The Glenn Beck Program - Best of the Program ｜ Guests： Sheriff Mike Smith & Kelly Shackelford

00:00:00.000 Welcome to the program. Today, we talked to a sheriff who's trying to figure out how to deal

00:00:04.980 with a prosecutor that is not exactly living up to his end of the bargain when it comes to

00:00:12.940 stopping crime. We also are in the middle of Supreme Court time, which means that during

00:00:18.360 hour two of this show, and this goes on for a couple more weeks, there are days where the

00:00:24.000 Supreme Court decides they're going to release some opinions, and we got a bunch of them today.

00:00:28.820 Today, we're going to go through that. It kind of happens live on the air during this show,

00:00:32.240 so don't miss it if you can listen to it live, but that's what you're going to hear

00:00:34.740 part of the discussion today, all the Supreme Court stuff that comes down.

00:00:38.200 And then also, we talked to Kelly Shackelford, who helps us go through not only the cases that have

00:00:43.000 been cited, but also the ones that are right around the corner. What do they mean to us and

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00:02:28.200 You're listening to The Best of the Glenn Beck Program.

00:02:32.000 This is the Glenn Beck Program. I want to talk to you about an experience I had last night

00:02:41.940 here in just a couple of towns down from my ranch. I gave a speech on Flag Day. It was amazing.

00:02:56.060 Every year, this town has a flag day ceremony, and people come to it. There were about a thousand

00:03:02.980 people, maybe about 800 people there yesterday, and they did this really moving ceremony. And

00:03:09.880 then I walk out and I talked to them. The first thing I said was, you have to know how unique you

00:03:14.980 are. I'm not sure how many towns across America are having a flag day free. Hey, everybody come to the 0.94

00:03:23.460 high school. I mean, it felt like it was in the Music Man for a while. It was amazing. But in talking

00:03:32.460 to people before the event, I really got the sense that people are changing and are very concerned

00:03:41.600 because, well, let me just talk to the politicians. Look, more and more, it seems like there are two

00:03:49.600 kinds of politicians, and there aren't. There's a big fat middle, but they're not doing much. And it

00:03:56.620 seems like your choice is the burn it down group or the what fire group. If the what fire group is

00:04:08.520 afraid of the burn it down group, you haven't seen anything yet because the left is wanting to burn it

00:04:16.040 down. They just do it wrapped in, you know, in crazy words that make you go, oh, no, no, seriously,

00:04:24.260 they just said they loved America. The burn it down people love America many times love America

00:04:30.820 too, but they think burn it down. And that's the worst idea ever. But unless you stop saying what fire

00:04:37.580 and you actually see what's going on, the burn it down people are going to win

00:04:43.480 because it's happening now in our small towns. It is happening in red state America. Yesterday,

00:04:51.360 I told you about a county that is as red as they come. And yet there is a prosecuting attorney

00:05:01.760 that is changing things not only in his county, but also changing really. I mean, I talked to the

00:05:08.580 sheriff up here and he was concerned. You know, I don't know how many counties away about this other

00:05:14.320 sheriff, you know, like two hours away. He said this guy is influential and he is changing the way law

00:05:22.420 enforcement is happening. The sheriff for Utah County, one of the most conservative counties

00:05:30.960 in the country. Mike Smith is with us now. Hello, Mike. How are you? Good morning. How are you doing?

00:05:40.220 Well, I'm good. I mean, I'm I'm a little concerned because I think this I'm using your county as an

00:05:47.320 example of what's happening all across the country where you don't need Soros coming in and buying

00:05:54.640 everything up. Some Republicans are doing it themselves. Tell me why Utah County of all places

00:06:02.780 is beginning to look a lot like San Francisco. Yeah, and I'm that concerns me as well. That's a

00:06:10.100 that's a really scary statement and sad statement for Utah County because that's not us.

00:06:15.580 And recently we've had a prosecutor take office who who brings these ideals in that that I agree

00:06:23.800 with you. They are Soros based ideas. They're failed. They're failed programs that we've seen over and

00:06:31.460 over again in large Democratic cities that we you know, they use them. Crime rates go up and some for

00:06:39.420 some reason our prosecutor believes that if he brings them here to Utah County, he's going to have a

00:06:44.200 different result. And he just isn't. What is the feeling of the community right now as they see

00:06:50.900 this going on? You know, I can tell you with law enforcement, it's demoralizing. You know, our

00:06:58.140 officers are out. They're working hard for their community. They are there for their citizens. They

00:07:04.580 they love they love their communities. They want to serve them. They want to help them. They they work

