The Glenn Beck Program - January 26, 2021


Best of The Program ｜ Guests： Sen. Rand Paul & Mark Meckler ｜ 1⧸26⧸21


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Glenn Beck and Rand Paul join me on the Glenn Beck Show to discuss the ongoing saga of the Robust Proposals for Impeachment of President Donald Trump and the ongoing hearings that have been scheduled to begin today.

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00:00:00.000 Well, I mean, Stu and I rolled up our sleeves and we got right to work to build back better,
00:00:05.160 which is something that just rolls off the tongue, especially if you've ever been to Davos or the World Economic Forum.
00:00:12.680 We concentrate on what the country is really facing.
00:00:18.480 And it is, I have a sneaking suspicion, it looks a little like socialism, but it is more of an oligarchy.
00:00:27.420 We talk about that.
00:00:28.780 Also, Rand Paul joins us and we talk about the Convention of States.
00:00:33.820 And if two masks is better than one, how many masks can you fit on your ears?
00:00:41.340 And really, how many is better than two?
00:00:46.180 All on today's podcast.
00:00:53.860 You're listening to the best of the Glenn Beck program.
00:00:58.780 We're still waiting on Senator Rand Paul to join us here on impeachment.
00:01:10.040 And he has just joined us now.
00:01:12.840 Doctor, how are you, sir?
00:01:14.760 Very good, Glenn.
00:01:15.900 Thanks for having me on.
00:01:16.720 You bet.
00:01:17.080 I want to talk to you about what you say is an unconstitutional sham of an impeachment trial.
00:01:25.980 I don't understand how you can have the vote in the Senate to convict and remove when he's already removed.
00:01:37.460 Well, this is the whole point.
00:01:40.080 And I'm going to go to the floor in about an hour, and I'm going to force a vote on this today.
00:01:44.880 Republican leadership has made a deal and wants to make a deal with Schumer to allow a Democrat to preside over this hearing.
00:01:52.040 But my point is, if you're impeaching the president, the chief justice needs to be there.
00:01:57.180 But if the person is no longer president, then he's a private citizen.
00:02:00.780 It is an impeachment.
00:02:02.180 If someone's committed a crime and they're no longer the president, the Department of Justice has to accuse them of a crime, and you go to a court.
00:02:09.240 But this is only for impeaching somebody.
00:02:11.580 And the Constitution says when you impeach, and later on you can disqualify.
00:02:15.040 Disqualify, but it's and.
00:02:16.700 It isn't or.
00:02:18.040 If you can't impeach them any longer, we are doing something that has never been done to a president before.
00:02:23.400 It's going to divide the country further.
00:02:25.340 It's a huge mistake.
00:02:26.860 And it belies everything Biden supposedly says about unity.
00:02:31.040 No, this is the most divisive thing I could imagine the Democrats doing at this point.
00:02:34.940 Tell me why John Roberts isn't coming and isn't invited.
00:02:40.140 That doesn't make any sense.
00:02:43.140 Well, here's the question.
00:02:44.300 You know, if reporters were worth their salt, what do you think they ought to ask Schumer today?
00:02:48.820 Did you talk to John Roberts?
00:02:50.600 I guarantee they had a private conversation.
00:02:53.280 I guarantee Schumer called him up, begging him to come over.
00:02:55.960 And he said, well, the Constitution says I preside over an impeachment of the president.
00:03:00.980 And he's not the president because the Democrats realize this is going to lessen the legitimacy or call into question the legitimacy of the proceeding.
00:03:09.480 But I guarantee that if they had a conversation, people should be.
00:03:12.880 If reporters were worth anything, they would be pounding Schumer every day saying, did you talk to John Roberts?
00:03:18.440 What did he say?
00:03:19.500 Because John Roberts' opinion here is very important.
00:03:21.900 It goes to the very nature and legitimacy of this thing.
00:03:26.020 And with John Roberts not showing up, the chief justice not being here, I really think that this is an illegitimate process from top to bottom.
00:03:33.600 So does the Constitution say the chief justice has to be seated in that role?
00:03:40.020 If we're an impeachment of the president.
00:03:43.660 So you could argue that John Roberts is actually right.
00:03:47.060 He shouldn't be here.
00:03:48.280 But by not being here, he's calling into question the proceeding at all, because there is no call for the impeachment of an ex-president, of a private citizen.
00:03:56.540 So he's either the president or he's not.
00:03:58.860 So he's not the president.
00:04:00.080 So the chief justice shouldn't come.
00:04:02.160 But then it also calls into question the whole idea of doing it.
00:04:05.380 Now, they say, oh, well, we've done this before.
00:04:08.120 Well, the country's been very divided in the past, and no one's ever been convicted.
00:04:11.980 No one's ever tried to try an ex-president because of how it would divide the country, but also because there's no provision for impeaching an ex-president.
00:04:20.500 So the other argument that I will make today is that if they're talking about inciting violence, there's a few Democrat words that we might want to evaluate.
00:04:29.740 Anyway, number one, I was there when the Bernie Sanders supporter almost killed Steve Scalise at the ball field.
00:04:35.800 He almost killed one of our coaches.
00:04:37.760 And you know what the Democrats were saying at the time?
00:04:40.280 They were saying the Republican plan for health care is you get sick and you die.
00:04:45.400 That to me sounds like an incitement.
00:04:47.260 If you're telling me that the Republicans are going to let me die, you can see how there's all these kind of glorified movies of people committing violence when their children are going to die for not having insurance.
