The Glenn Beck Program - May 06, 2021


Best of The Program | Guests: Sen. Josh Hawley, Lt. Gov. Mark Robinson, & Ami Horowitz | 5⧸6⧸21


Episode Stats

Length

40 minutes

Words per Minute

174.52841

Word Count

7,115

Sentence Count

506

Misogynist Sentences

3

Hate Speech Sentences

8


Summary

Mark Robinson is a former factory worker who now serves as the Lieutenant Governor of North Carolina and is a voting member of the state school board. He has been a long-time advocate of critical race theory and has been involved in the education system for over 20 years. In this episode, Mark talks about his views on race and education.


Transcript

00:00:00.000 Hey, great podcast today. You don't want to miss a second of this podcast. We talk about critical
00:00:06.060 race theory with people who are actually doing something about it. Senator Josh Hawley is on
00:00:10.940 to talk about high tech and its tyranny and so much more on today's podcast.
00:00:22.800 You're listening to the best of the Glenn Beck program.
00:00:30.000 Last night on Blaze TV, I did a Wednesday night special based on the three biggest lies
00:00:38.720 of race in America. Where we're going is just phenomenally bad. I mean, it's historically
00:00:48.260 bad. You can find the examples of what we're doing at the beginning of every, every genocidal
00:00:56.180 movement in the world. Now, it doesn't have to end that way, but this is the way they
00:01:01.780 started. So we were talking about race and in education, et cetera, et cetera. And Mark
00:01:09.360 Robinson is a guy who, you know, I think you've heard before. Let me play a clip of where you
00:01:16.380 might know him from. This is a YouTube clip. He's standing in front of, I think it was his
00:01:21.300 city council. Listen. What I really came down here for is this. I've heard a whole lot of
00:01:27.000 people in here talking tonight about this group and that group and domestic violence and blacks,
00:01:31.900 these minorities and that minority. What I want to know is when are you all going to start
00:01:36.580 standing up for the majority? And here's who the majority is. I'm the majority. I'm a law
00:01:42.740 Biden citizen who's never shot anybody, never committed a serious crime, never committed a
00:01:47.560 felony. I've never done anything like that, but it seems like every time we have one of these
00:01:54.240 shootings, nobody wants to blame, put the blame where it goes, which is at the shooter's feet.
00:01:59.740 You want to put it at my feet. You want to turn around and restrict my right,
00:02:05.720 constitutional right that's spelled out in black and white. You want to restrict my right to buy a
00:02:11.480 firearm and protect myself from some of the very people you're talking about in here tonight.
00:02:16.200 It's ridiculous. I don't think Rod Serling could come up with a better script.
00:02:21.380 It does not make any sense. The law abiding citizens of this community and many communities
00:02:26.720 around this country, we're the first ones taxed and the last ones considered and the first ones
00:02:33.240 punished when things like this happens, because our rights are the ones that are being taken away.
00:02:37.920 That's the reason why this was an amazing viral video. Mark, in case you lost track of him, as I
00:02:47.180 did, has now become the lieutenant governor of North Carolina. He was a factory worker when he gave
00:02:54.200 that speech a couple of years ago. He's now the lieutenant governor of North Carolina. Mark,
00:02:59.320 welcome to the program. How are you, sir?
00:03:02.180 Hey, Glenn, thank you for having me again. It's a pleasure.
00:03:04.620 You bet. I am so impressed with you, but let me just pretend I don't know and see if you could
00:03:14.940 explain to those listeners who don't know what a lieutenant governor actually does. Could you tell
00:03:21.660 me the responsibilities? I am. Actually, I'm the president of the Senate. That's my number one
00:03:27.740 responsibility. I preside over the Senate in his daily duties. I sit on the state school board. I'm
00:03:35.880 a voting member of the state school board. I sit on the Energy Commission. I also sit on the State
00:03:42.160 Economic Commission, as well as the Board of Governors for the community colleges. Other than
00:03:48.700 that, we kind of do sort of what we want to do here. We have a huge bully pulpit, and we are using
00:03:55.000 that to our advantage here to push some agenda that we think definitely need to be pushed here in
00:03:59.900 North Carolina. Man, I don't know if you're a religious guy, but divine providence, I think,
00:04:05.180 played a role in finding you. So let's talk about what you're doing in the schools as, you know,
00:04:12.280 a voting member of the school board. You are addressing indoctrination, which is happening
00:04:17.980 all across the country. And parents, some parents, I am really concerned about this. And we don't
00:04:27.540 really know what to do, because sometimes we had in our own community here, right down the street,
00:04:33.880 we had two council members and, you know, directors of the school board arrested because they were
00:04:43.780 hiding the information on critical race. What are you doing in North Carolina that we should know
00:04:50.180 about? Well, you know, indoctrination in schools is something that I've known about for years.
00:04:58.440 My children experienced it when they were in high school. I've experienced it and seen it firsthand
