The Glenn Beck Program - September 24, 2021


Best of The Program ｜ Guests： Sen. Mike Lee, Bill O'Reilly, & Glenn Greenwald ｜ 9⧸24⧸21


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Bill O'Reilly and Glenn Greenwald join me to talk about whether Donald Trump will run for president in 2020. Mike Lee and I talk about the Constitution and why we should all learn to understand what the government can and cannot do.

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00:01:51.680 Mike Lee and I were talking on the phone just a couple of nights ago about the Constitution,
00:01:56.960 and I asked him some questions, and I thought, you know, this is an interesting conversation.
00:02:01.600 We should just have some of this on the air. Hi, Mike. How are you?
00:02:05.020 Doing great, Glenn. Good to be with you as always.
00:02:07.340 So, Mike, I was talking to you about ways to understand the Constitution,
00:02:14.820 and I'm working on something to where you don't have to even read it,
00:02:20.320 and I know you don't recommend that,
00:02:23.100 but people have to start to understand what the government can and cannot do.
00:02:29.180 And I was talking to you about we loan our rights out or we give our rights to the government
00:02:42.520 to lend them so they can do the things that we can't do ourselves.
00:02:49.700 For instance, police.
00:02:51.200 We have the right to defend ourselves.
00:02:53.600 We have a right to stop a person from robbing us.
00:02:57.800 We have a right to stop somebody from stealing our stuff.
00:03:01.760 We even have a right to a citizen's arrest and holding somebody until the authorities arrive,
00:03:08.640 and the authorities are using the power that we give them to then take them to trial, etc., etc.
00:03:15.520 We don't have the right to string somebody up, but if we were alone and we were just a bunch of individuals with no government,
00:03:25.260 we would have the right to collectively get together and judge a person,
00:03:29.840 and hopefully it would be fair, and then execute the punishment.
00:03:35.660 Correct or not correct?
00:03:37.260 I think that's correct.
00:03:40.220 Look, all of us are born with certain natural rights, certain God-given rights,
00:03:45.560 fundamental rights that guarantee that we should have the ability to live our lives
00:03:50.460 and to have the protection of life and liberty and property.
00:03:55.840 Government is there to protect those same things, to stand in for us so that we can live our lives
00:04:02.120 and not have to worry constantly about protecting that which is ours.
00:04:06.200 And when we bring government in, we don't give government more power than we ought naturally, morally,
00:04:13.480 to have on our own over our own fellow beings.
00:04:18.240 And so government is there more as a surrogate and security guard than it is a parent.
00:04:23.600 And in fact, Alexis de Tocqueville observed something like this as he was touring America in the 1830s
00:04:30.400 and explaining why our revolution seemed to have taken hold and embraced liberty
00:04:35.160 while the French, not so much.
00:04:38.040 He said, you see, when government steps into the place of a parent,
00:04:42.480 it's preparing children for perpetual childhood and adolescence.
00:04:48.860 Parents, of course, are preparing their children for adulthood.
00:04:52.200 But when government acts that way, it's preparing them for captivity.
00:04:56.580 That's not what we can ever have.
00:04:58.060 That really is what the Declaration of Independence was about.
00:05:01.320 So this is what led me to this thing that I'm working on, is Joe Biden said,
00:05:09.240 it's my job to protect you.
00:05:11.720 And he was talking about the virus.
00:05:13.700 And I thought, no, it's not your job to protect us.
00:05:16.680 It's our job, along with our doctors, and it's my responsibility.
00:05:21.940 Nowhere in your job description does it say you need to protect me outside of military,
00:05:27.700 you know, invasions, et cetera, et cetera.
00:05:30.320 Your job is to protect my rights.
00:05:33.960 And quite honestly, this is why we go to war and we're willing to die,
00:05:38.100 because my rights are more important than my life.
00:05:42.820 My rights that are my children's rights, that's why I'm willing to go and die in a war, 0.58
00:05:50.340 because I need to preserve those rights for future generations.
00:05:55.140 And that's where the government is going wrong.
00:05:57.220 And any time they say the government, the government has to protect us.
00:06:01.120 No, they don't.
00:06:01.960 No, that usually leads to bad things.
00:06:06.340 What actually raises an excellent point, Glenn, what he ought to be focused on
00:06:09.900 is those areas where his statement happens to be true within that narrow sphere.
00:06:14.620 So, yes, it is his job to protect us as commander-in-chief of the armed forces.
00:06:19.780 I wish he had been focusing on that rather than on extraneous things.
00:06:23.140 And maybe the botched withdrawal from Afghanistan wouldn't have been so fatal.
00:06:28.160 So humiliating.
00:06:29.260 He also has the responsibility to protect us through our border, right?
00:06:34.920 He does indeed.
00:06:36.260 He has a constitutional duty to take care that the laws be faithfully executed.
00:06:40.900 That is his job as the chief executive officer of the U.S. government.
00:06:45.440 He didn't do that either.
00:06:47.240 And there, too, the results are tragic.
00:06:50.080 You see, this is what happens with governments.
