Sen. Rand Paul (R-Kentucky) joins Glenn on the show to talk about his new book, "Vaccinegate" and why he thinks vaccines should be made public. Glenn and Pat also talk about their favorite fall foods.
00:02:19.240You said yesterday, we've been asking you, and you refuse to answer whether anyone on the vaccine committee gets royalties from the pharmaceutical companies.
00:02:27.620I asked you last time, and your response was, we don't have to tell you.
00:02:30.800When we get in charge, we're going to change the rules, and you will have to divulge where you get your royalties from, from what companies.
00:02:39.060If anyone on the committee has a conflict of interest, we're going to learn about it.
00:02:46.100Can you imagine, Glenn, if your local school board had a member of the school board who sold textbooks and didn't tell anybody, and then there was a bid for textbooks, and he got the contract or she got the contract?
00:03:00.360In fact, nobody in their right mind thinks that right.
00:03:02.920There was always, you always have to divulge where your money comes from if you're approving things, particularly Pfizer made $36 billion last quarter.
00:03:12.860I mean, for goodness sakes, they should be chomping at the bit to reassure us that nobody on that committee is receiving royalties from either Pfizer or Moderna.
00:04:03.100So, you know, the fear that many conservatives have for independents, and there's more and more independents than there are Republicans lately, they are all saying the same thing.
00:04:18.080If you guys just have hearings and it goes nowhere and nobody pays for the crimes, it'll be the last time anybody pulls a lever for an R.
00:04:27.140What power do you guys have if you take control?
00:04:32.020I'll give you an idea from my perspective.
00:04:35.380There are different committees, and the committees have different rules.
00:04:38.560Certain committees have more subpoena rules, and many of the committees you have to have all of the Republicans vote to give you the subpoena power.
00:04:46.760Some of the committees I'm on have the biggest rhinos in the world, and I'll never be able to get subpoena power.
00:04:53.700Some of the committees I'm on, I might have the subpoena power.
00:04:56.600So this will weigh into our decision on which committee to take if we win.
00:05:03.040Not only am I going to have hearings, not only will I have an investigation, I'm going to appoint a special investigator, which will likely be like a prosecuting attorney, a lawyer.
00:05:13.400But I'm also going to appoint a special investigating scientist to help that lawyer, because so much of this is science.
00:05:19.660The scientists come in, bamboozle the lawyer, and the lawyer says, well, gosh, that's confusing.
00:05:24.600So we really need a scientist and a lawyer to oversee this, and we are going to find out about the origins, not only what happened, where it came from, but whether there was a cover-up afterwards.
00:05:34.980There's also the ancillary things of finding out who's getting what money from whom and who's on which committee.
00:05:40.760And there's also the idea of what kind of studies need to be done to help people make a decision who've either been vaccinated or had the disease or both to know what the truth is about do they need another vaccine.
00:05:54.600If you've had two vaccines and you've been infected, do you really need a third?
00:05:58.460Do you need a fourth, a fifth, a tenth?
00:06:00.540The data they're giving us is completely without any scientific probity.
00:06:06.680They are saying, oh, well, you make antibodies when we give you this.
00:06:26.400So there's some other things that are really disturbing, Rand, and that is we're now seeing an uptick of rare cancers, especially in the young.
00:06:37.62018, you know, 40, and doctors can't explain it.
00:06:42.660There's this there's this glut of deaths that doctors just can't explain.
00:06:47.640Are any of these connected to the vaccines?
00:06:52.740I don't know, but I do know that we should have an honest and open mind and study these things.
00:06:58.340And I do know that things with statistics are sometimes difficult.
00:07:01.940So, for example, the death rate for COVID overall is about 0.3 percent.
00:07:08.040So that means really 99.7 percent of the people are going to survive.
00:07:13.580So when people say, well, I took this and I got better in three days and it must be because I took this.
00:07:19.580It's hard to know because I took nothing and I got better also.
00:07:22.960So so you have to look at large numbers when the when the mortality rate is so low, you have to have large numbers of people in each category to figure it out.
00:07:50.820I think that they have preconceived notions.
00:07:54.020One, that everybody should be vaccinated.
00:07:56.220And this is why they don't release any data on whether or not people have also had COVID.
