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00:00:30.000 We've got a lot to talk about today and some humor back, especially provided by that, I don't know, C or D list actress on The View. 0.93

00:00:40.340 She says, it's worse to be black in America than to be a woman or a gay person in Iran. 0.53

00:00:45.800 Oh, that's an interesting view. 0.94

00:00:48.520 Also, Alan Dershowitz is here to talk about what the Supreme Court said yesterday.

00:00:53.060 And the big controversy today is Mike Lee is selling off all of our national parks.

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00:03:02.740 You're listening to the best of the Glenn Beck program.

00:03:09.920 You know, it's been a crazy, crazy week, Stu.

00:03:15.340 You've missed out on some great arguments, really.

00:03:21.740 Really?

00:03:22.080 People just ripping each other apart.

00:03:25.360 Friends ripping friends apart.

00:03:27.860 And I've never seen anything like it on our side.

00:03:32.240 And it's got to stop.

00:03:34.160 It really has to stop.

00:03:35.400 You were on vacation, so you usually don't pay much attention.

00:03:37.920 Did you see any of this or you miss it all?

00:03:40.040 I felt like, first of all, an incredibly well-timed vacation.

00:03:43.780 I can't even describe how good I felt about the timing of that.

00:03:47.720 But yes, I did follow it a little bit.

00:03:49.960 I saw a lot of the back and forth.

00:03:52.080 I don't know how you feel about it, Glenn.

00:03:53.820 It just seems to me to be the opposite of productive.

00:03:59.020 I just don't get it at all.

00:04:01.220 I don't get it at all.

00:04:01.920 No, and we all start turning on each other?

00:04:03.980 No, our enemies don't love that.

00:04:06.280 Right.

00:04:07.080 Yeah.

00:04:07.560 I mean, you couldn't be in Russia or China and Iran and do anything more helpful than get all of us to start tearing each other apart on the same side. 0.94

00:04:19.140 Yeah, it's like, you know, as a Philadelphia Eagles fan, if the Eagles make a trade and you're not sure how to feel about it, one way to decipher that is to see how Cowboys fans react to it.

00:04:29.560 If they love the trade, you know it sucks for your side.

00:04:34.040 Right.

00:04:34.340 And that's kind of how I feel with this.

00:04:36.500 Like, you know, how does everybody on the left feel about this?

00:04:40.200 Are they, gosh, angry about it?

00:04:42.540 Or are they really excited that the right seems to be trying to set itself on fire?

00:04:47.080 I think they're excited about it.

00:04:48.560 And so I would argue it's not the most productive activity.

00:04:52.320 Yeah.

00:04:52.580 I had Sean Davis on yesterday from the Federalist, and he was just great.

00:04:57.800 He was great.

00:04:58.420 If you missed that in the podcast, make sure you get yesterday's podcast and listen to it.

00:05:03.060 Because we don't agree on everything.

00:05:05.020 But tried to have a decent conversation.

00:05:07.640 And that is hard to do.

00:05:08.780 I mean, I didn't necessarily have a decent conversation yesterday at the beginning of the program.

00:05:14.200 It was the beginning of the program.

00:05:15.420 It was a little shameful.

00:05:17.280 A little shameful.

00:05:18.680 Wow.

00:05:19.300 Shameful?

00:05:19.920 Is that?

00:05:20.340 Yeah, a little bit.

00:05:21.020 Yeah, a little bit.

00:05:21.680 And I might say that when my producers brought up today, Glenn, you really have to talk about our federal government selling off 3 million acres of land for affordable housing.

00:05:35.240 I might have been a little shameful there as well.

00:05:37.420 I mean, I'm not a perfect guy.

00:05:39.800 I'm not a perfect guy.

00:05:40.380 And I'm going to try to not be shameful in my response on the federal land today.

00:05:48.300 But I will tell you that might be beyond my abilities today.

00:05:52.820 I am so unbelievably tired of hearing about how we're not going to be able to hunt or fish because Mike Lee wants to sell 3 million acres of federal land.

00:06:11.080 Oh, no.

00:06:11.760 Is that really, Glenn?

00:06:12.720 I can't believe that.

00:06:13.640 Why would he want to do such a thing?

00:06:15.180 He doesn't like hunting and fishing?

00:06:17.380 Well, I do have the reasons.

00:06:19.660 And I'm going to get into that in a little bit on the program because if I have to go into it right now, I need to really prepare.

00:06:31.380 Because I may have vented for about 20 minutes in a very unproductive way in our meeting today because I live surrounded by federal land.

00:06:43.020 And, oh, my gosh, they're such good stewards of land.

00:06:45.940 There's nobody better than the federal government.

00:06:47.760 No, when something's going wrong, I can just call Washington, D.C. up and go, hey, this is really bad for the land.

00:06:56.000 And they're right on it.

00:06:57.220 They're right on it.

