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00:00:00.000 Hey, welcome to Tuesday's podcast. It's Glenn and Stu. We've got a great show for you today.

00:00:05.120 We kind of highlight what's happening at five o'clock on the TV show today and another amazing

00:00:10.440 interview. This one with a guy who was actually in the Ukrainian embassy, saw what was going on

00:00:16.140 with the DNC, was a whistleblower. But this whistleblower, nobody in the DNC wants to talk

00:00:22.660 about. We have an interview with him, an exclusive today, five o'clock. If you've missed that,

00:00:29.220 we'll cover it a bit of it tomorrow, of course. But you might want to go to the blaze and watch it

00:00:35.320 because it's it's something that nobody seems to be talking about. We talked about it there. We

00:00:41.680 also talked about the Hunter Biden interview on ABC. And we give you the facts and show you exactly

00:00:48.420 how ABC set him up to be technically accurate, but not accurate, accurate. Also, Rand Paul joins us.

00:01:00.820 He talks about what's happening in Syria with Turkey, his new book, The Case Against Socialism,

00:01:07.660 and a fascinating story of one of the most brutal abortionists and his possible Nazi background.

00:01:17.160 The only people who actually did an interview with him. We talked to him today on the podcast.

00:01:23.620 So Joe Biden had his son, Hunter, go out and talk to the press and talk to the press he did. Oh,

00:01:47.020 it was grueling. If you didn't see it on ABC, we want to play pieces of it here. Here's here's

00:01:54.360 Hunter Biden on the cross. That is his last name. Your last name wasn't Biden. Do you think you would

00:02:00.900 have been asked to be on the board of Burisma? I don't know. I don't know. Probably not. But that's,

00:02:07.100 you know, I don't think that there's a lot of things that would have happened in my life that

00:02:10.660 that if my last name wasn't Biden. Oh, man. It's true. I mean, he's, he's right on that one.

00:02:19.460 Uh, you and I, I think he should probably acknowledge that. I mean, he did try to make

00:02:24.180 the point that he's been on several other boards before this, which is one of the reasons he just

00:02:31.620 didn't see any problem with the Burisma thing. He's already been on like bunch of boards for other

00:02:35.180 companies. Now, of course, that's also probably because his last name is Biden. Um, but you can see

00:02:40.480 how he's, he's caught in this bubble here, Glenn, where daddy, you know, makes his life go really

00:02:46.120 well, except, you know, when he's having his, you know, he's on cocaine and things like that,

00:02:50.560 that when he does things to his own life that he, daddy can't necessarily bail him out of that.

00:02:54.760 But he's had a lot of positive developments because of daddy's role. And so he doesn't even

00:02:58.640 understand. He's never been anything other than the son of a senator or vice president. So how does he

00:03:04.120 even relate the difference? Right. He doesn't understand. Well, you know, maybe, maybe, uh, the reporter

00:03:10.420 by phrasing the question, uh, as we suggested, uh, did your appointment have anything to do with

00:03:16.960 Joe Biden, your father running point for Obama in Ukraine? Um, you know, your dad coordinated

00:03:25.960 energy, the Ukraine energy and anti-corruption policies that directly affected Burisma. Um,

00:03:34.060 did that have anything to do with your appointment and not letting him get away with, well, gee, my name

00:03:41.440 has been such a cross and I guess in many ways, a blessing too, but mainly across today. That's what

00:03:49.380 you have to ask. Jason Buttrill joins us now. Jason, how are you? Good. Um, he is, uh, our chief

00:03:56.080 researcher on all things Ukraine. Um, did you see the interview? I did. I would, that question right

00:04:02.840 there like was just hilarious to me because if like, I really wish that the Bidens would

00:04:08.920 have granted us this interview. It would have been so great. I would like to see a little

00:04:12.080 more sarcasm, I think from the interview, uh, or just at least it just, at least a tough

00:04:19.120 question, right? I mean, ask it this way, like how you were saying, like, it's just, it's either

00:04:24.600 a cosmic abnormality or maybe a little magic involved here. If it's not just pure coincidence,

00:04:30.400 but every time you make a big business deal, it coincides with a meeting. Sometimes the

00:04:36.280 exact same day that your father was doing a major foreign policy move in that country.

00:04:40.600 Right. How does that happen? Hunter? Well, let's go into, let's get down to Hunter Biden

00:04:45.800 on his Burisma qualifications. What are you qualified to do? Sides go to rehab.

00:04:52.800 What were your qualifications to be on the board of Burisma? Well, I was vice chairman of the board

00:04:56.640 of Amtrak for five years. I was- Stop, stop, stop, stop. I played with the trains. Stop.

00:05:03.820 I was on the board of Amtrak and we've, we've only lost billions of dollars. Yeah. And we

00:05:09.540 should also note that my father's most famous anecdote is that he takes Amtrak every day.

00:05:14.360 Yeah. Right. How did you get on that board? Yeah. Is it because your, your dad does millions

00:05:18.680 of dollars of free advertising all the time for them? That's incredible. So I'm on a, I'm a board

00:05:24.600 member of a failing business, uh, that my daddy, uh, uses all the time. Uh, but other than that,

00:05:32.040 uh, what are your qualifications? You ask? Go ahead. Food program. I was a lawyer for

00:05:37.680 Boyce Schiller Flexner, one of the most prestigious law firms in the world. You didn't have any extensive

00:05:43.080 knowledge about natural gas or Ukraine itself though? Uh, no, but I think that I had as much

00:05:49.320 knowledge as anybody else that was on the board, if not more. In the list that you gave me of the

00:05:53.620 reasons why you're on that board, you did not list the fact that you were the son of the vice

00:05:58.080 president. Of course. Yeah. No. What role do you think that played? I think that it is impossible

00:06:02.580 for me to be on any of the boards that I just mentioned without saying that I'm the son of the

00:06:06.680 vice president of the United States. You were paid $50,000 a month for your position? Look,

00:06:11.400 I'm a private citizen. One thing that I don't have to do is sit here and open my kimono as it relates

00:06:15.740 to how much money I make or make or did or didn't, but it's all been reported. So he can't say yes

00:06:22.480 to $50,000 a month because it's much more than that. It's as high as $200,000 a month, which has

00:06:28.140 been reported. So he's not lying. He's not lying there. Um, you could tell he's his son too, man.

00:06:34.160 He's got all the same mannerisms. Same sound. Yeah. Same sound. Same way he speaks. Yeah. I mean,

00:06:39.220 he really, there's a lot of similarities there. Yeah. Okay. Here he is on leaving Burisma.

00:06:44.020 Why did you leave the board in April? It's a five-year term. And you chose not to continue.

00:06:49.920 I chose not to. Why? I think it's pretty obvious why. This is your opportunity to say why. Well,

00:06:55.740 because I think that it's become, this is what becomes a distraction because I have to sit here

00:06:59.740 and answer these questions. And so that's why I've committed that I won't serve on any boards or I

00:07:04.700 won't work, um, uh, directly for any foreign entities when my dad becomes president. Do you think

00:07:10.460 that should be a rule across the board for any administration? No, look, that's the rule that

00:07:14.520 I'm going to adhere to. Do you regret being on the board to begin with? No, I don't regret being

00:07:19.260 on the board. What I regret is not taking into account that there would be a Rudy Giuliani.

