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00:00:00.000 really important show today we go through all the details of what's happening in the supreme court

00:00:04.220 and i think we talked to the only guy that both stew and i would say really is probably the leading

00:00:11.520 authority on what this uh supreme court is going to do and it's a pretty stunning 20 minutes with

00:00:19.660 mike lee yeah it really is and there's a little hope there i mean yeah i more hope than than i

00:00:26.900 i've had in a long time right that's for sure and there's a lot of facts in today's podcast that

00:00:31.060 you're going to hear about what the ruling will really mean because it's all going to be twisted

00:00:37.220 um yes roe versus wade could be overturned but what does that really mean to the average person

00:00:44.620 and what happens after and i think i lay out a pretty good case for what america will begin to

00:00:52.360 look like soon if the supreme court does overthrow roe versus wade that uh and edwin black who is one

00:01:01.680 of my favorite people in the world uh talking about the seven steps of the holocaust and we just touched

00:01:08.760 on the things that have happened here recently we are moving at light speed in the wrong direction

00:01:17.940 oh and one other a woman who is facing over two years in prison because she opened her restaurant 0.93

00:01:25.660 in minnesota the second time the governor put his uh quarantine law in and you won't believe this

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00:02:01.600 so thinking about thinking ahead for a little bit and i am not getting ahead of myself on this i do not

00:02:23.140 believe uh that this is a sure thing that roe versus wade is going to get overturned or anything

00:02:27.660 like the media is presenting it but let's just say it does for a second let's just go down that road

00:02:32.800 it's supposed to come out in like july 2022 a few months before the midterm election yes how does

00:02:43.480 something like that affect politics well first can we start with what does it mean to overturn roe versus

00:02:52.080 wade because i think that if this truth gets out it changes that question it's true i mean i we can

00:03:01.120 overstate the importance of this frankly even as conservatives yes uh you know for example the

00:03:06.500 mississippi law limits abortion to 15 weeks by the way written by a female nurse uh not so for all the 0.99

00:03:12.540 idea of like oh well these men keep trying to tell me about my body yeah female nurse wrote the bill 0.99

00:03:18.080 okay so just zip it um i'm so sick of this crap uh but but if you look at the 15 week bill let's just 0.94

00:03:25.300 say that was approved and mississippi went to a 15 week plan you can have abortions up till 15 weeks 1.00

00:03:32.900 that would still allow about 95 percent of abortions correct okay however i believe mississippi is one of

00:03:42.080 those that have already on the books like texas does if roe versus wade is ever overturned yeah so

00:03:47.920 it's automatically a no abortion state let me take this step by step though what they're actually

00:03:52.980 talking about is this mississippi law that limits it to 15 weeks about 95 percent of abortions happen

00:03:59.520 before 15 weeks anyway okay so and you have to believe there's about four percent more that happened

00:04:07.320 between 16 and 20 weeks and my guess is there's a they move those up a few weeks right you're most of

00:04:14.000 the people that would normally have the abortion between 16 and 20 weeks have it a little earlier

00:04:18.460 before 15 weeks in this situation that would bring you to about 99 percent of abortions and then you're 0.71

00:04:25.660 at a situation where there's still opportunity if you want to go past that to go to different states

00:04:30.460 go to california so what would this actually do how many abortions would it actually prevent 1.00

00:04:34.620 would it turn us into the handmaid's tale and have a gilead government cracking down on us so that

00:04:41.300 women have no choice whatsoever and all these rights are taken away no unfortunately by the way 0.99

00:04:46.360 it would still result in pretty much everybody that wants to have an abortion having an abortion 0.99

00:04:52.300 if roe versus wade were to get overturned completely however as you point out many states red states

00:05:00.940 have triggers in their constitution blue states have the opposite triggers which automatically would

00:05:07.700 make abortion illegal in their state various ways to do this but basically if that if that ruling comes

00:05:15.180 down in a bunch of states you just have it be illegal uh to have an abortion and in states like

00:05:21.820 california for example it would automatically become legal so right off the bat uh you wouldn't have

00:05:28.440 you'd have a bunch of different changes in the law but there would be states where it would be

00:05:32.180 illegal there's a a pro-abortion group that came out with a map that said here's what's going to

00:05:37.280 happen and they i think this is uh optimistic from our point of view said about 26 states would get rid

00:05:45.740 of it i think that's probably too high but it's you know it's probably at least 20 states that would do

