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00:00:30.000 Today's show you don't want to miss because it centers on the show that we ran last night on Blaze TV,

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00:02:36.380 I want to give you a theory, and this is just a theory.

00:02:39.920 I don't know yet, but I am I don't trust our intelligence community at all.

00:02:46.000 And when it comes to this signal story, I just want to throw something out.

00:02:51.920 And this has really come clear to me as a theory that this whole signal thing is kind of a setup in a way.

00:03:03.900 Let me take you back to what we found out through the JFK files.

00:03:09.100 First of all, JFK fires Director Dulles, one of the founding members of the CIA.

00:03:15.080 And he does it because there's a Schlesinger memo that comes out and says the CIA is out of control.

00:03:20.340 It's doing all kinds of stuff.

00:03:21.680 It's laundering money through our NGOs, through government institutions.

00:03:27.180 I mean, exactly what's happening today.

00:03:30.840 And then he goes after their primary source of global operations, which was an agency called the ICA, the International Cooperation Administration.

00:03:42.020 He says, I'm shutting that down.

00:03:43.820 He shuts it down.

00:03:44.940 Everybody goes crazy.

00:03:46.560 You're going to destroy all of the things, the good things we're doing in the world.

00:03:49.700 Does any of this sound familiar?

00:03:51.100 And he opens up USAID instead.

00:03:54.900 Well, the CIA is like, oh, OK, well, oh, boy, we're really upset.

00:04:02.360 OK, well, we'll have to live with USAID.

00:04:04.760 And then they infiltrate that and they do the same thing that the ICA was doing.

00:04:09.120 They just start laundering money and doing ops that nobody knows about through USAID, just like they did before.

00:04:17.080 We also know from the JFK files that the CIA infiltrated U.S. media outlets.

00:04:22.820 We know that's happened now.

00:04:24.220 They used media as a weapon.

00:04:26.600 We know they're doing that now.

00:04:28.820 They they shaped the opinions and leveraged journalists and their contacts.

00:04:33.980 We know that's happening.

00:04:35.440 One of those included a contact tied directly to the then attorney general RFK.

00:04:41.360 They were spying on many people, including Barry Goldwater and RFK.

00:04:47.600 They infiltrated private private private businesses like the airline Pan Am's.

00:04:53.500 They also were repeating almost just different names, almost exactly the same pattern, which leads to an assassination on the president of the United States.

00:05:06.940 So I want you to put that in your frame of mind.

00:05:10.660 It doesn't mean that what I'm about to suggest to you happened.

00:05:14.060 I'm suggesting that maybe we should be very, very careful because we are dealing with one of the most dangerous agencies ever to grace the planet called the CIA and American intelligence.

00:05:28.360 So let's go back to signal.

00:05:31.620 What does this have to do with the latest mistake with signal?

00:05:34.660 I told you I've talked to several members of Congress and the Senate that have said they're spying on us.

00:05:40.960 We know it.

00:05:41.720 We've even been been threatened in, you know, behind closed doors by the intelligence agencies.

00:05:48.260 So we know they're spying on our Congress and and they have been saying Congress of the intel community has been saying you've got to use these devices because we fear there are things going on with foreign countries.

00:06:04.880 Well, the way you would handle that is not to send out signal and install signal from a private corporation and install it on everybody's computer in the administration.

00:06:18.680 You wouldn't do that to everybody's computer in the House and the Senate.

00:06:22.300 You would say you use this because this is our secured router.

00:06:27.720 Right.

00:06:28.760 OK.

00:06:30.400 Signal itself has an interesting background.

00:06:33.100 It was developed by an organization called Open Whisper Systems.

00:06:38.780 They received millions of dollars in government funds.

00:06:41.840 Wait a minute.

00:06:43.120 What?

00:06:43.980 They received millions of dollars in government funds to create signal.

00:06:49.780 The funds flowed from.

00:06:51.560 Wait for this one.

00:06:52.980 The Open Technology Fund, a government organization that was created back in 2012 under the Obama administration.

00:07:01.480 Under Radio Free Asia.

00:07:04.860 Now, Radio Free Asia.

00:07:07.160 What is that?

00:07:08.000 That's a message into China saying, hey, things aren't really like they're telling you.

00:07:13.280 Why did the CIA, through Radio Free Asia, create signal, something that has nothing to do with broadcasting information into China?

00:07:24.660 Right.

00:07:25.480 And where did Radio Free Asia?

00:07:27.500 Have we heard about that in the last two weeks?

00:07:29.480 Yes, the Trump administration just closed Radio Free Asia, Radio Free Europe, because they said they were direct weapons of the CIA during the Cold War, and then it is morphed into a direct weapon against us.

00:07:44.940 OK, so the connection between the CIA and organizations like Radio Free Europe and Asia is well documented.

00:07:54.500 And then they take funding through Radio Free Asia, and they develop something with government money that the CIA is involved in and create the signal messaging app.

00:08:07.320 And then that same CIA, which we now know has been doing things to create revolutions, not only around the world, but inside the United States, and they are desperate to hold on to power.