00:04:57.340 That is an incitement to violence.
00:04:59.620 But not one Republican ever called for Bernie Sanders to be impeached because we thought that was ludicrous, and it wasn't necessarily his fault that this man reacted violently.
00:05:08.480 But they're going to have a different standard.
00:05:10.040 For the president, who said march peacefully to the Capitol, they're going to say, oh, no, that was incitement to violence, and he's responsible.
00:05:16.240 But not Bernie Sanders, not Maxine Waters, not Cory Booker, who said get up in their face.
00:05:21.380 So it's a double standard, and people are going to see it for that.
00:05:25.080 But does it matter anymore?
00:05:26.620 I mean, it seems as though the fix is in between big corporations and government.
00:05:35.020 It just seems like the fix is in.
00:05:36.940 And who cares about double standards anymore because nobody ever does anything about it?
00:05:43.000 Nothing changes.
00:05:44.880 Well, the thing is, is I'm not one who wants to give up.
00:05:48.040 You know, I know people are very frustrated.
00:05:49.820 People are like, well, you know, if all this fraud happened and nobody's going to do anything, why should I even vote?
00:05:54.400 I'm of the opposite opinion.
00:05:56.520 We control 35 state legislatures.
00:05:59.780 The Republican Party does.
00:06:01.240 We need to beat those Republicans over the head until they fix the electoral system. 0.98
00:06:05.160 I'm already calling people in the Georgia legislature and saying you'll need to fix it because 2022, the Senate race will be back up again.
00:06:12.160 And you need to fix your system where people can't vote twice, where you purge the rolls, and you need to fix it where you cannot solicit people.
00:06:21.520 You cannot use taxpayer money to send out applications to vote.
00:06:25.280 The individual should have to apply for a ballot.
00:06:28.080 MoveOn.org shouldn't be able to apply.
00:06:30.160 Neither should the NRA.
00:06:31.560 It should be the individual applying for a ballot.
00:06:33.640 If you change the rules to do that and you get back to show your ID in person, I think there's a possibility we could get back to fair elections.
00:06:42.600 And I am going to keep fighting instead of – but it can't be done in Washington.
00:06:46.180 It never could have been done in Washington.
00:06:47.760 It won't be done in Washington.
00:06:48.980 We don't control anything in Washington now.
00:06:51.240 Plus, those of us who believe in states' rights think that elections should be in the charge of the states.
00:06:57.320 But I wouldn't give up on it.
00:06:59.340 We can fight, and we should, because if they get to where we do all mail-in ballots, we'll become like Oregon and now like Colorado.
00:07:06.460 They do all mail-in ballots there.
00:07:08.460 Who knows who the hell votes in those elections?
00:07:10.820 But guess what?
00:07:11.760 Only Democrats win.
00:07:13.200 I will tell you that this is the way I feel.
00:07:15.840 I'm just frustrated in talking about the double standard and pointing out what the news is saying and what they're calling, name-calling, because it's like nothing's going to stop that.
00:07:25.620 I am with you 100% that we have got to get into our local communities and our states.
00:07:33.240 And people will say, well, we can't fix the other states.
00:07:35.680 Don't worry about the other states.
00:07:37.200 Fix yours and shore it up and do everything you can to make sure that it is buttoned up and is, metaphorically speaking, bulletproof as possible.
00:07:47.440 But the one reason I would say we have to call it the double standard is today, if I don't say anything, Republicans and Democrats will agree by unanimous consent to install a Democrat to preside over this proceeding, an illegitimate proceeding with an illegitimate Democrat overseeing it.
00:08:04.560 So I'm going to object to that and call out the double standard, and I don't think we'll win.
00:08:10.060 The Democrats will win, but I'm going to force them to vote on it.
00:08:12.920 And my hope is that I get 40 Republicans to vote with me.
00:08:15.900 And if I do, that shows they don't have the votes to impeach at that point.
00:08:20.160 And so basically the trial is over.
00:08:22.300 They can go through the manipulations.
00:08:24.140 But if 40 of us vote that this is an unconstitutional use of the impeachment power, then they're done.
00:08:29.460 They can do whatever the hell they want, but we will show them that we're going to stand strong.
00:08:33.440 But if I don't do this, our leadership will acquiesce with Schumer.
00:08:38.300 There will be no vote, and they will go through the whole trial as if this sham is actually a real impeachment.
00:08:44.700 So I'd say we do have to fight them.
00:08:46.380 And I don't know.
00:08:47.080 I'm just not willing to give up on it.
00:08:48.620 I keep fighting them every day, whether they're in my party or in the other party.
00:08:51.820 I keep fighting on in a figurative way, Glenn.
00:08:54.960 Make sure we say that that fighting is figurative.
00:08:58.160 But so I don't know.
00:08:59.780 But we're going to win some battles, and really, come 2022, you're going to find that people are going to be quite unhappy with the unemployment that Biden's going to bring them as well.
00:09:08.300 It's stunning what he is doing and the effects that it will have on the economy.
00:09:13.360 Just stunning that these things are happening.
00:09:17.580 Rand, you have an opponent in the Republican Party, Mitt Romney, who is really pushing hard for it, seemingly pushing hard for this impeachment trial.
00:09:30.960 And it really is only about making sure that Donald Trump can't ever run for office again.
00:09:37.940 Do you think you can hold 40 senators together?
00:09:42.440 Yeah, I think we do probably have 40.
00:09:45.240 There's a, you know, we have 48 total.
