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As we get ready for the Super Bowl in Phoenix, Arizona on Sunday, we ll give you a little insight of what is going on there. Pastor Josh Mcpherson has some good insight on why this feels different, why this is behaving different, and what he is actually seeing with a network of pastors and priests and rabbis all across the country. Also, Michael Malice stopped by, gave me the first laugh I ve had in probably 10 days, and it was needed.
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From Phoenix, Arizona, as we get ready for the memorial here in Phoenix for Charlie Kirk on
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Sunday, we'll give you a little insight of what is going on there. This is an amazing thing.
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There are more international and national press credential requests for this event on Sunday
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at the State Farm Arena in Glendale, Arizona, than any Super Bowl. This is going to be reported on
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and seen all over the world, and we're going to be there, and we'll tell you about the pregame
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stuff, if you will, on today's podcast and post on Monday, and I have an announcement
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to make with TPUSA on Monday as well. But we're going to talk a little bit about how everybody
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is, their reaction is wildly different from left to right on the assassination of Charlie Kirk.
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Selina Zito joined us on the program today. Pastor Josh McPherson has some really good insight
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on what's going on, why this feels different, why this is behaving different, and what he
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is actually seeing with a network of pastors and priests and rabbis all across the country.
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What are they seeing happening right now, and what does it all mean? Also, Michael Malice
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get to work. You're listening to the best of the Glenn Beck program. Welcome, Selina. How
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are you? Hey, Glenn. How are you? I'm okay. Yeah, it's been a really tough nine days. Can
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you believe it's been nine days? It feels like it's been six months. Yeah, it's, you know,
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there's sometimes I wake up and like, oh, that didn't happen. Right. I jumped it. Right. It didn't,
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it couldn't have happened. Because Charlie was such a life force. The first time I met him,
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I think he was like 18 years old. And I was just so struck by this, by this energy and, and this,
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this, this aspirational quality he had. And, and one of the things that I think you've done really
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well, and, and it is important to note about Charlie, he never did this for himself. This
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was never about him. It was always about bringing people together for, to be part of something bigger
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than self. I think a lot of people in trying to understand Charlie have missed that, but you
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haven't. And, and I think that's, that I think that's real, but that's a quality. A lot of people
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don't, you know, possess, right? There's always an ulterior motive. There wasn't with Charlie.
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There never was. It was about faith and family. Yeah. He just wanted to make the world a better
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place. Um, you know, he had his own ideas how to do that, but it was never about hogging the
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spotlight. It was, he always shared the spotlight. He always shared. We, you didn't matter where he
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was. You know, I called him, uh, for some advice on something, uh, I don't know, last year, I think.
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And I called him, he was in the oval with the president, picked up the phone. Hey, Glenn,
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what's happening. And, and I said, uh, Hey, do you have a second? He said, yeah, I'm just with
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the president or just working on some stuff. And I'm like, I'll call you back. And he's like, no,
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no, no. What do you need? I mean, that's the kind of guy he was. It really, you know, it's amazing.
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Um, you, you tweeted something. I just spent 90 minutes sitting on the sideline of the kids flag
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football practice. And I don't think cable news experts or Democrats have any idea how profoundly
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impacted suburban moms over what happened to Charlie Kirk and how they may have, uh, and how much
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they have noticed how poorly many have behaved. What'd you mean by that?
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So this is something that I, um, that's in my book Butler in that, you know, after the president
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was shot, right. People, I went out and I saw people that I did not expect to see with Trump
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shirts on or Trump hats or put them in their yard. Right. And, and I remember, right. I interviewed
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people like that. That's in my book. And, and, and, and also in my book was all these young people
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that kept showing up in droves to his events. And it was Charlie, it was Trump. What happened to him?
