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00:00:30.000 Are we on the wrong side of deportations?

00:00:34.140 Representative Jayapal from Seattle.

00:00:37.240 Normally, I don't agree with her, but she makes a case that's very appealing to keep our undocumented workers. 1.00

00:00:44.220 Also, Vivek Ramaswamy, he's now running for governor of Ohio.

00:00:48.620 We talked to him about that and the future.

00:00:52.340 What does the future look like with AI and how do states prepare?

00:00:56.320 And Senator Mike Lee on Gold and the Rains Act, all on today's podcast.

00:01:01.500 You know, one of those things that stands out the most to me about American financing, more than just about any other company that I talk about on this program, is they had to prove themselves to me because this is a mortgage company.

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00:01:39.780 And I talked to them after, and their people were fine because they don't work for the banks.

00:01:44.360 They work for you.

00:01:46.080 They had an uphill climb proving themselves if I was going to endorse them to you.

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00:02:23.280 You know, I heard something yesterday that I wanted to share with you because I thought, you know,

00:02:29.100 I'm from Seattle.

00:02:32.400 Representative Jayapal is from Seattle. 0.98

00:02:35.980 She can't be totally bat crap crazy, right? 0.96

00:02:39.620 Maybe, maybe I just haven't thought of things in the correct fashion. 0.86

00:02:46.300 So here's what she said yesterday.

00:02:48.160 We can't let them deport the millions of families across this country who have been doing the work that keeps our economy going every day.

00:02:57.200 We can't let them scapegoat and criminalize immigrants who contribute, who are our neighbors, our friends, our churchgoers.

00:03:05.680 If you look at the food that's on your table, think about who picked it.

00:03:09.840 If you look at your homes, think about who built them.

00:03:12.560 Oh, my God.

00:03:13.340 If you look at your vulnerable elders and your kids, think about who's taking care of them.

00:03:17.440 Who's caring for them?

00:03:18.960 Who, boy, you know, I heard that case, and that just struck right to my heart.

00:03:24.360 You know, I thought to myself, my gosh, maybe we're wrong.

00:03:27.180 She could be correct.

00:03:28.220 Let's look at her side of the argument.

00:03:31.600 I mean, just for a minute.

00:03:32.540 I don't expect you to change, but I want you to listen with compassion.

00:03:36.480 You sons of, you people who just don't, who just hate people of other colors for no apparent reason.

00:03:44.000 That's the only reason why you want these illegals, as you might call them, out. 1.00

00:03:48.680 Have some compassion, man.

00:03:50.420 So, let me just, I want you to, unless you're driving, close your eyes for just a minute,

00:03:54.980 and I want you to imagine a twilight world, shadowed and stilled, where the hum of life is faded to a whisper.

00:04:03.840 Picture the sprawling farmland, its fields once ablaze with golden wheat and beautiful verdant rows of produce.

00:04:15.140 It's just, it's a painting.

00:04:18.480 Except now it's desolate.

00:04:21.220 Stocks are brittle, fruit rotting where it falls on the ground.

00:04:26.400 Zoom closer in.

00:04:28.540 A construction site.

00:04:30.540 Skeletal beams rising like bones of some forgotten beast, abandoned mid-creation.

00:04:39.060 A restaurant.

00:04:40.960 There, on Main Street, in your own hometown, its windows dark, its tables bare.

00:04:46.300 Remember, the aroma-simmering spices replaced now just by the dust of neglect.

00:04:53.000 Oh, you might say, I'm finding that hard to imagine.

00:04:59.980 But it is the precipice which we teeter upon when we contemplate casting out the undocumented souls who breathe life into our nation's veins. 1.00

00:05:12.100 Let's really look at her case.

00:05:16.980 These workers, vilified, yet so rarely beheld, are the unseen architects of our own prosperity.

00:05:25.840 Yes?

00:05:27.560 Consider the ledger here of reality.

00:05:30.760 Over 70% of those who tend our fields are foreign-born.

00:05:35.580 And of that number, nearly half lack the papers we demand.

00:05:39.420 They're not peripheral.

00:05:42.280 They're foundational.

00:05:44.640 In 2023, their labor fueled an economy that extracted $128 billion in taxes from their sweat.

00:05:53.460 And these are funds that they will never recover from Social Security or Medicare.

00:06:00.000 Their unemployment rate stands at 3.2%, outpacing the native-born, right? 0.98

00:06:08.580 You might say, well, that's not really good.

00:06:11.300 That means jobs aren't.

00:06:12.440 No!

00:06:13.720 They're just willing to work.

00:06:16.160 These are not the idle.

00:06:17.140 They are the relentless, filling the chasms in our agriculture and construction and hospitality.

00:06:26.600 Can you imagine going to one of your rich banquets held in some banquet hall,

00:06:32.680 the belly of some corporate monstrosity hotel chain? 0.95

00:06:38.080 Where are you going to get the servers to feed you, you corporate fat cat?

00:06:44.240 American sectors would buckle without them.

00:06:47.140 The American Farm Bureau calculates that expelling the undocumented labor would slash agricultural output by 60%.

00:06:57.820 Your breakfast, orange juice, price triples.

00:07:01.960 The milk in your coffee doubles overnight.

00:07:05.980 Construction costs soar as half the workforce, 1.5 million strong, just vanishes.

00:07:12.600 Stalling homes and highways all throughout the country.

00:07:19.460 Hospitality, already fragile.

00:07:21.760 Loses 1.2 million workers.

