The Glenn Beck Program - Best of the Program ｜ Guests： Steve Friend & Dr. Gad Saad ｜ 8⧸11⧸23

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00:01:21.980 All right, we have Steve Friend with us now.

00:01:40.240 He's an FBI whistleblower.

00:01:41.900 He objected to being part of the January 6th raids.

00:01:45.800 He is the author of True Blue, and I wanted to get him on because he is a guy who was in a SWAT team, and I want to know what happened in Provo, Utah the other day.

00:01:59.020 We had a guy who was really not able to get around.

00:02:03.940 He was 75 years old.

00:02:05.320 He was a guy just blowing off steam.

00:02:08.220 Now, I don't agree with what he did and what he said.

00:02:13.240 I think the FBI should have investigated him, but not break his door down at 6 o'clock in the morning and come in with a tank through his front bay window.

00:02:25.920 Maybe it's just me.

00:02:28.060 Let's go to Steve Friend, who was part of SWAT teams for a long time until he couldn't take the FBI anymore.

00:02:34.280 Steve, welcome to the program.

00:02:36.360 Thanks for having me today, Glenn.

00:02:37.400 So, the FBI SWAT team, tell me how this would work.

00:02:41.600 You get a credible threat in, and you check it out.

00:02:45.400 Somebody goes and tries to visit his house.

00:02:48.120 He's like, you know, you don't have a warrant, and I'm not talking to you.

00:02:51.360 Bring a warrant back.

00:02:52.840 Then he makes more threats on the social media.

00:02:58.160 But you've seen him.

00:02:59.220 You know him.

00:02:59.660 Do they do any investigation about who this person is, or are they just going to the house?

00:03:07.400 Well, I think that's a huge problem with this particular case, because those original threats were made about five months ago, and the agents went to his house and assessed it, and either deemed that he was not an imminent threat or they were having a hard time pushing charges forward.

00:03:22.780 But because he made these recent threats against the president, they used those earlier threats as additional leverage in the write-up of the affidavit for his arrest to make him seem like a greater threat and enhance the ability and enhance the tools and likelihood that SWAT would be a likely means to bring him into custody.

00:03:41.560 And there's also the fact that the special agent in charge of the Salt Lake City office is brand new, and that's somebody who basically has their rank on their sleeve with their Velcro, and they're not going to be pushing back against the predominant line of thinking that if there's a threat of violence against the sitting president, that we need to use the special weapons and tactics team to bring them into custody.

00:04:06.380 So is this, was this attack on this man's home, was this to send a message? Was it just incompetence, laziness? What happened?

00:04:20.380 I think that it is a result of the fact that the FBI is now viewing their agents as case managers, as opposed to the agents who investigate the cases.

00:04:34.460 And there's this mentality that permeates. And actually, in the software where you have your case files housed, you're called a case manager.

00:04:40.620 And when you're the case manager, you're sort of moving chess pieces around the board.

00:04:43.680 So if you need financial analysis done, you send the records over to the forensic accountant.

00:04:48.280 And if you need evidence to be analyzed, you send it over to the lab.

00:04:51.640 And eventually, when it comes time to arrest the subject, you send the SWAT team, because those are the arrest guys that do that.

00:04:57.660 And when SWAT gets involved, they have a matrix. It's overly broad.

00:05:02.520 Just the threat of violence or the suspicion that there might be a firearm is enough to send SWAT, and that's regardless of whether or not the person is prohibited from owning a firearm.

00:05:11.340 And then SWAT is going to use its protocols. It's going to come in at 6 o'clock in the morning.

00:05:16.320 That's the earliest typically that you're allowed to do that, because it's speed, surprise, and violence of action.

00:05:20.920 You're hoping to overwhelm the person so that there's not going to be a threat.

00:05:24.120 But in this case, they had had a history with this gentleman, and they obviously knew that he wasn't an imminent threat or maybe not even physically capable of bringing these threats to fruition.

00:05:35.440 And he wasn't necessarily very ambulatory. So I think there was far better options if they had actually taken a step back and had rushed.

00:05:44.260 But I think when there's this threat here, there's always this pressure that we have to use the tool at our disposal, because it breezes well up the chain of command.

00:05:52.040 You don't want to be the leader that said, well, I sent two agents to his house instead of a SWAT team when he threatened to kill the president.

00:05:57.600 So what is the purpose of a flash bomb?

00:06:05.580 A flashbang is a diversionary device. It doesn't shoot out any sort of projectiles.

00:06:13.360 If you hold it in your hand, you might have a chance of being burned.

00:06:16.960 But it essentially gives the operators about one and a half seconds where it would temporarily make the person blinded, would impair their hearing for some time afterwards.

00:06:27.780 And it allows you to get multiple people into a room before they're able to respond and then maybe fire on you.

00:06:33.820 Correct. So you're not using it when you're in the room with the person and you're already positioned shouting at each other, right?

00:06:41.820 No, I mean, obviously, if you're giving verbal commands and you've thrown a flashbang, they might not actually be able to hear you.

00:06:48.920 Right. Okay. So there was a flashbang right before he was shot.

00:06:54.380 But the flashbang was not in the house.

00:06:58.840 And there's video.

00:07:00.420 The flashbang is actually thrown at like the garage door outside.

00:07:08.320 Why would that have happened?

00:07:11.820 Again, it's a diversionary technique.

00:07:13.840 So you interrupt what's called the OODA loop of the person.

00:07:17.100 So if they think that there's a tension in one area, they might be distracted.

00:07:21.180 And then you come in through another door.

00:07:22.880 It makes it safer for you to come into that other door.

00:07:26.180 No, no, no. Wait, wait, wait, wait.

00:07:27.860 No, they were gun trained.

00:07:29.660 They were already in the room.

00:07:31.760 They were shouting at each other.

00:07:33.800 And then somebody throws it outside.

00:07:38.220 Do you normally?

00:07:39.540 Yeah.

00:07:39.780 I mean, throwing it in one part of the house.

00:07:42.020 Okay.

00:07:42.900 But why would you throw it outside?

00:07:46.120 To me, if somebody is holding a gun and I hear what I think is a shot, I might just freak out and shoot.

00:07:53.360 Yeah, so I think it could have been an accident.