00:08:22.280 They install that signal app.

00:08:24.820 OK, all right.

00:08:28.580 Also, another coincidence, WikiLeaks published Vault 7 that stated the CIA had tools that let them access signal and WhatsApp.

00:08:40.040 Tucker Carlson went through this.

00:08:41.960 Remember when he said, I've been hacked?

00:08:43.820 My signal messages were hacked by the NSA.

00:08:47.400 Now, maybe it was random luck for Goldberg.

00:08:49.560 You know, a major opposition journalist randomly got into the government cabinet level signal group chat.

00:08:56.840 OK, and maybe the CIA no longer infiltrates the media anymore like they did in the 60s.

00:09:02.740 And maybe they no longer infiltrate U.S. private companies anymore like they did in the 60s.

00:09:08.160 And maybe they don't surveil presidential campaigns anymore like they did to Barry Goldwater or RFK or forget about this one.

00:09:16.640 The one they did to Donald Trump.

00:09:19.140 Maybe that was the exception.

00:09:22.160 And it's also probably just a big coincidence that the intelligence community apparently thought so highly of the signal app that they immediately rushed to install it on every device when we're worried about leaks.

00:09:35.980 And they did it for everyone in the government.

00:09:38.780 You want to have any secret conversations that will disappear here?

00:09:41.440 Put it on this device.

00:09:42.700 And by the way, we can't get into it.

00:09:44.300 Nobody can.

00:09:46.640 And maybe all of this is a coincidence that this story was released the day before the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence met for hearings.

00:09:56.520 I mean, what a perfect storm of good luck for those who stand against freedom.

00:10:05.400 I'm not sure it has anything at all to do that this story dominated the entire hearing or how it caused even conservatives to claim that the Trump administration has committed a huge mistake.

00:10:19.840 And maybe it did, but there are too many smoking guns around this one to take it at face value.

00:10:27.860 And I'm not really saying this to you as much as I'm saying this to the president of the United States and the administration.

00:10:33.160 You must find out, did did did Walsh actually accidentally fat finger and put the Atlantic journalist on that?

00:10:45.460 What actually happened?

00:10:47.480 And it is important for the administration to not use the WhatsApp because that is a false sense of security.

00:10:57.080 You may not be feeding our enemies overseas, but you may very well be feeding our enemies that are not foreign, but domestic.

00:11:07.980 I think we should all be careful on what's happening here.

00:11:13.600 We brought Jason Buttrill in.

00:11:15.500 He is a military and global affairs expert, and he is also the head writer of the Glenn Beck TV program.

00:11:23.240 Welcome.

00:11:23.800 How are you, Jason?

00:11:24.700 Good, Glenn.

00:11:25.120 Thanks.

00:11:26.380 So your thoughts on this?

00:11:28.780 I think that the so to clarify some of the CIA connections through Signal, what's interesting is just like USA,

00:11:36.080 they don't like publicly state, oh, the CIA is using USA to pull off soft power and regime change things all over the world.

00:11:44.720 It's equally fuzzy as far as how much funding and direction they're giving organizations like Radio Free Asia, Radio Free Europe.

00:11:54.820 Back in the day, it was not fuzzy at all.

00:11:56.580 It was well documented.

00:11:57.740 Then when they changed it and they did a lot of manipulation around, we're not exactly sure how involved the CIA is.

00:12:06.280 It doesn't matter as long as they have a back door.

00:12:10.080 And what Mike Wall said on NBC the other day, I don't know this for sure, but what he said on NBC,

00:12:17.540 and let me see if I can find this exact quote here, he said, a staffer wasn't responsible.

00:12:27.180 You have somebody else's number on somebody else's contact.

00:12:30.700 So, of course, I didn't see this guy in the group.

00:12:34.000 It looked like someone else.

00:12:36.000 Now, whether he did it, a staffer, deliberately, or it happened in some other technical mean is something we're trying to figure out.

00:12:44.280 What he's saying is the CIA might have just gone in because they have full access and they could change things.

00:12:51.180 They could make one number look like another person, and they could have added it, and nobody would have known.

00:12:58.120 And there's no fingerprints because it's the CIA, and they have access into that app.

00:13:03.740 Yeah.

00:13:03.880 Let me put it into this context.

00:13:05.980 Imagine it's not the government for just a second.

00:13:08.240 Imagine if you work at a company, and the company who is known to use your emails and all that stuff against you,

00:13:15.200 let's just say there's, I don't know, some kind of employment issue, and they pull up your email.

00:13:19.940 Or maybe they pull up some text messages.

00:13:22.080 If they said, you must put this app on all of your phones, would you be suspicious about that?

00:13:27.300 Would you think that – and I say that because, personally, I've worked for a company in the past

00:13:32.300 where they were like, you have to use a phone that has this protocol on it.

00:13:37.140 And I was like, that's weird.

00:13:38.260 Like, why do I have to use this phone?

00:13:40.080 I want to use another phone.