00:09:47.860 And I'd say there's five or six that have been leaning the other way.
00:09:51.360 But to tell you the truth, some of that five or six have been more critical of the, you know, the policy of trying to overturn the Electoral College and of the president's remarks, you know, trying to get the vice president to intercede, that kind of thing.
00:10:05.040 And maybe when push comes to shove, and they also think about self-preservation, which, you know, there are most politicians ultimately do, they may decide that, well, you know what, I don't think this is really constitutional and the best.
00:10:17.760 It gives them an out.
00:10:18.900 They can still criticize the speech.
00:10:20.740 They can criticize the policy.
00:10:22.460 But then they can say, well, do we really want to get into the point of, you know, impeaching former presidents?
00:10:28.000 My friend Thomas Massey, the congressman from Northern Kentucky, tweeted out today, he said, yeah, when we start doing it, line up, I want to do FDR.
00:10:35.800 Let me have FDR. 0.96
00:10:38.660 You know, it's just a crazy notion.
00:10:40.420 But, no, I think we can.
00:10:41.440 I think we get 40.
00:10:42.680 And if I'm lucky, maybe we get 43, maybe 45 out of the 48.
00:10:46.880 So we won't get Romney.
00:10:47.960 He's already said he thinks it's constitutional and ought to be done.
00:10:50.320 But there are a couple others that may just choose to criticize the president on the policy, but may say it's kind of crazy to impeach an ex-president.
00:10:59.640 One last topic I want to talk to you about, and that is, you know, we're hearing from everybody.
00:11:03.420 We have to deprogram these Trump people.
00:11:06.660 And they're also using language that they're domestic terrorists, et cetera.
00:11:11.460 And it appears as though, I watched the hearing for the head of the Department of Homeland Security, he said domestic terrorism is number one on his agenda.
00:11:23.760 Now, I remember the Obama years.
00:11:27.200 I don't think they're talking about the same kind of domestic terrorism that I would talk about.
00:11:32.920 This is one of the problems with the Patriot Act.
00:11:35.240 It can be so easily turned around and used on anybody.
00:11:39.840 You're exactly right.
00:11:41.700 You're exactly right.
00:11:42.400 But here's the good news, Glenn.
00:11:43.600 The good news is the camps that we will be sent to will be run by Katie Couric, and she has that beautiful smile.
00:11:51.940 You will just take your Soma, Glenn.
00:11:54.280 It won't hurt so much.
00:11:55.180 Right, right.
00:11:56.240 You take your Soma. 0.97
00:11:57.540 You'll drift off into some sort of opiate sleep, and they will reprogram you. 0.95
00:12:04.520 Okay, so it is funny, and that's the way everybody deals with it.
00:12:09.000 Is it at all a reality that this is a direction that they're seriously going in?
00:12:14.860 And I'm not talking about camps, but I'm talking about labeling people like you or me as domestic terrorists.
00:12:22.200 No, absolutely.
00:12:23.120 And I don't want to treat it just as a joke because the Patriot Act was no joke, and they used it not against terrorists.
00:12:29.580 They used it against average, ordinary Americans.
00:12:32.020 In fact, not just some average, ordinary Americans.
00:12:34.540 Everybody had a cell phone.
00:12:35.940 They collected all of our phone calls, and then James Clapper lied about it.
00:12:39.860 And so, yes, it is very dangerous to see what happens.
00:12:43.880 And it's always important to read the details of these because they say, well, if we're going after terrorists, I'm like, well, yeah.
00:12:49.440 I don't like the people who blew up the courthouse in Oklahoma.
00:12:53.720 I'm fine with them getting the death penalty.
00:12:55.380 I'm fine with them being in jail forever.
00:12:57.000 Those are bad, murderous people.
00:12:58.700 You know, that is domestic terrorism.
00:13:01.160 But if domestic terrorism is, you know, according to George Stephanopoulos, I'm sure he thinks I'm a terrorist because I refuse to accept that there was no fraud in the election.
00:13:09.880 So if it becomes an ideological test, I read something scary yesterday that there are people who want to bring back the ideas of sedition, the Alien and Sedition Acts that John Adams put forward, which basically was putting Americans, including one congressman, in jail for their speech.
00:13:25.800 Because people say you don't have a right to misinform people, but then who becomes the judge of what is misinformation, what is true information?
00:13:33.380 This is a scary world they're talking about, so I don't want to downplay it at all.
00:13:37.520 We will have to.
00:13:38.660 But the hard part, as you know, is they're going to point towards some really bad people who committed violence and say, oh, you want to let that happen?
00:13:45.620 And we'll have to be able to be good enough in our response to say, no, we're talking about speech and who's going to be the arbiter of true speech.
00:13:53.120 Yeah, I mean, if you look at the argument between many of the founders during the Sedition Act, they argued that you could, as press, they could even lie and make things up.
00:14:06.640 They had a right and the government had no place in that argument at all to try to shut them down.
00:14:14.360 I mean, they went as far in the correction of that as, I mean, almost to the point of me being kind of uncomfortable when you first hear the ideas until you actually really read them.
00:14:28.020 Freedom of speech means that, freedom of speech.
00:14:31.900 And it's a platitude, but I think it's true that people say the answer for bad speech or disinformation is more speech, not less.
00:14:39.720 But there's something profound in that statement in the sense that it's an elitist idea to believe that, you know, if you allow Nazis to speak and say hateful thing about people of other races or you allow racists to speak, that somehow there aren't enough of us to combat that.