00:05:05.060 at the university level. I attended the university for the most part as an adult,
00:05:09.380 and I saw it a great deal when I was attending the university. And so we know it's a problem.
00:05:18.140 And all throughout our campaign, we heard about it from parents and teachers all across the state.
00:05:22.960 And so the one thing that folks always push back against us and say, well, where's your proof that
00:05:28.180 this exists? Well, we are in the process now of proving that. We started a task force here in North
00:05:33.480 Carolina in our office called a FACT. In fact, stands for fairness and accountability in the
00:05:39.560 classroom for teachers and students. And what is, what it's aimed at doing is giving people who have
00:05:46.140 been a victim of indoctrination in the classroom or at schools, no matter what their position may be,
00:05:51.860 whether they be a principal, whether they be a teacher, whether they be a student, whether they
00:05:55.240 be a parent, a place where they can come and lodge, lodge their complaints. We're going to look at those
00:06:00.360 complaints, disseminate them, and then we're going to make sure that we deliver these things to the
00:06:05.680 public and finally start the process of doing something about this issue. This is not just a
00:06:13.800 North Carolina issue. This is a national issue. And for my money, it has become a national crisis
00:06:19.940 because we are no longer teaching our children what they need to learn in the classroom to be
00:06:25.540 successful outside of the classroom. We have got to get education back into the business of education
00:06:30.900 and out of the indoctrination. And so this is the first step in doing that. We're only teaching them
00:06:37.520 how to be activists. We're not teaching them to be productive members of society, just activists.
00:06:43.080 That's it. Absolutely. So you have, who's on this board, this FACS board? And, and how, I mean,
00:06:52.220 because people are afraid to come out and say anything. I know several parents that don't want
00:06:57.620 to say anything because they're afraid their students are going to get hassled, you know,
00:07:02.120 by the teacher or in grades or whatever. Um, that happens in college all the time. Students are afraid
00:07:08.020 to disagree because there is no real freedom of speech and thought in the place where it's supposed
00:07:14.200 to happen. Most definitely it's important that it happens in education. Absolutely. That is,
00:07:22.500 that is one of the most concerning things about this issue is there are people that are afraid to
00:07:26.540 speak out. But we have 12 people on our board, 12, uh, very capable people on our board who have,
00:07:33.360 who are willing to fight this thing and have been fighting it. Some of them for a number of years.
00:07:37.480 But what I like to try to remind people about being afraid is this. If you do not speak up
00:07:43.200 against this tyranny now, it's not going to do you any good in the future. You're still going to
00:07:48.860 have to suffer the dreadful effects of this tyranny at some point. And I can guarantee you, if we allow
00:07:54.600 this tyranny to continue to exist, the price we will have to pay in the longterm is going to be much
00:08:00.780 steeper than the price we'll have to pay in the short term for standing up and bringing it to an end.
00:08:05.540 So I'm encouraging people to speak up because there's going to be a price to pay either way.
00:08:10.280 But again, that longterm price is going to be much more dreadful than the short term price.
00:08:15.880 I would encourage anybody who's in state government or even local government to look at facts from North
00:08:22.960 Carolina, uh, and, uh, just go to, uh, ltgov.nc.gov. And I'm sure you'll find it there. Um, but I urge
00:08:32.260 you to, uh, consider putting something together like this for your, um, community. And you do have
00:08:39.900 people from both sides and all sides that on this committee that understand the problem. So it's not
00:08:46.740 just a, a right wing thing, right? Absolutely. There are people, uh, from all across the community
00:08:53.740 who are absolutely tired of our schools, uh, being used, uh, for political purposes. We need to,
00:08:59.940 again, we need to get back to the business of teaching our children what they need to know in
00:09:04.200 order to be successful outside of the classroom, to build businesses, to, to go into being doctors
00:09:09.320 and lawyers, to be, to be plumbers and all the great things that we need in our society. And classroom
00:09:14.920 is not the place to push your views on people. The classroom is a place where you teach people how to
00:09:20.240 build their own views. And, uh, we need to, we need to make sure that that's happening.
00:09:24.580 Have you found a way or, or by listening to people on the left, uh, I shouldn't say on the left,
00:09:31.180 but, but think differently, um, how to talk to them about critical race theory. Cause I know
00:09:38.180 lots of people, uh, are afraid of sitting down with somebody who they know, you know, voted for Biden
00:09:45.760 is in with a lot of this stuff, uh, to talk about critical race theory, because it'll go right to
00:09:51.180 racists. You know, it goes right there. How do they, how are they approaching this? How do they
00:09:57.960 view critical race theory in schools? A lot of, well, critical race theory is being pushed in our
