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00:00:30.000 It's Friday, and, you know, I don't like to waste your time, but I don't think the show today was a waste of anyone's time.

00:00:38.060 Yes, it was a little frivolous, and I was in a, there's a horse on the highway kind of mood.

00:00:45.680 You don't want to miss it. 0.98

00:00:46.880 Also, the HUD secretary, Scott Turner, was with us, and we talked about Mr. Krugman, the dumbest SOB on the planet. 0.85

00:00:55.940 We take him on, and what he said about tariffs and everything else, with Bayard Winthrop. 0.84

00:01:02.580 He is the CEO of an amazing American company making clothing.

00:01:06.900 And now, because of his partnership with Walmart, his making quality American t-shirts and selling them for 12 bucks couldn't have been done five years ago.

00:01:16.020 So, why is it happening now?

00:01:18.900 It has a little something to do with actually restoring manufacturing in America.

00:01:24.300 Important.

00:01:25.000 All on today's podcast.

00:01:26.920 First, let me tell you about a single mom. 0.78

00:01:29.740 Four kids, one income.

00:01:32.140 She is, you know, the protector of the house.

00:01:33.940 Last week, she was in this, you know, her creaking house that just feels too big at night.

00:01:39.460 Uh, and she thought she saw a shadow moving outside of her window.

00:01:45.900 All right.

00:01:47.060 My wife immediately is, like, freaked out by stuff like that, and she has a choice.

00:01:52.920 Do I grab my gun, or do I grab my burner launcher?

00:01:56.380 Well, she grabbed her burner launcher.

00:01:59.420 She needed something.

00:02:00.760 So, she grabbed it because she was prepared for whatever might come her way.

00:02:04.740 This time, thank God, it was nothing.

00:02:06.460 It was just a breeze blowing through the trees, uh, but what about next time?

00:02:11.020 The burner launcher is small enough to fit in your purse, but strong enough to drop an

00:02:15.140 intruder with a pepper blast, or a non-lethal projectile, or tear gas from 60 feet away.

00:02:23.020 No permits, no guilt, just the kind of safety you don't get with other non-lethal options.

00:02:28.380 Some of them are bulky.

00:02:29.860 They need reloading tricks.

00:02:31.400 You can't learn in a panic.

00:02:33.360 Reloading, you know, with burner, it's all simple.

00:02:36.460 You pull the trigger, and the hard part of the job is done.

00:02:39.980 It's not just a tool.

00:02:41.160 It's a promise to your kids that mom's going to keep them safe no matter what.

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00:02:53.920 You're listening to the best of the Glenn Beck program.

00:03:05.840 Hello, Stu.

00:03:07.280 Glenn, how are you?

00:03:08.060 You're fired up.

00:03:08.520 I can tell I'm fired.

00:03:09.680 Well, I got up early this morning, and I read Paul Krugman.

00:03:14.900 Why would you do that?

00:03:16.020 Well, because he would say about, you know, his op-ed on make sweatshops great again.

00:03:22.820 And I just had to see his ridiculous case, and then I just couldn't stop writing.

00:03:27.680 I don't even know if I started that monologue now.

00:03:30.540 I don't even know if I get to the end of it by the end of the show.

00:03:32.860 So I kind of just vomited, you know, Paul Krugman truths, and I can't wait to share as much of it as I can next hour.

00:03:43.940 But I wanted to start with something that I, you know, that Jessica Krause, do you know who she is? 0.98

00:03:53.840 It's Friday, so I just, I want you to know, I'm going off the rails just a little bit, but this is what she wrote on her sub stack.

00:04:00.060 Back in January, I predicted a split, too many divided sightings, too much distance, and Michelle Obama's absence at the inauguration was telling.

00:04:09.440 From the outside, they appeared to be leading separate lives, but the bigger story was whispers of his affair.

00:04:16.020 Don't get me started on the chef's drowning.

00:04:19.280 Right there, you have me hooked.

00:04:20.640 I'm there.

00:04:21.280 I'm there.

00:04:21.980 Okay, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute.

00:04:23.380 The chef's drowning up in Martha's Vineyard?

00:04:27.420 Yeah.

00:04:27.560 Okay.

00:04:28.580 Really?

00:04:28.940 What happened with that one?

00:04:30.860 For months, rumors of him and the actress weren't just idle gossip.

00:04:36.220 They came from well-placed sources on both coasts, the kind of people who would know.

00:04:41.760 And if there's one thing Hollywood women can't do, it's keep a good scandal quiet. 1.00

00:04:47.320 Trust me, I live through Depp versus Heard.

00:04:50.480 Today, I got unexpected confirmation from a longtime friend connected to LA's elite circles.

00:04:55.920 Oh, well, that's credibility for you there.

00:04:58.640 I mean, but I'm not dismissing it.

00:05:00.640 Please, please, please.

00:05:01.300 I'm all on board on this one.

00:05:02.520 I believe.

00:05:04.600 I believe.

00:05:06.220 Anyway, she's never been one for gossip, but reached out unprompted.

00:05:10.840 You were right.

00:05:12.380 I didn't want to believe it, but it's true, and it's getting around.

00:05:15.320 The twist, reportedly an open marriage arrangement, which might help sidestep a messy public split.

00:05:23.540 But make no mistake, Jennifer Aniston, with the good hair, isn't just a passing fling. 0.99

00:05:31.340 West Coast ladies say she's embedded in Barack Obama's world. 0.99

00:05:36.020 Wait, West Coast ladies are saying this? 1.00

00:05:38.480 Yeah, West Coast ladies. 1.00

00:05:39.280 All of them?

00:05:40.000 All of them.

00:05:40.300 So all ladies on the West Coast in unison? 0.83

00:05:41.740 I'm just reporting the news.

00:05:43.140 Okay.

00:05:44.680 Embedded in Barack Obama's world, too serious to be dismissed.

00:05:49.160 Ooh.

00:05:49.780 Will they ever go public?

00:05:52.600 I don't know.

00:05:53.180 I don't know.

00:05:53.600 Will they?

00:05:54.160 Won't they?

00:05:54.660 I don't know.

00:05:56.080 Do you care?

00:05:57.340 I'm curious if you care.

00:05:58.780 Strangely do.

00:05:59.700 Really?

00:06:00.040 Strangely do.

00:06:00.740 Why?

00:06:01.400 Why would you care about such a thing?

00:06:02.280 Well, first of all, it's an affair with Jennifer Aniston, and she should know about her,

00:06:07.980 because she's already made this movie.

00:06:09.940 It's called The Object of My Affection.

00:06:14.920 Isn't that a story about a romantic fling with her gay best friend? 0.81

00:06:18.840 I think that's what it was.

00:06:19.820 Have you actually seen that movie?

00:06:22.100 There's no way you've seen The Object of My Affection.

00:06:25.420 No.

00:06:25.740 Somebody on the staff this morning said that, and I'm like, I'm stealing that line.

00:06:30.340 I didn't even know what that movie was.

00:06:31.880 And they're like, what?

