The Glenn Beck Program - April 19, 2023


Best of the Program ｜ Guests： Sen. Charlie Seraphin & Kash Patel ｜ 4⧸19⧸23


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Fox News has settled with Tucker Carlson for $787 million. What does that mean for the future of the network? And what does it tell us about the culture of corporate media? Plus, why is it so important to be in the "cool kids club"?

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00:00:00.000 We talk about the whole Fox News settlement thing today, and we didn't get into this, but Jim Gary wrote a piece, and he said three things to learn from this, from a big media company perspective.
00:00:12.620 One, there can be catastrophic financial consequences for adopting or repeating the lies of the former president.
00:00:19.940 Two, the network's responsible journalism is not a useful legal defense against the network's irresponsible and defamatory journalism.
00:00:27.860 Wow.
00:00:28.220 And three, this one I think is interesting, because I think this one is probably really going to happen, which is, it is unlikely that networks like Fox News can afford to keep loose canon hosts anymore.
00:00:40.780 And I think this is going to be the lesson from a lot of these, especially on the right, corporate media types that are going to say, we can't take chances with people who say things that are risky, because we might lose $787 million.
00:00:54.000 Right.
00:00:54.220 It won't happen on CNN.
00:00:55.640 No.
00:00:55.740 It won't happen on MSNBC.
00:00:57.020 But it will happen on Fox.
00:00:59.480 And let me ask you, who do they define as a loose canon?
00:01:03.360 Right.
00:01:03.920 You know, exactly.
00:01:05.100 It's not going to be, you know, of course, you do have a responsibility as a broadcasting company to keep a legitimate loose canon off the air.
00:01:12.960 I think Tucker fits that.
00:01:15.620 That's what they will say.
00:01:16.500 But they won't say that.
00:01:17.540 Maybe Tucker's big enough because he's so popular that he can avoid, and again, I think the way he handled that particular case, I mean, he was outwardly skeptical of wild claims.
00:01:28.060 I don't think they have any case against him here.
00:01:29.760 But every time blah, blah, blah, media matters releases a report, there's going to be the sphincters of the executives are going to clench thinking about these types of settlements.
00:01:43.600 And it's just another way for the left to control speech.
00:01:48.500 Yep.
00:01:49.480 Yep.
00:01:50.220 They always, even if the left doesn't win, they win.
00:01:56.680 It's always lose-lose for the right.
00:01:58.960 Always, it seems to be.
00:02:00.160 They're just way ahead.
00:02:01.600 Way ahead.
00:02:02.380 All right.
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00:03:00.700 You know, I think it's really important that we all draw our lines.
00:03:13.120 We all look at what's really happening and what's affecting our decisions to stand or
00:03:21.540 not stand.
00:03:23.580 You know, some people just won't do it, and they're on our side, and, you know, it's fine.
00:03:30.700 I'm not going to judge anybody.
00:03:31.820 But others are doing it because they just don't want the hassle.
00:03:37.340 They don't want to be unpopular.
00:03:39.580 They want to fit in.
00:03:41.000 And this is what's happening in our classrooms.
00:03:44.980 Our kids are learning from this.
00:03:47.940 And it's normal.
00:03:49.620 You, especially in this society, kids want to be noticed.
00:03:56.200 They want to be special.
00:03:58.740 They certainly don't want to be out of the cool kids club.
00:04:03.220 I've been out of the cool kids club my entire life.
00:04:08.200 Would I like to be in the cool kids club?
00:04:10.760 Sure.
00:04:12.180 Do I care?
00:04:14.020 At this point, I mean, if I cared, I'd probably lose a few LBs. 0.97
00:04:19.700 But nope, don't care.
00:04:22.000 Okay?
00:04:23.280 However, I want to show you how insidious this is because it is natural to feel this way.
00:04:31.820 I was just rejected as a member at a club.
00:04:39.840 Now, I've lived in this neighborhood forever.
00:04:45.040 I passed on the membership when we moved in because, you know, you get a golf member.
00:04:51.580 And I don't play golf.
00:04:52.500 And I don't hang out at country clubs.
00:04:54.400 No, thank you.
00:04:55.440 So, Tanya and I just passed on it.
00:04:57.560 Never even thought of it until recently, maybe two years ago.
00:05:03.780 And, you know, usually things go quickly.
00:05:07.440 But no, because there's a couple of people that disagree with me politically.
00:05:12.180 And so, I jumped through extra hoops and had extra meals with extra people and asked, you know, they questioned my integrity and everything else.
00:05:20.240 And I just about lost my mind during that.
00:05:23.760 But I thought, you know what?
00:05:25.220 I just want it because I have so many meetings now at our dinner meetings.
00:05:30.260 Tanya doesn't trust anyone.
00:05:32.260 So, we don't ever have anyone over at the house.
00:05:36.060 Ever.
00:05:38.060 And it drives me nuts.
00:05:39.820 But, okay.
00:05:40.800 So, we can't have anybody over at the house.
00:05:43.160 So, if I want to have a business meeting, I have to drive into Dallas.
00:05:46.160 Or if I have something where it's, you know, kind of a friend but not, you know, not a friend.
00:05:52.060 Not like you, Stu, that she will let in the house.
00:05:55.340 Ooh, on the list.
00:05:56.360 I want to have dinner.