00:06:51.920 When governments start focusing on the things that they're not supposed to do,
00:06:55.840 they lose sight of the few things they are supposed to do and that we rely on them exclusively to do.
00:07:02.300 Let me, I'd like to continue our conversation.
00:07:10.720 But our rights are being destroyed left and right.
00:07:17.660 And we are fundamentally transforming our economy, our banking system, everything.
00:07:26.300 And, Mike, I don't know how you feel about, you know, some of the things about the Great Reset.
00:07:31.960 But we are developing an entirely new style of government.
00:07:38.140 It's a public-private partnership.
00:07:40.920 And conservatives have always said it's a private corporation.
00:07:44.260 They can do anything.
00:07:45.320 But these corporations now are far more powerful than governments.
00:07:50.480 And I'm not sure which one is running which.
00:07:54.700 And they are also doing the bidding.
00:07:57.480 I think when Joe Biden said, I'm going to have a mandate,
00:08:00.720 he was giving cover to these big corporations to do this for him because he knew he can't.
00:08:07.840 That's why there's no executive order or anything coming from him on this.
00:08:14.500 You know, it's interesting.
00:08:15.520 And almost every oppressive regime that has arisen in modern times,
00:08:21.420 they tend to use this melding of corporate power with government power.
00:08:27.000 And it seems attractive to many from a distance, maybe the best of both worlds.
00:08:32.180 In my view, it ends up being the worst of both worlds
00:08:35.360 because you have neither accountability nor efficiency.
00:08:40.420 You end up with all sorts of horrible combinations.
00:08:45.640 And a lot of this seems to start, Glenn.
00:08:47.280 This is counterintuitive.
00:08:48.880 A lot of it seems to start when people start misapprehending the nature of rights.
00:08:54.300 When you start hearing people refer to rights as things the government must give to them,
00:08:58.860 you're on the high road to bad things.
00:09:01.460 Rights, we have to remember, are things government may not do to you.
00:09:05.900 They are not things government must give to you.
00:09:08.640 Say it again.
00:09:09.560 Say it again.
00:09:10.040 This is really important.
00:09:12.840 Rights are things government may not do to you.
00:09:15.900 They are not things government must give to you by taking them from someone else.
00:09:20.680 Once you depart from that central premise,
00:09:22.920 and from the central premise that government is basically just there
00:09:25.660 to make sure we don't hurt each other, take each other's stuff,
00:09:28.800 or fall vulnerable to those who would harm us as a society from the outside,
00:09:33.340 then we are on the high road toward tyranny.
00:09:36.300 Well, we've been on that road for a very long time.
00:09:42.520 Yeah, but we seem to be accelerating into the turn this time around.
00:09:47.880 Yeah, I think so.
00:09:49.900 And I'm wondering where the Republicans are.
00:09:53.120 I mean, Mike, it is as if the Senate and the House are shadows of what they're supposed to be,
00:10:05.360 and that's an insult to shadows.
00:10:06.760 It is indeed.
00:10:10.100 And I think all the shadows all over the world are now very upset right now that you have to come to us.
00:10:17.540 How dare you?
00:10:18.100 And with good reason.
00:10:21.020 Look, this is one of the features of consolidated power.
00:10:24.000 You know, the whole purpose of the Constitution was to fulfill the promise of the Declaration.
00:10:29.700 It did so by framing the promise of the Declaration.
00:10:33.080 Now, it set up the Senate and the House to be accountable bodies,
00:10:36.540 and it was there to protect the people against the dangerous accumulation of power in the hands of the few.
00:10:41.580 What's happened over time is that we've drawn more and more of this power from the people to Washington.
00:10:45.860 Within Washington, we've handed it over from the legislative branch to the executive branch.
00:10:49.960 Sometimes to the president himself, other times to unelected, unaccountable bureaucrats.
00:10:55.180 And as a result, the legislative muscle of the most accountable branch starts to atrophy.
00:11:01.400 That's the problem we've got with Washington.
00:11:03.440 So the spending bill, I read this morning there are five senators that are Republicans
00:11:09.360 that are pushing for the Republicans to pass a spending bill.
00:11:15.600 I mean, I know it's Mitt Romney.
00:11:17.940 Who else?
00:11:18.380 Look, I'm not sure who is actually pushing to pass a spending bill.
00:11:26.000 There were four of them, I believe, who didn't sign the letter saying that we wouldn't pass a continuing resolution
00:11:32.640 if that continuing resolution contained a debt ceiling increase.
00:11:36.640 I'm not aware of five pushing, certainly, to spend the $3.5 trillion that Democrats want.
00:11:42.100 But I will tell you this, speaking more broadly, because I'm not aware of the article you're describing here,
00:11:47.920 I will say this, there is a tendency over time for people in Washington, Democrats and Republicans alike,
00:11:56.100 to want to spend more of other people's money, even if they are Republicans, because they can always convince themselves
00:12:02.680 that someone will benefit because of this government spending.
00:12:05.800 And it's probably always true.