00:06:58.040 They're the best landlords ever.

00:07:01.120 But we'll get into that.

00:07:02.880 Meanwhile, Whoopi Goldberg had something interesting to say yesterday.

00:07:06.960 She was on The View, and that's a TV show. 0.99

00:07:12.240 TV.

00:07:12.760 That is a box that sometimes hangs on a wall, and it's from a network.

00:07:18.080 It's an old-style thing where people used to tell people what to say in their TV shows unless you were on the left.

00:07:27.620 Anyway, it's too much.

00:07:29.340 She's on this TV show, and she was saying that black people are treated badly here in America.

00:07:39.100 Now, listen to what she says. 0.99

00:07:41.300 Just remember, too, the Iranians literally throw gay people off of buildings. 1.00

00:07:44.540 They don't adhere to basic human rights. 0.99

00:07:46.000 Listen, here's the thing.

00:07:47.100 Let's not do that. 0.96

00:07:48.900 Let's not do that, because if we start with that, we have been known in this country to tie gay folks to the car. 0.99

00:07:56.720 As official policy, they used to just keep hanging black people. 0.95

00:08:04.440 It is not even the same. 0.79

00:08:05.940 I couldn't step foot wearing this outfit.

00:08:07.200 Oh, no, wait, wait, wait.

00:08:07.840 That's not what you mean to say.

00:08:09.360 It is the same.

00:08:10.420 No, it's not.

00:08:11.260 The year 2025 of the United States is nothing like if I step foot wearing this outfit in Tehran right now.

00:08:16.100 I can't have my hair showing.

00:08:20.340 I can't wear a skirt.

00:08:21.220 I can't have my arms out.

00:08:22.440 I'm telling you, as a judge.

00:08:24.440 I literally said it was up to the Iranian people. 1.00

00:08:27.160 Yes, it is up to them.

00:08:28.140 And that's why I am saying that it is the same.

00:08:33.580 Murdering someone for their difference is not good whoever does.

00:08:38.860 Wow, what a stance. 0.70

00:08:42.940 What a stance.

00:08:43.540 She is so brave.

00:08:44.860 Oh, my gosh.

00:08:45.260 And so, I mean, for a B or C grade actor in a forgotten movie system, she is really quite bright.

00:08:57.060 You know, when she's like, and we lynched people in America. 0.99

00:09:02.020 Yeah, 100 years ago.

00:09:03.660 100 years ago, that was happening.

00:09:06.000 And it was really, really bad.

00:09:07.800 I don't see the lynching happening.

00:09:09.800 And it was never condoned by the federal government, by the way.

00:09:14.180 That was something that was done.

00:09:16.700 Oh, go on.

00:09:17.620 Hold on, Whoopi.

00:09:18.900 That was done by the Democrats who started the Klan. 0.94

00:09:23.940 You can't say that.

00:09:25.220 That's 100 years ago.

00:09:26.640 Wait a minute.

00:09:27.100 You just brought up lynching from 100 years ago.

00:09:31.200 So, I guess facts do matter.

00:09:33.120 And then, I mean, can you imagine if that bit were played in any place in the Middle East where women are like under their burka thinking, I don't want to live like this. 1.00

00:09:47.620 This is horrible. 0.98

00:09:48.460 And, oh, by the way, my husband can rape me anytime he wants. 0.99

00:09:56.600 You know, I was married when I was nine. 0.97

00:09:59.980 And you have somebody like Whoopi Goldberg going on and going, that's just no worse than it is here in America.

00:10:06.760 Unreal.

00:10:07.280 Can you imagine the arrogance of that statement?

00:10:11.940 I mean, she's literally, again, I know we're mocking this show.

00:10:16.020 She's making millions of dollars. 1.00

00:10:18.200 She's a black woman making millions of dollars on television opposing the current president of the United States. 1.00

00:10:26.060 Do you think there's a lot of examples in Iran of this sort of behavior?

00:10:30.280 Are there a lot of Jews that have giant television shows in downtown Tehran with their studios making millions of dollars as they carry on the networks the programming that opposes the Ayatollah? 0.80

00:10:47.360 Is there an equivalent? 1.00

00:10:49.160 It's so inherently stupid. 1.00

00:10:52.220 It's just amazing how dumb you can be and have a show like this. 1.00

00:10:56.460 And, honestly, if we were in a just society, I would have arrested her just for her stupid haircut. 1.00

00:11:07.260 I will say that's offensive, Glenn, but not as offensive as your claim that she might be a B or C level actress. 0.99

00:11:16.580 No.

00:11:16.780 I'm giving her the benefit of the doubt.

00:11:18.120 That's way too kind.

00:11:19.800 I'm just trying to give her the benefit of the doubt.

00:11:21.900 Can we focus on one other thing, too, that I think is interesting about this development?

