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00:00:00.000 From Phoenix, Arizona, as we get ready for the memorial here in Phoenix for Charlie Kirk on

00:00:05.400 Sunday, we'll give you a little insight of what is going on there. This is an amazing thing.

00:00:11.260 There are more international and national press credential requests for this event on Sunday

00:00:16.860 at the State Farm Arena in Glendale, Arizona, than any Super Bowl. This is going to be reported on

00:00:24.620 and seen all over the world, and we're going to be there, and we'll tell you about the pregame

00:00:30.700 stuff, if you will, on today's podcast and post on Monday, and I have an announcement

00:00:35.700 to make with TPUSA on Monday as well. But we're going to talk a little bit about how everybody

00:00:42.920 is, their reaction is wildly different from left to right on the assassination of Charlie Kirk.

00:00:49.180 Selina Zito joined us on the program today. Pastor Josh McPherson has some really good insight

00:00:54.480 on what's going on, why this feels different, why this is behaving different, and what he

00:00:59.660 is actually seeing with a network of pastors and priests and rabbis all across the country.

00:01:04.980 What are they seeing happening right now, and what does it all mean? Also, Michael Malice

00:01:11.200 stopped by, gave me the first laugh that I've had in probably 10 days, and it's, oof, it was

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00:03:18.860 get to work. You're listening to the best of the Glenn Beck program. Welcome, Selina. How

00:03:32.740 are you? Hey, Glenn. How are you? I'm okay. Yeah, it's been a really tough nine days. Can

00:03:40.840 you believe it's been nine days? It feels like it's been six months. Yeah, it's, you know,

00:03:46.860 there's sometimes I wake up and like, oh, that didn't happen. Right. I jumped it. Right. It didn't,

00:03:52.500 it couldn't have happened. Because Charlie was such a life force. The first time I met him,

00:03:59.080 I think he was like 18 years old. And I was just so struck by this, by this energy and, and this,

00:04:08.200 this, this aspirational quality he had. And, and one of the things that I think you've done really

00:04:14.300 well, and, and it is important to note about Charlie, he never did this for himself. This

00:04:21.820 was never about him. It was always about bringing people together for, to be part of something bigger

00:04:27.840 than self. I think a lot of people in trying to understand Charlie have missed that, but you

00:04:34.120 haven't. And, and I think that's, that I think that's real, but that's a quality. A lot of people

00:04:40.820 don't, you know, possess, right? There's always an ulterior motive. There wasn't with Charlie.

00:04:47.960 There never was. It was about faith and family. Yeah. He just wanted to make the world a better

00:04:54.320 place. Um, you know, he had his own ideas how to do that, but it was never about hogging the

00:04:59.880 spotlight. It was, he always shared the spotlight. He always shared. We, you didn't matter where he

00:05:06.080 was. You know, I called him, uh, for some advice on something, uh, I don't know, last year, I think.

00:05:12.060 And I called him, he was in the oval with the president, picked up the phone. Hey, Glenn,

00:05:16.380 what's happening. And, and I said, uh, Hey, do you have a second? He said, yeah, I'm just with

00:05:20.820 the president or just working on some stuff. And I'm like, I'll call you back. And he's like, no,

00:05:25.120 no, no. What do you need? I mean, that's the kind of guy he was. It really, you know, it's amazing.

00:05:32.400 Um, you, you tweeted something. I just spent 90 minutes sitting on the sideline of the kids flag

00:05:36.620 football practice. And I don't think cable news experts or Democrats have any idea how profoundly

00:05:41.340 impacted suburban moms over what happened to Charlie Kirk and how they may have, uh, and how much 1.00

00:05:46.320 they have noticed how poorly many have behaved. What'd you mean by that?

00:05:50.300 So this is something that I, um, that's in my book Butler in that, you know, after the president

00:05:59.560 was shot, right. People, I went out and I saw people that I did not expect to see with Trump

00:06:06.960 shirts on or Trump hats or put them in their yard. Right. And, and I remember, right. I interviewed

00:06:13.380 people like that. That's in my book. And, and, and, and also in my book was all these young people

00:06:20.760 that kept showing up in droves to his events. And it was Charlie, it was Trump. What happened to him?

00:06:27.860 It was also Charlie. And, and so the other day I was, first I went to a revival. I don't know if I

00:06:36.580 sent that to you. I went to a revival in the city of Pittsburgh in a majority of black historic

00:06:43.880 neighborhood called the Hill district. And there were kids coming from the busloads on Sunday

00:06:50.640 just to, to witness and to, and to celebrate Charlie and his life, but also to celebrate their faith

00:06:59.780 with, with, with, with a boldness, um, that, that has been inspired by Charlie. But, um, to get back

00:07:07.820 to your original question, I'm sitting on the sidelines to my little grandson's flag football

00:07:13.180 game. And I'm listening to these, these moms over, over, over hearing their conversations. And it was all

00:07:20.880 about how my profession has behaved, um, in reaction to, um, Charlie's murder and, but also how they've

00:07:31.600 been invigorated and, and, and activated into, I mean, three of them had freedom shirts on, you know,

00:07:40.000 and I was like, Whoa, something is happening. This is, this is very real. This is very tangible.