00:10:03.760 schools, sadly, but the thing that we have to understand, and again, this goes back to education
00:10:08.700 itself. We have to go back and look at history and look at other ideologies that were pushed,
00:10:14.060 that were detrimental to our society. If you go back and look at the racist ideologies that were
00:10:19.140 pushed in our, in, in, in societies that had separate, but equal as Jim Crow, many of them are
00:10:25.300 the absolute, they're absolutely just like the idea, the ideology we see in critical race theory,
00:10:31.880 except instead of it being, uh, white people who were racist, it were black, it was black people
00:10:37.860 being demonized. And so this ideology that we have to demonize someone else in order,
00:10:44.060 to, uh, raise, uh, uh, to raise the mobility of someone else is a fallacy. We do not do that in
00:10:51.840 this nation. Equality is the key and critical race theory flies in the face of equality because
00:10:58.360 it tells white people, you are automatically left than because you are white. That's not what we're
00:11:03.340 supposed to be doing anymore than we're supposed to be telling black people that they're left than
00:11:06.880 because they're black. We need to be teaching all of our students that you have equal worth and an
00:11:11.360 equal say in this nation. And that this racist idea that because your ancestors did something
00:11:17.780 terrible to someone else, that it's now your fault. It's just, it's patently wrong. Uh, you know,
00:11:23.800 I like to say it like this. They love to say that our systems are racist. Our systems are not racist.
00:11:28.820 It's not the systems that are racist. It are some of the people who are in the system who are racist.
00:11:34.960 We need to make sure that we're taking care of the people and we need to make sure we allow the
00:11:39.200 system to work like it should. Critical race theory doesn't allow us to do that. And therefore we
00:11:43.360 need to make sure that it's not a part of what we teach in our schools. The Lieutenant Governor
00:11:49.340 from North Carolina, um, talking about facts, uh, the facts program for school indoctrination or
00:11:56.160 against school indoctrination. You can find more information at the website, uh, ltgov.nc.gov.
00:12:03.740 You can follow him at Mark Robbins, uh, Mark Robbins, uh, NC, Mark Robinson. Thank you so much.
00:12:13.900 God bless you.
00:12:14.900 Yes, sir. Thank you very much for having me again, Glenn. It's a pleasure.
00:12:18.340 You bet. Uh, by the way, uh, there are other groups that, for instance, they're partnering with
00:12:25.360 Parents Defending Education and they are just trying to connect parents and teachers, um,
00:12:30.740 um, while taking aggressive legal measures to resist indoctrinations, uh, in our school. So
00:12:37.060 you, you do have tools and I urge you to get involved. Parents Defending Education or, um, you
00:12:45.700 know, you can look up Mark Robinson, uh, if you're in North Carolina or in another state and you
00:12:50.740 actually have an ability to start something in your state like this. Do it now.
00:12:56.100 So we have been talking about the loss of property rights, patent rights. Uh, let's talk about the
00:13:18.300 loss of your right to speak freely, uh, to gather, uh, with people that you, um, you know,
00:13:25.540 agree with to petition the government. All of these things are going away. And a lot of them
00:13:32.380 are going away because of what Senator Josh Hawley calls the tyranny of big tech. We welcome the,
00:13:39.520 uh, Senator, uh, from Missouri to the program. Hello, Senator Hawley. How are you, sir?
00:13:45.040 I'm doing great. Thanks for having me.
00:13:46.960 You bet. Um, you know, the news of the last couple of days has been how Facebook, Twitter,
00:13:53.320 they're, they're just going to continue to ban Donald Trump. Uh, and they're saying, because
00:13:58.480 he was part of that giant insurrection, the worst attack on our Republic since the civil war.
00:14:08.040 Yeah. You know, I don't think that's why they're banning him. Go ahead.
00:14:12.420 Yeah. No, it's why they're banning him is they don't like his speech and they're banning him and
00:14:17.280 can get by with it. Glenn, cause they're monopolies and all of their customers and consumers have
00:14:21.480 nowhere else to go because there's no competition. So you think about, well, my gosh, I don't like
00:14:25.640 what Facebook's doing. Where would I go? What platform would I go to that would be different
00:14:30.300 than Facebook and have different rules? The answer is nowhere because Facebook is in monopoly and they
00:14:35.080 are actively buying up competition and suppressing new entrance in the market. Ditto with Twitter.
00:14:39.800 We saw a parlor, a competitor to Twitter, try to try to get off the ground earlier this year. And
00:14:44.940 what happened back in January? Well, Twitter and Amazon and Apple and Google got together and
00:14:51.220 canceled parlor within the space of like 48 hours. So these are monopoly companies with monopoly power
00:14:57.380 over speech. And we've got to do something about it. So one of the things you've written a new book,
00:15:04.460 um, called the tyranny of big tech. And I think this is the one thing I'm glad you're dealing with it.
00:15:10.420 I mean, there's a lot of big talk in the Senate, but I don't see anybody actually going for the