00:05:57.220 And I want to have it, like, I'd like to just be able just to walk there.
00:06:02.080 Yeah, close by.
00:06:02.620 Yeah, sure.
00:06:02.760 Not have security and everything else.
00:06:05.620 So, when they rejected me, what, a couple of weeks ago, I found myself caring all of a sudden.
00:06:14.220 Because now, I wasn't in the cool kids club.
00:06:18.220 Now, I've been rejected from the cool kids club.
00:06:21.320 That only made me, you know, want to build a 500-foot flagpole in the property that I happened to own right on the other side of the fence of that club and fly the biggest frickin' pirate flag you've ever seen.
00:06:35.740 But, you know, my better angels occasionally, you know, help me out a bit.
00:06:43.600 But, anyway, this is so normal.
00:06:48.520 And if it's happening to somebody like me where I'm feeling that and I hate it.
00:06:52.420 Wait, what's normal?
00:06:53.280 Just the…
00:06:54.020 Wanting to fit in.
00:06:56.680 Okay?
00:06:57.420 That's what's happening with our kids.
00:06:59.780 Culture is being jammed down their throat, not only in the school by the school teachers, you know, and all of the stuff that's going on in their schools, but also all throughout social media.
00:07:12.020 You can be special.
00:07:14.580 You can be recognized.
00:07:16.540 You can be protected in an even more special class than just a kid if you're trans, bi, whatever.
00:07:27.560 Right.
00:07:28.240 It gives you a special status that you're probably desiring for other reasons.
00:07:32.920 And I think between that and the fact that kids…
00:07:36.200 I mean, I would have done this when I was a kid.
00:07:39.620 I would have said, you know, yeah, I'm a turtle today.
00:07:43.500 If you had to…
00:07:44.680 Because I would just love being able to have that control over the teacher.
00:07:49.260 Because that makes you popular because you're the one that can…
00:07:53.600 You know, I got a little power over the teacher.
00:07:56.320 Oh, 100%.
00:07:57.560 100%.
00:07:58.080 I would absolutely, I would request the school to build me turtle tunnels that I had to crawl through from class to class.
00:08:06.020 I mean, I can remember every other week or so, there would be some cause at our school that people would walk out for.
00:08:14.260 And there would be this big protest.
00:08:15.680 And the local paper would come and say, students united today for blah, blah, blah cause.
00:08:22.340 And I say, blah, blah, blah cause because I never knew what the cause was, nor did I ever care.
00:08:27.260 What I knew was we were walking outside of the school in a direction that was not to math class.
00:08:31.960 See, I grew up in a time where we had a bunch of nuns in black habits. 0.99
00:08:37.400 And you're not getting past them.
00:08:39.280 You're not walking out.
00:08:40.880 Nope.
00:08:41.120 Not walking out.
00:08:42.480 You have a child.
00:08:44.460 What grade is she in?
00:08:46.040 Sarah?
00:08:47.660 She's a freshman in high school.
00:08:49.580 Gosh, I can't believe that.
00:08:50.600 That does not seem possible.
00:08:51.660 So, what is she seeing in her school?
00:08:54.660 So, she was telling me the other day that you are allowed to pick your pronouns.
00:08:59.460 You're allowed to pick a new name.
00:09:01.020 You're allowed a new identity anytime you want.
00:09:03.680 Anytime, not just at the beginning of the year.
00:09:05.780 Well, I think it's day by day.
00:09:07.520 I mean, it has to be like the day before that day or whatever.
00:09:10.440 Oh, so tomorrow I'm coming as a dinosaur.
00:09:12.800 Well, there's bunny and bunny self.
00:09:15.000 There's what?
00:09:15.460 Wait.
00:09:15.700 Bunny.
00:09:16.540 Bunny?
00:09:17.260 Like Easter bunny bunny?
00:09:18.740 Bunny and bunny self.
00:09:20.760 Right.
00:09:21.180 So, when you talk about yourself, you would refer to bunny self.
00:09:24.420 But the teacher has to call you bunny.
00:09:26.980 And that's not a name change.
00:09:28.720 That is a pronoun change.
00:09:31.320 Yeah.
00:09:31.600 The pronoun is bunny.
00:09:32.800 Identity.
00:09:33.220 Let's ask for the bunny. 0.99
00:09:34.440 Let's ask.
00:09:34.740 What if there's more than one bunny in the class?
00:09:36.640 My gosh.
00:09:37.360 I would have had a field day with this.
00:09:39.340 Oh, my gosh.
00:09:39.880 I would have been torturing my teachers with this.
00:09:41.900 I know I would.
00:09:43.000 This is an agent of chaos.
00:09:46.480 You know chaos does not come from any place good.
00:09:50.600 Can you imagine being a teacher and the kids that are just screwing with you?
00:09:57.940 Well, that's the thing.
00:09:58.920 The teachers have to abide by it.
00:10:00.520 Or they get fired.
00:10:01.480 Or some sort of suspension.
00:10:02.520 So, when you go in and you say, I'm they, them, but the teacher says, hey, you, or he, she, they get in trouble.
00:10:10.620 And kids can change their names, can change their identities, whatever they want.
00:10:15.180 It's unbelievable.
00:10:16.400 It's unbelievable.
00:10:17.660 This is, you know what?
