Ben Shapiro joins the show to talk about the border crisis, the new Nike ad, and the Oscars Live Stream disaster. Plus, Pat Gray stops by to discuss infanticide, and Will Maul joins us to discuss the new Mike Nike ad.
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00:01:03.400Welcome to the program, Stephen Crowder. How are you, Stephen?
00:01:23.080Hey, you know, I'm doing well. I just saw that ex-chair commercial. Maybe you can get me one of those because this thing sucks.
00:01:30.060Well, would you give me one of those things on your desk right in front of you? Because that's great.
00:01:34.720No, no. Other direction. Other direction.
00:01:37.040Oh, the Walther. You know what? Yeah, they're a spot. The Walther PPK. Is this what we're talking about here?
00:01:41.040This is actually made back out of Fort Smith, Arkansas. I don't know if you're – I'm sure you're familiar.
00:01:46.020I shouldn't – I say this with guests. Like, I don't know if you're familiar because I don't want to embarrass them, but I know that you know.
00:01:50.880There were all these pieces of legislation that just mounted up, and the Walther PPK you saw on James Bond couldn't be imported into the United States just because it was too small.
00:02:01.640So they created something called the PPKS, which is the exact same firearm that includes one more round, and they were made in – they licensed it to Smith & Wesson and these other companies.
00:02:11.680And now they're actually made here in the United States to German specifications. They're wonderful. So I probably can. We'll swap an X chair for a firearm.
00:02:19.720Okay. I'll get you an X chair. You get me a Walther. And keep it on the QT about the X chair. I don't want –
00:02:25.880You can't tell anybody in the government that I gave you a chair.
00:02:28.940I'll sign the background check for my buttocks.
00:02:31.340Right. Okay. So, Stephen, you had a great show on Sunday night. Very, very funny.
00:02:38.000You brought the whole team in, and you had guests, and you – some would say we're mocking the Oscars, which deserves to be mocked.
00:02:49.580And halfway through – was it even halfway through?
00:02:53.000No, it was after the very first – first off, you're very generous. It was an okay show.
00:02:57.540So – but, you know, I mean – yeah, it was right after the very first segment, ABC Disney struck us on YouTube with a hard strike so that they prevented the live stream from continuing.
00:03:08.340So thank God we're able to – we were actually able to continue that night on Facebook and get this up here, obviously, at the Blaze TV.
00:03:14.980So you had worked on this for a long time. Tell me exactly what you were doing that Disney objected to.
00:03:20.900What they objected to – I mean, I don't know. It's take your pick at any point in the program.
00:03:27.640I think they more so objected to the overall idea of the program.
00:03:30.720So we've done this for several years now. This is not our first annual Oscars live stream.
00:03:34.680These are the important things to note. We did this last year. No problems.
00:03:38.260We have a 16-hour CNN marathon live stream. No problems.
00:03:42.880I actually did that because it was a follow-up to the previous Christmas telethon where I'd been waterboarded.
00:03:46.900And I said, well, what's worse than being waterboarded? Let's watch the entire CNN clock.
00:03:52.020And frankly, this isn't a joke. I would rather be waterboarded.
00:03:56.020We actually had people quit after the 16 hours. You hear about bands breaking up?
00:04:01.140It was a 60-hour CNN live stream. People in the back room just toss up their hands and walk.
00:04:05.580They said, I can't do this. So this was not the first time we'd done this kind of stream.
00:04:09.720What happened was this year, the second we crossed 40,000, we were well on our way to 50,000 viewers that very second,
00:04:18.060which I know people say, well, viewers on television, this is very different.
00:04:21.940This isn't a rolling average. There were 50,000 people at any given second.
00:04:26.560We were shut off for copyright infringement, which, of course, it's not.
00:04:30.540We actually are adding up the numbers right now.
00:04:32.060I think there were 20-something sketches. There were five guests.
00:04:36.340And I think it's about 98% of the Oscars live stream didn't actually include the Oscars.