00:15:15.500 throat of people, um, and doing anything, proposing anything that actually will change and release the
00:15:23.920 chokehold they have. Uh, part of it I think is because of money, but I think also part of it is
00:15:29.160 they are so incredibly powerful because of the information that they have. Uh, why is it we can't
00:15:36.920 get our government to move on them? Well, I think part of that is because big tech has purchased so
00:15:42.760 much influence in Washington and on Capitol Hill. They have spent a decade or more purchasing
00:15:48.720 lobbyist influence and think tank influence and academic influence and, and, uh, influence on
00:15:54.740 congressional staffs in terms of staffers that they recruit to come join them. You know, it's really,
00:15:59.120 it's really, really extraordinary. And you see how they really doubled down on this last election,
00:16:03.360 dumping money into the Biden Harris campaign. I mean, you talk about trying to buy access to the
00:16:08.140 white house. These companies have done it. And that's one of the reasons why the Democrats right
00:16:13.480 now are delighted with the power of big tech. They love, they secretly love the monopoly status
00:16:19.280 because these companies will censor in a way the government couldn't. And the Democrats want them
00:16:24.100 to do that. And they want them to do more of it.
00:16:26.000 They, they politic all the time for them to do more of it. Uh, it, and it is, it is terribly
00:16:33.560 frightening. I think they don't want Donald Trump, uh, back online because they know he can draw a
00:16:39.560 crowd and you, you don't want anyone who can unite the other side. They're too busy dividing. You can't
00:16:47.880 have somebody that can unite and bring a coalition that can actually stand against, uh, this, this
00:16:55.020 movement, uh, from the left.
00:16:58.200 No, that's, that's exactly right. It's an effort to silence a big tech part, an effort to silence
00:17:03.320 voices of opposition with whom they disagree and who represent a contrary view. You say that you saw
00:17:09.080 them do it back in the fall when they tried to suppress reporting on Hunter Biden and Joe Biden,
00:17:14.040 locking the New York posts out of their account on Twitter, Facebook, not allowing the story to be
00:17:18.980 circulated and distributed. I mean, talk about a brazen intervention in a presidential election. I mean,
00:17:24.440 trying to influence and stop the news during a presidential election. And then even more so in
00:17:29.520 January, of course, where they de-platformed the former president, where they kicked bunches of
00:17:33.600 conservatives off of, off of Twitter and Facebook and these platforms and where they canceled Parler.
00:17:38.880 I mean, so this is real power, Glenn, this is monopoly power. And to your point about what we're going to
00:17:43.680 do about it, we've got to break these companies up. We cannot try and go along to get along. You've got to
00:17:49.740 break these companies up. And you've also got to give American citizens the right to go to court
00:17:55.360 and to sue these companies if they take action against them based on political viewpoint. That's
00:18:00.560 my view. Give Americans the power to go to court, break up these companies.
00:18:04.560 I'd like one more thing. They're making all this money because of all the information they're gathering
00:18:09.020 on us. Who I am, what I do belongs to me, not to them. Just because they have given me a device that
00:18:16.760 allows them to follow me. I really don't like the power that they have of following me, monitoring me,
00:18:24.420 analyzing me, predicting me. No, thank you. I'd like to opt out on that. And if you want to sell my
00:18:32.180 information as I opt in, you can do that and you'll get a slice of it. But so will I.
00:18:39.740 That's right. And you know, these companies, their business model is built on taking our data
00:18:43.860 and our personal information without our consent, to your point, Glenn, and then selling it or
00:18:49.600 monetizing it without our permission and without any say from us of any kind. And I agree with you
00:18:54.820 100%. Individuals ought to be able to control their own information. It is private property. It's our
00:19:01.000 private property. In the same way, families, parents ought to be able to control their kids'
00:19:06.220 information. These companies track your kids around. They build dossiers in your kid. I say
00:19:10.060 this as a parent of three small children. You know, this is crazy, creepy stuff that they currently get
00:19:15.680 by with. And we've got to stop it. We've got to give people control again over their own property,
00:19:20.740 over their own data. So I'm very libertarian in my views of business. And I have really wrestled
00:19:29.260 with two things. In the past, I have wrestled with the, quote, robber barons. Many of those guys
00:19:35.660 were not robber barons. Some of them were. And I've always wondered, when you amass so much wealth
00:19:43.180 and power, how do you stop that from affecting everyone or infecting everything? And the only way
00:19:56.960 that I can come up with that I'm comfortable with is you cannot lobby laws. The law and the government
00:20:05.100 must be completely separate and blind from corporations. But I don't think that's possible.
00:20:12.660 How do you stop the, because these, I think you would agree with me, the people like Zuckerberg
