.880 Then he calls you the next day because you were supposed to go on the plane with him.

00:13:24.320 And he calls you the next day like seven or eight times.

00:13:28.780 In your book, you really explain what happened afterwards with the crowd, which I've never seen anywhere else.

00:13:35.740 And you explain red state America in a way that if people cared to know the truth about who we really are, they would read it and they would understand.

00:13:45.840 And they would see, oh, my gosh, they're not monsters.

00:13:48.780 They really do believe some of these things, you know, about America.

00:13:52.500 And that's how they live their lives.

00:13:54.360 But let's go in now to the shooter.

00:13:58.800 Who was he?

00:14:00.740 How did it happen?

00:14:02.100 How did nobody catch it?

00:14:03.920 What happened on the roof?

00:14:06.320 And why did nobody care?

00:14:08.120 Yeah, you know, Thomas Matthew Crooks, in many ways, Glenn, is very symbolic of the collapse of very once trusted institutions in our country that have failed us all the way around.

00:14:25.360 So what do I mean by that?

00:14:26.500 So this was not, first of all, when it comes to my profession, this is not something that has been deeply investigated in the way that shiny objects are given to detail by some of the best investigative journalists in this country.

00:14:45.540 There was no, there was a complete void of intellectual curiosity to get to the bottom of this.

00:14:54.420 The other problem is, is the collapse of our trust.

00:14:59.080 And at one time, one of the most vaunted parts of our government, and that is our Secret Service, right?

00:15:08.120 The competency, the incompetency of that day, the failure to loop everyone together, which, by the way, was one of the most important instructions from 9-11, right?

00:15:20.680 We didn't, our agencies didn't talk to each other, right?

00:15:24.880 That's why we created the Patriot Act.

00:15:27.260 Exactly.

00:15:27.940 So how in the heck can you, knowing that there's going to be 50,000 people there in a wide open farm field with trees, a water tower, and outbuildings all surrounding the perimeter and very close range of the stage?

00:15:50.220 How is it that there was no communication set up between the different agencies?

00:15:55.920 How is it that it wasn't fully and robustly staffed?

00:16:00.400 And given that they know this information, that he is already the target of Iran, how is this even possible?

00:16:09.900 So he's also symbolic of that, but he's also symbolic, and we don't talk about this enough in a meaningful way, in how we handle mental illness in this country.

00:16:24.620 We shove it aside.

00:16:26.280 We pretend it's not happening.

00:16:28.260 We try to medicate it.

00:16:29.960 Mostly people try to ignore it.

00:16:31.820 And this is a young man, for all intents and purposes, had pretty much led a normal but quiet life.

00:16:40.640 That after COVID and all the isolation that went along with that, he began to unravel.

00:16:49.840 And that unraveling happened at a warp speed in the last six months of his life.

00:16:56.280 And he was, you know, this should have been a red flag to someone who cared about him.

00:17:02.680 He's at the gun range almost every day, went down to the gun range and checked the logs.

00:17:07.740 He is there almost every day.

00:17:09.700 And he's there not just on, during, you know, a regular day, but he's also there on days like Thanksgiving and Christmas and Valentine's Day.

00:17:21.340 That tells you this is someone that is lonely, and this is someone that is isolated, and this is someone who has no support system around him.

00:17:31.940 The challenge with...

00:17:32.880 Hang on, hang on, hang on just a second.

00:17:34.220 I could see, because, you know, I'm a parent.

00:17:37.860 I could see, as a parent, you know, you don't understand how kids are growing up today.

00:17:42.640 You don't understand the world they live in at all.

00:17:44.900 And I could see, I mean, I used to spend, you know, working at a radio station, 13, 14, 15 years old.

00:17:52.120 I was gone all the holidays.

00:17:54.220 I spent it, and you could say, well, he's isolated, he's lonely.

00:17:57.900 Or you could say, he's just really into this, and he is, you know, doing something about it.

00:18:03.580 And it's what he loves, and let's let him get him through this period.

00:18:08.560 So why is this a sign of mental illness?

00:18:11.720 Well, it's a sign of isolation and loneliness, and that means there's a vulnerability there, right?

00:18:22.500 And as a parent, we're always keenly aware of vulnerabilities in our children, or if we have friends.

00:18:33.000 And they may even mean nothing, but they also may mean something profound.