00:11:26.460 The opposition in that clip comes from Melissa Farah, whatever her name is. 0.79

00:11:31.640 She was – and I think there's such a fascinating journey of this type of person who was a complete unknown.

00:11:40.400 She was a communications official in the Trump White House back in the day and kind of turned into this like, oh, well, I'm notable now because I'm turning against Trump after leaving.

00:11:51.440 And there's like a whole genre of people who have gone through this process and whatever.

00:11:57.120 It seems to be very rewarding for them when it comes to their media careers.

00:12:02.100 And they do very, very well.

00:12:04.060 And they make lots of money.

00:12:05.860 And there's absolutely no way that without turning on Donald Trump and becoming this anti-Trump figure that she would have this job.

00:12:14.780 There's zero chance of it.

00:12:16.040 Right.

00:12:16.240 Like, zero.

00:12:17.660 She's an absolute no one.

00:12:19.460 No one had ever heard of her.

00:12:20.780 Like, she was a no one.

00:12:21.960 But she became famous because of this one thing.

00:12:24.660 And there's this interesting thing that happens because you assume the fact that she at one point did serve in the Trump administration, that she had some familiarity with, I don't know, the right side of an argument or the conservative side of the argument.

00:12:38.840 Or, like, just the fact that Iran is a danger or whatever. 0.98

00:12:41.640 She was, you know, involved in defense.

00:12:43.800 And then she's forced to go on here and do this show where every day her job is to say, basically, look, I served in the Trump administration.

00:12:52.720 I, I, I'm obviously not a liberal, but I can't believe what they're doing.

00:12:56.980 It's so bad.

00:12:57.680 Like, that's her job.

00:12:58.740 And then something like this happens that is so overtly wrong, that something that she obviously knows is a lie, and she has to make that decision on, like, do I go with the truth here or do I do this thing that I've been doing?

00:13:17.220 Right, like, and it's got to be perplexing to make these decisions because at some point there is a level where you just inherently can't say the words to go along with the party line that you're supposed to take these days. 0.70

00:13:32.140 And this is one of those instances where, like, no, it's obviously not as bad for black people in America today as it is for gay people in, in Iran.

00:13:43.540 Like, it's just so overtly false that you can't even stop yourself.

00:13:49.080 And I find it interesting where they kind of find that line.

00:13:51.560 How dare you say that? 0.95

00:13:52.560 Do we try to give black people the opportunity to learn how to fly by throwing them off of buildings? 1.00

00:14:00.080 No, we don't. 0.99

00:14:01.320 We don't.

00:14:01.440 I mean, look at what the good Iranians are doing. 0.97

00:14:03.960 They're like, I think these gays can fly. 1.00

00:14:07.160 And one of them will be able to do it. 0.91

00:14:09.560 And then once one of them does it, they'll all be able to spread their wings and fly, baby, fly.

00:14:15.100 That's true.

00:14:15.500 That's all they're doing, Stu.

00:14:16.940 That's all they're doing.

00:14:18.080 I had taken that as a negative. 0.99

00:14:19.020 And yet here in America, we don't give black people or gays the chance to fly. 0.85

00:14:24.640 I guess they just believe in them so much. 0.98

00:14:28.960 They're so much better than us.

00:14:30.860 They can fly.

00:14:32.860 That's what the Koran is actually saying.

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00:16:31.020 Alan Dershowitz, my friend.

00:16:33.680 How are you?

00:16:35.160 I'm doing great.

00:16:36.200 How about you?

00:16:37.800 It has been a really confusing week.

00:16:40.380 I'm losing friends, I think, because I stand with Israel's right to defend themselves.

00:16:46.240 And I'm pointing out that while I don't want a war, Iran is a really bad place. 0.65

00:16:53.460 And then I see the Supreme Court comes out.

00:16:56.480 And there are three justices that are like, I don't know.

00:16:58.960 I think children, you know, can change their identity before we even let them drive or carry a gun or enlist in the military.

00:17:07.300 It's insane. 0.52

00:17:08.200 It is insane, especially since, you know, the radical left says that a 17 and a half year old can't consent to have voluntary sex with their boyfriend. 0.97

00:17:20.560 That would be sexist and that would be horrible.

00:17:23.120 But they can consent to have an abortion and they can consent to have radical surgery that can't be reversed.

00:17:31.760 By the way, the decision is like six to two and a half.

00:17:35.820 Elena Kagan, my former colleague at Harvard, didn't reach the merits of whether or not a state could actually ban these operations on a minor. 0.99

00:17:46.300 She got involved in whether or not you need super duper scrutiny or just super scrutiny, a kind of, you know, a very technical thing.

00:17:55.620 But she didn't rule on whether under any kind of scrutiny the state could do that.

00:18:02.080 So definitely two of them said that the state could do it, but not necessarily a third one.

00:18:08.440 OK, can you can you break this argument down and why it should have been unanimous?