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It was also Charlie. And, and so the other day I was, first I went to a revival. I don't know if I
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sent that to you. I went to a revival in the city of Pittsburgh in a majority of black historic
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neighborhood called the Hill district. And there were kids coming from the busloads on Sunday
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just to, to witness and to, and to celebrate Charlie and his life, but also to celebrate their faith
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with, with, with, with a boldness, um, that, that has been inspired by Charlie. But, um, to get back
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to your original question, I'm sitting on the sidelines to my little grandson's flag football
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game. And I'm listening to these, these moms over, over, over hearing their conversations. And it was all
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about how my profession has behaved, um, in reaction to, um, Charlie's murder and, but also how they've
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been invigorated and, and, and activated into, I mean, three of them had freedom shirts on, you know,
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and I was like, Whoa, something is happening. This is, this is very real. This is very tangible.
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And my profession isn't seeing it on paper. These women should be Democrats. They're suburban,
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they're college educated, right? I mean, they're the demo that you X and they live and they live in
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suburbs. They're the demo. You expect, um, Democrats to, um, for them to go towards the Democrats.
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And instead they were talking about, I can't believe that he was murdered. I can't believe how
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they're covering this. I want to get my kids out of school. I want to homeschool them. Several of them
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had just gone away for the weekend because they couldn't handle the way that things were being
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talked about. And there is an awakening going on. I don't think my profession or Democrats understand
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just in the past four days in places like Somerset, Pennsylvania, the city of Pittsburgh, um, uh,
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Shippingsburg, Pennsylvania, Hemfield, Pennsylvania, Ligonier, Pennsylvania, hundreds and hundreds of
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hundreds of people have just been showing up in their little town squares, right? These are small
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Pennsylvania towns. Most of them with, you know, gazebos in the middle, right? And, and, um,
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with just candles and just they're praying and, and they're, a lot of them are really, really young.
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And, and, you know, people talked about when you and I were growing up, right? The counterculture
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that were the coal people, right? This, that's the counterculture. We're looking at the counterculture
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and it's not, and it's people of faith and purpose. It's not, it's not the bad guys.
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How do you think people are, you know, it, the two questions. One, I see these polls that have
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just recently come out that are shocking, that show young people are much more authoritarian,
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uh, than any of their Gen X and even Gen Z, um, counterparts that this, this, uh, this new,
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uh, generation has been indoctrinated from the beginning and they are starting to look at
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authoritarian, uh, rule. How do you square that? Do you, do you believe those polls?
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Well, it's not that I don't believe the polls. It's where is the polling coming from? Are you
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pulling in New York city? Are you pulling in LA, Chicago? Are you pulling on college campuses?
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Which by the way, would be the easiest way to do it if you're a pollster, right? And you want to
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capture a certain demographic. Um, but that's not the experience I have had. And we have to remember,
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Glenn, that oftentimes what we see coming from our cultural curators, meaning, uh, big media,
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legacy media, media, right? Um, corporations, institutions, academia, um, uh, a lot of that
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is coming from, you know, the super zip codes in the country, except in the super zip codes in the
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country, right? Where the, where wealth and power is, is, is, is, is at the center of everything.
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Those places don't decide elections. Those people, those places don't make what makes this country
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go and move. And, and so I think that if you're pulling, you're not pulling from Somerset, Pennsylvania,
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then you're not getting the full breadth of understanding what is happening in this country.