00:05:51.140 it but i'm taking their map because they're a pro uh choice organization and they want they see this

00:05:57.320 as a violation of rights so what is the most arduous thing that could happen to a woman who wanted to 0.99

00:06:03.720 have an abortion what is the worst case scenario how far would you have to drive to get an abortion

00:06:11.340 in the united states the absolute farthest distance would be basically from southern florida

00:06:18.260 to north carolina which is about a 12-hour drive now i've that's not nothing right it's probably a lot

00:06:26.640 harder than it is today what if you can't drive you're a woman and you can't drive then you could 1.00

00:06:30.480 fly in two hours what if you don't have any legs to be able to you know get to the airport then i

00:06:38.420 guarantee you there will be a pro-choice organization that will transport you across the borders and no

00:06:43.180 hands so you can't answer the phone you hopefully you have an alexa nearby and you can take the phone

00:06:49.380 call that what if you're so poor and you live in a place where the internets are all so slow

00:06:56.760 see this is these are the people you're not thinking of that is definitely not the person

00:07:02.620 i'm thinking of uh but yes there would certainly be a way there but my point though is that a two

00:07:07.700 hour flight which by the way costs less than the actual abortion would be an option for you to fly 0.87

00:07:13.560 into one of these states or you would have to take a you'd have to drive one one day have the

00:07:18.920 operation maybe stay over in a hotel and come back after that it's not nothing but is it honestly

00:07:26.480 honestly do we actually claim that this is some massive violation even if you believe abortion is a

00:07:34.700 is a i know but it's not honest is what i'm saying no i know that if if even if you believe abortion

00:07:39.640 is a fundamental human right which is completely against all history and common sense but if you

00:07:46.320 do believe that what you would have to do is invest a day or two in traveling to get one and i guarantee

00:07:53.800 you all of these organizations that say it's a human right and what your donations are going to

00:07:59.140 accept donations from rich liberals all around the country to transport these women to these places

00:08:04.280 to do this and they will just like uh you realize when you have um different tax laws on tobacco

00:08:12.080 there will be abortion huts popping up right on the border of all of these states to serve all of these 0.98

00:08:18.160 people i think that's a terrible outcome but we have to recognize that it's real what else is real

00:08:24.760 is there are organizations that already exist overseas that will mail you abortion pills if you live in

00:08:32.020 an area where they believe abortion is too restrictive the rules against it are too restrictive

00:08:37.280 so it is going to be basically impossible to eliminate this horror show by law the only solution

00:08:48.180 to this long term and this does not mean that we we still go through this court process we still make

00:08:52.920 it illegal everywhere we can we do everything we can to save even one life because that's really

00:08:57.420 important but the only way to make this horror show to go away in in a real in a real long-term

00:09:02.600 fashion is to win the hearts and minds of people to realize how terrible this is if you made slavery

00:09:09.720 legal tomorrow no one would be getting slaves because everyone recognizes that slavery is terrible

00:09:15.320 right you have to win people over on this you have to persuade them over a long period of time i believe

00:09:22.700 honestly that that will happen i do believe eventually this country and this world will

00:09:27.920 eventually see this process for what it is so it's going to take a long time all right so that is why

00:09:33.480 our that's why planned parenthood is in our schools right now they're in our schools right now this is why

00:09:39.640 this is all being jammed down their throats because they believe you have to win the hearts and minds

00:09:45.020 of uh of kids and the next generation and they are doing that effectively now your original

00:09:52.160 question to me was what does this mean politically yeah what is this how does this affect the 2022

00:09:56.860 election because i will say that i i think it could honestly cost republicans the election fine

00:10:04.140 i think that's where i am too yeah you know you want to say if that's the cost of getting rid of

00:10:09.540 roe versus wade then that's the cost of getting rid of roe versus wade okay here's the thing here's

00:10:14.240 what's going to happen if it was overturned um and again we're looking at july the media is going to

00:10:21.520 hype this as if it's a loss already for the left they'll be doing that now until the court comes

00:10:30.480 out they are going to be saying uh you know we're going to be living um you know the handmaiden's

00:10:35.940 tale it's coming it's coming it's coming just to juice the left up that's what's going to happen now

00:10:41.960 uh and it already is if it does turn out that they don't take any half measures which i don't know

00:10:51.000 i can't find them in the court case yesterday at least um they're going to have to decide it either

00:10:58.320 stands uh minnesota the viability thing is either is either good or we're going to stick to roe versus

