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00:00:00.360 I mean, I think some people are always going to have a problem with us bringing on some

00:00:04.400 candidate they don't like.

00:00:05.580 Oh, you'll have people that don't like that we brought on Donald Trump.

00:00:08.640 Yeah.

00:00:08.860 People who don't like that we brought on Ron DeSantis.

00:00:10.940 People that don't like that we would bring on now Nikki Haley just announced her presidential

00:00:14.860 bid and it's on the campaign trail.

00:00:16.880 I mean, they're always going to get mad.

00:00:17.840 But that's not our job.

00:00:18.920 Right.

00:00:19.300 And, you know, the most divisive time among conservatives is the primary people.

00:00:24.420 Everybody gets mad at everybody because they feel like, OK, well, we kind of feel like

00:00:27.820 we're all sort of on the general same side on a lot of this stuff.

00:00:31.040 Conservatives listening to conservative shows.

00:00:33.140 And then you bring you're on one candidate and you love this one candidate.

00:00:36.220 You hear another candidate and your host isn't bashing them or you love that candidate and

00:00:41.120 the host is critical.

00:00:42.660 People get really sensitive on our job.

00:00:46.140 This is how I look at it.

00:00:47.140 Yeah, because this is different than 2016.

00:00:52.120 I had a definite opinion and it turns out, I think, in many ways, my opinion was

00:00:57.320 inaccurate, but I am I don't think it is our job to decide.

00:01:04.100 It's our job to decide as individuals for ourselves.

00:01:06.760 But I would like to set kind of this attitude that is friend to all, but not a softy.

00:01:14.860 If your ask is the listener is asking a question about that candidate, that's the question we

00:01:22.880 should ask both positive and negative as long as it's fair.

00:01:26.880 Yeah.

00:01:28.220 And then let them decide.

00:01:30.040 I'm not even sure if we should comment after they're on.

00:01:34.900 Yeah.

00:01:35.340 I mean, we can there may be instances where that makes sense.

00:01:38.080 But like, I feel like our job is to try to help everyone hear from the candidates in a

00:01:43.320 way that actually is important and makes a difference.

00:01:45.860 For example, if one of these candidates goes on CNN, we know what they're going to get.

00:01:49.400 We're going to get accusations of how terrible they are and calling them racist.

00:01:53.760 And there's no value to that.

00:01:55.300 There's also, however, no value from some fawning host who just sits here and praises the candidates.

00:02:00.600 So I want to get someone who's, you know, I want to hear from a candidate.

00:02:03.940 Do you remember Tim Russert?

00:02:05.600 Yeah.

00:02:05.880 Oh, yeah.

00:02:06.240 Of course.

00:02:06.420 That's who we need to be.

00:02:08.960 You didn't know if you liked him or didn't like him.

00:02:11.380 You know, the candidate, if he liked him or didn't like him.

00:02:13.600 Yeah.

00:02:14.460 He was just, he was fair and hit both sides equally hard.

00:02:19.360 Said the good things.

00:02:20.680 Yeah.

00:02:20.940 Ask the tough questions.

00:02:21.920 And ask the tough questions.

00:02:22.560 Because it's not even just whether you think the questions are legitimate.

00:02:26.940 It's how are these candidates going to perform under the fire of difficult questioning?

00:02:31.800 They're going to get it during the campaign.

00:02:33.660 So it's better that they get it from an audience that actually wants to hear their answer and

00:02:38.700 not just call them racist.

00:02:39.900 And at the same time, if you can't perform to a conservative audience, you can't get

00:02:45.920 your ideas across in an effective way.

00:02:48.720 And you feel, I mean, how many candidates have we have on that just feel like they're

00:02:52.240 just reading talking points and they're just terrible at this?

00:02:54.900 You better know that early.

00:02:56.440 You better know that before the votes are cast or you get into a general election and

00:02:59.560 you wind up losing to an adult like Joe Biden.

00:03:01.940 Yeah.

00:03:02.100 There's going to be good candidates this time.

00:03:04.140 At the very beginning of the day, there's going to be good candidates.

00:03:06.240 Sure.

00:03:06.700 Nikki Haley, like her, dislike her.

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00:03:11.580 I'm a good governor, sure.

00:03:12.580 Yeah.

00:03:12.840 Good governor.

00:03:13.640 Ron DeSantis, good governor.

00:03:15.580 I think Donald Trump, for all of his faults, good president.

00:03:19.760 I mean, Kamala Harris.

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00:04:34.240 We go to Senator Mike Lee.

00:04:36.000 Hello, Senator.

00:04:36.580 How are you, sir?

00:04:38.040 Doing great.

00:04:38.860 Thank you very much, Glenn.

00:04:39.800 I want to give you a couple of headlines.

00:04:42.740 U.S. intercepts four Russian warplanes yesterday near Alaska.

00:04:48.320 The next headline.

00:04:49.780 U.S. warns it will defend the Philippines after Chinese laser was shot at their Coast Guard.

00:04:59.340 Let's see here.

00:05:01.160 Norway warns of growing importance of Russian nuclear deterrent.

00:05:06.000 China's President Xi conveyed his support yesterday for Iran during a visit from the first visit from the Iranian prime minister.

00:05:19.220 We are not in good shape.

00:05:24.580 Do you and members of the Intelligence Committee have any idea what's going on?

00:05:31.940 Well, we know some things are going on.

00:05:35.880 We know certain things are happening, but there's a whole lot we don't know.

00:05:39.440 And in particular, there's a whole lot we don't know about the so-called objects brought down by fighter jets firing missiles over the weekend.

00:05:49.020 And that was the focus of yesterday's classified briefing.

00:05:52.780 OK, so, Mike, we we hear balloons.

00:05:56.740 We hear that they now the Pentagon came out yesterday after your briefing and said, well, you know what?