00:20:17.780 will be remembered as really bad robber barons, taking from people, getting rich, and then doing
00:20:27.140 what they want, and many times against the interest of the people.
00:20:30.700 That's certainly how they're behaving. Now, Glenn, there's no doubt about it. And I think
00:20:35.540 when you look at American history, where we draw the line, those of us especially who believe in
00:20:40.140 free markets, who believe in free competition, and who believe in capitalism, where we draw the line
00:20:45.000 is to say, you know, we want people to be successful. You bet. We want businesses to be
00:20:49.580 successful. Yes, we do. What we do not want to see, though, is a business amass a bunch of market power
00:20:55.340 and then use it to suppress competition and use it to suppress innovation and use it to try and
00:21:01.020 control the political process, which is what we're seeing from these tech companies. That's,
00:21:05.640 I think, where we need to draw the line. I mean, my view is, is that breaking up monopolies
00:21:10.260 reinforces the market because it introduces new competition. So I'd like to see more competition.
00:21:16.120 I'd like to see more businesses. I'd like to see more choice for consumers out there. And if we had
00:21:22.160 more competition, these guys would have less power. But right now, the amount of power they have
00:21:26.620 is frightening. I will tell you that in your book, you talk about the Apple App Store. And you're
00:21:32.280 absolutely right. I remember the first time I wanted to put an app on there and I realized
00:21:36.260 they take, I can't even remember what it is, some obscene amount of money, like 30% of everything.
00:21:41.540 And you're like, what? And there's no negotiation. They tell you exactly how the app has to run.
00:21:48.700 They tell you everything about your own business. And I thought, wow, that's, that's a company that's
00:21:54.900 completely out of control. And look how much money they're getting, because they're the only option.
00:22:00.580 They're the only option.
00:22:03.000 Is the Apple tax, the infamous Apple tax that you just referenced. You're right. And what they also
00:22:07.880 usually do is, you know, with your, let's say your app, for instance, Glenn, then they take all of
00:22:12.060 your data about your customers. Yes. So Apple says, give us everything, you know,
00:22:16.500 all of the info. It's crazy. It's really bad. So you, the name of the book, we're talking to
00:22:23.200 Senator Josh Hawley about his new book, uh, the, uh, tyranny of big tech. Um, it's my understanding
00:22:30.780 that Simon and Schuster actually had this book and we can talk for hours about Simon and Schuster. I
00:22:38.740 just ended my 10 year prison sentence with these people. Um, uh, uh, because they had a hostile
00:22:45.960 takeover and they just, just eliminated any conservative in that company. Um, but you had
00:22:52.340 a contract with them on this book. What happened? Well, they canceled it. I mean, this is the book
00:22:58.460 is all about how big tech is trying to control our politics and trying to control free speech. And
00:23:02.800 then big tech, uh, teamed up with these corporate publisher to try to cancel this very book. I mean,
00:23:07.800 you talk about irony, but Simon and Schuster originally commissioned the book. And then in
00:23:11.480 January, uh, following a January 6th, uh, Simon and Schuster turned around and said, Oh, we're
00:23:16.440 going to, we're going to try to deplatform Holly. We're going to cancel this book. They accused me of
00:23:20.700 helping incite a riot at the United States Capitol, which is totally and 100% false. And by the way,
00:23:26.540 they know it's false, but what they did is bow down to the, the big tech, a Twitter mob. You had a big,
00:23:32.120 a Twitter, a petition that started that said, deplatform Holly, cancel his book contract,
00:23:37.000 take this away, silence him. And Simon and Schuster got right in there with them. You know,
00:23:41.460 I'm grateful that there's still independent businesses and independent publishers in this
00:23:46.200 company. So my book, it was not canceled. It's available now. And I just said, Glenn,
00:23:50.940 my view is this with this cancel culture, you've got to go out and take a stand and refuse to be
00:23:55.100 canceled. And that's what I said at the time. I am not going to go along with this. I refuse to be
00:24:00.860 cowed. I refuse to be silenced. I refuse to be canceled. I'm going to keep speaking whatever
00:24:05.780 forum I can. And I'm glad that the book found its way to print. Yeah. Good for you. Again,
00:24:11.400 the name of the book is, um, the, uh, the tyranny of big tech. One last question. I can't leave out
00:24:17.740 you. I love you for this. You tie Woodrow Wilson into, uh, big tech and really kind of point to him as
00:24:29.060 kind of the guy of the modern oligarchy. Uh, and I think that's really what we're headed for
00:24:35.240 is a, is an oligarchy where these guys are in bed with the government, the government's in bed with
00:24:41.140 the big businesses and they're controlling everything. And we just go along. Um, and it,
00:24:48.760 it is really difficult because at the time it seemed as though it was a socialist movement,
00:24:55.280 a communist movement, progressives said, we're going to take it step by step because we don't
00:25:00.260 believe in the bloody revolution of 1917, but it's not, it is really an oligarchy. And I think