00:11:08.400 wade uh one or the other um and it will have abortion huts on all of the borders of states that 0.91

00:11:17.700 don't do abortion it's a horrible outcome you're going to see the biggest thing is a bigger divide

00:11:25.600 in america and this is why i said okay if it costs 2022

00:11:30.880 i know this is uh dangerous to say because we can't afford to lose 2022 but this is a soul thing

00:11:43.680 if we are on the side of saving children and we are these are babies these are children this is the

00:11:53.380 second leading cause of death in america abortion it's between heart disease and the third is cancer

00:12:04.940 abortion is number two think of the souls and the blood that is on all of our hands so if we lose

00:12:17.180 fine so be it that may be the sacrifice that we give up and say lord can you help protect us again

00:12:26.820 please because we may lose we really need some divine providence to happen here and i would rather trust

00:12:36.440 god than the voting machines quite honestly and i'd rather position myself on his side and the side

00:12:45.100 of history you just have to know we are on the right side of history science is going to continue

00:12:53.240 to move that line of viability back further and further and further people are going to see

00:13:02.240 in the end what a monstrosity this really is i believe truly that in a hundred years

00:13:11.100 we are going to be looked back on as barbarians we they are you they really just killed all their

00:13:19.900 children it was the second leading cause of death and people didn't even talk about it we are going

00:13:27.560 to be looked at as barbarians so what's going to happen you're going to have a deeper divide

00:13:36.140 and you're going to see the death cult get stronger they are because you know and i know

00:13:43.640 that when it says 15 weeks if they decide that the mississippi law stands that means that you can now

00:13:54.120 have states decide we're not doing abortion or we are everyone knows that mississippi is not going 1.00

00:14:01.520 to say 15 weeks if they're really free they're going to say no abortion texas no abortion and there's

00:14:09.780 several states that will say no abortion they're not going to say in the blue states oh abortion as it

00:14:17.360 is they too have an agenda they want abortions after birth so you're going to see states that go

00:14:28.420 further in the other direction you're going to see evil increase in those states guarantee it

00:14:38.220 guarantee it they've already told you that's what they want let the baby be born and then the mother 0.92

00:14:46.820 has a time period where she can decide whether she wants to keep it or not they've already said that in

00:14:53.060 virginia and in new york so i personally like to know what i'm dealing with and i believe that we

00:15:04.700 are not fighting flesh and bone we're not fighting our neighbors we're not fighting the democrats we're

00:15:09.540 fighting evil evil has a chokehold on a lot of people right now and i'd rather have all of the people

00:15:18.220 who aren't uh captivated by evil yet before they get sucked in because it's awfully seductive and easy

00:15:27.800 i'd much rather have it exposed so the good people can remain good people and say yeah we're not part

00:15:34.680 of that at all because look at the death cult this is they said that they were just standing up they're

00:15:42.080 not they're now killing babies after birth get out of there this is the best of the glenbeck program

00:15:52.740 oh my gosh we are dealing with so much insanity so much insanity and i'm telling you all we have to do

00:16:04.120 is just live by the constitution and the bill of rights every argument you you have with people um

00:16:11.980 you should you should be able to know i can talk to you or not just by asking this when they start

00:16:18.160 they ask you something political they want to talk about political say hey listen i just want to know

00:16:22.640 you know the ground rules here before we talk i want to know if we have enough in common

00:16:27.260 um to be able to discuss things because if we don't have this in common

00:16:31.900 then we're just going to argue and it i'd rather just be your friend and the question is do you

00:16:38.720 agree with the bill of rights do you agree with the bill of rights because if you agree with the bill

00:16:43.800 of rights so many of our problems leave the political realm and become very clear very common

00:16:51.020 sense do you believe in the bill of rights that's why it's so dangerous when politicians say this isn't

00:16:58.220 about your freedom yes it is because once you start cutting the corners of the bill of rights

00:17:05.040 all freedoms are lost because it's a little here and a little there and a little here and then a little

00:17:10.600 more over here and it's all gone and that's the point we're at let me give you an example

00:17:18.160 should the government be able to close you down and drive you out of business without compensation

00:17:28.780 and i mean real compensation i think the lawsuits against the federal government is you put my business

00:17:36.400 out of business and you should pay for my business because you took it from me and you wouldn't let me

00:17:46.900 open up and if if i tried to stay alive then you came in and you put all kinds of fines on me