00:12:08.260 What they neglect is that they have a constitutional and moral responsibility to make sure that they're not spending
00:12:14.320 outside of what we can afford and outside of what is constitutionally appropriate for us to spend.
00:12:21.100 That's what concerns me.
00:12:22.060 And that's why we've, this $30 trillion debt load that we've got, that didn't happen on its own.
00:12:29.880 In fact, people say there's no bipartisanship in Washington.
00:12:36.380 And as we would say in the court, in the courtroom, that assumes facts, not in evidence.
00:12:42.580 Because you don't get to be $30 trillion in debt without a whole lot of Republicans agreeing with a whole lot of Democrats
00:12:49.340 to spend more money than we've got.
00:12:53.060 Senator Mike Lee, thank you so much for being on the phone and all of the hard work that you do.
00:12:58.360 You are a true statesman and a guy who is standing true with your oath and the Constitution and Declaration.
00:13:07.860 And I can't tell you how much I appreciate it.
00:13:09.700 And I think I am not alone in that.
00:13:11.900 Thank you very much.
00:13:13.580 Thanks so much, Glenn.
00:13:14.700 I really appreciate it.
00:13:15.440 Your listeners can follow me at LeeForSenate.com.
00:13:19.420 Thank you very much.
00:13:20.240 Lee for Senate.
00:13:20.980 By the way, I think he is, I mean, he's got so many people coming out to run against him.
00:13:27.060 It's like everybody's running against him.
00:13:29.260 I don't think he has any serious challengers.
00:13:31.820 They seem to be clowns, but maybe that's just me.
00:13:35.800 Lee for Senate.
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00:13:47.980 Mr. Bill O'Reilly.
00:13:52.120 The author of, I don't even know, the 10th book in his multi-million selling killing series.
00:13:58.300 Killing the Mob is the latest.
00:14:00.800 And Bill O'Reilly is just joining us now from BillOReilly.com, where you can watch his no-spin news every night at BillOReilly.com.
00:14:09.040 All right, Bill, biggest story of the week.
00:14:14.220 Biggest story of the week, I would think, would be the polling that shows at this point in history,
00:14:22.620 more people would vote for Trump than Biden if they ran tomorrow.
00:14:28.400 That's a pretty big turnaround, don't you think?
00:14:31.200 Well, seeing that it's only been eight months.
00:14:33.260 Yeah.
00:14:34.180 Yeah.
00:14:35.520 And I mean, there's a spate of articles about how Democrats are panicking
00:14:40.360 because they're not going to get their socialist agenda passed now.
00:14:45.120 When a president starts to weaken, it's like anything else in the power circles.
00:14:51.580 When opponents, they sense weakness, then they become more aggressive.
00:14:59.760 And so the people who don't like Biden, and there are a lot of them, are now saying,
00:15:05.440 you know, this guy's such a screw-up, he's never going to come back, it's never going to get better,
00:15:09.900 so let's bury him now.
00:15:11.440 And so the people in the Democratic Party, who are not real thrilled about being socialist,
00:15:17.880 they now have an excuse not to pass this insane spending bill.
00:15:26.060 Yeah.
00:15:26.220 What's weird is those people that don't like Joe Biden and are now, like, empowered to do stuff
00:15:32.220 doesn't seem like any of those people are Republicans.
00:15:35.500 Republicans, they're still just asleep.
00:15:38.800 They're just...
00:15:39.680 Look, there is an anti-Biden movement in America, and it's fairly strong,
00:15:45.680 even though you don't hear it on the corrupt corporate media.
00:15:50.780 So they shut that down, with the exception of Fox and Newsmax and the right-wing networks.
00:15:57.380 You don't have any regular networks anymore.
00:16:00.000 Isn't that interesting?
00:16:01.120 Mm-hmm.
00:16:01.780 It's either left-wing or right-wing.
00:16:03.700 You don't have any, well, hey, come over here, and we'll, like, tell you what's happening
00:16:08.360 in the fairest way possible.
00:16:09.900 Oh, no.
00:16:11.600 You can't do that.
00:16:13.320 Come on.
00:16:14.880 We have to take a side.
00:16:16.580 Right.
00:16:16.920 But the momentum, if you want to use a sports cliche, is on the side of the anti-Biden people.
00:16:25.680 And even though the corporate media doesn't hate that, they hate it.
00:16:31.060 What are they going to do?
00:16:32.120 You got 15,000 foreign nationals under a bridge in Rio, Texas.
00:16:38.660 I mean, that's a pretty compelling photograph to show.
00:16:44.820 You've got Afghanistan. 0.73
00:16:46.980 We all know what happened there, and it continues to unfold as a horror.
00:16:51.320 And now, you know, we have people paying a buck and a half more a gallon at the gas
00:16:56.380 and paying a lot more for food.
00:16:58.140 So the corporate media, and believe me, there have been meetings about this.
00:17:03.100 They're going, what do we do?
00:17:05.560 What can we do?
00:17:06.400 So that's the big story of the week.
00:17:08.860 Now, I wrote a message of the day on BillOReilly.com today,
00:17:12.660 and I am predicting that you will see horrible new attacks on Donald Trump very soon.