00:04:43.040It was in a little tiny box with us watching it, mocking it, laughing hysterically.
00:04:47.940And ABC Disney decided to try and not only hit our channel with a hard strike,
00:04:52.480but a lot of people disconnect when they hear about these things.
00:04:56.080Everyone here makes a living off of creating content.
00:04:58.700And what they're trying to do is prevent conservatives from making a living off of content.
00:05:03.680Another important thing to note, there are plenty of other Oscars live streams,
00:05:07.380others that are far less transformative.
00:05:09.440They didn't actually have a shape-of-water fish mascot fixing himself a Manhattan.
00:05:13.940They just put up a stream, and they're up there.
00:06:28.020We went down to his He Will Not Divide Us camera and did our entire show from his broadcast camera, and they sued us, and they lost.
00:06:36.320Because it turned out they had a greater viewership when we showed up in Queens to his public camera and did our show than they had at any other point.
00:06:44.080And it was determined that it was transformative.
00:06:49.640But for them to have a leg to stand on would mean you can't be a critic, things like Mystery Science Theater couldn't exist, rebuttals online can't exist.
00:06:59.140We've had, I think, The Guardian and NBC go after us because we specifically point by point debunked something Seth Meyers said or Trevor Noah has said or Samantha Bee.
00:07:53.120So, Stephen, let me broaden this a bit because this is something you and I have talked about just recently on the phone about how they are picking us off one by one.
00:08:04.460And I don't know if you saw the news today, but Tommy Robinson has been deplatformed because he said he stood by the Proud Boys and Gavin McGinnis.
00:09:46.020And then there's the court of public opinion.
00:09:47.800And right now, major media outlets are using.
00:09:50.080My guess is with Tommy Robinson, without knowing all of the facts, they probably found some kind of a legal loophole where either it was copyright or something that they could actually legally claim was a violation.
00:10:31.680And basically it makes it really easy for Facebook, YouTube, Twitter to pick you off with something.
00:10:36.660If you are creating a ton of original content, we have these documents that we're going to say, hold on a second.
00:10:41.840There was 240 minutes of the stream and three minutes were the actual Oscars.
00:10:46.360There's not a court in the world that would look at that and say, well, clearly you just ripped off the Oscars and just ran it on your channel.
00:11:57.360I don't remember which of the big three.
00:11:59.420But they asked him, when did you invent the intermittent wiper?
00:12:02.240And the other person didn't really have an answer.
00:12:04.000They said, well, you know, I kind of – I just thought it would be a good idea.
00:12:06.580And Greg Kinnear, the man who actually invented it, said, well, I remembered thinking with an eyelid that it closes when you need it intermittently, whereas a wiper would smear everything.
00:12:16.960It was just basically it went at one speed.
00:12:18.460And he said, I thought, why can't a wiper work like an eyelid?
00:12:22.720And that's what's called the flash of genius moment.
00:12:26.400Basically, any invention, you can trace back to a moment.
00:12:29.900And if they don't have a good enough story, they're often not believed.
00:12:32.880With Mug Club, I can tell you exactly where I was sitting.
00:12:34.400I was sitting at one of my favorite breweries in Michigan, and we were being attacked at that point from all these false copyrights on YouTube because we were pretty early, pretty ahead of the curve there.
00:12:59.680How about we have a – this is a physical token for people to see that they're a part of something bigger, that they're supporting content out there.
00:13:06.580And, of course, now they have access to everything, to you, to Mark Levin, to the whole lineup at The Blaze.
00:13:14.740We never wanted to be just shut down behind a paywall.
00:13:17.700We wanted to use premium content to make sure that we could be a thorn in the side of the people at social media because we don't want to get ourselves into an echo chamber and remove ourselves off of the mainstream platforms.
00:13:29.980But we also understand that they do want a Tommy Robinson.
00:13:33.200So I think we're stronger together when we do this, and we use both.