00:08:01.120COVID, because then people would, you know, if they had any inclination that maybe having had the infection with or without a vaccine was plenty of protection, that would dissuade them from doing what the CDC has agreed we should do.
00:08:14.320And that's just keep getting vaccinated all the time every year for this thing.
00:08:18.400And so but those are things we have to push to find the truth.
00:08:22.120But it's not always easy to find the truth.
00:08:23.620Does Moderna still have the the MRNA technology rights?
00:08:55.600I just found it interesting that right around the time that Moderna is getting off of the government teat on one thing, they're getting back on the government teat for another and the same technology.
00:09:17.280As far as the government buying or owning big and large chunks of some kind of cure, some kind of treatment, it's a mistake because then they control the usage of it.
00:09:28.920So, for example, the government approved the monoclonal antibodies under emergency use authorization.
00:09:36.960But when doing so, then they controlled how it was used.
00:09:40.260And so they said you can only use it as an outpatient.
00:09:43.160Well, I was getting calls from people all over the country said I'm really sick and they think I'm going to go on a ventilator in the next day or two.
00:09:48.880But I want the monoclonal antibodies, but they won't give them to me because I'm already an inpatient.
00:09:55.040You know, people are asking me, should I get discharged and go to the emergency room, get the monoclonal antibodies, and then let them bring me back across the curtain into the main hospital?
00:10:03.320I mean, but that was because the government owned them.
00:10:06.520So there's a big danger when the government owns things.
00:10:09.120The other thing that happened and wasn't talked about much on this is this was a billion-dollar, multi-billion-dollar subsidy for the big insurance companies.
00:10:34.080You paid premiums to your insurance company, and your insurance company didn't have to pay for treatment of COVID because we socialized the treatment.
00:10:41.280But really, in doing so, it became this massive gift to the health insurance companies.
00:10:47.080Do you believe that our government violated the Nuremberg rules?
00:10:52.580You know, I don't I don't I don't I don't know.
00:10:56.520You know, the thing is, is I do think that they violated every precept of the scientific method by being open and curious as to the origins of the virus, open and curious and level headed and equal minded.
00:11:11.540As far as treatment, I think they brought bias and bigotry and preconceptions into everything.
00:11:18.920And because of that, you know, for example, I don't advise people to go out and take ivermectin or hydroxychloroquine.
00:11:25.800But if I had been in the scientific committees, I would have studied both of them and I would have tried to study them objectively.
00:11:32.020They were so thoroughly trashed in the media that I don't think we got objective studies.
00:11:37.320Now, there have been studies outside the U.S. that are a little more objective, but it was all completely traded on Trump derangement syndrome because Trump mentioned something positive about one or both of those treatments.
00:12:28.500And now we're on the monkey pox and God knows what comes next.
00:12:32.800Are we as a people secure from our own government that we are not going to be forced to be parts of their medical experiments or things in the future?
00:12:44.420You know, we've had so many of these hearings where the left and the government comes forward and says, we want to dispel vaccine hesitancy.
00:13:05.300If I get all the information and I think it's better for me to take the vaccine, I will.
00:13:09.740I'm not adamantly opposed to taking the vaccine.
00:13:11.860In fact, for older folks, my in-laws, 91 and 86, my wife got them the vaccine.
00:13:17.640My wife took the vaccine and she's about my age and healthy but hadn't had COVID.
00:13:21.640I chose not to just because I'd had COVID.
00:13:23.940And I thought the evidence was strong even initially that I would have immunity.
00:13:28.060And as it's gone on, it looks like I have at least as good as the vaccine, maybe twice as good as the vaccine.
00:13:33.080So these decisions need to be made, but we need to allow the freedom of people to make these decisions and to gain the information.
00:13:43.280And this has led to a great deal of distrust because people know, frankly, I mean, look at the most recent vaccine that they're going to do now is brand new.
00:13:52.500It'll be Omicron mixed with the wild variety.
00:13:55.000So it'll be somewhat an updated vaccine.
00:16:02.480I mean, the great thing about energy is there's all the potential to produce low cost, reliable energy for billions of people in thousands of places.
00:16:10.960There's no physical resource deficit for doing this, and there's no knowledge deficit.
