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00:03:44.740 You're listening to the best of the Glenn Beck program.

00:03:49.060 The one, the only good friend of the program, Stephen Moore, the founder of the Committee to Unleash Prosperity.

00:03:56.360 Boy, it has been a scary few days, Stephen.

00:04:01.300 But the president, you know, he is a great negotiator because he just doesn't blink.

00:04:08.220 Some people will say he blinked yesterday.

00:04:10.540 I think he just, you know, he's smart.

00:04:13.420 He's not suicidal.

00:04:14.680 He's just reevaluating things.

00:04:16.980 And doing what, Stephen?

00:04:20.540 Well, good morning, Glenn. 0.99

00:04:21.760 You know, look, Trump, one thing I've learned from Donald Trump, having worked with him for the last eight years or so, off and on, is he oftentimes, the guy is crazy like a fox. 0.99

00:04:35.460 He really is. 0.96

00:04:36.920 And so sometimes he's two or three moves on the chessboard ahead of everybody else.

00:04:41.940 And so I don't I don't know if calling this a retreat is the right way to describe it.

00:04:47.460 No, I don't think so.

00:04:48.400 But you'll hear the media saying that the media is saying that, you know, and what I'm saying is and maybe it is a retreat, but maybe this was part of the plan all along.

00:04:57.220 I mean, in terms of, you know, trying to get these countries to come to the table, negotiate and look, Glenn, you know me, I'm I'm more of a free trade guy than Trump is.

00:05:06.360 And I'm not a big fan of tariffs.

00:05:08.500 But if he can pull this off and this would be a maestro if he could do it, then all of a sudden you get fairer and freer.

00:05:18.140 Yeah, you're breaking up.

00:05:20.600 Basically agree to low to play into level playing field.

00:05:23.860 And so what and the other thing that Trump is doing, and I think this is masterful and I agree with him wholeheartedly on this.

00:05:32.180 Look, there is one major villain in the world today, and that is China. 0.99

00:05:36.300 And, you know, you've been on the story a long time.

00:05:38.400 I'm glad as long as I've known you.

00:05:39.740 China is is is in my opinion.

00:05:42.860 I don't know if you agree with me on this.

00:05:44.420 They are like Japan circa 1937. 0.97

00:05:46.880 Oh, yeah, they really are.

00:05:47.940 I mean, big time.

00:05:49.200 They've Japan told us what they were going to do in like 1937.

00:05:54.560 They told us.

00:05:55.560 China is now too.

00:05:56.940 China is doing the same thing.

00:05:57.600 Yes.

00:05:58.160 Yes.

00:05:58.900 And we're not listening.

00:06:00.040 Right.

00:06:00.260 And so, you know, and what Trump is basically doing is and this is a big moment for the, you know, the world economy and for world peace.

00:06:09.140 Trump is saying to these other countries in the world, you've got to make a choice.

00:06:13.440 Are you with us or are you with China?

00:06:15.800 And I don't even know. 1.00

00:06:17.040 These Europeans are so stupid. 1.00

00:06:18.740 You know, they were saying a couple of weeks ago, maybe we'll just trade with China and stop trading with the United States. 1.00

00:06:22.860 Now, that would be a catastrophically bad decision.

00:06:27.360 But the whole idea here, as I see it, maybe I have, you know, I'm not in Donald Trump's mind.

00:06:32.500 So I sometimes he sees it way beyond what I do.

00:06:35.880 But I think what he wants to do is is basically.

00:06:39.320 Ah, you're breaking up, Stephen.

00:06:44.960 You there?

00:06:45.920 What did you just say?

00:06:46.700 You hear me?

00:06:47.020 Yeah, I can hear you now.

00:06:47.940 What did you just say?

00:06:48.820 OK, sorry.

00:06:49.540 I was saying that I think he wants to decouple.

00:06:52.220 This is Trump's plan.

00:06:53.860 He wants to decouple the world economy.

00:06:56.620 Yes.

00:06:57.280 From China.

00:06:58.700 You got to get into another room or another state.

00:07:02.440 And have you tried Patriot Mobile?

00:07:04.740 I will say we are tariffing Stephen's phone call today.

00:07:08.000 So that could be the cause of this.

00:07:09.400 Yeah.

00:07:09.760 Are you on Huawei?

00:07:12.600 Are you there?

00:07:13.740 Sorry, I lost you there again.

00:07:15.280 We had a bad connection.

00:07:16.280 But I can hear you now.

00:07:17.260 Sorry about that.

00:07:17.660 So he wants the world to decouple from China. 0.95

00:07:22.600 But I think also, at the same time, he wants the world to, the Western world, to decouple from this idea of managed decline.

00:07:34.920 Right.

00:07:35.280 You know?

00:07:35.800 Yes.

00:07:36.100 And he's trying to.

00:07:37.900 And I think this is hopefully working with the rest of the world.

00:07:43.440 He needs to break all the barnacles off that have just been, you know, on the hull of this ship forever now, saying, oh, well, this is the way it's going to be.

00:07:55.180 He's scraping all those barnacles off and saying, no, it's not going to be that way anymore.

00:07:59.260 So you need to make a decision.

00:08:01.080 You're either going to manage your own decline and throw in with China, or you're going to go a new direction that really only he and Malay and a few others are laying out.

00:08:14.440 You know, it's so funny you should mention that, because do you know who the two most popular politicians in the world are today?

00:08:21.020 Malay and Donald Trump?

00:08:23.140 Oh.

00:08:24.060 I think the two populist, pro-people, pro-free enterprise, anti-big government leaders.

00:08:32.020 And I've been predicting this.

00:08:33.600 I think I said this on your show a few weeks ago, and I maintain this.

00:08:37.160 I think you're going to see a Trumpian revolution all over the world.

00:08:39.860 I do, too.

00:08:40.100 I mean, these European leaders, they are so out of touch with their voters.

00:08:45.000 I mean, remember the very start of the Trump revolution was when Britain was shocked that all of the majority of their people wanted out of the European Union.

00:08:55.280 They said, we're not going to have these bureaucrats in Brussels tell us how we live our lives and what tea kettles we can use in our kitchen. 0.65

00:09:01.560 And so these arrogant, out-of-touch, self-righteous politicians are going to be thrown out of office for pro-people and pro-working class politicians.

00:09:14.520 So I think Trump has started a world revolution here.

00:09:17.740 I really do.

00:09:18.600 Yeah, I think Maloney is in that category.

00:09:21.380 She's just, I think, a little softer.

