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00:00:30.000 Hey, on today's podcast, we spent a lot of time talking about tariffs, what they mean, why they're being done.

00:00:35.180 Is it a good idea, bad idea?

00:00:36.600 We have Stephen Moore on to talk about that.

00:00:39.580 Also, what we need to be building now as the tariffs kick in.

00:00:43.360 I think a really important monologue that I gave today, something I'd like to hear the president talk about, quite frankly.

00:00:51.780 But what we need to be doing, because the jobs from Pittsburgh, those steel plants, if we're building those jobs, we're in trouble.

00:01:00.000 We're in trouble a second time.

00:01:02.260 Also, Hiram Sasser from First Liberty Institute.

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00:03:44.800 Stephen Moore was in the Rose Garden yesterday for Liberation Day.

00:03:48.520 He is a guy who has traditionally been against tariffs.

00:03:51.380 And this was very bold yesterday what the president did.

00:03:55.100 I am nervous about it.

00:03:57.360 I've had this conversation with the president.

00:03:58.980 I'm not a fan of tariffs.

00:04:00.680 But I think he's earned the right to – I mean, he's the president.

00:04:04.700 Everybody elected him and everybody knew tariffs were his favorite word.

00:04:09.760 So he's got to do what he feels is best.

00:04:12.800 It could work.

00:04:14.080 It could lead to real trouble.

00:04:16.520 Stephen Moore is with us now.

00:04:18.400 Hi, Stephen.

00:04:18.900 How are you?

00:04:20.200 Hi, Glenn.

00:04:20.900 Good to be with you.

00:04:21.880 I was there yesterday.

00:04:23.100 And I agree with your – I agree 100% with what you just said.

00:04:25.960 This could work or it could be a disaster.

00:04:29.960 And I think probably in the end of the day, I think it will work.

00:04:33.760 But, you know, the Dow futures are down another 1,000 points and the NASDAQ is crashing.

00:04:39.680 So, you know, the market is very negatively.

00:04:42.160 Does that actually matter in the short term that the Dow is down?

00:04:46.560 I mean, that's the companies – you know, I know that affects everybody's, you know, 401K and everything else.

00:04:52.320 But I think people right now are more concerned with what is this going to cost me in groceries?

00:04:56.740 What is this going to cost me in gas?

00:04:59.240 So talk to me about that level.

00:05:03.340 Yeah.

00:05:03.820 So, I mean, the market does matter because it's a kind of forward-looking indicator of where the economy's at.

00:05:09.420 But you're right, mostly what people care about is what will this mean for gas prices and what will it mean for going to the store and groceries.

00:05:16.820 And that's hard to predict.

00:05:19.140 Listen, I think my summary – and we talked about this the other day on your show – is that Trump is right that it is not a level playing field.

00:05:28.700 And it is true that these other countries have been ripping us off.

00:05:31.580 And, you know, I've been doing a lot of interviews, as you can imagine, over the last 24 hours on this.

00:05:36.360 And, you know, especially with a lot of the foreign press, like BBC and Australia and news and, you know, the French news agency.

00:05:44.760 And they're so indignant, you know, about, oh, my gosh, Donald Trump's causing a trade war.

00:05:49.120 I'm saying, well, wait a minute.

00:05:50.140 First of all, our tariffs are one-third as high as yours are.

00:05:52.620 So how is it Trump's causing a trade war?

00:05:54.780 I mean, you're the ones – all you have to do is play by the rules.

00:05:57.460 Okay, so let me ask – hang on, let me ask you that.

00:05:59.820 Because when he put out those charts, I was like, oh, my gosh, how are we possibly the bad guys?

00:06:05.320 But then I see on X something that said in a community note, no, that's not true.

00:06:10.480 They just – they made some calculation up, and that's not what we actually pay, which is true.

00:06:16.060 But those numbers that the Trump administration put out were a bit exaggerated.

00:06:21.060 They weren't exactly accurate.

00:06:23.120 But that doesn't, you know, negate the point that I was making, that they are – they do charge a lot higher terrorists than we do.

00:06:32.320 We're the freest trade nation in the world.

00:06:34.040 Now, I happen to think that we benefit from that.

00:06:36.000 But here's the way I see it, Glenn.

00:06:38.560 If Trump can pull this off, and he may well, and he can get these other countries to do what they should do, both in terms of their own interests but also in terms of, you know, treating the United States fairly, then it would work out really well.

00:06:52.720 In other words, it would benefit everybody.

00:06:54.420 We would have freer and fairer trade.

00:06:56.440 And, you know, the freedom to trade is at the core of what economics is all about, right?

00:07:00.500 If you and I trade, Glenn, and I give something to you and you give something to me, by definition, we're both better off.

00:07:07.220 And so I do hope that we – I hope that outcome happens, but I'm nervous about it.

00:07:12.440 I think that we're already seeing – so, for example, the – I have about six or seven manufacturing companies that are part of my institute, and they're good, you know, supporters of what I do.

00:07:24.660 And they're frantic right now because they're saying, look, we, you know, we get our aluminum from, you know, Vietnam.

00:07:32.080 We get our, you know, our parts from Mexico.

00:07:34.840 We get – I mean, our economy is highly globally integrated, and that makes it – it's why the reason we have the most efficient economy in the world.

00:07:42.380 So now they're running into supply chain problems because they don't know if they can get the aluminum.