00:07:28.080 Oh my gosh. And a, um, and a president of the United States that would be listening to this,

00:07:33.280 this ridiculous conspiracy idea, which has, again, been completely debunked by everyone.

00:07:40.360 Whoa. And, you know, we are, we are thinking, how could that not have crossed your mind? Or you

00:07:44.160 wouldn't have felt just a little bit in your gut? Like maybe this isn't a good idea to go and sit

00:07:49.660 on the board of this Ukrainian company. I just said to you, I said, I said to you in retrospect,

00:07:53.920 I wish that my judgment, you never, it never, you never thought he was drunk. This might not look

00:07:58.280 right. You know what? I'm a human. And you know what? Did I make a mistake? Well, maybe in, in,

00:08:03.260 in the grand scheme of things. Yeah. But did I make a mistake based upon some on ethical lapse?

00:08:09.200 Absolutely not. Wow. Is he his father? He is such his father. Um, all right. Well, so I've heard

00:08:17.120 this line before that it's all been dismissed and it's a conspiracy theory. Um, Mike or producer,

00:08:24.120 could we, uh, could we go into the time tunnel and just pull this piece from the audio vault?

00:08:29.580 Yeah, this is, uh, this is, uh, Hillary, an interview of firm Hillary from back in the day

00:08:34.020 that we got here just before the show to remind you, uh, exactly how they handled these things

00:08:39.200 previously. The great story here for anybody willing to find it and write about it and explain it

00:08:45.460 is this vast right-wing conspiracy that has been conspiring against my husband since the day he

00:08:51.820 announced for president. So this one is a vast right-wing conspiracy as well. We know how the

00:09:01.840 last vast right-wing conspiracy turned out, uh, and, uh, and it didn't turn out well. And I don't think

00:09:09.060 this one is either. Uh, but as she said, if there's anyone willing to look as that, that part, I believe

00:09:17.800 was cut out of that, uh, that clip there. I think if anybody cares to look. And they did, and they found

00:09:24.200 the lack of the black, the, the, uh, the vast white ring, uh, white right-wing conspiracy. Yeah. It wasn't

00:09:31.880 there because there was other things that were there, uh, on dresses and such. How do you feel, uh, how do you

00:09:37.820 feel, uh, Jason, when, when you hear somebody say all this stuff has been debunked? Oh, and everyone's saying

00:09:44.300 it. Uh, and it's absolutely ridiculous. It's actually something we're looking into right now

00:09:47.680 because they say this, you'll, you'll get Washington post, New York times, they'll write these huge,

00:09:52.380 you know, fact checking things. And they're like, Oh, this is debunked or, Oh, this was, uh, disproven.

00:09:57.240 And I'm like, this is weird because I've heard sworn people say in like sworn testimony, the exact

00:10:02.720 opposite. So when you look at it, it's the most misleading logic that they're using to do this.

00:10:07.760 It is. No, it's, it's not even misleading. It is damn near criminal what they're doing.

00:10:12.740 You would get in trouble with a judge if you were in the court and you did something like this. You

00:10:18.060 would, that you would get sanctions against the attorneys that would do this. I don't know. And,

00:10:22.560 and, and the, the stuff on, on, on what the Bidens were doing in Ukraine, China, all those places,

00:10:27.240 like how is that debunked? I mean, this, I mean, it's, it's fact that he had these, these jobs that

00:10:33.080 coincided that ran in parallel when his debt, when his dad was doing certain foreign policy things.

00:10:37.480 Now they're bringing up Rudy Giuliani and I have to tell you right now, I don't know if Rudy

00:10:42.100 Giuliani was doing what they're claiming he was doing. We haven't looked into Rudy Giuliani yet.

00:10:48.800 We, I just said yesterday to the boys, we have to do a couple of things. I want to look into the

00:10:56.580 press and see what their story is. And I want to either prove or disprove their story and find out

00:11:05.060 what is, what actually happened and what didn't happen on their side of the story. Cause I bet

00:11:10.760 there's some things that are true that they're talking about when that, and then if that relates

00:11:15.760 to Rudy Giuliani and the president will expose that as well, we're looking for truth, truth. But as we

00:11:22.860 are looking for it, it is incredible what the press is doing. Um, and now they're saying that Rudy

00:11:32.080 Giuliani and maybe this is partly true. Maybe this is all true. I don't know at this point,

00:11:37.940 but they're saying Rudy Giuliani, what he did is he just fired this. He got this ambassador fired

00:11:46.460 because he had two friends who wanted to get into the oil and gas business and he wanted to get them

00:11:53.120 in so they could make a lot of money off of the USAID that was being funneled to Ukraine. And so

00:12:01.280 he, the person that was standing in the way of this corruption was the, uh, was the ambassador of

00:12:08.380 Ukraine. And so he convinced Trump, you got to fire him because he's bad. And it was all just to make

00:12:15.320 money in Ukraine. That's the story. Unfortunately, let's say that's true, which I don't think it is,

00:12:22.760 but maybe it is. Let's say that's true. That's exactly what Joe Biden was doing. It's exactly what

00:12:30.800 Joe Biden was doing, except he wasn't trying to fire the ambassador. The ambassador was working on

00:12:38.300 his side, uh, and stopping all investigations on Burisma because his son was in Burisma. And then

00:12:46.660 instead of firing the ambassador, which works at the discretion of the president,

00:12:51.420 he insists that they fire the investigator. Joe Biden had no right to insist that in a foreign

00:12:59.140 country fires somebody if they want money. Yeah. A few things on the ambassador, because

00:13:07.020 there's a lot of misdirection that the media is doing on this, like with their fact checking. But

00:13:10.680 if you're focused on Rudy Giuliani and whatever the heck he was doing, which I think it's important,

00:13:15.720 like you said, to know what they were doing, but I'd still think that is misdirection.

00:13:19.420 You're, if you're focused on that, you're not focused on everything that Ukrainians were saying

00:13:23.620 on the Ukrainian side. People like the former prosecutor, General Lutsenko, that said that

00:13:27.460 this person gave him a do not prosecute list. There's no retraction there. So if anyone sees

00:13:32.180 that and says that this has been debunked, that's a lie. I see that all the time. They say they walked

00:13:36.080 back that claim. That's an absolute lie. I'm so tempted to tell you now, but we are trying to

00:13:41.140 put together something with all of their claims. And I don't want to tip my hand yet. But that one,

00:13:48.460 Stu, that, that will, that will make blood shoot out of your eyes. When you see what they say,

00:13:55.040 when they say, oh, they walked that back. No, that was retracted. When you see the truth about that

00:14:02.740 and how they arrived at that, the media, blood will shoot out of your eyes. Have a pint or two

00:14:09.360 of blood sitting next to you when we do that show next week. To replace the blood that's shooting

00:14:14.640 out of your eyes? Yes. You're going to need a transfusion. It's not going to be pretty.

00:14:19.560 We'll, we'll go through some more of the Biden stuff here coming up in just a second.