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It, it, it was, I remember last year for when writing Butler and thinking, nobody is seeing
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what's happening. They're, they're really not, they're not understanding how, what a seed change
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is happening in this country. And, and I'm standing in the exact same place again, only it's bigger,
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it's broader. So I'm looking at the reaction of, uh, those on the left last week and this week to
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Charlie Kirk. And then I'm watching how I read a story today where Stephen Colbert and Jimmy Kimmel
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were literally called martyrs. Um, and, and, you know, I've been in this business enough. I can read
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ratings. I know what advertisers, if you don't have advertising, if you're not getting sales and
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you're costing more than it costs to put the show on, you're not there long. Um, and I really believe
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ABC, I mean, CBS, they fired Stephen Colbert because it was costing them twice as much to produce than
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what they were making. That doesn't last unless you're in a communist society. Um, the thing with Jimmy
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Kimmel is they were trying to find ways to get rid of him. And I think ABC saw this opportunity and was
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like, yep, yep. Community standards. They, you know, they want them off. And so they're getting
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rid of him. Um, and now Jimmy, the word is, is that Jimmy is really upset about this. And so he's
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doubling down and he's already looking for a new job and he's got one and he's going to go, you know,
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tell the public what really is going on and, uh, and double down on his hatred for Trump and,
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and everything else. I, I see the reaction of this Jimmy Kimmel thing. And I think,
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I, I can't believe the American people are buying into this and that this is helping
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the people on the left at all. No, it's no, it's not. And, and they're, and they're reporting this
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from their bubble, right? Um, just to use a cliche, it is a bubble. Um, this is the same day. They all
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talk to and see the same people all the time. And, and so, you know, nobody's going to tell
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them, Oh, you're seeing this in the wrong way. Look, markets change all the time. And you know
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that. And I know that because we're in a business, it's always fluctuating, but so are American people
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where we're like, think about the steel worker in the 1970s. Did anybody come rushing to save their
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job when it wasn't making money for the big company? No. Did any, did any reporter plop in
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and say, how do you feel? Are you mad? Are you angry? No, they didn't. I'm not saying I'm, I lived
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it. So I know they didn't right. But to, to lift up and celebrate someone who is, um, who is also not
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meeting the, the, the, the moment with, with the ratings and, and say, well, you should still have a
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job. Well, you know what? Those steel workers still thought they should have a job too. Right. But
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you, you weren't making the money. And, and also more importantly, this is the thing that really
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bothers me. It's the affiliates that said, we're not doing this anymore. It is affiliates. They have
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the most power because they're the ones that need to make money. These are, these are, these are
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stations across the middle of a country, right? Where, where, where, um, while DC and New York don't
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think those people have much power, actually they turned out to, to have power, not just in, in the
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election, but also in this and deciding what is right for our culture. And these affiliates said,
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yeah, we're, we're not doing this in particular because Kimmel wasn't even going to apologize the
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next day. You know, he was, he was, he wanted to come out and clarify. That's not an apology.
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Josh, welcome to the program. How are you, pastor?
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I'm good. I'm good. It's good to talk to you, my friend. And thank you for the kind note
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this week. I really appreciate all that you do.
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I've been thinking about you a lot, praying for you, and grateful for your voice right now, bro.
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So I feel the same way about you. I want to talk to you about what's happening in our churches.
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But I want to start with a couple of definitions first.
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What is the definition of a martyr? Where do we get that word? What's it come from?
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So martyr is anchored in the original Greek word that means witness. And so it's someone who gave
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clear witness to something. So when we use the word martyr in relationship to a Christian martyr,
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it's someone who was faithful in their clear and uncompromising witness and explanation
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of the gospel, and more specifically, Jesus Christ.
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But you could also make that as a witness of the truth of the American principles, could you not?
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Because I think Charlie Kirk was a witness of both. And I got to tell you, I told Erica the other day
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when I saw her. It was hard for me to say this to her. I couldn't imagine a better way to go out
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than the way Charlie did. And I don't mean the way they killed him. I mean, by witnessing,
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having the words coming out of your mouth, just three sentences before witnessing Jesus Christ,
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and then witnessing to the truth to a group of people that were starving for it, and then to be
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taken out. I mean, if that's not a swift elevator or escalator ride right up to the top, I don't know
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Oh, it's remarkable. And I mean, all of us have been thinking, reflecting on just, I'm sure I'm like,
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you haven't slept for days. You're just, you're just, it's all you can think about. And, and,
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and the irony, the poeticness, or how do you want to say it, the nature that he wasn't killed in a
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car accident. He wasn't attacked somewhere outside. He was, he was killed doing the thing
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he'd been doing for 12 years, and that he'd love to do. In spite of the fame, in spite of all the
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responsibilities, sitting in a chair, under a tent, with a cheap microphone, talking to anyone who
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would want to come and listen about the ideas that met most him. And for Charlie, I heard him say it
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so many times, he loved America. He loved our nation, and he loved what made it great. And what
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made it great, and this is what made him so, I think, different from other people, is his ability
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to connect the dots between the greatness of America and the glory of Jesus. And that the American
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ideas that people connect with around the world work anywhere in the world, because they're connected
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to the timeless truths of the gospel. And I mean, Charlie's political theory was anchored in
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biblical theology, and he, like no one I've ever met, had the ability to connect those dots
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in all of life. And so, as I've been talking with guys all the time, they didn't kill Charlie because
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he was a big personality. They didn't kill Charlie because he was merely a big conservative voice.