00:07:23.680 Go ahead, see if you can find somebody that will wash the dishes.

00:07:27.100 Restaurants, clothes, hotels, just mothball rooms.

00:07:30.780 Cato Institute pegs the GDP loss at $1.6 trillion over a decade if we purge these contributors that you call illegals. 0.95

00:07:51.140 Who bears that burden, hmm?

00:07:54.180 I'll tell you who you do at the checkout.

00:07:58.000 In your rent with your tax bill.

00:08:01.080 These are not the faceless cogs, but they're human beings propelled by the same hunger for betterment that drove pilgrims across the oceans, they'll tell you.

00:08:13.760 They rise before the sun, hands blistered, knees bent, harvesting what we consume without even a second thought.

00:08:21.520 Yes, California growers have said that they've posted ads for years and locals just don't apply.

00:08:27.400 These jobs are theirs because no one else will do these jobs.

00:08:31.240 And the data concurs in states like Texas and Florida.

00:08:34.840 Native-born workers shun the fields, leaving 80% of crop labor to the immigrants, documented or undocumented. 1.00

00:08:43.480 They don't displace.

00:08:45.600 They sustain.

00:08:46.980 Quote, without this labor, our way of life will crumble.

00:08:55.540 Quote, this is a necessary good.

00:09:00.580 Look where they came from.

00:09:02.720 They're better off in our fields and in the shadows than where they were when they came here.

00:09:09.320 Look at where they came from.

00:09:13.300 Gee, is there an echo in here?

00:09:14.640 Maybe it's just the ghost of arguments past that I hear.

00:09:20.580 I'm not sure, but it seemed without this labor, we will starve.

00:09:24.500 Our way of life will collapse.

00:09:26.500 This is a necessary good.

00:09:28.320 It's necessary for us and good for them.

00:09:31.100 Look at where they came from.

00:09:32.440 They're better off in our fields than where they came from. 1.00

00:09:35.940 The prosperity of the superior depends on the toil of the inferior.

00:09:40.820 Uh-oh, wait a minute.

00:09:41.480 I have heard these phrases before.

00:09:47.340 It seems as though they've just been rinsed out and repurposed.

00:09:52.300 Without this labor, our way of life crumbles.

00:09:56.440 Hmm.

00:09:58.080 That's a mirror, gang.

00:09:59.500 The words aren't new.

00:10:03.060 They're borrowed from a time when men in frock coats deemed human bondage a necessary good.

00:10:10.360 Because if we don't have these slaves in the field, our very way of life will crumble. 1.00

00:10:16.140 You won't be able to afford any products.

00:10:19.360 It's a pillar of economic order.

00:10:22.100 James Henry Hammond, 1858.

00:10:26.240 In all social systems, there must be a class to perform the drudgery, freeing the refined for higher purposes. 0.98

00:10:33.480 Wow.

00:10:34.160 That almost sounds like Harari, doesn't it?

00:10:36.580 From the World Economic Forum. 0.99

00:10:38.080 There will be a permanent underclass of useless people. 0.97

00:10:41.960 We'll just need to keep busy doing stuff. 0.97

00:10:44.800 Oh my gosh.

00:10:46.020 The compassion.

00:10:47.180 You're right.

00:10:47.780 He's speaking right from the heart.

00:10:49.600 John Calhoun, 1837.

00:10:53.460 It's a positive good.

00:10:55.540 It's good for them and it's good for us.

00:10:58.840 It's an institution that if we don't have it, civilization falters, end quote.

00:11:06.480 Then it was cotton and tobacco.

00:11:08.320 Now it's lettuce and drywall. 0.98

00:11:10.120 But it's the same damn thing. 0.87

00:11:13.780 Then it was chains. 0.99

00:11:15.040 Now it's fear.

00:11:16.900 The fear of ice raids.

00:11:18.680 Fractured families.

00:11:19.600 A life uprooted.

00:11:21.660 It's still fear, isn't it?

00:11:24.560 Both rest on the same calculus.

00:11:28.280 Look, they're going to have to do this because it's good for the rest of us.

00:11:32.920 All we've done is we've polished the rhetoric.

00:11:35.640 We've swapped shackles for shadows.

00:11:37.960 But it's exactly the same.

00:11:39.900 Other than that, an underclass.

00:11:42.280 Indispensable.

00:11:43.820 Yet discarded.

00:11:44.880 But it's vital.

00:11:45.880 But it's vital.

00:11:49.060 Although we can't really give them dignity.

00:11:51.260 I mean, they've got to live in the shadows here. 1.00

00:11:52.860 Is the left this stupid? 1.00

00:11:57.040 Do they really think we don't see the parallels here? 1.00

00:12:01.360 Are they so naive to think that a costume change can absolve us?

00:12:05.740 Why is it so many people just swallow this?

00:12:11.620 Why do we let our politicians, and I mean this literally, the heirs to the same voices of the 19th century that were defending slavery,

00:12:24.200 those heirs, why do we listen to them?

00:12:27.880 This isn't mercy.

00:12:30.760 It's cowardice.

00:12:32.760 Masked as practicality.

00:12:36.000 Masked again as compassion.

00:12:38.920 There's no compassion in the shadows.

00:12:43.640 The left joins the chorus. 1.00

00:12:45.520 This is exploitation, all just dressed in progressive crap. 0.99

00:12:53.080 As if calling it essential washes the stain clean. 0.99

00:12:56.640 But it doesn't.