00:18:38.640 And that gets to my fourth problem, is just the sort of collapse of the American family and how we take care of our children and how we watch our children.

00:18:53.080 And do we put a screen in front of them, right?

00:18:56.260 Is that how we medicate them, right?

00:18:58.560 Is that how we get them to just be calm and quiet and go in another room?

00:19:02.600 Because we don't want to deal with it.

00:19:04.120 Or can I present another option here?

00:19:08.940 And it's just because I just finished raising two teenagers.

00:19:12.160 It's not necessarily because you want them to just go in the other room and be quiet.

00:19:16.520 You have no idea.

00:19:18.340 Selena, I raised four kids, a generation apart.

00:19:23.380 And I got to tell you, raising the first set was not the same as raising the second set.

00:19:31.700 And it's totally different from my childhood.

00:19:35.600 And you spend a lot of time thinking, okay, this is not a good thing, but how do I deal with this without making things worse?

00:19:45.220 How do I, you know, what kind of space do I give them?

00:19:48.280 Because they are teenagers and they have to rebel.

00:19:50.720 How do I remain in their life?

00:19:53.080 I mean, it is so complex now to be able to raise teenagers.

00:19:58.040 And you are seeing major signs, but you don't necessarily know that that's a major sign.

00:20:04.120 Or if it is, you don't have any idea how to deal with it.

00:20:08.820 Absolutely.

00:20:10.100 You know, in the book, I have the transcript of his father calling the police.

00:20:17.800 And you can tell in that conversation and in the details that he is giving the 911 operator, that he had a feeling something was going on with his son.

00:20:30.020 That he reveals it.

00:20:33.180 And every parent will read that and say, and every parent that's had a child that they've been concerned about will read that and say, he knew something was wrong.

00:20:43.900 And this is a young man, by the way, his grandfather was a Vietnam War, not just a Vietnam War veteran.

00:20:51.620 He was a Vietnam War officer in the military.

00:20:55.060 Very highly respected, a man in the community, very involved in the community.

00:21:00.320 When he passed away 10 years before last year, you know, he wrote in the obituary his great love for his grandson.

00:21:12.200 And you fast forward to today where his wife, Thomas Matthew Crook's grandmother, says she wants nothing to do with this family and hasn't for a while.

00:21:27.400 So what happened, you know, and and and part of the challenge in in reporting about him is that the family lawyered up.

00:21:40.400 He was cremated and and and and the Secret Service was giving absolutely no information.

00:21:48.740 There's only so many.

00:21:50.400 Now, I know there's other investigative journalists.

00:21:53.000 I will be the first to say that is not my my skill set.

00:21:58.260 You know, I can go so far.

00:22:00.260 But but, you know, records and things like that.

00:22:03.180 But, you know, the way that they can do it.

00:22:05.820 Like that.

00:22:06.700 Yeah.

00:22:07.760 That's not, you know, my my biggest skill set.

00:22:10.760 But, you know, going into the community, talking to the neighbors, talking to people, you know, reexamining this life, it paints a picture that, you know, in hindsight, you could say, well, the warning signs were there.

00:22:28.560 So was this what motivated him?

00:22:31.680 The problem with this young man is that he left no digital footprint, which is very rare.

00:22:42.360 That weird.

00:22:43.260 That is for someone his age.

00:22:45.300 It could be as simple.

00:22:46.840 I have gone back and forth in my in my head and in conversations with people.

00:22:51.860 It could be as simple in his decline in mental health that he was laughed off of the rifle team because his shot was so bad and he didn't make the team just a couple years earlier.

00:23:07.840 And he wanted to prove to everyone that he was a good shot.

00:23:11.760 And and there doesn't seem to be any evidence that this was politically motivated because he he was he had registered as a Republican, but he also demonstrated or gave money to Democrats.

00:23:29.120 So it doesn't appear to be ideological as much as I'm going to to me.

00:23:35.060 This is my takeaway.

00:23:36.540 I'm going to prove to everyone I am good at this.

00:23:39.900 I am a sharpshooter and screw everyone that laughed at me that day.

00:23:46.360 You know, think about the movie, Carrie, right?

00:23:49.020 Everybody's laughing.

00:23:50.240 Yes.

00:23:50.460 Right.

00:23:50.760 Think about that and the vulnerability of that teenager.