00:07:47.400 They don't know if they can get the parts, you know.

00:07:48.880 So the factories, you know, are only running at, say, half capacity.

00:07:53.540 So there is going to be – I want to be clear about this.

00:07:57.080 There will be short-term pain, no doubt about it.

00:08:00.360 The question is, how long will that last, and when do we get to the good part where these other countries start cooperating and we create more jobs here in America?

00:08:08.120 Do you believe Europe when they say, fine, and we're going to unleash our own war back on you?

00:08:14.260 If that happens, then we're in a trade war, and that's really, really bad.

00:08:17.780 Do you believe –

00:08:18.520 Well, that's bad for everybody.

00:08:19.100 But it would be insane for the Europeans to do that because, listen, Trump – again, I said this on your show the other day, but I'll say it again.

00:08:27.720 Trump is a master negotiator.

00:08:30.060 You have to read his book, The Art of the Deal.

00:08:32.500 By the way, I would recommend that to anybody in their 20s or 30s, you're getting your career started.

00:08:36.820 Read that book because Trump is so insightful in that book, and it's very simple, Glenn.

00:08:40.960 If you and I are at the negotiating table, and we're negotiating something, and you have leverage over me, you're probably going to win that negotiation, right?

00:08:49.160 And if I have leverage over you, I'm probably going to win the negotiation.

00:08:53.440 United States has leverage.

00:08:55.040 We are the biggest economy in the world.

00:08:56.500 Every country in the world has to trade with the United States.

00:08:59.260 In other words, if China couldn't trade with the United States, their economy would go into a Great Depression.

00:09:03.600 You know, there's no way they could have survived without access to America's market.

00:09:07.780 Trump understands that.

00:09:09.140 He's using that leverage and American power to force countries to do things they should do anyway.

00:09:15.380 What I'm here to tell you, though, is, boy, this could cause some – this could cause some pain.

00:09:20.000 I mean, we could – you know, people lose money in their 401ks.

00:09:23.040 They don't spend as much money.

00:09:24.260 Factories can't get their – you know, maybe workers get laid off.

00:09:27.140 Maybe prices rise.

00:09:28.340 So there will be a short term adjustment.

00:09:30.160 Stephen, what do you – what would you think our goal is here?

00:09:35.360 You know, because I saw the results of, you know, these tariffs being talked about.

00:09:39.060 Israel came out and said, we're wiping it to zero, right? 0.83

00:09:41.480 And, like, for me, that's a great outcome for this policy.

00:09:45.120 I would love that.

00:09:46.560 But is that the actual goal of the policy?

00:09:48.600 Because if the policy is to bring jobs and manufacturing back here, if everyone wipes their tariffs to zero, which would be my preferred outcome, wouldn't affect that, right?

00:09:59.260 Like, what is the goal here?

00:10:01.360 It is – I mean, I think it's mostly to do just that so that we have a level playing field and that countries stop, quote, ripping us off, as the president would say.

00:10:11.720 And that would mean we would be able to – you know, for example, our agriculture industry.

00:10:15.960 You know, we are the breadbasket of the world.

00:10:17.720 We have the most productive farmers.

00:10:19.360 We have the most productive farmland.

00:10:21.440 And we produce a lot of wheat and a lot of corn and a lot of barley and a lot of beef and dairy products.

00:10:27.660 And it is true, a lot of these countries, you know, keep that out.

00:10:30.880 They won't – I mean, Canada does have very high tariffs on our agriculture products.

00:10:35.420 So imagine now Canada eliminates those tariffs.

00:10:39.960 Guess what?

00:10:40.440 We're going to have a lot more production here.

00:10:42.800 And our farmers are going to do a lot better.

00:10:45.020 Right.

00:10:45.100 But they're going to pay a heavier price because then their farmers are in trouble.

00:10:49.000 I mean, this is a very complex kind of situation.

00:10:52.240 Except that our farmers are much more – you know, that's the point.

00:10:54.800 We are the most – in a free trade world, we win.

00:10:58.160 Why?

00:10:58.760 Because we have the best technology.

00:11:00.960 We have the best workers.

00:11:02.040 We have the best, you know, CEOs of companies.

00:11:05.200 So we will continue to dominate the world economy in a free trade environment.

00:11:10.780 And that's what Trump is saying.

00:11:11.840 And there's no question that – you know, let me put it very simply.

00:11:16.880 You know, we import a lot of coffee beans from Brazil.

00:11:22.880 Why?

00:11:23.520 Because they have the best coffee beans, right?

00:11:25.460 Right.

00:11:25.660 We sell a lot of, let's say, microchips to them.

00:11:29.180 Why?

00:11:29.660 Because they don't make microchips, and we do, but they make good coffee.

00:11:33.060 I mean, that's the whole basis of what trade is about.

00:11:35.540 So in countries, it's called – the term for this in economics is comparative advantage.

00:11:42.360 If you produce something really well, and I produce something very well, it makes sense for both of us to make both things.

00:11:49.900 You make, you know, the apple – you grow the apples, and I grow the bananas.

00:11:54.440 And then we're both better off, and we trade.

00:11:57.080 And that's the essence of economics.

00:11:58.980 And we don't want to be fortress America.

00:12:01.660 Although, you know, we could be.

00:12:03.060 You know, the United States is the biggest market in the world by far.