00:10:18.540 Have you seen the latest that just came out on Dylan Mulvaney?
00:10:22.580 He wrote a few years ago.
00:10:24.420 This is 2021.
00:10:25.160 He said, I'm a trans, non-binary actor, and I've had trouble finding roles.
00:10:31.460 So, my friend wrote me a femme character in a commercial.
00:10:36.120 The guy, what he's doing now is acting.
00:10:40.540 He claims to be non-binary and trans.
00:10:43.860 Maybe is, you know, he thinks he is.
00:10:46.640 Maybe that's legitimate.
00:10:47.840 It seems legitimate.
00:10:49.260 But what he's doing, when everybody's like, he's making fun of girls.
00:10:55.160 That is a character role he's playing.
00:10:59.080 Why?
00:11:00.200 Because he wanted a job.
00:11:02.800 He wanted to be popular.
00:11:05.480 That's all this is.
00:11:07.600 That's all this is.
00:11:11.300 And so, when you stand up against it, you get slammed down by the bullies in class.
00:11:17.820 So, every time that you ever had a bully in your life, and you're just like, just leave it alone.
00:11:24.380 You trained yourself to just leave it alone.
00:11:30.320 We've got to train our kids to not just leave it alone.
00:11:34.080 No, I'm sorry.
00:11:34.960 I'm going to stand.
00:11:36.120 I've said for years, you're going to college, just get the degree.
00:11:41.020 Leave it alone.
00:11:41.940 Get the degree.
00:11:42.560 No, no, absolutely I was wrong.
00:11:47.360 What do you mean you didn't say no?
00:11:48.900 So, you don't speak out against these things?
00:11:51.840 Yeah, just write the paper that you know you're going to get the degree.
00:11:55.180 Just move on.
00:11:56.500 No.
00:11:57.620 It is more important to protect your integrity muscles.
00:12:07.000 You train yourself that I'm not going to use those.
00:12:09.560 I don't have to use those.
00:12:10.660 No, you need them now more than ever.
00:12:14.380 You must take stands because it's getting weaker and weaker.
00:12:19.720 Look what's happening.
00:12:21.120 How did, in 1933, the churches almost drop the Old Testament within six months of Hitler. 0.81
00:12:30.480 He said, you know, a lot of Jewish stuff there.
00:12:32.680 Okay, the churches voted and almost dropped the Old Testament.
00:12:43.440 Why?
00:12:44.640 Because they had already been infiltrated.
00:12:47.340 They had already played along, gotten along, didn't stand up for anything, didn't stand up against what was going on.
00:12:55.740 You know, it's like one guy, he was an archbishop, I think.
00:13:01.060 This one guy was the guy who stood up and said, you know, we shouldn't probably be killing our kids and calling them undesirables and killing out of mercy.
00:13:10.680 I don't think that fits.
00:13:12.060 One guy.
00:13:15.400 And he wasn't popular.
00:13:19.260 Once you lose that, look what's happening.
00:13:21.440 Why do you think Catholic Church is being infiltrated?
00:13:24.960 Why do you think that is?
00:13:26.320 To sow the seeds of distrust, to sow the seeds of, I don't know, something else.
00:13:37.700 To make sure it stays in line, they're training you.
00:13:43.660 And it's natural to want to be left alone and just be in the cool kids club.
00:13:52.300 You know what?
00:13:52.840 We were born at a time where we don't get that privilege.
00:13:57.020 We instead get the privilege of standing up for what is right and true.
00:14:04.460 That's much better than any stupid club.
00:14:10.020 This is the best of the Glenn Beck Program.
00:14:13.120 Charlie Serafin, the station manager, former station manager at KRLD Newsradio here in Dallas during the Waco tragedy, which happened 30 years ago this week.
00:14:30.140 Charlie, welcome.
00:14:31.100 How are you?
00:14:32.420 Good morning.
00:14:32.940 It's my fault.
00:14:33.720 I'll take full responsibility.
00:14:34.800 So this must have been really hard.
00:14:39.360 I know that we wanted to do a special on Waco and the Branch Davidians said they'll do it as long as we run an hour from their perspective. 0.96
00:14:54.440 And we started looking into some of the details on what they wanted, and it just wasn't acceptable to us.
00:15:02.400 So we didn't do it.
00:15:03.680 Good choice on your part.
00:15:04.900 Good job.
00:15:05.520 It wasn't really a hard stretch on that one.
00:15:08.240 But you, when you were at KRLD, you had children being held hostage, and we all saw that train wreck coming.
00:15:20.800 How did this happen with David Koresh, and what were your thoughts during it?
00:15:26.840 Yeah, probably not as much as I saw the train wreck, because I try to cut through it, and I know we have limited time.
00:15:33.700 So we got a call into the newsroom that evening, the evening of the shootout, and one of the young producers came out and said,
00:15:43.460 we've got a guy on the line who claims he's calling from inside the compound.
00:15:47.540 And I said, man, I better take it, because my first thought was, this is a prank.
00:15:53.040 It's a fraternity somewhere, you know, SMU or something, and some people are going to have some fun with a serious situation.
00:16:01.180 So I got on the phone, started talking to the guy.
00:16:03.360 The guy was Steve Snyder.
00:16:04.980 I could tell from his accent, he was from Wisconsin, and I'm from Wisconsin.