00:07:10.820 tirelessly to to to bring crime and to investigate these things. And then they fall on the lap of the

00:07:19.720 prosecutor and nothing happens. And it's demoralizing. And we see victims that are re victimized through

00:07:25.680 these programs. You know, as you look at, you know, Utah County and you look at the Republican Party,

00:07:33.160 and we are very largely Republicans. You know, you look at the Republican platform and the platform itself

00:07:38.860 says swift and certain punishments with just inappropriate penalties are essential deterrence

00:07:43.800 to crime. And victim rights are always superior, superior to criminals rights. And we have a Utah

00:07:50.620 County attorney who doesn't follow that platform yet. He he runs on it. He he is not a Republican.

00:07:58.160 We've seen over the past 20 years from the 90s, or the 30 years, I guess 90s to the early, you know,

00:08:07.320 pre COVID 2020s, a real drop in violent crime. But since at least the last couple of years,

00:08:15.720 we've seen that totally reverse and it has gone up. What what is the cause about it? And what can we do

00:08:19.880 to stop it? You know, there's a there's a ton of things out there that you can say is the cause

00:08:27.240 about it. But to stop it, I think everybody needs to be engaged. You know, as we look at law enforcement,

00:08:33.220 you see this movement across the nation. And it really is a Soros movement, you know, that this

00:08:39.380 all cops are bad. And we're seeing it here in Utah County, we're seeing a county attorney who keeps,

00:08:44.480 you know, pointing a finger at law enforcement saying they're the problem, demoralize law enforcement,

00:08:49.600 you know, there's there's a reason why they're doing that. So for me, I look at the at the

00:08:55.900 situation, you look at our community, and you've got really a small number of law enforcement

00:09:01.020 compared to, you know, the citizens that they're trying to serve. And so for me, the answer is,

00:09:06.520 we're all on the same team here. Let's work together. As citizens, law enforcement, we we are

00:09:13.200 begging for you to be part of our team to help combat crime.

00:09:16.900 Sheriff, I really get the the impression that the people are on your side and on the side of the

00:09:28.180 cops. But these activists and you don't need George Soros, when you got somebody like David Levitt,

00:09:36.240 you've got real problems because he's he's got a family name. He's one of these guys like in Texas,

00:09:42.000 we have the Bushes. He's one of these guys with the name. And so everybody's like, Oh, I know that

00:09:47.600 family, or I know those names. And they're not paying attention to what he's doing. And he's got

00:09:53.400 a good shell game going on as his press conferences, he says, Oh, no, we, you know, we got rid of the

00:09:59.880 special victims unit, which is, you know, on sex crimes and abuse and everything else, the really

00:10:06.980 nasty stuff. We got rid of that, because we found an easier way to do it. You you see that what I've

00:10:15.940 heard, you have never had cartel members in your county. And you have them now and people aren't

00:10:23.600 afraid because they're watching what he's doing in the office. Is all that true?

00:10:28.800 It is, you know, we look at the SVU unit, and he did dismantle it. He, you know, we. So the part of

00:10:38.180 it that I guess is a little untrue is, as a as law enforcement, we still have an SVU unit, you know,

00:10:45.280 we're pressing forward, we push out to our, our employees, our officers, you do your job, do your

00:10:51.840 job, regardless of what David Levitt chooses to do, you do your job, and he can answer to the people for

00:10:57.620 his inaction. So we push forward, he's pulled his prosecutors out of it. You know, it was it's a

00:11:04.340 model that's, that's used across the nation. It, it, it is a model that works. And he, he pulled

00:11:10.640 these prosecutors out. It used to be when you had a sex crime, they would from the minute this crime

00:11:16.340 was reported, and a prosecutor was involved all the way through the process. So that when these came to

00:11:22.620 court, we didn't have a prosecutor who is opening up a folder and looking in the case for the first

00:11:28.320 time, you know, five minutes before it goes to court. And that's what we have. Now we have untrained

00:11:34.040 prosecutors that he's put in these positions that have a stack of cases that they're looking at five

00:11:41.240 minutes before court, and they're not involved in the case. And so you get what you pay for in that

00:11:46.260 scenario. As far as cartels. Oh, go ahead. Go ahead. No, go ahead. As far as cartels go, you know,

00:11:53.920 we have had tough on crime with our, our major crimes task force. We work hard in these cartels,

00:12:01.220 you know, I, some people may get in their mind, Oh, you know, it's, it's drug users. It's you have to

00:12:07.740 realize that cartels operate like fortune 500 companies. And if they're looking at their liabilities,

00:12:14.680 their risks, all these things, okay, I'm looking at an area where, you know what, the risks are low.