00:09:24.780 But I think she could be in that.

00:09:27.480 You know, I don't know about Marine Le Pen now that they've thrown her out.

00:09:32.600 I mean, that just...

00:09:33.520 I'm not bogus, bogus charges.

00:09:36.040 It just seems...

00:09:36.860 They did to her exactly what the left tried to do to Donald Trump. 1.00

00:09:40.500 Correct.

00:09:40.780 The bogus lawsuits.

00:09:41.720 Correct.

00:09:42.580 And those countries, like France, that are doing that, I think are going to be in real, real trouble.

00:09:47.860 You know, it was interesting to me that the Prime Minister of England came out, Starmer, who is absolutely a WEF clone.

00:09:56.920 Oh, he's horrible. 0.98

00:09:58.080 He's horrible. 0.98

00:09:58.680 And he came out and was like, the age of globalization is over. 0.92

00:10:02.600 You can't play this game.

00:10:04.120 You can't say that and then be part of globalization.

00:10:07.380 It's going to end really badly for him.

00:10:10.400 Do you agree or disagree?

00:10:11.680 Yeah, yeah.

00:10:12.220 I think Britain is really in bad shape right now.

00:10:15.380 And they need to find a Trump candidate.

00:10:19.280 And maybe it's, you know, who's the one who...

00:10:21.740 I'm blanking on his name.

00:10:22.580 The guy who led Britain out of... 0.81

00:10:25.120 Oh, our friend.

00:10:27.340 I'm having a senior moment here.

00:10:29.480 I know, two of them.

00:10:32.180 Anyway, I do think that's going to...

00:10:34.120 Nigel Farage.

00:10:36.740 Nigel, yeah.

00:10:37.660 Exactly.

00:10:38.220 And I'm friends with Nigel.

00:10:40.000 I couldn't remember him.

00:10:40.620 I know.

00:10:41.040 But anyway, I think he could be the next leader of Britain.

00:10:44.340 And so I don't know which way the Europeans are going to go, frankly.

00:10:47.900 I mean, I think they're totally confused with their leadership in these countries.

00:10:51.460 And by the way, I've got to tell you, Glenn, I've been doing over the last month,

00:10:54.580 almost every day, like BBC and all these European stations and, you know, and some of the Asian 0.89

00:11:01.320 stations.

00:11:01.980 And they're so indignant.

00:11:03.660 And they're like, Trump is causing a trade war here.

00:11:06.120 What is it?

00:11:06.560 What is wrong with this guy?

00:11:07.780 Blah, blah, blah. 0.98

00:11:08.460 And I just very calmly say, well, listen, you're terrorists in Britain or Germany or, you know, 0.96

00:11:14.460 Japan, whatever country it is. 0.96

00:11:16.040 You're terrorists of three or four times higher than ours. 0.81

00:11:19.560 So you're saying Trump is starting a trade war.

00:11:22.240 We're saying you already started the trade war.

00:11:24.300 How can you self-righteously say, how dare Trump raise a terrorist?

00:11:28.420 We don't care if that's three or four times.

00:11:29.960 You know what?

00:11:30.360 They never even answer the question.

00:11:31.780 Well, because move on.

00:11:32.760 Here's the thing.

00:11:33.580 They expect that to be the norm because we rebuilt.

00:11:38.180 I mean, the reason why we accepted these things early on was because we didn't want to

00:11:43.640 we wanted to make sure the Germans, Germans not having jobs is a very bad idea.

00:11:48.640 We wanted Germans to be able to rebuild their factories and Mercedes-Benz and everything

00:11:53.140 else.

00:11:53.900 So we had those.

00:11:54.720 And now they just expect that to be the norm.

00:11:57.540 And Donald Trump is like, it was the norm.

00:11:59.980 It can no longer be the norm.

00:12:02.240 And you know what?

00:12:03.320 So you're exactly right about that, Glenn.

00:12:05.160 And I would just add something.

00:12:06.520 One of the things we've learned from this is that is no longer being recorded.

00:12:11.040 Sorry.

00:12:11.640 One of the things we've learned from prison, are you calling from a prison?

00:12:14.660 I don't know why that happens.

00:12:16.940 Sorry about that.

00:12:17.660 But what you were just describing, that kind of American relationship with like rebuilding

00:12:22.720 Europe, it's like the welfare state, you know, where people become dependent on the

00:12:28.220 welfare state.

00:12:29.160 And Europe is dependent on the welfare that we give them.

00:12:32.140 And that's why one of the first things Trump did that I thought was so fantastic is that,

00:12:35.880 you know, if you're not paying your NATO dues, we're out.

00:12:38.680 And they, you know, again, they bitched and they moaned and they complained, but guess 0.97

00:12:42.400 what?

00:12:43.000 They played their note.

00:12:44.280 You know, I mean, I just, the indignation and the self-righteousness and the sense of

00:12:50.120 entitlement of these countries, it drives me absolutely nuts.

00:12:54.120 So let me ask you, the, the stock market is, is down again, down again.

00:12:58.700 Yeah.

00:12:59.160 Yeah.

00:12:59.480 Why?

00:13:00.300 It's been topsy-turvy for a while.

00:13:01.560 Well, uh, that's a good question.

00:13:03.680 Why?

00:13:04.060 I don't know.

00:13:05.220 Okay.

00:13:05.580 I mean, you know, who knows why it was way up yesterday on a Dow Jones and a point per

00:13:10.920 point basis was up more than any time at any day in American history, but I, you know,

00:13:16.860 look, it's going to be up and down, up and down until this, this, uh, reset happens.

00:13:21.880 And it's, so it's going to be topsy-turvy, I think for the next several months.

00:13:26.100 So get, you know, get ready for that folks.

00:13:28.000 But at the end of the day, I think Trump will prevail.

00:13:30.440 I think we're going to have a much secure economy.

00:13:33.060 Um, and, uh, and these countries are going to stop treating us like we're, uh, daddy

00:13:38.660 war bucks.

00:13:39.600 So, because we're out of, we're not, we seemingly never out of war, but we are out of bucks.

00:13:44.840 Um, Stephen, um, yesterday I sent you something about the basis trade, and this is something

00:13:53.160 that's so in the weeds for most people.

00:13:55.080 Um, but what's happening to the hedge funds and, uh, our, our, you know, uh, bonds and

00:14:03.240 that looked really frightening.

00:14:05.780 Is that going to stop?

00:14:08.400 Because that was something that they were doing before.