00:14:44.340Yesterday, we were at a turning point, and I'm going to get into the turning point for the country here in just a second with Pat Gray.
00:14:59.440But I want to tell you, if you know of a Democrat, warn them, this is a massive turning point, and you are going to see the Democratic leadership run towards evil fast because there is nothing restraining it now.
00:15:19.600Is there anything in our society that is lower than killing a baby?
00:15:27.380Every woman I know, when they watch a horror movie or something like that, if they go towards the children, especially a baby, and they're going to use a baby in a blood or a killing scene, that is immediately the line for almost all Americans, but definitely women.
00:15:47.200Women are like, do not touch that baby.
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00:27:51.740I mean, the truth is that the president really should use 10 U.S.C. 284.
00:27:55.420That's the provision of law that allows the Secretary of Defense to declare certain areas of the border drug corridors.
00:28:01.140Then the president can simply build additional fencing there.
00:28:03.340That doesn't require the invocation of a national emergency.
00:28:06.040It's a power the president already has.
00:28:07.840He does have funding available under the Defense Department to do some of that.
00:28:11.520And all the areas that he's talking about, the ones that smuggle people, also happens to be the ones that smuggle drugs.
00:28:17.460That doesn't mean he has to declare the entire border a drug corridor, but he can certainly declare the most high-trafficked areas of the border drug corridors.
00:28:24.380The reason that I prefer that approach is because once you have presidents starting to declare national emergencies when they can't get something through Congress, that's an incredibly dangerous precedent.
00:28:32.500Now, I hear folks on the right side of the aisle, and generally Republicans, conservatives, they'll say things like, well, if Democrats had this power, they would do it.
00:28:39.620Look how Barack Obama expanded executive power under his watch.
00:28:49.680And two, there's a difference between making the argument Democrats have already expanded the power, and we fear Democrats will expand the power.
00:28:56.420So now we're going to preemptively expand the power, handing them a tool without any excuse for us to fight back against it.
00:29:02.260Because believe it or not, there will be a Democratic president again, whether it's in two years or whether it's in four or whether it's – at some point, while we're in six, it doesn't – at some point, there will be a Democratic president.
00:29:12.100And the Democrats that we're watching right now are already saying that climate change is a national emergency.
00:29:18.320They're saying it's the greatest emergency that has ever faced the country.
00:29:20.800They're invoking things like World War II as comparison items.
00:29:24.520Well, if you think that they won't declare a national emergency over climate change and then say, OK, well, President Trump built a wall on the border.
00:29:31.540What we need to do is retrofit and wreck every existing structure in the United States, as AOC said in the Green New Deal.
00:29:37.960These people want power, and any excuse to take it will be used.
00:29:40.640I think the Democrats actually want Trump to use this because it will give them the green light to do – to really, truly become a dictator.
00:30:17.900And even if there is an emergency, we should not set this precedent.
00:30:23.440We've got to be able to stop the Democrats from doing this.
00:30:26.820You know, when they want to do all of the things that they've already tweeted, great, declare a national emergency because we think it's a national emergency on X, Y, and Z.
00:30:41.120Yeah, and they're not really hiding the ball here.
00:30:44.020And one of the things that I find to be such a problem here is that, you know, when President Trump talks about the national emergency at the border, there's no question that in a colloquial sense we have an emergency at the border.
00:30:53.220But that emergency at the border has been there for 35 years.
00:30:55.600It's not as though things have radically ramped up in recent years.
00:30:58.740The numbers are actually down in terms of border crossings.
00:31:00.780That's not to undermine the idea that there's a serious problem at the border.
00:31:04.000But the whole point here is that if President Trump is running on the platform of I'm going to secure the border and Democrats won't allow me to do so, well, then run on that.
00:31:12.000I mean, if Democrats don't want to secure the border, then they should be made to defend that.
00:31:16.100But to expand executive power simply by saying Congress won't give me what I want, so I'm going to do what I want anyway, and I'm going to grab money to do it, it's a danger – it's just the wrong thing to do.