00:13:41.160 No, you have to use this phone that has this protocol on it.

00:13:43.800 Well, I asked one of our IT guys later – again, this is another company.

00:13:47.480 I went back and he goes, oh, well, let me show you why.

00:13:48.940 He took me back to the servers, and he pulled up a folder on every single person in the company that worked there.

00:13:54.300 He clicked into it, and it gave him access to every single person's phone.

00:13:57.620 He could read their text messages.

00:13:58.820 He could see the photographs.

00:14:00.640 He could see everything.

00:14:02.000 This is very obvious, basic stuff if you know about IT and mobile stuff in general or how exchange services work.

00:14:10.380 Now, in that context, does this make any sense?

00:14:14.620 Does it make any sense that the government, the people that are supposed to be the most suspicious,

00:14:18.800 the CIA, NSA, all those people, just blanket trust this phone application?

00:14:25.600 It makes no sense.

00:14:26.980 I wonder why you would use it.

00:14:28.240 Even if they did put it on your phone, why would you ever use it, right?

00:14:30.980 I would be very suspicious of that arrangement.

00:14:33.200 Why wouldn't you say, hey, DARPA, just create for us a private encrypted messaging system?

00:14:37.900 And we have one.

00:14:39.020 We have one, Jason.

00:14:40.200 We do have one.

00:14:40.940 Also, the policy to make sure that Signal is on all devices for government officials, that goes back to a CISA recommendation.

00:14:53.680 Can you just remind people who the CISA is, Jason?

00:14:58.900 Oh, what's it stand for?

00:14:59.980 Hang on, let me pull it up real quick.

00:15:01.220 I don't remember what it stands for either.

00:15:03.920 It's cybersecurity, basically.

00:15:05.660 Yeah, it's the cybersecurity arm that was put together under the Biden administration that we have found is absolutely nefarious.

00:15:17.260 They were the ones that were spearheading a lot of the spying, a lot of the disinformation.

00:15:23.660 They were the ones working directly with the big social apps to force them and say, hey, hey, hey, stop with this.

00:15:34.440 Their fingerprints are all over almost everything that is bad.

00:15:39.000 They're not protecting the American people.

00:15:42.220 They are monitoring and and hoaxing the American people. 0.81

00:15:47.840 Why would we why would we trust Signal if if they're the ones that said, oh, yeah, no, you can trust it.

00:15:54.920 Go ahead.

00:15:55.240 Yeah, you bring up a big point, cybersecurity and infrastructure security agency.

00:15:59.020 They're the ones that were outed big time expose by Michael Schellenberger, who are right at the center of the censorship regime,

00:16:06.720 going through social media posts and getting people banned during the Biden administration.

00:16:11.640 Just absolutely amazing.

00:16:13.480 You don't trust it.

00:16:14.820 No, no government official.

00:16:16.180 And I don't think you should either.

00:16:17.880 You should ever use Signal.

00:16:19.140 It's clearly a government sponsored or government collusion or government hacked app.

00:16:28.780 Don't trust it.

00:16:29.660 In your opinion.

00:16:31.100 In my opinion.

00:16:32.480 Thank you, Steve.

00:16:33.200 In my opinion.

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00:17:47.220 We welcome our executive producer, Stu Bergeer, and Shane Stevens, the grandson of Billy Solestas.

00:17:55.820 Hello, Shane.

00:17:56.380 How are you?

00:17:57.840 I'm wonderful.

00:17:58.860 How are you?

00:17:59.860 I'm good.

00:18:00.400 It was interesting, and I don't mean that in a bad way.

00:18:02.760 It was really interesting meeting you when we got together to listen to the tape.

00:18:07.760 Your story of your grandfather, I still don't know if I fully understand it, but it is fascinating

00:18:15.200 what you and your family have gone through, beginning with your grandfather.

00:18:19.600 Can you begin to tell me first who your grandfather is or was and what happened to him?

00:18:28.300 Absolutely.

00:18:28.780 Yeah, so my grandfather was Billy Solestas, and the Estas family that goes back to, you

00:18:35.140 know, 1800s, they were co-founders of the town of Clyde, Texas, and still have a farm out

00:18:42.780 there to this day as part of their original homestead.

00:18:46.480 And, you know, he grew up poor with a bunch of brothers and sisters in Clyde, and he was

00:18:52.040 given, I think, a pig for his maybe eighth or ninth birthday.

00:18:55.160 And then that turned into a whole flock of lambs by the time he was 12 or 13.

00:19:00.860 Then at 16, he had a huge herd of cattle.

00:19:03.180 And, you know, he basically just always had a business mind and wanted to be something.

00:19:09.400 And he started, I think it was Roosevelt, perhaps, that he was sending letters to about the grain

00:19:16.220 shortages and the droughts in Texas.

00:19:17.980 And so he helped auction that off and just he became one of the top 10 outstanding young

00:19:25.620 men under the U.S. Chamber of Commerce by the time he was in his mid-20s.

00:19:31.260 And then by the time 1960 or 62 rolled around, he was worth $400 million.