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They killed Charlie Kirk because he was talking, and the next generation was listening. He was pointing
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them to the glory of Jesus, the good news of the gospel, anchored in the truth of God's word,
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and that's why they had to kill him. So he is absolutely, in every sense, I believe,
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a Christian martyr, and maybe, potentially, the first public figure Christian martyr on American
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soil. We have the Jim Elliott. Joseph Smith. I know we disagree. I know we disagree on theology,
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but I would have to throw in, because I thought about this, Joseph Smith and Charlie Kirk are probably
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the only Christian martyrs in American history. Yep. Can we have Christian martyrs, you know,
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Jim Elliott goes to a jungle somewhere? You know, those kind of examples have gone away.
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But on American soil, at an American university, captured by 3,000 cell phones from every possible
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angle, this one was just different. Yeah, it was. It was. And it, you know, I think if Charlie would
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have been asked the night before, hey, listen, Charlie, tomorrow you have a choice. You can live
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a little while longer, and you can continue to do these things. Or tomorrow, you could be taken out
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while testifying, and millions of people will be affected by your testimony of Christ.
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I, I, I'll, from what I know of Charlie, and I knew him fairly well, there's not a question he
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would have said, oh, the second one, right now. Yes, let's do it. That's right. That's right. And I
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think, I think people know that, Glenn, and that's what makes the story so compelling. This wasn't like
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a shock or a surprise, even though it was horrific. He'd been getting death threats for years. He, and,
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you know, the Bible says count the cost, right? He is one who counted the cost. And, and, and the
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question was, do I want to, do I want to take the road of safety as an act of cowardice, or,
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or walk the road of danger as an act of faith? And oftentimes we think that the counterpart of,
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of cowardice is courage. The counterpart of, of, of cowardice is faith. And Charlie had faith
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in the risen Christ, which gave him then courage. I mean, you watch that video of him walking up to
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the chair at the Utah. It's haunting. I mean, you're, you're like, turn around. Don't go out there.
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Someone stop. Why isn't there bulletproof glass? And Glenn, he could have been wearing a full kit.
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He could have been behind bullet blood. He didn't want to, he wanted to stay accessible to the people
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and demonstrate a measure of courage that quite frankly, many of us pastors sometimes lack. And
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it was a stunning display of courage that I think we're now seeing ripple across the country.
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So what is happening in our churches, Josh, what is happening in our church? I was lucky enough to
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attend one of my services in my faith in a town where the bishop got up and he spoke boldly about
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Charlie Kirk and what was happening. And I don't know how many churches, even in my own faith, I
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don't know how many, you know, wards or, or churches that actually spoke about Charlie Kirk. And that
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is, was so important to me. Is that happening in most churches or are they dropping the ball again?
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Well, obviously you can't speak for, for every church out there, but, um, so I'm, I'm on these
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tech threads, tech threads with over, over, over 60 pastors. And so, you know, across the country
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from Florida, New York, Wisconsin, Michigan, Texas, California, red States, blue States, big churches,
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small churches, some of the biggest churches in the country down to 10 month old baby church
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plants. And so we're all talking and Wednesday it happens and you're just like, my gosh, what's
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happened. And Thursday, Friday, you're processing and grieving. And there's just too much to take in.