00:14:56.820 That somehow we're weak and feeble-minded enough that those ideas will overcome us.
00:15:01.440 I don't think that's true.
00:15:02.860 In fact, I think America is more accepting and more integrated in thought and race than we've ever been, whether it's churches or marriage.
00:15:15.660 You know, half the people I know, you know, I don't know the percentages, but I know lots of people everywhere around me who are married to people of other races.
00:15:23.780 That's a commonplace thing and a good thing.
00:15:26.840 And we are a country that is not a racist country.
00:15:31.700 We are not a country that hates each other.
00:15:33.460 I just get so tired of these people saying what a terrible place America is, when in reality we are better than we have ever been in my lifetime.
00:15:41.100 And, gosh, think of the last 200 years, how much better it is to be alive now if you're a person of color or a person of a different faith or if you're a person that is somehow a minority. 0.84
00:15:50.040 Maybe you're even a person who wants to teach your kids at home.
00:15:53.020 That's actually even more acceptable for the most part.
00:15:55.700 Just a person.
00:15:56.680 Rand Paul, thank you very much.
00:15:58.260 Senator from Kentucky, Rand Paul.
00:16:00.440 We'll be looking forward to your speech today and see how the Republicans line up.
00:16:09.380 This is the best of the Glenn Beck program, and we really want to thank you for listening.
00:16:13.080 All right.
00:16:22.000 Fauci has come out on double masking, and I think this is as a public service.
00:16:28.220 We need you to hear this.
00:16:29.880 Listen.
00:16:30.440 A lot of folks are hearing now about double masking.
00:16:33.940 We're in two masks or trying to get one of those N95 medical grade masks.
00:16:39.480 Do you believe that that's it?
00:16:40.740 You know, it likely does because, I mean, this is a physical covering to prevent droplets and virus to get in.
00:16:50.960 So if you have a physical covering with one layer, you put another layer on, it just makes common sense that it likely would be more effective.
00:16:58.860 And that's the reason why you see people either double masking or doing a version of an N95.
00:17:04.980 Right.
00:17:05.320 I mean, he's somewhat just the obvious, right?
00:17:07.280 I mean, but I do think it's important that we take these steps.
00:17:10.420 I see you're wearing a mask now, right?
00:17:11.640 Well, I'm wearing a mask, but I wanted to wear two masks.
00:17:14.220 Oh, yeah.
00:17:14.480 We should probably wear two as we broadcast.
00:17:15.920 Now, what I really like about the masks that I got, I have the Hayplex Global Ear Loop Disposable Face Mask that you're going to get in most places.
00:17:25.580 Pretty nice.
00:17:25.960 But what's nice is it comes with this certificate of safety.
00:17:31.800 It's been inspected by the Communist Party of China.
00:17:35.240 Oh, good.
00:17:35.820 So that means it's safe.
00:17:36.740 It's got that red star on it.
00:17:38.220 So it's...
00:17:38.840 So, Glenn, I'm not a scientist.
00:17:40.760 I know you're a doctor.
00:17:41.560 I'm a doctor.
00:17:42.180 Can I ask you a question as a doctor?
00:17:43.960 Sure.
00:17:44.280 You're a patient or just a concerned citizen.
00:17:46.780 You're not a doctor.
00:17:47.920 So it's not a doctor to doctor conversation.
00:17:50.200 It's all dumb it down.
00:17:51.400 Yes.
00:17:51.580 Yeah, I've done my answer.
00:17:52.300 So Dr. Fauci said two masks would improve things.
00:17:56.540 Sure, sure.
00:17:57.140 I mean, I just got to ask, wouldn't three improve it more?
00:18:01.040 Well, I mean, the science is pretty clear.
00:18:04.800 Four would even be better.
00:18:07.640 And let me just put on now I got four masks on and it's really...
00:18:11.680 It's three...
00:18:12.700 Four is really good.
00:18:13.680 Four is the right number?
00:18:14.540 Oh, no, no, no, no.
00:18:15.480 No, not the right number.
00:18:16.660 You just asked if it was better.
00:18:17.940 Oh, right, right.
00:18:18.620 So four is good.
00:18:19.720 Like it would be five?
00:18:20.440 Yeah, I would say...
00:18:21.820 I would say ten.
00:18:24.020 Ten.
00:18:24.360 We have four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten.
00:18:29.960 I think ten...
00:18:31.960 Ten at a time.
00:18:32.680 Ten masks are even better.
00:18:35.240 Now, I am wearing ten masks and my ears are collapsed.
00:18:39.660 There we go.
00:18:40.080 Okay, so now you can see it's not comfortable on the ears.
00:18:44.840 But I am perfectly safe from any kind of spittle, spittle, or anything like that.
00:18:55.180 Now, you have ten on?
00:18:57.060 Okay.
00:18:57.580 Oh, yeah.
00:18:57.940 It's very hard to get on your ears.
00:18:59.440 You have to have big dumbo ears.
00:19:01.640 They don't support...
00:19:03.020 I have structural failings going on with my ears at ten masks.
00:19:07.700 May I suggest, if you have a neighbor or a friend with a nail gun, you just put a couple
00:19:14.980 of nails right behind your ears. 1.00
00:19:17.960 Not all the way in.
00:19:19.200 That would be madness.
00:19:20.520 But you can't get them.
00:19:22.040 I can't get...
00:19:22.760 You shouldn't leave your house.
00:19:24.300 If you can't get ten on your face, you shouldn't leave your house.