00:07:47.380 And my profession isn't seeing it on paper. These women should be Democrats. They're suburban, 1.00

00:07:55.620 they're college educated, right? I mean, they're the demo that you X and they live and they live in 0.99

00:08:01.480 suburbs. They're the demo. You expect, um, Democrats to, um, for them to go towards the Democrats.

00:08:08.420 And instead they were talking about, I can't believe that he was murdered. I can't believe how

00:08:15.240 they're covering this. I want to get my kids out of school. I want to homeschool them. Several of them

00:08:20.880 had just gone away for the weekend because they couldn't handle the way that things were being

00:08:25.860 talked about. And there is an awakening going on. I don't think my profession or Democrats understand

00:08:38.980 just in the past four days in places like Somerset, Pennsylvania, the city of Pittsburgh, um, uh,

00:08:47.200 Shippingsburg, Pennsylvania, Hemfield, Pennsylvania, Ligonier, Pennsylvania, hundreds and hundreds of

00:08:53.520 hundreds of people have just been showing up in their little town squares, right? These are small

00:08:59.380 Pennsylvania towns. Most of them with, you know, gazebos in the middle, right? And, and, um,

00:09:05.120 with just candles and just they're praying and, and they're, a lot of them are really, really young.

00:09:14.900 And, and, you know, people talked about when you and I were growing up, right? The counterculture

00:09:20.260 that were the coal people, right? This, that's the counterculture. We're looking at the counterculture 1.00

00:09:26.720 and it's not, and it's people of faith and purpose. It's not, it's not the bad guys.

00:09:35.120 How do you think people are, you know, it, the two questions. One, I see these polls that have

00:09:42.360 just recently come out that are shocking, that show young people are much more authoritarian,

00:09:47.480 uh, than any of their Gen X and even Gen Z, um, counterparts that this, this, uh, this new,

00:09:57.340 uh, generation has been indoctrinated from the beginning and they are starting to look at

00:10:05.100 authoritarian, uh, rule. How do you square that? Do you, do you believe those polls?

00:10:12.700 Well, it's not that I don't believe the polls. It's where is the polling coming from? Are you

00:10:19.140 pulling in New York city? Are you pulling in LA, Chicago? Are you pulling on college campuses?

00:10:25.480 Which by the way, would be the easiest way to do it if you're a pollster, right? And you want to

00:10:30.180 capture a certain demographic. Um, but that's not the experience I have had. And we have to remember,

00:10:38.240 Glenn, that oftentimes what we see coming from our cultural curators, meaning, uh, big media,

00:10:45.500 legacy media, media, right? Um, corporations, institutions, academia, um, uh, a lot of that

00:10:53.240 is coming from, you know, the super zip codes in the country, except in the super zip codes in the

00:10:59.220 country, right? Where the, where wealth and power is, is, is, is, is at the center of everything.

00:11:05.340 Those places don't decide elections. Those people, those places don't make what makes this country

00:11:14.660 go and move. And, and so I think that if you're pulling, you're not pulling from Somerset, Pennsylvania,

00:11:24.360 then you're not getting the full breadth of understanding what is happening in this country.

00:11:30.720 It, it, it was, I remember last year for when writing Butler and thinking, nobody is seeing

00:11:37.940 what's happening. They're, they're really not, they're not understanding how, what a seed change

00:11:43.880 is happening in this country. And, and I'm standing in the exact same place again, only it's bigger,

00:11:50.140 it's broader. So I'm looking at the reaction of, uh, those on the left last week and this week to

00:12:00.660 Charlie Kirk. And then I'm watching how I read a story today where Stephen Colbert and Jimmy Kimmel

00:12:07.400 were literally called martyrs. Um, and, and, you know, I've been in this business enough. I can read

00:12:16.180 ratings. I know what advertisers, if you don't have advertising, if you're not getting sales and

00:12:22.040 you're costing more than it costs to put the show on, you're not there long. Um, and I really believe

00:12:29.880 ABC, I mean, CBS, they fired Stephen Colbert because it was costing them twice as much to produce than

00:12:36.100 what they were making. That doesn't last unless you're in a communist society. Um, the thing with Jimmy

00:12:41.460 Kimmel is they were trying to find ways to get rid of him. And I think ABC saw this opportunity and was

00:12:48.000 like, yep, yep. Community standards. They, you know, they want them off. And so they're getting