00:12:06.520 And one of the things that has made America – many, many things have made America the most powerful and prosperous country in the world.

00:12:12.940 But one of them – think about this, Glenn – the United States is one giant free trade zone.

00:12:18.640 You know, South Carolina can't put a tariff on North Carolina, right?

00:12:22.860 And so that's one of the reasons we've – you know, we are so prosperous.

00:12:28.120 You know, the apples from Washington State are produced in Washington, and then, you know, the microchips are made in Texas.

00:12:34.480 Stephen, I was saying just a minute ago that what people have to understand is there is half of the world, Western world, maybe more than half, is just managing the decline of the West.

00:12:49.620 That's what they're doing.

00:12:50.920 And Donald Trump is standing up and saying, no, I don't believe that.

00:12:55.360 I think we need to go the 100% opposite direction.

00:12:59.100 We need to reinvent ourself.

00:13:01.100 And so he is shedding all of these things from the last 100 years because they have to be shed.

00:13:08.840 But especially Europe and anybody who's in with the WEF, they are saying, well, but we're never going back to a free society with, you know, the Bill of Rights and all of these things.

00:13:22.040 It's got to be a globally run, managed society.

00:13:26.540 And so that's the real choice here.

00:13:28.500 It's not whether I pay more for my eggs or my car now, although that's the way it'll feel to a lot of people.

00:13:35.680 It is actually, is there a free and leading America in five years, or do we just continue down the managed decline?

00:13:47.340 Look, I'm very bullish on the United States.

00:13:49.800 I really am.

00:13:51.260 I mean, we are going to, we dominated the internet age.

00:13:54.220 You know, we created these incredible companies like Google, Amazon, NVIDIA, you know, these companies that became trillion dollar companies.

00:14:03.280 You know, just our magnificent seven have more market value than every single company in Europe combined.

00:14:09.940 So we have so dominated the technology sector.

00:14:12.580 The big next thing, you see, if I have one problem with Trump is saying, what's it does, manufacturing jobs.

00:14:19.680 Of course, we want a manufacturing sector. 0.95

00:14:21.460 We don't want manufacturing workers to lose their jobs.

00:14:23.580 Of course not.

00:14:24.460 But the future, who's going to lead the world in the next 25 years is robotics, artificial intelligence, and all that thing.

00:14:32.420 We have to win that war like we won.

00:14:35.480 We totally dominated the internet age.

00:14:37.940 And the way we did that, by the way, is we deregulated.

00:14:41.080 We took away the lawsuits.

00:14:43.140 We took away the taxes and said, go at it.

00:14:45.300 It was like the Wild West.

00:14:46.740 Remember in the early 90s when the internet was first there?

00:14:50.120 And we spawned thousands and thousands of companies.

00:14:54.860 I'm worried a little bit that Trump is looking in the rearview mirror.

00:14:57.580 I'm on the board of a company, I think I may have mentioned this to you, that we build houses with robots.

00:15:06.620 It's the most incredible thing, Glenn.

00:15:08.280 I mean, robots build the houses.

00:15:10.340 And we can do it at 40% less expensive, 40% less cost, et cetera, et cetera.

00:15:14.960 But, you know, what does that mean about the future of construction jobs?

00:15:18.200 You know, maybe they're not going to be around because these robots are going to build.

00:15:21.540 So I want to make sure we're creating the jobs of the future, not the jobs of the past.

00:15:26.260 I have to tell you, Stephen, it's so amazing you said this.

00:15:28.900 I worked on something last night based on a question that Stu asked me yesterday on what should we be building.

00:15:36.040 And I want to send this to you, some of my notes for my monologue in hour three today.

00:15:40.540 I'd love to get your opinion before I go on the air with it to see if I'm missing or if I'm on the right track.

00:15:46.000 Because I am exactly the same place.

00:15:48.920 If it means bringing back old jobs and we're like, Pittsburgh is going to come back with a steel industry.

00:15:54.120 We're just going to build another declining Pittsburgh.

00:15:58.020 Exactly.

00:15:58.860 Yep.

00:15:59.700 And that's why, you know, we need to make, you know, one of the biggest problems in our country.

00:16:03.880 It's something you and I have talked about over the years is our education system.

00:16:07.440 Yes.

00:16:07.740 If we're not producing kids that can read and do basic math, we've got Houston, we've got a problem in this country.

00:16:14.940 We need the most skilled, most intelligent, best equipped workers in the world, and we will continue to lead.

00:16:21.500 And look, I'm very, as I said, I'm bullish.

00:16:23.700 Europe is still living in the 20th century.

00:16:27.040 Oh, yeah.

00:16:27.880 20 is apparently in the 20th century.

00:16:30.040 None of it worked.

00:16:30.840 Right.

00:16:31.160 I mean, Germany has been de-industrialized.

00:16:34.980 And that is by the choice of the elites.

00:16:38.080 Exactly.

00:16:39.120 Yeah.

00:16:39.620 I mean, they thought the future was windmills. 1.00

00:16:42.660 How stupid is that? 0.99

00:16:43.660 Well, Holland's been on that for a while. 1.00

00:16:51.420 Stephen, great to talk to you.

00:16:52.780 Thank you very much, my friend.

00:16:53.900 Appreciate it.

00:16:54.260 Thank you, Glenn.

00:16:54.640 You bet.