00:19:26.800 Can I go with just my hands on the side of my head like this?
00:19:29.800 Well, it's not quite as good, but I guess you could.
00:19:32.580 Now, I'm putting on an extra.
00:19:34.540 I'm putting on eleven.
00:19:38.680 Eleven masks, which I think is even better.
00:19:42.760 Of course, much better than two.
00:19:45.020 Is eleven masks that much better than ten masks?
00:19:48.720 Well, no.
00:19:49.620 No, no, no.
00:19:50.120 I mean, it is.
00:19:50.840 Yeah.
00:19:51.080 I mean, obviously, it is better if you can put that on.
00:19:53.680 But ten is really the place where your ears start to collapse because you're...
00:20:01.920 Now, you're not a doctor.
00:20:03.260 I am.
00:20:04.760 But...
00:20:05.080 What's the...
00:20:05.900 There's no actual bone in your ear.
00:20:08.320 Dr. Beck, what is the sweet spot for the number of masks?
00:20:11.320 Well, if I could, I would like to recommend...
00:20:14.620 I have 25 masks here.
00:20:17.020 25 masks?
00:20:18.160 I have 25 masks.
00:20:19.380 And if you just put 25 masks over your face...
00:20:24.700 But, like, my nose is breaking.
00:20:26.960 It hurts.
00:20:27.680 My nose is...
00:20:28.960 My nose is broken a long time ago.
00:20:32.900 Okay.
00:20:33.500 So, you know, it doesn't...
00:20:36.120 Mine's kind of mushy as it is.
00:20:38.520 I can't...
00:20:39.700 I'm having problems breathing through the 25.
00:20:42.380 Yes.
00:20:42.920 Well, that is a problem.
00:20:44.380 You could suffocate from the 25 masks, okay?
00:20:49.600 But I would tell you that if you do suffocate from the 25 masks...
00:20:57.380 I just gotta take a second to breathe here.
00:21:00.540 You seem to be fading...
00:21:02.700 You, as a doctor, write down that you did die of COVID.
00:21:09.200 Because you suffocate...
00:21:10.420 Well, I guess you wouldn't be...
00:21:11.440 You wouldn't be wearing the 25 masks if it wasn't for COVID.
00:21:14.720 Now, see...
00:21:15.220 So, technically, it is a COVID death.
00:21:16.880 Here's the difference.
00:21:18.180 Steve has his mask on his hands that he is trying to just hold on to his face.
00:21:27.000 I have them on my ears, and that's why I am perfectly safe from any droplets that might
00:21:36.420 come my way from Stu, even though Stu has had COVID, and I have had COVID.
00:21:43.100 I have to...
00:21:43.680 I hate to bring this up, but your eyes are not protected at all right now.
00:21:48.340 I can see your eyes.
00:21:49.880 Well...
00:21:50.360 I think it might be smart to take half the masks...
00:21:53.000 And take half the masks and put those over your eyes, like so.
00:21:59.200 Well, see, this is why you're not a doctor, okay?
00:22:02.700 I think I'm still getting the protection of 12 or 13 masks on my mouth.
00:22:06.440 Well, that's not 25.
00:22:07.160 And then another 11 on my eyes.
00:22:09.320 It's not 25, is it?
00:22:09.860 What?
00:22:10.060 It's not 25, is it?
00:22:12.160 I can't...
00:22:12.940 I can't see you.
00:22:14.200 Well, I'm not...
00:22:15.200 I'm not giving sign language.
00:22:17.580 I'm talking to you very clearly.
00:22:20.120 But I can't understand you because of all the masks.
00:22:22.520 Well, for those of you who are doctors, let me just say that I am a doctor of humanities,
00:22:32.380 which, you know, allows me to create or treat any human condition.
00:22:39.040 I don't think that's true.
00:22:40.480 And let me just say that I believe the recommended number of masks on your face is 25.
00:22:51.980 That would be the safest.
00:22:54.940 And then I think you could...
00:22:57.480 I think I might pass out.
00:22:59.940 You do look like you're about to pass out.
00:23:01.480 The things we do for you every day.
00:23:13.760 Every day we come in and we put our own bodies at risk for you for science, man.
00:23:22.620 Are we going to get an award for that?
00:23:24.340 No.
00:23:25.480 Science Magazine going to write that up?
00:23:27.320 No.
00:23:28.360 They might.
00:23:31.640 Might not be so flattering, but they might.
00:23:34.180 Would not say it's impossible.
00:23:36.480 I don't know.
00:23:37.080 I just feel like we need to know what the correct number of masks are.
00:23:40.740 Because, I mean, obviously two is better than one to protect you.
00:23:44.380 Three would be better than two.
00:23:46.120 Four would be better than three.
00:23:47.820 What is the...
00:23:48.700 Is there any point that we stop this process?
00:23:52.020 Only what your ears can hold.
00:23:54.480 Your ears can...
00:23:55.060 My ears can only hold about eight or nine masks.
00:23:57.400 Mine held 11.
00:23:59.360 11 seemed to be the breaking point.
00:24:01.120 Then I had to actually hold them onto my ears.
00:24:03.760 Because I feel like if you...
00:24:04.740 The best thing...
00:24:05.220 What you need to do is basically come up with a band that goes behind the head.
00:24:08.520 Because they have some of those...
00:24:09.420 Like the N95 masks that I have have the strap that goes behind the head.
00:24:14.080 And it has two straps.
00:24:15.160 So what are we doing?
00:24:16.320 Why...
00:24:16.960 Can we...