00:25:06.880 that's becoming very, very clear to people now on both the left and the right.
00:25:13.260 Yeah. Wilson, I think really begins this, begins this trend of, of embracing corporate power and
00:25:18.760 monopoly power. He's also our first globalist president in many ways. Uh, someone who wanted,
00:25:24.420 uh, wanted the United States to become a liberal empire, uh, uh, worldwide and, and wanted the
00:25:30.740 United States to, to be, to enmesh its economy with the global economy. And so there's, you know,
00:25:35.680 globalists tend to love Wilson and there's a real reason for that. And Wilson, I think begins
00:25:40.700 this, this trend in American politics. He ushers in a new era in American politics where, you know,
00:25:45.860 it's, it's really sort of form corporatism where you see these big, huge corporate behemoths and
00:25:50.020 the government says, well, look, you know, here's how we'll deal with them. We'll get big government
00:25:53.000 and the big corporations together and together we'll kind of run things, you know, big mistake,
00:25:59.520 big, big mistake. And this gets back to the Republican party conservatives, our roots in,
00:26:04.400 in free markets, in competition, in the rights of individuals and families. And that's what we've got
00:26:10.420 to recover. And we've got to get back to a place where individuals have power over their own
00:26:15.340 property, individuals have a say and control over their own government and not these mass,
00:26:20.380 not these oligarchs in Washington, DC or Silicon Valley. I'd love to talk to you more about this
00:26:25.920 because you also put Teddy Roosevelt, who I love and hate at the same time in his proper place on
00:26:32.600 this. And that is the disease that permeated the GOP and had the GOP kind of really pretty much going
00:26:39.140 on the same line as the progressive Democrat. Senator Josh Hawley, the author of the book,
00:26:46.020 The Tyranny of Big Tech, an important book, small book, and easy to read, The Tyranny of Big Tech.
00:26:52.940 Josh Hawley, thank you so much. Appreciate it. Thanks for having me.
00:26:55.860 This is the best of the Glenn Beck program. And we really want to thank you for listening.
00:27:09.520 We have a dear friend joining us now, really talented filmmaker, a guy who everybody says,
00:27:15.420 you got to get into culture. He's actually doing it and making a big impact. He has changed Swedish
00:27:22.280 immigration policy, U.S. trade policy, education policy here in the country. He has been on ships,
00:27:30.160 you know, tracking down jihadist pirates. I think he's a lunatic, but he's actually really,
00:27:37.760 really smart and on our side. And he's just put a new video out. I'm going to play about a minute of
00:27:45.140 it, but this is I'll tell you where to get it here in a second. This is worth watching and reposting
00:27:51.080 and spreading in your network. It is Ami Horowitz on the streets of New York talking about
00:27:57.600 the rich paying their fair share.
00:28:00.160 So do you think that the poor pay a higher percentage of their income? Yes. Or the rich?
00:28:05.840 They do pay a higher percentage of their income. Yeah, they do. Yeah. Oh, the lower class,
00:28:09.680 definitely. Pay more. Yeah. Lower income people.
00:28:13.240 Lower people. The 1% earn about 25% of all the income in America. So there you go. If we're talking
00:28:20.480 about fair share, then, you know, if you're bringing in 25% of the income, 25% of the taxes
00:28:27.000 should also... That would be fair. Yeah, I would think so. Yeah. And would you be surprised
00:28:31.600 if I told you that the top 1% pay 40% of all taxes? I would be surprised. Yeah. Would it
00:28:36.240 surprise you if I said the rich, the 1%, pay 40% of all taxes in America? Interesting. Would
00:28:42.040 surprise me. Yeah. Do they? Yeah. Interesting. So a little more fair than you might have thought.
00:28:46.480 Yeah. What percent of income do you think the top 1% pay? I think they're paying like ficking
00:28:53.600 2% of them. They're paying 27%. What? 27%.
00:29:00.160 Ami Horowitz, welcome to the program. Amazing. How are you? It's a pleasure. And by the way,
00:29:03.520 such a wonderful pleasure to be in a town where I don't have to wear a mask and get people yelling
00:29:10.000 at me and screaming at me and mask shaming me. That is awesome. Yeah. Texas
00:29:16.320 is a pretty awesome place to live. I can't imagine what it's like in New York. I was up in Connecticut
00:29:22.160 a few weeks ago. We had a death in the family and had to go up to Connecticut. And it was
00:29:26.480 like a... It was like... I thought Elon Musk had drugged me, put me into a spaceship, and he had
00:29:35.200 already populated Mars and it looked like Connecticut, but it was completely Martian.
00:29:42.640 I... The people there, it's a mental illness now. It really is a mental illness.
00:29:47.440 It's absolutely become a mental illness. There's no question about it. No, I mean,
00:29:50.000 look, most of these people are vaccinated, but they will wear... You will see them running in the
00:29:55.120 park wearing masks. I saw a guy running a horse wearing a mask.
00:30:01.120 Okay. I'm surprised he didn't put a mask on the horse. That's... I would just like to point out,
00:30:10.480 I've seen a lot of things in New York, but the exception of a cop, I've never seen anybody