00:07:58.100 I mean, sometimes if you pull the pin on a flashbang anticipating to throw it but haven't thrown it, you actually have to bang out.

00:08:06.620 You have to throw it in a safe area.

00:08:07.820 Yeah, and there's a possibility that that happened, that they were anticipating needing a flashbang, and then for whatever reason, he was open the door and was then having a conversation engaging them verbally, and they needed to get that flashbang so that it wasn't going to go off in the operator's hand or anything like that.

00:08:23.400 So that's certainly a possibility.

00:08:24.840 They could have been having a verbal engagement with him through a door and then eventually decided that they were going to reach it in order to do that, distract him, throw the flashbang in another area, then reach and enter, and hopefully that would give them enough time to get to him before he could respond.

00:08:42.280 Does the FBI, do they wear cameras on their vests?

00:08:46.580 They do not.

00:08:48.200 Why?

00:08:48.500 There's a plan in place to implement body cameras, and from my understanding, there's been training done on that.

00:08:54.840 But it's not been implemented, and I'm concerned that if the decision is made to actually wear them, that the FBI will say, we don't want to reveal our tactics, so we're not going to have them rolling when we do our SWAT takedowns, but we'll use them for after effect to make sure that we're not mistreating anybody after all the smoke has cleared.

00:09:14.720 So I don't know what extent they're planning on making those recordings available, especially when it comes to SWAT, because that's rarely necessary in the prosecution of an individual that you've already built the case against them, but at that point, it's not really evidentiary.

00:09:29.700 Yeah, I'm not looking to build a case against, you know, the perpetrator here, and I'm not looking to build a case against the FBI.

00:09:40.560 I am interested in seeing the truth.

00:09:43.360 It's the same reason that, you know, people who didn't trust the police, and, you know, at times would have good reason not to trust the police,

00:09:50.760 because they demanded that we have cameras on so we could make sure the police were doing their job and not overstepping.

00:09:58.860 If the FBI is going to get involved in all of these local things and their response is to always send in a SWAT team,

00:10:10.480 I think it's important that they have cameras on them, because I don't trust them, and I don't think the American people trust them.

00:10:18.160 I agree with you on that 100%, and I think there needs to be an evaluation of the SWAT matrix.

00:10:25.100 It needs to be narrowed for special circumstances.

00:10:27.500 They're especially risky and dangerous, and there just needs to be more critical thinking when it comes time to bringing somebody into custody

00:10:33.300 using the least amount of force necessary should be what the premier law enforcement agency focuses on,

00:10:38.880 which is one of the reasons I objected to what we were doing on January 6th.

00:10:42.440 We were sending a SWAT team to arrest an individual who had pledged to cooperate with us,

00:10:46.780 and I thought that that presented an unnecessary risk to his safety and to our own.

00:10:50.920 You know, there is something to be said for local police.

00:10:56.000 The reason why local police can be much more effective is because they know the people of the community.

00:11:02.160 Now, maybe none of them knew this person on the local police, but I don't think they were even asked.

00:11:08.400 You know, when you used to have Officer O'Malley, and he was walking the beat, he knew everybody because he lived on that block.

00:11:19.400 The local police should be involved in things like this as much as possible to where they're saying,

00:11:25.540 wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute, Bob, don't you know his neighbor?

00:11:28.880 Don't you know? Because that person can knock on the door, and it's not an FBI SWAT team.

00:11:35.840 The federal government doesn't seem to care about anything other than their power, and it's got to stop.

00:11:45.020 It's got to stop.

00:11:46.900 It does, and the prime directive of the FBI should be to assist these local agencies that actually have the real-world knowledge,

00:11:52.900 the main street knowledge, and I would propose even now that the Republicans in the House use appropriations

00:11:58.620 to defund the armed agent of the FBI and force them to partner with locals because those are the agencies

00:12:04.700 that know the usual suspects, and they know the community, and when you get their approval to do an investigation

00:12:09.920 and get their participation, that creates a bulwark between an out-of-control FBI

00:12:14.080 because the sheriff is accountable to his constituents, and he can protect them from the FBI coming.

00:12:18.840 Steve, it used to be that even bank robbers, Bonnie and Clyde, weren't stopped by the FBI.

00:12:25.860 They were stopped by state troopers, and they would work with the states, etc., etc.,

00:12:30.760 and yes, it took a little more time, but the FBI came in and said,

00:12:35.440 we're going to do bank robberies because of crossing state lines.

00:12:39.540 However, they have wormed their way into almost everything that was a state crime and still is a state crime.

00:12:51.520 They just have to try it federally or try it in the state.

00:12:56.640 Why did we give them this much power?

00:12:59.720 Isn't the local and the state police good enough to be able to handle most of these things?

00:13:05.580 They are good enough, and in my experience, local police tend to be actually superior investigators.

00:13:13.120 They have the experience.

00:13:14.180 They have the guys in the detective office.

00:13:15.580 They're not straight out of the academy and thrown into an investigative role.

00:13:19.360 They're guys who were on the street and then cut their teeth there

00:13:21.960 and then eventually ascended into the detective's office.

00:13:24.660 So in my experience, those guys are actually superior.

00:13:26.860 I think the FBI brings a lot of resources to bear.

00:13:29.440 It certainly gets over $11 billion in funding,

00:13:32.220 so there's a lot of cash-strapped agencies out there that could benefit from the tools that the FBI has,

00:13:37.620 but certainly not the tradecraft that the FBI brings to bear.

00:13:40.760 And the FBI is a self-licking ice cream company.

00:13:43.740 It's like any other government bureaucracy.

00:13:46.000 Mission creeps that's in, and the opportunity to expand and look for opportunities

00:13:50.560 is just too much for them to resist.

00:13:54.280 Look no further than this radical traditional Catholic memo that was exposed further.

00:13:58.500 To me, the most disturbing word in that entire document is the word opportunity

00:14:02.940 because it means the FBI is looking for opportunities to recruit sources.

00:14:08.140 And as it looks for opportunities to collect intelligence,

00:14:11.180 it looks for opportunities to find vulnerable people who it can entrap in domestic terrorism plots

00:14:16.000 so they can pad their stats.

00:14:17.200 So there was some interesting news that came out about that yesterday,

00:14:22.360 that it looks like our director lied to Congress.

00:14:25.720 He said it was only one local guy that was doing this.