00:17:55.060 you even threatened me with jail time i'm going to give you a story that this woman all she did 1.00

00:18:01.360 is she has a restaurant she tried to keep it open she faces criminal charges for staying open during

00:18:10.620 covid 19 mandates her jury trial is coming up on monday she could go to prison this is insane 0.93

00:18:21.900 lisa hansen is with us now hello lisa

00:18:25.020 hi glenn thank you so much for having me on your show i can't believe i mean most of us feel you know

00:18:33.220 live in texas covid is not a thing anymore it just doesn't bother people down here anymore

00:18:38.760 where are you tell me the story of what happened

00:18:41.980 so i guess just if i can start off with this glenn um i just want to be very clear uh to your

00:18:49.100 listening audience and this has been my message all along you know in the beginning when um all this

00:18:54.180 took place uh this is never the the fight that i'm fighting has never been just about me and my

00:18:59.560 company um if it had just been about me and my company i would have just closed my doors and

00:19:04.420 walked away and figured out how to pay off the debt you know quietly and and gone off into the

00:19:08.820 you know great blue yonder whatever but right this has been about the people of minnesota and really for

00:19:15.860 the people of the united states of america i'm thinking here our children and our grandchildren

00:19:20.560 so just to be clear that's what this is all about there's no way i would have fought this fight

00:19:25.820 just for little old me so what happened glenn back in uh last year 2020 um you know the governor

00:19:31.780 our governor governor waltz uh closed down bars and restaurants and some other small businesses the

00:19:38.000 first part of the year they're early early in the year and uh i complied second shutdown and i and i

00:19:44.380 didn't survive the the business somehow we kept our doors open we did everything we could do um you

00:19:49.000 know as entrepreneurs we could try to figure it out um but i said i can't survive a second shutdown if

00:19:54.160 he does this again which he did he shut us down a second time in november of 2020 told my husband i

00:19:59.840 said i'm either uh shutting down permanently closing my doors forever or i am opening up fully because

00:20:06.660 what he's doing what the state is doing against us is wrong so uh i guess it uh you know chose to

00:20:14.560 open up fully um because that was the right thing to do and um it was the right thing to do for for our

00:20:21.120 kids for our grandkids i have eight kids i have nine grandkids with three on the way and i'm thinking

00:20:26.660 of them and future generations and everybody else's kids and grandkids right this is america so

00:20:32.140 so they the once i opened back up fully uh stopped following the uh unlawful mandates uh that are not law

00:20:40.300 um governor can't make laws uh the state comes after me hard and heavy and uh uh files criminal and

00:20:48.020 civil charges against me and that's what i've been dealing with and we're going on almost a year

00:20:52.360 now it was december 16th last year when i opened my doors fully the day after i got a cease and desist

00:20:57.800 from the state so and in minnesota i just want to make sure in minnesota the government the governor

00:21:03.480 has no right to enact a law and no authority with the executive branch to enforce even the emergency

00:21:11.000 orders is that right absolutely right he has no authority uh there's no authority the executive

00:21:17.900 branch has no authority to enforce his executive orders he didn't even have he calls it a a uh

00:21:24.920 act of nature which in in uh 2005 the legislation actually took away the power or the authority for

00:21:33.240 governor to enact uh an act of nature uh emergency it was the emergency order yeah due to for emergency

00:21:41.680 order right so instead he in his executive order he calls it excuse me not active nature i'm using the

00:21:47.540 wrong terminology here he called it a uh act he called it an act of nature but in the next uh sentence uh

00:21:55.400 in his executive order if you'll look at it um it is actually he refers to the federal government

00:22:01.080 calling it a health emergency which so so which that the health emergency is what the legislature

00:22:10.060 removed uh from the governor to be able to to be able to enact that sort of mandate so anyway

00:22:16.680 we have so much corruption on every level not only is you know the the executive branch um i guess the

00:22:24.620 best way to describe what's happening is that the judiciary is in lockstep with the executive branch

00:22:29.940 in allowing the governor to usurp the limitations of power that are placed upon him by the state and

00:22:36.420 federal constitutions so the judicial corruption involved are in my case cases involves a refusal to

00:22:44.160 address the legal issues absolute refusal um that have answered if they were answered by a truly

00:22:50.920 independent judiciary having the duty to protect the rights of the people uh from the usurpation of the

00:22:57.280 power by by the legislative and executive branches it would destroy the power structure that now has