00:17:21.040 That's the only way they can get the attention off the incompetence of Biden
00:17:26.420 is to trump up something, pardon the pun, against the former president.
00:17:31.460 And I expect to see it as early as next week.
00:17:34.980 Wow.
00:17:35.200 That goes, I assume this is because of the new poll that came out that shows Trump would
00:17:43.380 win 51-41, independent voters would overwhelmingly choose the Republican by 20 points over Joe
00:17:50.560 Biden, and Trump would win 52-39 against Harris.
00:17:56.300 Right.
00:17:56.940 So Trump isn't dead.
00:17:58.960 All right.
00:17:59.740 And they got to kill him.
00:18:01.000 And they'll try.
00:18:03.560 I mean, you're going to see stuff emerge.
00:18:07.580 Now, on the other side, the anti-Biden forces, they're latching on to Hunter again.
00:18:14.420 So now Hunter is, he's coming back.
00:18:18.220 But Hunter is...
00:18:19.100 There's Hunter did that.
00:18:19.940 But we have to stop framing this as a Hunter-Biden thing.
00:18:23.960 This is not Hunter-Biden.
00:18:25.680 This is about Joe.
00:18:27.220 They're linking it to Joe.
00:18:28.120 Joe, they're linking it.
00:18:29.460 Look, there was an article yesterday, and I don't know how true it is.
00:18:33.200 I mean, it looked like a lot of speculation to me that Joe Biden dodged hundreds of thousands
00:18:39.320 of dollars in taxes by forming an S-corporation.
00:18:43.380 Now, nobody knows what an S-corporation is, but the headline was, Joe Biden dodged taxes.
00:18:49.980 He wants to tax everybody up to the eyebrows.
00:18:52.160 So what we have in America now is this fierce propaganda war on both sides.
00:18:58.300 And the corporate media, which is the most powerful entity in that propaganda war, they are desperate
00:19:06.280 to keep Biden from going under.
00:19:10.520 And that's why you're going to see in the next few weeks some pretty intense stuff.
00:19:16.560 Well, I think it's good that you will see the intense stuff, hopefully, on Biden.
00:19:25.340 Do you think the do you think the Hunter Biden thing ever goes to the mainstream media?
00:19:31.360 I mean, really, only if he's indicted.
00:19:35.820 So, you know, look, if Hunter Biden is indicted and I can't see that at a federal level, I mean,
00:19:42.920 Merrick Garland is not going to do that.
00:19:44.920 He's the attorney general, of course.
00:19:46.880 But, you know, Hunter Biden did a lot of very shady things.
00:19:50.380 There's no doubt he did.
00:19:51.340 And now there's new emails on his computer that he gave some pawn shop operator.
00:19:59.400 I mean, this guy is totally out of his mind, Hunter.
00:20:02.240 Right.
00:20:02.700 I mean, your computer, you walk into a computer store with loaded with bad stuff and you give
00:20:08.320 it to some guys chewing tobacco.
00:20:10.360 I mean, is that what you're doing?
00:20:12.080 And so there's something here where Hunter Biden could get into formal trouble.
00:20:20.380 And once that happens, it's like the bridge in Del Rio.
00:20:24.580 You can't hide that story.
00:20:26.480 You can't bury the story for eight months.
00:20:31.060 ABC, NBC, CBS buried the border story.
00:20:34.920 Wouldn't report.
00:20:36.060 Now they have to.
00:20:38.780 And now there's a new element of color because of the Haitians. 0.74
00:20:43.820 So who's down there?
00:20:45.760 Al Sharpton.
00:20:47.040 Didn't go well.
00:20:48.500 Yeah.
00:20:49.260 Did Al go down when there were Hondurans? 0.99
00:20:52.800 No.
00:20:54.220 Did he go down for the Nicaraguans or the El Salvador?
00:20:57.960 No.
00:20:58.520 But as soon as there's a Haitian, there's Al. 1.00
00:21:02.760 And so now Biden's got cross currents of the Black Lives Matter, the Al Sharptons because 0.86
00:21:10.640 of the Haitians.
00:21:12.440 Now they're turning on Biden a little bit.
00:21:15.160 Now, this is even worse for The New York Times and The Washington Post.
00:21:19.240 They don't know what to do now because people of color are turning on Biden.
00:21:25.340 And from my purge, because I'm a big picture guy, unlike you, Beck, I'm a big picture guy.
00:21:34.600 I'm seeing a total deterioration, not only of the Biden presidency, but of the corrupt
00:21:41.360 corporate media.
00:21:43.040 Well, they don't know what the deuce to do.
00:21:45.440 70, I think it's 73 percent of the American public in the latest poll I saw blamed the
00:21:53.060 media for this debacle down on the border because they said that.
00:21:57.300 I mean, they they blamed Biden, but more of them also blamed the media because they said
00:22:03.120 they never covered it until now.
00:22:05.760 And if they would have covered it, we would have.
00:22:08.580 Right.
00:22:08.940 We would have been forced to pay attention.