00:12:20.660 So business is better here. And so we move business here, we've always been able to,

00:12:25.700 to be really tough on them. And we still are on the law enforcement side, but they're just not getting

00:12:30.740 prosecuted properly. And so the risks are low and they, they flow to where business is good and

00:12:38.140 risks are low. And that's what's happening. I have heard, and I don't know if this is true,

00:12:43.800 that on arrests, some officers are being told that they kind of almost laugh and go like,

00:12:49.980 that's fine. I'll be out soon. I mean, it's starting to sound like New York.

00:12:55.100 Yeah, that that's happening. And even worse than that, we're having, you know, especially when you

00:13:01.020 talk drugs or other things, our officers are arresting people, they're resisting arrest,

00:13:06.360 they're assaulting our officers, and then the county attorney won't prosecute on those crimes.

00:13:12.220 So if you assault a police officer, there's no consequences. And when we ask this,

00:13:18.580 we ask, and this is the response we get, well, it will confuse the jury. And our jaws were just,

00:13:24.720 our jaws are, are dropped and we're going, what are you talking about? Somebody selling crimes in

00:13:29.760 our community, an officer tries to arrest them. They don't want to be arrested. So they fight the

00:13:34.120 officer. How is that confusing to tell a jury?

00:13:40.660 I don't know, but I have to tell you, this is, you know, I've, I've made light of, of this,

00:13:46.760 or I brought this to light to the national audience, because I think this is happening

00:13:52.080 in our communities and people are not aware of it. And you, you don't need George Soros when you have

00:13:59.460 these, um, these Republicans who, I, I don't know what his deal is. I just know he is not the Republican

00:14:10.340 that he makes everybody believe he is. I mean, they're, the whole family has always been squishy.

00:14:16.320 Um, but this, there's something really wrong here. He is, um, taking felonies and pleading them down to

00:14:24.300 misdemeanors. This is going to create a New York city or a San Francisco or Los Angeles kind of

00:14:31.760 crime wave. If it's allowed to continue, am I wrong? No, you're not wrong. And it's, it's,

00:14:39.600 you know, when you, when you talk about taking felonies and bringing them down to misdemeanors,

00:14:43.800 you know, he'll put out this narrative that he's, he's prosecuting the worst. He doesn't do plea

00:14:48.320 deals. Well, he absolutely does. He, he is smoking mirrors. He's doing plea deals before they ever hit

00:14:55.160 the court. He's, he had one of his friend, uh, legislators run a bill. It was a HB 300 a couple

00:15:02.360 of years ago, gave the prosecutor the ability to drop these felonies down. He does it continually.

00:15:09.140 Uh, and so they're, he, he's dealing them away before they ever get to court. You know,

00:15:14.040 he says he doesn't like plea deals. One more, I'm sorry to interrupt, but one more quick question

00:15:20.940 here. Cause I've only got about a 60 seconds. Um, is it true? I saw a case where a grandfather was

00:15:28.480 molesting his granddaughter felony and he decided to drop it down to a misdemeanor because he was

00:15:36.200 concerned what that would do to the grandfather. Is that true? Is that, did I read that case? Right?

00:15:44.040 No, you read it. Right. Unfortunately, that is true. And it's sad. Oh my gosh.

00:15:49.280 You know, I'll tell you what, what do you say about a prosecutor who in a press release

00:15:55.300 makes a statement that the criminal justice system is the greatest threat to American freedom

00:16:00.640 that we've seen in the generation. What do you say about that?

00:16:03.880 He said that he said that

00:16:08.840 and I don't know. I mean, yes, our criminal justice system isn't perfect, but you know,

00:16:19.260 I'd put it up against any system in the world. This is America. And I can't believe he would,

00:16:25.500 he would say something like that.

00:16:27.020 We're talking to Sheriff Mike Smith. Um, thank you very much, Sheriff. I appreciate your honesty

00:16:34.020 on this. Um, I will tell you, look, you have to decide who to vote for, but I'm telling every

00:16:39.400 city in America, you better look at what's going on in your town. It, because it's coming disguised

00:16:47.000 as a Republican and these States are starting to fall one by one. Cause you're not paying attention

00:16:53.840 to what's going on in your own. And, you know, we like to believe that, oh, well, we can trust them.

00:16:59.840 You have to get the word out. People, uh, people are, are not necessarily who you think they are.