00:23:04.220 the people serving the government contrary to the original original order of sovereignty of god man

00:23:11.200 government that's really what we're dealing with your your problem in minnesota is you've got george

00:23:17.300 soros uh affecting your judiciary and you also have keith ellison as your attorney general

00:23:22.660 i mean you're in trouble up there those are those are two major problems aren't they yes they are

00:23:28.480 they are yeah yeah so what we have as far as the the judiciary process here is uh you know i've had

00:23:36.180 a very um i work with a great team national action task force um they've been uh you know helping me

00:23:43.720 uh as i'm going through this and and i present as sui jurist or some people might want to say pro se

00:23:49.640 um and and so i don't have a lawyer and the reason that i'm doing that and i think this is really

00:23:55.700 important glenn what i've seen from other folks in the state of minnesota going through the same

00:24:00.220 thing that i am where they defied the governor's suggestion to shut down um you know state comes

00:24:06.860 after them they hire a lawyer what i'm seeing happening is they're losing their cases they're

00:24:11.640 making plea deals with with the government and and i said that that's not going to do what we what we

00:24:18.540 are looking for is we're looking for a return of liberties and freedoms in the state of minnesota

00:24:22.720 so and so the only way to be able to do that is to go into this uh court of law without an attorney

00:24:29.260 because attorneys are so dang limited so i'm i just i you know i i've watched enough matlock and and

00:24:37.780 enough uh uh uh la law to know not having an attorney is usually frowned upon

00:24:46.240 and especially in the state of minnesota they don't like it when you step outside of the uh the

00:24:53.720 rules of their game and so they have tried to force me in fact in the civil case glenn i'll let you know

00:24:59.300 this the civil case has actually been ruled upon by a by a judge and um he he ruled he would not allow

00:25:08.520 me listen to this i'm a single shareholder i own my company i'm the only shareholder

00:25:14.300 he would not allow me to represent my company that was being sued by the state although even though

00:25:23.500 the statutes the minnesota statutes clearly allow a single shareholder to represent their company

00:25:30.500 he would not allow it and so therefore i was not allowed in the courtroom um and therefore i have

00:25:37.860 what that's an eighteen thousand dollar fine or a sanctioned against me uh because i supposedly lost

00:25:43.560 that case because he would not allow me he wouldn't follow the law and allow me to uh represent my

00:25:48.760 company i uh this is insane what's going on you're looking at what almost three years in jail right

00:25:59.520 right uh-huh it's a real possibility 810 days how i say 800 and 10 days yeah up to nine thousand

00:26:09.480 dollars in fines um so so pre-trial happened last week uh the day before thanksgiving we went into

00:26:16.760 pre-trial it was probably i was told it was the longest one of the longest pre-trials or maybe the

00:26:20.560 longest pre-trial in the history of one of the uh deputies that was there uh uh uh watching over the

00:26:26.720 case and uh there's almost a three-hour pre-trial the reason it was so long is because there are so

00:26:33.280 many legal constitutional statutory legal issues on the record and i went point by point by point with

00:26:39.060 the judge now in a pre-trial according to statute uh the judge is required to hear and to make

00:26:45.580 determinations correct at that pre-trial correct no determination was made zero determinations were

00:26:52.560 made now i'm going into pre-trial on monday december 6th with with no sorry not pre-trial

00:26:59.420 jury trial i'm going into jury trial on monday december 6th i have no determinant no determinations

00:27:05.660 have been been made no rulings have been made no answers have been given to me on all my uh legal

00:27:11.740 issues and i did send you that document um i know it's a lot to go through but it's really interesting

00:27:17.200 to see how this is all playing out it's as if there's no rule of law anymore the judge should

00:27:22.880 have and you know what glenn i still have no today is thursday a week later i still have no determination

00:27:29.620 from the judge on so how are you supposed to be i mean is a judge just going to tell you oh yeah you

00:27:35.440 can't bring that up you can't do that during the trial what i wouldn't be surprised i won't be

00:27:42.740 surprised and i will stand on my constitutional and common law rights i will absolutely stand on the

00:27:48.320 on what is what is is given to us as as the people um i'm going to hold his his feet to the fire

00:27:55.500 and and he's he's he's got to do one of two things he's got to allow me to present

00:28:00.300 my defense i i have the right to defend myself so let me let me ask you is there is is there video

00:28:08.620 allowed in this trial i mean do they have a a camera that you can get public access for