00:12:51.460 rid of him. Um, and now Jimmy, the word is, is that Jimmy is really upset about this. And so he's

00:12:57.180 doubling down and he's already looking for a new job and he's got one and he's going to go, you know,

00:13:02.140 tell the public what really is going on and, uh, and double down on his hatred for Trump and,

00:13:07.440 and everything else. I, I see the reaction of this Jimmy Kimmel thing. And I think,

00:13:13.660 I, I can't believe the American people are buying into this and that this is helping

00:13:19.400 the people on the left at all. No, it's no, it's not. And, and they're, and they're reporting this

00:13:29.340 from their bubble, right? Um, just to use a cliche, it is a bubble. Um, this is the same day. They all

00:13:36.740 talk to and see the same people all the time. And, and so, you know, nobody's going to tell

00:13:43.620 them, Oh, you're seeing this in the wrong way. Look, markets change all the time. And you know

00:13:50.180 that. And I know that because we're in a business, it's always fluctuating, but so are American people

00:13:56.980 where we're like, think about the steel worker in the 1970s. Did anybody come rushing to save their

00:14:04.800 job when it wasn't making money for the big company? No. Did any, did any reporter plop in

00:14:11.820 and say, how do you feel? Are you mad? Are you angry? No, they didn't. I'm not saying I'm, I lived

00:14:18.640 it. So I know they didn't right. But to, to lift up and celebrate someone who is, um, who is also not

00:14:28.780 meeting the, the, the, the moment with, with the ratings and, and say, well, you should still have a

00:14:34.520 job. Well, you know what? Those steel workers still thought they should have a job too. Right. But

00:14:39.540 you, you weren't making the money. And, and also more importantly, this is the thing that really

00:14:45.200 bothers me. It's the affiliates that said, we're not doing this anymore. It is affiliates. They have

00:14:53.100 the most power because they're the ones that need to make money. These are, these are, these are

00:14:58.740 stations across the middle of a country, right? Where, where, where, um, while DC and New York don't

00:15:05.140 think those people have much power, actually they turned out to, to have power, not just in, in the

00:15:11.220 election, but also in this and deciding what is right for our culture. And these affiliates said,

00:15:18.620 yeah, we're, we're not doing this in particular because Kimmel wasn't even going to apologize the

00:15:26.200 next day. You know, he was, he was, he wanted to come out and clarify. That's not an apology.

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00:17:07.660 Josh, welcome to the program. How are you, pastor?

00:17:10.760 I'm very good. How are you going?

00:17:12.960 I'm good. I'm good. It's good to talk to you, my friend. And thank you for the kind note

00:17:16.300 this week. I really appreciate all that you do.

00:17:19.960 I've been thinking about you a lot, praying for you, and grateful for your voice right now, bro.

00:17:24.680 So I feel the same way about you. I want to talk to you about what's happening in our churches.

00:17:30.920 But I want to start with a couple of definitions first.

00:17:34.720 Yeah.

00:17:34.880 What is the definition of a martyr? Where do we get that word? What's it come from?

00:17:41.340 So martyr is anchored in the original Greek word that means witness. And so it's someone who gave

00:17:49.220 clear witness to something. So when we use the word martyr in relationship to a Christian martyr,

00:17:53.720 it's someone who was faithful in their clear and uncompromising witness and explanation

00:18:00.540 of the gospel, and more specifically, Jesus Christ.

00:18:05.560 But you could also make that as a witness of the truth of the American principles, could you not?

00:18:12.880 Absolutely. Absolutely.

00:18:14.800 Because I think Charlie Kirk was a witness of both. And I got to tell you, I told Erica the other day

00:18:20.500 when I saw her. It was hard for me to say this to her. I couldn't imagine a better way to go out

00:18:28.540 than the way Charlie did. And I don't mean the way they killed him. I mean, by witnessing,

00:18:36.640 having the words coming out of your mouth, just three sentences before witnessing Jesus Christ,

00:18:42.900 and then witnessing to the truth to a group of people that were starving for it, and then to be

00:18:49.080 taken out. I mean, if that's not a swift elevator or escalator ride right up to the top, I don't know

00:18:55.480 what is.