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00:18:07.940 This is the best of the Glenn Beck program.

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00:18:14.720 Hiram Sasser is with us.

00:18:15.980 First Liberty Institute Executive General Counsel.

00:18:18.160 On the Judiciary.

00:18:20.680 Last night, I showed you some of the names and organizations that are funding this judicial coup against Trump.

00:18:28.940 And that is exactly what it is.

00:18:31.220 And it is well orchestrated, well planned, and well funded.

00:18:35.400 What do we do about it?

00:18:36.940 Hiram, welcome to the program.

00:18:38.820 Hey, thanks for having me.

00:18:39.800 You bet.

00:18:40.560 So, last night I kind of went through these.

00:18:42.760 And it is sickening to see how well planned this is.

00:18:46.460 And it has nothing to do with anything other than thwarting Donald Trump and his agenda.

00:18:52.460 It doesn't have anything to do with the actual law or anything else.

00:18:55.720 These are the same people that were planning for his impeachment before he took president the first time.

00:19:03.420 You know, what I always find amazing is that everybody thinks that this is like a practice, right?

00:19:07.880 Like we get to run our plays and there's no opponent going to be on the other side.

00:19:11.680 Right.

00:19:11.820 I mean, there's a team on the other side.

00:19:14.820 They're very smart and they're well organized.

00:19:17.220 And they work really hard for the things that they believe in.

00:19:20.800 And so we have to work doubly hard.

00:19:22.920 Look, the nationwide injunction thing has really gotten out of control.

00:19:27.160 I mean, in the 20th century, it sort of kind of emerged in the 60s.

00:19:30.960 You have a few here and there.

00:19:32.560 I think a couple against President Reagan, a few against President Clinton.

00:19:39.980 By this time in Biden's administration, there were only three.

00:19:44.560 There's like 159 now.

00:19:47.520 Well, that's right.

00:19:48.160 Well, look, they've really ramped up the cost.

00:19:51.440 What's fascinating, by the way, Glenn, is that the left complained about nationwide injunctions when they were applied, when, you know, all like, you know, basically 14 of them were applied to the Biden administration.

00:20:04.660 What people don't understand, really, is that there's only two institutions that can fix this problem of nationwide injunctions.

00:20:15.320 Either the Supreme Court's going to have to put an end to it, which they can, or Congress is going to have to put an end to it, which they can.

00:20:21.520 But there's no way, really, from a legal standpoint, to stop until we get to one of those two inflection points.

00:20:30.840 But what I think is very, very critical is that if you would look, like you look at Judge Kaczmarek, for example, when he enjoined the FDA's approval of abortion drugs.

00:20:43.280 One of the things that he did was he actually halted his order for a week to allow for an emergency appeal by the United States.

00:20:53.460 Like what Judge Boasberg was doing, you know, turning the planes around.

00:20:57.420 I mean, that's just, that's beyond the pale.

00:21:00.900 Now, he, even with the power to issue a nationwide injunction, a district court judge should give the government the opportunity to do an emergency appeal in order to be able to have somebody else grade their papers.

00:21:14.020 And unfortunately, that's, this isn't about the rule of law.

00:21:17.040 This is about trying to control the policy, and that's the big problem.

00:21:19.640 Right. I mean, when, you know, the left cheered when Joe Biden didn't just go against the district court, he went against the Supreme Court and said,

00:21:29.240 well, they told me I couldn't spend this money, which is clearly unconstitutional.

00:21:34.480 And, you know, we're just going to give all these refunds and pay all these people's school bills.

00:21:40.460 He couldn't do that.

00:21:41.680 And then when the Supreme Court came out, he said, I'm just going to find another way to do it.

00:21:45.060 He did it over and over and over again.

00:21:46.960 I don't have a problem if you are violating the Constitution.

00:21:50.540 If President Trump is violating the Constitution, that is the Supreme Court's job to say, hang on, you can't do that.

00:21:57.380 It is not the district court's place to stop an administrator from doing administrative work.

00:22:06.120 It is the Supreme Court's place.

00:22:09.340 And, I mean, I suppose you as a district judge could get involved.

00:22:14.720 I don't think you should, at least at this kind of level that they are.

00:22:18.560 You know, no district court said, hey, you got to turn the Enola Gay around. 0.98

00:22:22.440 No, the president, that's his responsibility to do that, not court.

00:22:27.620 Congress, yes, not a court.

00:22:31.240 How far out of control is all of this, just to put it into perspective for the average person?

00:22:38.360 Well, look, what's going on is that you have one judge issuing an injunction against the entire United States government

00:22:48.020 that is embodied in the power of one man, the only person who is elected by the entire nation,

00:22:55.940 and the entire executive branch is housed in one person and the people that that person decides to employ in order to effectuate policy.

00:23:05.680 Then you have this one district court judge, not elected by anybody, who's telling that person what to do.

00:23:11.800 Look, what really needs to happen is the Supreme Court needs to put a clamp on this.

00:23:18.660 And at the very least, all these decisions, they need to be put on ice until they go to the U.S. Supreme Court for the final resolution.

00:23:27.300 Now, if the court says, hey, I agree with that judge, that's fine.

00:23:29.780 That's the Supreme Court.

00:23:31.300 Then Congress can step in and fix it.

00:23:33.080 But that's the real – that's where the rubber meets the road is that you're – and the left, remember they complained.