00:12:57.900 It's a lie that so many Americans are telling themselves to keep the tomatoes cheap and the guilted bay.

00:13:04.500 So we can walk around with our cell phones from Apple and pretend we're better than everybody else because we're against slavery. 0.99

00:13:12.140 But we buy our crap from China. 0.98

00:13:13.960 We'll allow people to live in the shadows. 0.99

00:13:20.240 We can't get them to go back home and come through the front door.

00:13:24.120 What kind of compassion is that?

00:13:25.660 It's so much better for them to live in a state of fear their whole life here in America.

00:13:31.660 You know, there is another option.

00:13:33.280 We could innovate.

00:13:34.500 We could mechanize the fields.

00:13:36.400 That's coming.

00:13:37.680 That's coming.

00:13:38.740 We could train the idol. 1.00

00:13:40.620 We could actually say to our kids, get your fat, lazy ass off the couch away from the gaming system and go out and work. 1.00

00:13:50.680 We could also pay wages that tempt the unwilling. 1.00

00:13:55.140 Instead, we'll let these corporations, these corporate farms. 0.99

00:14:03.020 Undercut a reasonable living wage and just keep people pushed in the shadows so you could have a ripe tomato.

00:14:12.000 You know, everybody always says, oh, the right side of history.

00:14:17.320 I would have been on the right side of history.

00:14:18.900 Would you?

00:14:19.480 Would you have been?

00:14:20.320 Really?

00:14:21.280 1860.

00:14:22.060 You're walking around going, I don't know.

00:14:23.960 I mean, this cotton, this shirt, it's fantastic.

00:14:26.720 It breathes.

00:14:27.820 I mean, how are we going to get all that cotton picked in the field if we don't have slaves? 1.00

00:14:31.640 You know, this is necessary.

00:14:33.240 Our whole society collapses without the slave.

00:14:37.660 You really would have been on the other side back then, and yet somehow or another you're not on that side now?

00:14:46.200 My guess is you would have been sitting someplace in maybe in Charleston in a parlor sipping tea.

00:14:53.060 Why?

00:14:53.300 I just don't understand why all these people don't understand why we need to have these slaves.

00:14:59.380 I mean, they're really not good for much else.

00:15:05.880 They're not really like us.

00:15:09.600 I mean, they can make my tea and wash my dishes and pick the cotton in the fields and grow our food. 0.99

00:15:15.980 I'm going to have my son do that?

00:15:18.460 I don't think so.

00:15:20.080 I think you would have been sitting in the parlor out front having a nice cool iced tea.

00:15:29.380 This is a house built on sand.

00:15:37.060 Its contradictions are almost hysterical if it didn't involve, I don't know, real people.

00:15:43.200 But just remember this.

00:15:44.420 History doesn't forgive repetition.

00:15:46.620 It condemns it.

00:15:49.020 We've read this script before.

00:15:50.820 Its ending is pretty ugly, but it's not inevitable.

00:15:54.660 We can rewrite it.

00:15:55.560 We can make it easier for the hard worker to come here legally.

00:15:59.260 We can invest in machines to lighten the load.

00:16:02.200 We can demand a system where no one's humanity is a bargaining chip for lower prices.

00:16:07.980 That's not charity.

00:16:09.400 That's justice.

00:16:11.300 But equal justice, not social justice.

00:16:15.840 You know, everything in the fields, it doesn't grow in shadow.

00:16:22.000 It only grows in sunlight.

00:16:25.920 You want to end corruption?

00:16:28.480 Here's a place we could start.

00:16:32.060 Because I can't believe how loud the echo of history is getting.

00:16:36.300 I'm just, you know, I say this all the time.

00:16:39.520 It's going to be interesting to see how all this works out.

00:16:42.160 I'm just waiting to see if this time we'll silence that echo of history and we'll go,

00:16:47.660 maybe we should do it another way here, George.

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00:18:18.120 Well, hello to our good friend, Senator Mike Lee.

00:18:21.680 Mike, how are you, sir?

00:18:23.420 Doing great.

00:18:24.140 It's good to be with you as always.

00:18:25.120 Yeah.

00:18:26.340 So let's start with the gold thing, first of all.

00:18:29.980 Are you going to put a call in to the Treasury and just say,

00:18:34.400 hey, I'm glad that you now say it's so easy for a senator to go in and look at the gold?

00:18:38.900 I'd like to do that now.

00:18:41.240 Oh, heck yeah.

00:18:42.780 And look, it's been a few years since I've made that request,

00:18:45.940 but we've got a new sheriff in town, our new energy secretary,

00:18:48.680 our new president are open to this.

00:18:50.900 In the past, they've told me to pound sand.

00:18:52.840 It wasn't just today's and a good day.

00:18:54.960 They told me I could not go.

00:18:56.400 Not then, not ever.

00:18:58.060 And that's BS.

00:18:59.120 And, you know, perhaps I do need to bring along an assistant or a mouse, as you put it, named Glenn.

00:19:06.640 Yeah.

00:19:07.000 Well, that would be great, Mike.

00:19:08.120 I'd love to do that with you.

00:19:09.080 But I just really want somebody that I trust to actually look at the gold and be able to look at all of it.

00:19:16.880 Not just, I mean, back tonight, I'm going to show people, it is amazing.

00:19:21.640 There are all these cages or all these rooms with gold.

00:19:25.040 In the 1950s, I think they only opened three of them.

00:19:28.420 We don't even know how many there are, but I think it's over 20 for sure.