00:14:29.760 We now find out it was several FBI districts that were doing this.

00:14:34.140 Any comment or thought on that?

00:14:36.680 Well, Christopher Wray lied multiple times when he testified.

00:14:39.520 He lied about that.

00:14:40.400 He lied about not moving agents from child pornography to investigate January 6th

00:14:45.160 because I was assigned to do that, and he lied about sending agents to school boards

00:14:49.100 to surveil parents, which I was also sent to do.

00:14:52.040 So this is clearly a man who doesn't expect to be held accountable,

00:14:55.420 and it's going to be incumbent that the Republicans can make a referral over for perjury against him.

00:15:01.180 They owe that to people like Garrett O'Boyle, who testified next to me,

00:15:04.480 and the Democrats proposed for perjury charges because he mistook his legal fees

00:15:08.980 as being paid by a charity when, in fact, they were done pro bono.

00:15:11.920 But the Democrats didn't hesitate to try to besmirch his reputation.

00:15:15.740 The Republicans owe my friend Garrett O'Boyle the referral for Christopher Wray of perjury in front of them.

00:15:24.100 Steve, I appreciate everything that you're doing.

00:15:26.280 I don't find it to be a coincidence that they have reimagined our police

00:15:29.940 and weakened all of our police in the city while they are trying to grab more and more power on the federal level.

00:15:35.600 But I am grateful for whistleblowers like you that are telling the truth

00:15:40.040 and have the guts to stand up and tell the truth and have their lives destroyed.

00:15:44.200 So thank you, Steve.

00:15:46.280 Thank you very much, Glenn. God bless.

00:15:48.340 You bet.

00:15:49.120 Steve Friend, FBI whistleblower.

00:15:51.820 He objected to being part of a January 6th raid, a SWAT raid, exactly like what happened in Provo.

00:15:59.200 He said, this is way out of line.

00:16:01.300 We don't need to do this.

00:16:02.260 And he has been blowing the whistle on the FBI and has been testifying in front of Congress several times.

00:16:08.400 Hopefully, he will be part of the team that convinces Congress to defund the FBI.

00:16:16.360 Defund it.

00:16:17.920 Clean it out.

00:16:19.560 And then if we have to have one, which I'm not sure we do, very, very small.

00:16:28.420 You're listening to the best of the Glenn Beck Program.

00:16:31.060 Welcome, Gad.

00:16:33.040 How are you?

00:16:34.360 Hey, Glenn.

00:16:35.100 So good to be with you.

00:16:36.040 Gad, thank you for the introduction.

00:16:37.820 And let me just say that in the opening chapter of my book, I have a quote from you.

00:16:44.880 So you are even more famous than you already are because you take a central role in the first chapter.

00:16:51.460 Really?

00:16:52.120 What is the quote you used?

00:16:53.700 Well, it was basically when I think we spoke last when you came, when you kindly came on my show and you said, you know, I was walking into the studio today and I don't know why I was happy, but I was just filled with happiness.

00:17:05.660 And then I realized I was about to speak to Gad Saad and that made me happy.

00:17:10.060 I said, what a perfect quote for a happiness book.

00:17:12.320 Yeah, yeah.

00:17:13.740 Well, it's true, Gad.

00:17:14.660 I just love you because you are a happy warrior and you are a warrior.

00:17:19.980 I mean, you're fighting the good fight and you know what is going on up in Canada.

00:17:25.180 Boy, you guys are in real trouble.

00:17:26.440 But you are happy and and whole.

00:17:31.280 And when you when you look at this book and I haven't read it yet, but you talk about several things that I want you just to highlight here on how to live the life you want, not necessarily the life expected of you.

00:17:46.360 And my father said to me when I was young, there are two words that are so important, especially because the third word is the empowering word.

00:17:56.700 I am blank.

00:17:58.780 You better fill that in or somebody else will fill that in for you.

00:18:03.540 And that's who you'll become.

00:18:06.620 Perfectly said.

00:18:07.340 So, look, imagine your father is a pediatrician.

00:18:11.060 And so he thinks that you should become a pediatrician because you come from a long lineup of pediatricians.

00:18:15.340 But the reality is you are always interested in architecture and being an artist.

00:18:21.420 Suddenly you wake up at 70 years old after a full successful career in medicine and realize you didn't live your authentic life.

00:18:28.800 You live the life that was expected of you from your parents, from your community.

00:18:33.180 And that's a really terrible way to live life because these are types of regrets that when you look back on your life are hard to change.

00:18:40.980 So try as best as you can to know thyself so that hopefully you can make the right decisions.

00:18:46.560 You know, I was talking to somebody a few months back and he said, Glenn, you've got to learn something new.

00:18:51.860 You've got to spend an hour every day learning something new.

00:18:55.960 And I took that to heart and, you know, I just started painting about five years ago and I love it.

00:19:02.860 And I've become a pretty decent painter.

00:19:05.840 And as I was as I was painting, I was thinking about, you know, how great this is that I'm finally painting.

00:19:11.980 I've wanted to paint my whole life.

00:19:13.660 If, you know, if I had nothing but time, that's probably what I would do.

00:19:16.820 Um, and I am living my authentic life.

00:19:21.140 I know who I am.

00:19:22.360 I love what I do, but I also have other things.

00:19:24.840 And the other thing, as I was sitting there painting one day was, you know, I've always wanted to play the piano.

00:19:30.340 So I bought a piano and when I return home, I'm going to start taking lessons to learn the piano.

00:19:36.380 It's not just not living the things that others tell you to do.

00:19:41.720 It's also doing that you might have a great job that you're pursuing.

00:19:45.520 It's great, but don't sell yourself short and just say, oh, I only do this.

00:19:50.840 Would you agree with that?

00:19:52.460 Oh, absolutely.

00:19:53.640 I'll tell you an amazing story.

00:19:55.140 So this is in the chapter on regret where I say that for many things, it's never too late to change course.

00:20:02.340 So there was a gentleman who escaped around the start of when the Nazis were coming in, moved to Montreal, became a businessman.

00:20:10.260 But I decided that, you know, he just couldn't go to school, to university because, you know, life circumstances would not allow him to do that.

00:20:17.640 In his 60s, when he retired, he said, you know what?

00:20:20.400 I'm healthy.