00:28:15.520 well well if i understand you correctly um um no there's no video no audio allowed

00:28:22.100 in this public trial mind you find out find out about that because i i would love to i'd love to have

00:28:28.860 some attorneys uh watch this uh this should be this should be seen um uh if not i'd like to know

00:28:37.300 somebody who is a a real journalist that is on the freedom side that could actually go to the court

00:28:43.220 or maybe maybe there's somebody in our audience that is a very good attorney that could go sit in

00:28:48.020 the court and give us a blow by blow on what's happening um in your case i've got to run but i do

00:28:54.800 want to say this she has set up a go fund me uh page her goal is to raise thirty thousand dollars 0.98

00:29:00.840 as of uh wednesday afternoon that was yesterday twelve thousand dollars have been raised uh what

00:29:08.680 is the what is the go fund me page it's go fund me slash we the people together and that's a hyphen

00:29:17.480 in between we hyphen the hyphen people hyphen together we the people together gofundme.com

00:29:24.940 thank you so much lisa we will follow up on this and let you know what is going on and if there's

00:29:30.740 anything we can do to help you let us know again gofundme.com slash we the people

00:29:36.120 the best of the glenbeck program

00:29:42.080 so there's an amicus brief that was filed uh mike lee ted cruz josh holly uh as a friend of the court

00:30:01.200 supporting this mississippi law we wanted to get mike lee's thoughts on uh what happened yesterday and

00:30:10.000 where the court may be headed hi mike hello good to be with you yeah good to have you so tell me i'm

00:30:17.680 i'm i can't wait to hear look there were really strong arguments made yesterday they made it a great

00:30:27.780 case against roe and against casey at the end of the day as i pointed out in the front of the court

00:30:35.520 brief that i submitted along with senators holly and cruz there isn't a constitutional case

00:30:43.160 to be made for roe and casey nor is there a case for applying stare decisis deferring to the court's

00:30:50.960 own prior precedent here because that precedent is proven so unworkable shoot the lower courts

00:30:56.820 let alone the supreme court itself can't even agree on what roe and casey mean and what its outer

00:31:03.380 bound limits are and for that very reason it it can't stand but there's a reason for that when you

00:31:11.360 make something up out of whole cloth when it has no foundation at all in the constitution or in 500

00:31:17.400 years of anglo-american jurisprudence things are going to get really messed up and that's exactly what

00:31:24.080 has happened i think yesterday a compelling case was made for the fact that roe and casey will be

00:31:30.180 overruled and that the mississippi law will be upheld so in your conclusion on this amicus brief

00:31:35.820 you say the status quo is unattainable where legal doctrine has repeatedly failed to offer clarity

00:31:43.120 where it is proved unworkable in the past and will likely engender unpredictable consequences in the

00:31:49.020 future its existence constitutes an open invitation to judges to interpret it according to their own policy

00:31:55.400 preferences usurping the constitutional prerogatives of the legislature um that actually i think is

00:32:03.600 the the other side feels kind of the same way that you can't have you you cannot um have a halfway measure

00:32:14.340 here it's either all in or all out yeah i i think i think that's right and i think the answer has to be

00:32:23.560 all in the reason glenn is this is a legislative determination it is not a judicial one it's not

00:32:30.260 rooted in the constitution and to be very very clear i it's important to to to remind ourselves

00:32:36.720 that overturning roe and casey does not mean that abortion would all of a sudden automatically be

00:32:45.020 unlawful uh throughout the united states of america doesn't make it illegal doesn't make it criminal

00:32:51.440 it simply says people can decide these things through their elected lawmakers and the folks in

00:32:58.240 mississippi have decided that they want to protect unborn human life after 15 weeks of development

00:33:03.500 after the baby has developed eyelids and fingers and toes and the baby can suck her thumb other states 0.59

00:33:10.660 might decide to do differently i suspect that the abortion laws in massachusetts and new york 0.97

00:33:17.260 post overturning of roe and casey would look different from those in mississippi or utah i think

00:33:23.660 mike i think they're going to that's what we live in that's our government i think that we are looking

00:33:28.100 at the you know because we're not going to limit it to 15 weeks if this is overturned

00:33:34.360 texas and mississippi they're going to say no no abortion here but you're going to see the opposite 0.94

00:33:39.840 in california and massachusetts and and new york you're going to see yeah well maybe i can kill 0.99

00:33:46.480 them after they're after they're born because that's really where they're going it's a death cult 0.98