00:19:31.540 Just in Fort Knox, they only opened three of them, and then they counted up and across, did the math, pulled out three gold bars, did a sample test of all of them.

00:19:42.920 In the 1970s, they only opened one room to let people see.

00:19:48.780 That's not verifying our gold.

00:19:51.560 That's not an audit.

00:19:52.780 That's right, and most of the video footage that I saw from that visit in the 1970s, which is the most recent one I've seen, it looked to me like mostly a lot of fanfare about the door.

00:20:03.760 I mean, there's this giant door that's like 10 feet thick, and about 10 guys it took to operate all the wheels to open it.

00:20:11.680 But, you know, there wasn't a lot of time spent on the gold, very little time spent actually inspecting it, testing it, making sure it was there, that it was what it purported to be.

00:20:20.720 That's one of the many reasons why the American people, as our government has gotten bigger, as it's gotten more expensive, as it's gotten more intrusive, as it's gotten more, frankly, dishonest.

00:20:30.540 People don't trust it, and they want verification.

00:20:32.700 And this is important for the full faith and credit of the United States government.

00:20:37.040 It is important that people know that we have what we say we have.

00:20:40.300 The only problem is, Mike, and I honestly, I wrestle with this.

00:20:44.700 We go in, and you find out that the gold's not there, or the gold has been re-hypothecated, which I explain in tonight's show.

00:20:53.260 You find out any of these really nasty things, that's not good for America.

00:20:58.400 That could be a collapse overnight.

00:21:00.420 Am I overthinking this?

00:21:01.880 No, you're exactly right.

00:21:03.680 Look, there are two rules in life that everyone needs to know.

00:21:06.360 Number one, a good way to end any party, or at least to fund any party, is to use the word re-hypothecation.

00:21:13.760 Number two, a good way to end the trust in any government is to inject the word re-hypothecation into their gold reserves.

00:21:23.920 That's going to end a lot of the trust that people might have in the financial stability of that country and its monetary system.

00:21:30.780 And so I think that's a very good question that we need to ask when we visit Fort Knox together.

00:21:36.600 Yeah.

00:21:38.000 So, Mike, let me talk to you about what the House did.

00:21:42.320 You know, there were a few people that stood up and said, no, I'm not putting my name behind it.

00:21:48.200 It passed.

00:21:48.920 So, Donald Trump did get his tax cuts and everything that, you know, he wanted, but we didn't get what I really wanted, and that is a Republican Party with a backbone that says, we're serious this time about cutting.

00:22:03.380 They passed an almost $90 trillion 10-year bill, but I think it was like $1.4 trillion in cutting.

00:22:14.140 That's ridiculous.

00:22:16.300 For $90 trillion, you could only find less than 1% to cut? 0.99

00:22:22.260 It's insulting.

00:22:24.340 Yeah, that seems a little bit anemic for what is needed here.

00:22:29.680 Now, if they start, one could say, I suppose, that it is a good start, but remember, this is not the budget that the Senate still would have to act on it.

00:22:38.600 And I personally prefer a much more aggressive approach and would much rather see a more aggressive approach like that.

00:22:46.500 It's been discussed extensively by my friend and colleague from Wisconsin, Ron Johnson.

00:22:52.000 Senator Ron Johnson has pointed out that if we just went back to pre-COVID spending levels and then made upward adjustments for inflation and population increase since COVID,

00:23:03.800 with respect to Social Security and Medicare, that we could get very, very close to balance, we could be at balance within just a few years, like two, three years.

00:23:15.660 So why not take a more aggressive approach like that?

00:23:19.100 Why not use the budget as an opportunity to set that plan, set that predicate, to just say we're not doing this anymore because we can't afford it,

00:23:26.280 and it's going to shut our country and our economy down if we keep messing with this?

00:23:30.620 So why is that not being taken seriously?

00:23:34.660 Well, OK, so there are a lot of reasons.

00:23:38.240 A lot of people are eager to point out, look, House Republicans have a tough.

00:23:43.060 They've got only, you know, depending on the day, the face of the moon, the day of the week,

00:23:48.700 they've only got that one, two or three seat majority cushion.

00:23:52.720 And there are a lot of variances of opinion.

00:23:54.680 But this is exactly the kind of moment when we need leadership.

00:23:57.220 We need bold people to just stand up and say, no, we're not doing this.

00:24:00.600 We're going to be more aggressive about it.

00:24:02.360 So there's still opportunity to do that.

00:24:04.880 This is not the end of the process.

00:24:06.800 We're still very near the beginning of the process.

00:24:09.020 And I personally hope that the Ron Johnson approach will gain more appeal and more of that will get injected into whatever ends up getting passed.

00:24:16.620 You know, I was kind of excited, you know, about a month ago.

00:24:20.260 I thought, oh, wait a minute, we might even be able to get the RAINS Act, which is something people either don't know what it is or they've heard it for, you know, the last 10 or 12 years.

00:24:29.260 And, you know, honestly, maybe it just needs to be called the we're going to do a lot of really cool free stuff for the American People Act and we'll get passed.

00:24:39.140 Explain what the RAINS Act is.

00:24:41.140 And do we have a chance of actually getting because that would fix almost all of our problems?

00:24:47.200 Yes. Yes, it would.

00:24:50.080 The RAINS Act bottom line is that it requires what the Constitution already mandates.

00:24:55.560 In Article 1, Sections 1 and 7, we read that you cannot make a federal law without Congress.