00:16:08.860 His accent was stronger than mine.
00:16:11.060 And we come to find out after the fact, he grew up about 45 miles from where I did, about the same time I did.
00:16:18.220 I think he might have been a couple years older.
00:16:20.320 So anyway, we're having a chit-chat, and I'm trying to ask him questions.
00:16:23.220 Hey, what's going on in there?
00:16:24.300 How many wounded do you have?
00:16:25.340 How many children?
00:16:26.720 What's the deal?
00:16:27.420 Why don't you let the children out? 0.96
00:16:28.620 And he's very unresponsive, because he says, well, I really can't answer that.
00:16:33.240 David would have to answer that.
00:16:34.060 Well, I can't answer that.
00:16:34.920 David would have to answer that.
00:16:35.920 So he kept deferring to David.
00:16:37.760 And finally, he just said, well, here, I'll just...
00:16:40.240 And he handed the phone over to David.
00:16:41.740 So now I'm talking to David Gresh, and I know it's David Gresh, because I've heard his voice on CNN.
00:16:47.180 He did an interview earlier in the evening.
00:16:49.540 And as we're talking, he is unresponsive.
00:16:56.300 He just goes into a ramble, and it's a biblical-sounding kind of language with a lot of vowels and they's and shalls and stealth.
00:17:07.220 And, you know, it's got LPs on the air, the words, and all that.
00:17:10.320 But he's not really...
00:17:11.940 He's not really there.
00:17:13.720 And he keeps talking about himself in the past tense.
00:17:16.600 The birds of the field shall eat upon the flesh of the lamb.
00:17:20.480 And he's going on and on and on about being the lamb and about being dead.
00:17:25.920 And I'm going, man, this guy is suicidal.
00:17:27.940 And I'm not a psychiatrist, but I've dealt with a lot of nutcases in my life.
00:17:33.560 You know, we're in media when we have the opportunity.
00:17:36.700 And he was so far out there, and he just was really tightly wound.
00:17:42.960 And so after about 45 minutes of trying to talk him off the cliff with a lot of funny little nuances in between,
00:17:50.220 only the second half of or maybe the last 10 minutes of the conversation was recorded.
00:17:54.860 Because I'm on a business line.
00:17:56.580 They called in on a business line, and we can't put that line on the air.
00:17:59.560 We had to transfer him over in order to do it, which we did ultimately.
00:18:04.860 But somebody brought me one of those little suction cups, if you think back 30 years ago.
00:18:08.600 Oh, my gosh.
00:18:09.920 And so you could record it.
00:18:11.940 Yeah, so we could record it.
00:18:13.160 And the recording was terrible quality, but someone transcribed it after the fact.
00:18:17.060 So I have a little bit of our private quote conversation.
00:18:20.660 And again, I'm like a counselor.
00:18:22.640 I'm just saying, like, yeah, but you don't have to die.
00:18:24.900 And what about all your followers, and it could be okay, and what about the children, and let's let some more children out, okay?
00:18:32.760 And, you know, I'm trying to be as conciliatory as I can.
00:18:37.040 And we put him on the air for a little bit, and he, again, he launched into his biblical gibberish, I would call it. 0.93
00:18:44.720 And then the rest is history.
00:18:46.820 People know most of those stories.
00:18:48.380 But what I have to share with you, Glenn, is just kind of bizarre.
00:18:53.220 When you lived through a traumatic experience, and it was a traumatic experience for me.
00:18:58.840 I had, you know, I had interviewed some FBI agents, and I'd seen them at the scene of crimes, and I covered a lot of stories and stuff like that.
00:19:07.000 But I never had FBI agents calling me at my house in the middle of the night, and I never had to code words with ATF so we could make sure it was really them.
00:19:16.420 And I had never been involved, and I'd never been attacked by the journalism community, which the, you know, American Society of Professional Journalists and the Columbia Journalism Review and all these people.
00:19:27.840 And they're all going like, oh, these terrible people, they inserted themselves into the story.
00:19:32.380 How could the government, you know, how could the media work with the government?
00:19:36.360 Now, in today's world, isn't that a laugh?
00:19:39.040 I mean, really?
00:19:40.400 It's incredible to me, especially at that time, because I know your record.
00:19:44.720 You started at KFRC, worked at K101, KCBS, KNX.
00:19:51.980 I mean, you're a news guy when news guys were news guys.
00:19:58.000 Yeah, it's almost an embarrassment to have that affiliation now, because if you tell somebody, you know, you're a news guy, they just, you know, they run.
00:20:06.940 And I don't blame them, because I have the same feeling.
00:20:09.000 It's like, how did I have a, we could do a whole program on how it happened, because I have a really good theory on journalism school and the concept of objectivity.
00:20:20.040 But we don't, that's not today.
00:20:21.680 Today is the 30th anniversary.
00:20:23.000 But something I wanted to share with you.
00:20:24.620 So I went through this traumatic experience.
00:20:26.380 And afterwards, and I, we got literally hundreds of letters from people, and I'm going to give you an example.
00:20:33.260 Here's a postcard, holding it in my hand.
00:20:35.180 I took it out of the box last night.
00:20:36.760 My wife said, you need to open the box.
00:20:38.360 I said, I don't, I don't know.
00:20:39.580 And she said, open the box.