00:23:54.080 And nobody's laughing anymore.

00:23:56.280 I made those shots.

00:23:58.960 So.

00:24:02.740 What about the the phones that had connections to, you know, foreign, you know,

00:24:09.100 operatives or whatever that was anything there, Selena?

00:24:14.320 Not that we know of, but I do know that that this is something that's still being investigated

00:24:19.620 and still being uncovered.

00:24:22.240 And I think part of the reason why it's still being investigated is because it wasn't investigated as

00:24:28.220 robustly as it should have been last year.

00:24:31.260 So we have several things going on, it seems at once, including the press.

00:24:43.780 As you said yesterday, you were on the ground with a Secret Service agent on top of you.

00:24:50.560 You were hearing the president.

00:24:52.000 You're seeing the blood.

00:24:53.080 And reporters are already saying that the president was hit by a shard of glass.

00:24:59.200 Yeah.

00:24:59.360 There was no there was no real interest in pursuing this story because they knew, I think,

00:25:06.280 they knew this was going to do really good things for his campaign.

00:25:09.760 Yeah, I think they they saw this and and and looked at it and said, oh, boy, this is this

00:25:18.640 is going to have an impact.

00:25:21.400 And they they did whatever they could to muffle it.

00:25:26.780 I mean, three days later, we're talking about Joe Biden dropping out as the biggest story.

00:25:31.260 And I'm thinking I'm still got bruises all over myself wondering, how are we not talking about this?

00:25:38.140 I'm going to the funeral of Corey Compatori and seeing a family completely shredded.

00:25:46.680 And and I'm just so you read throughout the book as I continue to cover this election,

00:25:54.520 as everything is changing in such fast motion in ways that people when they read this book,

00:26:01.700 they will say, I had I hadn't.

00:26:03.980 Why weren't people reporting this?

00:26:06.380 You know, you know, and and it was so frustrating for me.

00:26:11.560 I sometimes imagine myself as sort of like Snoopy jumping up and down and screaming and nobody's

00:26:18.280 hearing me because there was so much happening.

00:26:22.140 And also, you know, I also covered this, the Harris campaign and the unbelievable decisions

00:26:30.300 that they made that nobody wrote about.

00:26:33.520 Nobody covered.

00:26:34.680 Nobody thought this is a red flag.

00:26:39.940 This is the best of the Glenn Beck program.

00:26:45.280 Augustus Dorico is with us.

00:26:47.220 He is the founder and CEO of Rainmaker.

00:26:49.900 This is a cloud seeding company.

00:26:53.680 Welcome, Augustus.

00:26:54.440 How are you?

00:26:55.920 Hi, Glenn.

00:26:56.520 I'm I'm blessed.

00:26:58.520 I appreciate you having me here.

00:27:00.460 And again, still, my heart and prayers go out to all the people of Texas.

00:27:04.640 I'm here in Dallas now, actually.

00:27:06.820 And we didn't have anything to do with the flooding.

00:27:09.800 I still am praying for everybody affected by it.

00:27:12.360 It has got to be pretty disturbing for you to hear that you are being blamed for, you

00:27:21.300 know, cloud seeding and knowing science.

00:27:24.020 I have to tell you, I don't know much about cloud seeding.

00:27:27.420 It bothers me what I see over in England.

00:27:30.780 But I, again, haven't taken the time to really look into it.

00:27:34.180 So explain what cloud seeding does and how you know you didn't have anything to do with

00:27:40.000 that.

00:27:41.060 Yeah, I can also explain to you what cloud seeding does and what cloud seeding is not, right?

00:27:47.220 Because you're referencing something from England that we can talk about in a second.

00:27:49.840 So cloud seeding is a technology developed in the United States in the 1940s to increase

00:27:55.920 water supply for farms, for ecosystem conservation, for reservoirs, for residences, and also our

00:28:02.580 industries.

00:28:03.340 It relies on identifying liquid in clouds and then releasing particulate, specifically

00:28:09.900 silver iodide, into those clouds that the water freezes onto into big snowflakes and then

00:28:14.620 become heavy enough to fall as rain.

00:28:17.540 Cloud seeding has been going on in the United States for decades.

00:28:21.800 It, again, is paid for by farmers and utilities and government entities that want more water for

00:28:27.660 their constituents.

00:28:29.500 Hang on just a second.