00:17:09.620 Uh, and this prosecutor is, uh, extraordinary, in my opinion, extraordinarily dangerous. His name is

00:17:17.440 David Levitt. Uh, and, uh, the whole Levitt thing is, I mean, all of these, all of these

00:17:24.700 institutional families, enough is enough. Enough is enough. 0.73

00:17:33.440 This is the best of the Glenn Beck program.

00:17:47.440 We have at least five Supreme court rulings coming out. Uh, Kelly Shackelford is going to be joining us

00:17:55.660 from a first Liberty coming up in just a minute. He'll tell us what all of these mean and how much

00:18:01.120 they will affect us in our lives. Um, do you ever remember a time like this too, where you,

00:18:06.880 you felt such an impact from the Supreme court on more than one case?

00:18:13.080 Geez. I mean, I, you know, the Obamacare one pops to mind is a big one that we followed so

00:18:18.680 closely for such a, such a long time. This one though, because it's real, that was one case.

00:18:24.360 Yeah. This is this, this is the sort of marquee of the entire Supreme court, right? It's the focus

00:18:30.220 of every single time the Senate looks at a nominee. They're always focused on whether they're going

00:18:37.600 to be for or against Roe versus Wade. That one obviously being there, but there's several other

00:18:42.400 cases, as you mentioned, the one about, uh, guns is a big one in New York. The case about, uh, the,

00:18:48.660 the government's right to regulate power, uh, power plants is a massive one when it comes to global

00:18:54.300 warming and how much you're going to be paying for electricity. We have these, the prayer on the

00:19:00.100 field. One was another big one on religious Liberty. Go ahead. Right. Do you think I'm overstating

00:19:06.260 or, uh, over reading the impact we should ask Kelly this next hour of the EPA one? This seems like

00:19:14.580 almost a, an end run where the, the commerce clause that was decided during the FDR administration

00:19:23.520 was an end run around the constitutional powers that gave the federal government and access to

00:19:30.140 everything in our life. This kind of seems like an end run around that decision in a way, doesn't it?

00:19:37.640 Uh, possibly. Yeah. I could, that could be the way this plays out. Uh, you know, and I, I think,

00:19:42.520 you know, the court is, is, is a more of a focus on our lives than I think the founders really

00:19:48.240 intended. Uh, you know, I don't think that they wanted it, but I mean, it has become the backstop

00:19:53.640 against all sorts of abuses by our government. I mean, uh, you know, the courts as a whole have

00:20:00.180 been the only thing stopping this administration from doing all sorts of crazy things from requiring

00:20:05.280 vaccines, uh, to, um, you know, gosh, I could, we could probably name five or six cases just over

00:20:11.820 the past six months that have been pushed. They've been stopped from doing things. We know when it comes

00:20:19.480 to immigrations, another one where they were just, they would say in the argument, we can't do it.

00:20:23.940 Ourselves. We need congressional support. And then Congress would say, yeah, we were not going

00:20:28.100 to do that. And they'd say, okay, we'll do it ourselves. And luckily the courts have been there

00:20:32.200 to stop it over and over again. They're not perfect, but right now they seem to be the only people in

00:20:38.840 our constitutional framework who care about the constitution.

00:20:45.220 Well, they will get around the constitution. Eventually. I think they're going to declare a

00:20:49.900 national emergency, a climate emergency, or a banking emergency or a energy shortage emergency

00:20:57.280 one way or another emergencies are coming. Um, and that's how you really make an end run around

00:21:02.480 Congress and the Supreme court. Um, let me give you this story from CNBC. Raising children is expensive

00:21:10.040 in the United States and families are feeling the pressure. More than 12.5 million children in the U S

00:21:16.740 live in poverty. Even middle-class families are increasingly struggling to pay for everyday expenses.

00:21:23.740 Yeah. Why is that? The U S department of agriculture has, uh, uh, published a report using 2015 data

00:21:32.880 that estimated expenses of child rearing from birth through the age 17 in a middle income family of

00:21:41.180 two adults and two children. It is 233,610 with inflation. That means it's 286,000, uh, in 2022,

00:21:52.240 but adjusting for inflation, they say may not be enough. Childcare costs have actually outpaced

00:21:59.600 inflation in 2020 childcare expenses rose 5.03% year after year compared to the annual inflation rate of

00:22:08.300 just 1.2 at the time. The fact that, uh, is sending an infant to daycare in many places across the

00:22:16.560 country could be significantly more expensive than in-state public tuition to send them to college.

00:22:24.180 The United States has been very reluctant, very conservative when it comes to these kinds of

00:22:29.380 family policies. One of the issues with childcare is the U S isn't, or is a patchwork system.