00:14:10.600 They said, it might've been, you know, blown over with a feather of Trump.

00:14:15.840 Um, but this is something that's been going on and there are deep, deep cracks in it is how,

00:14:21.440 how, how, how's that, how's that going?

00:14:23.480 Well, yeah.

00:14:24.400 So just for background, what happened starting a few days ago is that, uh, foreigners started, 0.96

00:14:29.460 um, to sell their, sell their U S bonds.

00:14:32.920 And that happened in Japan.

00:14:35.840 And then Russia was selling some of their bonds.

00:14:38.220 China was selling their bonds and the interest rate on those bonds there.

00:14:41.400 When people sell bonds, that means you have to pay more interest to get people to buy them.

00:14:44.660 And so the interest rate went from, uh, uh, like three and a half to four and a half,

00:14:49.300 not, not exactly, but, but almost up a full percentage point.

00:14:52.380 And so that's bad for America.

00:14:54.260 Cause that means, you know, we owe $35 trillion and, and the debt turns over.

00:14:59.540 And that means, you know, when the, when those bonds come due, then we have to issue no bond,

00:15:03.280 new bonds at a higher interest rate.

00:15:04.560 And as you know, you've reported on this many times, you know, I think, uh, interest expenses

00:15:08.720 are like the second highest expenditure on our federal budget.

00:15:12.460 So, uh, you know, um, but what we know, if you're not going to invest in U S bonds are

00:15:18.660 still the safest in the world by far.

00:15:21.020 There's not no other, you know, are you going to buy Russian bonds?

00:15:24.300 Are you going to buy European bonds?

00:15:25.920 So I'm not too concerned about it.

00:15:28.440 Um, I think that, uh, I think that, uh, but you know, China has several trillion dollars

00:15:35.200 of our bonds.

00:15:35.940 And this is why having such an enormous deficit as a problem and, you know, because then we

00:15:41.840 have to borrow money from, you know, from people we don't want to have to borrow money

00:15:45.000 from.

00:15:45.620 Right.

00:15:46.260 Are they, I mean, you know, they're serious.

00:15:49.760 We just said Trump is serious on China, trying to jump serious on us.

00:15:53.760 Um, are they able to dump our bonds survive?

00:16:01.380 Are they able to really fight this war out?

00:16:04.600 I mean, no, no, they're not.

00:16:06.720 So this is the, this is the key insight that Donald Trump has made, which is so right on

00:16:11.980 the mark that our economy is still substantially bigger than China's.

00:16:18.120 In fact, our stock market is five times higher than China.

00:16:22.540 So they're not even close with respect to the net worth of their companies.

00:16:26.740 Uh, I mean, you just take the seven, the magnificent seven, they have more value than every, every

00:16:31.640 company in China.

00:16:32.860 So we have a huge lead on them.

00:16:35.040 And the fact is that now, look, they've been catching up.

00:16:37.880 No question.

00:16:38.700 And look, I want to give you guys, you know, your listeners, a little history lesson what

00:16:43.660 happened in China.

00:16:44.620 And it's a, first of all, Mao was the greatest villain who ever lived probably, uh, in the

00:16:49.440 history of mankind.

00:16:50.140 He murdered a hundred million people, uh, of his own people.

00:16:53.360 And yet he's still on the currency.

00:16:54.940 They still have pictures of Mao.

00:16:56.300 That would be like, you know, us putting Benedict Arnold on our currency.

00:16:59.680 Uh, and so, uh, so when, then you had, uh, the, the free market revolution that happened

00:17:05.520 in the early 1980s, which was amazing.

00:17:07.760 It shows what they went from communist overnight to free markets and their economy exploded,

00:17:12.760 exploded for about 20 years.

00:17:14.400 Then we decided to let them into the world trade organization because they were on the

00:17:18.740 road to freedom.

00:17:19.780 Um, and then, uh, president Xi comes in and he goes back to communism.

00:17:24.060 That's, I mean, this is an oversimplification, but not much of one.

00:17:27.360 So we're not dealing with a free enterprise.

00:17:29.800 We're, we're dealing with a very dangerous country right now.

00:17:33.140 And Xi has said this in 20 years.

00:17:35.540 He said, we want China to take over the world. 0.96

00:17:37.180 Yes.

00:17:37.760 Um, and we, we were just sitting by and letting that happen.

00:17:40.880 And Trump finally said, no, that isn't going to happen.

00:17:43.940 Now, if we look, we have benefited over the last 30 years from being able to get cheap things

00:17:48.920 from China, but their economy is completely dependent on having access to America's $20

00:17:54.820 trillion consumer market.

00:17:56.220 If Trump, if Trump says you don't have access to that anymore, they go through a great depression

00:18:01.440 that makes like what happened in the United States in the 1930s look like a picnic.

00:18:05.160 And that's the leverage that Trump is using with China.

00:18:09.540 He's saying that you either start behaving yourself or we're going to throw you into the

00:18:13.740 worst depression you ever had.

00:18:15.220 Now it will hurt us, but it's not going to hurt us nearly as much as it's going to hurt

00:18:18.720 them.

00:18:18.960 So, uh, that's where we're at right now.

00:18:21.500 It'll hurt the people that shop at Walmart hardest.

00:18:24.520 Right.

00:18:25.000 Uh, you know, the, the bottom of the, uh, society, you know, the ones that are just scraping by

00:18:30.200 all the time.

00:18:31.040 Um, they're the ones that are going to be, um, hit the hardest here in America.

00:18:35.520 Um, but it is something where we just going to have to help our neighbors more, not expect

00:18:39.880 the government to do it, but help our neighbors more because it is crucial that we just, we,

00:18:45.440 um, decouple the world and ourselves from China as much as we can. 1.00

00:18:50.620 So can I, I know we're going to make one of the, one other quick point, uh, we have to

00:18:55.820 have a movement, you and I called sell China.

00:18:58.340 And what I mean by that is every one of us as citizens of this great country, just make

00:19:03.540 a point of it.

00:19:04.100 Just stop buying things from China.

00:19:05.780 Is it, you may, you know, you might have to pay $3 more for a pair of shoes.

00:19:09.040 You may have to buy it, you know, pay $3, $4 more for the t-shirt.

00:19:12.800 Do it.

00:19:13.320 If you love your country, stop buying China.

00:19:16.440 Yep.

00:19:16.900 Uh, thank you so much.

00:19:17.780 Appreciate it.

00:19:18.680 Steven Moore.