00:06:32.640 No, it's a Jennifer Aniston movie about how much she falls in love with her gay best friend.

00:06:37.760 And I'm like, you're right.

00:06:39.020 Right.

00:06:39.360 This is that movie.

00:06:44.560 Oh.

00:06:45.080 Now, the other reason why I bring this up is because I don't think we spent enough time on this yesterday.

00:06:51.880 Can we bring up the full screen of Michelle Obama?

00:06:55.780 We have a picture.

00:06:58.100 As of Wednesday night, one day after the launch, Michelle Obama's new podcast, which had a huge marketing push.

00:07:06.500 In fact, look it up, Stu.

00:07:07.660 See what it is now that it's Friday.

00:07:09.360 It only got 14,000 YouTube views in 15 hours on YouTube.

00:07:15.160 I could fart for an hour and we'd get more YouTube views than that.

00:07:20.720 But anyway, so here she is launching a new podcast.

00:07:26.280 And Gavin Newsom is launching a podcast.

00:07:29.360 Both of these people just think people are going to clamor.

00:07:32.500 You know, it's like we need a new Joe Rogan.

00:07:35.480 Well, good luck.

00:07:37.060 What are you, Frankenstein?

00:07:38.380 People like Joe Rogan because he's Joe Rogan.

00:07:41.380 He's honest.

00:07:42.220 He's coming to the plate with actually who he is.

00:07:45.220 You people don't even know who you are.

00:07:48.220 You have no idea.

00:07:50.040 Oh, but there are some.

00:07:51.040 There are some out there, Michelle, who know who you are, Big Mike.

00:07:54.920 I'm just saying.

00:07:55.620 I'm just saying.

00:07:57.460 You want some YouTube views?

00:07:59.800 Play into that.

00:08:01.660 All right.

00:08:02.400 I'm Michelle Obama and I just want you to know I'm not going to tell you on the next episode that I'm Big Mike.

00:08:08.240 But I'm not not going to tell you that either.

00:08:12.580 Million views without you even saying a word.

00:08:14.920 Million views.

00:08:16.380 I'm just here to help you out.

00:08:18.560 Now, I guess they are up after two days.

00:08:22.300 Last night was 157,000.

00:08:27.560 What is it now?

00:08:28.660 157,535.

00:08:30.220 Okay.

00:08:30.700 All right.

00:08:31.180 So 500 more people looked at it last night, which is great.

00:08:35.280 But 157,000 views.

00:08:36.980 It certainly follows the pattern of someone who's bought a bunch of views.

00:08:41.320 I don't know if that happened.

00:08:42.780 They're like, you don't have 14,000 over 12 hours.

00:08:46.520 157,000, you go all the way up to 157,000 in the next 24 hours.

00:08:50.880 And then the next 12 hours get 500.

00:08:52.860 That's a weird pattern.

00:08:55.100 Are you saying it couldn't happen?

00:08:58.520 I'm saying if the numbers as reported are accurate.

00:09:03.620 Yeah.

00:09:03.880 Because I didn't see 157,000 last night.

00:09:07.480 But if that's what it was, and now it's up to 157,535, yeah, it seems like that's not a thing that occurs.

00:09:13.960 Right?

00:09:14.440 Usually, it gains momentum.

00:09:15.880 People go crazy on it.

00:09:17.500 Usually, you don't just stop.

00:09:18.860 Maybe my numbers were wrong.

00:09:20.400 Maybe.

00:09:20.740 Maybe it wasn't 157.

00:09:22.360 Just like it's possible that West Coast ladies are wrong. 1.00

00:09:26.660 West Coast ladies are never wrong. 1.00

00:09:28.260 That was my impression.

00:09:29.540 I'm just trying to keep it.

00:09:30.960 I'm trying to keep all of our options open.

00:09:32.400 I mean, right now, the most important West Coast lady, Big Mike, is saying, they're never wrong.

00:09:37.600 They're never wrong.

00:09:38.300 I know it.

00:09:38.960 I know it.

00:09:39.380 I can't say it yet.

00:09:40.300 But it's Michelle Obama here.

00:09:43.680 I know it.

00:09:44.320 I'm sorry.

00:09:44.920 Big Mike.

00:09:46.520 So we got that going for us.

00:09:48.400 There we go.

00:09:49.120 Yeah.

00:09:49.560 Now, Chuck Schumer.

00:09:51.520 Again, it's Friday.

00:09:53.060 And this is kind of a big story.

00:09:54.660 But I just really want to share it because, I don't know, by the end of the week, me being as nice

00:10:01.820 as I possibly can all week.

00:10:04.500 By Friday, I just kind of want to vent a little bit.

00:10:07.600 Now, I did vent maybe on Wednesday.

00:10:10.080 I was going to say, you've been nice all week.

00:10:12.480 This is how you describe it.

00:10:14.820 I say all week.

00:10:15.400 I don't mean all week.

00:10:15.780 I don't mean God's week.

00:10:17.380 Okay.

00:10:17.880 Okay.

00:10:18.540 It's not like, you know.

00:10:19.900 You're just redefining week like we redefine the genders. 0.98

00:10:22.620 Thank you.

00:10:23.640 Thank you.

00:10:24.320 The last few hours.

00:10:25.760 Stu knows, Glenn.

00:10:26.780 Take it from Big Mike.

00:10:28.040 Stu knows.

00:10:29.940 So yesterday, do we happen to have the audio of Schumer yesterday?

00:10:39.020 Just saying, yeah.

00:10:41.280 We're okay.

00:10:41.960 All right.

00:10:43.240 I'm not going to shut down the government.

00:10:45.040 Listen to this.

00:10:45.480 I believe it is my job to make the best choice for the country to minimize the harms to the

00:10:53.200 American people.

00:10:54.820 Therefore, I will vote to keep the government open and not shut it down.

00:11:01.320 There is nobody in the world, nobody, who wants to shut the government down more than

00:11:06.780 Donald Trump and more than Elon Musk.

00:11:10.340 You should not give it to them.

00:11:11.820 And make no mistake, Donald Democrats will continue to fight what Donald Trump is doing.

00:11:18.700 Okay.

00:11:19.480 Let me just, before I give you my commentary, let me just appropriately frame what he just

00:11:25.820 said with this.

00:11:30.340 It is, by the way, that cost, just this cost a lot of money.

00:11:34.400 We had to find like the only guy in America that had a kaleidoscope and could play it.

00:11:40.140 So, just appreciate.

00:11:42.400 I just play this from time to time because it cost a lot of money.

00:11:45.800 For no apparent reason, I said yes to that deal.

00:11:49.600 So, I'm getting my money's worth on this.

00:11:52.080 Anyway.

00:11:52.640 And you're being critical of the way the federal government spends its money.

00:11:55.700 No, it's my money.

00:11:56.860 No, it's theirs. 0.94

00:11:58.540 They own it and they allow you to have some of it.

00:12:01.220 Oh.

00:12:01.440 That's how the government works.

00:12:03.140 Again, I'm telling you, it's Big Mike.

00:12:05.120 He knows what he's talking about, Glenn.