00:19:38.440 So he built an empire out in West Texas and started, came from nothing and, you know, sadly

00:19:45.200 ended up passing away with nothing because it was all taken away.

00:19:49.920 And let's go into that before we go into the story of the tape and the assassination.

00:19:53.600 Let's go into that.

00:19:54.660 Your grandfather ended up going to prison.

00:19:57.740 Why did he go to prison?

00:19:58.960 So that was a trial to where in the early 60s, you had two big scandals going.

00:20:07.560 One was the Billy Saul-Esta scandal and the other one was the Bobby Baker scandal, both

00:20:12.000 of them surrounding LBJ.

00:20:14.580 And there were a lot of other folks involved in pay-to-play with LBJ here in Texas.

00:20:19.960 But these were the two that the Kennedys and really, I think Bobby is AG and JFK were focused

00:20:27.640 in on.

00:20:28.920 And so they sent somewhere between 50 and 60 FBI agents down to look into my granddad and

00:20:36.880 his dealings with LBJ.

00:20:40.440 And it really circled around a couple of things.

00:20:43.220 One was cotton allotments.

00:20:45.040 And then the second one was grain storage contracts.

00:20:48.300 And kind of tied in with that were these anahydrous ammonia storage tanks that was a big new deal

00:20:55.300 at the time.

00:20:55.880 Okay, so to not get into all the details, was your grandfather guilty of any kind of stuff

00:21:03.920 with LBJ?

00:21:06.440 Yes, he was as far as he had given LBJ a lot of money.

00:21:10.980 And then they had back-end deals to where LBJ would get, say, 10% of a business.

00:21:18.260 Okay.

00:21:18.560 And that would go to him.

00:21:20.560 And so, you know, it's nothing that doesn't happen today.

00:21:24.360 You know, it still happens on a huge level.

00:21:26.700 Yeah.

00:21:26.960 But he was certainly guilty of that.

00:21:29.320 So the Kennedys were after really LBJ, not your grandfather, but the closest they could

00:21:37.940 get to LBJ was your grandfather, right?

00:21:40.360 And along with others.

00:21:41.460 And why were the Kennedys so intent on this?

00:21:48.700 Because LBJ was the vice president.

00:21:51.480 Yeah, they brought LBJ on, not because they wanted to, but because they knew that he could

00:21:58.820 carry the vote in the southern states.

00:22:01.380 And they needed those votes.

00:22:03.220 So that was part of their goal of getting into the White House.

00:22:05.880 And once they got in, the corruption and kind of the evil of Lyndon was a huge concern to

00:22:13.480 them.

00:22:13.720 They wanted him off of the ticket.

00:22:15.920 So they went after him.

00:22:18.820 They were about to do a big publicity release on LBJ talking about the scandals he was involved

00:22:26.280 in to start to destroy his character and force him out if he wouldn't willingly step out.

00:22:32.100 And it's kind of amazing that you would say destroy his character, because as we know now,

00:22:37.400 maybe not then, this guy was really bad.

00:22:40.580 I mean, really bad. 0.63

00:22:41.640 He was a huge racist who gets credit for, you know, the civil rights movement and everything 0.86

00:22:48.360 else. 0.99

00:22:49.380 He was not a civil rights leader in the least, and a big racist, and really a dirty guy. 0.87

00:22:59.060 Yeah, in fact, there's stories that I really don't even want, we can't talk about here.

00:23:05.160 But in person, I could share about MLK and some things that potentially happened there and

00:23:10.760 how that got out of control.

00:23:13.680 But he was, he was about it for the votes and preserving the Democratic Party.

00:23:20.260 And it was not based on his personal belief on the civil rights activity.

00:23:25.060 However, my granddad was absolutely all about civil rights and helping there.

00:23:31.840 Okay, so Shane, your grandfather is now taking the heat.

00:23:38.320 He goes to jail for LBJ.

00:23:40.680 When does he make this tape?

00:23:44.220 And who is he talking to?

00:23:47.240 Perfect.

00:23:47.920 Yeah, so it was around, I think, 71, 72, when he got out.

00:23:53.500 And there's a very short timeline in which it could have been done.

00:23:57.140 And he was talking with Cliff Carter or Clifton Carter.

00:24:01.420 And he's worth listening up.

00:24:02.720 And who's Cliff Carter?

00:24:04.080 So Cliff Carter was LBJ's right-hand man.

00:24:07.140 I'm talking back to the 40s when LBJ ran this, I think it was like Young Men's Youth Association

00:24:14.920 or something along those lines.

00:24:17.260 Cliff Carter worked for him there.

00:24:18.900 Cliff Carter took over that organization when LBJ went on to run for office.

00:24:24.560 And then once LBJ got in office, then Cliff Carter ended up coming to him after he served

00:24:29.600 in the military for a while.

00:24:31.820 And then he was basically his bag man, which means he would go collect the money from people.

00:24:38.120 He was his right-hand man on all aspects of getting things done.