00:31:26.380And frankly, I don't see the upside except for some temporary politically expedient headlines that the wall is not going to get built under these auspices.
00:31:52.640The trade is the power of the executive to now centralize this kind of authority in one branch of government away from the legislature, and in return you get a little bit of border fencing?
00:32:11.420So you're like, okay, I'm next in line.
00:32:13.980What does President Shapiro do today about this?
00:32:19.420Well, I mean the first thing that I do about the border situation, as I say, is I invoke 10 U.S.C. 284.
00:32:25.300I declare that there are drug corridors along the border that need to be protected.
00:32:28.280I already have the statutory authority to do that, and I build fencing there.
00:32:31.560And then the next thing I do is I go out on the campaign trail, and I say every day the Democrats don't have any interest in protecting the border.
00:32:38.600They have been attempting to ratchet down security at the border.
00:32:43.200Bottom line is the American people need to make up their minds as to whether they think this is important enough to merit an actual change in policy at the border.
00:32:49.820I just – it fails to – I fail to understand how the president can simultaneously claim that his program is immensely popular in terms of building a border wall and at the same time refuse to campaign on that against Democrats and instead declare a national emergency and just do it from the executive seat.
00:33:06.500Ben, when Obama tried to pitch DACA a million times to Congress and got rejected and then decided afterwards that he did have the authority he said he didn't have over and over and over again, it was my opinion that they didn't even believe they had this authority because if they did, they wouldn't have gone to Congress over and over again.
00:33:40.920I mean we just had a large-scale government shutdown, the longest partial government shutdown in U.S. history.
00:33:45.900What was the point of all that if the president could have just – using his authority – declared a national emergency and been done with it?
00:33:54.280I think the reason that he's not using 10284 is because he believes that if he declares a national emergency, then he's going to be able to go back to his voters and say, listen, I did all I can do.
00:34:02.400I think he understands that he's not going to get a border wall built before 2020.
00:34:06.300He's going to be able to blame the courts if they stop it.
00:34:08.260He's going to say, listen, as president of the United States, I used all the authority that I could possibly have even thought about to try and get this done for you.
00:34:39.180I mean, the president tends to be a man of extremes, and I think that he, when he looks at this, I think he wants to be able to say to people, listen, the maximum amount of authority that I was told I had by my own lawyers, that's what I tried to use here.
00:34:51.960And courts held it up, and the courts are stacked, and we have to change the courts, and the Democrats have stacked against me, and we need to throw them out of office.
00:34:59.140Again, I don't think this is a practical strategy that is directed at actually building border fencing.
00:35:03.680I think this is a strategy that is directed at getting stopped in court and then being able to blame the Senate, blame the courts.
00:35:10.560I don't like politics being played with the Constitution.
00:35:12.620And so the only Republican I've seen who stood tall on this is actually Justin Amash in the House.
00:35:17.500But I think that, frankly, the founders believed that the branches of government were going to check one another.
00:35:24.040They did not believe the party loyalty was going to be able to overcome branch loyalty.
00:35:28.560So a member of the legislature who's a Republican should still stand up for the legislature when a Republican president encroaches on the authority of the legislature.
00:35:35.480They're wrong about that, obviously, because people now don't care.
00:35:38.060I mean, people in the legislature are happy to toss more authority to the executive branch so long as it means escaping censure from their own constituents back home.
00:35:45.500Ben, quickly, your thoughts yesterday on the vote that didn't pass with abortion.
00:35:54.040Well, I mean, I think it's pretty obvious at this point that the Democratic Party has completely freed itself from anything like a moral mooring.
00:36:16.560I mean, this is this bill does all it does is it basically extends the law a little bit to say that if a baby is born alive, it has to be transferred to a hospital and it has to be treated with the same care that any other infant born alive would be given.
00:36:30.840So it just removes any distinction possible in law between a baby born during a botched abortion and a baby born not during a botched abortion.