00:12:07.180 Okay.

00:12:07.800 Thank you.

00:12:08.280 So, here he is saying that he's going to keep the government open because there's nothing

00:12:19.100 more that Donald Trump wants more than the shutdown of the government.

00:12:25.820 Except Donald Trump was the one twisting everybody's arm and saying, I'm going to run, I'm going to campaign against Thomas

00:12:36.640 Massey because he didn't vote for the continuing resolution.

00:12:41.640 Somehow or another, there's nobody that wants it more.

00:12:45.580 I'm telling you right now.

00:12:47.220 Then Donald Trump, he wants to close it down.

00:12:49.780 Now, yes, he's been exerting all of his power.

00:12:53.080 He's been making threats to anybody who says they want to shut it down.

00:12:56.740 But he really, what he really wants, because he's usually so, he's usually so subtle.

00:13:04.260 He usually just doesn't come out and tell you what he really wants and what he's really going to do.

00:13:08.780 Okay.

00:13:09.980 This guy believes, actually believes that, or wants you to believe that he believes that.

00:13:16.980 He doesn't believe that at all.

00:13:17.720 He doesn't believe anything.

00:13:19.380 He doesn't believe anything.

00:13:20.440 And not to mention, the government could not have passed this without Republicans.

00:13:26.600 Right.

00:13:27.060 Literally could not have occurred.

00:13:29.020 Right.

00:13:29.340 Only Republicans could have made it happen.

00:13:31.700 Right.

00:13:31.860 Now, I don't necessarily see that as a huge compliment, frankly.

00:13:36.680 But that being said, there's no argument, no argument at all, that could possibly be made

00:13:42.980 that's coherent, that would allow for Chuck Schumer's opinion.

00:13:46.560 Now, that is something you can kind of put on repeat and apply every time he speaks.

00:13:49.920 Say it again.

00:13:51.560 Hang on just a second.

00:13:52.740 The appropriate music, Chris.

00:13:53.860 And it's not the kaleidoscope here.

00:13:55.340 Oh.

00:13:55.900 No.

00:13:57.460 Oh, yeah.

00:13:59.380 Turn down the lights on a Friday night.

00:14:01.860 Ladies.

00:14:02.500 I don't.

00:14:03.380 This is getting even creepier. 0.97

00:14:04.700 Because there's some conservative porn coming your way.

00:14:09.440 I don't have any idea what I said before. 0.90

00:14:12.100 Now, it's...

00:14:13.180 Something about Chuck Schumer that was bad.

00:14:16.640 I don't know.

00:14:17.140 Whatever it was.

00:14:18.960 And there it is.

00:14:19.980 No.

00:14:20.440 Friday night. 0.98

00:14:22.220 Conservative porn. 0.93

00:14:24.260 Thank you. 0.57

00:14:24.940 Thank you.

00:14:25.240 Thank you, Esther.

00:14:25.700 Appreciate it.

00:14:25.820 This is the...

00:14:26.780 Now, you really could have some pizza being ordered with that.

00:14:29.240 Do we have a doorbell?

00:14:30.300 Do we have pizza being ordered?

00:14:31.360 Play the music and then the doorbell, I think.

00:14:33.380 You go ahead.

00:14:33.780 You talk about Chuck Schumer here for a second.

00:14:36.240 Charles Schumer.

00:14:39.320 Pizza delivery.

00:14:41.580 Hello, lady. 1.00

00:14:42.580 Pizza delivery.

00:14:44.040 Wait.

00:14:44.500 Why is he at puberty yet? 0.98

00:14:45.880 He's in porn. 0.89

00:14:47.380 This is really disturbing. 0.98

00:14:48.740 It's Hollywood.

00:14:49.600 It's Hollywood.

00:14:50.460 Is this the Jared channel?

00:14:52.000 What is this?

00:14:53.700 I'm concerned.

00:14:54.600 It's Hollywood.

00:14:55.920 Oh, okay.

00:14:56.280 Well, that's true.

00:14:57.320 Actually, do that again.

00:14:58.620 Play the music again.

00:14:59.480 No.

00:14:59.580 Actually, if it's Hollywood, it's more like this.

00:15:04.500 A pizza delivery.

00:15:06.940 No.

00:15:09.020 How you doing, Stu?

00:15:11.080 Great, Glenn.

00:15:12.120 Good.

00:15:12.560 Great.

00:15:13.340 Yes.

00:15:13.900 It's been an interesting morning so far.

00:15:15.800 Wait until I get to Paul Krugman.

00:15:20.140 Oh, I can't wait for that.

00:15:21.140 It all started with Paul Krugman. 0.55

00:15:22.580 He's one of the most annoying people on the planet. 0.66

00:15:26.140 He's one of those people that lives in that intersection of ignorance and certainty. 0.98

00:15:33.900 A very dangerous intersection.

00:15:35.820 It's a very dangerous.

00:15:36.360 Do not cross. 0.99

00:15:37.640 No.

00:15:38.120 No matter what the light tells you, don't cross. 1.00

00:15:40.260 There should be a hospital on all four corners of that intersection.

00:15:45.140 Yeah.

00:15:46.280 That's true.

00:15:47.160 Yeah, right.

00:15:47.600 Because you are going to get destroyed when you walk in there.

00:15:50.440 Yes, you are.

00:15:50.740 And he does it all the time.

00:15:52.100 You know, perhaps most famously, the internet is never going to have more of an impact than

00:15:56.920 the fax machine.

00:15:58.360 And his body's still twitching in the middle of that intersection right now because of it.

00:16:04.840 I forgot about that one.

00:16:06.900 That's a good one.

00:16:07.900 It is.

00:16:08.500 Say it again.

00:16:09.560 Say it again.

00:16:10.280 What was it?

00:16:10.900 The internet is going to have only as much impact as the fax machine, which...

00:16:19.900 Paul Krugman.

00:16:23.100 It kind of wrecked you there, didn't it?

00:16:25.020 You crossed the streams with that stuff.

00:16:27.780 You put Paul Krugman on with that music.

00:16:30.600 Hey, I'm an out-of-the-box thinker.

00:16:31.820 Okay, that's what I do.

00:16:33.000 Get back in the box.

00:16:34.540 Lock the box.

00:16:36.540 Throw the box into the ocean.

00:16:38.720 Let it sink.

00:16:40.660 We have Scott Turner coming on in a minute.

00:16:42.460 Oh, I'm sure he's proud of this appearance.

00:16:44.720 He's like, he's right now listening, going, what the hell did you sign me up for today?

00:16:50.620 How do I fake bronchitis?

00:16:51.500 Yeah.

00:16:52.060 Scott Turner is on with us, Department of Housing and Urban Development.

00:16:58.540 He's the secretary of that.

00:17:00.200 And my first question is, I don't even know what HUD really does.

00:17:05.840 Is it necessary?

00:17:06.700 I mean, let's just tear it apart here for a second.

00:17:10.540 Housing.