00:22:37.600 Huh? We have programs that fully subsidize eligible children. We have tax credits that subsidize a

00:22:47.420 portion of childcare cost for higher income families. We also have block grants for States to help them

00:22:54.080 expand access. The problem with all these systems is that with this multitude of approaches,

00:22:59.620 we're just not getting close to anything universal or affordable. Okay. So here's CNBC saying,

00:23:07.140 really, we need pre-K money. We need more money and we can't solve this problem state by state. It has to be

00:23:17.000 solved at the federal government. Again, another crisis, the government can take care of. Well,

00:23:25.700 I don't know about you, but I get a little tired of working for everybody else. Um, I pay my fair

00:23:35.080 share. I pay more than my fair share. And, uh, I usually, you know, I've never had a problem paying

00:23:41.360 my taxes because I love the country and I'm willing to help others. I just think that helping others is

00:23:47.840 not doing gender studies. I think helping others is not enforcing, uh, the, uh, idea that our public

00:23:55.820 schools have to have open bathrooms with all of our kids and hide information from us parents. No, 0.97

00:24:03.360 sorry. At what point do you start saying, I'm not really being represented here? Well, you can't

00:24:10.320 because we have representation. You vote for your representative. That's one of the problems with

00:24:17.340 us is we'll hire somebody, but they'll do the exact opposite. Usually now there is a great article in

00:24:27.480 the federalist about the student loan bailout because we saved and behaved responsibly. President Joe

00:24:35.580 Biden will punish us, nor is his plan fair to those who don't go to college. We put five children

00:24:44.560 through college, one still attending. We saved up. We never took out any loans. We didn't want our kids

00:24:50.500 burdened with debt. Our kids went to William and Mary, Mary Washington, Dartmouth, John Hopkins,

00:24:56.620 and the university of Pennsylvania. So far, the total cost of these colleges has been well more than

00:25:03.720 $600,000. Well, last week, Biden forced taxpayers to assume nearly $6 billion in federal student loans

00:25:12.600 for 60, uh, for, uh, 560,000 borrowers. New stories announced the decision on forcing taxpayers to pay

00:25:21.660 off the loan for others. And it appears delayed until closer to the election. While some debt is likely to

00:25:28.740 be paid off by taxpayers, Democrats will probably keep their other borrowers locked in politically by 0.78

00:25:35.540 continuing to freeze repayments and warning that Republicans will end this. Should my wife and I

00:25:42.960 have just borrowed all of this money and sent our kids to public universities? If so, we could add

00:25:48.540 $600,000 to spend on all sorts of other things, nicer cars, houses, fun trips, or we could have given

00:25:56.180 that money to our children and grandchildren when we die to save, to pay for a family's college bills.

00:26:04.120 We always purchased used cars and, you know, and we were, um, a year old when we, when they, uh, we drove

00:26:12.180 them for years. My Ford Taurus lasted 16 years, more than 225,000 miles. My Pontiac transport for my wife

00:26:21.900 lasted almost as long before Russ meant that it could no longer pass the state's yearly safety

00:26:27.540 check. So because we saved up and behaved responsibly, president Biden is going to punish us.

00:26:34.460 Those who didn't save for work, 90, 80 hour weeks who spent their money on other nice things. Instead,

00:26:42.000 now we are paying off and picking up their tab for their kids education. How exactly is that fair?

00:26:49.180 Nor is it fair to those who don't go to college? This is a great article that you really need to read

00:26:56.440 at the Federalist, but I think this is the way a lot of people are going to start to feel as we have

00:27:03.340 shortages ourself and shortages of money. How are people going to deal with the process that we are

00:27:12.560 sending welfare checks, uh, and we're selling or sending food stamps down to the border.

00:27:19.180 When we have hungry people here,

00:27:22.320 by the way, the direct impact, uh, of the, the fed is going to be felt again today. Uh, they are,

00:27:34.260 they are raising the rates of interest. Uh, so anything connected to the interest rates,

00:27:42.420 that's credit cards, adjustable rate mortgages, or, you know, fixed rate mortgages, uh, that you

00:27:50.100 haven't secured yet. All of this will change, uh, today and could change directly. They're trying

00:27:58.260 to cool the economy, which means they're trying to get you to stop buying stuff. Uh, and it's pulling

00:28:06.260 us into a recession, uh, if business investing and consumer spending is slowed too much, but they're

00:28:12.880 going to get it right this time. So what it's going to do is it's going to make borrowing more