00:20:21.320 I'm I'm I have time on my hands.

00:20:23.120 Let me enroll in an undergraduate degree.

00:20:25.940 Now he's in his 70s.

00:20:27.300 He says, hey, I'm healthy.

00:20:28.500 Let me enroll and finish my master's.

00:20:30.540 And then at the age of, I think, 91 or 92, he finally finished his Ph.D.

00:20:37.180 So when students come into my office, Glenn, telling me, well, I feel too old.

00:20:41.480 I'm 28 years old, professor.

00:20:43.320 I can go back and do my MBA.

00:20:45.520 I tell them, sit down.

00:20:47.080 Let me tell you a story.

00:20:49.640 I tell you it.

00:20:51.640 Once you stop learning, I think you begin to die.

00:20:54.160 Okay, I've got two other things that I really want to talk to you about.

00:20:58.760 And will you please come to town so we can sit down and do a 90 minute?

00:21:03.760 Oh, I would love to talk on this.

00:21:05.880 Okay.

00:21:06.320 So you write in the book that your career needs to have a higher purpose than a paycheck, which I absolutely believe.

00:21:13.760 The thing that gets me through every day is I know my life and my job have a purpose that is much bigger than success or fame or money or anything else.

00:21:26.260 And it's multiple levels of purpose.

00:21:29.120 But I think we have a whole society that is looking for purpose.

00:21:34.040 Their purpose has become, you know, fame or fortune for so many people.

00:21:39.280 How do you find your purpose?

00:21:41.780 So I, in the chapter where I talk about how to find your optimal profession, I say that all other things equal.

00:21:50.220 If you can find a profession that allows you to instantiate your creative impulse, you're well on your way to having purpose and meaning.

00:21:58.860 Now, I define creative impulse very broadly.

00:22:01.180 You can be a podcaster.

00:22:02.720 You could be a chef.

00:22:03.820 You could be an architect.

00:22:04.740 You could be a professor or author.

00:22:06.460 In other words, there are many, many ways by which I can immerse myself in the creative process.

00:22:13.480 And that, by definition, is more likely to, you know, grant you purpose and meaning.

00:22:18.740 So, you know, we need insurance adjusters.

00:22:21.900 And I respect all honest jobs, but I'm willing to bet that the insurance adjuster doesn't wake up in the morning and say, thank God I'm an insurance adjuster.

00:22:29.840 He has to find his purpose and meaning elsewhere.

00:22:31.800 But if you can find it in your job by being creative, boy, you won the lottery.

00:22:36.580 Yeah, I will tell you, though, that all thought is creative.

00:22:42.440 It's just whether you recognize it or not.

00:22:44.300 And I was just talking to somebody who was telling me a story I'm trying to remember of a friend of his who he went over.

00:22:51.040 I think he went over to his house and he was sitting there at the kitchen table and he was reading algebra books and he's an accountant or a CPA.

00:23:00.320 And he's like, huh, dig in the algebra book, huh?

00:23:05.000 And he's like, oh, yeah, no, I really I mean, numbers are so fascinating to me.

00:23:09.360 I just I just like to read and reread this stuff.

00:23:12.400 I mean, I don't get it.

00:23:14.480 But some people do have that passion for things.

00:23:17.180 Yeah, indeed.

00:23:19.340 Look, when I was doing speaking of algebra, so my undergraduate degrees in mathematics and computer science.

00:23:25.220 And so, you know, I had a very technical, quantitative training.

00:23:28.700 And because because I'm sort of a broad minded person, I like to pursue many interests.

00:23:33.900 I try to take all of my electives in fields that were as different as possible from mathematics.

00:23:39.760 So to your point about, you know, starting to paint recently, I took a ceramics course.

00:23:46.000 I mean, right.

00:23:46.440 So imagine someone who is in mathematics, you know, the most technical, theoretical.

00:23:51.460 Oh, yeah.

00:23:51.940 Well, sitting with a bunch of, you know, fine art students.

00:23:54.580 But that's what's beautiful about life.

00:23:56.840 You need to sample from the full buffet of what life offers you.

00:24:00.900 The other thing that is you talk about in the book that is so important is choosing the right spouse.

00:24:09.820 And, you know, you have to look for certain traits.

00:24:14.040 And, I mean, for me, the second time around, I got it.

00:24:18.440 I was old enough to understand.

00:24:20.460 I found a woman who saw me for the man I had hoped to be, which made me a better man and made me want to be a better man.

00:24:27.800 And a woman who loved the eternal truths of God.

00:24:31.960 And she was hot. 1.00

00:24:33.300 So I finally got it.

00:24:36.600 But I don't know if people understand what the important traits are in the right person.

00:24:43.620 So as a general maxim, I would say, look, in evolutionary psychology, there are two opposing maxims.

00:24:50.140 There's the opposite attract adage.

00:24:52.500 And then there's the birds of a feather flock together adage.

00:24:56.140 And it turns out, Glenn, for long-term success of a marriage or relationship, it's overwhelmingly the case that birds of a feather flock together, meaning you have to choose a partner with whom you share, you know, life goals, values, belief systems.

00:25:12.960 So, for example, if you, Glenn, you're a religious person and, you know, you center God and, you know, at the center of your life, then probably marrying someone who's a nonbeliever is going to put a lot of scissors in your marriage.

00:25:26.520 So look for someone with whom you share these fundamental beliefs, and that increases your chances of being successful in your marriage greatly.

00:25:34.060 What is really interesting to me is I married a woman and intentionally and she intentionally married me for, well, I mean, there was a gun involved, but she married me for the same reasons we had.

00:25:50.680 And this was her insistence, and I understood it, you know, after she explained it to me, that if we don't have the basic fundamentals in lockstep, we'll never make it.

00:26:04.240 But we are both birds of a feather in the basic core.

00:26:09.320 We never have arguments on any of the core values unless, you know, I come home and I'm like, what?

00:26:16.260 Well, no, I'm telling that fits, you know, then she's like, no, it doesn't.

00:26:19.880 Anyway, we don't have real wrestles on that.

00:26:23.720 And we are also opposites attract.

00:26:26.940 And I think it would have been the death of us if she would have been like, I'm very creative and and vision, vision driven and visionary.

00:26:36.360 She doesn't have the vision.