00:17:11.780 You mean the United States government, the wing that just decided to build all of these really

00:17:18.160 wonderful 1960s housing projects that are all now crack houses that has everybody living

00:17:24.240 in them going, I'm afraid I can't get out of this trap.

00:17:27.340 I mean, houses is in the word crack houses.

00:17:30.600 Yeah, I know.

00:17:31.980 And they seem to somehow or another attract that.

00:17:34.660 There you go.

00:17:35.400 And then urban development.

00:17:38.500 Did we?

00:17:39.560 I mean, this is from the LBJ era.

00:17:43.220 Of course it is.

00:17:43.880 Right.

00:17:44.080 Of course it is.

00:17:44.740 So did we not have urban development before LBJ?

00:17:50.620 Did we need the government to go, do we want to start a Detroit?

00:17:55.320 Before everybody was just scattered around Michigan going, I don't know what to do.

00:17:59.620 We're out here on a farm.

00:18:01.000 There's no development in any urban area.

00:18:03.820 We don't know what to do.

00:18:04.880 Shockingly, the urban areas seem to be the most developed long before HUD came around.

00:18:10.760 Right.

00:18:11.160 So I want to ask him, what the hell do you guys even do?

00:18:16.080 And please tell me that you're thinking about shutting this one down, too, because I don't

00:18:20.260 really get it.

00:18:22.340 Too many agencies.

00:18:23.620 We don't need all these agencies.

00:18:26.240 This is what we're finding out with Doge, right?

00:18:29.560 And I don't know how much Doge-ing is going to happen at HUD.

00:18:32.500 Hopefully a lot.

00:18:33.520 Do you just, do you hate housing?

00:18:36.440 No, I hate urban development.

00:18:38.460 Any development.

00:18:39.240 Even rural development.

00:18:41.080 Rural development.

00:18:41.480 I despise all development.

00:18:43.740 I want to go, I'm like the left.

00:18:45.200 I want to go back to where there's, we turned, I'll write songs about complaining about turning

00:18:49.540 fields into parking lots and act like that's a really brilliant observation for years and

00:18:55.820 years and years.

00:18:57.840 It's 2 a.m.

00:18:58.860 The phone won't stop ringing.

00:19:00.600 It's your sister.

00:19:01.200 She's panicked.

00:19:01.820 Pharmacy's out of everything.

00:19:03.900 I can't do anything until tomorrow.

00:19:05.700 And then when I do, I have to drive every.

00:19:07.300 But it's understandable that she's on the panicky side.

00:19:10.500 Her son is sick.

00:19:11.720 You're sympathetic.

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00:19:21.480 You say, don't worry about it.

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00:19:25.800 Um, because I have the antibiotics and the, you know, from prescribed doctors, you know,

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00:20:07.380 Now back to the podcast.

00:20:09.020 You're listening to the best of the Glenn Beck program.

00:20:18.360 I just want you to know, we're bringing jobs back to America.

00:20:40.420 Hear this music?

00:20:42.180 Strangely, nobody makes 70s porn music anymore that you can just, you know, grab.

00:20:46.400 Uh, so we had to pay some people to make this for really no reason at all.

00:20:51.600 We just, we're putting people back to work just like the calliope music I just played.

00:20:55.760 Yeah.

00:20:56.240 Had to find an expert who actually had access to a calliope to make that.

00:21:00.280 We're bringing jobs back to America, America. 0.97

00:21:02.940 So you should just know that.

00:21:04.440 Um, we are, uh, we're thrilled to have our HUD secretary, uh, on with us.

00:21:08.520 And I've got a lot of questions.

00:21:10.240 Scott Turner is with us.

00:21:11.900 Department of housing and urban development, uh, secretary.

00:21:14.980 Scott, how are you, sir?

00:21:17.400 Glenn Beck.

00:21:18.320 Great to be with you again, sir.

00:21:19.880 Thank you.

00:21:20.440 It's good to have you.

00:21:21.660 Um, you, I mean, you're pretty safe now cause you've, you've gone through the confirmation

00:21:25.840 hearing.

00:21:26.400 So now, I mean, usually being on this show is the kiss of death, but congratulations on,

00:21:31.880 on getting through.

00:21:33.180 Um, thank you, sir.

00:21:34.160 So, uh, Scott, I got a couple of questions.

00:21:36.400 Um, department of, uh, housing and urban development are, are, is this part of the, Hey, let's trim

00:21:45.660 things down a bit.

00:21:47.040 This is a Johnson, uh, era thing.

00:21:50.320 And how can we fix it or get rid of it?

00:21:56.440 Well, you know, Glenn, that's a great question.

00:21:58.380 Uh, we, first of all, HUD has failed in its most basic mission over the last several years.

00:22:05.140 And that's to serve the most vulnerable population of our country, families and individuals as

00:22:10.940 it pertains to housing, as it pertains to homelessness and disaster recovery.

00:22:15.740 And so we literally are in the middle of taking inventory, uh, but you haven't heard that word

00:22:21.060 in a long time, inventory of every program at HUD to make sure that the mission that we've

00:22:27.860 been called to do is this program helping us to fulfill this mission, or is this program

00:22:33.480 not helping us to fulfill this mission?

00:22:35.400 And if it's not, then we need to get rid of it.

00:22:37.440 And so we're taking a holistic view of every program, maximizing the budget, personnel,

00:22:42.800 everything at HUD to make sure, man, that we are efficient, that we effective.

00:22:47.460 And according to president Trump's leadership, streamline and the processes so that we can

00:22:52.320 best serve the American people.

00:22:54.240 And so that's a great question, man.

00:22:56.100 And we are right in the middle of that right now, because we are laser focused on the mission

00:23:00.660 at HUD.

00:23:01.340 Okay.

00:23:01.440 So let's talk about, cause you were just in California, I think North Carolina as well

00:23:05.920 on the ground.

00:23:07.320 Um, and I mean, I was, I was on the ground in North Carolina.

00:23:12.780 And what I saw FEMA and everybody else doing was absolutely, absolutely an abomination.

00:23:18.300 Um, the, the, the key seems to be to get government out of the way, how to have the government just

00:23:26.500 maybe take some red tape away and try to help people, you know, and there are things that

00:23:34.260 the government can do and should do when the private sector can't do it.

00:23:39.020 What are you seeing on the ground?

00:23:40.580 Let's say in California that you can help cut the red tape or, or actually do the right

00:23:48.220 thing to bring some sanity and some help to the people who have lost their homes, both

00:23:52.520 in California and, uh, North Carolina.

00:23:55.920 Well, Glenn, you're exactly right.

00:23:57.580 And first of all, thank you for you and your team and the work that you're doing when it

00:24:01.500 comes to disaster recovery.

00:24:02.920 We were, uh, in California and Los Angeles, both in the Palisades and Altadena neighborhood.

00:24:09.440 It's devastating.

00:24:10.640 As you know, it's heartbreaking to see, uh, just, uh, what the wildfires did and people

00:24:16.720 lost their homes.

00:24:17.940 Schools were lost.

00:24:18.960 Churches were lost.