00:19:20.620 So she didn't think that would ever happen to her, not in her own neighborhood, not on

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00:19:36.300 Like it was his full-time job.

00:19:38.100 She yelled, the guy looked up, but he didn't run.

00:19:41.100 That's the moment it got real.

00:19:42.860 She didn't want to hurt anybody, but she wasn't going to stand there in her robe and slippers

00:19:46.620 and just try to negotiate either.

00:19:48.120 So she knew where a burner launcher was.

00:19:50.980 She hit him with a couple of rounds from a burner launcher she was carrying. 0.99

00:19:54.780 In a second, uh, she was down, or he was down, sorry, on the ground, in pain, out of commission

00:20:00.040 for a while.

00:20:00.980 Uh, he started to get up and then she hit a, uh, CO2 cartridge full of tear gas and, uh, 0.96

00:20:07.980 he didn't move again.

00:20:08.720 Well, he rolled around on the ground going, my eyes, my eyes.

00:20:11.520 It was a problem.

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00:20:35.120 Now back to the podcast.

00:20:36.360 This is the best of the Glenn Beck program.

00:20:40.280 Richard Werner, he is an economist.

00:20:42.740 Uh, you can find him at, uh, professorverner.org, professorverner.org.

00:20:47.980 Richard Werner, professor, how are you, sir?

00:20:51.600 Very well.

00:20:52.260 Thank you.

00:20:52.880 Good to be on your program.

00:20:54.200 Yeah.

00:20:54.360 Good to have you on again.

00:20:55.320 Um, uh, you're looking at the situation and it is changing by the hour.

00:21:01.420 Uh, what are you feeling, especially you're, you're from, are you still in the

00:21:06.340 Germany today or are you here in the United States?

00:21:09.700 I'm actually in, in, in the U.S.

00:21:11.540 In the U.S. right.

00:21:12.180 I'm in Florida at this moment.

00:21:13.640 All right.

00:21:14.020 Um, what is happening in Germany and in Europe and, and how is, how's this whole trade thing

00:21:21.440 affecting everybody?

00:21:25.140 Well, it is affecting, uh, everyone because, you know, if you, if you have the sort of list

00:21:31.520 of tariffs that were announced last week, presently suspended, um, then, but if you look at the

00:21:36.800 numbers for some countries, we were significant, uh, changes, um, and potentially even now that

00:21:44.400 they're being suspended, but they're still in place with China, very, very high numbers.

00:21:48.800 As you mentioned in, you know, in, in the triple digit percentage, uh, tariff, um, for China

00:21:55.400 and China retaliating and this escalating, that is very dangerous because China is, is, is part 0.63

00:22:01.820 of supply chains, um, across the globe, even, you know, involving other countries.

00:22:06.240 And, and of course the U S I mean, you know, president Trump has a point, the U S is the

00:22:11.000 most attractive market.

00:22:12.460 Everyone wants to export to the U S. 0.94

00:22:14.920 So it's true that the U S has some leverage there.

00:22:17.980 The question is, you know, what do we want to achieve and how do we go about it in order

00:22:22.180 to make sure we actually achieve it?

00:22:24.780 Um, at the moment there is a risk, the situation will, will escalate, particularly this confrontation

00:22:31.240 now laser focused on, on China is the bad guy.

00:22:35.380 And, you know, in, you see, in Asia, it's very important not to lose face and not to

00:22:39.800 be publicly accumulated.

00:22:42.560 Right.

00:22:42.720 And at the moment, you know, of course that's why they, they, you know, they can't easily

00:22:47.440 give in.

00:22:48.080 One has to create an opportunity in opening for compromise, um, or, you know, China to

00:22:54.260 give in.

00:22:55.080 So what would be allowed, you know, at the moment, the way it's done is very hard.

00:22:58.960 President Trump said this yesterday.

00:23:00.480 He said, look, it's important in China that, that, that they don't lose faith, the face, 0.54

00:23:04.580 uh, that they're not humiliated.

00:23:06.400 And he said, I feel like they feel like they're being humiliated right now.

00:23:09.760 So what should he be doing while still staying tough?

00:23:13.980 What, what, what kind of opportunity should be presented to deescalate this?

00:23:20.320 I think it's important to take it off the, um, I mean, you know, president Trump is very

00:23:26.620 transparent, those things publicly, but maybe in this case where we are.

00:23:30.480 At this point, it's important to take it off, you know, the public focus and have some

00:23:36.260 private conversations with Chinese leadership.

00:23:39.100 Um, and maybe they even suggest a way in which this may, may be done.

00:23:43.860 Uh, essentially one needs a face saving solution that makes both sides look good.

00:23:48.980 This can't be done, uh, because the Chinese are as much interested in, you know, making 1.00

00:23:54.820 a deal, uh, as president Trump is.

00:23:57.320 They are, the Chinese are famous for commerce, for trading, for doing deals.

00:24:01.500 So it just has to be done, um, in such a way that, uh, they're not forced into a corner.

00:24:08.660 Um, and then they feel obliged to, to also, you know, stand up to what appears to be bullying

00:24:15.260 to them and, and then appear tougher than they actually should be at this stage.

00:24:20.440 So I think it can be done.

00:24:22.600 I mean, I'd be glad to help, you know, get me into the, the Trump team.

00:24:26.620 I've got good relations.

00:24:28.000 I was invited to, to be professor of finance at one of the top universities, Fudan in Shanghai,

00:24:33.460 met very senior people in China.

00:24:35.400 And, um, I mean, I've been in, in Japan for 12 years.

00:24:39.000 I know how to, to talk to the, in Asia at the moment, there is perhaps, yeah, this, this,

00:24:45.160 um, lack of, of the right approach, but it's, it's fantastic news.

00:24:49.780 As you mentioned that president Trump is now acknowledging this.

00:24:53.680 And I think this, this creates an opening, uh, with the right advice.

00:24:58.680 The other point I'd like to make actually is that, um, I think it's, it is very smart

00:25:04.140 of president Trump to raise fundamentally, you know, the trap, the tariff issue and how, uh,

00:25:09.720 the U S had not always been treated equally by other countries when it comes to trade and tariffs.

00:25:15.480 That is very valid.

00:25:17.920 Um, and tariffs in history have been, well, actually mixed, but they have been very successful

00:25:24.620 and good for America and also for other countries that use them if and when they're used in

00:25:29.360 combination with the right policies, domestic policies.

00:25:34.020 And that's where I think the Trump team still needs some good advice.