00:06:02.820 It's nothing.

00:06:03.440 These are probably just commercial balloons.

00:06:05.380 But we have the Canadians sending out the hazmat teams to look for this.

00:06:12.140 And we hear this morning that they are UAPs, which I guess could be balloons.

00:06:19.560 But usually those are, you know, something solid.

00:06:22.740 These were the size of of cars and they weren't balloons.

00:06:27.600 They were metal.

00:06:28.980 Is that true?

00:06:31.120 Yeah.

00:06:31.700 So, first of all, we don't really know what they are.

00:06:34.560 I don't know how they claim now to know what their nature is, whether they're commercial, military or from some other origin, because they haven't found them.

00:06:47.640 I suspect at this point that they're theorizing on what it might be.

00:06:53.080 That was what was so frustrating yesterday is they held this classified briefing to tell us about what happened.

00:06:58.780 And they showed up and basically said, we don't know what happened.

00:07:02.200 And we had all hoped and expected, based on public statements, that they had covered what was left of these objects and that they were studying them.

00:07:12.420 They haven't found them, at least as of yesterday when they briefed us.

00:07:15.160 They hadn't found them.

00:07:16.240 They don't really know what they are.

00:07:18.040 So, wait, did they show you video?

00:07:19.760 I don't know what you can and can't say.

00:07:21.580 No.

00:07:22.220 Come on.

00:07:22.780 We launched missiles.

00:07:24.100 We know we have the video from the cockpits.

00:07:27.480 We know that.

00:07:28.720 We repeatedly asked them about that.

00:07:30.940 Can you show us anything by way of photographic documentation of it, video footage, anything like that?

00:07:37.060 They said, yeah, we've got some.

00:07:38.160 It really isn't useful because the objects are so small, so far away that the resolution doesn't really do anything for us.

00:07:45.180 Then why would we shoot them down?

00:07:47.500 It's an excellent question.

00:07:49.120 So, we shot them down, not knowing what they were, just based on their altitude.

00:07:57.200 We just knew that they were there.

00:07:58.660 But I still can't fathom why it made sense to scramble fighter jets, shoot missiles at them, bring them down when we have no idea what they are.

00:08:11.480 Okay.

00:08:11.540 So, they're apparently not that concerned about it or else they'd be frantic and they're not that.

00:08:17.500 We found out last night that the United States government had been tracking that Chinese balloon for over a week.

00:08:28.080 Once it was launched from China, we locked onto it and tracked it.

00:08:33.440 Did they tell you that yesterday?

00:08:34.560 There are things in there that I probably shouldn't repeat from what I know.

00:08:39.700 But it's safe to say that we did know before this thing hit the United States that it was in the air.

00:08:47.400 We were aware of it and we knew what was happening.

00:08:52.080 And so, at that moment, they really should have brought the thing down.

00:08:55.620 And at whatever moment they realized that it was coming on in the United States and that it had the ability to collect data, they should have brought it down.

00:09:08.920 We kept hearing last week about the fact that, well, you know, it wouldn't have been safe to bring it down over the United States.

00:09:16.600 Nonsense. 0.98

00:09:17.160 Bullcrap. 0.98

00:09:17.600 Look, even at 60,000 feet, these things don't have a glide capacity. 0.97

00:09:21.760 They're balloons.

00:09:22.380 And so, if you puncture the balloon, it's going to head straight down.

00:09:26.760 Now, yes, there's a debris field, but there is a lot of space between Alaska, off the coast of Alaska, to be clear, and the rest of the United States, where there are miles and miles around, where there are no people.

00:09:43.140 And they should have brought it down.

00:09:44.860 Here's what I think, Glenn.

00:09:45.980 What I suspect is that these were make-up calls.

00:09:48.480 They were compensating this last weekend for what they didn't do the previous week, which was take bold, aggressive action.

00:09:56.200 Only they took the bold, aggressive action, it seems, on the wrong objects at the wrong time.

00:10:02.720 Are we going to know?

00:10:04.840 Do you think we're ever going to know this?

00:10:06.160 I certainly hope so.

00:10:09.620 It seems almost unbelievable to me that we shut down three of these things over the weekend.

00:10:19.460 We didn't recover any of them.

00:10:22.320 And if there was no immediate threat, as there apparently was, an explanation we've heard is that it entered space where aviation happens.

00:10:31.880 Yeah, okay, fine.

00:10:33.400 That's understandable.

00:10:34.460 Sometimes you need to bring things down, but there was no immediate threat.

00:10:37.980 If that being the case, why couldn't they use a different kind of aircraft?

00:10:40.780 Right.

00:10:41.220 One that could observe it up close.

00:10:43.340 Correct.

00:10:44.320 Before shooting it down.

00:10:45.660 You can't really do that with a fighter jet traveling at the speed of sound.

00:10:50.120 You know, I got it.

00:10:51.880 I mean, it's like, it is like our government is being run by, you know, Mrs. Hoffelmeyer's fourth grade class.

00:11:00.680 I mean, and just the boys, because the girls would be a little smarter.

00:11:05.820 The boys, it's just like, let's blow it up out of the sky.

00:11:08.480 This is crazy talk.

00:11:09.760 There is another possibility here that they are using this, whatever it is, that they are using this to get people off of the Nord Stream pipeline story from Seymour Hersh.

00:11:23.320 And I don't know how much you can talk about it or what, what you know, but Mike, I find this extraordinarily concerning because there's only a few countries that could do it.

00:11:39.000 None of them really had the incentive or they would have let us know.

00:11:43.240 If it was another country, would you have gotten a briefing on that?

00:11:48.440 Do you think if they would have told us?

00:11:52.200 It's hard to say.

00:11:54.080 We don't necessarily get those briefings just because they feel like it.

00:11:59.060 Usually it's because a member is asking or because there's been national news about something and they decide they need to brief all members.