00:18:14.220 Oh, it should have been unanimous. There's no question.

00:18:17.560 States under the Constitution have the authority to decide medical issues.

00:18:22.640 States decide a whole range of medical issues.

00:18:25.940 I remember when I was a young professor, there was an issue of whether or not one twin could be operated on to remove a kidney to be given to another twin.

00:18:37.200 And, you know, that case went all the way through the course.

00:18:39.160 The federal government never got involved in that.

00:18:41.280 That was up to the state of Massachusetts.

00:18:42.820 And, you know, they made an interesting decision.

00:18:46.140 Some states go the other way.

00:18:47.660 Half the countries of Europe go one way on this.

00:18:50.080 Half the countries of Europe go the other way.

00:18:52.160 And Justice Brandeis once said that states are the laboratories of constitutional experimentation.

00:18:57.600 They have the right to do things their own way.

00:18:59.880 And then we'll see over time.

00:19:01.540 Over time, I predict that we will find that this kind of surgery is not acceptable scientifically for young people.

00:19:10.740 The New York Times had an absurd op-ed yesterday by the mother of a transgender person. 0.97

00:19:16.960 And it never mentioned, you do the arithmetic, that the person was now 18 years old.

00:19:24.060 And the decision doesn't apply to anyone who's 18.

00:19:26.780 If you're, you know, just wait.

00:19:28.120 Don't make irreversible decisions when you're 12 years old or 13 years old.

00:19:33.560 Because we know the statistics show that some people, at least, regret having made these irreversible surgical decisions, particularly.

00:19:42.500 Yeah.

00:19:42.620 So, why is it just that the state, why wasn't the argument, you can't do this to children?

00:19:51.980 Well, you know, that's the question.

00:19:53.920 Whether or not if a state says you can do it to children, that violates the Constitution.

00:20:00.100 I think states are given an enormous amount of leeway in deciding what's best for people.

00:20:06.780 You leave it to the public.

00:20:09.120 And, you know, for me, if I were, you know, voting, I would not vote to allow a 17-year-old to make that irreversible decision.

00:20:19.100 But if a state wants to do it and if a country in Europe wants to do it, all right.

00:20:23.520 But the idea that there's a constitutional right for a minor who can't, you know, isn't old enough to consent to a contract or to have sex, is old enough to consent to do something that will change their life forever and they will come to regret is absurd.

00:20:41.400 So, I don't know how you feel about Justice Thomas, but he took on the so-called experts and really kind of took them to the woodshed.

00:20:53.840 What were your thoughts on that?

00:20:56.180 Well, I agree with that.

00:20:57.500 I've devoted my whole life to challenging experts.

00:21:00.120 That's what I do in court.

00:21:01.860 I challenge experts all the time.

00:21:04.060 Most of the major cases that I've won have been cases where the experts went one way and we were persuading them that persuaded a jury or a judge that the expert is not really an expert.

00:21:16.500 Experts have become partisans, just like everybody else.

00:21:20.240 And so I'm glad that expertise is being challenged by judges.

00:21:26.660 And, you know, experts sort of challenge judges.

00:21:28.800 Judges challenge experts.

00:21:30.460 That's the world we live in.

00:21:31.620 Everybody challenges everybody else as long as we're all of us allowed to speak, allowed to have our point of view expressed, allowed to vote.

00:21:38.760 That's democracy.

00:21:39.940 Democracy doesn't require a singular answer to complex medical, psychological, moral problems.

00:21:47.440 We can have multiple answers.

00:21:49.040 We're not a dictatorship.

00:21:50.700 We're not North Korea or Iran where the Ayatollah or the leader tells us what to think.

00:21:56.660 We can think for ourselves and we can act for ourselves within limits.

00:21:59.880 You know, it's really interesting because this is my argument with Obamacare.

00:22:03.840 I was dead set against Obamacare.

00:22:05.820 But I wasn't against Romneycare when it was in Massachusetts.

00:22:09.580 If that's what Massachusetts wants to do, Massachusetts can do it.

00:22:12.960 Try it.

00:22:13.600 And honestly, if it would work in a state, we would all adopt it.

00:22:17.920 But the problem is some of these things, like Romneycare, doesn't work.

00:22:22.200 And so they want to they want to rope the federal government into it because the federal government can just print money, you know, and, you know, any state wants to do anything.

00:22:31.340 But, for instance, I have a real hard time with California right now because I have a feeling, you know, when they fail, we're going to be roped into paying for the things that we all knew were bad ideas.

00:22:40.740 Why, you know, why should I pay for it in Texas when I know that wouldn't work?

00:22:47.500 And I've always wanted to live in California, but I don't because I know that's not going to work.

00:22:52.740 Yeah, but, you know, conservatives sometimes take the opposite point of view.

00:22:56.680 Take guns.