00:16:16.440Human beings know how to produce reliable electricity, right?
00:16:19.060We know how to produce energy on a scale of billions of people.
00:16:21.940We're just being prohibited from doing it politically, which means that there is a political solution if we are liberated to be able to do it.
00:16:30.240So we have – I mentioned that in Colorado, I mean, people who have these smart thermostats have said for a while, don't do that.
00:16:41.000In Colorado, they had to – they lost control of their thermostats.
00:16:45.320And I mentioned that and said, you know, if you're right to touch your thermostat is only worth $25 a year to you, good luck.
00:16:55.220But people are bashing back saying, well, that's because the coal power plants went down, you know, and it was an emergency at the coal fire plants because coal is just not stable.
00:17:06.620Yeah, we're really in this Orwellian world, right?
00:17:09.680I mean, like the Inflation Act is called the Inflation Reduction Act.
00:17:22.080Yeah, I mean, what they always point to – they did this with the Texas blackouts too – they'll point to some individual failure of some fossil fuel plant and then say, oh, well, this inherently doesn't work.
00:17:33.480But we know that we can produce reliable electricity with fossil fuels because we've been doing it for generations and we've done it in all weather conditions.
00:17:40.220You can do it when it's really cold, when it's really hot.
00:17:42.160So, you know that if a fossil fuel plant fails, that's just something about the specific situation.
00:17:58.060And part of what happens when you see fossil fuel failures is often they have to account for the intermittency of solar and wind.
00:18:04.860So, they have to cycle up and down or be shut down and restarted more, much more than they would be if they were on their own.
00:18:11.160And – or what happens is they'll get defunded.
00:18:13.860The way the whole subsidies work, which we just expanded, unfortunately, is that they defund reliable power plants, including things like weatherization, say, for natural gas in Texas.
00:18:22.860So, we know that we can – again, we have all the ability to produce reliable electricity at low cost.
00:18:27.920We're just not using it because of political factors.
00:20:47.740Energy inherently involves developing the world around us.
00:20:51.680And yet, we have an anti-development movement that is setting energy policy and running many of these agencies.
00:20:58.300So, there's opposition to development even in the investment world, but in particular, just all these anti-development policies that are restricting fossil fuel development, nuclear development, etc.
00:21:07.620So, like ESG is a good example of this.
00:21:09.860Well, yeah, ESG is a kind of quasi-political.
00:21:12.500But if you just look at how difficult it is, if you take nuclear, like how difficult it is to start a nuclear plant.
00:21:20.540Part of that is you have these anti-development so-called green activists who can stop things on a dime.
00:21:25.980So, what you really need are policies that are fundamentally pro-development and that they're responsible development in the sense of they try to stop endangerment.
00:21:34.620So, you don't want to endanger local people or endanger some national treasure, but you can't have the idea that it's wrong to develop nature.
00:21:41.880And that terrible anti-human idea is at the root of so many of our laws and policies.
00:21:47.140So, when I go into the details, if people go to energytalkingpoints.com, you'll see there's a lot of specific policies that need to be reformed that are anti-development right now.
00:22:22.120And then the most insidious that people don't know is that we have very unfair pricing because there is no cost penalty for selling unreliable electricity into the grid.
00:23:12.660So, this had to do with the air and water emission standards.
00:23:15.660And so, right now, let's look at what the EPA is doing.
00:23:18.260We have, in that article, Electricity Emergency, I talk about, they're slated to be 93 gigawatts of coal shutting down in terms of already announced things.
00:23:26.200That's almost one-tenth of our reliable capacity.
00:23:31.660But there's also the threat of 92 more.
00:23:34.480So, almost a fifth of our reliable capacity.
00:23:37.040Like, there's a reliability bloodbath that's scheduled to happen.
00:23:40.940The lion's share of this comes from EPA policies.
00:23:43.880So, it's EPA deliberately trying to do things that will shut down these coal plants, even though, as you've talked about, there's no viable replacement in the pipeline.
00:23:51.720We have almost no nuclear scheduled, not nearly enough gas.
00:25:00.220I think one of the challenges is – I talk about this in Chapter 1 of Fossil Future.
00:25:04.060We rely on what I call a knowledge system to give us expert knowledge and guidance on all these specialized areas.