00:26:38.240 When I explain something, she'll go, I can't see it until I draw it out for her.

00:26:42.840 She is very pragmatic.

00:26:45.600 She is the opposite of me on those things.

00:26:48.240 And I I think that both of those things can be true at the same time.

00:26:54.660 You're absolutely right that there are some contexts where the complementarity of the two people makes a better union.

00:27:02.380 But as you said at the start of your response, when it when I'm talking about birds of a feather, I'm specifically talking about those fundamental non-negotiables.

00:27:11.660 If you have differences of opinion on those, then it just increases the likelihood of you failing in your marriage, because those are the fundamental mindsets that shape your life.

00:27:22.420 So I agree with you. Opposites attract can apply, but not for sort of the deontological, non-negotiable elements.

00:27:30.140 We're talking to Dr. Gad Saad.

00:27:32.100 His book is The Sad Truth About Happiness.

00:27:34.680 He is an evolutionary behavioral scientist who has put his work to and his knowledge toward good instead of evil.

00:27:44.860 And Gad, I want to talk to you a little bit about Canada because it is changing so rapidly.

00:27:50.480 And I fear for Canada as much as I do for the United States.

00:27:58.120 I've always found Canadians to be just much more less flighty. 0.59

00:28:03.660 You know, we're we're much more like, let's get it.

00:28:06.860 And Canada is like, OK, all right, slow down a bit.

00:28:09.400 But what's happening now, especially in the field of death, is terrifying, because I think people are being trained now to look at suicide as a reasonable option for anything, any kind of discomfort.

00:28:27.280 And that never leads to a good place.

00:28:29.940 Are you there on that or not?

00:28:33.000 Yeah, I don't know.

00:28:34.100 I'm not too familiar with some of the latest laws that have been passed.

00:28:37.800 But I agree with you that we might have a slightly more tolerant view of euthanasia than I would like it to be.

00:28:47.520 But I can tell you that Canada in general and Quebec in particular are just off the charts when it comes to the woke meter.

00:28:56.040 I recently it causes me great pain to talk about this.

00:29:00.480 But I recently got into a huge trouble in Quebec because I made a innocent, you know, fun loving joke about the Quebec accent on the Joe Rogan show.

00:29:11.800 And that ended up being covered, you know, for probably a week by every single media outlet in Quebec.

00:29:18.160 I mean, I could I could I could criticize Islam and receive less hate than having criticized the Quebec accent in a fun way. 0.98

00:29:25.840 So we've got a lot of work to do up there to try to preserve some of these foundational values that we hold so dearly.

00:29:32.700 What is happening with Jordan Peterson?

00:29:36.380 In terms of the Ontario psychology?

00:29:39.160 Yeah, where he has to yeah, where he has to go to a reeducation camp or lose his license.

00:29:47.420 That's absolutely unbelievable.

00:29:49.640 I mean, what what protects Jordan, of course, is that he he is, in a sense, too big to be intimidated.

00:29:55.260 And so he I don't know what the final result is of that thing.

00:29:59.660 But again, it speaks to such a dreadful reality where, as you said, you need to be sent to Gulag 13 for reeducation for the criminally insane.

00:30:08.940 It's unbelievable.

00:30:10.660 Can we be we were just talking about this in the, you know, the Matrix, the first Matrix, you know, was they said in the first movie was to give everybody make everybody happy and everybody had a perfect life and humans rejected it.

00:30:24.320 Are we capable of truly being happy in a good state?

00:30:31.040 I mean, America has had some really bad things, but the West, generally speaking, has been good for mankind and we have a lifestyle bigger and better and easier than anyone's ever had it. 0.94

00:30:45.000 But with the removal of some of that conflict, it seems like we just go to hell in the handbasket and start finding things to bitch and whine about. 0.93

00:30:54.320 Right. Well, I mean, that's one of the reasons why, you know, the difficulties that I went through in the Lebanese Civil War, paradoxically, actually actually make me a happier person.

00:31:04.300 Because having experienced the horrors of what societies can typically dish out, then I can always contextualize whatever is causing me to whine about some issue in the day.

00:31:16.480 I can sort of stop myself and say, wait a minute, stop whining.

00:31:20.160 You escaped miraculously the Lebanese Civil War. 0.99

00:31:23.800 And that quickly kind of jolts me back into reality, whereas I think the West takes for granted all of these foundational values.

00:31:30.440 And therefore, they go into hysteria because you make fun of someone's accent or you misgender someone at Wellesley.

00:31:36.040 Put it in context, man.

00:31:37.400 And there are a lot more things to be worried about.

00:31:41.520 Well, I don't agree with what you just said about people from Quebec.

00:31:45.740 But, I mean, if that's what you want to say, Gad.

00:31:50.780 Gad, thank you so much.

00:31:52.560 I really appreciate it.

00:31:53.660 We'll fly you down.

00:31:54.800 Let's do a podcast together because I miss you.

00:31:59.900 And even though we don't know each other very well, I really consider you a friend.

00:32:03.600 You're a really happy warrior.

00:32:06.140 Thank you.

00:32:06.620 Likewise, God.

00:32:07.280 I love you, brother.

00:32:07.920 Talk to you soon.

00:32:08.800 All right.

00:32:09.100 Bye-bye.

00:32:09.780 Dr. Gad, the name of the book is The Sad Truth About Happiness.

00:32:15.940 And he's not a guy that you would expect a, you know, a self-help book from.

00:32:24.340 But it comes from a very deep place.

00:32:27.260 He has studied our behavior, why we behave the way we do.

00:32:33.620 And he was studying it years ago for advertising purposes.

00:32:37.560 And then he started seeing, wait, there's something really deep here that we should talk about.

00:32:43.440 Gad Sad from the Gad Sad podcast.

00:32:47.740 You can find it at G-A-D-S-A-A-D, sad with two A's, dot com.

00:32:53.300 And the book, The Sad Truth About Happiness.

00:32:57.260 The best of the Glenn Beck Program.

00:33:02.440 This is the Glenn Beck Program.

00:33:04.740 Welcome.

00:33:05.640 I'm glad you're here.

00:33:07.080 It's Friday.

00:33:08.400 We wanted to bring in Jamie Kilstein, who is just, I think he's a riot.

00:33:13.420 He's got a new podcast out, backrowpod.com.