00:12:07.280 I'll tell you, I haven't gotten a briefing on this.

00:12:09.180 I'm trying to get one.

00:12:10.100 All of this, of course, goes back to this report published by journalist Seymour Hersh last week, indicating that, according to his story, there were specialized U.S. Navy teams that planted explosives there and that the United States was responsible.

00:12:31.880 I don't know whether this is true.

00:12:33.540 I'm trying to ascertain whether it's true.

00:12:35.300 But I will say this, we need to approach a near-peer nuclear-armed geopolitical adversary with extreme caution.

00:12:45.980 And so I would like to think that if we were going to do something like this, there would be some sort of clear authorization from Congress.

00:12:52.760 You see the chief executive, the president of the United States, commander-in-chief and all, doesn't have the ability to take us to war.

00:12:58.340 I don't think it's a stretch to say that doing this, not just to Russia, a nuclear-armed near-peer geopolitical adversary, but it's also an attack on France and on Germany that affects a lot of Europe.

00:13:12.860 I would like to think they'd get congressional authorization of some sort before doing that.

00:13:16.820 Well, he said that there was a way around that because, obviously, they should have done that if we were involved.

00:13:25.640 I just don't believe that all of the allies, with all of our technology and everything else, we can't figure out, okay, it looks like it's probably these people.

00:13:37.140 I personally, because they're so zipped up about it, it's got to come from the West, and the only ones that can do it, really, are France or us, or Great Britain, and those guys wouldn't do it.

00:13:48.780 But, you know, you look at this, Mike, and even if that's not true, can we find out if anything in that report is true, far as that there is a secret to SEAL teams that can be trained off the books so Congress doesn't know about it?

00:14:09.020 Yeah, look, I think there are a lot of details, or at least enough details, in the Seymour Hersh piece that this should be fairly amenable to being proven or disproven, because either certain things match up or they don't.

00:14:28.780 It may be easier to disprove than to prove, but I think that can get us a lot of the way there.

00:14:35.000 And, yeah, there are others who could have done it.

00:14:36.900 I mean, in theory, it could have been China.

00:14:38.820 Perhaps China wanted to make sure that it had access to more of Russia's natural gas and that it could get it at a lower price.

00:14:47.080 In theory, it could have been China.

00:14:49.180 But, and there are a handful of others who it could have been.

00:14:54.500 But this is worrisome to me, Glenn, for the simple reason.

00:14:58.380 Look, I don't know Seymour Hersh.

00:14:59.760 I'm not familiar with any of the facts alleged in his report, but there are a couple of things that worry me.

00:15:06.900 Number one, on February 9th, 2022, President Biden, during a press conference, said that if Russia attacks Ukraine, there will no longer be a Nord Stream 2.

00:15:21.160 The journalist who had asked him the question about what he meant was doing her job and followed up and said, what do you mean by that?

00:15:28.760 That pipeline's under, you know, not under our control.

00:15:32.640 And he reassured her, believe me, we have the means to do it.

00:15:35.960 And, you know, it'll be done.

00:15:38.320 It will not exist.

00:15:41.480 And so, when you couple that, with the fact that in this country we have for a long time seen overreaches by the executive to the point where a lot of people just accept now that in the name of a clandestine operation,

00:15:56.480 the United States can effectively wage war without an act of Congress authorizing it.

00:16:02.460 That really does concern me.

00:16:04.160 Not that I am certain that we did this.

00:16:07.560 It is.

00:16:07.860 I'm certainly not.

00:16:08.440 It's not that I can verify the Hirsch article, because I can't.

00:16:12.340 But it's that it really troubles me that I can't immediately rule it out.

00:16:16.520 And you can't get a briefing on it.

00:16:19.660 All right.

00:16:20.300 Hang on just a second, Mike, because when we come back, I want to ask you, do we want to know?

00:16:25.540 Stu and I were talking about this this morning, and we were like, you know, the blue pill might be the one to take on this,

00:16:31.700 because this is a impeachable, maybe worse.

00:16:38.360 It is it's an act of war. 0.57

00:16:42.680 It's I don't know anybody that's going to fight against Russia.

00:16:47.160 If they attack us because we we blew up the pipeline, Europe, I mean, the world will hate us.

00:16:54.540 And it means war.

00:16:58.300 So I don't know.

00:17:00.020 Do we want to know?

00:17:01.880 And we'll come back with Mike Lee for that answer in a minute.

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00:18:19.420 Mike Lee, do we want to know?

00:18:23.840 Look, I think the American people do deserve to be in charge of their government.

00:18:28.920 I agree with that.

00:18:29.860 Is very much a mixed bag, because as you alluded to before the break, the answer to this question, if it turns out that the United States was responsible, has very dire consequences.

00:18:44.120 And I'm not even talking yet about what happens within our government, what the consequences there might be.

00:18:52.260 Does this rise to more than an impeachable offense?

00:18:57.980 Quite possibly, yes.

00:19:00.500 I believe it does.

00:19:02.040 Because if you go to such great lengths to engage in an attack, a provocative, offensive attack on a near-peer nuclear-armed geopolitical adversary, and you do so in a manner that violates our Constitution, because that's, as I see it anyway, it seems to me like an act of war.

00:19:26.480 So, last I checked, war can't be just declared, just decided by a president.

00:19:32.760 And sure, I know clandestine operations happen.

00:19:35.820 Discrete military strikes are something different than something provocative on this scale that inevitably lead to, and in fact are, war.

00:19:44.860 So, if we would find out that this is even a real possibility, what happens?

00:19:59.440 What do we do?

00:20:00.240 How do we tell our allies?

00:20:01.920 How do we tell Russia? 0.82

00:20:02.960 So, we can kind of, before we say it, say, I'm going to tell you something, but you've got to promise not to be mad.