00:28:17.720 expensive for companies, higher costs of capital. Um, the, uh, valuation in the stock market is going

00:28:25.300 to get compressed. We've already seen a lot of that happening right now, but this will be increased

00:28:30.700 drag on your 401k or anything that you have. That's a retirement fund. And the problem is,

00:28:39.280 is that we're going up three quarters of a percent. Stu, how much was it for each point

00:28:44.900 just on the federal budgets borrowing? Yes. Rates tick up. Remember? Yeah. It's one,

00:28:51.280 each percentage point costs us another $400 billion per year, which is the equivalent of adding a new

00:28:59.440 defense department every year. Oh my gosh. By adding a point, one point. And it's, it's something

00:29:08.760 like four, so $4 trillion over a decade. And it gets to a point where just the interest, uh, on our

00:29:16.960 national debt becomes the focus of our entire budget. Eventually. I mean, we're not that far away

00:29:23.520 from this becoming really a society that just repays debt rather than actually does the best of the

00:29:32.400 Glenn Beck program. Kelly Shackelford, a very good friend of the program and now a powerhouse to be

00:29:44.080 reckoned with, uh, with, uh, the organization he's the CEO of first Liberty Institute. He is chief

00:29:51.080 counsel of first Liberty Institute as well. Kelly, welcome to the program. Happy to be on Glenn.

00:29:59.160 Thank you. So you've been watching these roll out, uh, from the Supreme court. We had a surprisingly

00:30:04.280 high number today. We had six, uh, different cases. Can you tell me which are the important ones and

00:30:11.200 which actually will affect us? Well, I think for your audience, I doubt very many of them would be

00:30:16.740 of any interest. Uh, I think that's the weird time, Glenn, we've got, uh, you know, uh, a record

00:30:24.660 number. If you look over the past few weeks that have been not issued. I mean, there's only 65 cases

00:30:30.500 this term and we were, we were like 29 or something just a week or so ago, which is, I don't think

00:30:36.180 that's happened since maybe 1950. So, but we're getting closer. We're now down to, I think 17 or 18,

00:30:43.620 but, but all the big ones are left. Uh, the Dobbs case, the second amendment case,

00:30:48.160 the, uh, border case, the remaining Mexico, the two big religious Liberty cases, which are both,

00:30:53.860 uh, our cases at first Liberty. We're waiting for all these big cases. And it looks like they're

00:30:58.780 just going to maybe unleash them all in a very short amount of time close to each other. But, uh,

00:31:04.460 we'll, we'll wait until next week and see what happens next week.

00:31:07.160 So what are the two big religious, um, uh, decisions that are coming? I know coach Kennedy.

00:31:15.900 That's one of them. What's the other one?

00:31:18.220 The other one is a case out of Maine, uh, where they, they had a school choice program where parents

00:31:24.040 could pick any, uh, uh, school that they wanted for their kids, as long as it wasn't religious.

00:31:29.540 And so it was just pure discrimination against all the religious schools. And, uh, I think we're

00:31:36.960 going to win. I mean, the argument went well, uh, but this will be a really big case because it'll

00:31:42.040 make clear nationwide that when you have school choice, uh, which we really should have, um,

00:31:47.860 that you can't exclude the religious schools. Uh, you guys are competing against them like everybody

00:31:52.380 else. And people are going to pick the best education for their children. And, uh, so I think

00:31:57.200 that'll be a really big case. It's sort of almost the final, uh, nail in the coffin on these attempts

00:32:02.600 to discriminate in school choice. And the only step left really will be to get school choice where

00:32:08.700 parents choose, you know, it shouldn't be just rich people get to choose their schools. Everybody

00:32:13.560 should be able to choose what's correct for their kid. If it's their tax money.

00:32:18.480 And, and quite honestly, why should I have to pay two tuitions? I mean, I'm willing to do it to

00:32:25.480 help the kids that, you know, whose parents don't have any money, but you, this should all be choice.

00:32:31.660 And I think those public schools would go out of business quickly. I was, um, in front of an

00:32:37.440 audience, uh, last night, uh, I gave a speech and I was asking the audience some pretty basic

00:32:45.120 questions about America, American history. And I don't know. I think I said three times, uh, from the

00:32:52.980 stage last night, wow, our school system has greatly failed us on these things. Nobody would

00:33:01.020 raise their hand on, on a couple of questions that I thought were fairly easy.