00:25:38.280 The Trump team knows that this official mainstream neoclassical economics, you know,

00:25:42.180 is not to be trusted.

00:25:43.240 And that's very true, but they're still lacking the right advice.

00:25:47.420 Um, I'm an expert in high growth economics.

00:25:49.560 And I think the U S can have 15% growth for 40 years.

00:25:53.180 Like China had, this can be done. 1.00

00:25:55.440 There is no, there is no real needs to happen.

00:25:58.140 You have the right policies in place.

00:25:59.820 What needs to happen.

00:26:01.140 What is he missing?

00:26:01.760 I mean, cause I think it's what's missing is the Congress doing their job and putting

00:26:06.160 other things in place.

00:26:07.540 What are you saying is missing?

00:26:10.340 Yes.

00:26:11.120 Well, it's a key thing is, is, is to do with money.

00:26:16.040 Um, and those who create money.

00:26:18.340 Now the fed has created a lot of money, far too much, you know, in the last few years.

00:26:22.200 And as a cause of inflation and everything, but actually normally central banks only create

00:26:27.220 3% of the money supply.

00:26:29.320 97% of the money supply normally is created by who?

00:26:33.840 The banks, the banking system and the banks normally, and this is, you know, this is

00:26:38.220 capitalism where you don't have central planners making decisions, but you've got private

00:26:42.580 commercially oriented enterprises making decisions.

00:26:45.680 And so the more diversified your banking system and particularly the more small local

00:26:51.380 banks you have, the stronger your economy, the stronger job creation.

00:26:55.820 And that's where in the past, the U S has been extremely strong, but in recent years and

00:27:00.440 the other presidents and, and, you know, the other regulatory authorities have really reduced

00:27:06.380 the number of small local banks.

00:27:07.980 I mean, there's been a collapse in the number of community banks and local banks almost across

00:27:13.040 the United States.

00:27:14.600 And that's very bad for job creation, small firms and their competitiveness.

00:27:18.960 Yes.

00:27:19.420 And China is the best case in point. 0.91

00:27:21.340 You know, they used to have this centralized, um, Soviet style system with only one bank.

00:27:27.140 And then when the leader Deng Xiaoping came to power in 1978, he felt, let's, let's forget

00:27:36.340 about all this ideology under Mao, Chairman Mao, let's deliver outcome, let's deliver performance

00:27:42.600 and growth.

00:27:43.920 How do we do it?

00:27:44.800 Well, let's learn from those who did it.

00:27:46.940 And he went to Japan and asked the Japanese, what's your secret of success?

00:27:51.860 And they, they told him, you need, you need banks.

00:27:55.800 How many banks do you have?

00:27:56.740 One bank.

00:27:57.460 Are you serious?

00:27:58.420 For 600 million people at the time, something like that.

00:28:01.820 Well, you need more banks than that.

00:28:03.480 How about 5,000?

00:28:05.220 And that's what he did.

00:28:06.040 So he quickly went back to China and created 5,000 small banks, local banks, village banks,

00:28:12.220 credit unions, regional banks, uh, rural savings banks, provincial banks.

00:28:17.700 So what does Trump need to do to do that here?

00:28:20.140 That lends to small firms.

00:28:21.940 Sorry?

00:28:22.640 What does he need to do to create that here?

00:28:24.740 How should he be encouraging?

00:28:27.840 Um, well, first of all, one needs to take the pressure off the small banks to merge because

00:28:33.480 the Federal Reserve and the FDIC have been closing banks and causing them to merge.

00:28:38.720 Uh-huh.

00:28:39.120 That's why thousands of banks have disappeared in the U.S.

00:28:43.200 I mean, job, job creation, because politicians talk about job creation, but who is the main

00:28:47.600 employer?

00:28:48.300 It is small firms.

00:28:49.960 Yes.

00:28:50.620 SMEs, small and medium-sized enterprises, employ between 65 and 75% of total employment.

00:28:56.820 And there is a special thing about small firms.

00:29:00.080 They can't get money from capital markets.

00:29:03.000 Correct.

00:29:03.660 Wall Street is not open to them.

00:29:05.300 The only external source of funding is banks.

00:29:08.760 Local banks.

00:29:09.440 And with banks, we all have another rule.

00:29:11.180 Big banks don't lend to small firms.

00:29:13.400 It doesn't make sense.

00:29:14.340 So who lends to small firms?

00:29:16.000 It's only small banks.

00:29:17.760 And that's why America in the past was very strong.

00:29:19.780 When they were, you know, going a few decades back, we had more than 20,000 banks, mostly

00:29:24.340 these thousand and thousand of small local banks, community banks.

00:29:28.280 And that was great.

00:29:29.080 But the regulators and the centralization have led to mergers.

00:29:33.940 And the number of banks have been going down rapidly.

00:29:37.120 FDIC closing down healthy banks.

00:29:39.160 For some reason, they think it's a good idea.

00:29:41.140 Same in Europe.

00:29:41.880 You know, the ECB, European Central Bank, says we have too many banks.

00:29:45.460 We have to close the small local banks.

00:29:47.200 Well, that's how you kill the middle class. 1.00

00:29:50.140 That's really what happened to the middle class, that the small firms are not supported

00:29:54.160 anymore.

00:29:54.820 You know, when there's a new technology coming out, the small firms, they're not necessarily

00:29:58.760 the innovators, but they're the ones that have to quickly adapt, adopt the new technology.

00:30:04.220 And for that, you need money.

00:30:05.140 If you have a small local bank that knows you, you will get your funding, you can upgrade,

00:30:10.960 you can maintain your market share and stay competitive, expand jobs, basically.

00:30:16.000 But in countries where the banking system gets too concentrated, the U.S. is now at risk

00:30:20.320 of becoming one of those companies.

00:30:21.500 I know.

00:30:22.240 For example, look at the UK, you know, five big banks.

00:30:26.000 The small firms get nothing from these big banks.

00:30:28.600 But isn't this...

00:30:29.500 They can't afford to do the small loans.

00:30:31.800 They have to do big business.

00:30:32.740 They lend to the hedge funds and private equity funds in billions.

00:30:36.020 And then that works for the big banks.

00:30:38.420 Is it really good that the U.S. is heading that way?

00:30:41.060 No.

00:30:41.660 We have to change that.

00:30:42.700 So we have to change policies at the FDIC and also at the Fed.

00:30:46.380 They have to be bank-friendly and therefore small-firm-friendly and therefore employment-friendly.