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00:15:51.580 Rand Paul joins us. Mr. Rand Paul joins us in just a few minutes. He's going to be talking about

00:16:01.480 Turkey. Are you going to just change the length of what 10 seconds is when you say pause for 10

00:16:08.020 seconds, station ID? Do you have to do four or five? Yep. That's the new 10 seconds? That's the new 10

00:16:11.900 seconds. Got it. I was wondering if you guys are going to go over this one, too, before we get back

00:16:16.060 into the audio. The idea, because he's trying to claim, Hunter Biden, that he made no money off of

00:16:21.300 the China situation. And he's flabbergasted on China. Like Ukraine, he sees how it looks bad,

00:16:28.660 but he didn't do anything wrong. Well, let's play this. Let's play this audio first. Go ahead. Here

00:16:32.120 he is. The president has repeatedly said that you received $1.5 billion from China, despite no

00:16:39.100 experience and for no apparent reason. Obviously, fact checkers have said that that is not true.

00:16:45.260 Look, this is literally has no basis in fact in any way. Have you received any money from that

00:16:50.500 business dealing? No. At all? Not one cent? Not one cent. Definitely not $1.5 billion. It's crazy.

00:16:56.760 They feel like they have the license to go out and say whatever they want. It feels to me like living

00:17:01.260 in some kind of Alice in Wonderland, where you're up on the real world and then you fall down the rabbit

00:17:07.920 hole. And, you know, the president's the Cheshire cat asking you questions about crazy things that

00:17:12.940 don't have any resemblance to the reality of anything that has to do with me. And so here's

00:17:22.320 the answer. No one ever paid me $1.5 billion. And if they had, I would not be doing this interview

00:17:30.020 right now.

00:17:30.620 Now, I don't know that anything he said in that clip is untrue technically, but it is such a

00:17:41.660 misleading account of what occurred there. The $1.5 billion is the amount this company,

00:17:48.420 right, that he's associated with, was trying to raise.

00:17:50.640 He is a third partner. It is him, Christopher Hines, John Kerry's son, and Devon Archer,

00:17:59.460 the guy who they went to Yale with. Those three created a company, and that company signed a deal

00:18:08.580 that no one else, you want to talk about a no-bid contract, no one else, Goldman Sachs,

00:18:13.960 no one was offered this deal. It was a deal that gave sovereign funds from the National Bank of

00:18:22.720 China, which is the communist-run bank. It is the state bank, the sovereign funds, and the social

00:18:30.340 security money, if you will, from China. $1.5 billion was not given to this company. It was given to this

00:18:40.360 company to invest. So they weren't paid $1.5 billion for their work. They were given $1.5 billion

00:18:49.140 to invest for China. Their fees would come out of that $1.5 billion.

00:18:55.560 Right. And so when he says he hasn't made any money, that's because he still owns part of the firm.

00:19:02.300 He owns, I think, 10% of the firm. So if they were to have a successful business and then sell it,

00:19:09.580 that's when he would take the money, right? Like, if you own, like, it's like saying, like,

00:19:14.040 if you bought a, thank you, if you bought a stock at $20 and it goes up to $80, but you haven't sold

00:19:21.100 it yet, you didn't make any money. Well, like, well, yeah, you didn't make any money yet because

00:19:24.640 you haven't sold the stock yet, but you've made the money on paper and you could sell the stock

00:19:28.060 whenever you wanted. This business, which he bought 10% of for $400,000, and it's bringing in

00:19:34.840 billions. How much do you think this business is worth now? A lot more than $4 million, which

00:19:39.940 was what they apparently valued it at. But I would still even, if you're giving this interview,

00:19:45.300 I don't know how you give this without having the actual documentation where journalists look

00:19:49.940 through Morgan Stanley records and they found that anonymous LLCs were coming from China and Ukraine

00:19:55.940 going directly into Hunter Biden's account, his account directly into it.

00:20:00.840 I mean, Morgan Stanley, and they haven't, they haven't asked that question. This is why

00:20:07.040 this was a Hunter Biden apology tour. This was for him just to get on and say, Hey, I'm really sorry

00:20:16.800 for what I've done. And, uh, you know, I made some mistakes. That's, that's what this was about.

00:20:22.480 This was not about getting to the truth. This was trying to bet it. But I think that last question

00:20:28.500 or that last answer is going to come and bite him in the ass because we have the Morgan Stanley

00:20:34.740 file. We know offshore China was, was paying him and putting it directly into his Morgan Stanley

00:20:44.100 account. We also know that he owns 10% of the company that received the $1.5 billion to invest.

00:20:51.480 Well, okay. The value of your company just went up. So, uh, ABC did a interview with, uh, Hunter Biden,

00:21:02.960 Joe Biden's son today. And my guess is the, the one thing that he did say that's going to be a real

00:21:11.240 problem. Excuse me. Is, uh, is this particular answer about, did you make any money in China?

00:21:21.140 Listen, the president has repeatedly said that you received $1.5 billion from China, despite no

00:21:29.900 experience and for no apparent reason, obviously fact checkers have said that that is not true.

00:21:36.080 Look, this is literally has no basis in fact, in any way. Have you received any money from

00:21:41.100 that business dealing? No. At all? Not one cent? Not one cent. Definitely not 1.5 billion.

00:21:46.360 It's crazy. They feel like they have the license to go out and say whatever they want. It feels to

00:21:50.740 me like living in, um, some kind of Alice in Wonderland where you're up on the real world and

00:21:57.680 then you fall down the rabbit hole. And you know, the president's the Cheshire cat asking you questions

00:22:02.220 about crazy things that don't have any resemblance to the reality of, of, uh, anything that has to

00:22:09.760 do with me. And so here's, here's the answer. No one ever paid me $1.5 billion. Uh, and if they had,

00:22:18.780 um, I would not be doing this interview right now. You see this first, he says, were you paid,

00:22:26.820 were you paid $1.8 billion? No, I wasn't. You, so you didn't make any money. No, not one cent.

00:22:33.900 No, that's going to be trouble. Then he says, you know, I live in this upside down world where,

00:22:40.300 uh, you know, the Cheshire cat and, uh, they can say whatever they want, but it's just not true.

00:22:46.480 No one. Then there was an edit and he says, let me just say this. No one ever paid me 1.8 million,

00:22:55.120 a billion dollars. Didn't happen. Well, that's not the accusation. The accusation is your company

00:23:03.040 was given 1.8 billion dollars to invest for China and your company co-bought companies in America and

00:23:12.860 in China and you were doing business with them. I will say there is, it's a little more complicated

00:23:19.040 than that in that they are using a little bit of media sleight of hand here because the president

00:23:23.620 did say $1.5 billion specifically, specifically that he received. So instead of fact checking Peter

00:23:30.560 Schweitzer's claim or fact checking Glenn Beck's claim in a wide ranging investigation, they fact

00:23:36.160 checked the president in an offhanded remark where he's summarizing the information imprecisely.