00:24:19.760 But we had an opportunity to meet with families, to meet with church leaders, to meet with community

00:24:24.980 leaders and to hear their stories, to hear their testimony of what happened.

00:24:29.180 Uh, and so a lot of that is burdensome regulations.

00:24:32.980 People want to rebuild their lives.

00:24:34.780 They want to restore their communities, but the government is in the way, the government

00:24:39.420 has to get out of the way.

00:24:41.160 The results that I have seen both in LA and in Asheville, North Carolina, the people are

00:24:46.900 doing the work, faith-based organizations are doing the work, nonprofits are doing the work,

00:24:52.760 but the government stands in the way with so much red tape as you alluded to and bureaucracy.

00:24:57.620 So, so we have to do a better job.

00:25:00.540 Oh, sorry about that, Glenn.

00:25:01.620 We have to do a better job as conveners in the government, uh, to bring people together

00:25:06.240 and then let them do the work.

00:25:07.840 And that's the key both in LA and in Asheville.

00:25:10.660 So there's a couple of things.

00:25:11.700 First of all, I don't think it's the federal government in California that's staying. 0.95

00:25:15.460 It's California government that is just is insane.

00:25:20.200 Um, can you do anything about that?

00:25:22.780 And in Asheville, I know there was a DEI Asheville draft action plan that you guys just thank

00:25:29.460 God stopped.

00:25:30.420 They were in the midst of completely redesigning that area, uh, and putting in all kinds of

00:25:39.660 DEI stuff, ESG stuff, which would have transformed that community into something it never was and

00:25:47.440 never wanted to be.

00:25:48.280 Am I wrong?

00:25:49.560 Right.

00:25:49.820 So, no, sir, you're right.

00:25:51.580 So I'll answer your second question.

00:25:53.280 First, we did, we were informed that the draft action plan, uh, in Asheville, Carolina, uh,

00:25:59.620 North Carolina did have DEI elements in it.

00:26:02.940 And DEI and the federal government, according to President Trump's executive order, DEI is

00:26:07.820 over.

00:26:08.220 And here at HUD, DEI is dead.

00:26:10.940 And it's right.

00:26:11.520 It was literally, uh, re-engineering.

00:26:14.040 And so we, uh, said, this is not acceptable.

00:26:16.960 This is not appropriate.

00:26:18.060 We will not fund, uh, the draft action plan as it is because it pertains DEI.

00:26:23.220 And so they have come back to us.

00:26:25.180 They've been compliant, uh, to work with us so that they can, uh, renew their draft action

00:26:29.940 plan.

00:26:30.300 And for, for not just Asheville, North Carolina, but for everyone who wants HUD funded grants,

00:26:36.020 we will not accept any DEI element of any kind, uh, but they have, uh, thankfully been

00:26:42.140 compliant with us.

00:26:42.980 And so hopefully their new draft action plan, uh, we can work with.

00:26:46.100 And going back to California, in particular in LA, I met with the leadership out there

00:26:50.440 and I said, listen, we need to take inventory from a local and state perspective.

00:26:54.840 What are you doing that is hindering the redevelopment and the rebuilding and the revitalization

00:26:59.760 of the communities?

00:27:00.560 Because I have heard from the people, they want to restore their families.

00:27:04.540 They want to rebuild their businesses and rebuild their neighborhoods, but the government

00:27:08.700 is in the way.

00:27:09.600 And if you're seeing what I'm seeing, there's no way that you cannot go back to the drawing

00:27:14.060 board.

00:27:14.300 It's okay.

00:27:15.500 What do we need to get rid of?

00:27:17.280 What, uh, burdensome regulations do we need to cut so that our people can rebuild?

00:27:21.780 Uh, and so hopefully, uh, that we can continue to firmly encourage that.

00:27:26.340 But is it government for federal government regulation that is the biggest problem?

00:27:32.080 I mean, I, I'm glad we're cutting all the federal government red tape, you know, that

00:27:36.100 we can, um, but it appears to me to be insane California government and the federal government.

00:27:44.120 That's exactly right.

00:27:45.080 Can they do, can the federal government get involved in that?

00:27:47.700 I mean, 10th amendment.

00:27:49.480 Well, it is, it's local.

00:27:50.940 It's the state county city, both in LA and in Asheville.

00:27:54.980 You know, I've heard from the people there.

00:27:57.080 It's the, it's the local and it's the state, uh, governments that are in a way and the

00:28:01.680 county governments that in a way we can do what we can from a federal standpoint, but

00:28:06.280 it's the local and state governments that really, uh, make the biggest difference.

00:28:10.140 There is a story from the New York daily news.

00:28:12.220 And I think we need the conservative porn music on this one just to read the headline.

00:28:15.760 Uh, here's a headline from New York daily.

00:28:18.580 I'm sorry to do this secretary.

00:28:19.980 I mean, you're a credible individual and I'm destroying it for you.

00:28:23.680 Uh, this has nothing to do with him.

00:28:26.360 HUD's New York city office left with just one management employee after the Trump cuts.

00:28:33.020 Oh yeah.

00:28:34.260 Okay.

00:28:35.220 Uh, is that, uh, a, is that true in, uh, what, what's, what's happening?

00:28:42.460 And, you know, I'm sure everybody is saying, oh my gosh, the chaos is great.

00:28:46.600 Has there been any chaos with this in New York city?

00:28:49.540 Well, I mean, there's chaos everywhere, uh, not just for HUD, you know, in New York,

00:28:55.660 no, no, no, but I mean, right.

00:28:57.080 I mean, from these cuts, I mean, is it, is, are people starving on the streets more than

00:29:01.920 they were the day before?

00:29:04.080 No.

00:29:04.560 So, and let me set the record straight, president Trump, his administration, uh, our leadership

00:29:10.760 here at HUD, we want to streamline our programs.

00:29:14.800 As I said before, we're taking inventory of every program.

00:29:18.040 We want to make sure that we're being efficient and effective.

00:29:21.940 We are laser focused on the mission that we have here, Glenn at HUD, the critical functions

00:29:28.060 that we have and that we're supposed to carry out.

00:29:30.520 We continue to carry those out day by day.

00:29:33.960 Consolidation does not mean that we're not able to serve the people, no matter their geography.

00:29:40.220 And so if someone's not located in a specific area, it doesn't mean that the people that they're

00:29:45.540 supposed to serve are not being served.

00:29:47.680 So that's fake news.

00:29:48.800 That's just, the rumors are, well, we're cutting everything.

00:29:51.700 We're not going to be able to serve the people that we're supposed to serve.

00:29:54.660 Well, it's the exact opposite.

00:29:56.220 We're serving people better by the way we're streamlining and making things more effective.

00:30:01.840 Over the last four years, like I said before, HUD has not even fulfilled its basic obligation.

00:30:07.240 But now with streamlining, we're taking inventory, with consolidation, we'll actually be able

00:30:13.100 to serve them in an even more efficient and effective manner.

00:30:16.720 Well, I mean, this is something that politicians don't usually know because usually politicians,

00:30:20.900 you know, are either lawyers or they went right into politics, the professional politicians.