00:20:11.020 I mean, we've got to, you know, in that case, we have to promise that you're not going to launch a nuclear strike.

00:20:19.280 How do we tell them this?

00:20:21.340 I don't know.

00:20:24.720 I don't know.

00:20:25.260 That's part of what makes this such a difficult thing.

00:20:28.740 But one thing I do know is that ignorance is never something that's going to put us in a position of strength.

00:20:34.520 No.

00:20:35.000 And I do think it's important that we get answers on this.

00:20:38.620 I would like to know, and whether we end up finding out or not, whether this thing is buried so far, so deep, by the military-intelligence-industrial complex in Washington that we can't get to it.

00:20:53.520 Whether we find out or not, whether we did it or not, I think it's very important for us to have this national conversation.

00:20:59.840 It is.

00:21:00.260 Because for decades, we've seen this gradual accretion of power within the executive branch when it comes to the war powers.

00:21:07.400 And increasingly, Glenn, the way wars are fought these days, you don't typically have soldiers lined up on a battlefield in corresponding parallel columns.

00:21:19.440 No.

00:21:19.980 You've got stuff like this.

00:21:23.000 This is war in the 21st century.

00:21:26.080 And so we need to have a national conversation about the fact that today, as at the time of the founding, we need our Congress, the people's representatives, to make the decision about going to war.

00:21:40.200 And clandestine operations need to be reined in to something truly discreet.

00:21:45.720 This one wasn't.

00:21:47.460 Mike Lee, thank you so much for everything you're doing, and we pray for you, and we'll keep you in our prayers for your safety as you continue to go down this road.

00:21:58.040 Thank you.

00:21:59.360 Hey, thanks, Glenn.

00:22:00.160 Take care.

00:22:00.660 Bye-bye.

00:22:00.940 This is the best of the Glenn Beck Program.

00:22:09.240 Peter Zein, the author of The End of the World is Just the Beginning.

00:22:14.380 Hello, Peter.

00:22:14.940 How are you?

00:22:16.460 You know, I don't think I've ever been introduced as Mr. Rainbows and Sunshine.

00:22:20.200 I kind of love that.

00:22:20.740 Well, you've never been on this show, where we don't tend to have an optimistic look at what's coming our way.

00:22:30.680 But I was listening to you, I think it was on the Rogan show, and I was listening to you, and you actually made me feel better.

00:22:39.100 And I'd just like you to tell us your view of what's coming, the end of globalization, but also the end of China, because you say that's imminent.

00:22:55.640 Well, that's a whole batch of things that pushes together into a small chunk, but let me do my best.

00:23:01.140 There's two things that have dominated and created our world.

00:23:04.620 And step one is, in 1945, the Americans found themselves facing down Stalin in Europe, and were like, oh, we do not want to tangle with this guy alone.

00:23:15.240 We need allies to stand between us and the Soviet forces.

00:23:19.840 But World War II had been the most destructive conflict in human history, and the only allies were countries that had barely survived it.

00:23:27.620 So we needed to provide something to induce them to not cut a separate deal with the Soviets. 0.57

00:23:32.980 And we came up with globalization.

00:23:35.600 Before globalization, everyone was kind of left to their own in terms of development.

00:23:41.600 And if you had iron ore and coal and food and oil, you could industrialize.

00:23:47.660 But if you didn't have all those things, you were probably a colony.

00:23:50.560 Well, with globalization, you now only needed one, and you could trade for the others.

00:23:54.500 And so we all started to develop and industrialize and urbanize together.

00:23:58.120 After 75 years, that has brought us the global system we now know, global finance and global energy and global supply chains and global infrastructure and global agriculture.

00:24:09.380 And so we have a population of 9 billion people, 8 billion people, excuse me, living more wealthy than any other period in human history.

00:24:16.760 Correct.

00:24:17.000 With small countries and big countries all in the milieu together.

00:24:19.660 But as we've made that transition, we've changed the way we live.

00:24:25.800 Pre-industrialization, we all lived on subsistence farms.

00:24:29.460 But as these new industrial jobs became available, we took them and they were all in the cities.

00:24:34.960 Well, in the countryside, kids are free labor.

00:24:38.060 You have as many as you can and then maybe one more because that's how you know you've had too many.

00:24:41.520 You move into town, you live in a condo, and kids are just sources of migraines.

00:24:47.400 So you have one or two, maybe, maybe, maybe three.

00:24:51.840 You play that forward for 75 years.

00:24:55.120 And it's not that we're running out of children globally.

00:24:57.940 That happened 30 years ago.

00:25:00.320 It's that we're now running out of working-aged adults.

00:25:04.020 Also, the Americans created globalization as a security ploy.

00:25:08.540 Cold war ended 30 years ago.

00:25:10.120 We're out of that business.

00:25:12.120 So the security underpinnings that allowed trade to happen are mostly gone.

00:25:16.980 And the consumption that is done by young people is almost gone.

00:25:21.600 And this was always going to be the decade that both of these trends broke at the same time.

00:25:27.020 Now, China specifically is the perfect manifestation of what sort of glory 0.98

00:25:33.060 demographic change and globalized security can bring to a country.

00:25:39.180 Because for the first time in their history, they weren't preyed upon by the outsiders.

00:25:43.520 They were able to consolidate internally.

00:25:45.560 And they were able to use their large population to create economies of scale to take advantage of the global environment.

00:25:52.260 That had never happened to them before.

00:25:53.900 You fast forward that to today, however, and the Americans have lost interest in maintaining the trade.

00:26:00.760 We're turning a little bit more nationalist on the Chinese specifically.

00:26:03.360 And their demographic transition was the fastest in human history.

00:26:08.700 And according to the newest data we have, not only did they overcount their population by about 100 million people,

00:26:16.280 they now have more people in their 60s than their 50s than their 40s than their 30s than their 20s.