00:23:42.100 So they say, Oh, did you get paid $1.5 billion? Like Trump said, well, Trump is not the guy doing

00:23:47.980 the investigations. He's just, you know, he read a story about it and is quoting it back. And $1.5

00:23:52.880 billion is in the story. It's just not a direct payment to Hunter Biden. So in a way they get around

00:24:00.340 him having to lie, right? By presenting the information in an inexact way, which is, you know,

00:24:07.960 it's helpful. It's helpful. It's helpful. It's a helpful way. Like he can say truthfully, he did not

00:24:12.900 get paid $1.5 billion. He can, that is not the allegation. If you actually read the reporting, he can

00:24:17.940 even say that his company was not paid $1.8 billion because it wasn't. It was a fundraiser. It was

00:24:23.780 given $1.8 billion was given to the company by China to invest. They said, we want you to invest

00:24:34.220 this $1.8 billion or $1.5 billion. That's what it is. He ran an investment firm. And by the way,

00:24:44.020 that was a 10 days after he flew with his daddy on air force two to China. Now, certainly that's

00:24:51.840 just a coincidence. Just like all the other loads of coincidence you pile on top of this, how they got

00:24:57.940 their business license approved a few days after this, all of these things that they just brush off

00:25:03.980 in the fact checking out of is like, well, look, that just happened to be a coincidence. Well,

00:25:08.000 his one of them, one of them was he, well, he went to China because his daughter wanted to go and he

00:25:11.620 needed a chaperone. She needed a chaperone. That's why he went to China. Oh, okay. Cause that's,

00:25:18.860 that's common. That's common, right? That's, that's, that's it. It's, it's the chaperone thing.

00:25:23.380 Not the fact 10 days after this trip, they got $1.5 billion from the bank of China,

00:25:29.480 but the media is going with, it was a chaperone trip, chaperoning the daughter to China.

00:25:37.080 That's what we're supposed to believe. What I love about this also, the China thing is the

00:25:41.500 perfect example for this because in, in communist, probably every communist country ever,

00:25:46.680 they have what they call the communist princelings and the princelings are the sons of the communist

00:25:52.860 party, Politburo, and they go all over the world and they, uh, they make millions and billions of

00:25:58.620 dollars, um, enriching their family. And it's, it's totally out in the open. They don't even try

00:26:02.980 to hide it. And we'd be like, Oh my gosh, that would never happen here. I mean, this is America

00:26:07.160 happening now. Hunter Biden is a princeling. He is the exact same thing as a communist party

00:26:11.660 princeling. And the thing is, we're not saying there's anything even illegal about this. Cause

00:26:14.920 there's not, it's absolutely corrupt and dirty, but with the way the rules are right now, do you want

00:26:20.620 someone like that to be president? It's like, Oh yeah, I've got a princeling in my family and we've,

00:26:24.880 but we know about it. And yeah, let me be clear because it's not illegal. I'm not saying that

00:26:30.820 Trump isn't doing this with his princelings. I don't know. There's no, there's no evidence.

00:26:36.800 There's no evidence, but it's not illegal. It's just grotesque. Now to deny it shows, you know,

00:26:46.060 something's wrong. You know, this is wrong to do. You know, this won't sit well with people.

00:26:52.080 There are multiple levels of this, right? As he points out in that one clip, he, his last name

00:26:56.980 is Biden. It's impossible to, unless he changes his name, it's impossible to separate himself from

00:27:02.720 that. And if your dad is the vice president of the United States, you're getting benefits out of

00:27:05.740 that. The same way I believe the Trump children who are still in business internationally are

00:27:11.480 benefiting, not because they're trying like that. That's not even an accusation of wrongdoing,

00:27:15.940 right? Like it's just, people are going to see that and be like, I want to get close to these

00:27:18.960 people. It's just natural. There's another level. If you go beyond that, where there's a real

00:27:23.400 problem. So here's, here's a great example. Ivanka Trump, she wanted to have, uh, uh, trademarks

00:27:30.220 in China. She needed trademarks for her line of whatever she was selling. And she hadn't gotten

00:27:36.680 them, hadn't gotten them, hadn't gotten them. Uh, her dad is president. Well, three months or six

00:27:42.420 months into the presidency, all of a sudden China approves those now that's not that that's getting

00:27:48.980 a benefit from your dad being the president. That's not, uh, a, a collusion kind of thing.

00:27:57.740 Okay. You're didn't go over with your dad while he was having meetings with the communist party and

00:28:04.720 you had a meeting with the communist party bank. And then they offered you something that they've

00:28:10.680 never offered anyone ever, ever, ever in the history of China. And it's a long history.

00:28:21.700 No one else has gotten this deal. Yeah. Well now that's completely different. And this is,

00:28:27.360 this is a big piece of pushback from the left. They say, well, look at Donald Trump's kids. They're

00:28:31.780 out there doing international business. But I think the separation here is that Donald Trump kids had

00:28:36.900 been doing international business that the entire time, right? They already were doing international

00:28:42.080 business all over the world. That was their role. Hunter Biden is jumping into the oil and gas industry

00:28:49.400 and these high level investment banks with no previous experience in these fields. And all of these dates

00:28:57.680 are lining up. Exactly. The fact that Donald Trump Jr. is closing a hotel somewhere else, is he getting a

00:29:03.560 benefit because of his name? Well, he was getting a benefit because of his name before Donald Trump

00:29:07.860 was president. The Trump name made business move all over the world long before this. Here's the

00:29:13.000 difference. Here's the difference. Are you closing deals? And should they be closing deals? No, I think

00:29:19.760 Donald Trump should be separated from all of his business like every other president is supposed to

00:29:26.320 have been. Okay. And that's not, again, not, you don't have to do that. No, you don't have to do that.

00:29:32.200 However, Joe Biden will say, well, I have all of my investments in black boxes, so I don't know what

00:29:39.780 they are. I'm not making any money. My wife's not making any money. Right. Your son just went out and

00:29:45.740 made all of the deals. So the little black box doesn't make any difference if you are tying your

00:29:51.640 policies to something where you're making money. Let me give you an example. I don't have a problem

00:29:58.900 with, uh, Ivanka getting her trademarks because that's a company or that's a country going, you

00:30:08.480 know, uh, just give her the trademarks and maybe we can use that. We'll have that as a chip that the

00:30:12.900 table we can play. Okay. No problem with that. Now there's no evidence of this, but I'm just using

00:30:19.420 this as an example. If Donald Trump, who I believe has a Trump tower in Turkey, if Trump had made some

00:30:30.180 deal with, um, Erdogan, where he was talking to Erdogan about moving some things. And at the same

00:30:38.140 time, his son was also saying, Hey, by the way, we need a special deal on our hotel over here.

00:30:47.000 And they happened at the same time or within 10 days of one another, the press would go crazy,

00:30:54.280 but so would I. And I think you would too. If he has used his policy to enrich himself,

00:31:03.240 that's a problem. Even if that policy is something he would have done before,

00:31:08.880 if he was doing that and enriching himself at the same time, you know, the press would go crazy

00:31:16.180 on that. And, and the Trumps would say they weren't connected. They weren't connected.