00:30:50.780 So if we combine the tariffs with the right monetary and banking policy, the U.S. can be hugely successful.

00:30:59.260 I mean, you know, Glenn, you've got good connections.

00:31:01.120 It's helped me to get to the Trump team.

00:31:07.840 I'll put a word in for you, but I mean, I'm lucky to talk to the janitor.

00:31:11.260 So, Richard, let me go to Europe here for a second because I think what Trump is trying to do on many of his things is to break this elite, almost World Economic Forum grip on dismantling the West.

00:31:31.200 He doesn't believe in the slow decline of the West.

00:31:36.380 He is looking to change directions 180 degrees.

00:31:40.100 And I think that's part of what these tariffs on Europe and everything else is to say, look, we're going in a different direction.

00:31:47.460 We have to go in a different direction.

00:31:49.260 Who's with me?

00:31:50.760 Does that do you read it that way or not?

00:31:52.580 Well, I think that that is certainly is one possibility.

00:31:59.860 And that would be, you know, that would be a good goal because Europe is really still under the thrall of, you know, World Economic Forum and the deep state.

00:32:12.500 And including the U.S. deep state, you know, it's still very active in Europe.

00:32:17.320 We mustn't forget that.

00:32:18.940 So sometimes when President Trump ends up arguing with European leaders, he is still arguing with his old enemy, which is the CIA.

00:32:27.520 You know, they're running Europe.

00:32:28.700 They've got all their assets in place.

00:32:30.940 And of course, the World Economic Forum is a CIA asset.

00:32:33.440 You know, it was under Kissinger that the CIA funded this program which brought Karl Schwab to the fore, you know.

00:32:39.320 Jeez.

00:32:39.720 So President Trump needs to realize that he's still fighting the old enemy.

00:32:45.360 But now, you know, you know, he won domestically.

00:32:48.320 But, you know, the old enemy is strong in Europe and other places still where they've had their foothold through, you know, traditional military foreign bases, you know, where the U.S. army is and so on.

00:33:01.900 Japan included.

00:33:03.720 And that explains a lot of this friction.

00:33:06.120 And so, yes, in many ways, it's good that Europe sees, OK, there's going to be a change of policy.

00:33:11.740 But they're just going to now, while they're still under instruction from their minders at the CIA, they're just really agitating against the United States, against Trump.

00:33:27.560 They're talking about, well, we have to decouple.

00:33:30.080 We can't trust America anymore at all.

00:33:32.080 We're going to know.

00:33:32.980 And when the reality is, they're now just totally still following their minders.

00:33:39.280 So the deep state minders, World Economic Forum.

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00:33:49.560 Ben Lamb, the Lossal Co-Founder CEO.

00:33:54.020 Welcome to the program.

00:33:55.840 Hey, thanks for having me back, Lin.

00:33:57.320 It's good to talk to you again.

00:33:58.120 You bet.

00:33:58.440 It's great to talk to you.

00:33:59.340 First, I have to show this picture of George R.R. Martin with the dire wolf.

00:34:05.800 That is, I mean, that's brilliant.

00:34:08.100 It's really brilliant.

00:34:08.960 I mean, he, George R.R. Martin in Game of Thrones, you know, made dire wolves popular in pop culture.

00:34:15.140 Many people think they're a myth, but, you know, they were an American wolf.

00:34:19.100 They were the largest, strongest American wolf.

00:34:21.900 And, you know, we got challenged, you know, you know, we're working on the mammoth and Tasmanian tiger and the dodo.

00:34:26.680 But we got challenged by some of our indigenous partners and the government and a few others saying,

00:34:31.560 why aren't you working first on an American species?

00:34:34.060 Like, why are you not prioritizing it?

00:34:36.680 So we got a lot of pressure and feedback.

00:34:39.260 And then when we got close to it, we were like, well, if we don't bring George R.R. Martin in, we're kind of mean.

00:34:45.200 Because he's the guy that made him the most popular.

00:34:46.880 You know, it kills me.

00:34:47.920 I mean, I did the same thing.

00:34:49.800 I saw the video of the, you know, the wolves howling and stuff as little babies.

00:34:53.860 And I'm like, oh, that's so cute.

00:34:56.000 They're an apex predator.

00:34:58.360 They are.

00:34:59.060 They are.

00:34:59.440 Been gone for now 10,000 years.

00:35:03.400 Why bring them back?

00:35:04.620 So Colossal is a de-extinction and species preservation company, right?

00:35:09.860 And so we're going to lose up to 50% of biodiversity now in 2050.

00:35:14.060 And so we need new tools in the fight, right?

00:35:15.680 We think it's better to have a de-extinction toolkit than not need it, than, you know, not have a de-extinction toolkit than need it.

00:35:21.640 And so we're working on all these different species.

00:35:24.080 And we started having meetings with MHA Nation, one of the largest tribal groups here in the United States.

00:35:29.580 And they started giving us the feedback that, you know, we need to do more for wolf conservation, not going on with wolf conservation.

00:35:37.740 It would be amazing if we could work on something like the great wolf.

00:35:40.260 So then they started telling us that from their oral tradition, they believe that the great wolf was the dire wolf.

00:35:46.020 And I kind of sat with you.

00:35:47.000 I was like, oh, the Game of Thrones wolf.

00:35:49.500 And so we had these great conversations.

00:35:51.620 And then a few months later, we were in North Carolina, and we learned that the most endangered wolf in the world is the American wolf.

00:36:00.960 The red wolf, there's only 15 left.

00:36:02.920 And so, like, when you think about Americana, you think about the bison, and you think about the bald eagle, and you think about wolves, it would be a travesty to lose these.

00:36:11.040 And it's like, they've been on the endangered.

00:36:12.600 But wait, wait, wait, wait.

00:36:14.540 I mean, I live for half the year in a place that has mountain lions and wolves.

00:36:21.260 They're both very, very important to have, but they're also spooky as hell.

00:36:26.820 And you're not talking about preserving that species.

00:36:33.640 You just introduced a species that's been gone for 10,000 years.

00:36:39.080 Yeah, we have.

00:36:40.380 And they are on a secure, expansive ecological preserve in the north.

00:36:44.800 And if they ever go back into the wild, it will be in collaboration with the government as well as some of the tribes.

00:36:50.600 And they would go back on secure private lands.

00:36:52.980 They are to be wilding dire wolves.

00:36:55.460 I mean, you're not going to be walking down the street worried about dire wolves.

00:36:58.940 Yeah.