00:25:01.860 And that to pass a federal law, that requires a couple of things.

00:25:04.860 First, bicameral passage, meaning passage of the same bill in the House and in the Senate.

00:25:10.060 Secondly, you have to present that to the president, who can then sign it, veto it, or acquiesce to it.

00:25:16.460 Now, that should be simple, right?

00:25:18.960 Because Article 1, Sections 1 and 7 makes that clear.

00:25:22.000 And yet, for the last 85 years or so, Congress has been in this death spiral of delegating its lawmaking powers.

00:25:29.420 In short, we will say things like, well, we shall have good law in Area X and we hereby delegate to Agency Y the power to make good law in that area.

00:25:37.880 That's nonsense. That makes the work easier for members of Congress, and it insulates members of Congress from political accountability in all the wrong ways.

00:25:46.440 But even more, does it not violate my right to representation?

00:25:51.440 No taxation without representation.

00:25:54.920 100%. Because these people who make most of your laws measured by weight, volume, regulatory compliance costs, you name it, are now made by men and women, not of our own choosing.

00:26:05.660 This is a real problem.

00:26:07.140 Remember what Madison said in Federalist 62?

00:26:09.580 Of course I do.

00:26:10.140 He said, in effect, he said, it'll be of little avail to the American people that their laws may be written by men of their own choosing.

00:26:16.200 If those laws be so voluminous, complex, and ever-changing, they can't know from one day to the next what the law says and what it requires.

00:26:22.220 We don't live in that dystopian nightmare.

00:26:24.120 That's what I remember.

00:26:25.540 100,000 pages a year is what these bureaucratic pinheads put out every year. 0.98

00:26:29.780 And not only are they so ever-changing, you can't know what the law says from one day to the next.

00:26:34.500 They're not even written by men and women of our own choosing.

00:26:37.440 This is tyranny of the sort that would have made King George III blush with envy.

00:26:42.920 These guys are tyrants, and we've got to take it back.

00:26:47.400 Okay.

00:26:47.640 It is Congress's fault.

00:26:48.960 Congress must fix that.

00:26:50.560 Congress may fix it and must fix it by passing the RAINS Act.

00:26:53.560 Okay, so give me four things, these four things that are now in the RAINS Act.

00:26:57.660 It includes the new defense for individuals, which means?

00:27:03.600 Yeah.

00:27:04.140 Okay, so the affirmative defense for individuals.

00:27:06.280 If you are sued, remember these laws put out by the bureaucratic pinheads.

00:27:10.380 If you violate them, they can put you in prison.

00:27:13.160 They can find you millions of dollars.

00:27:15.000 They can shut down your business.

00:27:16.140 The new provision of the RAINS Act that I inserted last year would allow an individual who had one of these enforced against him or her to raise as an affirmative defense, hey, I wasn't on notice.

00:27:29.460 You have to be adequately placed on notice.

00:27:31.380 It's one of the hallmark characteristics of due process.

00:27:33.600 You're placed adequately on notice as to what your obligation is.

00:27:36.900 And the way you need to be placed on notice is that something is passed by both the Houses of Congress and then given to the president for signature.

00:27:44.620 And if you can point out that the affirmative legal obligations in that regulation were not evident on the face of any statute passed by Congress, then you could use that as a defense and you can be let off the hook for that.

00:27:58.700 This is as it should be.

00:28:00.120 But currently, you can go to prison or have your business shut down if you don't comply with whatever the bureaucratic thing you have to do.

00:28:06.940 Right.

00:28:07.140 And this is where it gets scary because show me the person, I'll show you the crime.

00:28:10.880 There's so much on the books that you don't even know that they can just put you away for.

00:28:16.300 Correct?

00:28:17.580 No, that's exactly right.

00:28:19.080 I tell some stories that came out of a book about 10 years ago called Our Lost Constitution.

00:28:23.280 Yep.

00:28:23.600 It tells some stories about, among other things, a father and son construction duo who were building houses in Florida's Escambia Bay.

00:28:33.460 They ran afoul of one of these regulations.

00:28:35.700 They were not on notice of it.

00:28:36.880 They both ended up serving prison time just for clearing some land.

00:28:41.020 They hadn't even built anything on it yet.

00:28:43.140 They started to clear some land to get ready to dig a foundation for some homes.

00:28:48.000 They had no reason to believe they were violating any regulation.

00:28:51.420 But unbeknownst to them, some bureaucratic pinhead had designated that a wetland area, even though it didn't have any visible wetland characteristics.

00:28:59.760 And they went to prison for it.

00:29:00.960 This is exactly the kind of thing the Rains Act would protect you from.

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00:29:13.840 Vivek Ramaswamy, the Ohio gubernatorial candidate, Strive Asset Manager, co-founder.

00:29:20.460 Also, I would say the co-founder, co-designer of Doge.

00:29:24.080 And a good friend of the program.

00:29:25.780 Vivek, how are you?

00:29:27.580 Good to talk to you, Glenn.

00:29:28.620 How you been?

00:29:29.420 Really good.

00:29:30.280 Really good.

00:29:31.200 So, I got a lot to talk to you about.

00:29:33.280 First of all, why do you want to be the governor of Ohio?

00:29:38.880 Well, look, I think that Donald Trump is doing a great job as U.S. president.

00:29:42.280 But that means that a lot of federal programs are going to come down from Washington, D.C., from education to health care, back to the states and to the people where they belong.

00:29:54.220 That's one of the things I saw in my early effort in helping get Doge off the ground is the same thing.