00:18:56.680 Oh, it's remarkable. And I mean, all of us have been thinking, reflecting on just, I'm sure I'm like,

00:19:03.100 you haven't slept for days. You're just, you're just, it's all you can think about. And, and,

00:19:07.300 and the irony, the poeticness, or how do you want to say it, the nature that he wasn't killed in a

00:19:12.440 car accident. He wasn't attacked somewhere outside. He was, he was killed doing the thing

00:19:17.820 he'd been doing for 12 years, and that he'd love to do. In spite of the fame, in spite of all the

00:19:22.640 responsibilities, sitting in a chair, under a tent, with a cheap microphone, talking to anyone who

00:19:29.440 would want to come and listen about the ideas that met most him. And for Charlie, I heard him say it

00:19:34.900 so many times, he loved America. He loved our nation, and he loved what made it great. And what

00:19:40.220 made it great, and this is what made him so, I think, different from other people, is his ability

00:19:44.800 to connect the dots between the greatness of America and the glory of Jesus. And that the American

00:19:50.560 ideas that people connect with around the world work anywhere in the world, because they're connected

00:19:56.340 to the timeless truths of the gospel. And I mean, Charlie's political theory was anchored in

00:20:02.820 biblical theology, and he, like no one I've ever met, had the ability to connect those dots

00:20:08.440 in all of life. And so, as I've been talking with guys all the time, they didn't kill Charlie because

00:20:14.060 he was a big personality. They didn't kill Charlie because he was merely a big conservative voice.

00:20:19.380 They killed Charlie Kirk because he was talking, and the next generation was listening. He was pointing

00:20:26.880 them to the glory of Jesus, the good news of the gospel, anchored in the truth of God's word, 0.72

00:20:31.840 and that's why they had to kill him. So he is absolutely, in every sense, I believe,

00:20:37.540 a Christian martyr, and maybe, potentially, the first public figure Christian martyr on American

00:20:42.660 soil. We have the Jim Elliott. Joseph Smith. I know we disagree. I know we disagree on theology,

00:20:48.260 but I would have to throw in, because I thought about this, Joseph Smith and Charlie Kirk are probably

00:20:54.500 the only Christian martyrs in American history. Yep. Can we have Christian martyrs, you know, 0.76

00:21:00.000 Jim Elliott goes to a jungle somewhere? You know, those kind of examples have gone away.

00:21:04.520 But on American soil, at an American university, captured by 3,000 cell phones from every possible

00:21:11.520 angle, this one was just different. Yeah, it was. It was. And it, you know, I think if Charlie would

00:21:19.640 have been asked the night before, hey, listen, Charlie, tomorrow you have a choice. You can live

00:21:29.240 a little while longer, and you can continue to do these things. Or tomorrow, you could be taken out

00:21:35.580 while testifying, and millions of people will be affected by your testimony of Christ.

00:21:41.840 I, I, I'll, from what I know of Charlie, and I knew him fairly well, there's not a question he

00:21:48.100 would have said, oh, the second one, right now. Yes, let's do it. That's right. That's right. And I

00:21:52.640 think, I think people know that, Glenn, and that's what makes the story so compelling. This wasn't like

00:21:57.780 a shock or a surprise, even though it was horrific. He'd been getting death threats for years. He, and,

00:22:03.760 you know, the Bible says count the cost, right? He is one who counted the cost. And, and, and the

00:22:08.740 question was, do I want to, do I want to take the road of safety as an act of cowardice, or,

00:22:14.120 or walk the road of danger as an act of faith? And oftentimes we think that the counterpart of,

00:22:19.820 of cowardice is courage. The counterpart of, of, of cowardice is faith. And Charlie had faith

00:22:26.700 in the risen Christ, which gave him then courage. I mean, you watch that video of him walking up to

00:22:31.620 the chair at the Utah. It's haunting. I mean, you're, you're like, turn around. Don't go out there.

00:22:36.940 Someone stop. Why isn't there bulletproof glass? And Glenn, he could have been wearing a full kit.

00:22:42.660 He could have been behind bullet blood. He didn't want to, he wanted to stay accessible to the people

00:22:46.520 and demonstrate a measure of courage that quite frankly, many of us pastors sometimes lack. And

00:22:51.580 it was a stunning display of courage that I think we're now seeing ripple across the country.

00:22:57.400 So what is happening in our churches, Josh, what is happening in our church? I was lucky enough to

00:23:01.660 attend one of my services in my faith in a town where the bishop got up and he spoke boldly about

00:23:08.520 Charlie Kirk and what was happening. And I don't know how many churches, even in my own faith, I

00:23:13.680 don't know how many, you know, wards or, or churches that actually spoke about Charlie Kirk. And that

00:23:19.140 is, was so important to me. Is that happening in most churches or are they dropping the ball again?

00:23:27.160 Well, obviously you can't speak for, for every church out there, but, um, so I'm, I'm on these

00:23:33.180 tech threads, tech threads with over, over, over 60 pastors. And so, you know, across the country

00:23:38.620 from Florida, New York, Wisconsin, Michigan, Texas, California, red States, blue States, big churches,

00:23:44.740 small churches, some of the biggest churches in the country down to 10 month old baby church

00:23:49.360 plants. And so we're all talking and Wednesday it happens and you're just like, my gosh, what's

00:23:54.040 happened. And Thursday, Friday, you're processing and grieving. And there's just too much to take in.