00:22:11.380 Good for the folks.
00:22:12.860 You know, we often talk about people not paying attention and being prisoners to their
00:22:18.340 cell phones.
00:22:20.660 But I think that after a while, when the situation becomes so irredeemable and this applies to
00:22:28.360 Afghanistan and to inflation, that even the dimmest among us, which would be probably Beverly 0.95
00:22:35.300 Hills, Hollywood, they start to go, oh, well, maybe we're on the wrong track here.
00:22:43.300 But, you know, it's just good for the folks.
00:22:46.940 Let me ask you about the covid mandate a week ago.
00:22:51.100 Biden came out and said his patience is running thin.
00:22:54.400 He's going to be mandating these vaccines.
00:22:57.320 And then nothing happened.
00:22:59.400 Why?
00:23:00.920 Because he doesn't want to get into a Supreme Court fight.
00:23:04.800 So Biden can mandate federal workers.
00:23:07.480 They have to take the vacs because they're employed and Biden's in charge of the federal
00:23:12.960 government.
00:23:13.360 So he can do that and he's not going to lose legally.
00:23:16.060 But once he starts to tell Sally in Des Moines, Iowa, that she has to be vaccinated and so do
00:23:22.780 her children, then Biden is into Supreme Court territory. 1.00
00:23:28.580 And I think that the Democrats and the progressives and the people who run by know they have a better
00:23:35.660 than even chance of losing.
00:23:38.520 Because it's unlike smallpox and measles and things like that, the vaccines are not locked
00:23:47.420 down.
00:23:48.080 They will be as they get perfected, but not quite yet.
00:23:53.600 And so the argument can be made that, look, you're forcing people to take a vaccine they
00:23:58.160 don't want and they're not really protected from COVID and look at all the breakthrough
00:24:05.060 and crossover cases.
00:24:07.600 That's enough.
00:24:09.020 So Biden knows that he can't mandate.
00:24:12.740 And if he did, there would be rebellion like there is in Australia.
00:24:16.700 I mean, keeping an eye on Australia, it's just like America, by the way, very similar.
00:24:20.260 And there's riots.
00:24:21.520 There's riots in the streets there now.
00:24:23.320 Right.
00:24:23.620 What the Australian government's doing.
00:24:26.420 Well, the the Biden administration, when he came out and said, I want mandates, the
00:24:31.720 number of people that got vaccines actually has gone down pretty dramatically.
00:24:37.200 So he is.
00:24:38.740 Yeah, you're in the zone now where the persuadables have been persuaded.
00:24:44.700 So you've got 30 to 25 percent of Americans who you can't persuade.
00:24:48.940 They're not going to take the vaccine unless, you know, draconian.
00:24:52.780 I don't think I got news for you.
00:24:54.900 I don't think so.
00:24:55.800 I think I think that by him coming out and saying we're going to vax, we're going to
00:25:00.920 do a vax mandate and my patients are running thin.
00:25:05.280 It's that day that he said that, that the vaccine, the people getting vaccine, those numbers
00:25:11.220 went down.
00:25:12.200 I think the harder he pushes, the more people go, there's something wrong here.
00:25:17.740 This isn't right.
00:25:18.620 What's happening?
00:25:19.480 You're absolutely right.
00:25:20.580 That hardened the resistance and brought sympathy in some precincts to the anti-vax movement
00:25:28.880 because they don't like Biden.
00:25:32.440 I mean, you know, conservative people don't like Biden, but the untold story here, and
00:25:35.760 I'm writing a column partially about this on Sunday again below rally.com is where I am
00:25:41.120 is that the African-American community is by far the most anti-vax community in the United
00:25:49.980 States.
00:25:50.920 You've seen that reported on NBC, ABC or CBS lately?
00:25:55.080 No.
00:25:57.640 No.
00:25:58.560 Black Lives Matter is actually screaming that New York City mandates are racist now.
00:26:05.520 They're out, they're screaming, it's racist.
00:26:09.200 So Black Lives Matter has now allied with the anti-vax movement.
00:26:16.320 Believable, but it's true.
00:26:19.320 We have some audio on that.
00:26:20.960 Let me play the audio.
00:26:22.080 All restaurant industries, the service industry, needs to wake up to the realities that these
00:26:28.360 mandates are unconstitutional.
00:26:31.240 That's right.
00:26:32.280 We need to stand up against them.
00:26:34.780 Because those that are against us thinking that we are either anti-vaccine and whether they
00:26:40.660 are, I don't care.
00:26:42.240 The thing is, I am pro-choice.
00:26:45.160 If they want to choose to get the vaccine and if they want to deny it, they should have
00:26:51.320 the choice to do so.
00:26:53.580 Right.
00:26:53.840 So if you mandate and you push them out of your industries, out of your restaurants, you,
00:27:01.880 my people, are discriminating.
00:27:04.540 It's the same as it was back in the 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s, 2000s.
00:27:10.840 Now, has it changed?
00:27:12.920 You know, he kind of sounds a little like me.
00:27:18.580 I don't care if you're going to get it or not.