00:24:46.160 He was kind of his lieutenant, I guess you could say, on making things happen.

00:24:51.420 And then he went on to run the DNC for a while in the 60s.

00:24:56.320 And at the time of this tape in 71, 72, my granddad had gotten out of prison, let's say,

00:25:02.800 in July of that year.

00:25:05.220 Well, Cliff died perhaps in October or November of that year.

00:25:09.800 What we'd always heard is Cliff Carter died three days after this tape was recorded.

00:25:17.920 And I always thought that was suspect.

00:25:19.640 But after looking up these timelines of when my granddad got out of prison and when Cliff

00:25:23.580 Carter passed away, I'm like, well, worst case scenario, it was within a couple few months.

00:25:28.360 So tell me about what's on the tape now.

00:25:34.660 All right.

00:25:35.440 Well, as you go through, I mean, these guys are talking as simple and plain as day.

00:25:40.420 And I remember the first time I heard it, it took my breath away.

00:25:45.020 And I probably had some tears because it was just as blatant, frank, open, simple dialogue

00:25:53.560 as if it had been discussed a thousand times before about how LBJ was involved and behind

00:25:59.640 and a key central figure in the assassination of the president.

00:26:03.680 And then they go on to say, well, could it have been handled any other way after all the

00:26:07.520 embarrassment he had suffered from LBJ and what the Kennedys were trying to do?

00:26:11.860 And I'm like, well, no, no, he couldn't have beat them.

00:26:14.440 And there's no way he's going to get back on the ticket.

00:26:16.320 So he, I guess, to accomplish his goals, he had to do what he had to do.

00:26:21.320 And then, you know, they go through and talk about some other kind of interesting figures

00:26:26.080 and characters within it that I've dug into and found some fascinating connections with

00:26:31.380 as well.

00:26:33.080 But there's a lot.

00:26:35.180 There's a mention of an assassin.

00:26:40.000 Yes.

00:26:41.200 Tell me what that's about.

00:26:43.220 So I talk about Malcolm Wallace and Mac Wallace, Mike Wallace, it can be, you know, multiple

00:26:51.640 different names, but again, easy to look up him and his history of, let's say it was in

00:26:58.540 the, you know, forties, fifties, something along those lines.

00:27:03.160 LBJ's sister, Josefa, was dating at Doug Kinzer.

00:27:07.380 And Doug Kinzer was a, I think he was a golf pro and at University of Texas or something

00:27:13.340 along those lines, some golf course here.

00:27:15.740 And Mac Wallace had been a very high performing individual, I think at UT.

00:27:22.140 But whatever reason, Mac Wallace went and I'd heard it was because Doug Kinzer was beaten

00:27:28.940 up on Josefa or he had too much information about LBJ.

00:27:32.280 But Mac Wallace went and killed him.

00:27:34.700 I mean, just blatant, open, killed him in front of folks, got arrested and went to trial,

00:27:40.320 only got sentenced to five years.

00:27:42.440 And then LBJ immediately ensured that that sentence was adjudicated and he did not serve

00:27:47.360 time for cold-blooded murder.

00:27:49.960 And after that, LBJ had Mac Wallace as his guy.

00:27:54.560 You're listening to the best of the Glenn Beck Program.

00:27:58.720 Welcome to the Glenn Beck Program.

00:28:00.460 We're spending more time on the JFK files than the show that I did last night, just because

00:28:06.880 I think it tells you everything you need to know about what's happening today.

00:28:10.580 And you won't understand that until you really watch the show.

00:28:13.120 But it is, I think this is a direct replay of what happened during the Kennedy times and

00:28:19.380 possibly what happened during Nixon's tenure and what's happening right now to Donald Trump.

00:28:26.700 And it is so important that you understand this because you will understand why people are

00:28:31.420 protesting in the streets, why this non-grassroots or, as Nancy Pelosi would say, astroturf protests

00:28:40.980 are coming up so quickly and so oddly with something like USAID.

00:28:49.000 You'll figure that out as you watch this special last night.

00:28:53.040 But at the end of the special, and it's only available on Blaze TV right now, is when I

00:28:59.420 went out and fired an exact copy of, what's his name, Oswald's gun.

00:29:07.840 Same gun.

00:29:08.980 We don't know of another one like it because it has the exact same modifications that Oswald

00:29:15.960 made to his, and we shot the exact same bullets, the rounds.

00:29:21.760 These were about $40 a piece because they were antique.

00:29:26.960 We, I mean, we literally went and got the same bullets from the same batch to see what

00:29:33.100 would happen.

00:29:34.220 We made a few shots with that and then the gun, the firing pin went bad.

00:29:38.820 So I had to switch guns, but it's the same kind of thing.

00:29:41.800 And I think I had a harder shot than even, uh, Oswald did and you'll see what happened.

00:29:47.760 But where we did this was up the side-by-side ranch.

00:29:51.320 Um, this is in Oklahoma and it is an unbelievable shooting ranch.