00:26:20.700 And so we are looking at abject demographic collapse in the Chinese space this decade.

00:26:28.040 And that assumes that none of the Chinese dependencies on the American Navy to import and export become a problem.

00:26:36.420 So we're really looking at a simultaneous crisis here in China that is demographic, that is political, that is cultural, that is agricultural,

00:26:45.140 that is in trade, that is in finance, all at the same time.

00:26:48.440 And there is no way they walk away from this.

00:26:52.960 So you believe that, I mean, what is all the positioning now with the, you know, the balloons and the tough talk?

00:26:59.760 What's happening there with President Xi?

00:27:02.800 Because on the surface, he looks, you know, rock solid, in control.

00:27:08.940 You know, I think you would say to the average person, you know, who is the next leader of the world?

00:27:14.520 And they'd all say China.

00:27:16.200 But you're saying the opposite.

00:27:17.160 Yeah, absolutely.

00:27:19.240 I mean, we're going to think of China 20 years from now, kind of like we think of the Soviet Union today.

00:27:25.220 You know, it had a good run and then it just imploded.

00:27:28.880 Let's see, what's the best way to put this?

00:27:30.420 Chairman Xi, ruling China is a difficult task.

00:27:34.640 There's a lot of different geographies.

00:27:36.220 It doesn't hold together well.

00:27:37.640 Yes, China, using air quotes here on China, has existed in some form for 3,000 years, but it's only been unified in roughly the shape we recognize today for a total of 300 of those years.

00:27:50.700 Half of that's under the Mongol occupation, and the remainder, most of that is under the American-led globalized system, where we basically said colonization is no longer kosher.

00:28:00.560 Excuse me.

00:28:03.060 I'll get some water here.

00:28:07.640 Anyway, the only way that you can kind of rule the space is to purge the system of competing political and economic influences.

00:28:15.980 Correct.

00:28:16.720 And Xi started that process 10 years ago and more or less completed the purge of the political system five years ago.

00:28:24.580 But then he spent the last five years purging the bureaucracy of any potential power centers that could challenge him.

00:28:32.040 And in doing so, he's gotten rid of everyone in the country that is competent.

00:28:35.920 So now it is just him.

00:28:38.800 And in many ways, he's kind of become what Donald Trump always wanted to be.

00:28:43.300 He's got the adoration from people below the zealot, and he's got the voices in his head, and that's how he rules.

00:28:50.340 And there's absolutely nothing in between.

00:28:52.760 And that means we're seeing policy collapses across the entire system.

00:28:56.840 And the balloon situation is a good example.

00:29:00.060 So under COVID, the Chinese were carrying out this very hateful foreign policy that they kind of called Wolf Warrior, 1.00

00:29:08.020 which is basically China is right, you're wrong, you're stupid, you're going to die, 1.00

00:29:12.540 and China's going to take over everything. 1.00

00:29:14.560 So when you hear people saying that they think China's going to dominate, that's Wolf Warrior diplomacy kind of working behind the scenes.

00:29:20.600 There's not a lot behind it, but it riles people up.

00:29:25.060 Well, it led to some of the greatest foreign policy disasters in China's history.

00:29:31.280 So the Biden administration has killed the Chinese semiconductor sector.

00:29:36.220 They are dependent upon the Russians for energy, but the Russian energy cannot be produced over the long term by the Russians.

00:29:42.840 So they know there's an energy crisis in their future.

00:29:46.160 They're experiencing an outbreak of something called African swine fever, which is endangering their food supplies.

00:29:52.340 Their financial system is basically a really, really badly run Enron or subprime at scale.

00:29:57.280 And so they see all of these pressures, and Xi knows that the gig is almost up.

00:30:04.340 And so starting about two to three months ago, he started forcing the bureaucracy,

00:30:11.180 because he has to have one-on-one conversations anymore.

00:30:13.080 He can't just say stuff and make it happen, because all the competent people are gone.

00:30:16.500 He started tilting things towards a more productive or at least less hostile direction.

00:30:21.000 And as a result, Secretary Blinken was about to go to China.

00:30:26.680 Well, when you don't have a functional bureaucracy, when you don't have functional communication within your own government,

00:30:33.800 all it takes is one dude who thinks he's doing the great leader's will to throw things off.

00:30:40.380 And we now know from our communications with the Chinese that Xi didn't know about the balloon.

00:30:47.260 And the foreign ministry didn't know about the balloon.

00:30:49.740 And it looks like hardly anyone in the military knew about the balloon. 0.93

00:30:53.840 That means it was just some dumbass in the intelligence services who thought that this is what was necessary. 0.72

00:30:59.100 And so it slapped it together and sent it off. 0.96

00:31:01.860 And it led to a complete diplomatic meltdown with the United States.

00:31:06.540 And even if you're of the belief that Biden is ultimately looking for a way to live with the Chinese,

00:31:14.340 events like this, at a minimum, are going to push back the date where we can even think about that for three to six months.

00:31:21.460 And to be perfectly blunt, China doesn't have a lot of time.

00:31:24.480 All right, which leads me to another question.

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00:32:38.920 Okay, so you say that China doesn't have an awful lot of time, doesn't have six months to wait.

00:32:59.140 If your theory is correct, what stops them from being even more dangerous right now?

00:33:05.300 Well, one of the things to keep in mind, well, I think it's great to compare what's going on in the Russian space to what's going on in the Chinese space.

00:33:13.500 So from the Russian point of view, their population is dying out as well for a mix of reasons, some of which overlap.

00:33:19.660 And they feel that if they don't militarily act to get what they see as a more defensible perimeter now,

00:33:26.680 that they will not have the military capacity to try it five, ten years down the line, and they're right. 0.63

00:33:32.260 So there is a scenario where if Russia wins this war and a couple wars beyond it,

00:33:37.900 they actually are in a better position strategically.