00:31:21.920 They just happen to be, come on. Your son knew that you were going to be doing things in,

00:31:28.320 in Turkey and you were working on that deal. It's too much of a coincidence to believe that it happened

00:31:33.800 10 days apart from each other, right? We would all be outraged by that, but my outrage would be

00:31:41.780 exactly the same for this Hunter Biden deal, because that's exactly what happened with Hunter

00:31:47.520 Biden. We don't have anything on Donald Trump, but if you find something like that on Donald Trump,

00:31:53.160 I will be as upset as I am with Hunter Biden, as I am with, uh, with, uh, Donald Trump and whoever

00:32:01.240 else he was in bed with. I'd be exactly the same. What the media is trying to do is trying to tell you,

00:32:08.120 well, Trump does this stuff anyway. Trump does this stuff. And besides he didn't do that. Trump

00:32:15.480 probably did, but, but Hunter Biden didn't do that. And even if he did do that, it's not illegal.

00:32:22.560 Do you see how this is working? They don't care about one side of it. I care about both. And I think

00:32:30.660 America cares about both. This is what, when you said hope and change, when you voted for, for Barack

00:32:36.920 Obama, well, very few people sound on my voice, but the people who voted for Barack Obama, this is

00:32:42.300 what they were looking for. I'm tired of corruption. I'm tired of backroom deals. I'm tired of people

00:32:48.580 enriching themselves. I'm tired of them telling me one thing and then doing another. And when Barack

00:32:54.440 Obama didn't deliver on that promise, people said, you know what? None of them will deliver. We've tried

00:33:01.500 this over and over again. I want a hand grenade. And they selected Donald Trump as a hand grenade.

00:33:09.280 And he's been taking this stuff on and blowing it up. Now, if he's blowing it up, but he's doing it

00:33:15.480 at the same time. That's a problem. But not just for him. That's a problem for him, Mitch McConnell,

00:33:24.220 Joe Biden, and everyone else who has been a part of this. I think we need to start looking for truth

00:33:32.640 and not for the next election. And right now we have facts on the ground that Hunter Biden is lying to

00:33:40.740 you today. And, and Joe Biden knows it. And so does the media. And next week, we'll prove to you

00:33:50.520 that the media knows exactly what they're doing. The best of the Glenn Beck program.

00:33:58.480 Hey, it's Glenn, and you're listening to the Glenn Beck program. If you like what you're hearing on

00:34:09.100 this show, make sure you check out Pat Gray Unleashed. It's available wherever you download

00:34:14.440 your favorite podcasts. The case against socialism by Senator Rand Paul. Welcome to the program, sir.

00:34:22.540 How are you? Hey, Glenn. Thanks for having me. You bet. So we've been waiting for people to make

00:34:29.480 the case against socialism because it's not being made anywhere. We're erasing our history and we are

00:34:35.080 not teaching what socialism really is. Most people think that it's like some sort of social network

00:34:40.420 or I love this one, just charity. It's kindness. Yeah. And this is the thing. You look at polls of young

00:34:48.180 people and over half of the young people have a favorable perception of socialism. But then you

00:34:52.860 do an additional polling question. You say, well, what is socialism? And only about 16, 17% of young

00:34:58.800 people can identify the state ownership of the means of production. And so really, you're right.

00:35:03.560 They're confused. But that confusion is a real problem. You know, when I was a kid, liberals who

00:35:10.600 probably were socialist were embarrassed to say they were. They would never use the word because it had

00:35:15.640 negative connotations. The fact that we've gotten to a point in our history where the negative

00:35:20.840 connotations, the genocide and the famine that seem to have always been associated with real

00:35:26.260 socialism, that seems to be lost. Our government schools are not teaching about Hitler socialism or

00:35:32.640 Stalin socialism or Mao or Pol Pot or Castro or even now Chavez and Maduro. They're not teaching the kids

00:35:39.980 about this. And we have even some crazy people on television. I don't know if you've ever heard of this

00:35:44.880 show the view, but we've got a crazy woman screaming on that program at me. Godot Maduro is

00:35:50.280 a thug. He's a thug. He's not a socialist. And it's like, well, maybe he's a socialist and a thug.

00:35:55.100 And maybe there's a connection between socialism and thuggery.

00:35:59.180 Well, they will, but they will not, as you found out, they will not admit that they admit that they'll

00:36:04.480 say that that's just socialism done wrong. But when you ask, where has it been done correctly?

00:36:10.760 Honestly, they can't tell you. They'll say places like Sweden. And I know in your book,

00:36:16.080 you say that Sweden riches actually come from capitalism and the Nordic model is

00:36:23.180 welfarism, not socialism. What's the difference?

00:36:26.860 Yeah, we look at this extensively in the book because this is what Bernie and AOC point towards.

00:36:31.820 They point to that we want the socialism of Scandinavia. But like when the prime minister

00:36:36.380 of Denmark heard this, he said, Bernie, pipe down, we're not socialist. We're open for business.

00:36:41.860 We have private property. The corporations are owned privately. We have free and open trade with

00:36:46.680 the world. And in fact, most economic indexes list the Scandinavian countries in the top 10 of sort of

00:36:53.260 the freest trading and free market countries. Now they do have a welfare state and we have to decide

00:36:59.020 whether we want that welfare state. But what Bernie is telling you about their welfare state

00:37:03.100 is also untrue. He's saying that we can have all these free socialist goodies in America,

00:37:09.100 but we're only going to tax rich people. In Scandinavia, what we discovered in the book is

00:37:13.760 the vast majority of the taxes are paid by the working class through a 25% sales tax and also

00:37:19.660 through an income tax that starts at about 60,000. It's 60% income tax. So the middle class and the poor

00:37:26.560 are paying the taxes for all the so-called free things in Scandinavia.

00:37:30.260 And the free things are not even free things. For instance, uh, college, they say free universal

00:37:36.380 college.

00:37:38.100 No, and free, I put in quotation marks because it isn't free. They pay for it through high taxes.

00:37:43.520 But the other thing about college that's interesting, we learned in looking at it,

00:37:47.240 their percentage of people who go to college, even though it's free is not a great deal higher

00:37:50.780 than ours, because guess what? When it is free, you have to restrict the access.

00:37:54.640 So it's sort of like healthcare. Wait in line for healthcare because everybody wants to go

00:37:59.100 because it's free. So you have to restrict the access. Same with college. If it's free,

00:38:02.580 everybody wants to go. So they have extensive exams. They do in China as well. They have these

00:38:07.300 10 hour exams in China to get into college. So we think it's, you know, the people who want to be

00:38:12.280 free ought to be careful what they wish for, because they may, they may well be one of those not

00:38:17.200 going to college because they don't do very well in the exam. So the, um, let me go back in time to,

00:38:23.060 um, because you, you spend some time, uh, about authoritarianism that is linked with socialism.

00:38:31.300 And, um, in, in that section, you talk about, uh, Hitler, uh, how the Nazis hated it, uh, how it

00:38:40.160 encourages eugenics. Is there anything in this, in this section that really stood out?

00:38:47.200 To you as the point that can, that, that can change people?