00:33:17.420 You can find it there, or the Jamie, or the, is it the Kilstein or the Jamie Kilstein?

00:33:22.840 On Instagram, it's at the Jamie Kilstein.

00:33:25.660 And then the podcast is The Back Row with Jamie Kilstein.

00:33:28.680 Okay.

00:33:29.180 So grab it.

00:33:30.800 It's really good.

00:33:32.620 He's a guy, if you don't know who Jamie is, you know, he's a comedian, been seen on Joe Rogan,

00:33:40.240 Conan, Showtime, all kinds of stuff.

00:33:44.560 And he was very, very liberal.

00:33:46.980 And I would say a little angry and depressed.

00:33:54.360 Just a bit.

00:33:55.600 Just a little bit.

00:33:56.860 Did that have to do with who I was hanging out with?

00:33:59.080 I don't know.

00:33:59.800 Maybe.

00:34:00.520 A little bit.

00:34:01.820 A little.

00:34:02.340 You have, you've changed your life so much, Jamie, and it's, it's real.

00:34:08.200 And I would have never pegged you for somebody who's like, I found Jesus.

00:34:12.800 I know.

00:34:13.900 I know.

00:34:14.240 And I bet, you know, it's like, it's me.

00:34:17.360 When I became a Mormon, I was like, no, that's crazy.

00:34:21.300 I don't want, what do you, I don't want to do that.

00:34:23.340 Right.

00:34:23.560 It was just not something I wanted to do.

00:34:26.560 Yeah.

00:34:26.920 But I, but I found it to be true and I'm like, okay, well then I gotta go.

00:34:31.580 Is that kind of where you were?

00:34:33.140 Yeah.

00:34:33.520 When you find it to be true, that's the big thing.

00:34:36.340 Because, you know, I would have mercilessly mocked someone like me, you know, 15 years

00:34:44.940 ago where it's like, okay, you lost your friends and then you found Jesus.

00:34:49.040 Okay, buddy.

00:34:49.840 Like when's the book tour coming?

00:34:52.340 Uh, when's the merch of you and Jesus holding hands on the beach or whatever.

00:34:57.780 And the thing, I mean, you know, like when you find God, it's just, you feel something

00:35:02.080 you've never felt and you don't feel the need to defend it.

00:35:05.440 You just kind of feel permanently changed and you let it affect your life in the way it's

00:35:11.220 supposed to affect your life.

00:35:12.300 Also, it is hard.

00:35:13.600 I wish it was easy.

00:35:15.060 I wish I was just like, yeah, sure.

00:35:16.900 I found Jesus.

00:35:17.660 And then I get a Christian podcast and I go on like the 700 club and all that stuff.

00:35:21.860 But being a Buddhist was super easy.

00:35:23.900 I had to sit still and meditate for 10 minutes a day and occasionally do psychedelics.

00:35:28.200 And I was like, this is great being a Christian, super hard, dude.

00:35:31.820 Like, I feel like the merch, like the baptism merch that's like, you know, I was saved.

00:35:35.960 It should just say Christianity is hard because you feel like you are constantly holding yourself

00:35:41.280 accountable to be the best version of yourself that you've ever been.

00:35:45.340 Like, I catch myself, whether it's in traffic or an argument with a girlfriend or, you know,

00:35:50.000 about to blast some stranger on Instagram.

00:35:52.820 I just, it's that cliche of like, Jesus wouldn't do this. 1.00

00:35:56.920 I shouldn't be on stupid Instagram. 1.00

00:35:58.340 And then, you know, um, but the reward, the reward is worth it. 0.99

00:36:02.060 Cause even when, uh, even when I'm depressed, I just, I feel, even when it's hard, I feel

00:36:07.740 different.

00:36:08.140 I still feel loved.

00:36:09.160 And I never had that before.

00:36:10.560 It is interesting that, you know, the Bible says, you know, the truth shall set you free.

00:36:15.140 What the Bible should say is the truth will make you miserable first. 0.52

00:36:19.900 So miserable.

00:36:21.320 It's like a hazing that happens. 0.53

00:36:24.240 Yeah, it is.

00:36:25.840 It is.

00:36:26.200 Especially in today's world.

00:36:27.800 I want to play a comedy sketch, uh, from your, uh, back row podcast.

00:36:32.520 Uh, this is you and, uh, your girlfriend just sitting at a restaurant and, uh, saying a

00:36:39.620 quick prayer before the meal.

00:36:42.040 Go ahead.

00:36:42.920 It's so nice to finally be on a date with a Christian.

00:36:45.020 I know, right? 0.99

00:36:45.740 I was just so sick of the meaningless sex. 0.98

00:36:47.780 Sex is supposed to be between a husband and a wife. 0.99

00:36:50.820 Amen.

00:36:51.040 So, like, um, how long has it been for you since you've done that?

00:36:57.840 Three years.

00:37:00.160 Three years for me, too.

00:37:01.920 You're really pretty.

00:37:03.860 I haven't been touched in so long.

00:37:16.160 So, what are your thoughts on marriage?

00:37:17.460 Immediately.

00:37:17.900 Same.

00:37:18.320 Praise God.

00:37:18.840 Let's start texting family.

00:37:19.820 Are you certain?

00:37:20.260 You're incredible, Ashley.

00:37:21.800 Anna.

00:37:22.200 Right.

00:37:22.880 James.

00:37:23.440 Jamie.

00:37:23.960 Can I call you James instead?

00:37:25.080 Uh, yeah.

00:37:25.900 It's biblical.

00:37:26.600 No, less girly.

00:37:27.560 Right.

00:37:28.440 Hey, if we're going to get married, are you mean?

00:37:30.660 A little.

00:37:31.320 Whatever.

00:37:31.720 We're doing this God's way.

00:37:32.980 Love it.

00:37:33.700 Let's change your Instagram bios.

00:37:35.260 Godly husband to Anna.

00:37:38.380 Stop.

00:37:38.900 Stop.

00:37:39.520 This isn't meant to be right.

00:37:41.240 Stop.

00:37:42.200 This is, this is so funny that, uh, I mean, this isn't the clip I was looking for, but it's

00:37:47.620 just as funny as the other one.

00:37:48.820 And this is, uh, uh, the two of you.