00:23:40.820 Remember during the Biden administration, it's all about forum shopping.

00:23:43.080 Do you remember all the discussions about forum shopping?

00:23:45.220 Remind people.

00:23:46.740 Yeah, look, all the left complained about is, well, you know, anytime anyone wants to sue the Biden administration, you know,

00:23:53.640 they go to Texas, you know, and they go find some district court judge in Texas.

00:23:58.680 Well, I've noticed that – I've noticed that none of the people on the left that are suing the Trump administration,

00:24:03.060 they're not filing their cases in Texas, right?

00:24:05.780 They're going to find – they're going to go find their judges.

00:24:09.560 And here's the fascinating part.

00:24:11.820 You remember all those attacks on judges?

00:24:14.360 I mean, Judge Kaczmarek in Amarillo had a billboard just outside his neighborhood to remind his kids of what a horrible person he is, all right?

00:24:24.540 I remember that.

00:24:24.880 And we don't – you don't see the – I never saw the Federal Judges Association issue a statement defending the judicial independence of Judge Kaczmarek.

00:24:34.400 And that's why Judge Ho actually resigned recently from the – he's out of Fifth Circuit.

00:24:38.800 Judge Ho resigned from the Federal Judges Association because he didn't – he basically couldn't stand – what he said was he couldn't stand the hypocrisy of what was going on

00:24:49.000 with the fact that they now issued a statement trying to defend the independence of the judiciary because of, you know, all this rhetoric about these judges are – you know, that's a threat to judicial independence.

00:25:01.940 It – the hypocrisy runs thick here.

00:25:05.160 The left is against injunctions until they're for them.

00:25:08.960 They're against judicial independence until they need it.

00:25:12.860 They are constantly switching sides just because it's a fight about power and whatever gives them the power.

00:25:22.120 So, look, bottom line is this.

00:25:24.420 It's up to Congress.

00:25:25.280 There's a bill in front of Congress.

00:25:26.420 They're debating it now, hopefully, that they can address nationwide injunctions.

00:25:30.620 Look, one last thing I'll say, Glenn, is this.

00:25:32.340 When we represented Navy SEALs to sue the United States Navy because of the COVID vaccine mandate violating their religious – their religious objections to the – to taking the vaccine, we had Navy SEALs.

00:25:45.000 We didn't do a nationwide injunction at First Liberty.

00:25:48.420 We actually did the right thing.

00:25:50.700 We filed a class action lawsuit.

00:25:52.300 We followed all the rules of filing a class action lawsuit, and that's – and that's how we were able to win, and we defeated the Navy.

00:25:58.940 There is a way to do this right.

00:26:00.820 Getting rid of nationwide injunctions is not going to – it's not going to hamstring anybody.

00:26:04.920 Everybody can do it the way we did it at First Liberty and still win.

00:26:07.720 Yeah, I tell you, it's – but it's – you know and I know.

00:26:09.960 It's not about winning.

00:26:11.260 This is just about destruction.

00:26:13.080 This is just about hobbling this administration so we can't get anything done.

00:26:18.080 And they'll just keep moving on from one another.

00:26:19.680 They've already planned, I think, like another hundred lawsuits by the end of the year.

00:26:25.320 He hasn't done anything yet.

00:26:27.320 And they've already like, yeah, you know, wait until you see what's coming next fall.

00:26:32.140 How did – what – what are you talking about?

00:26:34.220 How are you planning all these lawsuits in advance?

00:26:37.000 Well, it – well, it – look, it's called lawfare.

00:26:39.420 This is – this is – the left has always been – has always been better at it.

00:26:44.360 Have you noticed, you know, they always have to – now they have to attack – the left has to attack the Supreme Court.

00:26:48.960 You know, we had to come out in great defense of judicial independence.

00:26:52.340 You know, the left loves judicial independence for their district court judges, but they never talk about it for the Supreme Court.

00:26:56.920 They don't mind the protesters outside Justice Kavanaugh's house, you know, with his daughters, like, looking out the window to see people, like, chanting, you know, death to their dad, right?

00:27:07.240 Like, the left doesn't care about the attacks of the Supreme Court.

00:27:10.320 Why?

00:27:10.720 Because they don't feel like that those are – that they own that court anymore.

00:27:14.660 But if you go back in time when the left had a stranglehold on the U.S. Supreme Court, you go back 20 years, oh, oh, the American Bar Association, the ACLU, all they ever talked about was judicial independence.

00:27:26.700 All they ever talked about was defending the judiciary.

00:27:29.740 Look, it's not about principle for the left.

00:27:32.140 It's just about power.

00:27:33.660 And on our side, we have fought principally and with principles in order to try to advance the missions that we want to advance in court.

00:27:44.840 And it's time that the Supreme Court put a clamp down on some of the nonsense or Congress.

00:27:49.320 But one of those two is going to have to do it.

00:27:51.200 Hiram, thank you so much.

00:27:52.100 Hiram Sasser.

00:27:52.820 He is the First Liberty Institute Executive General Counsel.

00:27:56.260 You can find their website and support them, firstliberty.org or on X, at First Liberty.

00:28:04.080 This is the best of the Glenn Beck Program.

00:28:11.840 All right, there are three things I want the president of the United States to stand hard on right now.