00:38:53.560 You know, I think the question of the book is, is whether or not, uh, violence is inherent,

00:38:58.620 uh, to socialism. And so Hayek and others have said that when you want complete socialism,

00:39:05.440 when you want complete ownership of the means of production of private property,

00:39:09.140 and when the government does that, there will be resistance. So the reason why you don't get

00:39:13.880 kinder, gentler dictators or kinder, gentler socialist leaders is that if you're too kind,

00:39:19.400 the people will resist you. You have to be ruthless. So in some ways, in order to get the

00:39:23.920 property from its previous owners, you select out for the most ruthless. So we shouldn't be surprised

00:39:29.540 that it's Hitler, that it's Stalin, that it's Mao, that it's Pol Pot. We shouldn't be surprised that

00:39:35.400 there's a ruthlessness and a violence because people don't want to have their stuff taken away from

00:39:39.700 them. Um, the, um, uh, the idea that, um, Elizabeth Warren, uh, could be the candidate for,

00:39:49.820 for, uh, the democratic presidential, uh, campaign is a little terrifying to anyone that I know that

00:39:58.060 runs a business big or small. Uh, what do you think, what do you think the ramifications are of,

00:40:04.820 of, of one of these real socialists getting in? I think it's interesting that, you know, everybody

00:40:10.920 said, Oh, wall street loves Hillary Clinton. And then immediately after she was defeated, wall

00:40:15.320 street roared. And so I think the same would happen in reverse with Elizabeth Warren. If she were to

00:40:20.560 take over wall street, we'll curl up in a ball and say, Oh my goodness, what are we going to do for

00:40:25.700 four years? The uncertainty of all the new regulations. If there's one thing she's famous for,

00:40:30.480 it's regulating the heck out of businesses and it does stifle innovation and stifles growth.

00:40:36.460 I, I saw some statistics who's yesterday, the day before on the Trump administration,

00:40:40.480 still repealing regulations, the economic boom and, and boost that you get from repealing

00:40:46.480 regulations and having business believe they're not going to be overregulated. Uh, I don't think

00:40:51.200 can be overstated. So you, you make the point in the book about, um, uh, about capitalism being

00:40:58.620 the best thing for the poor and, and everything else, except it's flipped around by the media and

00:41:06.280 by universities that really socialism is about caring. Socialism is about charity. It's, it's all

00:41:14.280 about heart and it's that evil capitalism that is really putting people down. We have an interesting

00:41:21.220 quote in the book where we talk about who tries to is trying to please whom in socialism or capitalism

00:41:26.880 in capitalism, people are producing goods and they care about the democratic vote of everybody buying

00:41:33.180 those goods. So they really care about the consumers and they do care about the people

00:41:37.000 because they're trying to produce something at the least expensive cost and get more people to like

00:41:40.480 their stuff under socialism. It's not so much caring about the consumers. It's caring about, uh,

00:41:46.380 the people who support your candidacy and within the party and pleasing those people. So there ends up

00:41:51.160 being an elite in both societies, in a capitalist society, under democratic capitalism, people vote

00:41:57.460 every day with their dollars and whoever makes the best stuff at the cheapest price gets more of

00:42:02.280 those dollars. Under socialism, you have a top 1%. So in Venezuela, there is a top 1%, but it's Maduro.

00:42:09.880 So the Maduro is 50 pounds overweight and the average Venezuelans lost 20 pounds. So there's an elite,

00:42:15.940 but it's him and his generals who are well fed and everyone else is starving.

00:42:20.840 Rand, let me switch, uh, topics. Um, the president has, uh, allowed, um, our troops to be withdrawn from

00:42:28.880 Syria. Uh, and I'm really torn on this because these guys we were in bed with, they were corrupt from the

00:42:36.380 beginning. When, when John McCain went over with Hillary Clinton, uh, with, uh, not Hillary Clinton, with, uh,

00:42:42.260 Barack Obama's, uh, blessings to embrace these people. Uh, I, I, I ranted every night. These are

00:42:49.340 not good people. We should not be over in inserting ourselves in with these people, especially, this is

00:42:54.860 not going to work out well. Now the president pulls people out and we have this mess on our hand, but I,

00:43:01.660 I don't know how else to get out of there other than just to get out of there.

00:43:06.800 Well, people need to remember the beginning of the Syrian war. And for years and years,

00:43:11.960 it was Lindsey Graham and Hillary Clinton, both on the same side, both supporting Sunni extremists

00:43:17.380 against Assad. Now, Assad is no angel, but most of the Christians in the country actually sided with

00:43:22.820 Assad and had been a minority religion protected by Assad's government for decades. But the Sunni

00:43:28.780 extremists that we supported, or our government supported, Hillary Clinton and Lindsey Graham,

00:43:33.600 if those people had taken over, my fear is that their ideology would have been closer to the ISIS

00:43:39.100 caliphate than it would have been to anything the West has known. But it's a very complicated

00:43:43.320 situation. Turkey is, um, is misbehaving in the region, buying Russian missiles, et cetera. They

00:43:49.780 are, uh, an authoritarian government and a NATO ally. By the NATO alliance, we're supposed to defend

00:43:55.660 them against attack. Their current allies are somebody called the Free Syrian Army. That's who's,

00:44:00.460 uh, doing a lot of these battles within Syria. It's a militia, but we were allied with the Free Syrian

00:44:05.800 Army for seven years. They're fighting against the Kurds. The Syrian Kurds, uh, their political

00:44:12.020 ideology is socialism. In fact, the Kurdish Workers Party is socialist and terrorist within Turkey.

00:44:19.520 Interestingly, the Iraqi Kurds, who have been our friends and have some autonomy in Iraq, don't like

00:44:25.420 the Syrian Kurds and actually have an arrangement with Turkey where they've turned over Kurdish

00:44:30.280 worker party, uh, terrorists back to Turkey. The Iraqi Kurds have a good relationship with Turkey

00:44:36.500 currently. There's 1800 Turkish businesses in Iraqi Kurdistan. That's the model we should be

00:44:42.400 looking for. And I think the irony of this is if you care about the Kurds, it actually may turn out

00:44:47.720 that in the last 24 hours, there is an alliance between Assad and the Kurds developing, and that

00:44:53.280 maybe the Syrians can convince the Turks that they will control their country. There'll be no Kurdish

00:44:58.560 incursions into Turkey, but there need be no Turkish incursions into Syria. And maybe there could be

00:45:05.080 a development of a semi-autonomous region. Assad needs allies. If he can get the Kurds to be allies

00:45:11.040 and say, we are Syrian Kurds, we have a province up here, you leave us largely alone, kind of like a

00:45:16.480 federal model like we have, maybe there could be some peace. What's been preventing peace for years now is

00:45:22.640 the neocons have said, oh, we have to topple Assad and we have to have regime change and nobody would

00:45:27.060 talk to Assad. In the end, I think Assad is there to stay, at least for a while, and needs to be part

00:45:32.280 of any kind of peace plan. But you would admit that this is really ugly right now.

00:45:38.400 It is. And I think it's also something we had no control over. So the Turks called up President

00:45:44.300 Trump and said, we're coming one way or another. And President Trump looked at his generals and said,

00:45:48.520 we have 50 people there. Would it be smart to leave 50 people in the wave of a Turkish invasion?

00:45:53.220 The mainstream media is pointing it out. Oh, he gave them the green light and said, come on,

00:45:57.460 we'll get out of the way. I don't think that's the way it developed. I think the way it developed is

00:46:01.160 the Turks have been chomping at the bit for a year or two to come in and wipe out the people who they

00:46:07.040 believe are their enemies and some of whom probably are terrorists. They've been wanting to wipe them

00:46:11.560 out. And I think the discussion was finally, Erdogan says, we are coming one way or another. And then the

00:46:18.440 president had to decide whether or not leaving 50 soldiers in the middle of a war was a good idea.