00:23:58.780 And by Friday, it's like, gosh, this feels different. Something is moving here and stirring

00:24:03.940 here. Not only because of how he was killed, but because of who he was and how he lived. I mean,

00:24:10.380 all of a sudden you can't go on the internet without just clip after clip after clip after clip. And

00:24:14.180 I don't think even Charlie knew how big a deal he was. I mean, bro, from, from missing man,

00:24:20.540 uh, uh, formations and blue angels to the Dallas Cowboys, to New York Yankees, uh, to cold play to

00:24:27.320 the Polish parliament. I know holding a moment. You're watching this. You're like, what in the

00:24:33.060 world is happening? You know, 150,000 people is reported by CNN in London. It turned out to be

00:24:38.100 3 million. It's like, this is wild. And so Saturday I filmed this quick video. I was like, Hey pastors,

00:24:43.540 if you're out there, I think there's a tidal wave coming. And the tidal wave is in the form of people

00:24:48.180 who are hurting and are hungry. And they're going to show up at your church. And it's our job to open

00:24:53.600 the Bible and give them Jesus. Don't miss the moment. And then we all went into Sunday going,

00:24:58.040 what's going to happen? And, and this is what I, this is why I texted you yesterday. This is what

00:25:01.160 I want the American people to hear because in moments of tragedy like this, we instantly start

00:25:06.680 looking for meaning. Like, why did this happen? Why could have this been allowed by a good and loving

00:25:11.260 God? And we know what we have promises in the word of God that says, what Satan intends for evil,

00:25:15.440 God intends to use for good. And all of us, including you and myself, we're probably going,

00:25:20.980 yeah, not this time. You know what I mean? Like, like, there's no way.

00:25:25.860 I'm seeing it happen.

00:25:27.200 There's no way to be used for good. Yeah. And so, so Saturday we're all like,

00:25:31.340 how could this be used for good? Sunday we get to church and I walk in and I'm like,

00:25:37.060 what in the world is happening? And, and going, this is what I wanted to tell you. I want

00:25:40.140 American people to hear universally across the board with every pastor I know and who I'm talking

00:25:45.960 to Easter level record attendance on a random Sunday in September. I mean, I'm talking churches

00:25:53.340 up 30%, 40%. Some guys texting me 70%, 80%. And not only Easter level attendance, Easter level response

00:26:01.680 to the good news of the gospel. You know, Charlie used to get up and he was, he was really famous for

00:26:05.980 saying, you know, the gospel is in four words. Jesus took my place. The gospel in three words,

00:26:10.780 him for me, the gospel in two words, substitution, atonement, the gospel in one word, grace. What is

00:26:15.160 grace? It's not getting what you deserve and getting what you don't deserve. When you stand

00:26:18.340 before the judgment seat of Christ in Christ, you can have grace and find eternal life. Thanks so much.

00:26:22.580 You can drop the mic and walk off. I think Charlie's life and death has awakened Glenn in just this

00:26:30.520 moment, a spiritual hunger that I have never seen at levels in our nation across the board. And so I

00:26:37.640 wanted the American people to hear that when Jesus says, you know, unless a grain of wheat goes into

00:26:43.120 the ground and dies, it cannot produce more seeds. Charlie's life went into the ground like that grain

00:26:49.720 of wheat. It died and it's producing millions of seeds. And this isn't just pastor's hyperbole,

00:26:57.040 preacher hyperbole. This is reality. We are seeing not just a Sunday of revival. I believe we're

00:27:02.640 moving into a season of revival and it's staggering. It's a stunning thing to behold.

00:27:08.000 So I was singing the other day that, um, uh, that our work has got to be, all of us has to be get out

00:27:15.000 into the fields. The harvest is ripe. But one of the things, the, one of the things that I wanted to

00:27:20.360 ask you about is, you know, uh, I have to grow my own alfalfa. And when I say I grow it, I have people

00:27:28.000 that grow it for me. Right. Other people grow it for my cows. Um, but, uh, I know the planting and

00:27:38.700 everything else and the harvest comes in three or four times a summer. Um, you have to go out and just

00:27:45.300 cut the field and then grow some more and then cut the field. This is the first cutting, if you will,

00:27:51.140 this, the harvest is right, but more is coming after this. Do, do bad things have to come each

00:27:59.480 time before the harvest? That's a really good question. You know, C.S. Lewis said pain is God's

00:28:06.980 megaphone to a deaf world. And sometimes, uh, it takes something painful in our own personal life

00:28:12.980 or out in the public square that causes us to reflect on our life. I mean, here's why this

00:28:16.920 is landing on people. I mean, have you been asking yourself what makes this different

00:28:20.220 and not, not to be crass or mercenary, but people die every day and it's horrible and it's tragic

00:28:27.220 and it's a part of the fall and it's terrible, but this, this has stopped and shocked the world.