00:27:21.340 It's not right.
00:27:22.620 You should have a right to choose.
00:27:25.340 Is that the Black Lives Matter spokesperson?
00:27:27.940 Yes, it is.
00:27:29.400 Okay.
00:27:30.040 Because he didn't ID him.
00:27:31.000 I think his name is Hank Newsome.
00:27:33.720 He is not related to Gavin.
00:27:35.460 Yeah.
00:27:36.060 Yeah, I would love to see that family reunion if that were true, though.
00:27:47.440 This is the best of the Glenn Beck program.
00:27:57.900 Glenn Greenwald should be joining us any minute.
00:27:59.920 Let me just read some of his report.
00:28:01.940 A severe escalation of the war on a free Internet and free discourse has taken place over the last 12 months.
00:28:11.400 Numerous examples of brute and dangerous censorship have emerged.
00:28:15.920 The destruction by big tech monopolies of Parler at the behest of Democratic politicians at the time.
00:28:23.700 That it was the most downloaded app in the country.
00:28:27.540 The banning of the sitting president from social media.
00:28:31.200 The increasingly explicit threats from elected officials in the majority party of legal and regulatory reprisals in the event that tech platforms do not censor more in accordance with their demands.
00:28:43.960 But the most severe episode of all was the joint campaign in the weeks before the 2020 election by the CIA, big tech, the liberal wing of the corporate media and the Democratic Party to censor and suppress a series of major reports about the then presidential frontrunner Joe Biden.
00:29:06.580 October 14th and then on October 15th, 2020, the New York Post, the nation's oldest newspaper, published two news reports on Joe Biden's activities in Ukraine and China that raised serious questions.
00:29:23.820 Glenn Greenwald is here to tell us all about the conclusion.
00:29:30.060 Glenn, how are you?
00:29:33.080 Hey, Glenn. Great to talk to you again.
00:29:34.740 Good. Good. You're probably you're you sound like you're in some foreign distant land.
00:29:39.720 Are you back down in Brazil or are you someplace else?
00:29:43.060 Yeah, I'm in Brazil. I'm in Brazil. Hopefully the connection will be good.
00:29:46.620 Yeah, it's it's fine. Thank you so much for joining me.
00:29:49.620 This is a story that won't go away, but it doesn't seem to ever gain any legs on the corporate media.
00:29:59.220 Tell me about the the campaign that happened.
00:30:04.740 Between the CIA. So go ahead.
00:30:07.780 Yeah. So when the New York Post first reported the story as somebody who has worked many times on large archives of documents and had to stake my reputation in my career on verifying that they were genuine before reporting them.
00:30:24.180 Something I did when I reported on Edward Snowden's archive about the NSA and with WikiLeaks many times and also a big story in Brazil when I got a large archive.
00:30:33.520 And it was obvious to me that the evidence was overwhelming that these documents were authentic.
00:30:37.900 It had every indicia of authenticity that was reported by Fox News, the New York Post, the Daily Caller and others.
00:30:44.560 But the rest of the media, the corporate media, ignored that evidence and tried to lead everybody to believe that the documents were forged, that they were fake.
00:30:55.300 And the biggest gift they got was when the CIA, a bunch of former CIA officials like John Brennan and James Clapper issued a letter saying that they believed that the archive was Russian disinformation, which has two claims to it.
00:31:11.960 One is it came from Russia, but the second, it's disinformation, meaning the documents are fake, and therefore you shouldn't pay attention to them.
00:31:19.340 And in that letter, Glenn, the CIA operatives admitted they had no evidence that it came from Russia or that the documents were fake.
00:31:28.840 They just said it's kind of just our sense that this is the case.
00:31:32.900 Let me read it exactly.
00:31:35.140 We emphasize that we do not know if the emails provided by the New York Post or President Trump's personal attorney, Rudy Giuliani, are genuine or not, and that we do not have evidence of Russian involvement.
00:31:48.440 Just that our experience makes us deeply suspicious that the Russian government played a significant role in this case.
00:31:56.460 Wow.
00:31:58.080 That's just your gut, then.
00:31:59.160 Exactly, exactly, and what's amazing is even they who are, you know, basically trained disinformation agents, such as the CIA and the intelligence community is constructed to do, they're not supposed to do it domestically, as they did during the Trump years, but they do, or they're expected to do it internationally, as they're trained liars.
00:32:18.540 Even they were more honest than what the corporate media ended up using that letter for, which was to say, these intelligence officials say definitively that this is Russian disinformation.
00:32:31.200 And they, you know, you can go through every video from CNN and MSNBC and NBC News and CBS News and The Washington Post, New York Times, where they just say over and over, this is Russian disinformation.
00:32:42.580 And they use that as an excuse not even to discuss the revelations, but the worst thing of all is that Twitter and Facebook then seized on that claim to censor, censor this story from being discussed.
00:32:57.860 So if you try to post a link to the New York Post reporting or other media outlets discussing it, you would get a message saying this link is prohibited.