00:33:41.380 China doesn't have anything like that.

00:33:43.740 There is no country or series of countries within reach that they could conquer.

00:33:48.540 There is no war they could launch that would help.

00:33:50.460 This is a country that, unlike Russia, is based on the import of raw materials and the export of finished goods.

00:33:56.720 This is a country that imports almost all of the technology it needs and many of the intermediate parts.

00:34:01.920 Really, it's best to think of China not as a manufacturing center, but as an assembly center.

00:34:07.100 And I don't say that to denigrate them.

00:34:09.120 It's just it's a different sort of economic model.

00:34:11.560 And that means you have to have different support structures internationally in order to make it work.

00:34:15.420 And for China, it's all about the movement and its movement they can't control. 0.90

00:34:20.960 The U.S. Navy may only have half as many ships as the Chinese, but our fleet is fully blue water.

00:34:26.800 Only 10 percent of the Chinese fleet in combat operations could sail more than 400 miles from the coast.

00:34:33.620 That's not enough to support a global mercantile empire.

00:34:38.520 We do that for them as part of globalization.

00:34:41.060 So even if they were to capture Taiwan without firing a shot, it really wouldn't solve anything because they import 75 percent of their energy and 80 percent of the materials that allow them to grow their own food.

00:34:55.680 So in any war scenario, you put a couple of destroyers in the Indian Ocean Basin, doesn't matter who you are, and you've destroyed the Chinese system. 0.91

00:35:05.100 And it'll die within six to 12 months and you'll trigger a famine that will ultimately kill hundreds of millions of people.

00:35:10.960 That would be the end.

00:35:12.500 And the Chinese know that.

00:35:15.080 Now, that doesn't mean it's risk free.

00:35:17.940 That doesn't mean I'm belittling what you're suggesting here.

00:35:20.720 There is a chance that it could happen, even though I don't think it's a very high one.

00:35:23.920 If the Chinese admit to themselves that they're facing demographic, economic, agriculture, and trade crisis all at once that will tear their system down, and I think they do realize that, then there's something to be said for picking the time and the place of a war, even if you know you're going to lose, because it lets you write the narrative, even if it's one of national failure. 0.72

00:35:49.220 And if you're facing a deindustrialization collapse, that might, might allow the CCP to persist as a political ruler of the system into whatever's next.

00:36:03.380 And so if you can guarantee your personal power for the low, low cost of 300 to 500 million dead Chinese from famine, that might be worth the cost. 0.54

00:36:14.520 So make no mistake, this is not a war of expansion.

00:36:16.840 So I kind of feel like what everything you're saying about, you know, China could be said about us as well.

00:36:24.320 I feel, you know, you talk about the de-globalization, but that is the opposite of where, you know, build back better and all of that stuff is going.

00:36:34.780 There are these globalists that are still trying to cobble into an even bigger system, you know, of the West against the East that I don't, I mean, they're not going down to the little local communities and saying, hey, let's all make sure that we're solid as local communities.

00:36:54.880 I'm really not worried about the United States.

00:36:58.440 So number one, we have the best demography in the advanced world and a better demography than most of the developing world.

00:37:05.320 At current rates of aging, we will be younger on average than the Mexicans, the Indians, the Indonesians, and the Brazilians at some point in the early 2050s.

00:37:14.920 We became younger on average than the Chinese over a decade ago.

00:37:20.020 In addition, the United States created global trade.

00:37:23.080 And one of the conditions in order to induce countries to join our security network was that we wouldn't take advantage of that.

00:37:31.360 So as a percent of GDP, we are the least involved with the major economies in the world.

00:37:35.980 And most of our economic integration is with Mexico and Canada.

00:37:40.120 That's like almost half of our total.

00:37:42.580 So if you factor that out, as a percent of GDP, our total exposure to the entire world is less than 10% of GDP.

00:37:49.600 And a big chunk of that has to do with the shale revolution and energy exports.

00:37:53.500 Take that out.

00:37:54.160 You slim it down even more.

00:37:56.140 Our weakness in also we're the world's largest producer of oil and the world's largest producer and exporter of foodstuffs.

00:38:02.880 Our biggest weakness is an electronics manufacturer. 0.99

00:38:06.040 And if China were to disappear tomorrow, yeah, that's going to be a pain in the ass. 0.99

00:38:09.620 We're going to have to rebuild that from scratch. 0.98

00:38:11.740 We're going to have to double the size of the industrial plant over the course of the next five years.

00:38:16.180 And if you think we have an inflation problem now, just wait till we lose access to Chinese goods and we have to build out our own system. 0.77

00:38:23.760 But that will generate the fastest economic growth in the history of our country.

00:38:31.160 And when it is done, we will have more reliable partners closer to home with shorter supply chains that use less energy and use workers that are local and sell to consumers that are local.

00:38:43.080 This is a good story.

00:38:45.300 Okay, so all we have to do is build up ourselves to make it happen.

00:38:50.080 All right.

00:38:50.200 I've only got a couple of a couple of minutes left, and I just want to make sure that I push back a bit.

00:38:55.280 There are several critics of yours that say, you know, you've been saying this since 2005, that they were going to collapse, et cetera, et cetera.

00:39:02.660 How would you answer that?

00:39:04.800 The hardest part of geopolitics, especially demography, is timing.

00:39:08.000 One of the problems with demography is this has never happened before.

00:39:15.200 We've never had global aging.

00:39:17.020 What I've described for China is an extreme case, but it's happening everywhere.

00:39:21.120 So N equals zero historically for points of comparison.

00:39:24.780 The reason why this is the decade that I think it's really going to go down is this is the decade where not just China, but a lot of other countries literally age into mass retirement.

00:39:34.200 And there are no longer enough people under 30 to even theoretically repopulate.