00:28:30.640 So I live up in the high desert in the summer and I have a farm and a ranch and we pray for

00:28:36.440 rain every year because it's our, but we're in the high desert.

00:28:39.740 It wouldn't work here because we don't have the clouds, right?

00:28:43.380 So first of all, I think you should keep praying for rain.

00:28:46.460 I'm grateful to have gotten saved when I was 20 years old and baptized in Dallas, actually.

00:28:53.540 I think that, like, this is all God's world and it's our responsibility to steward it, right?

00:28:58.840 And insofar as we can help make more water for people and ecosystems here, that's my primary

00:29:03.840 interest.

00:29:04.620 Just because you're in the high desert doesn't mean that you can't have cloud seeding.

00:29:08.140 If there aren't clouds, then you can't make it rain more.

00:29:11.180 But sometimes there are.

00:29:12.400 And also the aquifers nearby are recharged from cloudier regions not so far away.

00:29:17.520 And so you can actually benefit from programs nearby as well.

00:29:21.080 Now, to clarify, cloud seeding, the best operations we've ever seen from either Rainmaker's own

00:29:28.620 work or the National Center for Atmospheric Research or other institutions can produce

00:29:33.280 tens of millions of gallons of precipitation distributed over hundreds of square miles

00:29:38.600 over the course of about an hour or two.

00:29:40.660 Now, the remnants of Tropical Storm Barry that blew in and caused the flooding, that storm

00:29:47.160 dumped trillions of gallons.

00:29:48.880 It's about a million times less than what the biggest and best cloud seeding operations

00:29:53.180 can do right now.

00:29:54.700 Now, that said as well, when you referenced England, right, cloud seeding is not solar radiation

00:30:00.840 modification, nor is it chemtrails, right?

00:30:03.480 Solar radiation modification is a real technology that people are investigating and developing and

00:30:08.620 increasingly deploying to release reflective particles into the upper atmosphere to cool

00:30:13.800 down the planet, to dim the sun and cool the planet down.

00:30:16.260 Cloud seeding, although it is also in the atmosphere, I think that it's something that

00:30:21.020 deserves a ton of scrutiny.

00:30:22.920 Totally agree.

00:30:23.540 Yeah, I think so too.

00:30:24.440 Yeah, yeah.

00:30:25.680 But cloud seeding has nothing to do with that.

00:30:27.960 Cloud seeding requires existing puffy clouds full of water to be there in order to make them

00:30:33.720 precipitate a little bit more.

00:30:35.020 Now, if you see a long streak in the sky behind an airplane, that also is not cloud

00:30:40.680 seeding.

00:30:41.120 Whether that's a natural contrail or a chemtrail, I haven't seen any evidence to suggest that

00:30:46.020 chemtrails are malevolently being put down by the government or some other nefarious

00:30:50.740 party.

00:30:51.200 But regardless of which it is, a chemtrail or contrail, it has nothing to do with cloud

00:30:56.200 seeding either because producing clouds is not what cloud seeding does.

00:30:59.660 Cloud seeding relies on existing clouds to make them rain more.

00:31:02.200 And those long streaks in the sky, those are mostly ice.

00:31:06.200 There's not enough water in them to seed in the first place.

00:31:08.700 And they're also like 20,000 feet higher in the atmosphere than where all of our cloud

00:31:12.800 seeding operations take place.

00:31:14.980 Okay.

00:31:15.600 So you went out what day?

00:31:18.480 Thursday and cloud seeded in Texas?

00:31:21.000 July 2nd, we flew about a 20-minute flight where we seeded two clouds, two small clouds

00:31:28.560 with about 70 grams worth of silver iodide.

00:31:32.360 That's about 10 skittles worth of material.

00:31:34.920 And those clouds dissipated about two hours after the event.

00:31:38.860 Any rain?

00:31:40.780 Yeah.

00:31:42.500 Okay.

00:31:42.820 And they dissipated, and they don't remain up in the atmosphere, right?

00:31:50.180 The clouds...

00:31:51.840 The skittles.

00:31:52.480 One, the skittles of material.

00:31:55.580 They could not have stayed suspended in the atmosphere by the time that the flooding started

00:32:01.380 happening.

00:32:02.020 Okay.

00:32:02.280 And then the flood, that was a storm that rolls in and was not part of the system that

00:32:10.640 you seeded, correct?