00:33:50.560 and that's really where they're headed that's what they want and uh i think you're going to see

00:33:56.460 i think you're going to see some real um crazy uh but eye-opening decisions in states

00:34:04.740 if this is overturned would you agree with that yes i i think that's absolutely right 0.97

00:34:11.200 that's that's how the constitution works people are allowed to enact foolish crazy ridiculous laws

00:34:20.540 in their respective states uh not every bad idea is unconstitutional and no matter how bad their laws

00:34:29.800 get in this area it doesn't mean that they can't do it our constitutional structure is set up in such

00:34:36.220 a way as to allow people to enact the laws that they deem appropriate so subject to certain limitations

00:34:42.160 imposed on the states by the constitution as long as you don't transgress one of those

00:34:45.660 and an abortion isn't on the list of things that states can't do in the constitution then you're okay

00:34:52.060 so when you had i think it was kagan yesterday that said um you know there's lots of things

00:35:00.420 no sotomayor there's a lot of things that are not in the constitution i actually cheered for that

00:35:07.120 because they were going for what what specifically what right in the constitution is being violated

00:35:13.560 and they couldn't really come up with one there was they asked several times what is it that you're

00:35:19.740 saying is constitutionally protected here um and sotomayor came out and said well there's lots of

00:35:26.160 things that aren't in the constitution well yes doesn't that make the case for mississippi that it goes

00:35:33.920 back according to the 10th amendment to the people and the states yes that is absolutely what it says

00:35:44.220 by the way speaking of justice sotomayor i thought she was very tone deaf on this and so many issues 0.66

00:35:51.720 one low light of the entire conversation was when justice sotomayor very offensively stated that a

00:35:58.300 baby's reaction to painful stimuli in the womb does not necessarily indicate that the child in fact feels

00:36:05.380 pain and she referenced people in vegetative states that have some muscle movement to painful

00:36:12.720 stimulus what the heck is that supposed to mean hang on just a second let me play that cut

00:36:17.540 they're not people cut 18 from sotomayor here here's what he's talking about the literature is

00:36:22.900 filled with episodes of people who are completely and utterly dangered responding to stimuli

00:36:30.400 um it there's about 40 percent of dead people who if you touch their feet the foot will recoil

00:36:40.720 there are spontaneous acts by dead brain people so i don't think that a response

00:36:50.260 to uh by a fetus necessarily proves that there's a sensation of pain or that there's consciousness

00:37:01.160 well what what position a the the science will show that's not true follow the science i hate to say

00:37:08.100 that um the science will show that's not true but what in her judicial role mike gives her thought 0.92

00:37:15.880 that maybe that's a good constitutional point to throw out there i i almost hesitate to answer the

00:37:25.140 question because it's so gruesome but i think she somehow thinks that unless a person is able to

00:37:32.740 communicate with the world if they are in a vegetative state or if they are as she put it

00:37:38.460 dead brain people i don't know what a dead brain person is i assume she meant brain dead people

00:37:44.920 uh that that that they're not human life see that's that's the essence of what we're dealing with here

00:37:50.820 we're dealing with human beings who are deemed less than human glenn bad things happen in any

00:37:59.120 civilization bad things have happened in our civilization whenever we have allowed societies

00:38:04.500 to treat some people as not human that's exactly what's happening here and they've made it up out of

00:38:11.080 whole cloth look we need to get back to the constitution here and we need to allow elected lawmakers

00:38:18.980 to make laws not nine lawyers dressed up in robes i will tell you this mike that i really believe i

00:38:25.860 read an article that said pretty much the same thing today um from the federalist uh that the response

00:38:35.100 will be in the end from the right mike lee that mike lee uh will be the next supreme court justice if this

00:38:44.900 fails um we are so fed up with with uh you know giving and well we're just going to trust and we didn't

00:38:54.240 really know for sure we want to know we want to know it's time to know do you believe that that is a

00:39:01.820 constitutionally protected right or not and if you say no uh it's not great if you say well i'm not sure

00:39:09.860 i wouldn't want to speak out about the goodbye it's time to know that our supreme court justices

00:39:17.580 understand the constitution and read it the same way as the people who are electing the president

00:39:25.480 to choose that person

00:39:27.540 it would be a novel concept for us to know that it's especially important when you live in an era

00:39:36.840 in which judges have taken upon themselves the mantle of lawmakers i look forward to the day