00:20:41.120 It's a moving box full of stuff, just junk, just everything thrown in there.
00:20:45.580 It says, David, you have made about all the points you can make.
00:20:50.160 So I command you and all your people to come out peacefully.
00:20:55.060 Signed, God.
00:21:01.500 It was addressed to David Koresh, care of the radio station.
00:21:05.480 And there was, there's so much of that stuff.
00:21:09.500 Oh, my gosh.
00:21:10.220 And I realized how the world, the outside world, and from all over the country and foreign countries, people sent us stuff because they had an idea.
00:21:19.780 Here's a, here's a tape of my past, my favorite sermon from my pastor.
00:21:24.380 Just play this for him and he'll come out.
00:21:26.960 Oh, my gosh.
00:21:28.460 Oh, my gosh.
00:21:30.160 Have you, can we get some of that off the air conversation from, from you?
00:21:35.540 I'd love to be able to play some of that on the air.
00:21:37.860 Well, I have some of the on the air conversation, but the off the air conversation, the tape is, it may be one of the cassettes in the box.
00:21:45.340 I don't know, because there's some that are not labeled, but I have a transcript of it.
00:21:50.000 And then I found, I just found a lot of, a lot of real, there's a lot of stuff that I would say is funny because it probably wasn't funny at the time that people were sincere in trying to solve the problem.
00:22:01.680 Um, I found a letter from a guy from New Jersey who wrote to the president of NBC News on my behalf.
00:22:09.760 I don't know who he is.
00:22:10.580 I didn't, you know, I had no relationship and he told them that, uh, the guy was name was Michael Gartner at the time.
00:22:17.460 And I did two days of interviews with Brian Gumbel on live and that was difficult because he kept asking me about his, you know, David's state of mind.
00:22:26.580 And I didn't want to say the guy's a nutcase and he's suicidal because I, I was afraid he would be listening and that would be enough to set him off.
00:22:34.840 And the next thing you know, we'd see flames coming out the windows, which we saw eventually.
00:22:38.740 And when you saw how it ended, um, what were your thoughts about ATF and FBI?
00:22:49.180 Well, my thoughts about ATF were consistent from the beginning, just because of my personal exchange interchanges with them.
00:22:55.160 I had an ATF agent come into my office and say, give me a tape, a copy of the tape of the interview you guys did a couple of nights ago.
00:23:03.140 There were fugitives that were on the run and they were outside, uh, Davidians that were outside the compound and they were all scattered.
00:23:09.760 They were running as fast as they could, but they would stop at pay phones or at friends' phones or whatever and call into the overnight show at the radio station.
00:23:17.640 And when they, and when, and then we would run tape on it and I had those tapes and I knew that eventually somebody would come for him.
00:23:23.800 So this ATF guy comes in and says, give me a copy of the tape of so-and-so.
00:23:27.480 And I said, Hey, I got it right here on my desk.
00:23:29.360 Give me a subpoena.
00:23:30.160 And he goes, well, come on, man, help me out here a little bit.
00:23:34.340 Give me, you know, I don't need, I said, no, it's our station policy.
00:23:37.120 I've got it right here.
00:23:38.160 It'll take you 10 minutes.
00:23:39.460 You can get a judge to give you a subpoena.
00:23:41.480 It's not a big deal, but that's our process.
00:23:43.520 And please, you know, I've been helping you guys out and following your process.
00:23:48.020 Help mine.
00:23:49.000 And I'll come on, man.
00:23:50.380 He goes, you know, even the bank down in Waco, they released all of his banking records to us without a subpoena.
00:23:56.320 Wow.
00:23:57.680 That's a federal crime.
00:23:58.980 It is.
00:23:59.340 And here's a, here's a, here's a government agent sitting in my office telling me that he's confessing to a crime.
00:24:06.980 And I, and at the time, even I knew that.
00:24:09.400 And I went like, man, you guys are some dumb, you know what?
00:24:13.100 And so it's like, okay, the other thing that was funny, and this is a sidebar that's not part of any Netflix documentary that no one ever heard.
00:24:21.720 When the ATF first started calling in again, I was real concerned about pranks and about false information and everything.
00:24:27.300 Cause we, you don't get in that situation very often where you're a participant in the actual story.
00:24:32.760 So I told the first ATF guy that I talked to, the agent in charge, I said, look, here's the deal.
00:24:38.280 We have to have a code.
00:24:39.520 So when your agents call in that, I know they're illegitimate.
00:24:42.020 You may need something quick, like, Hey, say this or do this or whatever, because we got, you know, somebody in the crosshairs or we're about to do this.
00:24:49.400 I don't know what you're going to do.
00:24:50.480 It doesn't matter, but we got to have a code.
00:24:52.600 So he says, okay, we'll give you our social security numbers.
00:24:55.800 I'm telling the truth.
00:24:56.880 So the ATF, the ATF agents would call the radio station and say, this is agent Smith, social security, dah, dah, dah, dah, dah, dah, dah, dah.
00:25:05.640 Right.
00:25:05.960 That was a code and they did it.
00:25:07.960 So when the FBI came in and took over, and this is one of the reasons my son probably went into the FBI is that there's so much more buttoned up than the ATF.
00:25:16.000 The FBI guy, so the agent in charge, I think it was Jeff Jamar.