00:36:37.080And the reason for the law, as Ben Sass pointed out, is that this distinction has been has been actually created by New York law.
00:36:44.300And New York actually had a law on the books.
00:36:46.300It was section 4184 in their in their in their penal code.
00:36:50.060And it essentially said that if you were born alive during a botched abortion, then you were given the same rights as a baby not born during a botched abortion.
00:36:57.860Well, their new New York state abortion law completely overrules 4184.
00:37:02.040And so this federal law says, well, no, no, no, we're going to restore the fact that a baby born under any circumstances deserves the same rights.
00:37:09.720And Democrats like, no, can't do that.
00:37:11.200Sorry, we need to have special capacity, do something different.
00:37:15.020I haven't even seen even a coherent argument on the part of I was looking all night last night for any sort of coherent excuse for Democrats for why they would do this.
00:41:14.140They've gone with this line that the bill punishes doctors and it does enforce criminal penalties for a doctor who does not give medical care to an infant.
00:41:22.260But I think the important thing to keep in mind about the legislation is it doesn't prescribe a particular kind of care.
00:41:28.280It just says that if an infant is born alive in the context of abortion, it should be treated like any other living infant.
00:41:34.240It does not say you must give it this particular treatment.
00:41:42.700Well, how would you describe what happened yesterday with the Democrats?
00:41:48.380Was this just politics or is this something different?
00:41:52.600I think it's very clear that the power that groups like NARAL and Planned Parenthood have over the Democratic Party, because if you look at public opinion polling, nobody really is in favor of denying medical care to viable infants.
00:42:06.520A lot of Democrats even describe themselves as pro-life now and support some limits on abortion.
00:42:11.440And this bill itself has nothing to do with abortion, but they're so sort of enthralled to the abortion industry that they feel like admitting any weakness in their case would be a problem for them.
00:42:21.140And they're going to get hit by the really extreme parts of their party.
00:42:24.380But this isn't this is I'm sick of everybody calling it, including us, an abortion bill.
00:42:48.720And if you listen, well, I guess you didn't, but I listened for you to every Democratic speech yesterday and they all kept claiming that this was an attack on women's health care.
00:42:56.600But not a single one of the Democrats pointed to a line in the bill that showed how it harmed women or had anything to do with women's health care options.
00:43:03.720This is about health care for a living infant that has been born.
00:43:07.400Alexandra, back in 2002, there was a bill that was roughly similar to this that passed, I believe, unanimously.
00:43:13.420We're talking to Ben Shapiro and he said it was unanimous on that vote.
00:43:16.440So is this just the fact that this can't pass?
00:43:20.640Is that an example of how far the Democratic Party has come?
00:43:23.820Is do they I mean, is there any part of them that thinks that this is a little bit further and does something they're uncomfortable with?
00:43:30.600So the bill in 2002, all that did was define an infant born alive in the context of abortion as a person, whereas this bill would be the only federal law that would actually affirmatively mandate care for infants.
00:43:42.700And I think that's a step too far for Democrats simply because, you know, like we've said, this isn't an abortion bill.
00:43:47.900But if we're going to start defining an infant that's been born alive in the context of abortion as somebody who's deserving of medical care, suddenly we can start asking questions like, well, one minute earlier when it's inside its mother, why is that not an infant?
00:44:01.260And then, you know, they're having to defend the entirety of abortion and they don't want to have to be doing that.
00:44:05.440Yeah, but I mean, you're going the opposite direction.
00:44:08.300If I can kill it at birth, why can't I kill it the next day?
00:44:12.200Why can't I kill it the minute it becomes nonviable?
00:44:15.120I mean, that that argument goes it cuts both ways.
00:44:18.860And the American people are not on the side of killing infants, period.
00:44:31.520I feel like I can't believe the world we're living in it.
00:44:35.900Does it shock you or can you explain how we've gone from a a country that was having a debate about, you know, even first trimester abortion?