00:28:19.100 If I had his ear and I was like, okay, Mr. President, here's what you do. 0.61

00:28:23.200 He'd look at me like, what the hell?

00:28:25.460 Glenn, you think I'm going to listen to you?

00:28:27.640 But let me give him some advice anyway.

00:28:30.960 I want the president to hammer three things.

00:28:33.180 First, today, I would urge him to take an axe to the regulations today in breathtaking ways.

00:28:42.200 That's number one.

00:28:43.360 I want him to show up actually with an axe and say, I am going to cut regulations so we make this country more competitive.

00:28:53.580 No need for this government to get into your way of your dreams.

00:28:59.080 The states want to do that.

00:29:00.520 That's fine.

00:29:01.700 You know, if you're obviously going to pump poison into the rivers and everything else, then we're going to get involved in that.

00:29:07.260 But no more of this overregulation.

00:29:09.860 And I'm cutting them today in breathtaking ways.

00:29:13.260 And then I want him to shame the Congress.

00:29:16.320 You know, Congress is going out on like a three-week vacation now.

00:29:20.060 I don't, I mean, must be nice, guys.

00:29:22.320 Wow.

00:29:22.960 Insider trading and unlimited vacations, it seems.

00:29:26.740 At some point, they're going to come back and they're going to make those tax cuts that we got eight years ago permanent.

00:29:33.600 That's not what we voted for.

00:29:35.380 We didn't vote for that.

00:29:36.460 We voted for significant tax cuts.

00:29:40.060 We want you to reduce the deficit.

00:29:42.620 We want you to give us significant tax cuts.

00:29:45.480 We want you to get out of our way.

00:29:50.720 And Donald Trump said the last thing we have to do is raise tariffs.

00:29:54.340 Well, he raised tariffs yesterday.

00:29:56.360 Congress, shame on you. 0.91

00:29:57.920 Be bold.

00:29:58.700 See the times that we're in.

00:30:00.160 We're in bold times.

00:30:02.240 Do you have any courage to be bold at all?

00:30:04.480 Okay, so he raised the tariffs.

00:30:07.480 And what everybody is saying is great.

00:30:08.920 This is going to bring back American manufacturing.

00:30:11.040 That instinct is right.

00:30:13.160 We have to bring jobs back to America. 1.00

00:30:15.780 We have outsourced way too much.

00:30:18.200 We've hollowed out our middle class.

00:30:20.120 And all we are now is on a managed decline.

00:30:24.320 That's really what the course is, managed decline.

00:30:27.140 Donald Trump is trying to flip that.

00:30:28.860 We have made ourselves so vulnerable to foreign supply chains, you know, that at best, you know, they don't care about us. 0.98

00:30:38.420 At worst, some of these foreign supply chain providers, I mean, they want to destroy us. 1.00

00:30:43.200 So what are we doing?

00:30:44.140 So here's the truth.

00:30:47.140 If all we have to do is chase the old jobs, we're going to end up building the ghost towns of opportunity for tomorrow.

00:30:56.040 You just, you can't do it.

00:30:57.780 Because the factories with lights on but no people on inside, that's coming, okay?

00:31:04.240 This time, when the factories come back, they're not bringing back the same jobs.

00:31:10.400 They're going to be done by robotics, sensors, AI systems.

00:31:14.800 And if we don't think bigger and broader and bolder, we are going to miss the opportunity to build the nation that doesn't just survive.

00:31:23.880 It's the nation that leads.

00:31:26.280 We have to stop thinking about America's future like it's a rerun of 1954.

00:31:32.300 It's not.

00:31:32.880 GM's not coming back.

00:31:34.320 The big factories aren't coming back like that.

00:31:36.400 And the goal is never to return to the past.

00:31:38.760 Do you think in 1954 they were like, oh, man, if we could just have those big factories, you know, milling those cotton? 0.95

00:31:45.680 No.

00:31:46.840 They weren't thinking like 100 years ago.

00:31:49.060 Why are we?

00:31:51.380 The goal is not to return to the past.

00:31:53.940 The goal is to build what the world needs tomorrow and make sure we're the ones that are controlling it.

00:32:01.640 So, when we talk about bringing jobs back, what are the jobs we should be looking for?

00:32:06.960 What do we build?

00:32:08.560 Well, first of all, we build chip foundries.

00:32:10.880 Okay?

00:32:11.140 Not one, not two.

00:32:12.680 Dozens of them all over the country.

00:32:15.140 Dozens of chip factories.

00:32:16.900 Because every single car, every missile, every drone, every phone, every satellite, every AI model depends on those chips.

00:32:25.560 We must control the chips.

00:32:27.620 Right now, the majority of high-end chips come from Taiwan, which is 100 miles off the coast of a very aggressive and unstable China.

00:32:37.920 Do you think if things get tough we're going to have access to those chips?

00:32:44.400 And we can't just have Taiwan come in and say, oh, we're going to build one factory here.

00:32:48.420 No, dozens of those factories.

00:32:52.180 Redundancy.

00:32:53.900 You know, having everything coming from Taiwan, that's not a supply chain.

00:32:57.140 That's a hostage situation ready to happen.

00:33:00.880 We need to bring the entire chip ecosystem home.

00:33:04.820 That means the raw materials, the design, the fabrication, the packaging, the protection.

00:33:10.320 That's sovereignty.

00:33:11.720 That's bringing America into the future, not back to 1954.