00:24:18.160 I mean, look.
00:24:19.500 This is such a...
00:24:20.900 I apologize.
00:24:22.120 Look.
00:24:22.360 Why?
00:24:22.700 I'm in the Radio Hall of Fame.
00:24:24.520 But my staff isn't.
00:24:25.800 No.
00:24:26.140 Okay?
00:24:26.500 They didn't...
00:24:27.380 They brought these stupid masks.
00:24:29.540 Tomorrow, can we do this right, please?
00:24:31.160 I would like the masks that go all the way around your head.
00:24:35.140 And I would like to see if we can get 100 on.
00:24:38.340 Because that would be safe.
00:24:39.460 That would be better than 99 or 98.
00:24:41.600 It would be 100 times better.
00:24:43.780 Each one is...
00:24:44.520 Wow, really?
00:24:45.260 I didn't know that's how it worked.
00:24:46.320 It's just a linear process.
00:24:48.900 That's exactly how it works.
00:24:50.820 A hundred times better.
00:24:52.820 Wow, you are a doctor.
00:24:54.060 Well, I'm a scientist more than a doctor.
00:24:57.140 Okay.
00:24:57.460 You know, which requires all kinds of math.
00:25:00.780 So again, so you think...
00:25:03.160 You want the masks that go behind the head.
00:25:05.540 And are N95 masks?
00:25:06.900 Or are you okay with surgicals?
00:25:09.700 Well, I think surgicals would be okay and N95.
00:25:12.780 If you could get 195s, you'd be 100% better.
00:25:22.340 No, that's the way it works.
00:25:24.340 No, it works.
00:25:25.440 But here...
00:25:26.160 Good God, man.
00:25:27.020 It will bankrupt the company.
00:25:28.200 Do not talk to me.
00:25:28.240 Do not talk to me.
00:25:28.760 It's like talking...
00:25:30.540 It is like...
00:25:31.260 Seriously.
00:25:32.360 It's like talking to an ant when I'm talking to you about science and...
00:25:37.180 I feel like if we try to put 100 of these things on our head, we're going to have like cone heads afterward.
00:25:41.060 It's going to...
00:25:41.600 Well...
00:25:42.300 It's going to squeeze the skull.
00:25:43.920 If you're not willing to sacrifice for this...
00:25:45.700 You left your eyes totally unprotected during that experiment.
00:25:48.940 Who knows what entered your eyes or your ear holes.
00:25:53.480 Your ear holes must be protected too, you know.
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00:27:06.040 We have Mark Meckler on with us.
00:27:08.360 Mark is the founder and president of the Convention of States project, which is something that really hasn't been talked about in the last four years.
00:27:16.460 I think a lot of people thought, oh, well, Donald Trump is in office and so it's going to be fixed.
00:27:20.640 No, this is not going to be fixed by anybody.
00:27:25.400 This has got to be fixed by us as individuals as close to home as possible.
00:27:32.420 Certainly not in Washington.
00:27:34.900 Mark, welcome back to the program.
00:27:36.520 How are you?
00:27:37.660 I'm good.
00:27:38.260 It's great to be with you, Glenn.
00:27:39.180 So, you know, the problems are getting bigger and bigger since we last talked.
00:27:44.620 The numbers of the states, we need 34 states to call a convention, 38 to ratify any amendments that would be proposed.
00:27:53.440 What are our numbers look like for those states that actually want to make some changes?
00:28:01.260 Yeah, it's changed a lot since we last spoke, since I was there with you.
00:28:04.980 I think we're at six states at that point now, 15 states out of the 34 are on board.
00:28:09.880 This year we have 21 states considering.
00:28:12.120 I think we're going to look at adding between six and 10 states this year, so we'll be well past the halfway mark.
00:28:18.000 So you said you had 16, so you'll be at 26 and you need 34.
00:28:23.880 Is that feasible here in the next year?
00:28:27.320 Do you think 34 could be feasible?
00:28:30.100 I would say in the next two years, you have to get enough of the legislatures that are considering it.
00:28:33.940 And so, you know, like my real goal right now to get to 34 is by 2024, and I say that because we have 31 legislatures that currently have both houses controlled by Republicans.
00:28:46.940 The Republican legislature is, of course, much more likely to want to take power away from Washington, D.C.
00:28:52.440 We have Minnesota that's a split house, so we just have to flip one house. 0.59
00:28:55.620 I think we can do that.
00:28:56.500 I think Virginia is going to flip this year, and our activists are engaged in flipping these state houses all over the country.
00:29:01.880 So what about the states that are controlled right now by Republicans?
00:29:06.660 What's holding them back?
00:29:09.020 Well, unfortunately, the number one thing holding them back is what I would describe, sadly, as the fringe right.
00:29:15.460 And what you have is you have folks from an organization, might recognize the name from way back when, called the John Burke Society.
00:29:22.040 And they come into these legislatures, and they try to scare the legislators in fear cells.
00:29:26.340 And what they say is, we're going to have a runaway convention, and we're going to lose our Constitution.
00:29:31.300 And my response to that is, are you watching what's going on in Washington, D.C.?
00:29:36.020 Do you think you're living under the original Constitution?
00:29:38.800 Right.
00:29:39.140 I fear what's going on in Washington, D.C. right now, and the Marxists, who've actually taken control far more than I fear anything that the citizens could do.
00:29:46.120 You know, and I fear that it's not the Marxists that are taking control.
00:29:51.320 I think the Marxists are the hand that we are supposed to watch and are the enforcing hand.