00:25:20.740 He calls and I go, look, you know, we're doing this deal with the ATF and we got to have your social security numbers.
00:25:26.520 We should have your agents identify themselves.
00:25:28.140 And he just started laughing.
00:25:30.040 He just laughed so hard.
00:25:31.840 And he went like, no, I don't think so.
00:25:34.160 And I thought, well, good for you.
00:25:36.180 So he said, we'll give you our birthdays.
00:25:38.140 So he started rattling, you know, the agent would say, this is the agent, uh, Sarah, and then my birthday is, uh, 11, eight, 49, blah, blah, blah.
00:25:46.520 So Charlie, as you, as your son, uh, grew up, he heard you talking about all of this.
00:25:54.220 And I, I think, uh, that he probably looked at his dad who had a lot of integrity and also, uh, this instance that, uh, you, you know, had to have shared with him, uh, many times.
00:26:06.620 And your, your reason, uh, on ATF, FBI, now the FBI, um, cause I've always felt that about the FBI until now.
00:26:19.060 Uh, and now I just don't know who to trust.
00:26:22.480 I think it's rotten from the, uh, from the, you know, core in Washington.
00:26:27.500 I don't know how far down it goes.
00:26:30.200 Um, but now that he was an FBI agent and he has started to blow the whistles and you've seen what's happened to him.
00:26:37.620 What are your thoughts?
00:26:39.420 Well, um, you know, he's my son and we're proud of our children and all that, but, um, I have five sons and, and, uh, Kyle, Kyle is among the best and the brightest in our country.
00:26:54.400 I'm just, I'm going to say that and not just as his father, as an observer of, of people, he's a, an exceptional human being.
00:27:02.420 His, uh, his grasp of facts, his cognitive ability, his intellect, his vocabulary, his, he's been a voracious reader his entire life.
00:27:13.500 He's read so much more than I have.
00:27:15.300 He's a lot smarter than I am.
00:27:16.740 And so when he told me that this was something he's going to do, I was very proud.
00:27:21.100 And when I went to Quantico and went to the graduation, listen to the speeches, and especially when I met his, uh, the agents who graduated at the same time with him, man, oh man, if you wanted to put together, you know, the all American team, they were, that's what they were.
00:27:38.640 These are awesome people, former, um, military, former police officers, physically fit, uh, weapons, experts, sharp as tacks, really adjusted, uh, and, uh, an incredible group of coworkers.
00:27:54.400 And then he, uh, he, it wasn't very long and he, and I could tell in our conversations, he was going like, man, there's stuff going on here.
00:28:02.620 That's just not right.
00:28:03.820 I mean, almost from the beginning.
00:28:05.480 Well, actually from the beginning, Jim Comey gave the graduation speech and I was there with, with Kyle's mom.
00:28:12.120 And, you know, we listened and, and, um, and I came away and I went, wow, that was a, that's a really good speech.
00:28:19.300 And Kyle goes, nah, BS.
00:28:21.080 I go, what do you mean?
00:28:22.100 He goes, I've heard it five times already.
00:28:24.620 I was like, oh, it's a canned speech.
00:28:26.980 It sounded like it was really spontaneous and really, you know, really aimed at the audience.
00:28:31.280 Right.
00:28:31.540 And then, so he, so he was a little bit skeptical.
00:28:34.060 Then when he went into the counterterrorism unit, it was like, oh man, this is a joke.
00:28:39.760 We just waste our time following these people around.
00:28:42.200 Nobody does anything about it.
00:28:43.620 We know who the bad guys are.
00:28:45.020 They don't pick them up and blah, blah, blah.
00:28:46.700 And then he got out of that and then he got into the surveillance unit where they would travel around the country and go out to Portland and be in DC at the riots there, you know, all this stuff.
00:28:57.320 And he, same thing.
00:28:58.280 He said, we know, you know, we know who the bad guys are.
00:29:01.720 Um, he, his first assignment, which I don't, he doesn't talk about one.
00:29:05.200 His first assignment was for the, one of them was for the Trump inauguration.
00:29:09.700 And there was a young guy that was shining lasers at a helicopter pilot's eyes, trying to blind them to make a helicopter crash into the, you know, into the celebration.
00:29:21.580 And, and Kyle was teamed with a secret service agent and they went out and they, they found the guy they watched and they saw the thing going up through the trees, the laser.
00:29:31.080 And they went over and they, the guys went into a restaurant, there were five of them and they went into the restaurant, Kyle and his partner went in, they arrested the individual with the laser.
00:29:40.980 Kyle stayed there and told the others, it'd probably be a good idea for them not to get out of their seats.
00:29:44.940 And at the time when he told me, I thought, wow, that, you know, he said, they're probably just students, dad.
00:29:51.960 They were probably just kids from, you know, doing something stupid, but as time went on and we learned about Antifa, which we didn't know about, you know, it wasn't publicized back then.
00:30:01.840 He says, no, those are definitely Antifa.
00:30:05.400 There's no question of it.
00:30:06.660 They were organized.
00:30:07.560 I can't thank you enough for coming on and sharing all of this information and being the dad to Kyle, that you have been a American patriot.
00:30:17.420 Truly.
00:30:17.980 I think Charlie, thank you so much.
00:30:23.780 You're listening to the best of the Glenn Beck program.