00:29:58.620 Federalism is the way forward to our golden age.

00:30:02.380 And that is going to require strong governors to actually step up and do their job in leading and managing education, for example, in the right way.

00:30:11.820 And so, I was born and raised in Ohio.

00:30:13.740 It's where I'm raising my two sons today.

00:30:15.980 I think it's one of the better states in the Midwest.

00:30:18.440 But I want to lead Ohio to be the top state in the country to raise a young family, to grow a business, and to live the American dream that I have.

00:30:26.380 That's why I'm in it.

00:30:27.180 Yeah.

00:30:27.840 I mean, he's, I don't know. 0.76

00:30:29.560 I mean, it's kind of like conservative porn here.

00:30:31.360 He's talking about returning the power to the states and cutting all those federal programs.

00:30:38.140 Oh, yeah.

00:30:39.860 So, Vague, the way the government is going, I mean, I hope that Doge actually does the job, and I hope we finish the job here.

00:30:51.120 We've got so much we have to cut.

00:30:53.480 I mean, trillions of dollars we have to cut and return that power to the state.

00:30:57.660 Everybody's saying this is going to be chaos.

00:31:00.940 As the governor of Ohio, how do you prepare for what is coming so it's not chaos?

00:31:08.640 What has to be done?

00:31:09.580 I have to admit, I think the job is going to be far easier for me at the state level than it is doing it at the federal level, which is a gargantuan project.

00:31:20.380 But I do think that giving taxpayers the transparency, first of all, how their money is being spent, fixing the regulatory state, all that's required.

00:31:28.360 At the level of Ohio, I think this is actually immediately achievable in ways that improve people's lives, right?

00:31:35.940 I'm into bringing the American dream back to Ohio.

00:31:38.040 How do we do it?

00:31:39.180 Flash every bit of red tape in the state.

00:31:41.400 I mean, think about the overregulation that comes from that bureaucracy.

00:31:44.620 That is the easiest thing we could fix right out the gate.

00:31:47.920 18 to 36 months for a natural gas pipeline, that should be six months or less.

00:31:53.180 I haven't met a single person in Ohio.

00:31:55.420 I haven't met a single person in the country, Glenn, who says that we have too little red tape.

00:32:00.020 I've met a lot of people, especially business owners, who will tell you that there is too much red tape.

00:32:05.180 And so I do think that this idea that this is just an academic project, no, it's not just academic solutions to address a deficit number or a debt number or a GDP number.

00:32:15.280 I think these are vital improvements to our economic and social fabric so that little league teams no longer have to shut down because they can't find a local company to sponsor them because they went to another state with a more favorable regulatory environment.

00:32:28.700 So a mom doesn't have to think twice before having a second or third kid for fear of the cost of a bigger car because the tax rate's too high in the state. 1.00

00:32:37.360 So one of the things I want to do is to drive the income tax rate down, eventually down to zero, like eight other states that have done the same thing.

00:32:45.600 Back the property tax burden.

00:32:47.180 It's your land, not the government's.

00:32:48.900 It is your money, not the government's.

00:32:51.040 And I don't think that those should be controversial things to say.

00:32:54.520 Hang on, hang on just a second.

00:32:55.660 Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

00:32:56.720 Talk to me about property taxes again.

00:32:58.920 What was your plan on property taxes?

00:33:02.640 Well, property tax in Ohio, so this is a problem in our state in particular, have gotten way too high.

00:33:08.080 So many people are paying as much money on their interest plus principal repayment as they are on their property tax.

00:33:17.460 And it makes you feel like you're not owning your land anymore.

00:33:21.140 Your own land feels like you're leasing it from the government, which is un-American. 0.96

00:33:25.120 So that's exactly what we're taking aim at.

00:33:29.000 I have to tell you, I think property cuts.

00:33:31.580 It's about putting the money back in the pocket of people's hands.

00:33:34.140 I think property tax is absolutely immoral.

00:33:38.320 You cannot.

00:33:39.320 It's un-American. 0.82

00:33:39.660 It is.

00:33:40.580 I don't actually own anything if it can be taken from me because of tax.

00:33:44.960 I mean, that is like, isn't that the story of Robin Hood?

00:33:47.340 I mean, it's actually funny you say that.

00:33:51.180 John Locke was one of the intellectual progenitors of our country's founding, as you're well aware, and the ownership of private property was foundational to the formation of the United States of America.

00:34:03.760 And so I think we would do well to remember those basic time-tested principles.

00:34:08.980 Capitalism is the greatest system known to man to lift us up from poverty.

00:34:12.700 We've started to apologize for that as well.

00:34:15.420 No, I want Ohio.

00:34:16.540 And look, I say this for Ohio, but I say this because it has a national significance too, Glenn, is I want Ohio to set the standard for the rest of the country where we embrace property rights, where we embrace capitalism and meritocracy instead of apologizing for it.

00:34:30.900 And the beauty of our system is that so much of saving our country actually has to come from the level of the states, has to come from the people.

00:34:40.360 That's what James Madison envisioned.

00:34:41.940 That's what our founding fathers envisioned.

00:34:43.880 So I think federalism is the way.

00:34:45.880 The path to our golden age runs through federalism.

00:34:49.840 And that's why, look, I think that saving this country is a team effort.

00:34:52.680 That's why I chose to run for this position after great conversations with President Trump, with Elon.

00:34:58.180 Frankly, both of them, they came out within hours of my announcement, within an hour to both endorse, and I was proud to receive their support and others statewide here as well.