00:22:57.240 For example, the same Justice Thomas says that a state cannot have the authority to decide that guns should not be available in Times Square or in schools, that there has to be a national openness to guns because of the Second Amendment.

00:23:16.080 And, you know, you can argue reasonably what the Second Amendment means, but, you know, conservatives, many conservatives take the view that there has to be a single standard for guns, and states can't vary in their decisions how to control guns.

00:23:33.100 I'm in favor of letting the states make those decisions.

00:23:35.600 Doesn't that just take what the Bill of Rights is about and turns it up outside the head?

00:23:46.720 I mean, it says, you know, anything not mentioned here, the states have the rights, but they cannot, the federal government cannot get involved in any of these things, and these are rights that are enshrined.

00:24:01.840 So, I mean, because you could say that, but, I mean, when it comes to health care, that's not in the Constitution, not in the Bill of Rights.

00:24:10.800 There's a big difference, of course.

00:24:12.260 The Second Amendment does provide for the right to bear arms.

00:24:15.680 The question is whether it's interpreted in light of the beginning of the Second Amendment, which says essentially a well-regulated, well-regulated militia.

00:24:27.160 Whether that applies to private ownership as well, whether it can be well-regulated by states.

00:24:33.800 Look, these are interesting debates, and the Supreme Court, you know, decides these, but all I'm saying is that many of these decisions are in some way influenced by ideology.

00:24:46.020 The words of the Constitution don't speak like, you know, the Ten Commandments and God giving orders from on high.

00:24:53.860 They're often written in ambiguous terms, even the Ten Commandments.

00:24:58.020 You know, it says, thou shalt not murder, and it's been interpreted by some to say thou shalt not kill.

00:25:05.880 The Hebrew is lo tirtzach. 0.79

00:25:08.540 Tirtzach is the Hebrew word for murder, not kill.

00:25:11.580 And, of course, we know that in parts of the Bible, you are allowed to kill your enemies. 0.99

00:25:16.020 If they come after you to kill you, rise up and kill them first.

00:25:20.820 So, you know, every single, human beings are incapable of writing with absolute clarity about complex issues. 0.99

00:25:29.080 That's why we need institutions to interpret them.

00:25:31.880 But the institution should be fair.

00:25:33.980 And the Supreme Court sometimes has taken over too much authority and too much power.

00:25:38.060 I have an article today on GateStone, which starts with a quote from the Book of Ruth.

00:25:44.260 And it says, when judges ruled the land, there was famine.

00:25:49.600 And I say, judges were not supposed to ever rule going back to biblical times.

00:25:54.800 Judges are supposed to judge.

00:25:56.960 People who are elected or appointed appropriately are the ones who are supposed to rule.

00:26:02.840 Quickly, two other topics, and I know you have to go.

00:26:05.620 So if I can get a couple of quick takes on you.

00:26:08.060 The Democrats that are being handcuffed and throwing themselves into situations,

00:26:14.900 do you find that to be a sign of a fascistic state or a publicity stunt?

00:26:20.380 Of course it's a publicity stunt.

00:26:22.300 And they would admit it, you know, give them a drink at 11 o'clock at night in the bar,

00:26:26.700 and they'll tell you that they're doing this deliberately to get attention.

00:26:30.340 Of course, a guy who was running behind in the mayor race in New York goes and gets himself arrested.

00:26:36.580 And now he's on every New York television station and probably will move himself up in the polls.

00:26:42.560 So, no, I don't believe in that.

00:26:47.400 And I don't believe we should take it seriously.

00:26:50.180 Last question.

00:26:52.340 I am proudly for Israel, but I'm also for America.

00:26:58.020 And I am really tired of foreign wars.

00:27:01.020 And I think you can be pro-Israel and pro-America at the same time.

00:27:04.660 I don't think that you can, you don't have to say, I'm for Israel, defending themselves,

00:27:10.360 and then that makes me a warmonger.

00:27:12.740 I am also very concerned about Iran and have been for a very long time because they're 12ers. 1.00

00:27:18.840 They're Shia 12ers that want to wash the world in blood to hasten the return of the promised one. 1.00

00:27:23.560 And so when they have a nuclear weapon, it's a whole different story.

00:27:27.420 No, I agree with you.

00:27:28.640 And I think Tucker Carlson is absolutely wrong when he says you have to choose between being America first

00:27:34.540 or supporting Israel.

00:27:36.260 Supporting Israel in this fight against Iran is being America first, is supporting America. 0.89

00:27:41.820 Israel has been doing all the hard work.

00:27:43.620 It's been the one who's lost its civilians and fortunately none of its pilots yet. 0.93

00:27:50.540 But America and Israel work together for the interests of both countries.

00:27:54.700 So I'm a big supporter of the United States, a patriot, and I'm a big supporter of Israel at the same time

00:28:02.900 because they work together in tandem.