00:33:07.960 Yeah, it's, it's, it's really, I mean, look, and not only are they failing in that way, right? But

00:33:14.560 they're also failing in what they're trying to indoctrinate, you know, third graders and second

00:33:19.520 grade are stuff that parents are just appalled by. And we are all appalled by. So, um, as you said,

00:33:25.880 uh, a number of these schools go out of business. I think a number of those schools would actually

00:33:29.660 have to, you know, start acting like they're in that community and, and they're actually having

00:33:35.580 to be better and they're actually having to be good. And they're actually having to represent the

00:33:39.980 morals and values of their community and not some sort of woke, crazy stuff that they're putting in

00:33:45.140 elementary schools. So I think it would be great in lots of ways. And it's fascinating to me,

00:33:51.000 Glenn, it's one of those issues that, you know, Republicans are heavily in favor of school choice,

00:33:55.740 but so are Democrats. I mean, you know, African American, Hispanic, I mean, these are large

00:34:01.120 percentages and yet they can't get it through because the teachers union has such a lock, um,

00:34:06.620 that they're not voting for something that is very important to most of their people. And so

00:34:11.860 I think this part of why you see sort of this really, uh, fracturing, uh, of a lot of things

00:34:18.080 that we had kind of counted on. I mean, the, there was a district yesterday in Texas,

00:34:21.620 that's 84% Hispanic. They just had a election for Congress. They elected a Republican. You would

00:34:29.340 never see that in the past, but, uh, you know, they're, they're voting their values. And so some

00:34:34.020 of these things are changing, but that, that case I think will be really big. It's called Carson versus

00:34:38.540 Macon. And of course the coach Kennedy case is a huge case. Uh, I just think we've dealt with for

00:34:45.360 50 years, a lot of these bad old decisions that have created this sort of hostility to religion

00:34:50.940 in our schools. And, uh, it shouldn't be that way. The founders never meant it to be that way.

00:34:56.180 Uh, they believed in free speech. They believed in the free exercise of religion. And, uh, and that

00:35:01.680 should be what the law is. And I think we're going to move back that way after coach Kennedy comes down,

00:35:06.560 but we'll, we'll have to wait and see what the opinion says. You know, I got to tell you,

00:35:11.900 if I had a coach who is a Muslim and he wanted to take his prayer rug out at the end of a football 0.89

00:35:17.160 game and say a prayer, I wouldn't have a problem with that. And I'm, I'm, I'm obviously not a Muslim.

00:35:23.300 And you know, why would, why does anybody have a problem with these things? Um, is the, uh,

00:35:29.140 Sports Illustrated has just come out with just an amazingly bad article. When faith and football

00:35:35.220 teamed up against American democracy, the U S Supreme court will decide the case of a football

00:35:40.860 coach at a public high school who was told he wasn't allowed to pray on the field in front of

00:35:45.140 players. The expected result is a win for the coach and the further erosion of the separation

00:35:51.180 between church and state. I don't know where they find that. Uh, Kelly do. I don't, uh, it's,

00:35:58.900 it was amazing, Glenn. I, I've been doing this kind of work for 33 years and this is the first

00:36:05.300 time I can ever remember an article by the media being so ridiculous that it led to its own news

00:36:12.520 story. There were stories yesterday at Fox news, uh, at a Breitbart and all kinds of media because of

00:36:20.000 the Twitter explosion that occurred when Sports Illustrated posted this story. It was so ridiculous 0.90

00:36:26.720 and so biased. Everybody's going to like, okay, a coach praying by himself for 20 seconds is the 0.98

00:36:32.340 end of democracy. You know, number one, we're not a democracy. Uh, you know, we're, we're a

00:36:38.080 Republic, a constitutional Republic. And number two, separation of church and state, you know,

00:36:43.740 number one, that those words aren't constitution, but number two, please tell me where the institution

00:36:49.200 of the church is in this. Please tell me where the institution of the state is. It's coach Kennedy.

00:36:54.880 It's not the state. Um, I mean, this is really ridiculous and very, uh, you know, again, 0.63

00:37:01.180 Sports Illustrated, as you said, should stick to sports, uh, and, uh, and not try to get into

00:37:06.380 woke politics in their sports or they're going to, you know, this is the reason why they're losing so

00:37:10.740 many people. So let me, but let me, um, uh, take it further as we look at Sports Illustrated and we

00:37:19.040 see all of the errors there. That's one thing, but I listened to the arguments. Uh, I listened

00:37:24.740 online through your website and it was amazing to be able to listen to a Supreme court, uh, hearing

00:37:31.820 was incredible. I've never done it before in its entirety live. Um, and

00:37:37.620 opposing side was, was claiming it was, it was nothing like, uh, like the facts of the story. It

00:37:54.800 was all over the, all over the board. I couldn't believe that they could get away with saying the

00:38:00.180 things that they did, uh, without it being perjury. Yeah, it, I think, I mean, the only people,

00:38:08.540 a lot of people don't know, but on the other side, and let me, let me mention going in, if people want

00:38:11.880 to listen to it, it's still up at, uh, our, our media website, which is first Liberty live.com.