00:29:58.280 And I think we have the government colluding with giant corporations now, and we're living in an oligarchy.
00:30:07.860 But maybe that's...
00:30:08.800 No, I'm in absolute agreement, Glenn.
00:30:10.360 I think we're seeing something unusual, which is we have absolute cooperation based on philosophical alignment between an oligarchy and people who believe in Marxism in government.
00:30:21.200 Right.
00:30:21.480 So it's an unusual situation to see that voluntary cooperation.
00:30:24.580 Yeah, and it doesn't make sense if you understand how business works.
00:30:29.140 It just doesn't make sense, unless you understand it's an oligarchy that is up at the top.
00:30:37.520 So what are the states that are close that our listeners could get involved with to try to pressure the states?
00:30:45.300 I would say the states that are immediately in the docks are West Virginia is hot, North Carolina is hot, South Carolina is hot right now.
00:30:54.580 Idaho, just in the last few weeks, I've been in Idaho, Montana, and Wisconsin, all of those states looking very strong.
00:31:02.580 And the reality is wherever they are, even in the states that have passed, for example, in my home state of Texas, the grassroots are still very active.
00:31:09.020 They're active in helping other states.
00:31:10.620 They're active in maintaining the resolutions in their own states.
00:31:13.240 And they're active in other issues.
00:31:14.940 Like right now, our grassroots across the country, all five million of them are active in ballot integrity and election reform.
00:31:22.080 So, Mark, answer the question seriously, because it is something that I heard a lot and concerned me a great deal until I talked to you.
00:31:31.680 Answer the question about a runaway convention where we lose our rights and we lose our bill of rights.
00:31:39.340 Sure, there's a couple answers.
00:31:41.740 I'm going to start with the end answer and the simplest one, which is a convention is only a suggesting meeting.
00:31:47.120 In other words, people are going to come out of there with suggestions and they're going to send those suggestions out to the states for ratification.
00:31:52.600 It takes 38 states to ratify.
00:31:54.840 That's the highest bar in the entire system of American governance.
00:31:58.440 Very difficult to reach.
00:31:59.620 And that means only 13 states can stop anything.
00:32:01.820 So I'm going to posit the one that I hear most often, Glenn, which is we're going to lose our Second Amendment.
00:32:05.880 It takes only 13 states to not ratify.
00:32:09.640 Not ratifying means they simply don't take it up.
00:32:12.420 I can tell you in 24 states in the United States of America, you can carry a handgun into the capitals.
00:32:17.200 I do all the time.
00:32:18.200 I'm armed everywhere I can be.
00:32:20.060 In 15 states, you can actually sling an AR across your back and sit in the gallery.
00:32:23.380 Not something that I do.
00:32:24.740 But the idea that those states are somehow going to ratify the repeal of the Second Amendment, it's absurd and ridiculous.
00:32:30.420 And I'll make the same offer to your listeners I always make.
00:32:32.840 My personal email, mmeckler at cosaction.com.
00:32:36.580 If you believe in the runaway convention myth, send me the amendment you believe would be ratified by 38 states in the list of 38 states.
00:32:43.620 I've made that offer to millions of people.
00:32:45.200 I've never received an email.
00:32:48.300 You talk about a fork in a road that we're at.
00:32:52.640 And I think you're absolutely right.
00:32:56.060 You say the first turn is the country comes apart, secession, civil war, violence, because we can't physically divide.
00:33:10.340 As much as I wish we could just say, hey, California, live the way you want to live.
00:33:14.580 But that's really the second one, which is we go back to the way we were, where states have great powers to do whatever they want and they can live whatever they want.
00:33:26.780 But I'm not I don't have to pay for California's mistakes and I don't have to live that way in Texas.
00:33:32.660 We can just divide by, you know, almost natural selection, if you will.
00:33:39.160 People just congregate with like minded people.
00:33:42.480 But I don't think that's going to happen either.
00:33:45.660 You say, look, I think we're at a fork in the road, as you described.
00:33:48.980 I call it the great decoupling.
00:33:50.560 It's taking place in America.
00:33:51.620 And I think it's inevitable.
00:33:52.740 It's unstoppable.
00:33:53.840 You know, culturally, we're dividing.
00:33:55.840 Politically, we're dividing.
00:33:57.400 We're dividing commercially.
00:33:58.640 We're starting to do business with different firms and different ways of doing business.
00:34:02.900 I think that's going to continue.
00:34:04.240 And I don't think it's bad.
00:34:05.720 One way you said that we decouple is recession.
00:34:08.240 I don't see how that happens without violence and destruction and the loss of our place in the world.
00:34:13.080 In 1787, the founders are facing a dangerous world, not just Great Britain, but France and Spain, potential worldwide enemies that would have loved to have taken over the colonies.
00:34:23.040 They understood that they needed to unite.
00:34:24.760 They actually didn't like each other.
00:34:26.320 And this is something that we mistake when we look back at the colonies.
00:34:29.200 We think they were so united.
00:34:30.760 They united against a greater common foe, but they didn't trust each other.
00:34:34.240 There was sectarian Christianity was one of the main things that divided them, trade, diverse loyalties.
00:34:40.020 We've never actually really been unified in the way people think as a country.
00:34:44.800 The South is different than the North. 0.72
00:34:46.620 The East is different than the West. 0.85
00:34:47.960 There's actually a lot of disdain out there between the parts of the country.
00:34:52.000 It's okay.