00:28:04.540 To bring about Western values. 0.71

00:28:08.760 Should we drop a bomb? 0.98

00:28:11.700 Yes. 1.00

00:28:12.560 Should our plane drop the bomb? 0.79

00:28:14.680 Yes, we should. 0.96

00:28:16.120 And without killing civilians, it can be done. 0.91

00:28:19.040 It probably needs four bombs, not one bomb. 0.89

00:28:21.700 First one bomb to open up the mountain, then another bomb to destroy what's going on inside.

00:28:26.760 And in my book, The Preventive State, I make the case for when preventive war is acceptable.

00:28:32.020 And the war against Iran is as acceptable as it would have been to attack Nazi Germany in the 1930s. 0.78

00:28:39.720 If we had done that, if Britain and France had attacked Nazi Germany in the 1930s,

00:28:45.060 instead of allowing it to be built up, it could have saved 60 million lives.

00:28:49.620 And so sometimes you have to take preventive actions to save lives.

00:28:54.000 When is The Preventive State out, Helen?

00:28:56.920 Just now.

00:28:57.840 Just now.

00:28:58.480 And it's done very well on Amazon.

00:29:00.820 New York Times refuses to review it because I defended Donald Trump.

00:29:03.940 And the Harvard Club canceled my appearance talking about the book because I haven't been defending Harvard.

00:29:11.860 I have been defending President Trump's attack.

00:29:14.460 By the way, I have a new book coming out soon called Trump to Harvard.

00:29:19.160 Go fund yourself.

00:29:22.040 Let's stay on this one.

00:29:24.300 I'd love to have you on back next week to talk about The Preventive State, if you will.

00:29:28.320 Of course.

00:29:29.220 Thank you, Alan.

00:29:29.740 I appreciate it.

00:29:30.200 Thank you so much.

00:29:30.880 You bet.

00:29:31.160 Alan Dershowitz, Harvard Law School professor emeritus, host of The Dershow, and the author of the new book.

00:29:37.440 It's now The Preventive State.

00:29:39.000 I think that is a really important topic because we are traveling down the roads where fascism, on both sides,

00:29:47.380 where fascism can start to creep in.

00:29:52.120 And it's all for your own good and all for your own protection.

00:29:56.220 Beware.

00:29:57.180 Beware.

00:29:57.540 We'll talk about that next week with Alan Dershowitz.

00:30:01.380 This is the best of the Glenn Beck program.

00:30:09.860 Oh, my gosh.

00:30:11.100 Mike Lee is here, a man who hates land, who hates fishing, who hates water, who hates air, who just wants to sell all of our national parks, or at least good portions of them, to private fat cats so he can build, quote, affordable housing.

00:30:30.360 And we all know what that's code for, right?

00:30:33.320 I mean, this is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard, and I have had this conversation with my family, and I've tried to explain that to them calmly and peacefully, and it doesn't seem to make an impact. 0.98

00:30:45.900 But maybe Mike Lee, who is a much better orator than I am, can actually bring the facts to the table so we can stop having this stupid argument on selling the federal lands. 0.98

00:30:57.900 Mike Lee, welcome to the program. 0.95

00:30:59.240 Thanks so much, Glenn.

00:31:01.340 Good to be with you.

00:31:02.700 Thank you.

00:31:03.340 You are hated by many members of my family because you want them to stop fishing.

00:31:08.540 You want them to stop going to the national parks.

00:31:11.140 You want – they've been hunting in certain areas, and you are going to take it from them.

00:31:15.200 Now, look, if all I knew about this bill were the falsehoods being circulated by the left, I'd hate it, too.

00:31:24.900 But, look, Glenn, here's the truth.

00:31:27.940 Every one of those statements that you made in your opening reflects falsehood.

00:31:33.300 What we're dealing with is an entire generation of Americans that will fail to launch if we can't bring the dream of homeownership back within reach.

00:31:42.520 Years of failed policies have helped drive up inflation and helped make living entirely unaffordable for young Americans.

00:31:51.100 We can't let that happen.

00:31:52.700 Meanwhile, the federal government owns 640 million acres of land, nearly a third of all land in the United States.

00:32:01.200 The vast majority of that land has zero recreational value, disposing of a fraction of 1% of that so that the next generation can afford a home.

00:32:12.540 Is a common-sense solution to a national problem.

00:32:16.740 Now, there are a lot of –

00:32:18.860 Mike, I will tell you that that sounds great, but you're talking about building affordable housing deep in the Olympic Peninsula, which is a rainforest.

00:32:29.460 It's a beautiful place.

00:32:30.820 You just want the Olympic Peninsula to have houses in it?

00:32:33.740 Mike, absolutely not.

00:32:36.760 And look, the map being circulated by the left-wing Wilderness Society, run by President Biden's own BLM director and eco-terrorist, Tracy Stone Manning, is flat-out misleading.