00:29:56.220 I mean, it's just, uh, I mean, I, I was up there and I said to Scott, the owner, I said,

00:30:01.100 I, I think, I think, I think I'd like to live here.

00:30:03.820 Uh, quite honestly, it is an unbelievable place.

00:30:06.560 If you're into shooting or anything else, you, you should check this out.

00:30:09.240 Um, but Scott is the owner of it.

00:30:11.580 Now, let me just tell you who he is first.

00:30:13.460 So before, before we talk to him, he began shooting at seven because his dad was a member

00:30:20.460 of the air force competitive trap team.

00:30:23.180 Uh, and he was a great trap shooter and ductee of the California state trap hall of fame,

00:30:29.260 blah, blah, blah.

00:30:29.760 He was also a professional coach and instructor.

00:30:31.820 He was the first team captain for team USA in 1985.

00:30:36.500 Now his son, uh, becomes a competitive shooter.

00:30:40.760 This Scott, I'm introducing you to here in a second.

00:30:43.360 He was a professional shooter for Beretta firearms for 28 years.

00:30:47.660 I've seen him do his exhibition events.

00:30:51.400 And they are, I mean, it's almost like, uh, Annie Oakley where you throw a quarter up and

00:30:55.540 he shoots it.

00:30:56.180 I mean, he does that.

00:30:58.240 Um, he's in the sporting clays hall of fame, won over 14 national championships.

00:31:03.520 Uh, he is the current national record holder in the small gauge champion, eight world champions,

00:31:09.960 uh, championships named to all 54 American teams in trap.

00:31:14.360 He's also the only competitive clay target athlete in the history of American sporting

00:31:19.260 clays, 25 years running to average over 90% consistently.

00:31:23.760 The guy is really good, but what has he done with his life?

00:31:28.100 I don't know.

00:31:28.880 Not much.

00:31:29.800 Here's Scott Robertson.

00:31:31.100 Scott, welcome to the program.

00:31:33.200 Thanks, Glenn.

00:31:33.780 Thanks for having me.

00:31:34.800 First of all, you're, you're too good of a shot to have sat in that tractor pulling that

00:31:40.040 vehicle that I was shooting at to recreate, uh, uh, the, uh, the Oswald shot.

00:31:46.600 I don't know why you did that.

00:31:48.460 We were asking, can you want to get some more, a longer chain?

00:31:51.500 Cause I don't know.

00:31:52.220 Uh, and, uh, and you didn't, but thank you for pulling the, the tractor, uh, and pulling

00:31:58.900 that car.

00:31:59.640 Tell me about the shot.

00:32:01.380 Go ahead.

00:32:02.720 Well, Glenn, we got to give your audience a little context, right?

00:32:05.880 I mean, you don't have me on because I'm a good shooter.

00:32:08.200 You mainly have me on cause I'm the only one crazy enough to actually get in the tractor.

00:32:12.720 Um, you know, I, you know, the reason I'm here really is because I do have a gun club

00:32:18.620 about an hour from blaze or excuse me, a mile from blaze studios.

00:32:22.360 And I'm the guy that you call when you have one of those harebrained ideas.

00:32:27.780 I mean, if you remember a couple of years ago, remember you came with the gun chainsaw,

00:32:32.780 multi-purpose, whatever that zombie.

00:32:35.220 Yeah.

00:32:36.200 Right.

00:32:36.620 Yeah.

00:32:36.900 So, you know, and then, you know, last week, my, my GM, who happens to be my best friend

00:32:42.820 says, Hey, Glenn's guys called and they want to recreate the JFK deal.

00:32:47.800 And I went, Oh crap.

00:32:49.600 You know, Glenn, you're that friend that when people call, you're like, how much time and 0.95

00:32:54.240 money?

00:32:57.440 Sorry.

00:32:58.140 I'm sorry, Scott.

00:32:59.480 I'm sorry.

00:33:00.220 Glenn up to now.

00:33:01.220 So, you know, Jason calls and we have three days to recreate the deal and come up with

00:33:06.780 an elevated platform.

00:33:08.280 Glenn wants a moving target, you know, it has to, but you're left-handed and a right-handed

00:33:14.340 gun.

00:33:14.720 And I mean, I'm like, Oh my God.

00:33:16.200 So, you know, when Jason gets up there earlier, he says, well, how long is your chain?

00:33:21.360 I said, well, I don't know when we could put some together.

00:33:24.140 So I put the 20 foot, you know, a bat wing on the tractor and then a 20 foot chain. 1.00

00:33:29.820 And he goes, I don't know that that's long enough.

00:33:31.560 So we had another chain and with the angle, I couldn't hardly get it long enough.

00:33:36.120 But I know, I mean, that last shot, I mean, if I were a bad shot, the last shot, I mean,

00:33:43.300 it was, it was not good for you.

00:33:45.480 Let's put it that way.

00:33:46.980 Well, I just want you to know when you turn to the staff and you say, Hey, what do you

00:33:52.020 guys think about this?

