00:02:02.180If someone's committed a crime and they're no longer the president, the Department of Justice has to accuse them of a crime, and you go to a court.
00:02:09.240But this is only for impeaching somebody.
00:02:11.580And the Constitution says when you impeach, and later on you can disqualify.
00:02:50.600I guarantee they had a private conversation.
00:02:53.280I guarantee Schumer called him up, begging him to come over.
00:02:55.960And he said, well, the Constitution says I preside over an impeachment of the president.
00:03:00.980And he's not the president because the Democrats realize this is going to lessen the legitimacy or call into question the legitimacy of the proceeding.
00:03:09.480But I guarantee that if they had a conversation, people should be.
00:03:12.880If reporters were worth anything, they would be pounding Schumer every day saying, did you talk to John Roberts?
00:03:19.500Because John Roberts' opinion here is very important.
00:03:21.900It goes to the very nature and legitimacy of this thing.
00:03:26.020And with John Roberts not showing up, the chief justice not being here, I really think that this is an illegitimate process from top to bottom.
00:03:33.600So does the Constitution say the chief justice has to be seated in that role?
00:03:40.020If we're an impeachment of the president.
00:03:43.660So you could argue that John Roberts is actually right.
00:03:48.280But by not being here, he's calling into question the proceeding at all, because there is no call for the impeachment of an ex-president, of a private citizen.
00:03:56.540So he's either the president or he's not.
00:04:02.160But then it also calls into question the whole idea of doing it.
00:04:05.380Now, they say, oh, well, we've done this before.
00:04:08.120Well, the country's been very divided in the past, and no one's ever been convicted.
00:04:11.980No one's ever tried to try an ex-president because of how it would divide the country, but also because there's no provision for impeaching an ex-president.
00:04:20.500So the other argument that I will make today is that if they're talking about inciting violence, there's a few Democrat words that we might want to evaluate.
00:04:29.740Anyway, number one, I was there when the Bernie Sanders supporter almost killed Steve Scalise at the ball field.
00:04:47.260If you're telling me that the Republicans are going to let me die, you can see how there's all these kind of glorified movies of people committing violence when their children are going to die for not having insurance.
00:04:59.620But not one Republican ever called for Bernie Sanders to be impeached because we thought that was ludicrous, and it wasn't necessarily his fault that this man reacted violently.
00:05:08.480But they're going to have a different standard.
00:05:10.040For the president, who said march peacefully to the Capitol, they're going to say, oh, no, that was incitement to violence, and he's responsible.
00:05:16.240But not Bernie Sanders, not Maxine Waters, not Cory Booker, who said get up in their face.
00:05:21.380So it's a double standard, and people are going to see it for that.
00:06:01.240We need to beat those Republicans over the head until they fix the electoral system.
00:06:05.160I'm already calling people in the Georgia legislature and saying you'll need to fix it because 2022, the Senate race will be back up again.
00:06:12.160And you need to fix your system where people can't vote twice, where you purge the rolls, and you need to fix it where you cannot solicit people.
00:06:21.520You cannot use taxpayer money to send out applications to vote.
00:06:25.280The individual should have to apply for a ballot.
00:06:28.080MoveOn.org shouldn't be able to apply.
00:06:31.560It should be the individual applying for a ballot.
00:06:33.640If you change the rules to do that and you get back to show your ID in person, I think there's a possibility we could get back to fair elections.
00:06:42.600And I am going to keep fighting instead of – but it can't be done in Washington.
00:06:46.180It never could have been done in Washington.
00:07:13.200I will tell you that this is the way I feel.
00:07:15.840I'm just frustrated in talking about the double standard and pointing out what the news is saying and what they're calling, name-calling, because it's like nothing's going to stop that.
00:07:25.620I am with you 100% that we have got to get into our local communities and our states.
00:07:33.240And people will say, well, we can't fix the other states.
00:07:37.200Fix yours and shore it up and do everything you can to make sure that it is buttoned up and is, metaphorically speaking, bulletproof as possible.
00:07:47.440But the one reason I would say we have to call it the double standard is today, if I don't say anything, Republicans and Democrats will agree by unanimous consent to install a Democrat to preside over this proceeding, an illegitimate proceeding with an illegitimate Democrat overseeing it.
00:08:04.560So I'm going to object to that and call out the double standard, and I don't think we'll win.
00:08:10.060The Democrats will win, but I'm going to force them to vote on it.
00:08:12.920And my hope is that I get 40 Republicans to vote with me.
00:08:15.900And if I do, that shows they don't have the votes to impeach at that point.
00:08:59.780But we're going to win some battles, and really, come 2022, you're going to find that people are going to be quite unhappy with the unemployment that Biden's going to bring them as well.
00:09:08.300It's stunning what he is doing and the effects that it will have on the economy.
00:09:13.360Just stunning that these things are happening.
00:09:17.580Rand, you have an opponent in the Republican Party, Mitt Romney, who is really pushing hard for it, seemingly pushing hard for this impeachment trial.
00:09:30.960And it really is only about making sure that Donald Trump can't ever run for office again.