00:32:48.520 First of all, when this bill puts land up – puts it in the category of eligibility for sale, it doesn't mean for sale.

00:32:57.700 It just means there's a process by which it could be transferred.

00:33:01.520 That's impossible right now.

00:33:02.660 Secondly, with regard to any of these protected lands, the crown jewel lands of the United States, in this bill, it can't operate.

00:33:14.740 Like, legally, it excludes anything that's within any of the 15 designations of federally protected land.

00:33:22.860 So if it's in a national park, a wilderness area, a recreation area, wild and scenic rivers, trails, preserves, seashores, lakeshores, historic parks, memorials, any of the 15 categories, it's not even eligible for this.

00:33:37.620 And they're working on changes to further limit eligible lands to those Forest Service-owned lands within two miles of a population center and lands managed by the Bureau of Land Management within five miles of a population center.

00:33:55.920 So this deals with land that is only in or near a place where people live, and it doesn't authorize the sale.

00:34:05.820 It authorizes a process whereby it could be considered for that purpose.

00:34:10.920 You know, I have heard from my environmentalist friends and family that that doesn't give anyone any—they have no say in their own lands.

00:34:23.280 They have no say in their own lands. 0.97

00:34:25.000 You're just going to take it, and there's no process.

00:34:27.920 You're just going to decide and take it and sell it.

00:34:31.820 Yeah, all absolute falsehoods.

00:34:35.820 And look, the bottom line—

00:34:38.320 What is the process?

00:34:39.360 What's the process, Mike?

00:34:40.920 The process for it, it requires the nomination, the application to the Bureau of Land Management or to the U.S. Forest Service.

00:34:50.380 They say this meets these criteria.

00:34:51.960 It doesn't fit within any of the categories of protected land.

00:34:55.720 It's within either two miles or five miles of an existing population center, depending on whether it's Forest Service or BLM land.

00:35:03.300 And at the end of the day, if the land is deemed suitable for single-family housing—and by the way, that's all it's allowed for is single-family housing, not high-density housing of any kind—then and only then can it be purchased at a discounted rate so that more people can have access to land.

00:35:26.160 Now, look, we're talking here about nothing that would affect grazing rights.

00:35:32.740 It incorporates valid existing rights, including grazing rights, and would take that land out of eligibility for sale on something like this.

00:35:44.080 There is no land that will necessarily be sold, transferred, or handed over just because it appears on one of these maps.

00:35:53.300 What we're dealing with is a fraction of 1% of the land owned by the U.S. government, an entity that was never supposed to own between a fourth and a third of the land in the United States.

00:36:06.240 And this is not the crown jewel land.

00:36:08.880 This is garden-variety land that's just sitting there vacant where people can, do, and should live.

00:36:14.080 Mike, why is this so controversial among conservatives?

00:36:22.840 Well, frankly, I think some of it is being driven by the left, by misinformation driven by the left and by people like Tracy Stone Manning.

00:36:32.400 I think there are other people who would consider themselves conservatives who, for one reason or another, are not working off of accurate information.

00:36:47.120 And because they mistakenly believe that this bill would do more than it actually does, that it would sell every parcel of land that we've got or every parcel of land that's listed as potentially eligible here, that that's going to bring on Armageddon.

00:37:04.120 But, again, we're talking about a tiny fraction of all the land that the U.S. government owns, a fraction of 1% of all that.

00:37:12.500 And in a state like mine, in Utah, where the federal government owns close to 70% of the land in our state, and meanwhile, we've got people moving in from places like California.

00:37:23.760 We've got families that are growing, and people are experiencing a genuine housing shortage.

00:37:32.660 This is there to help address that.

00:37:35.060 President Trump knows that this is unacceptable, that America should be dealing with such a housing crisis, especially in western states like mine where there's a lot of federal land.

00:37:45.180 That's why President Trump has talked about this sort of thing is that they can't find housing, we have so much land, and we're going to put it to use, and I applaud them for doing so.

00:37:56.000 What are the chances that this goes through as is?

00:38:00.440 Look, I think we've got a very good chance of it going through as part of the big, beautiful bill, which the Senate will be considering as early as next week.

00:38:12.820 And look, the American people will be better off as a result of this.

00:38:20.140 We have to realize that it's more important, particularly in lands that are in or near existing population centers.

00:38:31.240 We opt to make some of that available, especially in states with a lot of public land like mine.

00:38:38.000 I have family members, Mike, that, you know, I've been joking about it here, but I have family members been going back and forth with me.

00:38:45.900 We've had great conversations, but it is, they are really, truly terrified that the land that they have hunted on, they've camped on, they've hiked on, is all going to be gone, and they won't have anything to say about it.

00:39:01.400 Yes, well, and that's simply not true.