00:35:08.500 But that's because this is going to be a team effort to save the country.

00:35:12.260 And I do think leadership at the level of the states, especially starting a year or two from now, after a lot of those programs have been pushed back down to the states and the people where they belong, I do see a bit of a leadership gap there.

00:35:25.040 And that's a big part of why I was called into this.

00:35:27.720 And we're going to set a national standard.

00:35:29.780 We can call it the Ohio standard.

00:35:31.280 We can call it a modern-day Northwest ordinance.

00:35:33.140 But a conservative state, when governed according to conservative principles, actually, can be a magnet for the rest of the country.

00:35:41.300 Okay, I've got a serious question for you.

00:35:43.240 But first, an even more serious question.

00:35:45.800 Every time I've ever endorsed any candidate, they always lose.

00:35:49.080 So what is my non-endorsement worth to you, Vivek?

00:35:54.400 Your friendship is worth a lot to me.

00:35:57.080 And we'd love to have you in Ohio.

00:35:59.780 Right.

00:36:00.020 We'll turn that into a Midas touch.

00:36:03.060 So I do want to talk to you about something that you are, you're qualified to answer.

00:36:09.700 And I think there are very few people that are qualified that people trust and know that can speak on this.

00:36:17.920 You know, Musk came out and talked about the singularity on Sunday and said, we are on the event horizon of the singularity.

00:36:24.060 For anybody who really understands what's coming our way in the next three to five years, the world will be completely different in ways that none of us can imagine in five years from now.

00:36:35.020 How do we how do we explain this to the American people and how do you prepare a state to be nimble enough to be able to adapt?

00:36:48.000 I mean, I really believe we're at the very beginning here of a maybe 18 to 36 month change where at the end of these 36 months, it's going to be entirely different.

00:37:02.780 And people will have to understand you either adapt right now or you're out.

00:37:07.760 Right. So how do you go ahead?

00:37:10.680 Either you're playing from the front and you're shaping that change or else you're going to be shaped by that.

00:37:16.480 Right. And it is a leader.

00:37:18.600 And it's huge. The difference is massive than it than we've ever seen before.

00:37:23.380 Right. Absolutely.

00:37:25.140 So it's interesting about a position of from the perspective of state leadership.

00:37:27.980 Right. As the next governor of Ohio, I want Ohio to be the state where we use AI not to take jobs, but to make jobs.

00:37:36.400 And what I mean by that is there's there's a lot of focus on a lot of investment across the country and the world into algorithmic improvement, into actually improving the computational power driving new AI algorithms.

00:37:49.880 And that's important. But where I don't think we've invested enough is how to apply that AI, how to use that next generation of intelligence to apply it to their respective fields from health care to financial services to construction design.

00:38:03.520 And there you're talking about using skilled workers who are already in the state that don't have to be programming the next generation of AI.

00:38:10.140 We've trained the AI. What I want to do is to train the human beings on how to use that AI and apply it to enhance their own productivity on their own terms.

00:38:19.840 And I think that last part is really important, Glenn, as we're headed to the future.

00:38:23.820 The future is coming, whether we like it or not.

00:38:25.680 Do you want to be dragged by it or do you want to shape it?

00:38:27.760 And I want to be a leader who helps us shape it to harness the power of that.

00:38:32.760 So as governor, what do you do?

00:38:35.280 Yeah.

00:38:35.700 What do you do to to encourage that to to, you know, Ohio has a lot of blue collar jobs.

00:38:41.740 Sure, sure.

00:38:43.100 So I think one of the things we need to do is invest in workforce training and education and allow the private sector to already do it by getting out of the way.

00:38:48.600 Eliminate occupational licensing requirements.

00:38:51.020 But also, I want this to be the state where two things are true, Glenn.

00:38:54.840 And too often, even on the right, sometimes we make this an either or.

00:38:58.640 I want this to be the state where we say both of these paths are open.

00:39:01.880 I want Ohio to be the top state in the country when it comes to our universities.

00:39:05.780 For somebody who wants to become an engineer or a doctor or a computer programmer, that's great.

00:39:10.620 That should be open to them here.

00:39:12.100 And that goes through a traditional bachelor's degree and maybe Ph.D. degrees, too.

00:39:16.180 And that's great.

00:39:17.020 It's not that that's elite and bad.

00:39:18.440 That's that's a good thing.

00:39:19.760 But we also want to be the state that has two and one year and even six month or nine month vocational programs that train people to be an electrician or a welder or a builder and give them also in their respective fields.

00:39:34.760 Even the training needed know how to use that.

00:39:38.080 How to use that generation of technology to apply it to their respective fields.

00:39:43.040 That's what true modernization looks like.

00:39:44.740 So I don't want to fall in this camp and say, oh, well, that technological revolution is for somebody else.

00:39:49.260 No.

00:39:49.600 How do we harness the fruits of that to actually improve our own lives, even in fields that weren't traditionally thought to necessarily be technologically forward fields?

00:39:59.300 I want to change that attitude.

00:40:01.040 And, you know, it's not either or it's not one is more elite than the other.

00:40:04.200 We're all elite in the way I look at it.

00:40:05.940 But I don't refer to the other professions as the trades.

00:40:08.960 I call them the professions because that's what they are.

00:40:11.560 They deserve the same degree of dignity and respect.

00:40:13.820 But at the same time, it's not going to be by chasing our past.