00:37:51.780 And I, it's so funny being in Utah where so many people, you know, actually believe,

00:37:59.260 oh, we shouldn't have, we shouldn't have sex.

00:38:02.100 I'll talk to people who are just married.

00:38:03.960 Oh, how long guys, how long ago did you guys meet?

00:38:06.960 Uh, what?

00:38:08.260 Three weeks ago.

00:38:09.360 Yeah.

00:38:09.600 Three weeks ago.

00:38:11.280 I mean, that was one of those things where even, I remember I got baptized and I'm like,

00:38:15.420 okay.

00:38:15.980 And I got baptized in November and I was like, I'm not going to have sex.

00:38:19.020 And then I was like, well, I'm not going to hook up.

00:38:20.540 And then I was like, well, let's just see what happens.

00:38:22.220 And, but I went the longest, it was the longest I ever went without, um, hooking up.

00:38:27.900 I was saying no to people.

00:38:28.740 I felt really good.

00:38:29.520 But then, I mean, this is where it does get hard.

00:38:32.800 And I think that what I, here's what I'm trying to do on the podcast.

00:38:34.980 What I'm trying to do on the podcast is not turn into the Christian version of who I was

00:38:39.380 on the left and not suddenly be like, if you don't find Jesus, you're going to go to hell,

00:38:42.900 but be like, Hey, I'm still messed up, dude.

00:38:44.800 I'm still struggling.

00:38:46.360 Um, it's still hard.

00:38:47.480 I still get depressed even when I am Christian, because the problem is sometimes you get these

00:38:52.020 Christians that, um, the only solution to their problem or to, to a problem you have 1.00

00:38:58.580 is like, well, go read the Bible more.

00:39:00.080 And I'll tell you, as a new Christian, I go to read the Bible and I go, I don't understand

00:39:04.100 half of this.

00:39:05.120 And it makes me feel almost worse.

00:39:07.340 I need to go to church.

00:39:08.340 I need my pastors to explain what things mean.

00:39:10.260 I'm new.

00:39:10.780 And so, you know, on the podcast, I talked about me trying to take sex off the table, 0.63

00:39:16.580 but then suddenly I became like a porn guy and I've never even liked porn before. 0.88

00:39:21.340 And I think porn is super insidious.

00:39:23.100 And, um, uh, but it's kind of like, uh, when you start listening to Taylor Swift, ironically, 0.84

00:39:28.780 and then suddenly you like Taylor Swift, like I was, I was watching porn just to be like, 0.91

00:39:34.340 okay, I don't want to hook up. 0.76

00:39:35.420 So I'm just going to do this.

00:39:36.280 And this is, and this is the better option.

00:39:37.940 And then suddenly I was just like, am I addicted to porn?

00:39:41.320 And so it is this constant everyday struggle.

00:39:45.100 It's not, you get baptized and you're perfect.

00:39:47.720 And I think that the, the reason a lot of people stay away from God or Christianity or

00:39:51.880 the church is because they think they kind of have to be perfect going into it.

00:39:55.780 And so I am the podcast and the sketches I make.

00:39:58.700 I mean, these were things I legitimately thought about.

00:40:01.980 Um, I'm not making fun of Christianity cause I'm a Christian.

00:40:04.880 I'm making fun of me trying to do Christianity and I, I have been shocked by the amount of 1.00

00:40:11.700 like long time Christians, the amount of pastors who are writing me who are like, thank you

00:40:15.900 for talking about this stuff. 0.97

00:40:16.800 It's ridiculous. 0.95

00:40:17.420 I can't talk about it. 0.89

00:40:18.440 And so that's kind of, I think have to, yeah, that's what keeps people away from church.

00:40:24.420 I think, I don't want to be, I don't go, I look at church as a hospital and it's triage.

00:40:31.540 Yes.

00:40:32.100 And some people are need to be like, you know, and it's usually me.

00:40:35.000 I'm like, I really need to be here today.

00:40:36.840 Okay.

00:40:37.440 Yep.

00:40:37.920 They just have a little booboo over there. 1.00

00:40:39.980 I'm hemorrhaging.

00:40:40.940 Yes.

00:40:41.200 Uh, and you, if you look at it as a hospital of sick people, not as a room full of doctors

00:40:48.380 and too many people look at it like a room full of doctors, we're, we're struggling.

00:40:53.940 You'd go to church to be able to hold on, hold the path and have just enough.

00:41:00.320 All I want is Sunday, go to church.

00:41:03.020 And can you just fill my tank up with wanting to be a better person so I can make it through

00:41:09.560 this week and then I'll see you here again.

00:41:12.100 And then if you screw up, everybody forgets.

00:41:16.800 That's why forgiveness is the main point Jesus was trying to make.

00:41:22.200 Dude, I, it's so funny.

00:41:23.880 I had to go to lunch with one of my pastors and because of the old circle that I used to

00:41:29.100 hang out with, this sounds like a bit and it's not, this is true.

00:41:32.080 I legitimately did not know what the word grace meant.

00:41:35.420 Like I knew forgiveness.

00:41:36.540 I knew love, but because there was just no grace in that, you know, liberal world that

00:41:41.140 I was in, I, I legitimately was like, Hey, can you tell me what grace means?

00:41:44.980 And he like sent me a sermon explaining what grace is.

00:41:48.200 And I was like, Oh, and, and the thing is back to what we were talking about before, the 0.76

00:41:52.760 reason I never went to church is I would see these judgmental, very flawed, hypocritical 0.98

00:41:58.860 Christians who weren't acting like they were hypocritical. 0.98

00:42:01.320 And I go, okay, I want nothing to do with this.

00:42:04.180 But then if you're actually following Jesus, you realize that like Christians should be 1.00

00:42:09.220 the least judgmental people because we know that we need Jesus because we're all screw 0.91

00:42:14.240 ups.

00:42:14.880 And so the quicker most of us can admit that like, like my pastors do, I'm so lucky.

00:42:19.300 I walked into the church I walked into because they talk about it every sermon.

00:42:23.860 They're like, Hey, don't listen to me. 0.97

00:42:25.060 I'm screwed up. 0.98

00:42:25.940 I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm a human. 0.97

00:42:28.300 That's why I need Jesus.

00:42:29.240 Let me lead you to Jesus.