00:39:05.900 Look, we've got state and local government consultation requirements, and the agencies are still going to have to comply with all kinds of existing federal laws,

00:39:19.720 including the APA necessitating a public process by which these lands would be considered.

00:39:26.500 And so those who are suggesting this bill does more than it actually does, in some instances, people might be operating on good faith based on things others have repeated.

00:39:39.040 But I think a lot of this is being driven by the far left and by people like eco-terrorist Tracy Stone Manning,

00:39:44.740 who accept as almost an article of faith that you can't ever allow any land that is today under the ownership of the U.S. government,

00:39:56.600 you can't ever let that be owned by anyone else.

00:39:59.600 It's simply illogical, and it's very unfair to those who live in public land states.

00:40:04.960 And 30 by 30 wants 30 percent, so they want to gain another 3 percent, and 50 by 50 wants 50 percent of the American land.

00:40:14.900 That is the goal of the left.

00:40:18.140 And, you know, I don't understand how people are not talking about that part of it, which is well documented.

00:40:25.520 I mean, Biden put it into play.

00:40:28.940 Why isn't anybody talking about this?

00:40:30.840 We're talking about less than a half a percent, and they're talking about gobbling up 3 percent in the next three years alone.

00:40:42.820 I don't know.

00:40:43.660 I think that kind of seems important.

00:40:45.460 And the other thing that really bothers me that the federal government is doing, our Treasury is doing, is they're trying to put all of our land onto our balance sheet.

00:40:54.060 I don't like that, Mike.

00:40:55.060 What happens in the end when we can't pay our bills because we just would never face reality?

00:41:02.180 I mean, what happens then?

00:41:03.780 Who's buying the big banks, maybe foreign governments?

00:41:07.380 Who gets that land when the government is just pissed it away in debt? 0.66

00:41:16.600 No, that's exactly right.

00:41:18.420 So we've got to get a hold of our debt and deficit.

00:41:22.500 We've also got to make it possible for people to continue to live the American dream.

00:41:29.280 And the way to happiness is not more government ownership.

00:41:34.780 The way to happiness is to allow the American people a fighting chance in the race of life and the ability to raise their families.

00:41:43.760 It's just on no planet is unreasonable to say we're going to take a fraction of a percent of federal land that's not protected and make it potentially eligible for consideration for a place where people could live.

00:42:00.340 Quickly, Mike, how did they get all this land?

00:42:04.680 How did this happen?

00:42:05.640 All right. As states were added to the union, starting really with the Louisiana Purchase, land that was not owned by somebody as of the moment of statehood was very often deemed federal in the statehood enabling act of the state in question.

00:42:23.040 In states like mine, many of those states added since the Louisiana Purchase got language in there contemplating that federal land would ultimately be sold.

00:42:32.940 And that as it was sold, a percentage of it would go to the state, often as is the case in Utah's Enabling Act, for the benefit of the state's public education system.

00:42:43.720 The U.S. government honored that plan with respect to states throughout the Midwest.

00:42:50.900 When we got to the Rocky Mountains, the land was regarded as rugged, not as valuable.

00:42:56.340 And it didn't unfold that way.

00:42:58.400 And policy changed in the mid-70s, not leading to that.

00:43:02.020 But this all comes back to something that was actually discussed at the Constitutional Convention.

00:43:07.420 I believe it was Airbridge Gerry of Massachusetts, who in September of 1787 raised a concern, talking about the fact that, you know, it could be a problem.

00:43:18.720 If the U.S. government controlled too much land in some of the states and utilized its vast authority over that land, it could compel those states to an undue sort of subservience to the U.S. government.

00:43:33.580 And it's a legitimate concern.

00:43:36.180 And it's a concern that I think is reflected in this bill.

00:43:38.900 But this bill, more than anything, is there to help the American people afford housing, particularly in states like mine, where there's a lot of federal land that doesn't have any recreational value or aesthetic value or scientific value, but is in a place where people live and need homes.

00:43:54.040 Vets should at least be eligible for consideration.

00:43:57.040 Right now it's not.

00:43:58.060 That's unfair.

00:43:58.760 This bill would fix that.

00:44:00.380 Thanks, Mike.

00:44:01.040 I appreciate it.

00:44:01.680 I got to tell you, there's not a single person that signed the Constitution that would have signed it if they knew the federal government could control 70% of their land.

00:44:11.520 They would never have signed it.

00:44:13.280 Never have signed it.

00:44:14.120 Mike, thank you so much.

00:44:14.960 Appreciate it.

00:44:15.900 All right.

00:44:16.120 Let me tell you about, all you have to do is just get the facts.

00:44:19.560 Just get the facts.

00:44:20.620 And it's so clear on this one.

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The Glenn Beck Program - June 19, 2025

Best of the Program ｜ Guests： Sen. Mike Lee & Alan Dershowitz ｜ 6⧸19⧸25

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