00:45:02.100We were having that argument to all of a sudden we're now having an argument about the most extreme, more extreme than partial birth abortion.
00:45:17.940I mean, that's obviously a really complex question.
00:45:20.380And I'm sure there are a lot of reasons and I hate to blame the media for everything.
00:45:23.600But I do think that's a huge part of it, because I've been covering this sort of thing and abortion broadly now for a couple of years.
00:45:29.840And it just astounds me how much misinformation is out there and is spread.
00:45:34.500Oftentimes, it seems intentionally by media outlets and by people who call themselves reporters.
00:45:39.260And the average person just doesn't know.
00:45:41.140And so I think when you have Democratic senators standing on the floor claiming that this is an attack on women's health care, it's going to be portrayed like that by a lot of media outlets or just totally ignored and brushed under the rug.
00:45:52.220And I think the average person doesn't know the difference, unfortunately.
00:45:56.020This is a, you know, third trimester abortion, I believe, is 80 to 14 against when polled by the in the American public.
00:46:04.360And it's such an unpopular position to keep extending, as Democrats tend to do.
00:46:10.620And I'm sure Republicans are putting them in the position to defend this intentionally because of that polling.
00:46:14.760But I mean, I can't think of anything on the other side where Republicans are supposedly won over by special interests and are supporting something that only 14 percent of the population agrees with.
00:46:27.200I mean, is Planned Parenthood that powerful?
00:46:30.740I mean, it just seems in it seems almost self-defeating to go after these bills, unless I guess maybe you have the backing of the media to cover each each step of your tracks.
00:46:41.180Yeah, I think that they're just banking on the fact that no one's ever going to know the difference.
00:46:44.740And I think with Planned Parenthood, not only is it about, you know, the huge amount of money in the abortion lobby that gets poured into the Democratic Party,
00:46:51.100but it's also about the fact that these groups then go out and lobby heavily against you.
00:46:55.460And if you vote against or vote in favor, rather, of something like the Born Alive bill, you're going to be cast as an anti-choice extremist.
00:47:02.420And I think Democrats feel like they can't afford to take that risk.
00:47:09.600What does the future hold for the Democratic Party if they can take this extreme of a view?
00:47:14.920Plus, say, the the days of the free market and capitalists are numbered and we will be a socialist nation.
00:47:26.900What what is in the wings that they haven't said that is in their heart that they will do?
00:47:32.380Oh, man, I mean, who knows what they'll come up with?
00:47:35.920They've been astounding me now for the last year.
00:47:37.960Just every day has surprised me with their new extremism.
00:47:40.920But I think on abortion, I'm trying to be a little bit hopeful, at least.
00:47:44.080And I've been looking at polls for a really long time.
00:47:46.400And the latest poll I saw just out yesterday now shows that 47 percent of Democrats call themselves pro-life, which is a double digit leap from just last month.
00:47:55.780And I think, you know, the tide is shifting on this issue, especially among younger Democrats.
00:47:59.800So that's worth hopefully, hopefully they can turn it around maybe in time.
00:48:04.100I have a feeling we are going to ban abortion in my lifetime, and I think it could be in the next 10 years.
00:48:11.740I think there is a massive shift and I think they've overplayed their hands.
00:48:15.580I've been looking at the Labour Party with the anti-Semitism and the and the communism embrace over in England.
00:48:23.200And in the last few weeks, we've had seven Labour Party members leave the Labour Party.
00:48:30.640That would be like, you know, seven in the Progressive Caucus leaving and saying these guys are crazy.
00:48:36.060When do you think the not talking about Washington, but the average Democrat who is not a crazy, not a socialist, not a baby killer?
00:48:46.980When do you think or do you think they will hit a hit a point where they say, I can't be with these people anymore?
00:48:53.460I mean, they've I used to be a Democrat.
00:48:55.400But if this is what a Democrat is, I'm not with these people.
00:48:58.380You know, I would think that we would have reached that point with the Born Alive bill, which is why it's hard to really know for sure where we're going to go from here.