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And by Friday, it's like, gosh, this feels different. Something is moving here and stirring
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here. Not only because of how he was killed, but because of who he was and how he lived. I mean,
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all of a sudden you can't go on the internet without just clip after clip after clip after clip. And
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I don't think even Charlie knew how big a deal he was. I mean, bro, from, from missing man,
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uh, uh, formations and blue angels to the Dallas Cowboys, to New York Yankees, uh, to cold play to
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the Polish parliament. I know holding a moment. You're watching this. You're like, what in the
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world is happening? You know, 150,000 people is reported by CNN in London. It turned out to be
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3 million. It's like, this is wild. And so Saturday I filmed this quick video. I was like, Hey pastors,
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if you're out there, I think there's a tidal wave coming. And the tidal wave is in the form of people
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who are hurting and are hungry. And they're going to show up at your church. And it's our job to open
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the Bible and give them Jesus. Don't miss the moment. And then we all went into Sunday going,
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what's going to happen? And, and this is what I, this is why I texted you yesterday. This is what
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I want the American people to hear because in moments of tragedy like this, we instantly start
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looking for meaning. Like, why did this happen? Why could have this been allowed by a good and loving
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God? And we know what we have promises in the word of God that says, what Satan intends for evil,
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God intends to use for good. And all of us, including you and myself, we're probably going,
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yeah, not this time. You know what I mean? Like, like, there's no way.
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There's no way to be used for good. Yeah. And so, so Saturday we're all like,
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how could this be used for good? Sunday we get to church and I walk in and I'm like,
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what in the world is happening? And, and going, this is what I wanted to tell you. I want
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American people to hear universally across the board with every pastor I know and who I'm talking
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to Easter level record attendance on a random Sunday in September. I mean, I'm talking churches
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up 30%, 40%. Some guys texting me 70%, 80%. And not only Easter level attendance, Easter level response
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to the good news of the gospel. You know, Charlie used to get up and he was, he was really famous for
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saying, you know, the gospel is in four words. Jesus took my place. The gospel in three words,
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him for me, the gospel in two words, substitution, atonement, the gospel in one word, grace. What is
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grace? It's not getting what you deserve and getting what you don't deserve. When you stand
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before the judgment seat of Christ in Christ, you can have grace and find eternal life. Thanks so much.
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You can drop the mic and walk off. I think Charlie's life and death has awakened Glenn in just this
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moment, a spiritual hunger that I have never seen at levels in our nation across the board. And so I
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wanted the American people to hear that when Jesus says, you know, unless a grain of wheat goes into
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the ground and dies, it cannot produce more seeds. Charlie's life went into the ground like that grain
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of wheat. It died and it's producing millions of seeds. And this isn't just pastor's hyperbole,
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preacher hyperbole. This is reality. We are seeing not just a Sunday of revival. I believe we're
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moving into a season of revival and it's staggering. It's a stunning thing to behold.
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So I was singing the other day that, um, uh, that our work has got to be, all of us has to be get out
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into the fields. The harvest is ripe. But one of the things, the, one of the things that I wanted to
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ask you about is, you know, uh, I have to grow my own alfalfa. And when I say I grow it, I have people
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that grow it for me. Right. Other people grow it for my cows. Um, but, uh, I know the planting and
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everything else and the harvest comes in three or four times a summer. Um, you have to go out and just
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cut the field and then grow some more and then cut the field. This is the first cutting, if you will,
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this, the harvest is right, but more is coming after this. Do, do bad things have to come each
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time before the harvest? That's a really good question. You know, C.S. Lewis said pain is God's
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megaphone to a deaf world. And sometimes, uh, it takes something painful in our own personal life
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or out in the public square that causes us to reflect on our life. I mean, here's why this
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is landing on people. I mean, have you been asking yourself what makes this different
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and not, not to be crass or mercenary, but people die every day and it's horrible and it's tragic
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and it's a part of the fall and it's terrible, but this, this has stopped and shocked the world.
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And it's like, what is different? And I think Glenn, one of the things that has made it different,
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well, there's, there's lots of dynamics and there's of course the sovereign plan of God at hand,
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I believe. But in Charlie, we saw a champion, our champion. He was a gladiator. He would go into
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places that none of us would want to go and do and say what we wish we could say. It's like that
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guy's on our team. Yeah, let's go. It is exciting. And then he was taken off the field in a devastating
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injury. And we're all asking ourselves, is the team still going to win? And the second thing that
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makes it personal, I think is all of us saw ourselves in Charlie. He was a normal guy. He could
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connect to the normal Joe. He was saying, I mean, we had, we have people saying, including our former
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president, that Charlie's views were extreme. He was an extremist. And you know what his views were?