00:09:37.940Do you think you can hold 40 senators together?
00:09:45.240There's a, you know, we have 48 total.
00:09:47.860And I'd say there's five or six that have been leaning the other way.
00:09:51.360But to tell you the truth, some of that five or six have been more critical of the, you know, the policy of trying to overturn the Electoral College and of the president's remarks, you know, trying to get the vice president to intercede, that kind of thing.
00:10:05.040And maybe when push comes to shove, and they also think about self-preservation, which, you know, there are most politicians ultimately do, they may decide that, well, you know what, I don't think this is really constitutional and the best.
00:10:22.460But then they can say, well, do we really want to get into the point of, you know, impeaching former presidents?
00:10:28.000My friend Thomas Massey, the congressman from Northern Kentucky, tweeted out today, he said, yeah, when we start doing it, line up, I want to do FDR.
00:10:47.960He's already said he thinks it's constitutional and ought to be done.
00:10:50.320But there are a couple others that may just choose to criticize the president on the policy, but may say it's kind of crazy to impeach an ex-president.
00:10:59.640One last topic I want to talk to you about, and that is, you know, we're hearing from everybody.
00:11:03.420We have to deprogram these Trump people.
00:11:06.660And they're also using language that they're domestic terrorists, et cetera.
00:11:11.460And it appears as though, I watched the hearing for the head of the Department of Homeland Security, he said domestic terrorism is number one on his agenda.
00:13:01.160But if domestic terrorism is, you know, according to George Stephanopoulos, I'm sure he thinks I'm a terrorist because I refuse to accept that there was no fraud in the election.
00:13:09.880So if it becomes an ideological test, I read something scary yesterday that there are people who want to bring back the ideas of sedition, the Alien and Sedition Acts that John Adams put forward, which basically was putting Americans, including one congressman, in jail for their speech.
00:13:25.800Because people say you don't have a right to misinform people, but then who becomes the judge of what is misinformation, what is true information?
00:13:33.380This is a scary world they're talking about, so I don't want to downplay it at all.
00:13:38.660But the hard part, as you know, is they're going to point towards some really bad people who committed violence and say, oh, you want to let that happen?
00:13:45.620And we'll have to be able to be good enough in our response to say, no, we're talking about speech and who's going to be the arbiter of true speech.
00:13:53.120Yeah, I mean, if you look at the argument between many of the founders during the Sedition Act, they argued that you could, as press, they could even lie and make things up.
00:14:06.640They had a right and the government had no place in that argument at all to try to shut them down.
00:14:14.360I mean, they went as far in the correction of that as, I mean, almost to the point of me being kind of uncomfortable when you first hear the ideas until you actually really read them.
00:14:28.020Freedom of speech means that, freedom of speech.
00:14:31.900And it's a platitude, but I think it's true that people say the answer for bad speech or disinformation is more speech, not less.
00:14:39.720But there's something profound in that statement in the sense that it's an elitist idea to believe that, you know, if you allow Nazis to speak and say hateful thing about people of other races or you allow racists to speak, that somehow there aren't enough of us to combat that.
00:14:56.820That somehow we're weak and feeble-minded enough that those ideas will overcome us.
00:15:02.860In fact, I think America is more accepting and more integrated in thought and race than we've ever been, whether it's churches or marriage.
00:15:15.660You know, half the people I know, you know, I don't know the percentages, but I know lots of people everywhere around me who are married to people of other races.
00:15:23.780That's a commonplace thing and a good thing.
00:15:26.840And we are a country that is not a racist country.
00:15:31.700We are not a country that hates each other.
00:15:33.460I just get so tired of these people saying what a terrible place America is, when in reality we are better than we have ever been in my lifetime.
00:15:41.100And, gosh, think of the last 200 years, how much better it is to be alive now if you're a person of color or a person of a different faith or if you're a person that is somehow a minority.
00:15:50.040Maybe you're even a person who wants to teach your kids at home.
00:15:53.020That's actually even more acceptable for the most part.
00:16:40.740You know, it likely does because, I mean, this is a physical covering to prevent droplets and virus to get in.
00:16:50.960So if you have a physical covering with one layer, you put another layer on, it just makes common sense that it likely would be more effective.
00:16:58.860And that's the reason why you see people either double masking or doing a version of an N95.
00:17:14.480We should probably wear two as we broadcast.
00:17:15.920Now, what I really like about the masks that I got, I have the Hayplex Global Ear Loop Disposable Face Mask that you're going to get in most places.
00:27:08.360Mark is the founder and president of the Convention of States project, which is something that really hasn't been talked about in the last four years.
00:27:16.460I think a lot of people thought, oh, well, Donald Trump is in office and so it's going to be fixed.
00:27:20.640No, this is not going to be fixed by anybody.
00:27:25.400This has got to be fixed by us as individuals as close to home as possible.
00:28:30.100I would say in the next two years, you have to get enough of the legislatures that are considering it.
00:28:33.940And so, you know, like my real goal right now to get to 34 is by 2024, and I say that because we have 31 legislatures that currently have both houses controlled by Republicans.