00:30:26.540 And a lawyer has never built a business.

00:30:29.140 They never have built a business.

00:30:30.660 Lawyers are paid to say no to the people in business because they're there to protect.

00:30:37.000 And they don't understand private industry at all.

00:30:40.900 And, you know, the one thing that private industry understands is when the company is going out

00:30:50.380 of business, yeah, there might be a little chaos when somebody comes in and says, you know

00:30:55.580 what, we're going to save the company and we can do things better and listen to our customer

00:31:02.080 better, but we're going to have to cut all of the crap and all of the stuff that's not necessary

00:31:07.660 and all the jobs of people that aren't, aren't needed anymore or not working anymore. 0.59

00:31:12.480 We're going to have to do some rehiring after we fire.

00:31:14.920 And there is that transition period.

00:31:17.020 But if you've ever been in the free market and worked for an actual company, you've been

00:31:23.320 through this before.

00:31:25.160 You've been through it.

00:31:26.160 Everybody has.

00:31:27.120 But for some reason, the federal government just doesn't think they ever have to go through

00:31:30.680 that.

00:31:31.620 You know, we've had this, we've had this system going since the Johnson administration.

00:31:36.000 We can't change anything.

00:31:38.320 Everything has changed since the Johnson administration.

00:31:42.740 That's exactly right.

00:31:43.880 And Glenn, you know, and you talk about the private sector, you talk about people that

00:31:48.740 have come from a business background and a business mindset.

00:31:52.640 And that, you know, with President Trump's leadership, that's what's going on.

00:31:55.800 We have people that have been involved in the private sector, people that have built

00:31:59.640 businesses, worked in business, and transition is taking place.

00:32:04.260 Change is taking place.

00:32:06.880 But, you know, when change comes, it's hard.

00:32:09.960 It's uncomfortable.

00:32:11.800 But when you go through an uncomfortable situation, that means there's growth.

00:32:16.320 That means that you're not stagnated.

00:32:18.080 That means that you're not complacent.

00:32:20.100 Complacency literally has stifled our country.

00:32:23.840 It's stifled the growth in our country.

00:32:26.500 It's stifled ingenuity and innovativeness.

00:32:28.760 And so we're coming in under President Trump's leadership and say, hey, man, this is a time

00:32:34.780 of change.

00:32:35.580 And when you prune things, it hurts.

00:32:37.820 But after pruning comes growth, comes fruition.

00:32:42.260 And so that's what's going on in our country.

00:32:44.080 You know what?

00:32:44.560 When I was in the NFL, Glenn, you know, I was uncomfortable a lot.

00:32:48.800 And, you know, they put the film on every Monday and it made you uncomfortable.

00:32:54.720 But for those two hours that you watch film, you got to see, hey, where am I strong and

00:32:59.840 where am I weak?

00:33:00.700 What changes need to be made in my play so that I could be the best player I can for our

00:33:05.980 team?

00:33:06.280 And so that's what we're doing here at HUD and in this administration.

00:33:09.820 We're watching film and we're identifying the weaknesses.

00:33:13.300 We're identifying the strengths.

00:33:15.080 And that's what's going on.

00:33:16.440 And you know what?

00:33:16.840 That's hard.

00:33:17.600 But the American people voted 77 million strong for change and for transition.

00:33:23.680 And so that's what we're carrying out.

00:33:25.260 You know, I was just talking to, I think it was Sage Steele this week I was talking to.

00:33:29.740 And she said, you know, when somebody walks into, you know, the NFL and you're being cut,

00:33:36.760 these big, huge, strong guys sometimes will just break down in tears and cry because that's

00:33:42.140 what they've always wanted to do.

00:33:43.740 And they know this is the place to be the very best.

00:33:48.060 You want to play football.

00:33:49.360 You have to be the very best.

00:33:51.680 And not everybody, even though you might be a good football player, you're not the cream

00:33:56.640 of the crop.

00:33:57.340 And that's the way all of our businesses should be.

00:33:59.960 That's the way that our government should be.

00:34:02.760 You know, I'm sorry.

00:34:03.600 You might be a really good person, but we have to be the most efficient.

00:34:07.680 We have to be the best at what we do or we shouldn't be doing it.

00:34:12.980 And so I'm sorry.

00:34:14.080 You are going to have to watch the films.

00:34:16.140 You are going to have to get better every single day.

00:34:18.940 And we are cutting some of you.

00:34:20.920 I know that's going to make you cry, but it should also be in, it should also tell you

00:34:25.880 something.

00:34:26.680 That's why you wanted to work here because it was inspiring because we were the best at

00:34:30.920 what we do.

00:34:31.960 And the government's not the best at what they do on anything, anything.

00:34:35.520 Yes, sir.

00:34:36.380 Yes, sir.

00:34:36.740 You're right.

00:34:37.200 And you know, I've been cut before in the NFL and it does hurt.

00:34:42.220 And so you take inventory of yourself.

00:34:44.300 You take inventory of yourself as an individual, as a player.

00:34:47.960 And here at HUD, we are specifically saying, how do we put the people, the best people in

00:34:55.960 the right place to do the best job to serve the American people?

00:35:00.340 Not just for now, Glenn, but literally for generations to come for the posterity of our nation.

00:35:06.620 We're making a hard, healthy decisions right now.

00:35:09.940 And one thing I will say to you and to those, to your listeners, we are very clear here at

00:35:16.500 HUD to be very deliberate and to be very specific and surgical about everything we do.

00:35:22.960 We have a critical mission.

00:35:24.800 HUD is like no other place.

00:35:26.980 We serve the most vulnerable people of our nation and we understand that.

00:35:30.920 And so we're strategic in the moves that we make.

00:35:33.800 We're surgical and precise in the decisions that we make on a daily basis so that we can

00:35:39.900 carry out this mission in the most powerful, effective, and efficient manner.

00:35:43.600 And that starts with me and my team on a daily basis so people can rest assured that's our

00:35:48.880 heartbeat here.

00:35:49.700 Our Secretary of Department of Housing and Urban Development, Scott Turner.

00:35:52.840 Scott, thank you so much.

00:35:53.840 Keep up the good work.

00:35:54.700 Say hi to everybody that is doing this work as well.

00:35:57.600 We're on your side.

00:35:58.560 Thank you.

00:35:59.420 Thank you.

00:35:59.980 Bye-bye.

00:36:00.260 This is the best of the Glenn Beck podcast.

00:36:05.400 I saw Paul Krugman making sweatshops great again.

00:36:10.500 His old man screaming at the sky rant.

00:36:14.760 And Paul Krugman is wrong on almost everything.

00:36:18.600 Almost everything.

00:36:19.860 If Paul Krugman says this is the way the world is going, go the opposite direction. 1.00

00:36:24.700 But anyway, it's just such a stupid rant. 0.99

00:36:27.680 And he starts with, nobody wants to make things in America. 1.00

00:36:30.420 You don't want to make sweatshirts and socks in America.

00:36:34.380 Those days are over.