00:30:16.640 riding a horse in New York. No, there are horses in Central Park. Yes, you can ride a horse. You can
00:30:23.920 walk... You can ride a horse in Central Park. It's true. You can ride a horse in Central... I mean,
00:30:27.520 you rent it there, or do you have to bring your own horse? They used to have these stables
00:30:32.000 right off of Central Park. They've now kind of changed them, but they still have horses that
00:30:35.440 you could rent out. They don't really run. They're just walking. Yeah, because they're
00:30:42.160 probably beaten at that. They're like, I can't live in this city one more day. I just can't do it.
00:30:46.720 I can't do it. Where's the glue factory, man? Right. So you were on the streets of New York,
00:30:51.600 York. And I mean, one of the guys that you were talking to was full-fledged Marxist.
00:30:56.080 Oh, yeah. And what was shocking about this was how certain all of them were about facts that were
00:31:05.840 completely untrue and then surprised, but not like embarrassed that they had it so wrong.
00:31:14.480 You know, I actually, a lot of my videos are, look, they're important, but they're dark because
00:31:20.960 they're just, I'm showing the underbelly of the left, right? And what they actually believe.
00:31:26.480 This video is a little more hopeful because as certain as they were about faulty facts about taxes,
00:31:35.440 which by the way, this is, if you ask anybody on the left, right? They would say the same thing
00:31:41.440 that these people on the video saw. Of course, the rich pay more. Of course, the rich don't pay,
00:31:44.960 I mean, the poor pay more and the rich don't pay their fair share. But the hopeful part of this video
00:31:49.920 was when they were confronted with the facts, with the actual reality of what tax policy is,
00:31:56.240 they reversed themselves. And they said, that actually does sound fair, right? And this is,
00:32:00.320 and it's a hopeful video in the sense that we are right on the facts, okay? We are right on the facts.
00:32:06.320 And if we're able to get that out there, we could win this argument. Because let me tell you,
00:32:11.840 easily, the class warfare issue is going to be the battle. It's not gonna be the race issue.
00:32:19.680 And the race issue was really, when I spent a lot of time with BLM protesters, I start
00:32:23.920 scratching the surface and presenting them with the facts, right? About how many people were actually
00:32:27.880 killed unarmed by black people by white police officers. They will accept that and poo-poo it,
00:32:33.040 and then it'll switch to a class issue. Because ultimately, what is critical race theory?
00:32:38.320 Critical race theory is simply a slight deviation from class theory of Marx.
00:32:44.320 You have something, or you don't have something, because this other class that happens to be white
00:32:50.480 has it. Right. And the real battle is not going to be race. It's going to be class. And there is,
00:32:55.440 you know, the studies have showed over and over again that a significant portion of youth in this
00:33:00.080 country want communism. Not social democrat, not to be social democrats like the Europeans.
00:33:05.520 I'm talking about straight up Marxism, communism, the destruction of the free market.
00:33:10.880 It is not quite a majority or a polarity, but it's getting there. It's over 20%, 25%.
00:33:16.400 I'll tell you this, Ami. You can see it. You can see people being able to rationalize it at some point
00:33:25.280 as well, because the government has been so corrupt. They have done so much with, you know,
00:33:32.000 in the last year, we've spent 19 trillion dollars. Where's that money? That's not going to the average
00:33:36.960 person that is going to giant corporations. It's going to graph. I mean, it's no one is actually
00:33:44.160 feeling the impact of that. And when you start to see real inflation, you will look at the bank and go,
00:33:52.320 you got all of that money from 2008. I got nothing. I got nothing. And you're going to start
00:34:00.160 looking at these companies that are now lecturing us Coca-Cola on how we have to live our life,
00:34:06.080 et cetera, et cetera, and what's good and what's bad. And you're just going to look at all of these
00:34:10.720 people and say, you are my enemy. You are my enemy. And you'll put all people in that category,
00:34:19.760 just like we do now. If you're a conservative, you're evil. If you're a liberal, you're a Marxist.
00:34:27.040 That's not true, but that's the way human nature does it. And Marxism encourages it.
00:34:33.100 Yeah. Look, there's a, there's no question. I think that the, the, the lack of understanding,
00:34:38.940 you know, and I guess Joe Biden must've gotten a tour of the treasury building and he goes,
00:34:43.620 wait a second, we own the printing press. I can just print as much money as I want.
00:34:48.980 What? I mean, that's what it must've been like, right? What are we at? $10 trillion in new spending?
00:34:54.900 Trillion, $10 trillion. And that's your point. The point is no regular person is going to feel that
00:35:00.100 because our economy is too big. The country is too big. And even those kinds of numbers don't
00:35:04.500 really have an impact. And yes. And most of that money end up going through fraud and waste. And
00:35:09.680 they're going to say, well, what happened? What happened to this money that we said? And then
00:35:14.440 of course, when the bill comes due and inflation hits, right? And then they're really going to feel