00:40:16.920 It is going to be by leading us to chase our future.

00:40:19.340 So I do think that requires a new generation of leadership.

00:40:22.080 And at the state level, it's a big part of why I'm stepping into what I see as a leadership vacuum.

00:40:27.040 So I think Donald Trump has ushered in a completely new era that is not even nobody even begins to understand it yet.

00:40:33.880 I mean, I think he's going to be remembered as our first real technology president.

00:40:38.160 And he is changing everything about this system and it's long needed to be changed.

00:40:44.280 But when he comes to like last night in the House, they passed a budget.

00:40:49.480 The budget really, I mean, I guess it's a step in the right direction, but it's still growing the deficit.

00:40:56.860 And, you know, it has some good things in it, but also has some other bad things.

00:41:00.980 You have Congressman Davidson from from Ohio that voted against it last night.

00:41:05.860 And part of me is is with Massey and people like that are like, hey, you know what?

00:41:11.360 We've got to cut, cut, cut.

00:41:13.480 How do we get America or the people of Ohio or the Congress and the Senate to understand trillions of dollars need to be cut?

00:41:25.860 No more eating around the edges.

00:41:27.800 Trillions of dollars need to be cut.

00:41:29.800 How do we get there?

00:41:31.980 Well, the truth is one of the paths is grow, grow, grow.

00:41:34.980 It goes to that spirit that you talked about.

00:41:37.000 That's where I think as a great leader of a state, you can at least help in that regard, where if you're depressing economic growth, then your debt to GDP ratio becomes even worse because your GDP growth rates are lower.

00:41:48.680 So one of the areas to focus on is just robust economic growth through mass deregulation, through mass unlocking of private sector potential, through slashing and burning bureaucracy wherever necessary.

00:42:00.840 And that's one positive side.

00:42:02.120 On the other side, though, Glenn, and you raise a good point here, I would just say there are ways to rationalize the budget that actually lift people up in the process.

00:42:12.920 I'll give you one example, and I'm going to lead the way here in Ohio on this front is reattaching work requirements to welfare, Medicaid and other forms of aid.

00:42:25.420 I think it is not compassion.

00:42:27.620 It is cruelty to increase somebody's dependence on the government.

00:42:31.760 The way we're going to save our country is not through greater dependence on the government, but independence from it.

00:42:39.400 We're not victims.

00:42:40.620 We have this victimhood mentality that then justifies that dependence.

00:42:44.180 We're done with that victimhood culture.

00:42:46.020 We've got to move on.

00:42:46.900 We're victors, not victims.

00:42:48.580 We don't whine.

00:42:49.640 We win.

00:42:50.440 You help somebody stand up on their own two feet.

00:42:52.600 And that's a great way.

00:42:54.080 You're looking at a lot of the spending in Medicaid, a lot of spending in welfare.

00:42:57.440 It's a great way to bring down spending.

00:42:59.180 But even more importantly, it is an even better way to help those Americans to actually realize the American dream rather than to be permanently dependent on a state that serves as a ceiling for what they're able to achieve in their lives.

00:43:12.840 And there are a lot of that does have to be done and led at the state level.

00:43:16.860 The federal government, there's a role to play.

00:43:18.840 But I think there's also an important role for what does a leader look like who has the spine to step up and actually do that?

00:43:25.600 Ohio is a state that doesn't have work requirements attached to Medicaid right now.

00:43:28.340 That needs to change.

00:43:29.700 And so that's the way I'm looking to lead is to bring back that culture of work, end the war on work.

00:43:35.040 And that does two things.

00:43:36.360 One is it enhances economic productivity and GDP growth.

00:43:39.300 The other thing it does is it brings down our debt and our spending.

00:43:43.500 But the third and most important thing it does is it brings back our sense of national spirit and self-worth and individual self-confidence for so many who have lost that in this culture of victimhood and entitlement and dependence on the government.

00:43:58.860 It's time for us to graduate from the era of dependence and move back to our era of independence.

00:44:04.960 Think about that as a modern day declaration of independence from the government.

00:44:08.420 A modern day Northwest ordinance centered right here in Ohio.

00:44:12.220 That's where I want to lead us.

00:44:13.780 And I personally think, Glenn, a lot of politically homeless people, independents, libertarians, not just Republicans, maybe even some orphaned Reagan Democrats will come along with us for this ride.

00:44:24.160 And I think that's a good thing.

00:44:25.700 Vivek, you know, we met each other maybe five years ago and I really liked you then, but I wasn't sure.

00:44:32.200 I wanted to watch you for a while.

00:44:33.500 I know who you are and I'm not going to endorse you because I like you too much and, you know, to endorse.

00:44:39.860 But I will tell you, I am on your train.

00:44:42.440 I just think you would be great for Ohio.

00:44:46.240 And so it's an endorsement without being an endorsement because I don't want to jinx your your candidacy.

00:44:51.700 But I appreciate that.

00:44:53.400 Best of luck.

00:44:53.800 It means a lot to me.

00:44:54.760 Yeah.

00:44:54.920 And we'll hopefully set a good example and learn some lessons from Texas as well.

00:44:58.020 Yeah.

00:44:58.180 So thank you.

00:44:59.080 All right.

00:44:59.440 Bye bye.

00:44:59.760 Vivek Ramaswamy now running for governor.

00:45:02.900 You can find out all you need to know about him at Vivek for Ohio dot com.

00:45:08.900 Vivek for Ohio dot com.

00:45:11.260 Na na na na.

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