00:36:36.860 Really, are they?

00:36:38.440 I know one guy.

00:36:40.240 I called him up this morning.

00:36:41.220 He's on the West Coast.

00:36:42.340 And I'm like, Byard, can you come on today?

00:36:45.060 Because you should answer Krugman on, nobody wants to make American clothing or anything here.

00:36:52.800 Have you ever heard of American Giant?

00:36:55.500 For a while, they were an advertisement.

00:36:56.940 I don't know if they still are.

00:36:58.180 I think they are.

00:36:59.380 But American-giant.com.

00:37:02.520 I have fallen in love with this company.

00:37:04.360 They make everything in America.

00:37:05.700 And they do it because they think it's important to bring these jobs back.

00:37:10.020 And this is something that Byard has been doing for, well, since I think 2010 or 11.

00:37:15.780 And it is important and very, very hard to do.

00:37:20.080 Byard, welcome to the program.

00:37:21.520 CEO and founder of American Giant.

00:37:24.560 Glenn, thanks for having me on.

00:37:25.900 Why would anybody want to make clothing here in America?

00:37:31.840 That's old-timey, old-fashioned stuff.

00:37:35.200 Yeah, I got to tell you, Glenn, this is such a classic example to me of an economist in a white tower that has never taken the time to get out and get on the factory floor and understand what's actually happening in an industry.

00:37:45.940 I mean, he is just wrong on so many levels on this point.

00:37:49.040 And it's just infuriating to me.

00:37:51.660 So explain to me why we would want those.

00:37:56.340 Because he was making this case that Trump tariffs, he's thinking that he's going to bring underpants and socks back to America.

00:38:04.620 And that's not the technology we need.

00:38:06.800 We need chips, which we do.

00:38:09.980 But we need all the industries.

00:38:12.500 Make the case that what Trump is doing with the tariffs is good, from your point of view.

00:38:18.660 And why your style of manufacturing is not something we should dismiss.

00:38:25.380 Yeah, I mean, I'll sort of come at it from a few different angles.

00:38:28.220 I think, to start with, and most basically, are we interested in having good-paying, stable jobs for working Americans?

00:38:37.040 Not everybody is going to be a Google engineer.

00:38:40.080 And do we like those jobs?

00:38:41.600 And do we like those jobs maybe even particularly for workers that choose not to go to college or that are first-generation Americans?

00:38:48.240 And I'm firmly in the camp of saying we need an economy that provides lots of jobs for every level of the economic sector, not just for people that are working in California.

00:38:59.480 That's one point.

00:39:00.620 I think the second point is, and you made this point earlier, industries are integrated and interrelated.

00:39:06.320 And if you knock out one key tentpole, the whole thing gets unstable.

00:39:10.080 I'll just give you two quick examples of that.

00:39:11.420 But the textile industry is fundamentally involved in the military and supporting the military and, in case we forget, PPE during the pandemic.

00:39:21.060 For those of you, and Glenn, I know you know this, but for those of you who maybe have forgotten, we had lost the ability to make gowns and masks.

00:39:27.340 And, in fact, our facility in North Carolina and a handful of other facilities that are still making things here had to retool our plants to make masks to get them onto frontline workers that were trying to save people that were sick.

00:39:39.120 And that was taking a T-shirt facility like mine and totally changing what we do every day.

00:39:44.360 So we had basically effectively lost that capability and handed it over to China, and China was throttling the supply of those things to us.

00:39:52.480 So it is not as simple as saying socks.

00:39:55.220 The textile industry is a very dimensional, very broad industry that I think is actually quite fundamental to the viability of the country.

00:40:02.040 And, Byron, as I look at this, there's only two ways to go.

00:40:06.700 You just concentrate on one industry and one that is already putting more people out of work through AI than any other industry, and that is the tech sector.

00:40:17.460 So you can concentrate on that and say that's the only one that matters.

00:40:21.400 But if you let everything else fail, you have two choices.

00:40:26.860 You have to fund, because you can't afford to do it any other way, you have to fund the steel plants and everything else.

00:40:34.660 So we have some way to make something in case there is an emergency, or you just encourage people to continue to make these things.

00:40:46.380 So when things do break down, and they always do, we have the ability to live.

00:40:54.560 It's like if every farmer was so – and believe me, the government would like to say this to every farmer and rancher – we don't need you anymore, because we can get that food cheaper someplace else. 1.00

00:41:04.800 That is stupid. 1.00

00:41:06.760 That is a death sentence to America. 1.00

00:41:08.680 Well, and part of that conversation is about control, that if industries move wholesale, overseas, you lose control of those industries.

00:41:18.780 So whether that's pharmaceuticals or textiles or ag, eventually if the control and the capability shifts entirely overseas, you are at those countries' mercy.

00:41:28.720 So there is a fundamental – and in my perspective, and I think this is broadly shared, that it's a national security conversation as well.

00:41:35.420 Now, I'll say one other thing on the tariff comment.

00:41:38.460 Right now, what is happening in textiles in China is unconscionable.

00:41:43.200 It is essentially being used slave labor, subsidized work to underpin our industry.

00:41:49.200 And tariffs, in part, begin to mitigate that differential.

00:41:52.460 So everyone thinks about this as a warping economic factor.

00:41:55.460 And I actually think that that's a mischaracterization of it, that we are asking our domestic facilities, in textiles and outside of textiles, to compete on a completely uneven playing field.

00:42:06.140 In some ways, it's at its most dramatic in textiles.

00:42:08.660 And to level that back out again and put American factories and workers back into a position where they can compete, I think historically, whenever we've done that, we've outcompeted our international competitors.

00:42:17.700 So it is, in my mind, a very necessary step towards rebalancing this and giving our industries a chance to get reinvigorated and restarted again that we've essentially let go for the last 40 years.

00:42:29.200 And by the way, mainstream economists have been consistently wrong on this issue.

00:42:33.400 And Krugman nods at this in his article, like, I will concede.

00:42:36.680 Yeah, well, that is, that's the story here, that there's this postulating from some hill until finally saying, oh, I've gotten this wrong and reeling it back little by little.

00:42:46.580 But they have been wrong on this issue for 40 years.

00:42:49.240 So it's nice to see finally an administration that's beginning to turn the clock back a little bit on this.

00:42:53.720 So when you see the tariffs, because I'm not a tariff guy.

00:42:57.940 However, what Trump is talking about with tariffs are a couple of things.

00:43:02.260 One, if you're an enemy of our country, China, there's no such thing as a level of playing field. 0.93

00:43:07.880 We'll do what we have to do because you're an enemy of ours or you're at least a unfair competitor of ours.

00:43:13.460 With Mexico and Canada, tariffs that I'm really not happy the way they're being handled, but I understand what he's trying to do.

00:43:21.140 Let's make sure that, A, we return as much industry here as we can.

00:43:25.980 But also, you've got some very unfair trade with us, so we'll just mimic what you do.

00:43:34.160 And I think what people really miss is Donald Trump knows the end of total globalism is over.

00:43:42.620 It's just over.