00:36:59.760 Well, I just know last time the government got involved with wolves, it was at Yellowstone.

00:37:04.340 And that didn't work out well for anybody.

00:37:06.780 You know, rewilding works as long as it's done thoughtfully and managed.

00:37:12.000 And the problem is, if sometimes people just get so overzealous on certain sides of the table that they just go out and, you know, muck with nature.

00:37:19.800 It really needs to be studied.

00:37:21.900 It really needs to be managed.

00:37:24.100 It needs to be thoughtfully taken out.

00:37:26.320 But a lot of times people don't realize that.

00:37:28.300 And they just get overzealous, right?

00:37:30.100 And they politicize it.

00:37:31.280 At the end of the day, losing biodiversity, it should be a bipartisan issue.

00:37:37.000 And we really need to save these animals.

00:37:39.900 And so by doing what we're doing, though, Glenn, we're actually building technology to save animals.

00:37:44.300 And so we were actually able to clone – no one's talking about this, which is crazy – we were actually able to clone four red wolves with more genetic diversity than the existing 15 that are still left in the wild.

00:37:56.600 That's a 25% bump in genetic diversity that has been gone, you know, for tens – you know, for over a decade.

00:38:04.240 So, okay.

00:38:06.560 So, I mean, you describe your company.

00:38:10.220 I'm sorry.

00:38:10.600 I love the technology.

00:38:12.200 I love what you're doing.

00:38:13.000 I love the way you think.

00:38:13.720 No, I know, I know, I know.

00:38:14.800 It's also terrifying.

00:38:16.260 We've talked a lot about it, right?

00:38:18.480 Okay.

00:38:18.740 Yeah, I know.

00:38:19.080 You know, we – and on our last time we talked, you asked about the CIA because In-Q-Tel is an investor.

00:38:24.440 But, you know, we fall into a category called synthetic biology, right?

00:38:28.460 So being able to use AI and software as well as being able to edit and rewrite genomes is really critical technology.

00:38:35.440 It's as important as technology is, space technologies and other defense-related technologies.

00:38:40.660 And our adversaries are advancing these technologies.

00:38:42.780 Right.

00:38:42.980 And we are trying –

00:38:44.420 So let me – because I – this is like everything now, especially with AI and any of this, you know, CRISPR, all of this technology, you can't stop it.

00:38:53.400 You can't put it back in the bottle because others are doing it.

00:38:57.380 What China is doing with this on trying to breed smarter humans, stronger humans, you know, fighters. 0.59

00:39:05.900 I mean, it's the stuff of Nazi movies. 0.67

00:39:08.560 That's what they've – that's actually what they've said publicly.

00:39:10.860 So everything you're saying is what they've said publicly.

00:39:13.580 They said that the Beijing Genomics Institute is sequencing as many humans as possible.

00:39:18.320 They use COVID as this ruse to, like, pull in as many samples as possible, sequencing them.

00:39:24.620 And then they said we're looking for the genes that make the smartest people, and we are going to engineer people.

00:39:30.080 I mean, that's not even, like, crazy, concerned, you know, conspiracy.

00:39:34.240 They have said that out loud.

00:39:36.240 So what have they not said out loud?

00:39:37.780 Right.

00:39:39.500 Any idea what they haven't said out loud?

00:39:42.020 Well, I mean, if you think about, like, what Colossal is trying to do, right, is we're trying to at least do it.

00:39:47.060 We don't do anything with humans.

00:39:48.560 So we do – even though we work with the federal government, we do have this kind of moratorium that we are not working on humans, only on animals.

00:39:54.700 And we won't even work on, you know, non-human primates.

00:39:58.780 So we're only working on the species that are working, but we are advancing these technologies that have applications to humans, right?

00:40:04.800 And, you know, we are understanding from, like, a 72,000-year-old skull what made a dire wolf bigger and stronger.

00:40:12.240 It had a bigger jaw and stronger muscles and denser bones.

00:40:15.840 We can now understand that with our technologies and engineer that into its closest living relative being the gray wolf, right?

00:40:22.700 And so think about that same type of data applied to humans, right?

00:40:27.080 I think that you can look at it as, you know, adversarial countries can advance these technologies in a way where they can look at how can we enhance humans.

00:40:34.980 And so for us, I think we, as an American company that works very, very closely with the federal government, the Secretary of Interior just endorsed our work, and we work very closely with the Department of Interior.

00:40:45.080 It's not necessarily an endorsement that my audience likes.

00:40:48.360 You should de-emphasize that with my audience because that's not a good thing.

00:40:51.960 It's not what anyone likes.

00:40:54.520 It's just about transparent.

00:40:55.020 Right.

00:40:55.260 Okay.

00:40:55.660 All right.

00:40:55.980 Yeah, good for you.

00:40:56.640 Good for you.

00:40:57.420 Like, I think it's important for us to always be – you know, colossals, we're pretty bipartisan.

00:41:02.160 We work with both sides, but I do think it's important to be transparent when things happen.

00:41:06.320 And I think that us as America has to lead in synthetic biology, and colossal is one of the most advanced synthetic biology companies on the planet.

00:41:13.840 So what is the difference between directed evolution and playing God?

00:41:20.240 It's a great question.

00:41:21.160 You asked me this last time, right?

00:41:22.400 I think that we as humans play God quite a bit, right?

00:41:26.500 And so I'll look at it from an ecosystem's perspective.

00:41:29.060 When we overfish the ocean or we cut down too much of the rainforest, we are playing God on some level when we eradicate species.

00:41:36.660 But now we have these tools and technologies that we can biobank species, protect them, and even bring them back, right?

00:41:44.160 And I think this is going to be really helpful for how we balance progress as well as how we balance, you know, protection.

00:41:51.340 And I think that we need these tools more now than ever because we could lose up to 50% of biodiversity, all life on Earth, between now and 2050.

00:42:00.200 That's the current trend line.

00:42:01.400 So, you know, AI is dangerous, it's glorious, and horrifying at the same time.

00:42:14.460 It just depends on, you know, who's using it and how that thing goes.

00:42:17.560 And it's why Elon Musk says we have to have the singularity as defined as human-computer interface.

00:42:29.940 So we merge as one.

00:42:33.220 That's something of sci-fi movies.

00:42:36.420 Do you believe that the genetic editing tech that you are helping to design is going to be transferred to humans?

00:42:43.120 Is there a time that you think, oh, well, that probably has to?

00:42:47.560 I think that we will be able to look.