00:33:52.940 When they pause, that's pretty much them saying to their boss, boss, this is a really 0.99

00:33:59.960 dumb idea. 0.99

00:34:02.180 Okay. 0.98

00:34:02.800 I just, I just want you to think about that.

00:34:05.120 But as it, but as it turns out, yeah, right.

00:34:08.620 Let's say Glenn, that sounds great.

00:34:10.440 That's them saying, this is really a bad idea.

00:34:13.480 So, but as it turned out, it wasn't, was it?

00:34:16.880 Well, look, I want you to know, I want you to know, I am proud of you because, you know,

00:34:22.300 you always say, do your own homework.

00:34:24.260 And from the last time I saw you shoot a couple of years ago at the range, you have been doing

00:34:29.580 your homework and I, I am sincerely impressed because, you know, Pete, this was, you know,

00:34:38.560 those shots that we did, first of all, you did prove that the shot can be made.

00:34:43.580 I mean, I, I didn't think it could be before you did it.

00:34:46.300 And so I think, you know, we could, we proved that the shot could be made.

00:34:50.380 I don't know.

00:34:52.220 I'm still not convinced that's how it went down, but that's my own, that's my own.

00:34:56.180 Right.

00:34:56.600 But, but I do, but I, we did rule this out because I, I have heard my whole life that,

00:35:01.320 oh, it's a very difficult shot.

00:35:02.720 It probably, no, I mean, very few people could make that shot.

00:35:05.600 I made that shot.

00:35:06.580 And I think the shot I made was more difficult.

00:35:09.660 We had the wind against us and we also, it wasn't a paved street.

00:35:13.700 The car was on that truck was bumping, going up and down all the time.

00:35:17.280 That was a difficult shot.

00:35:18.660 And I, I don't consider myself a decent shooter on, uh, with rifles and scopes.

00:35:23.740 Well, I will tell you, I, I am impressed because I'm, first of all, I'm in this tractor

00:35:29.760 and I'm thinking, I'm not sure this is a good idea.

00:35:33.180 Now you gotta understand.

00:35:34.160 I do lots of sketchy stuff.

00:35:35.920 You know, I shoot one handed off a bike and do all kinds of crazy stuff.

00:35:39.920 Pogo stick. 0.68

00:35:40.880 You can get it.

00:35:41.660 And right.

00:35:42.280 You know, so if I'm a little nervous, that's pretty, that's pretty sketchy.

00:35:46.820 And so you're up on this tower with six or eight people, you know, I have this truck that

00:35:52.600 has this big lift and it's wobbly.

00:35:54.580 So you're the, and you know, then the radio and the, and Jason's like, well, the range

00:36:00.100 is hot.

00:36:00.480 And I'm looking at what seems to be down a barrel of a, you know, high-powered rifle with

00:36:05.000 you up there with the boy, this is a, okay.

00:36:08.440 I'm really hoping again, Glenn's been practicing, but anyway, I'm pulling this truck at 11 miles

00:36:15.240 an hour and it's in one of my fields.

00:36:17.820 So it's bouncing up and down.

00:36:19.500 Those balloons had to be bouncing probably 10 to 12 inches, you know, high and I'm thinking

00:36:25.380 we are going to have to do this 10 times today, right?

00:36:29.920 This is going to take 10 takes.

00:36:31.320 This is, and then I look back and I see the first balloon explode and I'm like, well, good

00:36:36.320 for you, Glenn, you got one.

00:36:37.700 Okay.

00:36:38.140 You know, we can always go to B roll and then you hit the next balloon and then the truck

00:36:43.280 is bouncing like crazy because there's a lag between the second shot and the third shot.

00:36:47.780 And I'm thinking, wow.

00:36:49.740 And then I see the third, you know, balloon explode and I'm like, I am not believing this.

00:36:55.520 I mean, I, I, I'm impressed.

00:36:57.560 It's, it's not an easy shot, but even more the way that we had to do it with the moving

00:37:04.280 vehicle and up and down.

00:37:07.080 So I think we both can say if I could do that, Oswald, the only thing he had that I didn't

00:37:14.940 have was the pressure of killing the president, all the nerves, but I'm also left-handed, right-handed

00:37:21.220 gun.

00:37:21.960 Uh, you know, we had other things going on that I think balance things out.

00:37:25.380 So I really believe he could have made the shot.

00:37:27.720 Now tell what we found at the end that bothered you that you brought up.

00:37:33.640 Well, I, what was interesting is, is the grouping in the front windshield.

00:37:39.660 So the bullet went back, it went through the balloon, which represented, you know, the target

00:37:45.880 and then went through the windshield or excuse me, the back glass.

00:37:50.060 And then all three bullets lodged in a very small group in the front windshield.

00:37:56.480 And so what first thing I thought was interesting is how offset it was.

00:38:03.140 It wasn't on the right side of the car.

00:38:05.120 It was on the left side of the car.

00:38:06.360 Right.

00:38:06.860 So that was, that was just interesting with the angle because we pretty much had the exact

00:38:11.340 angles that, that it would have been in downtown Dallas that day.