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You should read the Bible, obey the Bible and teach people about the Bible. You should get married and
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have kids, hold down a job and be a good member of your society. That is now, that is now counted as
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extreme. And all of us are listening to this and watching this going, wait a minute, that that's what I
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believe. That's how I live. I'm just a boring Christian that's married to one woman. It's got
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a couple of kids and working hard in my community. Do they all feel like that about me? And so it's
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carried something different, I think, with it, and it's caused something to shift. And so to your
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question, does something bad always have to happen for there to be a harvest? Well, it is,
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it is a cycle of life. Death is a prerequisite for the miracle of resurrection. It's true with the grain
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of wheat that goes into the ground. And it's true, I think, of how God works in the heavenly
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realm. And so this, this one tragic event, I believe, is going to roll out, not just for a few
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days, not just for a few weeks, I believe for decades, because, well, I'll give you an example.
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We got a, we got a college at our church. A college kid came up to me on Monday. He said,
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Pastor Josh, I just had to tell you, I've been wanting to reach out to some of my friends in high
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school, don't know Jesus. And I just wasn't sure how to do it. After Charlie's assassination,
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I thought, my gosh, why am I wasting time? And so I texted 10 of my old high school buddies. These
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are secular, pagan, atheistic, non-church going college freshmen. I texted 10 of them and they're
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all the way at school. All 10 drove home and came to church with me on Sunday.
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Let me start with, uh, actually Sarah, I want to start with cut two. Um, I want to start with
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something good, um, that will show you that there is decency, uh, out on the left. And I don't know
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how to square this in my head right now. Uh, Rainn Wilson, who, um, you know, played Dwight on the
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office. He's a lefty, but he's always seemed like a decent guy, at least to me. He's always seemed
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like, you know, a little out there, but, uh, and you know, we don't vote the same, but he seems like
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he really wants to be a decent guy and he tries to be a decent guy and he preaches. We should all
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be decent to each other. Um, now somebody who I don't feel that way about is Mark Ruffalo. Um,
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and Mark is, is never the guy who seems to be trying to be a decent guy. He is a bomb thrower,
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at least in my opinion. Um, here he is, uh, Rainn Wilson on his podcast with Mark Ruffalo.
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Listen to this country is being torn apart in so many different ways. While I didn't agree with his
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ideas, shooting someone that we disagree with, even if they're vociferous and loud and out there is
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so colossally wrongheaded. I spoke to a couple of, uh, let's say some liberal friends last night at an
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event and they were like, you won't find me shedding any tears. And someone else was like,
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oh, well, there was a little bit of a kind of a good riddance thing. And it's like, guys, no,
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no, no, we cannot think or talk that way at all. That is not okay. So dangerous, man.
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That's really good. And I believe rain. I, I, I don't know how to, I don't know how to put it
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together with what I know from Mark Ruffalo, but hopefully he means that. So Mark, uh, actually
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chimes in a little bit later. And of course he shifts towards shifts the conversation to gun
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control, which was so frustrating because there was actually a human conversation going on for a
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little while, but then Mark shifts it back to gun control. He talks about these weapons of war,
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of course, that are only designed to kill people. He clearly doesn't even know what was used as a
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hunting rifle. Yeah. This was not a weapon of war. No, this was a hunting rifle. This was a
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old style hunting rifle. Old school. Yeah. Like my understanding is it's legal in like almost every
00:33:24.280
country, even with restrictive gun laws. Like this is a bolt action rifle. This is a, this was
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something that they used in world war one. Okay. And before, I mean, as soon as we had any kind of
00:33:37.540
modern firearm with a bolt action with something with, you know, slams into the back of the bullet
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to set off the, uh, the fuse and the igniter that the, that that's how old this gun is. This isn't a
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modern weapon of war. Um, it doesn't take a modern weapon of war. You want to kill somebody, you can
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kill them. The, the, it's the society that is so sick and, and how do people miss this? How do honestly,
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how are people missing that this is a societal problem? This isn't a gun problem. This is a
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societal problem and you want to see it. Here's, here's Ilan Omar. Uh, she was at a town hall event
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in Minnesota and she's talking to a concerned citizen, uh, about the Charlie Kirk situation.