00:49:06.160But I do think if public opinion polls keep shifting like this, they're going to start paying an electoral cost for being so extreme.
00:49:12.700And I don't know. You know, I I'm glad you're hopeful.
00:49:14.940I'm not sure how soon it'll be. But I do think over time, science really does back up the pro-life position.
00:50:59.240That's I mean, they've got tons of stuff they can do on that one.
00:51:03.120You know, all the drilling gains, for example, that Trump has, you know, he's been able to do and war and several other things that previous presidents had not been able to accomplish.
00:51:11.540That all goes away the second the Democrat gets in office because they will just now do it with national emergency.
00:51:17.440And, you know, again, you're getting so little out of this.
00:51:19.820You know, people are like, well, you know, I want to get the wall up.
00:51:23.160Well, let's just say, theoretically, if you got the full wall, the way it was supposed to be built, to promise to be built, you know, you can make an argument.
00:51:32.600Maybe it's a tradeoff you'd be excited about.
00:51:35.840They're not going to get anywhere close to that because it's going to be tied up in court.
00:51:39.480And, you know, and the other thing, too, is we act as if these walls are permanent structures.
00:51:44.480I mean, terrorists took down the twin freaking towers.
00:51:47.860They will use environmental or border or whatever.
00:51:52.240They'll say there's a humanitarian emergency on the border because we're blocking all these people with the wall they put up, and they'll knock that thing down in a week.
00:52:00.080I mean, it's like it is just not worth it and also just not right.
00:52:03.840I mean, it's not constitutionally correct, in my opinion.
00:52:06.420It's also not what the law was intended to do.
00:52:09.200I think people need to understand how close we are to losing our country.
00:52:15.260We are truly perhaps one election or one disaster away.
00:52:21.740We don't have the right person in office for a real national emergency.
00:52:27.420World War III, your freedoms are going away.
00:52:30.140If we just elect the wrong socialist next election, if the economy falls apart and Donald Trump isn't just absolutely perfect and the Democrats happen to catch a wave of some sort,
00:52:47.320you have a socialist and perhaps a giant radical leading this country, that changes us forever.
00:53:02.140I want to play something that happened in England to a guy who was just peacefully speaking about the Bible in London, and a police officer approached.
00:53:16.660Now, the guy was preaching in the public square, and he had a Bible, and he was quoting the Bible, and a preacher comes up to this new immigrant from Jamaica.
00:56:15.820And so then he basically marched him off.
00:56:19.320He arrested him and marched him off, which was completely unnecessary.
00:56:23.400It actually only came out today that he, they affected, or the police told me that they then took him down to the station, realized they couldn't charge him with anything, realized they'd done nothing wrong.
00:56:32.240And de-arrested him was the phrase I used, and let him go.
00:56:36.760Yeah, I'd never heard that one, de-arrested him.
00:56:38.420You know what's amazing to me, Will, is here in America, we just had these radical preachers preaching hatred, preaching race riots, and they were on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial.
00:56:54.000And innocent kids are listening to it.
00:56:56.320They're blamed for causing, breaching the peace, if you will, being racist.
00:57:00.580And nobody said anything about the preachers who were just absolutely vile.
00:57:06.660But you don't have freedom of speech in England.
00:57:12.260Well, what we do in some senses, we have a freedom of expression.
00:57:16.100The European Convention on Human Rights, which is part of the UK Human Rights Act in 1998, that should give us a sense of freedom of expression, particularly.
00:57:24.580And obviously, there are other laws that govern how you behave in the public square.
00:57:28.860If you're inciting hatred or violence, then that's legislated upon, and that can be illegal.
00:57:34.760But it was clear that he wasn't doing this at all.
00:57:37.020He was basically just expressing himself, putting out an opinion in the public square, and there was absolutely no grounds to arrest him at all.