00:38:15.660 The other thing that I found interesting was that even though the truck was moving and

00:38:22.280 there was a distance, we had, we had the balloons lined up in such a way to represent

00:38:27.520 stagnant in the car.

00:38:30.600 And what was interesting was that all of the bullets landed in the front windshield in a

00:38:35.540 small enough group that really answered, asked more questions than we answered.

00:38:40.560 Right.

00:38:41.180 Like, why was the guy in the, in the, in the, why was the driver not hit?

00:38:45.380 Why was the passenger not hit more than one time?

00:38:48.280 Right.

00:38:48.720 So a lot of these things were weird.

00:38:51.540 And so it really, the, the way it came out with us, the, the driver should have been killed.

00:38:57.180 The driver absolutely should have been at least hit, but could have been killed.

00:39:01.000 It would have at least the way we did it.

00:39:03.120 It was too high up because we weren't six stories up.

00:39:05.780 We were about two.

00:39:07.280 And so it would have gone into his back instead of where we had, it would have been gone right

00:39:13.760 through his head.

00:39:14.440 Um, but I, I went through the Warren commission and it said that, you know, the first bullet

00:39:21.500 landed in the street someplace.

00:39:23.520 It was such a bad shot.

00:39:24.980 It didn't even enter the car, just landed in the street.

00:39:27.520 And the kid was, uh, hit by a piece of the curb, uh, that broke off and hit him.

00:39:32.900 Um, and the, the, the, the headshot, uh, they say that, um, the headshot, the bullet completely

00:39:42.820 disintegrated and broke up.

00:39:44.500 So they've never found any pieces of that bullet.

00:39:47.720 Is that even possible?

00:39:50.760 No, I, well, no, one, one of these days you should research the bill Cooper video.

00:39:57.340 That's the one that makes more logical sense to me.

00:40:01.120 Um, but you know, that's a whole nother conspiracy.

00:40:05.140 But if you, if you, if you, if you watch that video, it does make more sense that he was

00:40:09.060 actually shot with a CIA air pistol.

00:40:11.440 And, you know, there was also poison in the bullet.

00:40:14.800 That's why they had to change the brain out in Dallas. 0.96

00:40:16.740 So, you know, that I kind of come up more in, in that deal, but the, but the real question

00:40:22.680 when you start looking at the ballistics of it is when you shot that shot, the first shot

00:40:29.540 being a miss, I don't really buy that because how does a guy make two shots in a head at

00:40:37.860 twice the distance of the first shot. And the first shot is not done because that first shot,

00:40:43.760 you have to admit that was probably the easiest shot, right?

00:40:47.320 Oh, it was easy. Yeah. I was more concerned about the other one. It was at a steeper angle.

00:40:51.680 I mean, it was difficult a hundred percent. And so if, if Oswald is good enough to hit

00:40:57.500 the president one in the neck and one in the head, you're telling me that he's going to

00:41:02.920 completely miss the car when in your scope, all you would see is car. It doesn't

00:41:07.840 make any sense. No. Right. So it's, it's, it's kind of hard to believe that the first

00:41:12.780 shot was a miss. I don't, I, you know, and then when we start looking at the angles and

00:41:17.700 the ballistics of what we did, I, I have to ask more questions because it just doesn't

00:41:22.980 make any sense. It, it, you don't have a miss and then you have two good shots like

00:41:27.340 that. And then the angle of it, you know, how is the passenger hit, not the driver, you

00:41:33.040 know, it's just, it's just a lot of questions there.

00:41:35.440 So Scott, I, uh, I, I've only got less than a minute here. I just want to say, you know,

00:41:40.960 and you might say, I, uh, I'm not sure that's a really good idea, but I I'd like to recreate

00:41:47.300 the, uh, Butler shooting. Um, because that just seems like the easiest shot of all time compared

00:41:55.140 to, uh, compared to, uh, Oswald, that seems simple. Really simple. Not only simple is

00:42:02.020 it, is the Butler shooting. I would, I, yes, I would like to do that with you because I

00:42:07.100 think we're going to find in Butler that we could take anybody off the street and they 0.99

00:42:12.820 would make that shot 99 times out of a hundred. Yep. Okay. Scott, thank you so much. I appreciate

00:42:19.360 it. Uh, he is the, uh, owner of Elm Fork shooting sports, uh, and also side-by-side

00:42:25.080 ranch, founder and co-owner. And I, I just can't thank you enough. Scott, we'll, we'll

00:42:28.560 talk to you again. Claudia was leaving for her pickleball tournament. I've been visualizing

00:42:34.940 my match all week. She was so focused on visualizing that she didn't see the column

00:42:39.600 behind her car on her backhand side. Good thing Claudia's with Intact, the insurer with

00:42:45.320 the largest network of auto service centers in the country. Everything was taken care of

00:42:49.460 under one roof and she was on her way in a rental car in no time. I made it to my

00:42:53.600 tournament and lost in the first round, but you got there on time. Intact insurance,

00:42:58.920 your auto service ace, certain conditions apply.

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