00:25:09.880And what you have is multiple of these specializations are failing at the same time, but each specialization thinks the other is doing its job.
00:25:18.380So, for instance, the electricity people have been hiding the electricity emergency.
00:26:07.740Well, most people – the experts, so-called – the people we're told are experts, they can't be that wrong.
00:26:13.340But they can be that wrong in part because what we're told the experts think is usually a massive distortion of what the actual researchers in a field think.
00:26:27.120I mean, it's the idea that it's – the world is going to end if it gets, you know, one or two degrees warmer on a planet where far more people die of cold than of heat.
00:26:35.620The researchers don't think that, but that gets distorted by what I call our knowledge system to make it, oh, it's an apocalypse,
00:26:41.080and you have to take a crash emergency action and destroy all your energy, and then the planet will be nice to you and life will be great.
00:27:26.960We are already seeing technology that is – we have reduced greenhouse gases better than anybody else,
00:27:35.220and a lot of it is because of new technology, but we just dismiss that.
00:27:40.180I think there are a couple things going on.
00:27:42.220So one is this idea that CO2 emissions are an emergency, and when you think of something as an emergency, you need to get rid of it immediately.
00:27:49.640And if that's your view, the only thing you can do is just massively destroy human life.
00:27:54.380I mean, that's the only way you can do it.
00:27:56.040To reduce emissions now in a world where fossil fuels are 80% of the world's energy, in a world that needs vastly more energy,
00:28:02.2803 billion people using less electricity per person than one of our refrigerators, like, the world is going to be using more fossil fuels for a while.
00:28:08.840So if you think of it as an emergency the world is going to end, then you are going to do these crash programs and accept these terrible consequences,
00:28:15.980which we're just beginning to see because we've only reduced fossil fuels a little bit compared to what has been asked for by World Economic Forum and all these other people.
00:28:25.520So one is this emergency mindset is really bad, and it's not justified.
00:30:12.260So two years ago, I was very frustrated by, I was having success with the public and I was having success in the corporate world,
00:30:18.500but the political world was just totally ignorant of the kind of pro-human, pro-freedom energy thinking I had been developing.
00:30:25.300And I figured out like the thing I could do was I needed to figure out how to give them messaging and policy in a way that was useful for them.
00:30:32.600So I started this website, energytalkingpoints.com.
00:30:35.640Like everything on that can be fit in a tweet.
00:30:38.180So it's like really efficient ways of explaining pro-freedom views.
00:30:41.880So if you go there, there's like probably thousands of individual talking points, all really well referenced.
00:30:46.580And then I found that I got demand for people to get custom help.
00:30:50.080So I created something called energy talking points on demand where I'd have bi-weekly briefings and it's just with high-level offices.
00:30:56.440So it's congressional offices, U.S. Senate offices and governor's offices.
00:31:01.000And so we have about 300 staffers who are part of it, over 100 offices.
00:31:05.220And increasingly, I'm meeting with the elected officials themselves.
00:31:07.900I spoke to a group of 20 last time I was in D.C.
00:33:00.200Sweden is an exceptional place because Sweden Sweden during World War Two helps so many people help so many people escape the Nazis, etc., etc.
00:33:12.700And they call full calm, which is the people's home.
00:33:41.720Not only did the social Democrat led alliance fail to win its customary majority, the right wing alliance is now radically altered as well.
00:33:52.640It may still be fronted by the center right moderates, but the largest component now is the hard right Sweden Democrats.
00:34:01.840The margin between the left and right blocks may be as tight as a single seat, but this is huge.
00:34:10.880As recently as 2018, the Sweden Democrats were beyond the pale.
00:34:16.300The problem wasn't only that, like most of Europe's new right parties, they originated on a neo-fascist fringe in the 1980s.
00:34:27.760Their leader, Jimmy, I don't know, Ackinson or what is the A with the circle above it?
00:34:35.040Anyway, some Swedish name who moved them to the center also alienated the moderates by speaking out so bluntly about immigration, Islam and crime.
00:36:00.320And it worked when you were working with this all white, blonde hair, blue eyed, homogenous, little teeny country where everybody thought alike and worked alike.
00:36:12.340Now you've got they took more immigrants than anyone else from the Middle East.