00:39:38.560 This is pretty much what happened to Japan, right? 0.98

00:39:40.940 I mean, in the 80s, everybody thought Japan was going to take over the world.

00:39:43.600 And then all of a sudden, just Japan just fell off the map.

00:39:47.780 Absolutely.

00:39:48.440 Part of that was a debt issue, which the Chinese had actually a bigger debt issue.

00:39:52.480 Part of it is demographic.

00:39:53.800 But the two big differences between the Japanese and the Chinese, Japan saw this coming 30 years ago and took steps to boost their birth rate and relocate industrial plant to better locations like the United States.

00:40:07.380 They're as prepared as they can be.

00:40:09.280 China's done none of that.

00:40:10.980 Peter, thank you so much for being on with us.

00:40:12.940 It's Peter Zein.

00:40:15.300 His book is The End of the World is Just the Beginning.

00:40:19.800 This is the best of the Glenn Beck Program.

00:40:25.820 We welcome to the program co-author Steve Dace, co-author of the book The Rise of the Fourth Reich.

00:40:37.360 Now, I want to get the whole name right.

00:40:39.500 The Rise of the Fourth Reich, confronting COVID fascism with a new Nuremberg trial. 0.64

00:40:45.280 So this never happens again.

00:40:46.840 And in the press release, it does say, and I love this.

00:40:50.020 I love Steve.

00:40:51.220 I love this.

00:40:51.920 It says the title of the book.

00:40:54.200 And it says, this book does not pull any punches.

00:40:57.760 So you're not really.

00:41:00.620 The title says Nuremberg trials.

00:41:04.260 But you're you're not going to hold back.

00:41:06.960 You're not holding back.

00:41:07.780 I find that surprising.

00:41:09.780 So, so, Steve, you, you and Daniel Horowitz did an awful lot of work on this and laid out the case in a mock Nuremberg kind of trial.

00:41:23.760 Can you first just tell people what the Nuremberg laws are?

00:41:29.900 Sure.

00:41:30.560 There was really two sets of Nuremberg trials after World War II, Glenn.

00:41:35.020 And the more famous one, of course, is dealing with Nazi officials on the political and military end and their atrocities.

00:41:41.620 But there were a separate set of trials that were held for what was categorized as kind of the biomedical fascist state that essentially the entire health care sector was given over to the state as a means of procuring experiments and carrying them out on the people.

00:41:57.920 And out of those trials came what's known as the Nuremberg code.

00:42:01.720 And it's not really lengthy.

00:42:03.520 It's a pretty short read.

00:42:04.660 You know, Google it any time that you want.

00:42:06.260 And what you'll get to find, you'll read it in about 10 or 15 minutes, what you'll find is that basically every consonant, vowel, and syllable of the Nuremberg code, which was designed to prevent something like what happened in Germany in the 30s and 40s from ever happening again, it stood up for about 75 years.

00:42:23.940 And then every syllable, consonant, and vowel of that code, Glenn, was thrown out the window and trashed from March 16th of 2020 when the lockdowns began.

00:42:32.920 And really, even up until now, you know, we have incredible data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics about a gigantic rise in disability claims beginning in 2021, starting in the fourth quarter.

00:42:46.000 You see that this stat is pretty stable going back to 2008, and then all of a sudden, the fourth quarter, it goes off the chain.

00:42:52.140 Gee, what happened at the fourth quarter of 2021?

00:42:55.240 I mean, it couldn't possibly be a jab mandate to force you to take a jab in order to work.

00:42:59.680 And then a bunch of disabilities kicked in after that.

00:43:02.200 It couldn't possibly be that.

00:43:03.880 We have so much incredible data.

00:43:05.680 There was a Michigan State study that came out that found just through 2021, it estimated well over 200,000 COVID deaths in the country from the jab.

00:43:18.000 COVID deaths in America from the jab.

00:43:20.340 If you prorate that worldwide, it's something like 7.5 million deaths worldwide.

00:43:25.960 And so whether it is the jabs, whether it's the virus themselves with the gain-of-function research, many of the same elements that pushed this toxic jab on people are the same ones that were involved in committing or creating this chimeric concoction in Wuhan. 0.93

00:43:41.120 And so they're kind of guilty and culpable on both ends of this spectrum.

00:43:44.660 And then the lockdowns and the masks and everything else, we get into all of this in the book.

00:43:50.340 And I think where this book really, you know, with me and Daniel, you're going to get a lot of data.

00:43:54.240 You're going to get a lot of policy specifics.

00:43:56.560 But where this book, I think, goes next level, Glenn, is the meat of it in the middle.

00:44:01.060 The personal testimonies, whistleblowers from the Department of Defense, from the health care sector, victims, people whose children were, you know, maimed, injured by the jab and can't get any relief.

00:44:12.240 People whose loved ones died in the hospital because they wouldn't give them effective treatments.

00:44:16.600 They were essentially medically kidnapped.

00:44:18.600 Those testimonies in the middle, if you think this title is too provocative, and believe me, we did not utilize it lightly, okay?

00:44:26.340 But if you think the Nuremberg trials, you didn't take Nuremberg trials lightly, huh?

00:44:31.000 Okay.

00:44:31.560 No.

00:44:33.000 Of course not.

00:44:34.940 You know me, master of subtlety, right?

00:44:36.820 Yeah, right.

00:44:37.280 If you read and listen to these people and their suffering and the suffering that they witnessed inflicted on others, you read these testimonies, you will see that we not only didn't oversell what has happened here, if anything, we've undersold it.

00:44:52.840 Okay, so help me out because the Nuremberg rules are very, very clear, as you said.

00:45:00.080 And Washington Post has come out and said, this is not a violation of the Nuremberg Code, because these studies were done before they were released on the public.

00:45:13.220 How do you answer that?

00:45:15.360 You lost me at Washington Post.