00:46:23.420 The president also said from the very beginning that his goal was to defeat ISIS. ISIS is defeated.

00:46:29.240 ISIS holds no territory. Is the ideology still there? Are there still some people? Sure, there always will be.

00:46:34.680 But ISIS is defeated. That was our goal. Our goal was not to make Syria a country. Our goal was not to give

00:46:39.760 the Syrian Kurds a country. Our goal was to defeat ISIS. And so I think we did accomplish that goal.

00:46:45.060 We shouldn't change the goal. Senator Rand Paul, thank you so much. I appreciate it. The name of

00:46:48.840 the book is The Case Against Socialism. It's available everywhere now. Senator Rand Paul.

00:46:58.020 This is the best of the Glenn Beck program.

00:47:00.480 Hey, it's Glenn. And if you like what you hear on the program, you should check out Pat Gray

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00:47:25.780 If you're not a subscriber, become one today and listen on your own time. You can subscribe

00:47:30.840 on iTunes. Thanks. We have a producer and director of Inwood Drive, Mark Archer. He has won a whole

00:47:38.460 bunch of awards. And I don't know if that's going to end now because, because he found himself kind of

00:47:46.000 in this, the middle of this story about one of the worst abortionists in American history, Dr. Ulrich

00:47:58.120 Klopfer. He is also joined by his wife. She is not on yet, but she's gonna be joining in a minute.

00:48:05.060 Amber, she is also a producer of this. Welcome to the program, Mark.

00:48:09.060 Thank you, Glenn. It's good to be here. Thank you. So why did you start this particular

00:48:15.700 documentary? Well, it wasn't to get rich and famous, I'll tell you. Right, right.

00:48:24.620 You know, we were just fascinated by the story of how grassroots efforts in northeast Indiana

00:48:36.200 led to the shutdown of an abortionist. We're always told that it's a federal issue. It's a

00:48:42.400 Supreme Court issue. There's nothing that you can do about it. And, you know, I'm, I'm drawn to story

00:48:48.780 and I looked at it and I said, you know, this is fascinating that this happened. And I want to know

00:48:56.380 how it happened because I think if other communities could hear this story of how this happened, that

00:49:04.060 they would be encouraged. Empowered. So, um, I don't know how you've won all these awards if this

00:49:11.020 is your POV, but God bless you, Mark. Um, so, um, so you started out. Now, did you know that,

00:49:18.360 uh, cause I'm, I'm really unfamiliar with his history, uh, and how they shut it down? Was,

00:49:25.400 was it, uh, obvious to you, this is a really spooky guy that might be keeping remains in his backyard?

00:49:36.320 Well, it wasn't obvious until we went in to actually interview him. Uh, we, we knew when we

00:49:43.340 started down this path to do the film in the back of my mind, I thought I'm going to have to at least

00:49:49.000 try to talk to him. And I'll be honest, I didn't really want to, but you know, when you're trying

00:49:55.220 to be truthful to a story, it means that you have to let people at least have the opportunity.

00:50:01.900 And so it was actually, um, one of the more cordial conversations that we've had. And I just

00:50:11.560 called them up on the phone. I told them who we were and what we were doing and that we wanted to

00:50:17.840 talk to him. So he invited us to come to his clinic. Now his clinic had been closed for five years,

00:50:23.720 but he still came to his clinic every Wednesday, spent the night in the clinic and got up the next

00:50:32.120 morning and left and drove to his South Bend clinic and spent the night there. So he was still making

00:50:38.080 his rounds. He hadn't been, he'd been out of business for five years. So why was he going to his

00:50:43.420 clinic? What was his excuse for that? Uh, you know, when I asked him, um, I said, you know,

00:50:52.580 most people that are retired go and play golf. And, and he said, uh, well, it's just, you know,

00:50:59.260 I got to check on the property. And that was all the, all the more reasoning that we got. It was obvious

00:51:06.460 as soon as we walked in that he was a hoarder. I mean, you had to kind of, you know, make a path

00:51:13.840 just to get anywhere. And this was in his house, not the clinic. This was his house.

00:51:20.080 No, this was in his clinic. Yeah. Okay. So in the interview, um, are you, you say it's one of the

00:51:29.880 more cordial, but are you creeped out by him other than he's a hoarder? What else do you see?

00:51:37.120 Uh, well, you know, George, he wanted us to call him George instead of Ulrich. Um,

00:51:45.060 he was all over the place. His, his science was skewed. His, his reasoning was skewed. Um,

00:51:54.020 he, you know, he referred to, uh, Adolf Hitler as uncle Adolf. I mean, it was,

00:52:01.900 it's just weirdness all over the place. Okay. So wait a minute, wait a minute. Can you give me,

00:52:06.220 does he have a heavy German accent when he's speaking to you? He, give me a heavy, very heavy.

00:52:13.100 How old was he? How old was he when he moved from Germany?

00:52:16.360 You know, I think he was about, he was 11. He was 11 and he grew up during the war.

00:52:28.520 Yeah. So he started telling us about, um, being in Dresden as a young boy when this,

00:52:36.160 uh, when the allied fire bombings. Now, did you, did you bring this? How did uncle Adolf come to play

00:52:43.140 here? Uncle Adolf came up when we, uh, when actually Amber asked him if he had, um, if he

00:52:53.220 had asked for forgiveness for the sin of killing, uh, children. Okay. Do we have Amber on the phone

00:52:58.680 yet? Let's put, yeah, let's, let me, let me join in, uh, Amber here. Can we, can we join the two of

00:53:04.480 them? Yeah. All right. Good. Amber. Hi. Hi there. So you went, you went full Nazi on him.

00:53:10.580 Oh, you know, I did. Yeah. You know, I think for, for me, when we went in there, I knew I would

00:53:16.820 probably never get another opportunity to talk to this man. And I just was there to extend grace

00:53:22.740 and the love of Christ. You know, this is who we are. It's what we do. And he, he, he, um,

00:53:30.180 he didn't like that. I challenged him. And I just, I just asked him, have you asked for forgiveness

00:53:34.400 for, for killing children? And he said, no, I've done nothing wrong. And I told him that there's,

00:53:39.920 there's forgiveness. Even, even now for you, George, there's forgiveness for what you've

00:53:44.940 done. And he said, well, when I get to heaven, I'm going to see uncle Adolf and Mussolini

00:53:50.600 and Stalin. Wow. He may be surprised. Um, the elevator may go a different direction if

00:53:58.660 he's expecting to see those guys. Uh, so when he said uncle Adolf, is this the first time

00:54:05.760 the Nazis kind of came into things? Uh, I, I think, you know, he, because he, he, he told

00:54:13.220 us a lot of his upbringing and, but that, that was, that was the first time that we heard

00:54:17.860 the Nazis. Okay. And when you say that his science mark was a bit screwed up, um, is it,

00:54:26.500 is it a kind of a Nazi eugenics kind of thing? What, what do you mean his science was screwed

00:54:31.600 up? So he had a real problem, um, with his shifting definition of when life starts and

00:54:41.420 he would, he would compare it to, well, if you, if you have a, a fetus in a test tube and

00:54:48.440 it's, you know, at this gestational age and you, and you take it out of the test tube, it

00:54:52.900 won't survive. And then he would, he would kind of swing around and, um, talk about, um,

00:55:02.840 that, that the baby inside the womb, when you do a sonogram and you hear the, the baby's

00:55:10.940 heartbeat, he, uh, he said, well, that's not the baby's heartbeat. That's the mother's

00:55:16.000 heartbeat. And I, I looked at him, I said, no, no, George, I have three daughters.