00:32:12.860 Correct.

00:32:13.500 And also, it's worth noting that a lot of people have said, well, this shouldn't go on

00:32:17.940 without any oversight.

00:32:19.040 And I totally agree.

00:32:20.120 And I think that there should be even more regulatory scrutiny and oversight and reporting

00:32:24.140 requirements so that these operations are totally transparent.

00:32:26.720 But there actually are regulations in Texas through the Texas Department of Licensing and

00:32:32.800 Regulation that have suspension criteria.

00:32:35.580 And suspension criteria are these meteorological conditions, these weather conditions, these

00:32:40.540 issuances and notifications from the National Weather Service that say, hey, if there is

00:32:44.820 a flash flood warning, if the soil is already too saturated, if cloud seeding would cause

00:32:49.940 any flooding, you have to suspend operations.

00:32:52.760 And not only did we suspend operations in adherence with the regulations from the state of Texas,

00:32:57.380 but we actually, because our meteorologists were very proactive, suspended operations a day

00:33:01.900 in advance of any warnings that would have regulatorily mandated us to.

00:33:06.120 Because we at Rainmaker earnestly believe that this is God's kingdom to steward, and it

00:33:13.260 is our job to do no harm and do as much good as we can.

00:33:16.260 And so if we can bias towards being cautious, not so cautious that we ban this technology

00:33:21.980 and prevent farmers from having water from it, but if we can be cautious in our operations

00:33:26.020 such that we mitigate any potential for any damage, which we did and do, I'm all for that.

00:33:32.580 That's what everybody's opinion is at my company.

00:33:36.340 So I know China is doing cloud seeding up in the mountains to get much more snow up in

00:33:42.740 the mountains, so then they have the water, the runoff, et cetera, et cetera.

00:33:47.360 Are they ahead of us?

00:33:48.600 Is this what we're doing?

00:33:49.700 Is it the same thing?

00:33:50.860 So China, just for context, the United States a year ago spent $2.4 million on cloud seeding

00:34:00.800 research, right, to investigate how to produce more water for American farms, to save the

00:34:05.720 Colorado River, to refill our aquifers, right?

00:34:09.060 $2.4 million total, and that was a one-off.

00:34:12.140 China has an annual budget of $1.4 billion for cloud seeding and weather modification.

00:34:18.140 They have 35,000 employees in their weather modification office.

00:34:22.440 They have two universities that offer bachelor's degrees in weather engineering, not meteorology,

00:34:27.420 not atmospheric science, but specifically how to engineer the weather.

00:34:31.240 And if the United States bans this technology wholesale, if we don't regulate it and monitor

00:34:36.920 where it's going on so that we have a transparent account of the activities, not only will we be

00:34:41.300 behind China, but we won't have regulatory statutes or the capability to monitor who is modifying

00:34:47.520 the weather in the United States and otherwise.

00:34:49.740 Okay, so tell me the difference between weather modification, which sounds scary, and cloud

00:34:55.300 seeding.

00:34:57.400 Totally, totally.

00:34:58.460 I think the bigger distinction to make is between weather modification, which cloud seeding is

00:35:03.960 a kind of, and geoengineering, right?

00:35:07.420 So cloud seeding is a way to make more water, right?

00:35:11.620 You are modifying the weather by making it rain or snow a little bit more.

00:35:15.900 Geoengineering is a global climatic intervention designed to either cool the planet down or

00:35:22.720 create, you know, reflective high altitude clouds.

00:35:26.180 And that has, again, nothing to do with cloud seeding, which is a form of weather modification.

00:35:30.480 And to your point about it sounding scary, right?

00:35:33.160 I could try to do some sort of slimy PR thing and say like, oh, cloud seeding is not weather

00:35:37.840 modification, but fact of the matter is like making it precipitate a little bit more is

00:35:42.300 modifying the weather.

00:35:43.580 And I think that I would rather be totally transparent about that and also say like, it's

00:35:48.720 something that we should regulate and it's something that we should be cautious about

00:35:51.500 and we should approach it with a mindset of stewardship.

00:35:54.420 But still, if we were to ban it, hold sail, not only would we deprive Americans of having

00:35:59.100 access to more water from it, but also we'd be liable to other countries continuing to

00:36:03.180 do it without it from us.