00:57:45.480So, yeah, and I mean, there's another interesting aspect in that the police officer, you can actually hear him in the video after he snatches the Bible away from him, which is just a horrible thing.
00:57:54.820And he says, oh, please don't take my Bible away.
00:57:56.960He says, well, you should have thought about that before you were being racist.
00:58:31.320So the outrage has been pretty big in the UK, particularly amongst quite a lot of clergy.
00:58:38.520There's quite a few people, senior Christian leaders in the UK, who've wanted to see more from the Archbishop of Canterbury and a few other people to actually speak out on this guy's behalf.
00:58:49.380I did actually hear today that he, the guy in question, the preacher, he was eventually de-arrested, as the Met Police said, and then dropped off somewhere.
00:58:58.780And he actually had no money on him, so he basically didn't know what to do and where to go.
00:59:02.560But then they said that someone helped him out, and he ended up actually going back to Southgate Station, North London, and continuing on preaching.
00:59:13.160What is the, what's the health of the, of Great Britain now?
00:59:20.180I mean, we, yesterday in America, we, we actually had half of the Senate refuse to vote on saving children's lives after they're born, and refuse to call that infanticide, and force doctors to take care of a living baby outside of the womb.
00:59:42.960I'm shocked with, with what we're going through, and because I know God is just, I am gravely concerned about the health of my country.
00:59:54.020What is the health, what direction is it moving over there, spiritually?
01:00:01.700I mean, I think that we are in, we are in dire straits in many ways, spiritually.
01:00:07.120I think there's, there's lots of issues being raised by Christians and by Christian leaders, but then there's lots of issues that are just being passed by the wayside.
01:00:16.160I mean, you talk about abortion, and the UK, well, in Northern Ireland, it's slightly different, but in the UK, as a whole, as a, in the mainland, it's, the abortion laws are, since the 60s, have been incredibly liberal.
01:00:29.620And there's over 300,000 abortions every year in the UK, and that seems to have just taken a real backseat in terms of what issues are actually important to, to Christians or to the people who are in the, in the public square and in the public eye as, as Christian leaders.
01:00:46.320And then, of course, you see these situations where you think our religious freedom and freedom of speech, just in a general sense, is just being whittled away.
01:00:56.840And no one, bar a few smatterings of people on social media who are outraged by it, there's not a, there's not a vast outrage at all.
01:01:04.820It just seems to be becoming more and more normal.
01:01:07.760And that's partly why I think we picked up on it and sort of made a thing about reporting on it, because I think it's just so vital that we do that.
01:01:15.840But there's just a sort of passiveness, I think, in the UK, which is just very dangerous.
01:01:20.560And over time, that can become the normal, you know, those sorts of incidents can just become very normal when we don't even realize it anymore.
01:01:27.240We don't see any, we don't see any Democrats here leaving the Democratic Party, no matter how extreme they go, anti-Semitic or, or, you know, death, you know, with the abortion embrace.
01:01:38.360We don't see the Democrats leaving, but do I read this as a good sign that you've had seven Labour Party leaders leave the Labour Party because they've gone too far?
01:01:49.260Yeah, absolutely. The anti-Semitism stuff has been sort of brewing on the surface for, for a quite a few months.
01:01:57.120And a lot of Labour politicians get very, very just frustrated with Jeremy Corbyn and his inability to address that head on and actually take responsibility for it.
01:02:06.120So they, they've defected. And then there's obviously some Conservative MPs have defected as well.
01:02:11.780No one's quite sure about that independent party and what that's actually going to look like in the future.
01:02:15.740But it is definitely, I think, an encouraging sign that we're, at least politicians on both sides are actually saying, this is, we're not happy with this.
01:02:23.620And particularly the anti-Semitic stuff was, was horrendous. And the Labour Party didn't deal with it properly.
01:02:28.880So it's good to see principled politicians actually come out of the woodwork and standing up for things.
01:02:34.660But I'd say there's still a long way to go on that front.
01:02:38.180Will, thank you so much for talking to us about this.