00:33:17.760 Another thing, and I wouldn't mind going back to 1954 on this one because we at least got this one right. 0.62

00:33:23.360 We need to build nuclear power.

00:33:26.620 Period.

00:33:28.220 And not the creaking, you know, the creaking concrete dinosaurs of the Cold War.

00:33:33.080 We need to build small modular reactors.

00:33:36.500 We have them now.

00:33:37.360 AI-optimized grid systems, next-generation thorium designs that are faster, that are cheaper, that are cleaner, that are safer.

00:33:48.780 Why do we need them?

00:33:49.880 Because of the data centers.

00:33:51.540 These data centers are going to eat up so much of our electricity.

00:33:55.920 If you don't build these things now and you want to stay competitive with AI as a nation, you're going to be having brownouts.

00:34:03.600 Because the data centers are going to need them.

00:34:06.440 So if we are ahead in AI, but we didn't build enough electricity, you're going to be living in brownouts.

00:34:13.440 That's not a good idea.

00:34:14.640 That's not how we lead.

00:34:16.480 If you want to run the data centers, the factories, the server farms, the electric vehicles, all without choking our air, and all without depending on any foreign oil, nuclear is not an option.

00:34:29.260 It's the foundation.

00:34:32.080 And if we would pursue this new technology, it's already here.

00:34:37.200 If our government would help by just deregulating, not the crazy stuff, well, actually deregulating the crazy stuff, not the protections against the crazy stuff.

00:34:48.100 Make sure these things are safe, but build them.

00:34:52.480 Then server farms.

00:34:53.860 I don't want the government building a single server farm.

00:34:56.320 Not one.

00:34:57.180 But I do want the government, and this would create a lot of jobs, to build data fortresses.

00:35:03.820 Server farms, domestic cloud infrastructure.

00:35:07.240 Let the private sector fill the buildings with the latest and the greatest.

00:35:10.960 Let them carry all the risk.

00:35:12.500 Let them, oh, gee, this is something brand new.

00:35:14.800 We've got to get rid of all that.

00:35:15.840 Good.

00:35:16.040 They carry all of that.

00:35:17.980 But perhaps it is the government's job to build a fortress around those centers to protect it.

00:35:25.240 That's where the real money can come in, and businesses will say, I want, because they're protecting it, it's safe here.

00:35:33.020 However, the backbone of every single AI model, every defense system, every modern company, it's all going to be on data, period.

00:35:43.780 And we're hosting far too much of it right now on foreign-owned systems.

00:35:49.100 We're in single points of failure.

00:35:51.060 Not a good idea.

00:35:52.240 We need hardened, distributed, secure computing across the country.

00:35:56.760 Our future should not be held together by luck, some Band-Aids, and third-party logins.

00:36:04.180 What are we doing?

00:36:05.420 So forget about building, you know, the new GM plant of the future.

00:36:10.240 These are the things that we should be focused on.

00:36:12.880 We need to build robotics hardware, because while AI is the brain, robotics is the body.

00:36:19.820 And whoever builds the controls, whoever builds the body controls the labor of the future, okay?

00:36:27.060 Because it's not going to be you working on an assembly line.

00:36:30.340 It will be a robot.

00:36:32.640 China is pouring billions of dollars into robot manufacturing.

00:36:36.300 If they control the means of automated production, they control the next industrial revolution.

00:36:42.760 Have you seen their docks compared to our docks?

00:36:45.000 We're not doing anything because of all of our labor unions.

00:36:47.740 China doesn't care about the labor unions, okay? 1.00

00:36:50.560 I don't think that's a good thing.

00:36:52.540 I don't like China's model. 0.98

00:36:54.880 But if we don't understand that they will put us out of business if we don't adapt to what is happening,

00:37:02.260 we are going to be left in the dust.

00:37:05.200 All of this stuff is not worth anything.

00:37:07.800 All the pain that you will be feeling at the grocery store and everything else,

00:37:11.460 all of the arguing, all of the fighting that we have done to try to save our country

00:37:16.100 is over in the next five years if we're not understanding what I'm saying to you right now.

00:37:21.920 We cannot allow China to lead in AI or automation from agricultural bots to surgical systems. 0.99

00:37:34.340 It has to be led by us.

00:37:35.940 We also need to create new jobs in rare earth processing and strategic minerals refining.

00:37:44.460 Right here, we have to do it.

00:37:46.260 Even if it costs us more for a while, these are the jobs that must be brought to America. 0.90

00:37:51.940 We must create them.

00:37:53.940 Finding, the mining, the refinery of our own rare earth minerals

00:37:58.000 because you can't build a single solar panel.

00:38:00.740 You can't build an electric motor, a wind turbine, a guidance system without these materials

00:38:07.840 because you can't build the chips.

00:38:09.880 And right now, China controls about 90% of all of the global refinery.

00:38:15.900 We dig the ore here and then we send it to them.

00:38:19.060 That's not just bad policy.

00:38:20.560 That's national suicide.

00:38:21.840 What are you doing?

00:38:23.240 We need to mine smarter, refine cleaner, and stockpile strategically.

00:38:28.420 Seriously, we need to build next generation alloys and materials

00:38:32.720 because very soon AI is going to start discovering new substances

00:38:36.420 that we never would have thought of.

00:38:38.540 It's going to look at the periodic tables and it's going to say,

00:38:40.820 why are you using steel?