00:39:43.020 when that's no longer the case but i want to be very clear this is that case this needs to happen

00:39:51.720 now in this case there isn't really going to be a better opportunity than this case if they try to

00:39:59.400 find a middle ground on this one if they try to preserve rowan casey while upholding this law

00:40:04.780 it doesn't work why not going to work because we will be saddled with the same infirm foundation

00:40:11.780 that we've had for 48 years look uh there were 19 years that passed between when rowe was decided

00:40:19.120 in 1973 and casey was decided in 1992 the time that was uh that that decision was rendered justice

00:40:27.240 kennedy proclaimed for the court oh okay the debate is finally over we're finally putting this to rest

00:40:32.380 19 years after row 29 years have now elapsed since casey to now it hasn't been put to rest

00:40:40.660 and it hasn't been because it's built on nothing and you can't take a debatable matter in society and

00:40:49.940 render it beyond debate while quoting the constitution unless what you're quoting from

00:40:55.320 the constitution actually supports what you say it does this isn't going away this case has to be

00:41:01.700 decided and that decision has to involve overturning rowe versus wade looking at their case on the other

00:41:07.460 side fairly from their perspective can you find anything in what they say that ties to the

00:41:16.520 constitution not the way you read it but the way they read it can you find because i couldn't find

00:41:21.820 it yesterday and i think that uh thomas and others were like where what are we talking about

00:41:27.940 can you find what they're saying is constitutionally protected no no you can't find it and and have they

00:41:38.500 articulated anything yeah yeah well if if they explain it now very rarely when you try to pin someone down

00:41:46.840 will they go through all the motions uh to explain it but if you did if you could for those who could go

00:41:52.880 through the analysis they couldn't do it without falling back on these really weird terms talking

00:42:01.340 about emanations collectively overlapping and forming penumbras going out from freestanding existing

00:42:09.700 constitutional protections that are themselves broad enough to cover privacy within the marital

00:42:16.760 bedroom extending to the killing of an unborn child those kinds of verbal gymnastics are what you have 0.97

00:42:24.080 to go through uh adding inference upon inference based on language that's not even in the constitution

00:42:30.460 that's how they got to the fifth amendment i think because i heard them quote the fifth amendment i'm

00:42:37.380 looking at it i'm like there's nothing in the fifth amendment that would even remotely cover abortion

00:42:42.740 is there okay so so they they would have been more likely referring to the due process clause

00:42:50.960 of the 14th amendment we're dealing with the state law here the 14th amendment's due process clause deals

00:42:56.760 with the states the fifth amendment's due process clause deals with congress with the federal government

00:43:02.100 and so they they believe that it's an outgrowth of due process therefore the 14th amendment's version of

00:43:08.900 of the due process clause and that due process when read in conjunction with other freestanding

00:43:15.040 uh protections in the bill of rights uh uh includes abortion because there are emanations from each of

00:43:23.760 those freestanding uh protections in those form penumbras of these shadowy things it makes no sense look

00:43:29.600 when when my when my twin boys james and john were in junior high i required them to read briswold

00:43:35.600 versus connecticut which was the predecessor case to roe versus way to put them in different parts

00:43:39.940 of the house i wanted them to read it and just see what they thought they could both recognize in

00:43:45.600 junior high that this was made up if this was like an insult to verbal gymnastics these were contortions

00:43:53.500 they were deceptions let me let me pretend i didn't know that acting as lawmakers let me pretend i

00:43:58.160 didn't know that case by heart what was the name of it again you had your son's read

00:44:03.400 what is it yes griswold versus griswold versus connecticut okay i'm sure this is discussed all

00:44:09.900 the time at the dinner table and oh yeah and my kids i had them read it you know but long before

00:44:14.440 york i had them read it in fourth grade but that's a different story um real quick guys i i've got to

00:44:18.560 go to a network break but mike how does this end do you think i believe it ends with the overturning of

00:44:26.400 roe versus way to i think there will likely be five votes possibly six to overturn roe and casey

00:44:33.480 the supreme court the nine justices alone no staff anyone else will meet tomorrow afternoon

00:44:40.480 in private to discuss the case the case will then be more or less decided we won't know what the

00:44:46.620 outcome is until likely late june wow so mike if you're a praying person i'd encourage you to pray

00:44:53.400 for the court between now and tomorrow thank you so much god bless you mike thanks

00:44:58.780 thank you senator mike lee uh from utah and i hope someday supreme court justice

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