00:28:46.940The Republican legislature is, of course, much more likely to want to take power away from Washington, D.C.
00:28:52.440We have Minnesota that's a split house, so we just have to flip one house.
00:29:39.140I fear what's going on in Washington, D.C. right now, and the Marxists, who've actually taken control far more than I fear anything that the citizens could do.
00:29:46.120You know, and I fear that it's not the Marxists that are taking control.
00:29:51.320I think the Marxists are the hand that we are supposed to watch and are the enforcing hand.
00:29:58.280And I think we have the government colluding with giant corporations now, and we're living in an oligarchy.
00:30:10.360I think we're seeing something unusual, which is we have absolute cooperation based on philosophical alignment between an oligarchy and people who believe in Marxism in government.
00:30:21.480So it's an unusual situation to see that voluntary cooperation.
00:30:24.580Yeah, and it doesn't make sense if you understand how business works.
00:30:29.140It just doesn't make sense, unless you understand it's an oligarchy that is up at the top.
00:30:37.520So what are the states that are close that our listeners could get involved with to try to pressure the states?
00:30:45.300I would say the states that are immediately in the docks are West Virginia is hot, North Carolina is hot, South Carolina is hot right now.
00:30:54.580Idaho, just in the last few weeks, I've been in Idaho, Montana, and Wisconsin, all of those states looking very strong.
00:31:02.580And the reality is wherever they are, even in the states that have passed, for example, in my home state of Texas, the grassroots are still very active.
00:31:09.020They're active in helping other states.
00:31:10.620They're active in maintaining the resolutions in their own states.
00:31:41.740I'm going to start with the end answer and the simplest one, which is a convention is only a suggesting meeting.
00:31:47.120In other words, people are going to come out of there with suggestions and they're going to send those suggestions out to the states for ratification.
00:32:56.060You say the first turn is the country comes apart, secession, civil war, violence, because we can't physically divide.
00:33:10.340As much as I wish we could just say, hey, California, live the way you want to live.
00:33:14.580But that's really the second one, which is we go back to the way we were, where states have great powers to do whatever they want and they can live whatever they want.
00:33:26.780But I'm not I don't have to pay for California's mistakes and I don't have to live that way in Texas.
00:33:32.660We can just divide by, you know, almost natural selection, if you will.
00:33:39.160People just congregate with like minded people.
00:33:42.480But I don't think that's going to happen either.
00:33:45.660You say, look, I think we're at a fork in the road, as you described.
00:34:05.720One way you said that we decouple is recession.
00:34:08.240I don't see how that happens without violence and destruction and the loss of our place in the world.
00:34:13.080In 1787, the founders are facing a dangerous world, not just Great Britain, but France and Spain, potential worldwide enemies that would have loved to have taken over the colonies.
00:34:23.040They understood that they needed to unite.
00:34:52.660In fact, our founding form of government came out of that federalism is a government designed for people who don't like each other that much, don't really get along, but know that they have to be united around a certain set of things.
00:35:05.000Otherwise, they're going to be too weak in the world.
00:35:07.180So that's the beginning, and we need to go back to the beginning, and the tool that takes us back there is the Convention of States.
00:35:13.440We take the power away from the federal government.
00:35:15.720We give it back to the people in the states.
00:35:17.560We let California be California and Texas be Texas.
00:35:20.640So what are the one thing that the states that are joining, what is it they're looking to change?
00:35:27.000Is there a common thread that all of them are saying, yeah, we really think we should propose this?
00:35:34.140There are three common threads, and this is what the convention is designed to address.
00:35:37.960One is anything that would put the government's fiscal house in order, that would limit the fiscal power of Washington, D.C.
00:35:44.800So that would include things that people would be most familiar with, like a balanced budget amendment being imposed.
00:36:03.100Eighty-five percent of the American public, regardless of party, are in favor of term limits.
00:36:06.840And I would argue not just for Congress, Glenn, but also for the judiciary, also for staffers and bureaucrats.
00:36:12.520This is how we clean out the deep state.
00:36:14.680And then the last thing is anything that would limit the scope and the power or the jurisdiction of the federal government.
00:36:19.540A lot of our problems came out of the reinterpretation of the Commerce Clause.
00:36:23.160There's no authority in the Constitution for the Department of Education, Energy, the EPA, the USDA, the FDA.
00:36:30.500All these agencies come from Supreme Court, quote-unquote, interpretations that gave this power to the federal government.
00:36:36.820And the founders told us themselves, if the Supreme Court's out of control, hold a convention, propose amendments, and restrain the Supreme Court and overturn those things.
00:36:45.060So those are the things that we're finding that the states have wide agreement about.
00:36:49.040You know, I've been pushing for almost a sanctuary state kind of attitude until we get to a convention of states,
00:36:59.500to where the states that are in conservative hands and want to conserve the Bill of Rights,
00:37:08.100any time the federal government is doing something that it doesn't have the right to do,
00:37:13.680we're a sanctuary state for the Bill of Rights.