00:34:29.280
I asked in the interview we had this week with, um,
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Marty Hassan, I think his name is. You said that those who disagree with you and may have
00:34:39.040
a different open view, worldview are, in your words, full of . So I'm just wondering which
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approach is better to call upon those who disagree with you to come to open debate and dialogue
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or to say that those who disagree with you and may have a different worldview are full
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of . So you must have selective hearing, sir. Um, because I said that the people who are
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full of , the people who were saying that Kirk was civil.
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i cannot be in this country because i want to destroy western society is not civil.
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stop stop i'm just i i don't i don't want to play you i just want to show you this is the
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jimmy kimmel disease this is somebody who is just making quotes up just saying things that
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are absolutely untrue that is that there there's no basis of reality in that and so um i would say
00:36:02.280
kindly uh to this woman who i believe uh married her brother um that she is wildly misinformed and
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she can either inform herself or she should face some ramifications of smearing somebody this this is
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lawsuit territory um you you you just can't say these things about people that are so grossly
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wrong this isn't this isn't just uh a difference of opinion on how to read it he didn't say those
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things he didn't say say those things uh and it's it's sick it's really truly sick do we have but
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this is what i expect from you know some of these places you know michigan minnesota do we have
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all the audio from two days ago sarah um this is this is the mayor of dearborn now listen to this
00:36:57.160
this is a city council meeting and the mayor of dearborn is sitting there listening to a concerned
00:37:03.400
citizen they just renamed a street after a guy who was what was his role do you remember i i believe
00:37:11.400
he was hezbollah or one of those groups right okay so um it just named him just named this boulevard
00:37:18.040
after a guy from hezbollah okay and this guy shows up peaceful at a town city council meeting in dearborn
00:37:26.920
michigan i want you to hear what he says and then listen to the mayor's response i mean hezbollah um
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um you know bombed uh the embassy in beirut and including many americans so i just feel that's
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quite inappropriate you're an islamophobe and although you live here i want you to know as
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mayor you are not welcome here and the day you move out of the city will be the day that i launch
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a parade celebrating the fact that you moved out of the city because you are not somebody who believes
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in coexistence excuse me you know who doesn't believe in coexistence hezbollah
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hezbollah hezbollah does not believe in coexistence you are a racist and islamophobe because you stand
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against hezbollah what kind of america are you making in dearborn michigan when your mayor can get
00:38:20.920
away with saying that and there is not an uprising to oust and recall that mayor you are no longer living
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in an america that i even recognize to say that you are not welcome because you stand against hezbollah
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and the mayor will lead a parade the day you leave town you're not welcome here i've never heard an
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american mayor say anything like that ever i've never heard an american mayor say anything like that
00:38:53.160
especially at a city council meeting where you have people coming and that's their job to sit there and
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listen to the people and the voice of the people and take it under advisement to respond that way is
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chilling absolutely chilling now let me go to uh cut four this is brendan carr brendan carr is the
00:39:15.880
commissioner for the fcc he's a friend of the program um i generally agree with him and i want
00:39:22.120
to i want to parse this one out because this is all about jimmy kimmel and what happened to jimmy
00:39:28.200
kimmel and there is you know abc was looking at replacing jimmy kimmel months ago um they're using
00:39:36.440
this as a convenient uh way to get rid of him okay because they were looking for a replacement because