00:45:17.520 Yeah, I know.

00:45:18.220 I know.

00:45:18.780 I know.

00:45:19.520 I know.

00:45:19.860 But one of the, really at the heart of the Nuremberg Code is the idea of informed consent, the idea of transparency, the idea that you don't force people into a medical experiment.

00:45:33.200 We did that.

00:45:33.900 I'll give you, I'll prove it to you right here.

00:45:35.920 On August 6th of 2021, now admittedly, Glenn, this occurred on CNN, which means a lot of people didn't see it, okay?

00:45:43.120 So this is going to be news to people, all right?

00:45:45.620 Even less are seeing it now.

00:45:46.860 On August 6th of 2021, Rochelle Walensky went on with Wolf Blitz and admitted that with the advent of the Delta variant, the vaccines no longer stymie the transmission of the virus.

00:46:01.880 They're no longer a traditional inoculation definition of a vaccine.

00:46:06.000 She went on to say that even the vaccinated now could get COVID and then spread the virus.

00:46:11.200 She said this on August 6th.

00:46:12.720 So right away, whatever medical, before we get to the constitutional question, whatever medical necessity emergency that would have you contemplate the ethics of imposing this experimental substance on billions of people across the globe is already out the window.

00:46:28.740 It won't even stop the spread of what we claim to be afraid of.

00:46:32.000 She admitted this almost one month later to the very day she admitted that is when Joe Biden issued his anti-constitutional detestable executive order on the COVID jab, which he said for the entire year he had no power to do.

00:46:47.100 And then out of nowhere, almost exactly one month later, after his CDC admitted the jab doesn't work, that's when he actually said you can't go to work unless you take the jab.

00:46:58.060 That is a clear violation of the Nuremberg Code and proves once again, which isn't hard to do, that the Washington Post doesn't know what the Sam Hill they're talking about or they're just lying.

00:47:08.560 So tell me, do you draw any conclusions on what the motivation would be?

00:47:16.620 I think there's lots of motivations.

00:47:18.640 And I think when you get into, and we ask this question in this book a lot, what's the benign, innocent explanation for these things?

00:47:24.560 We ask this question a lot.

00:47:26.060 We ask questions like, how come they never turn back?

00:47:29.460 Because some people are going to say, hey, this thing is an emergency.

00:47:31.960 It got thrust on us.

00:47:32.920 We got blindsided by it.

00:47:34.080 Fine.

00:47:34.900 How come they never voluntarily said, oh, we went too far with that?

00:47:38.040 How come they're still in court trying to fight to put masks on people on planes?

00:47:42.020 Okay.

00:47:42.380 They never voluntarily pulled back.

00:47:44.680 Every time they pulled back, Glenn, it's because the people either resisted to the point it wasn't enforceable or the courts made them do it.

00:47:51.660 Okay.

00:47:52.080 They never said, oh, you know what, guys, we got that one wrong.

00:47:55.380 All right.

00:47:55.720 We had to sue to get Pfizer's documentation.

00:47:58.140 They wanted those hidden for over for about 75 years.

00:48:00.920 They never showed any empathy, any transparency or any humility at all unless it was forced on them,

00:48:07.500 which shows you there aren't any benign and innocent explanations.

00:48:10.480 And the best we could come up with, and it won't necessarily give you the warm fuzzy, is that this is just good old-fashioned greed, mind-numbing greed.

00:48:19.900 If that's the best we're hoping for, then all the other ones are a little bit further down the rabbit hole, my friend.

00:48:25.360 So do you have, we're talking to Steve Dace, he's Blaze TV show host of the Steve Dace show, follows this program every day on Blaze TV.

00:48:33.640 He's also the co-writer, the co-author of The Rise of the Fourth Reich.

00:48:39.520 Steve, when you're looking at all of this evidence, is there any real, tangible hope that anybody's going to be held responsible?

00:48:52.400 I think the biggest difficulty with this is really not in the political system.

00:48:59.900 It's with the people.

00:49:01.200 And, you know, we did the jab special.

00:49:03.560 I hosted it with Jason Whitlock here earlier this month here on Blaze TV.

00:49:07.340 And Senator Ron Johnson of Wisconsin, who has just been Joan of Arc level of hero on this.

00:49:12.220 And I asked him, you know, what's the critical mass?

00:49:15.140 And he said, well, you had to first Nuremberg because Ike threw open the camps and forced the world to see what went on there.

00:49:20.320 And he brought it to a critical mass.

00:49:22.760 And Ron said, you know, when you have less than 15 percent of American adults didn't take any of this gene juice, a lot of people are like, man, I don't want to believe I am a ticking time bomb.

00:49:32.200 I don't want to believe I'm the next collapse suddenly.

00:49:34.220 I don't want to believe I'm the next died suddenly.

00:49:36.440 I mean, we have one of our colleagues here at Blaze TV on his show saying he thinks he's vaccine injured.

00:49:41.000 OK, I don't want to be the next one who finds out a year later, six months later, that it's me.

00:49:45.340 And so let me just move on.

00:49:46.480 Let's pretend like this never happened and get on with real life.

00:49:49.100 I think that, Glenn, there's so many people that were betrayed into buying into this that I think it's the masses of the people that really don't want to come to grips yet with the full scope of what happened here.

00:50:01.340 Well, the book went on sale yesterday.

00:50:03.860 Grab your copy now.

00:50:05.660 This is one of those things that I would also urge you to get a paper copy of.

00:50:10.740 Things can be deleted online, but I would have a paper copy of this.

00:50:14.940 Order it wherever you get your books.

00:50:16.240 The Rise of the Fourth Reich by Steve Dace and and also Daniel Horowitz.

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The Glenn Beck Program - February 15, 2023

Best of the Program ｜ Guests： Sen. Mike Lee & Steve Deace ｜ 2⧸15⧸23

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