00:36:04.720 So you remember the big hurricane that happened and we were hit by two, one came and hit Florida

00:36:11.100 and then the other one came barreling in to North Carolina up from Florida and people

00:36:17.260 said, well, that was weather modification that, that was that, that they cloud seeded that

00:36:22.880 and they modified that and they even steered that.

00:36:26.040 I never believed any of that stuff, but can it be done?

00:36:30.340 Can that be done?

00:36:31.180 Um, no, no, it, at this point in time cannot be done.

00:36:37.340 The modification of a hurricane such that would either increase or reduce the winds, increase

00:36:42.740 or reduce the damage done by it.

00:36:44.560 Um, that is not something that is doable.

00:36:47.140 Now, that being said, it's worth talking about something called Project Storm Fury, where

00:36:51.840 in the last century, the United States Weather Bureau and Air Force conducted flights over the

00:36:57.520 Atlantic to try to seed hurricanes, to mitigate the damage that they would do by the time they

00:37:02.000 broke against the Eastern seaboard.

00:37:03.940 And we stopped that program because we didn't have what's called attribution, right?

00:37:09.000 We didn't have the right radar.

00:37:10.640 We didn't have any good satellites to measure what the effect from the seeding was.

00:37:14.900 Um, the reason why cloud seeding is coming back into the discourse now, why it's a viable

00:37:19.560 technology that people are paying for is because we can measure what the results of our operations

00:37:24.680 are.

00:37:25.280 And I would say that although Milton and Helene, I've seen no evidence of having been modified

00:37:30.000 and I'm totally open-minded about that.

00:37:31.980 And if anybody does have it, I would happily scrutinize it and talk about it.

00:37:35.940 But despite not believing those to be modified, um, it is worth thinking about the fact that,

00:37:41.900 you know, like at the beginning of time in Genesis 1, 26 through 28, one of the first

00:37:47.740 commandments we were given before the fall, while we were still in the garden, right?

00:37:51.120 Before sin, God told us to take dominion over and steward the earth, the seas, the skies,

00:37:56.000 and everything therein.

00:37:57.280 And so, should we now be concerned about making more water for our farms?

00:38:01.200 Absolutely.

00:38:02.020 Should we at least consider a potential world with extreme caution?

00:38:05.100 And again, a mindset of like prayerful stewardship, the notion that we could mitigate severe

00:38:10.300 weather in the future, I think that it would be abdicating our responsibility to try to tend

00:38:15.880 to the world that God gave us if we didn't at least think about it.

00:38:18.240 And I am not advocating we do that now or anytime soon or without severe scrutiny from the federal

00:38:23.660 government and transparency for everybody.

00:38:26.240 But, um, it's, it's something that may at some point in the future be able to benefit folks.

00:38:31.120 Yeah, I, I mean, I, I, I don't mind looking into technology.

00:38:35.580 I just wish we would slow down sometimes, you know, with, with what's happening with AI.

00:38:41.500 We've seen the damage that, that social media did.

00:38:45.180 Now we're going into AI and it's coming at us faster and we have no idea what it's going

00:38:49.700 to do.

00:38:50.080 So, you know, when, when you're throwing stuff up, you know, whether it's chemtrails or whatever,

00:38:55.060 I don't know enough about it, but I sure would like to be in part of the discussion

00:38:59.840 on some of these things.

00:39:01.640 I'd like to have our government say, Hey, uh, what do you think?

00:39:05.660 Are we going to do this or not?

00:39:06.860 And leave it up to the people.

00:39:07.920 We're, we're talking about doing some things to the planet that, you know, might be good,

00:39:12.740 but also could be horrible.

00:39:14.620 And I, you know, I just, the arrogance on some of this stuff really bothers me.

00:39:19.720 Augustus, thank you so much for, um, having a frank conversation with us.

00:39:23.440 Um, I pray for you and your family and all the coworkers, uh, at Rainmaker who, uh, I know

00:39:29.440 feel, you know, it's obvious you feel for the families, et cetera, et cetera, but now to

00:39:34.340 be blamed for it, uh, is, is it's gotta be hard.

00:39:38.820 It's gotta be hard.

00:39:39.580 Thank you, Augustus.

00:39:41.160 Thank you, Glenn.

00:39:44.620 You're richer than you think.

The Glenn Beck Program - July 09, 2025

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