00:34:52.660 In fact, our founding form of government came out of that federalism is a government designed for people who don't like each other that much, don't really get along, but know that they have to be united around a certain set of things.
00:35:05.000 Otherwise, they're going to be too weak in the world.
00:35:07.180 So that's the beginning, and we need to go back to the beginning, and the tool that takes us back there is the Convention of States.
00:35:13.440 We take the power away from the federal government.
00:35:15.720 We give it back to the people in the states.
00:35:17.560 We let California be California and Texas be Texas.
00:35:20.640 So what are the one thing that the states that are joining, what is it they're looking to change?
00:35:27.000 Is there a common thread that all of them are saying, yeah, we really think we should propose this?
00:35:34.140 There are three common threads, and this is what the convention is designed to address.
00:35:37.960 One is anything that would put the government's fiscal house in order, that would limit the fiscal power of Washington, D.C.
00:35:44.800 So that would include things that people would be most familiar with, like a balanced budget amendment being imposed.
00:35:49.860 Most of the states have them.
00:35:51.420 They're not all healthy because of them, but they do better because of them.
00:35:54.300 It would be also things like spending and taxation limitations could be imposed under that.
00:35:59.200 The second is term limits.
00:36:01.000 Both of these are 85 percent issues.
00:36:03.100 Eighty-five percent of the American public, regardless of party, are in favor of term limits.
00:36:06.840 And I would argue not just for Congress, Glenn, but also for the judiciary, also for staffers and bureaucrats.
00:36:12.520 This is how we clean out the deep state.
00:36:14.680 And then the last thing is anything that would limit the scope and the power or the jurisdiction of the federal government.
00:36:19.540 A lot of our problems came out of the reinterpretation of the Commerce Clause.
00:36:23.160 There's no authority in the Constitution for the Department of Education, Energy, the EPA, the USDA, the FDA.
00:36:30.500 All these agencies come from Supreme Court, quote-unquote, interpretations that gave this power to the federal government.
00:36:36.820 And the founders told us themselves, if the Supreme Court's out of control, hold a convention, propose amendments, and restrain the Supreme Court and overturn those things.
00:36:45.060 So those are the things that we're finding that the states have wide agreement about.
00:36:49.040 You know, I've been pushing for almost a sanctuary state kind of attitude until we get to a convention of states,
00:36:59.500 to where the states that are in conservative hands and want to conserve the Bill of Rights,
00:37:08.100 any time the federal government is doing something that it doesn't have the right to do,
00:37:13.680 we're a sanctuary state for the Bill of Rights.
00:37:16.800 We're not going to do that.
00:37:18.700 We're just not.
00:37:19.420 But that's going to cost these states an awful lot of money.
00:37:24.900 If they decide to not participate, you're going to see banking, big business, and the federal government attack these states
00:37:35.980 and try to just put them out of business and make it economically really painful for them.
00:37:42.940 Do the states even have a chance to stand against what we have going on now?
00:37:51.640 I think they do.
00:37:52.740 And by the way, I'm in favor of that.
00:37:54.220 I've talked to our mutual friend Daniel Horowitz a lot about this.
00:37:56.860 Our grassroots are in favor of that.
00:37:59.080 It's not an easy road.
00:38:00.860 We've never had an easy road to hoe, those of us who love and fight for freedom.
00:38:05.520 It is doable.
00:38:06.680 I think there's a commercial aspect to it.
00:38:08.640 You've discussed the oligarchy and the government and their alignment.
00:38:11.780 Part of this is an oligarchical problem.
00:38:14.960 And what I mean by that is we are beholden now, you and I, and all conservatives, to commercial interests that don't like us,
00:38:21.280 that want to shut us down.
00:38:22.160 We've seen this, obviously, with Parler and others being scraped from the web.
00:38:26.020 And so I'm in the process of building something called the stack.
00:38:29.780 We need, as conservatives, everything that we need to operate in a digital world from the cloud to the ground,
00:38:36.680 and everything in between, that would include conservative banks, conservative web hosting, conservative email services.
00:38:43.020 If we don't have that, ultimately all of us will be controlled and erased from the digital world.
00:38:48.780 This is fantastic.
00:38:51.160 Tell me you have some big backers on this.
00:38:55.200 I do.
00:38:55.580 There are billionaires across the country that are very interested in this.
00:39:00.500 And we are in early stage planning because this has really been motivated.
00:39:03.620 I've been saying this for years, but it's really been motivated by what happened to Parler.
00:39:07.380 And so I'm talking to the folks behind Parler and a lot of other people, big money folks,
00:39:11.700 and technologists on the right who want to make this happen, who believe it has to happen.
00:39:16.680 We're currently working on the email services provider, the customer resource management,
00:39:22.200 what's commonly called CRM.
00:39:24.280 We're working on banking right now.
00:39:25.960 I have a bank arranged.
00:39:27.480 We're working on merchant account providers so people can take credit cards.
00:39:30.280 All of it is in the works currently.
00:39:32.040 Good.
00:39:32.500 We must have that.
00:39:34.260 I'm very concerned about the banks, and I think that's going to start happening soon.
00:39:39.100 Mark, keep us up to speed on both of these things, will you?
00:39:42.180 Absolutely.
00:39:42.780 It's my pleasure.
00:39:43.520 Thank you.
00:39:44.520 That's Mark Meckler.
00:39:46.020 He is with the Convention of States, and you can follow him and contact him, conventionofstates.com.
00:39:54.620 Follow him on Twitter at Mark Meckler.