00:39:41.400
he has he has zero ratings zero ratings in the in the 18 what is it 1849 demo he had like 150 000
00:39:51.000
people watching lower than that oh that's that yeah it's lower than 129 000 129 000 129 000 that that is
00:40:00.360
insane that is the abc television network and 129 000 people why we get that on on some of our
00:40:09.160
youtube videos for the love of people aim to be clear glenn those that's lower than the ratings
00:40:13.400
that we had when we were doing a show on cnn headline headline news i mean it's unbelievable how
00:40:20.040
bad those unbelievable okay so they're just use abc is just using this as cover uh and he is getting
00:40:27.400
worse and worse and worse but um so the the sponsors the local affiliates and abc wanted this
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to happen but they're blaming it on brendan carr now i wanted to listen to this because pat i heard pat
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talking about this today on the place and uh he said we can't go this way i want to listen to it again
00:40:46.280
because when what i heard brendan say i was like i i think i actually agree with him but i'm not sure so
00:40:52.040
let's listen to it again here's cut four look again broadcast tv is different we're on a cable
00:40:57.640
show right now you don't have an fcc license you don't have an obligation to serve the public interest
00:41:02.760
podcasts don't either stand-up comedians whether they're on lots of forms of communications don't
00:41:07.640
and kimball is free to do that but if you have a broad stop stop stop stop stop stop and pause it right
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there first let's agree that's true now you don't have to agree with what the fcc does you don't have
00:41:20.680
to agree with the regulation on broadcast television that happened because of fdr um however
00:41:28.840
that is the law it is the law they they only censor broadcast television that's why when you're
00:41:36.360
watching something on you know on nbc you're watching i don't know quantum leap it just feels like
00:41:42.760
an old tv show because it's so so sanitized and so safe that's because it's regulated by the federal
00:41:48.600
government like it or not that is the law if you don't like it let's change the law but the law is
00:41:55.480
that there there are community standards community standards not national standards community standards
00:42:04.200
now listen to what he says next kimball is free to do that but if you have a broadcast tv license that
00:42:10.760
means that you have something that very few people have and you're excluding other people from having
00:42:16.280
access to that valuable public resource and it comes with an obligation to serve the public interest
00:42:20.920
and again over the years there's been a rule in place of the fcc that local tv stations get to preempt
00:42:27.480
programming that they don't think meets the needs of their communities but recently these national
00:42:31.720
programmers abc disney comcast nbc they've been exercising outsized control and power over those local tv
00:42:40.440
stations and there's been no pushback and this is a very significant moment because local broadcasters
00:42:45.560
are now pushing back on national programmers for the first time uh that i can think of in modern history
00:42:52.600
okay so what so listen to what he's saying here he's saying that you have and i i disagree with
00:42:59.320
this actually i don't like the fcc i never have liked the fcc i've done this for almost 50 years
00:43:04.040
believe me i my experience with the fcc but the fcc regulates what he said you have if you have a
00:43:10.600
broadcast license you have access to people something that everybody doesn't have and that is the air
00:43:15.960
space there are only so many frequencies available we don't need any of that anymore as long as the
00:43:22.440
internet stays alive okay you you we needed that before there was inter internet so you could broadcast
00:43:29.960
something to the whole country or to your local community so you have that frequency you know 95.5
00:43:38.200
uh on fm you have that frequency and that is licensed to you as long as you uphold community standards
00:43:45.480
and you are serving the public okay now the next thing he says is you have the right to preempt things
00:43:53.240
nationally if it doesn't serve your local interest now he gets into something here that i'm not aware of
00:43:59.240
and so this is where it could get fuzzy on me he says now they have outsized power the national
00:44:05.720
networks have outsized power and it's the first time local broadcast has pushed back on that outsized
00:44:12.360
power the license does not belong to the networks the license belongs to the local stations
00:44:19.560
what he went on to say is i am trying to empower the local stations that is where the power should be
00:44:27.880
not at the corporate level not at the uh national level not at the network level the ones that hold the
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license they're the ones who have the responsibility to serve the public and if that company says i don't
00:44:43.880
want to carry this show anymore i want to preempt this show that's where the power should be
00:44:49.080
not with the government but with the local license holder i don't know what the problem is on that