00:33:06.400 It was one of the most astounding acts of brute censorship by this union of the of the intelligence community, the corporate media and big tech right before our election that I've ever seen.
00:33:17.980 So so, Glenn, where does this story go from here?
00:33:20.880 Because these these emails are coming out.
00:33:24.400 We're getting more and more.
00:33:26.260 They are verified.
00:33:27.740 And it shows it's not a story about Hunter Biden.
00:33:31.140 It is a story about Joe Biden being corrupt to his eyeballs in things like trying to sell access to him to be able to get Libyan money released, access to the Oval Office and to Joe Biden for Mexico and China and money being demanded for these things.
00:33:55.300 This is this is this is some of the most gross corruption of our administration that has actually been able to come out and be proven.
00:34:06.200 I think for me, the biggest corruption, the worst corruption is the journalistic corruption.
00:34:11.500 So the reason we're talking about this story again, aside from the new emails about what he did in Libya, which are extremely incriminating, is because, as I said, from the beginning, there was evidence and proof that these emails were authentic.
00:34:25.300 The problem was they came from right wing outlets and liberals have been trained to just ignore everything that comes from right wing outlets.
00:34:33.700 What we have now is a new book by a young, actually courageous reporter who deserves a lot of credit, Ben Treckinger, who works at Politico as mainstream of an outlet as it gets.
00:34:44.460 Obviously, no friend of the right wing.
00:34:46.200 Right. And in his book, which is all about investigating the Biden, he spent months doing a really deep dive reporting to try and find the proof about whether these emails, the key ones, not the like ancillary ones about Hunter Biden's personal life, which personally I don't care about.
00:35:02.600 But the substantive ones about Joe Biden's deals in China and his interference in Ukraine on behalf of Burisma, which is paying his son $50,000, the actual corruption of Joe Biden, he proved with months of reporting that these emails are accurate.
00:35:18.140 And here's the thing. If he had proven the opposite, if he had, through these months of reporting, had gathered proof that these emails were actually forged, he would be the biggest star in American media right now.
00:35:30.140 He'd be on Good Morning America and the Today Show and every single program.
00:35:34.020 But because his reporting proved that the media lies and that these emails are authentic, he has not been on one of those shows, NPR, CNN, any of the networks.
00:35:44.400 And in fact, Glenn, they won't even mention his book.
00:35:48.700 They won't even acknowledge this proof that everything they told the American people for weeks is an absolute lie.
00:35:55.680 This is Russian disinformation. And in fact, these emails were authentic all along.
00:36:00.180 That is how grotesquely corrupt our media is.
00:36:04.380 Well, we'll call Ben. I'll give him a full hour to talk about his about his book.
00:36:10.980 So what is the solution, Glenn, for the media?
00:36:15.000 Because do you think the media is ever going to take this on and treat this as a real story?
00:36:21.960 Not their part of it, but the but the actual corruption part.
00:36:26.940 No, I mean, that's the other thing is, you know, Ben Treckinger's book.
00:36:31.920 One part of it is confirming the authenticity of the emails.
00:36:35.580 Most of it is about investigating the Biden family the way that every other first family has been investigated.
00:36:42.400 The Clintons, the Obamas, the Trumps, you know, the Bushes.
00:36:47.620 But we don't know very much about the Bidens.
00:36:49.960 And so they've ignored this book, both parts of it.
00:36:52.200 And I think, look, for me, I used to think that the corporate media could be reformed through criticism, through critique, through pressure campaigns.
00:37:03.040 I'm way past that point.
00:37:04.600 I believe they're irredeemably corrupt.
00:37:06.900 They are they lie for as their model on purpose for ideological and business ends.
00:37:12.560 And so I think the solution is, number one, to make people aware as clearly as possible that they should keep and despise the corporate media, that whatever contempt they have for it probably isn't enough.
00:37:26.400 And then, number two, to encourage and build independent platforms that aren't susceptible to censorship by big tax and that aren't subject to the pieties and orthodoxies of these institutions of authority that control what these other outlets have done.
00:37:43.140 And in a lot of ways, they are their own worst enemies.
00:37:45.700 If you look at polling, the media is held in lower esteem than almost any other institution in our society, like right above, you know, like pedophiles.
00:37:53.400 Pedophiles.
00:37:54.420 And they deserve that.
00:37:55.500 And it's important that keep happening so people more and more realize that it's irrational to trust what they say.
00:38:01.940 So can I ask you a question?
00:38:03.340 You had to have thought of things like this and pondered them and maybe come up with a reason for it.
00:38:09.480 Right now, gasoline is up over a dollar.
00:38:12.180 And my whole life has been in the media.
00:38:15.160 And, oh, my gosh, if it's a Republican in office and gas is up, that's all we talk about.
00:38:20.960 The media just covers it.
00:38:22.160 Now, I understood that when the media had everybody by the nose ring and we're leading them around.
00:38:28.180 However, we don't trust the media now.
00:38:31.260 But if the media doesn't talk about Afghanistan, we don't talk about Afghanistan.
00:38:37.440 Why is that?
00:38:38.740 And how do we break that?