00:28:33.720 And it's like, what is different? And I think Glenn, one of the things that has made it different,

00:28:38.980 well, there's, there's lots of dynamics and there's of course the sovereign plan of God at hand,

00:28:42.440 I believe. But in Charlie, we saw a champion, our champion. He was a gladiator. He would go into

00:28:49.820 places that none of us would want to go and do and say what we wish we could say. It's like that

00:28:55.640 guy's on our team. Yeah, let's go. It is exciting. And then he was taken off the field in a devastating

00:28:59.940 injury. And we're all asking ourselves, is the team still going to win? And the second thing that

00:29:04.520 makes it personal, I think is all of us saw ourselves in Charlie. He was a normal guy. He could

00:29:10.200 connect to the normal Joe. He was saying, I mean, we had, we have people saying, including our former

00:29:15.780 president, that Charlie's views were extreme. He was an extremist. And you know what his views were?

00:29:20.440 You should read the Bible, obey the Bible and teach people about the Bible. You should get married and

00:29:24.520 have kids, hold down a job and be a good member of your society. That is now, that is now counted as

00:29:29.800 extreme. And all of us are listening to this and watching this going, wait a minute, that that's what I

00:29:34.840 believe. That's how I live. I'm just a boring Christian that's married to one woman. It's got 1.00

00:29:39.680 a couple of kids and working hard in my community. Do they all feel like that about me? And so it's

00:29:44.720 carried something different, I think, with it, and it's caused something to shift. And so to your

00:29:49.960 question, does something bad always have to happen for there to be a harvest? Well, it is,

00:29:54.460 it is a cycle of life. Death is a prerequisite for the miracle of resurrection. It's true with the grain

00:30:03.640 of wheat that goes into the ground. And it's true, I think, of how God works in the heavenly

00:30:10.000 realm. And so this, this one tragic event, I believe, is going to roll out, not just for a few

00:30:16.400 days, not just for a few weeks, I believe for decades, because, well, I'll give you an example.

00:30:21.440 We got a, we got a college at our church. A college kid came up to me on Monday. He said,

00:30:25.500 Pastor Josh, I just had to tell you, I've been wanting to reach out to some of my friends in high

00:30:29.980 school, don't know Jesus. And I just wasn't sure how to do it. After Charlie's assassination,

00:30:34.380 I thought, my gosh, why am I wasting time? And so I texted 10 of my old high school buddies. These

00:30:41.020 are secular, pagan, atheistic, non-church going college freshmen. I texted 10 of them and they're

00:30:48.220 all the way at school. All 10 drove home and came to church with me on Sunday.

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00:31:02.780 Let me start with, uh, actually Sarah, I want to start with cut two. Um, I want to start with

00:31:07.280 something good, um, that will show you that there is decency, uh, out on the left. And I don't know

00:31:13.180 how to square this in my head right now. Uh, Rainn Wilson, who, um, you know, played Dwight on the

00:31:20.740 office. He's a lefty, but he's always seemed like a decent guy, at least to me. He's always seemed

00:31:26.460 like, you know, a little out there, but, uh, and you know, we don't vote the same, but he seems like

00:31:32.800 he really wants to be a decent guy and he tries to be a decent guy and he preaches. We should all

00:31:36.940 be decent to each other. Um, now somebody who I don't feel that way about is Mark Ruffalo. Um,

00:31:44.300 and Mark is, is never the guy who seems to be trying to be a decent guy. He is a bomb thrower, 0.73

00:31:51.140 at least in my opinion. Um, here he is, uh, Rainn Wilson on his podcast with Mark Ruffalo.

00:31:59.160 Listen to this country is being torn apart in so many different ways. While I didn't agree with his

00:32:05.740 ideas, shooting someone that we disagree with, even if they're vociferous and loud and out there is

00:32:13.220 so colossally wrongheaded. I spoke to a couple of, uh, let's say some liberal friends last night at an

00:32:24.880 event and they were like, you won't find me shedding any tears. And someone else was like,

00:32:29.820 oh, well, there was a little bit of a kind of a good riddance thing. And it's like, guys, no,

00:32:34.260 no, no, we cannot think or talk that way at all. That is not okay. So dangerous, man.