00:42:30.800 I think it was you maybe off air who told me to, when I pray, pray like a conversation.

00:42:36.500 And that helped me so much because, you know, the first sketch I made was about not knowing

00:42:41.540 how to pray.

00:42:42.360 And it was just me having a mental breakdown, trying to pray correctly.

00:42:44.920 And I think a lot of people don't even pray because they think that with you, when you

00:42:49.360 told me to treat it like a relationship.

00:42:50.960 And that's what my pastors say as well.

00:42:53.060 Oh man.

00:42:53.740 I mean, that's, that's life changing, but that's not on a ton of YouTube clips, you know, like

00:42:58.900 a lot of YouTube clips just make you feel worse.

00:43:00.960 I tell you, I, uh, my son just, uh, went to college and, uh, I miss him so much.

00:43:08.800 And I was checking my text messages.

00:43:12.260 Cause now he's, you know, just working, working, working, working all the time.

00:43:15.540 And, uh, and I want to hear from him and, and I wrote to him and I said, dude, text your

00:43:22.780 dad.

00:43:23.740 And then I thought to myself, oh my gosh, have I even checked in with God?

00:43:30.740 Have I checked in today with God?

00:43:32.560 And you know, who's, who is my dad, my spiritual dad, you know, I think that's part of the

00:43:39.760 things that we miss to be able to get a true, great relationship is just like, Hey dad, thank

00:43:47.060 you.

00:43:47.440 Yep.

00:43:47.720 Thank you for that.

00:43:48.280 I'm just driving down the car right now.

00:43:49.780 And I'm just looking at how beautiful things are.

00:43:52.100 I just wanted to check in, say I'm doing great.

00:43:54.040 Yep.

00:43:54.340 Thank you that you nailed something.

00:43:56.660 I literally thought about this while jogging this morning at the hotel where I didn't believe

00:44:01.240 the whole God is your father analogy until I started thinking about this morning, how

00:44:05.800 badly I want his approval and how much I'm disappointing him.

00:44:08.160 And I'm like, ah, that's the dad I know.

00:44:10.200 Yes.

00:44:10.580 Okay.

00:44:11.560 And I like stopped to write that down because I was like, okay, I get it.

00:44:16.040 But I, what you said about gratitude, because I've caught myself so many times.

00:44:21.860 I'm an overthinker.

00:44:23.480 I've been through it.

00:44:24.700 I've been homeless.

00:44:25.760 The amount of times I've probably emailed you and been like, if you need any writers,

00:44:28.560 I am sleeping in my car.

00:44:31.320 It's been such a struggle and I've been used to just fighting for myself, fighting for myself.

00:44:35.420 And it's so ironic because when things are good, I'll be praying to God and, you know,

00:44:40.920 all this gratitude.

00:44:41.740 And then when things get rough again, I automatically go back to that habit of, I'll just take care

00:44:47.100 of this.

00:44:47.360 Or literally being like, I don't want to bother God.

00:44:49.740 Like I have imposter syndrome.

00:44:51.020 Like I don't deserve to talk to him.

00:44:54.560 And when I don't know what to do, because I've been going through a lot.

00:44:58.360 I mean, honestly, this week I've been going through a lot.

00:45:00.180 And I wrote myself to pray more because a lot of times that's when we stop praying because

00:45:06.360 we don't want to seem desperate or whatever.

00:45:08.660 And what you said is so important.

00:45:10.480 If you don't know what to pray, or if you don't know what to ask for, or you feel shame

00:45:15.700 about it, show gratitude.

00:45:17.460 Because when I don't know what to do, when I don't know what's going on in my life, I

00:45:20.180 will look at the sky.

00:45:21.260 I will put my phone away and I just go, man, thanks for this. 0.83

00:45:24.280 Like things suck right now.

00:45:25.580 And I don't know what I'm doing, but like you look at the trees and the bird, it sounds so 0.95

00:45:29.100 cliche and the bird in the sky and you just go, this is nuts, dude.

00:45:31.500 Like, this is still pretty cool.

00:45:33.020 Thank you for this.

00:45:33.820 And that gratitude, I mean, changes everything, changes everything, changes everything.

00:45:38.880 And, you know, I don't know if you look, you know, God is our, God is like the ultimate

00:45:45.860 dad, not like our real dad.

00:45:48.240 Right.

00:45:48.720 Yeah.

00:45:49.400 Well, it's hard for people when they say, you know, treat him like your dad.

00:45:52.280 I was like, oh, that's not, that wasn't a good relationship.

00:45:55.140 No, no.

00:45:56.140 And, and this is like the ultimate dad.

00:45:58.940 And I'll tell you, as you growing, become a dad yourself, you will understand him even

00:46:04.640 more.

00:46:05.160 You'll understand him how he, when, you know, when the Lord says, you know, love everyone,

00:46:12.100 love your neighbor.

00:46:13.800 It's the dad thing in you.

00:46:15.800 I don't ever, if my, all these are my children, I don't pick the children that I like and I don't

00:46:22.640 like, I love them all and I want them all near me.

00:46:25.920 And I'm certainly not like, you know what, kid, you went to the wrong school.

00:46:30.840 I told you to go to Yale. 1.00

00:46:32.200 Go to hell. 1.00

00:46:33.620 It just doesn't happen. 1.00

00:46:35.160 Right.

00:46:35.380 It doesn't happen.

00:46:36.660 Anyway, Jamie, thank you so much.

00:46:38.520 Uh, and, uh, uh, good work on your podcast and, and your growth.

00:46:43.080 I just think you're a fascinating guy to watch.

00:46:45.240 Thanks, man.

00:46:45.580 You've been a really big part of it.

00:46:46.860 Like, um, it helps a lot and seeing how sincere you've been to me off the air has really pushed

00:46:51.780 me to kind of like believe Christians.

00:46:54.500 I was like, okay, it's not an act.

00:46:57.080 This is very nice.

00:46:59.160 Jamie, thank you so much.

00:47:00.340 Thanks, man.

00:47:00.600 God bless you.

00:47:01.260 You too.

00:47:01.480 The, uh, you can find his podcast.

00:47:03.380 It's the back row podcast.

00:47:04.720 You can find it on Instagram.

00:47:06.200 You can find it wherever you get your podcast and back row pod.com.

00:47:10.800 Jamie Kilstein.

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