00:38:41.860 You want to build a steel plant?

00:38:43.200 Why?

00:38:43.900 Take this, this, this, combine it in this way,

00:38:46.260 and it's going to make something that's twice as light and three times as strong.

00:38:51.580 Stronger than carbon fiber, heat resistant, self-healing,

00:38:55.300 all of that stuff is coming.

00:38:56.940 These are going to change the way we build planes, buildings, armor, spacecraft,

00:39:03.400 maybe even the way we heal the body.

00:39:05.820 Profound change is here before 2030.

00:39:09.440 We should not be watching any of this from the sidelines.

00:39:13.060 The United States of America needs to lead it.

00:39:15.580 If we are going to have another great renaissance

00:39:19.120 and have what Donald Trump says, this new golden age,

00:39:23.700 we have to be leading this stuff.

00:39:27.320 We have to be building biomanufacturing, domestic pharmaceutical productions.

00:39:33.160 You know, the next war may not be fought with bullets.

00:39:36.580 It might just be fought with a virus.

00:39:39.980 Antibiotics, hormones, vaccines.

00:39:42.160 Ninety percent of our active pharmaceutical ingredients still come from China and India.

00:39:48.480 That's madness.

00:39:49.620 That's a chokehold.

00:39:52.060 We need redundancy.

00:39:54.200 We need it here.

00:39:55.940 We need it now.

00:39:57.740 We need to build vertical farms,

00:40:01.440 regenerative agriculture,

00:40:03.820 AI-powered food networks.

00:40:07.460 You can't eat patriotism.

00:40:10.440 I want the farms to survive.

00:40:12.040 I want American domestic products here.

00:40:14.100 But we have to see what's over the horizon

00:40:17.020 and start building those jobs.

00:40:19.480 It would be like if I'm saying,

00:40:20.980 you know what, farmers?

00:40:22.020 We're going to bring back the jobs of the farm of the old days, 0.90

00:40:25.100 and I send you a horse and a plow to strap.

00:40:28.800 You wouldn't want that.

00:40:29.760 We must think differently.

00:40:34.400 You know, in a crisis,

00:40:35.760 if all of our ports are down,

00:40:37.980 our shelves are empty in days.

00:40:40.740 We need cities to grow their own food,

00:40:43.300 farms that rebuild the soil,

00:40:46.100 systems that ensure that every American can eat.

00:40:49.560 And a quick reminder here,

00:40:51.040 you know, with very few exceptions here,

00:40:55.700 when I say we need to build,

00:40:57.360 I don't mean the government.

00:41:00.300 With very few exceptions,

00:41:01.860 like defense,

00:41:03.380 the private market does all of this.

00:41:05.900 What the government can do is reduce our taxes,

00:41:10.200 reduce the taxes on builders and entrepreneurs,

00:41:13.660 reduce the regulations.

00:41:16.200 Help us help you.

00:41:20.160 I don't care what's happening on the other side of the globe.

00:41:22.800 I don't.

00:41:24.260 We need to build freight infrastructure.

00:41:26.560 We need to build corridors that let us move our supplies and our goods across the country without ever having to touch a foreign port.

00:41:36.920 And we don't need better roads.

00:41:40.080 My gosh,

00:41:40.560 how many times do we have to pay?

00:41:41.620 We need more resilient roads.

00:41:43.940 Do you know some of the concrete,

00:41:45.420 some of the things that are being produced now in other countries that we're so far behind on?

00:41:50.040 And yes,

00:41:51.980 maybe we build a steel mill from time to time,

00:41:54.560 but not the ones we remember.

00:41:56.400 We build automated,

00:41:57.460 modular,

00:41:58.080 ultra clean,

00:41:58.880 micro mills that forge the next generation of steel in smaller batches,

00:42:03.980 closer to where it's needed,

00:42:05.500 because the future is not about bulk.

00:42:07.720 It's about agility.

00:42:08.960 It's about speed.

00:42:10.200 It's about precision.

00:42:12.020 That is the new industrial revolution.

00:42:14.220 The question isn't,

00:42:16.700 will America bring jobs back?

00:42:17.980 The question is,

00:42:19.080 will America build what the future depends on?

00:42:23.120 If we get stuck in this,

00:42:25.160 trying to resurrect the past,

00:42:26.960 we're going to be outpaced by nations that are inventing right now.

00:42:31.180 They're inventing what's next.

00:42:33.540 Tariffs are just a tool,

00:42:34.640 a lever,

00:42:35.400 but they're not vision.

00:42:37.620 We need to think like builders again,

00:42:40.000 like pioneers,

00:42:41.020 like people who understand that the goal is not just,

00:42:44.140 to have a job.

00:42:45.540 The goal is to have the capacity to survive,

00:42:48.420 to compete and to lead.

00:42:51.580 Let's build what matters.

00:42:54.580 Not nostalgia,

00:42:56.340 not for headlines,

00:42:58.100 but because the future can't wait.

00:43:01.880 And if we're not leading that,

00:43:03.840 if we're not shaping the future,

00:43:05.740 believe me,

00:43:06.560 someone else will.

00:43:08.740 I want us to do it.

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The Glenn Beck Program - April 03, 2025

Best of the Program ｜ Guests： Stephen Moore & Hiram Sasser ｜ 4⧸3⧸25

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