00:32:44.000 That's really good. And I believe rain. I, I, I don't know how to, I don't know how to put it

00:32:48.540 together with what I know from Mark Ruffalo, but hopefully he means that. So Mark, uh, actually

00:32:54.680 chimes in a little bit later. And of course he shifts towards shifts the conversation to gun

00:32:58.640 control, which was so frustrating because there was actually a human conversation going on for a

00:33:02.640 little while, but then Mark shifts it back to gun control. He talks about these weapons of war,

00:33:07.140 of course, that are only designed to kill people. He clearly doesn't even know what was used as a

00:33:12.880 hunting rifle. Yeah. This was not a weapon of war. No, this was a hunting rifle. This was a

00:33:18.180 old style hunting rifle. Old school. Yeah. Like my understanding is it's legal in like almost every

00:33:24.280 country, even with restrictive gun laws. Like this is a bolt action rifle. This is a, this was

00:33:30.460 something that they used in world war one. Okay. And before, I mean, as soon as we had any kind of

00:33:37.540 modern firearm with a bolt action with something with, you know, slams into the back of the bullet

00:33:44.020 to set off the, uh, the fuse and the igniter that the, that that's how old this gun is. This isn't a

00:33:52.620 modern weapon of war. Um, it doesn't take a modern weapon of war. You want to kill somebody, you can

00:33:59.500 kill them. The, the, it's the society that is so sick and, and how do people miss this? How do honestly, 1.00

00:34:07.360 how are people missing that this is a societal problem? This isn't a gun problem. This is a

00:34:13.220 societal problem and you want to see it. Here's, here's Ilan Omar. Uh, she was at a town hall event

00:34:20.380 in Minnesota and she's talking to a concerned citizen, uh, about the Charlie Kirk situation.

00:34:27.420 Here she is cut three. 0.98

00:34:29.280 I asked in the interview we had this week with, um,

00:34:32.280 Marty Hassan, I think his name is. You said that those who disagree with you and may have

00:34:39.040 a different open view, worldview are, in your words, full of . So I'm just wondering which

00:34:47.920 approach is better to call upon those who disagree with you to come to open debate and dialogue

00:34:54.920 or to say that those who disagree with you and may have a different worldview are full

00:34:59.680 of . So you must have selective hearing, sir. Um, because I said that the people who are

00:35:06.680 full of , the people who were saying that Kirk was civil.

00:35:12.920 didn't say that.

00:35:24.680 didn't say that.

00:35:28.680 didn't say that.

00:35:33.440 i cannot be in this country because i want to destroy western society is not civil.

00:35:40.440 the person who said.

00:35:42.440 stop stop i'm just i i don't i don't want to play you i just want to show you this is the

00:35:48.320 jimmy kimmel disease this is somebody who is just making quotes up just saying things that

00:35:54.040 are absolutely untrue that is that there there's no basis of reality in that and so um i would say

00:36:02.280 kindly uh to this woman who i believe uh married her brother um that she is wildly misinformed and

00:36:13.240 she can either inform herself or she should face some ramifications of smearing somebody this this is

00:36:20.440 lawsuit territory um you you you just can't say these things about people that are so grossly

00:36:29.640 wrong this isn't this isn't just uh a difference of opinion on how to read it he didn't say those

00:36:36.840 things he didn't say say those things uh and it's it's sick it's really truly sick do we have but

00:36:44.920 this is what i expect from you know some of these places you know michigan minnesota do we have

00:36:50.920 all the audio from two days ago sarah um this is this is the mayor of dearborn now listen to this

00:36:57.160 this is a city council meeting and the mayor of dearborn is sitting there listening to a concerned

00:37:03.400 citizen they just renamed a street after a guy who was what was his role do you remember i i believe

00:37:11.400 he was hezbollah or one of those groups right okay so um it just named him just named this boulevard

00:37:18.040 after a guy from hezbollah okay and this guy shows up peaceful at a town city council meeting in dearborn

00:37:26.920 michigan i want you to hear what he says and then listen to the mayor's response i mean hezbollah um

00:37:34.280 um you know bombed uh the embassy in beirut and including many americans so i just feel that's

00:37:42.040 quite inappropriate you're an islamophobe and although you live here i want you to know as 0.96

00:37:46.120 mayor you are not welcome here and the day you move out of the city will be the day that i launch 0.90

00:37:51.240 a parade celebrating the fact that you moved out of the city because you are not somebody who believes

00:37:55.640 in coexistence excuse me you know who doesn't believe in coexistence hezbollah 0.99

00:38:02.600 hezbollah hezbollah does not believe in coexistence you are a racist and islamophobe because you stand 0.91

00:38:11.320 against hezbollah what kind of america are you making in dearborn michigan when your mayor can get 0.69

00:38:20.920 away with saying that and there is not an uprising to oust and recall that mayor you are no longer living

00:38:29.560 in an america that i even recognize to say that you are not welcome because you stand against hezbollah

00:38:38.920 and the mayor will lead a parade the day you leave town you're not welcome here i've never heard an

00:38:46.200 american mayor say anything like that ever i've never heard an american mayor say anything like that

00:38:53.160 especially at a city council meeting where you have people coming and that's their job to sit there and

00:38:58.760 listen to the people and the voice of the people and take it under advisement to respond that way is