00:42:49.760 So one of the biggest things that Colossal works on is what's called multiplex editing, being able to edit multiple parts of the genome at the exact same time, right?

00:42:59.620 And so that's part of what we really, really need to continue to advance because most disease states, specifically ones that drive, you know, predispositions to cancer and Alzheimer's and others, are multigenic in nature, right?

00:43:15.680 And so for us, I think it's very, very important to advance those technologies so that you've probably heard about sickle cell anemia, where there's CRISPR tools and technologies that are being used to do a single knockout.

00:43:28.620 But most genes or most of these states are multigenic in nature.

00:43:32.320 So you have to be able to edit multiple parts of the genome.

00:43:35.180 So I do think that a lot of our technologies will be beneficial long-term to helping cure inherited disease states in humans.

00:43:44.460 And I think that's a good thing.

00:43:45.780 How much of this is AI-driven?

00:43:48.540 I'd say 30% of our work, what wouldn't be possible without AI?

00:43:53.160 And imagine that number is growing exponentially.

00:43:56.640 I mean, I know our...

00:43:57.460 Exponentially, exponentially.

00:44:00.460 You know, you named the direwolves Romulus and Remus, and I'm not a mythology expert,

00:44:05.400 but I do know abandoned in birth, raised by wolves, founded Rome, yada, yada.

00:44:11.140 But didn't Romulus also kill Remus?

00:44:15.040 Yeah, Romulus loves Remus.

00:44:18.220 Romulus is the bigger one, but they do love each other pretty well.

00:44:22.000 So we're hoping that not all of history will repeat itself, right?

00:44:25.100 Including the fall of Rome.

00:44:26.300 So we're pretty bullish on it that it'll work out better this round.

00:44:31.040 Okay, good, good.

00:44:33.580 So am I, I guess.

00:44:34.820 I mean, I guess we're rooting for that.

00:44:36.560 All of us are together on that one.

00:44:37.940 That's a great goal to have.

00:44:39.760 We're all rooting for the non-fall of Rome.

00:44:42.340 What's the next thing that you can talk about that you're going to tell the world about someday?

00:44:50.680 Yeah, so, I mean, we're making a lot of progress.

00:44:53.180 I think we're on the very cusp of a pretty big breakthrough for the Dodo project, right?

00:44:59.540 So talking about balance, going from direwolves to Dodo's.

00:45:03.580 You know, we made some updates on the Tasmanian Tiger, another apex predator that we announced last year.

00:45:08.500 Can we slow down on the apex predators just a little bit?

00:45:12.380 They're very important.

00:45:13.620 I mean, look, elephants kill more people than wolves.

00:45:16.560 No, I know.

00:45:17.240 There's only been five wolf-confirmed attacks in the last 100 years.

00:45:21.600 You have a higher probability of getting struck by lightning while getting eaten by a shark than getting attacked by wolves.

00:45:28.940 No, I know that.

00:45:29.760 Have you ever been in the wild and a wolf?

00:45:33.480 I've been in quite a bit of the wild, yeah.

00:45:35.020 With a wolf by yourself?

00:45:36.820 You know, a wolf walks up?

00:45:37.960 Yeah.

00:45:38.300 Terrifying.

00:45:38.740 Well, I've actually never been, I've been very close to wolves in certain ecological preserves.

00:45:43.920 Yeah, no, I've been on my own land, and a wolf walks out from the bushes, and you're like, oh, dear God, because they are spooky.

00:45:53.780 It's definitely spooky, right?

00:45:57.240 I'm more scared of mountain lions than wolves, personally, but I saw a mountain lion once.

00:46:02.100 So the scariest thing I ever saw was I was actually in Cape Tribulation in Australia once, and a cassowary, a bird, walked out.

00:46:09.560 And that thing's like a living velociraptor.

00:46:12.460 And it was just me.

00:46:14.240 I was by myself, and I was like, I'm going to die, because they're very aggressive.

00:46:19.320 They're very hard to even see them.

00:46:22.420 But, yeah, I mean, look, living with nature is what we got, right?

00:46:25.440 We've got to figure out how we do that.

00:46:27.000 But our next species that we'll probably have some big updates on is the dodo.

00:46:30.980 We're really close to a fundamental step in the dodo resurrection.

00:46:36.420 We don't have dodos.

00:46:37.520 We won't for a long time.

00:46:38.800 But I do think that we are pretty close to a fundamental step that we'll be able to announce.

00:46:42.460 One last thing.

00:46:43.520 You say that, you know, you are trying to help species survive because we're going to lose all these species.

00:46:49.580 Why are you bringing back things like the dire wolf that humans didn't have anything to do with the extinction?

00:46:55.960 Why are you bringing those back?

00:46:58.580 So anthropologic effects, if you look at kind of the rise, if you look at kind of the rapid, younger, driest cooling period,

00:47:04.960 also compared globally, not just in America, as a rise of anthropologic effects,

00:47:09.500 early humans did drive a lot of the extinction of megafauna here in the United States as well as globally.

00:47:16.920 I do think that there's a lot of data that's starting to suggest some of the effects of the younger, driest cooling period.

00:47:25.320 That was a rapid period that may have had meteorological effects that affected it, right?

00:47:30.740 And so for us, we want to build these, we want to use these technologies to bring back these species so that we can study them,

00:47:38.660 so that we can look to rewild them if it makes sense, and also pair them to build technologies for wolves, right,

00:47:44.600 in the case of the dire wolf or Asian elephants in the case of the mammoth.

00:47:48.380 And one of the things that no one really talks about is every single week we get dozens of letters from parents and kids

00:47:56.140 and pictures of little woolly mammoths and dodos and hopefully now dire wolves,

00:48:00.660 and people are telling us and teachers are telling us that their kids are excited about science now, right?

00:48:06.060 And people are getting more and more excited about science.

00:48:09.540 And so if you ask a teacher or a parent about Colossal, many of them know, more teachers than parents know,

00:48:16.680 because their kids are telling them in the classroom.

00:48:18.780 And I think we need science now more than ever, and I think getting kids excited about science through de-extinction

00:48:24.340 while also helping conservation is a really good thing.

00:48:27.800 Ben, there is no better spokesperson for Colossal than you.

00:48:31.980 Colossal co-founder and CEO Ben Lamb.

00:48:34.520 Thanks, Ben, for being on.

00:48:35.940 Thanks, Glenn.

00:48:36.580 I appreciate it.

00:48:37.280 God bless you.

00:48:39.540 God bless you.

The Glenn Beck Program - April 10, 2025

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