00:38:40.360 Yeah, you know, I do think these outlets are losing influence.
00:38:47.500 If you look at, for example, the ratings of the two largest liberal outlets, CNN and MSNBC, they were already in collapse before Trump arrived.
00:39:00.400 All those hosts were about to get fired because nobody was watching their shows.
00:39:05.320 Trump single-handedly saved that part of the media because it gave people a desire to watch.
00:39:11.840 And it enabled them to scare everybody about Trump sufficiently to make people pay attention.
00:39:17.200 And with Trump gone, they're back to disappearing.
00:39:20.120 I mean, the ratings of CNN and MSNBC are humiliatingly little.
00:39:24.480 I mean, they get, you know, on their best days, what like a mid-level YouTuber gets.
00:39:30.200 Yeah.
00:39:30.940 And so, and then you look at, you know, like Fox News and other outlets that challenge the liberal orthodoxies and putting even like OAN and, you know, these maps that are growing.
00:39:39.500 But what's really growing are independent platforms, people who are on Rumble, who are on Substack, who are on YouTube even, who can keep on Twitter.
00:39:48.900 People who have these dissonant voices are able to shape discourse in ways that previously they never were able to do before.
00:39:56.440 And that's the thing that I think needs to be built and fortified.
00:40:00.640 So is the social media, the corporate social media, are they doomed for the same kind of fate?
00:40:13.140 Yeah.
00:40:13.720 I mean, you know, when I, you know, the first time you and I ever talked along was I think like a year or so after I began doing the reporting from Edward Snowden about how the NSA was spying on everybody.
00:40:23.740 Yeah.
00:40:24.260 And my cause back then was a free internet because I always viewed the internet as one of the most important human innovations to free us from the tyranny of centralized government and corporate control.
00:40:36.480 I agree.
00:40:36.740 Because it would enable us to communicate with one another without their intervention.
00:40:41.040 And what the certain story was about and now what big tech censorship is about is this attempt to degrade that internet from this tool of liberation into a tool of coercion.
00:40:52.320 And, yeah, I do think that the kind of, you know, Silicon Valley giants, the monopolies like Facebook and Google and Apple and Amazon are obviously being increasingly controlled in terms of the things you can and can't say on there.
00:41:06.300 And that's why these alternatives like Grumble, like Substack, like people turning to Bitcoin and blockchain, which will decentralize control of how we communicate with one another, are becoming more and more popular.
00:41:20.240 Because what's the point of having an internet if the same corporate and state forces dictate and censor and police what we can say, as always, we're in control beforehand.
00:41:31.340 And the, I mean, the thing that always crosses my mind is there's an awful lot of money and power at stake.
00:41:39.800 And that's why I can't see the United States government, you know, letting Bitcoin and letting social media get out of their grasps.
00:41:52.260 Yeah, I mean, anytime you have a new technology, a new instrument, a new weapon, whatever you want to call it,
00:41:59.560 and the internet can be described as all of those things, that can actually threaten prevailing status quo power and power centers.
00:42:10.020 You're obviously going to have a war over who gets to control it.
00:42:14.040 So if you look at the internet and what's been happening, for example, with privacy,
00:42:18.700 while the NSA and its allies and China and Iran are always looking for ways to control the internet to prevent the scent from circulating,
00:42:28.040 you have privacy activists and technology specialists building tools like encryption in order to stay one step ahead of them.
00:42:36.620 It's kind of like an arms race.
00:42:38.200 Now with Bitcoin and chain, which are being championed by, you know, some of the most influential people in the world,
00:42:45.840 like Jack Dorsey and Elon Musk and others, it's going to be a war over that technology as well.
00:42:51.380 You're going to have the state that's going to try and control it, and you're going to have people who are going to try and fortify it.
00:42:57.340 Just one quick, really interesting thing that I think from history that a lot of people have forgotten.
00:43:01.280 After the bombing of the courthouse in Oklahoma City in 1995, that ultimately was blamed on Timothy McVeigh,
00:43:09.660 the Clinton administration, this was right when the internet was starting,
00:43:12.820 tried to seize on that threat and the fears generated by it.
00:43:16.480 They were all on the cover of Time Magazine every weekend.
00:43:18.680 It was like weekend militias and white militias and all of that.
00:43:22.560 They tried to seize on that fear to introduce legislation that barred encryption
00:43:27.460 or that at least required that the government always have a backdoor to encryption, and they lost.
00:43:33.600 So this battle has been going on for, you know, 20 years over who's going to get to control the internet
00:43:39.280 and how it's going to be functioning.
00:43:41.400 And it's never going to end because that's what institutions of power do is they try and protect their power.
00:43:48.120 Glenn Greenwald, thank you so much for everything.
00:43:50.260 It's always a pleasure to have you on.
00:43:51.760 Appreciate it.
00:43:52.460 Thanks for all the work you do.
00:43:53.580 Yeah, it was great to be with you.
00:43:54.700 Thanks for having me.
00:43:55.680 Look, follow his substack.
00:43:58.880 Just search for Glenn Greenwald.
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