00:55:22.900 I know I'm not a doctor, but I've seen, I've, I've heard three of these, you know, I've

00:55:28.760 gone through this three times. That is, that is not mom's heartbeat. That's a little heart

00:55:33.480 going. Maybe, maybe mom sitting on a bunny rabbit would be a little more believable,

00:55:39.780 but not mom's heartbeat. No, it was, it was just, it was, and it was things like that.

00:55:45.240 And I looked at him, I said, George, are you, I am going to challenge you on that. And he

00:55:49.420 just looked incredulous and said, you can't challenge me on that. And I, that's when,

00:55:54.160 you know, you're just, you're not dealing with a sane mindset on the other side.

00:55:59.620 So, um, Amber, let me go back to uncle Adolf as he says that, does he then, is this when

00:56:06.580 he reveals his motivations? Um, no, I don't know. He doesn't really reveal his motivations.

00:56:17.280 He's just always angry. He, he's, he's really mad at talking about what, what we did, the

00:56:24.240 Americans did in, in the bombings of Dresden. And, um, it was, you know, you could, you could

00:56:30.180 read into it and know where he was going, but he never was, was forthcoming and outright

00:56:35.820 said, you know, I'm here to, to seek revenge on all the Americans.

00:56:40.360 So then how did you, how do you draw that conclusion?

00:56:45.020 Well, from what everyone, I mean, we've, we talked to a lot of the, um, the, the pro-life

00:56:51.520 people and the sidewalk counselors, and there've been many stories through the years. And as Mark

00:56:58.060 pointed out, you know, we weren't sure that they were true. So it was just going in and

00:57:02.340 talking to him. But you know, now knowing what we know about George since his passing, um,

00:57:10.280 well, you could start to put things together. I mean, so like, what were the stories that

00:57:15.360 you were, you weren't sure that were true?

00:57:19.060 Mark, I'll pass it off to Mark. He dealt with most of the people.

00:57:22.040 Honestly, honestly, the, the entire Dresden story, um, I, I had heard it in many forms

00:57:28.700 through the years leading up to it, leading up to interviewing George, but I didn't believe

00:57:33.740 all of it. I, I, so people had said, people had said this, that he had said it, or they

00:57:40.040 concluded that he was trying to pay back America by killing our babies because they killed,

00:57:48.780 because Americans dropped the bombs and killed so many German babies.

00:57:54.400 What I had been told from various sources that had dealt with him directly was he told me this

00:58:02.720 and he told me this. And I, and, and so, uh, you know, I, I, I had multiple accounts of this,

00:58:12.620 but I went in and I thought, okay, I, I, I'm going to have an open mind and, you know,

00:58:19.260 maybe I'll, we'll get to that and I'll ask him about it. But I didn't go in and say, so,

00:58:25.460 are you a Nazi? It was, uh, you know, he, we were only a couple minutes into our conversation

00:58:32.860 and he just started talking about Dresden and just this whole thing of, you know, all these

00:58:39.340 awful things that he saw, uh, how many people were killed and, and it wasn't just Dresden then it

00:58:47.860 was, it was surviving through, um, when the Soviets invaded, they, and, and they, they watched

00:58:57.600 that all happen. So really his childhood, his early childhood up until, you know, almost a teenager

00:59:04.660 was dealing with that. Okay. So hang on. I got to take a one minute break and then I want to come

00:59:10.580 back and, uh, we'll talk a little bit about, so you guys find out he dies and his family goes into

00:59:18.600 the garage and they find out that he has hoarded dead babies and they're all in his garage.

00:59:26.920 How surprised were you to hear that?

00:59:29.380 I think the, the, the term that we used was shocked, but not surprised. I mean, if we,

00:59:38.760 we, we knew that he was a hoarder. So the, the shock of a lot of people are hoarders. They

00:59:45.220 don't necessarily hoarded babies, you know, it's a different level. Yeah. So, so that was the shock,

00:59:52.220 but the not surprised because I mean, he's, you know, we, we figured in his career, he told us

00:59:59.300 his first abortion was in Chicago in 1974 and we figured his career total, probably 50,000 abortions.

01:00:07.620 So, you know, that's, you just know that the depravity that you're dealing with. So.

01:00:12.920 Wow. Um, uh, and now, so you have finished the film, but you've gone back into re-edit with,

01:00:21.540 you know, some new light on this. When are you, when are you planning on releasing and how's that

01:00:27.460 going? What, what's happening with it? You know, it's, it's, uh, it's an interesting story. We had the

01:00:34.940 film done. We had a private screening for our supporters because this was all financed by us

01:00:42.720 and donors to our nonprofit. We showed the film one night and then about a week later,

01:00:48.880 we found out Georgia had died and we paused and we went, well, maybe we should include this

01:00:54.440 in the story. And then 10 days after that, the news broke about the dead babies. So we have been,

01:01:02.640 um, um, just kind of waiting and watching like everyone else because, you know, we thought,

01:01:09.480 okay, now they've kind of, uh, they've started dealing with getting the babies back to Indiana

01:01:16.860 and talking about how to proceed with, uh, you know, the burial service, things like that. We

01:01:23.480 wanted to include that. And then another, another round of dead babies found in the trunk of one of

01:01:29.800 his cars. Oh my gosh. So it's, it's just been, uh, for us, the, the answer is, well, it'll be,

01:01:36.580 it'll be out next year, but we're kind of in this hold where we're going, well, we, we, we keep

01:01:44.060 thinking the story is over, has concluded itself. And then, and then they find something else. So

01:01:49.160 we're, we're kind of like everybody else just going, how, how much, how much worse can it get?

01:01:53.780 It's amazing. I've been to Fort Wayne. I love Fort Wayne. I love Fort Wayne. And to have this horror

01:01:59.380 show, uh, in, you know, for in and around Fort Wayne is just bizarre. Um, because it's a nice

01:02:07.140 little town and you wouldn't think that a, a German, it sounds like a German Nazi, uh, is hoarding babies

01:02:15.280 in his, uh, garage would happen, uh, anywhere, but let alone, you know, a place like a place like,

01:02:22.260 you know, Indiana. Uh, thank you guys so much. Please let us know when you're ready to release

01:02:27.400 it. And, uh, I, I'd love to see the film and, and, uh, and we support you in your work. Thank

01:02:33.920 you so much. Mark Archer, Amber Archer, uh, the name of the movie, you you're welcome. Name

01:02:38.880 of the movie is Inwood Drive. Inwood Drive. We will let you know when it finally is released.

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The Glenn Beck Program - October 15, 2019

Best of the Program ｜ Guests： Senator Rand Paul and Mark & Amber Archer ｜ 10⧸15⧸19

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