00:30:31.860 Cash.
00:30:32.360 How are you, sir?
00:30:34.500 I'm good.
00:30:35.160 Great to be with you.
00:30:35.760 Yeah, it's good to, good to have you.
00:30:37.560 Um, this story has bothered me and some of my, uh, friends who have been in the military, uh, and have, and have had, you know, top secret clearance.
00:30:48.160 They say what the media is reporting is just not possible.
00:30:55.380 Do you agree with that?
00:30:58.820 Yeah, I wrote an extensive piece on it.
00:31:01.260 Um, just that, and I think it was published in Breitbart and then the New York Post picked it up, but a former deputy director of national intelligence.
00:31:07.060 And the guy who did the presidential daily briefing for the commander in chief, um, have an idea of how this types of access works and used and covered it.
00:31:15.860 21 year old national guardsman.
00:31:17.260 And even if you have a top secret SCI clearance doesn't mean you have a need to know.
00:31:21.820 He certainly did not have a need to know to access under the law, this type of intelligence about war planning, operations, military movement, and the Saudi intelligence.
00:31:31.500 It's some of our most closely kept and guarded secrets as it should be.
00:31:36.160 Um, so he did not, and I don't believe for one second he has acted alone.
00:31:40.700 And I think the fact that the New York times and the Washington post were the first ones to break the story and investigation for the FBI, the same guys that did Russiagate.
00:31:49.680 And I'm maybe biased because I was the guy that ran the Russiagate investigation and exposed it all.
00:31:53.960 But this doesn't happen by coincidence.
00:31:57.080 Somebody is covering up their tracks and somebody is looking for a scapegoat because the underlying crux of information shows that the current commander in chief, Joe Biden, and his administration have been lying to the world about the failure of our $115 billion in the Ukraine.
00:32:11.640 Okay. So there, there's two subjects here. Uh, I want to talk about the leaks and what they tell you, but I want to, I want to stay first on how did this information, I want to make sure I understand.
00:32:22.960 And the audience understands you can have a top secret clearance and you can log on to whatever that internet thing is, is called. Um, what is it called?
00:32:35.740 The JWIC system.
00:32:36.800 Yeah. JWIC system. You can log on to JWIC, but you have to specifically know what you're, it's not like it's just piles of documents sitting there.
00:32:45.820 You have to know what you're looking for and you have to go through other portals to be able to get this stuff. Correct?
00:32:53.200 Yeah. Think of it this way. Think of it as a giant mansion that has multiple bedrooms that are locked with the goods and households products of whoever lives there.
00:33:03.900 Just because you have the key to the front gate with your top secret SCI clearance, doesn't mean you have the keys and the codes to every single room and bank vault in that glorious mansion.
00:33:13.180 Classified information works the same way. There are literally millions of federal employees who have a top secret SCI clearance, but there are less than 0.5% of those employees who have the need to know compartmented code access to grant themselves access to this information.
00:33:30.080 Because it's structured that way on purpose, whether you can log into a system or walk into the vault room with all the paper documents, you are not by law permitted in the entry room, um, in the foyer, even unless you have been granted that need to know.
00:33:44.300 And a 21 year old international gardener doesn't have a need to know of this kind of information.
00:33:48.040 So my researchers said that their gut said to them, somebody else that has access to these documents, either sent them to him or whatever, got them to him. And he's just a front guy.
00:34:03.260 Yeah, that's what I wrote. That's what I specifically came out and said before the, as soon as the story was breaking and people were screaming at me. And I said, listen, it's not about politics, Democrat, Republican.
00:34:14.080 This guy has had this documentation and putting it out for six months. That's a campaign. That's not one page printed off and stolen off a printer and said, Oh, here you go. Here's one piece of intelligence. There's hundreds of documents.
00:34:27.240 We don't even know the extent of it. And you can't access over that over a continued period of time as a 21 year old air national guardsman in Cape Cod. It just doesn't work that way.
00:34:38.520 Somebody either a DOD or the intelligence community either wanted this information out, or he found someone who was wanted the information out like he did and helped him with that process and access.
00:34:49.580 Look, if I'm wrong, I kind of actually hope I'm wrong, Glenn, and here's why. Because if I'm wrong, the other truth is even scarier, that our classification system is so broken and so destroyed that a rookie can walk in and go harness our nuclear secrets.
00:35:06.040 That's what happens if I'm wrong. And it's not about me being right or wrong. It's the alternative. It's so much worse.
00:35:12.100 Well, that's what, you know, that's one of the things I keep coming back to. We should be talking about this because this guy either had somebody on the inside or you're right.
00:35:24.680 It's so porous that any of the millions of you, as you say, that have that top secret clearance can go in and get anything.
00:35:34.200 And Americans need to know not not Republicans, not Democrats. This is all of us.
00:35:40.660 Yeah, no, you're absolutely right. And that's what's so striking about this. And it's why it's riddled with analogies to Julian Assange and whatever your political orientation is, you can't.
00:35:51.620 I might be in the minority of this, but I don't justify this kind of behavior because it exposes waste, fraud and corruption.
00:35:57.520 There's a way to go about it. And this is not it. And so for those politically or cheering this action because of the end result, that's not how the United States of America works, because there's going to be 100 guys behind them that do this.