00:35:18.720 it. And that's where they're going to say, what happened here? It is the, the biggest, uh, theft
00:35:26.880 ever. And we've gone through somewhat, we've gone through some of this before, not, you know, um,
00:35:35.400 Marx believed that capitalism was evil and twisted and, and was exactly what it is now
00:35:42.000 become. And he, so his idea of people rising up against the upper class is accurate. If you
00:35:53.080 are like the upper class appears to be a, not all upper class. I mean, the institutionalized
00:35:59.760 upper class is they are getting benefits that no one else is seeing. Uh, and we've gone through
00:36:09.860 it before. I was with Jay Leno at his garage few years ago, and he has this beautiful Bugatti.
00:36:16.320 It's this big old 1929 Bugatti. And my son ran up to it. He was little. And I think he had peanut
00:36:23.460 butter on his hands and I'm like, don't do it. And, uh, Jay was like, no, go on, sit in. That's what
00:36:30.180 it's for. I mean, it was really crazy. Um, but as he was in touching everything and leaving jam
00:36:36.240 prints over this Bugatti, I said to, uh, I said to Jay, uh, what a beautiful car. And he said, better
00:36:44.740 story behind it than it is beautiful. He said that car was purchased in 1929 in New York by a guy who
00:36:52.800 was head of an industry. He said, um, he never drew it, uh, never drove it by the time he got it.
00:37:00.120 It was too dangerous for him to be seen in the Bugatti. He said that car ended up, uh, they took
00:37:08.180 it apart and they used it as a truck. They just completely took this amazing car away and used it
00:37:15.600 as a truck because every time that car would be seen, it was class warfare. And you're a bad guy
00:37:22.660 because you have that car. And by the way, today you're, that's scary. Today you're dressed like
00:37:26.400 Jay as well. There's a lot of denim going on. You're right. But yeah, there is a lot of denim
00:37:30.920 going on and the white hair. That's right. Nothing scares me more than class warfare. Look,
00:37:35.160 when you go to Europe, one of the, one of the, one of the many differences between Europeans and us
00:37:40.780 is that the Europeans are jealous of people in the upper class. If you have a, if you have a beautiful
00:37:45.920 car in London or in, or, or in Paris, oftentimes friends of mine who have those kinds of cars,
00:37:50.920 they get keyed because people are so disgusted that they have that kind of wealth. And I don't,
00:37:56.360 and here, this country was so beautiful about is we're aspirational. We look at people with
00:38:01.280 beautiful cars and you're thinking is not, I need that. Why does he have that car? Not me. You think
00:38:06.100 I want that car. I'm going to do what it takes to get that car or that house or wherever it is.
00:38:11.380 And we are losing that beautiful aspirational part of our country because the left has engaged us in
00:38:18.960 this damaging class warfare, which like, I can't repeat enough. It will be the battle for the next
00:38:24.860 10 years for the soul of this country, more than any other issue that we're facing. It's the class
00:38:29.620 warfare issue that will, will either sink us or will take us ahead for the next hundred years.
00:38:35.860 So let's, let's talk a little bit about, uh, uh, the whole idea of there will be an America that we
00:38:46.880 all recognize in 10 years. Yeah, there will be in 10 years for sure. A hundred percent. Uh, there's so
00:38:53.560 much gas in the tank from over the past few decades of success that they'll, they'll carry us for a
00:38:59.980 decade or two. Having said that it's the next 10 years, which will decide the fate for the next
00:39:06.360 hundred years. We'll know the answer in 10 years. We'll know the direction the country is going in
00:39:11.180 in 10 years of that. I have no doubt in which direction we will go. It is up in the air and
00:39:16.360 is up to us to fight for us to win that ideological battle. We know which direction the, the Biden
00:39:25.420 administration is going to take us. Um, and that is into a whole new, um, uh, kind of, I mean,
00:39:32.640 they're, they're talking about resetting and doing, you know, getting rid of capitalism and into
00:39:38.020 stakeholder capitalism, which is not capitalism. It's an oligarchy. So we know that they are on
00:39:44.080 this path right now. And that, I mean, I think they've got a short time period to pull that off.
00:39:49.620 They've got about two years unless they, they completely destroyed the election process by
00:39:55.160 then. Yeah. One of the most, um, insidious parts of the left is their changing of the language,
00:40:02.460 right? Uh, they're, they're, they're, they're denuding of power from words, like racism is a
00:40:07.980 meaningless word now. Right. Um, and, and one of the things they've done, and if you've noticed it,
00:40:13.280 that what the word that the left use most often was equality, right? That was the buzzword of,
00:40:20.880 and what did they change it to? You're so right. Equity, equity, equity. And what does that mean?
00:40:26.040 There's a very specific meaning to their version of the word equity, which means ownership. And what
00:40:32.540 it means is we have to get equal outcomes, right? What was equality, equal opportunity. That is a
00:40:40.200 disgusting notion to them now. Now they want equal outcome. And that's what equity gives them.