00:38:17.760 They can go listen to the argument, but it, I think it's because what happened is that school

00:38:25.600 district, instead of representing themselves, God is their attorneys. Uh, the Americans united for

00:38:30.580 separation of church and state, which is an interest group with a pretty, uh, um, extreme

00:38:36.700 agenda. They're, they're all secular humanists. They want to push religion out of society. And 0.57

00:38:41.180 these were their attorneys. Well, they don't, they're not very experienced at the Supreme court.

00:38:45.540 So I think they did something really foolish, which is you start trying to twist the facts. 0.88

00:38:51.380 I mean, there's a record. So we could point to the record. And if you remember our counsel, 0.95

00:38:57.500 Paul Clement, who's probably the number one guy at the Supreme court, um, at the end of his rebuttal,

00:39:03.300 he just nailed fact after fact, after fact, and the record that they were trying to pervert,

00:39:08.100 well, they can read the record. So that doesn't work. And so what, what was happening by the way,

00:39:12.720 for your audience, if they wonder what we're talking about is coach only wanted to pray by himself.

00:39:17.100 He went, he went by himself. He did just a 22nd prayer after the game to thank God for the

00:39:22.120 privilege of coaching the young men that he coached. He got that from that movie facing the

00:39:25.800 giants that he saw. And he made that pledge. And for seven, eight years, that's what he did

00:39:30.460 until they told him to stop. And at one point, midway through his years, some kids went and

00:39:36.980 prayed with him too. But as soon as the school said, Hey, don't do that with the kids. He said,

00:39:41.020 Oh, that's fine. That's not what I'm trying to do. And he went back by himself and they ended up

00:39:45.020 firing him because he wouldn't. And he never, Hey, hang on just a second. He, he never,

00:39:49.860 ever invited them. They asked him and he said, it's a free country. Do it, you know, do what you

00:39:56.240 want. So it wasn't like he was indoctrinating or pulling people in. I think that's really important.

00:40:02.700 That's exactly right. Yeah. He, he never did. And, and they admitted that. I mean, that was one of the

00:40:08.240 things they admitted, they admitted he never coerced anyone. Uh, so, and yet they, their new,

00:40:14.240 their new theory at the Supreme court was to say, Oh, no, this is all about coach Kennedy wanting to

00:40:18.720 pray with the kids. And, and then my favorite was they put a picture in the brief and they argued

00:40:24.740 this all the time. And the media messed this up all the time. It was a picture of coach on a knee

00:40:30.540 after the game, surrounded by all these players. And they were saying, look, see, see all the players.

00:40:36.260 Well, what they didn't mention was that was after coach was told, Hey, you go to a knee again,

00:40:42.320 you're going to be fired even by yourself. And he was like, look, I don't want to get the kids in

00:40:46.400 trouble. So I'm going to wait until they're singing the fight song facing the audience. Cause I don't

00:40:50.760 want them with me. So he went by himself. But what was happening is the whole country was watching this

00:40:58.180 and he was down on his knee and he felt people coming around him. It's like, Oh no, the kids are coming

00:41:03.380 around me. When he opened his eyes, it was the other team, all the players, all the coaches.

00:41:09.700 And so, as I told the media, this wasn't about him playing with his players. This was about an

00:41:14.120 America. When the government comes and tries to shut down somebody's first amendment rights,

00:41:19.700 Americans rise up and say, you're going to have to run over me too. And that's what was happening.

00:41:24.920 It had nothing to do with his players. It was the other team. If there's ever an American story, 0.89

00:41:30.200 let me, let me take a quick one minute break and come back to you. We're talking to Kelly

00:41:37.800 Shackelford from First Liberty about what's happening in the Supreme court. I just want to

00:41:43.660 take your temperature on, on what's happening with the security for the Supreme court, the vote that

00:41:50.900 happened in Congress yesterday and why, I guess it's John Roberts decision, why they're waiting on this

00:41:59.780 decision that is causing most of the, uh, angst. We'll talk to you here in one minute.

The Glenn Beck Program - June 15, 2022

Best of the Program ｜ Guests： Sheriff Mike Smith & Kelly Shackelford

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