00:39:05.880 chilling absolutely chilling now let me go to uh cut four this is brendan carr brendan carr is the

00:39:15.880 commissioner for the fcc he's a friend of the program um i generally agree with him and i want

00:39:22.120 to i want to parse this one out because this is all about jimmy kimmel and what happened to jimmy

00:39:28.200 kimmel and there is you know abc was looking at replacing jimmy kimmel months ago um they're using

00:39:36.440 this as a convenient uh way to get rid of him okay because they were looking for a replacement because

00:39:41.400 he has he has zero ratings zero ratings in the in the 18 what is it 1849 demo he had like 150 000

00:39:51.000 people watching lower than that oh that's that yeah it's lower than 129 000 129 000 129 000 that that is

00:40:00.360 insane that is the abc television network and 129 000 people why we get that on on some of our

00:40:09.160 youtube videos for the love of people aim to be clear glenn those that's lower than the ratings

00:40:13.400 that we had when we were doing a show on cnn headline headline news i mean it's unbelievable how

00:40:20.040 bad those unbelievable okay so they're just use abc is just using this as cover uh and he is getting

00:40:27.400 worse and worse and worse but um so the the sponsors the local affiliates and abc wanted this

00:40:34.440 to happen but they're blaming it on brendan carr now i wanted to listen to this because pat i heard pat

00:40:39.720 talking about this today on the place and uh he said we can't go this way i want to listen to it again

00:40:46.280 because when what i heard brendan say i was like i i think i actually agree with him but i'm not sure so

00:40:52.040 let's listen to it again here's cut four look again broadcast tv is different we're on a cable

00:40:57.640 show right now you don't have an fcc license you don't have an obligation to serve the public interest

00:41:02.760 podcasts don't either stand-up comedians whether they're on lots of forms of communications don't

00:41:07.640 and kimball is free to do that but if you have a broad stop stop stop stop stop stop and pause it right

00:41:13.800 there first let's agree that's true now you don't have to agree with what the fcc does you don't have

00:41:20.680 to agree with the regulation on broadcast television that happened because of fdr um however

00:41:28.840 that is the law it is the law they they only censor broadcast television that's why when you're

00:41:36.360 watching something on you know on nbc you're watching i don't know quantum leap it just feels like

00:41:42.760 an old tv show because it's so so sanitized and so safe that's because it's regulated by the federal

00:41:48.600 government like it or not that is the law if you don't like it let's change the law but the law is

00:41:55.480 that there there are community standards community standards not national standards community standards

00:42:04.200 now listen to what he says next kimball is free to do that but if you have a broadcast tv license that 0.92

00:42:10.760 means that you have something that very few people have and you're excluding other people from having

00:42:16.280 access to that valuable public resource and it comes with an obligation to serve the public interest

00:42:20.920 and again over the years there's been a rule in place of the fcc that local tv stations get to preempt

00:42:27.480 programming that they don't think meets the needs of their communities but recently these national

00:42:31.720 programmers abc disney comcast nbc they've been exercising outsized control and power over those local tv

00:42:40.440 stations and there's been no pushback and this is a very significant moment because local broadcasters

00:42:45.560 are now pushing back on national programmers for the first time uh that i can think of in modern history

00:42:52.600 okay so what so listen to what he's saying here he's saying that you have and i i disagree with

00:42:59.320 this actually i don't like the fcc i never have liked the fcc i've done this for almost 50 years

00:43:04.040 believe me i my experience with the fcc but the fcc regulates what he said you have if you have a

00:43:10.600 broadcast license you have access to people something that everybody doesn't have and that is the air

00:43:15.960 space there are only so many frequencies available we don't need any of that anymore as long as the

00:43:22.440 internet stays alive okay you you we needed that before there was inter internet so you could broadcast

00:43:29.960 something to the whole country or to your local community so you have that frequency you know 95.5

00:43:38.200 uh on fm you have that frequency and that is licensed to you as long as you uphold community standards

00:43:45.480 and you are serving the public okay now the next thing he says is you have the right to preempt things

00:43:53.240 nationally if it doesn't serve your local interest now he gets into something here that i'm not aware of

00:43:59.240 and so this is where it could get fuzzy on me he says now they have outsized power the national

00:44:05.720 networks have outsized power and it's the first time local broadcast has pushed back on that outsized

00:44:12.360 power the license does not belong to the networks the license belongs to the local stations

00:44:19.560 what he went on to say is i am trying to empower the local stations that is where the power should be

00:44:27.880 not at the corporate level not at the uh national level not at the network level the ones that hold the

00:44:36.520 license they're the ones who have the responsibility to serve the public and if that company says i don't

00:44:43.880 want to carry this show anymore i want to preempt this show that's where the power should be

00:44:49.080 not with the government but with the local license holder i don't know what the problem is on that

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