00:36:09.840 If you permit this sort of justified disclosure of intelligence. And I disagree with that wholeheartedly.
00:36:14.980 OK, so now let's try to figure out, is there a pattern in the leaks? Because they seem to be kind of all over the board.
00:36:25.020 Some of them seem to be something that could have helped us with some of our, you know, frenemies.
00:36:31.240 You know, there was only really the only one that I saw that I thought was really damaging was the one that we have a spy at the, you know, in the Kremlin.
00:36:42.040 That's that's not good for the health of that spy.
00:36:44.640 Who did this help? What side did this help?
00:36:51.780 I think it was a combination of things.
00:36:56.040 And what I mean by that is that you saw sort of a shotgun disclosure because the ultimate goal of what they wanted to disclose, in my opinion, based on what's out there, is the information regarding the Ukraine conflict.
00:37:06.720 And the other disclosures were put out there to sort of have lines of effort to say, wait, let's throw some people off our tracks.
00:37:13.920 That's another reason why I don't think this was done alone.
00:37:16.280 This wasn't just some kid who's like, I'm just going to throw up a bunch of pieces of paper in the air.
00:37:21.000 Whatever you guys grab in this chat room, we can talk about.
00:37:24.240 No, no. It's very specifically done.
00:37:26.580 And it was done with other people assisting him to do it, like the folks in the chat rooms who might also be government employees.
00:37:33.940 I don't know who any of these people are, but apparently The New York Times and The Washington Post do.
00:37:37.840 And maybe they want to go talk to them, at least the FBI, and figure it out.
00:37:41.520 But it was done in this fashion.
00:37:43.020 It's kind of going back to Assange.
00:37:44.740 He did it in a more streamlined fashion because he said he had a revolving door of information to put out.
00:37:49.960 This may be the scenario here.
00:37:51.800 This was just sort of the first shot.
00:37:53.100 Does he have other conspirators who have more information out there?
00:37:56.700 We don't know that answer yet, and neither does the FBI.
00:38:00.980 So does it appear to be, the information that you have seen, does it appear to be a message that your government is lying to you,
00:38:12.160 and you have no idea what's going on in Ukraine?
00:38:17.640 That to me, yeah.
00:38:19.160 That's a central message to me.
00:38:20.700 And you have to look at the characters that are involved.
00:38:24.400 Chairman Milley, who used to work for me when I was chief of staff at DOD, has become the most political operative in Washington, D.C.
00:38:30.700 And that's saying something when, as chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, by law, you are forbidden to enter politics.
00:38:36.240 And he was the guy that said, hey, I'm going to call my Chinese counterpartist during the Trump administration.
00:38:42.280 We are going to come after you.
00:38:44.420 He has, one, broken the law by entering the operational chain of command.
00:38:47.620 Two, the thing he wanted to achieve was a relationship with the incoming Biden administration because he wanted to keep his job.
00:38:53.940 I think you're going to see down the road people in senior DOD positions like that say, because it's going to come to a head, either Joe Biden lied to the world about the Ukraine and its status, or he was lied to about the intelligence about the Ukraine and said we were succeeding.
00:39:09.780 The other piece is members of Congress, where the gang of eight informed about the underlying intelligence.
00:39:14.760 If that's accurate, then Congress also lied to America while saying the Ukrainian effort was a win, or we were winning.
00:39:21.400 And I think when you enter that fray and sort of have government officials target each other, somebody's trying to cover their own rear end, and we're going to find out when it shakes out.
00:39:32.920 And remember, Chairman Milley's leadership role is up in three months.
00:39:37.080 He's out.
00:39:37.860 He's gone.
00:39:38.380 And he's been no stranger to talk to media while in that seat, and especially when he leaves that seat.
00:39:44.920 So I would say stay tuned, but it's a very suspicious line of effort.
00:39:51.400 When you look at the information about the Ukraine, the war in Ukraine, describe it in relatable terms of people who are not really following it.
00:40:06.200 They just know, you know, we're there, we're doing stuff.
00:40:10.340 It looks like it could get dangerous.
00:40:12.560 How bad is it?
00:40:15.360 It's bad.
00:40:16.220 We're doing everything but going to actually declare war.
00:40:19.420 When you spend $115 billion in less than a year, what you have to do is armed man training equipped.
00:40:25.800 What that means is it's cute by half.
00:40:28.640 We don't have, quote, unquote, conventional American soldiers on the ground.
00:40:31.520 That may be mostly true, but we have contractors, former United States military operatives on the ground, training them on tanks, training them on weapon systems, training them how to shoot, training them how to defend their positions, etc.
00:40:44.000 Because they can't do it alone.
00:40:45.920 That all costs money.
00:40:47.340 But the problem with Ukraine is it's going to be the modern gay Afghanistan. 1.00
00:40:51.000 They don't have an international banking system to access.
00:40:54.180 So we have to give them literally pallets of cash, and we know how that's gone in the past.
00:40:58.160 And we have no idea of where this money is going.
00:41:01.660 And this is problematic for many reasons, but the most is the following.
00:41:04.660 In a year, we are going to have conventional American forces on the ground in the Ukraine, and we're going to be back into Afghanistan situation because everyone in Congress, or most of them, is bending the knee to the defense industrial complex, which is the most corrupt organization in Washington, D.C.