00:43:43.780 And he's trying to use the tariffs to incentivize people, companies, come back to America.

00:43:50.520 We will make it worth your while.

00:43:52.160 And that has to be done.

00:43:54.720 Where do you stand on the tariffs and if you're seeing anything, for instance, in your field that where they're working or that looks like they might work?

00:44:03.240 Well, I hear you on tariffs being a blunt instrument.

00:44:06.760 I want to make one point, though, that is directly relevant to us.

00:44:10.420 As you know, we were approached by Walmart about two years ago, and they were trying to make some progress on making stuff in the United States,

00:44:20.300 a piece of which was textiles, and they needed some help and guidance.

00:44:23.540 That partnership ended up in us now having a line of T-shirts in Walmart that are retailing for $12.

00:44:29.400 I want to just stop on that for a second because what that means is you have American Giant and Walmart coming together,

00:44:34.660 two pretty unlikely partners, and through their commitment to volume and a time commitment over time with us,

00:44:40.420 allowed us to work with our industrial partners through our supply chain to get a T-shirt on the shelves for working Americans for $12 at retail.

00:44:48.400 Made here in America.

00:44:49.780 Made entirely from U.S. cotton all the way through the needle in the finished product, all made in the United States.

00:44:55.760 Wow.

00:44:56.340 And that is a window on maybe what tariffs can do.

00:44:59.800 And your concerns about them notwithstanding for a moment,

00:45:02.660 it does provide a fence around industries that give them time to invest and amortize their investments.

00:45:08.500 And in that regard, that really is a hopeful sign for me because I think in a lot of industries,

00:45:13.640 we need a bit, a moment here to breathe, get retooled, to invest a little bit with some confidence that that marketplace is going to be viable for a bit to put us back on a more competitive footing.

00:45:23.880 So I think it is a piece of the puzzle about this reindustrialization effort that we need to engage in now.

00:45:29.360 So the other thing is, you know, you just brought up $12 T-shirts, which is fantastic.

00:45:34.980 I'm so happy.

00:45:36.080 I mean, you know, when we first met, I was convinced you're going to change, you're going to change the world.

00:45:41.440 You're going to change the way manufacturing is done here in America with clothing.

00:45:45.520 Just, I mean, you're so passionate about it.

00:45:47.940 I'm so happy for you that you're getting this kind of movement and partners where you can offer a $12 T-shirt.

00:45:56.700 That was impossible six years ago, five years ago. 0.98

00:46:01.520 Impossible, unless it was just absolute crap, right? 0.98

00:46:05.980 That's right. 0.94

00:46:06.680 I mean, if you'd asked me whether that was possible, I would have said maybe we can get to $19 or $20.

00:46:12.720 But what happened there, to be clear, is that that partner, Walmart, stood up and said,

00:46:18.440 we're going to commit to you for a long period of time and at a high volume.

00:46:21.760 And that is what the marketplace has lacked in every industry, because it's been cheaper and easier for all of these big corporations that are getting fantastically rich to just offshore.

00:46:30.500 And so to have some mechanism to say, wait a second, there's an incentive to actually stay here.

00:46:36.400 Amazing things happen beyond even what I thought.

00:46:38.000 You and I talked about this at some point off the air years ago about the structural challenges about textiles.

00:46:43.040 And that's a big one, which is it needs a commitment of time and a commitment of volume.

00:46:46.960 And tariffs do do that in some degree.

00:46:49.900 And I think that is going to create some market turbulence for a bit here as we kind of rebalance the economy.

00:46:56.260 But it is going to provide, I believe, in some measure, a bit of that breathing room to allow industries like ours to stand up a bit and get going again.

00:47:04.320 So it may not be the sole answer, but I'm grateful that there is some movement finally happening here.

00:47:11.060 I'm talking to Bayard Winthrop.

00:47:12.740 He's a friend and also the founder and CEO of American Giant, an American clothing company.

00:47:19.240 The one last thing I want to cover.

00:47:21.620 I am so sick and tired of all of these arguments coming back down about price.

00:47:27.360 And only because I understand that people can't afford things.

00:47:30.320 I get it.

00:47:30.920 But we're talking thousand dollar phones from Apple, iPhone.

00:47:37.120 Well, gee, I can't afford that thousand dollar phone.

00:47:40.920 Well, if that thousand dollar phone is made unethically in what really is modern day slavery at a scale the West really never considered, even possible 200 years ago.

00:47:55.440 So then it's it's wrong of us.

00:47:58.160 And everybody who is saying, well, we need cheap, cheap, cheap, cheap, cheap.

00:48:01.560 If it's made by slaves, it's not good.

00:48:05.460 We shouldn't be doing that.

00:48:07.120 Does that play the moral side of this at all?

00:48:09.520 Does that play with your head like it does mine?

00:48:12.180 Byron?

00:48:12.300 Of course.

00:48:13.960 I mean, if you think about the United States, you know, our our our citizens have put into place laws that we care about,

00:48:20.160 that we fought hard over, that we've debated publicly and landed on some measurement of OSHA standards to make factories safe and environmental standards.

00:48:28.800 So we're not dumping textile dye into waters.

00:48:31.740 And for us then to say, well, wait a second, we're going to apply that to our factories,

00:48:35.280 but we're not going to apply it to some factory in Xinjiang, China, where we're going to allow some massive apparel organization to go over there and exploit that differential.

00:48:43.320 It's it is it's those two things are inconsistent and they drive me wild to drive me wild.

00:48:49.000 And by the way, you know, 40 years ago, that wasn't the case.

00:48:52.220 Forty years ago, 95 percent of the clothing we bought was made in the United States.

00:48:55.940 And as far as I can remember, we could afford it back then.

00:48:58.180 We could afford a T-shirt and a sweatshirt and they were the envy of the world.

00:49:01.320 And this trade policy that has opened the floodgates by a bunch of really smart economists sitting up at Harvard have gotten it wrong,

00:49:08.280 have gotten it fundamentally wrong.

00:49:10.060 And it is undermined, in my mind, the capability and the viability of the country.

00:49:13.900 And we've got to get back to some version where we've got a robust industry across every sector of our economy.

00:49:21.360 Bayard, I can't tell you how happy I am for you.

00:49:23.820 You're the success of American Giant.

00:49:25.940 I mean, I just love you guys and love you.

00:49:28.460 Bayard, thank you.

00:49:29.700 Thanks, Glenn.

00:49:30.260 You bet.

00:49:30.720 Bayard Winthrop, American Giant.

00:49:33.640 Find them at American-Giant.

00:49:35.000 This is not a commercial.

00:49:35.840 American-Giant.com.

00:49:37.560 They are amazing.

00:49:39.320 Truly amazing.

00:49:40.000 Their clothing is really good.

00:49:41.340 All made in America. 0.98

00:49:43.680 Love their stuff.

00:49:44.320 It's great.

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The Glenn Beck Program - March 14, 2025

Best of the Program ｜ Guests： Sec. Scott Turner & Bayard Winthrop ｜ 3⧸14⧸25

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