The Glenn Beck Program - January 15, 2019


Best of the Program ｜ Guests： Susan Bennett, Jeff Allen & Brad Meltzer ｜ 1⧸15⧸19

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Glenn Beck
Guests
Susan Bennett Jeff Allen Brad Meltzer
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Kill George Washington Susan Bennett Joe Allen Siri Brad Meltzer Louis Farrakhan Benedict Arnold Tamika Mallory Bob Bland John Jay Tammy Tim Allen Patriot Alexander Hamilton Steven Crowder Emmylou Harris Burt Bacharach George Clooney Neil Armstrong Linda Sarsour and 22 more
Best of the Program ｜ 1⧸14⧸19 A Vicious Circle of People？ ｜ Guests： Daniel Hannan, Matt Kibbe & Laura Wilkerson ｜ 1⧸16⧸19

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Glenn Beck is joined by Siri to talk about the Women's March, the anti-Semitism at the march, and the controversy surrounding Tamika Mallory's relationship with Louis Farrakhan. Plus, a new book from Brad Meltzer about the first conspiracy theory.

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00:00:00.000 Hey, podcasters, today is a great show you don't want to miss.
00:00:03.920 We have Siri.
00:00:05.420 I mean, the actual, the woman whose voice, unbeknownst to her, was Siri.
00:00:12.720 And it's a fascinating story, especially when she's talking to us.
00:00:16.660 A couple things she says, you're like, oh my gosh, that's Siri.
00:00:19.080 Yeah.
00:00:19.480 It's really weird.
00:00:20.160 It's really cool.
00:00:21.120 She's really fun.
00:00:22.220 Yeah.
00:00:22.440 Really cool interview.
00:00:23.420 Yeah.
00:00:23.780 We have another update on the Women's March, which happens this weekend.
00:00:27.920 And there's a little, it's a Women's March with a dash of anti-Semitism.
00:00:33.320 Just a dash.
00:00:33.840 Well, not really.
00:00:34.940 It's more like an anti-Semitic march with a dash of feminism. 1.00
00:00:40.500 It's a different recipe.
00:00:41.720 When you have the person who created the movement say, okay, guys, I think this is an anti-Semitic organization.
00:00:50.780 You should stop.
00:00:52.040 I'm bailing on this.
00:00:52.760 Yeah, I think I'm getting out.
00:00:54.040 I think I'm getting out.
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00:01:00.580 Yeah.
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00:01:04.180 Also, Brad Meltzer is going to be joining us.
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00:02:33.360 So, I mean, it's really diverse, the women's movement.
00:02:37.420 It's very, very diverse. 0.91
00:02:38.840 If you hate Jews, you're in.
00:02:41.360 If you like Jews, well... 1.00
00:02:43.220 It's not that diverse.
00:02:44.220 Not that diverse.
00:02:45.080 Let's not be crazy.
00:02:46.180 Tamika Mallory, Carmen Perez, Linda Sarsour, and Bob Bland.
00:02:51.460 It's that diverse.
00:02:53.580 Bob can be a part.
00:02:56.320 Bob Bland is an exciting name.
00:02:58.360 It's hard to have a sexy... 0.99
00:03:02.140 You're not going into, like, performance.
00:03:05.180 You're not going to be, like, on American Idol.
00:03:07.360 Like, that's not your future if you were born Bob Bland.
00:03:10.520 Like, you're either an accountant or you're managing some organization.
00:03:14.560 Eh, like the women's movement. 1.00
00:03:16.960 Anyway, we've learned about the anti-Semitism and that it is very common among these women. 0.59
00:03:22.600 Teresa Shook, who founded the Women's March, has repeatedly asked these people to step down.
00:03:31.420 The co-chairs, quoting, have steered the movement away from its true course.
00:03:36.640 I have waited, hoping that they would right the ship, she wrote.
00:03:40.300 But they have not, in opposition to our unity principles, they have allowed anti-Semitism, anti-LGBTQIA sentiment.
00:03:54.460 Plus two.
00:03:55.660 She didn't include the plus two.
00:03:57.160 Oh, okay.
00:03:57.860 And hateful racist rhetoric to become part of the platform by the refusal to separate themselves from groups that espouse these racist and hateful beliefs.
00:04:08.460 This is the creator of the movement, talking about the leadership of the movement.
00:04:17.860 Tamika Mallory gave us the latest example.
00:04:20.840 She continues to stand by Louis Farrakhan.
00:04:24.200 Listen to her response.
00:04:26.680 And Tamika, you came under some fire for your relationship with Louis Farrakhan and the Nation of Islam.
00:04:33.820 Now, he's known for being anti-Semitic, for being homophobic.
00:04:40.260 But you do attend his events and you posted, I believe, a photo together calling him the GOAT, which means the greatest of all time.
00:04:47.920 And you are running an organization that says it fights bigotry.
00:04:52.340 Do you understand why your association with him is quite problematic?
00:04:58.280 You know, I think it's important to put my attendance, my presence at Savior's Day, which is the highest holy day for the Nation of Islam, in proper context.
00:05:09.620 You know, as a leader, as a black leader in a country that is still dealing with some very serious unresolved issues, as it relates to the black experience in this country, I go into a lot of difficult spaces.
00:05:21.380 Here's where the real problem is.
00:05:25.620 It's at the end of her nonsensical answer.
00:05:28.520 Listen.
00:05:29.200 But let me push back a little bit.
00:05:30.340 Why call him the greatest of all time?
00:05:32.140 I didn't call him the greatest of all time because of his rhetoric.
00:05:35.300 I called him the greatest of all time because of what he's done in black community.
00:05:39.120 Ah, okay.
00:05:41.780 Here's a little taste of what he's done in the black community. 0.99
00:05:45.160 White folks are going down and Satan is going down and Farrakhan, by God's grace, has pulled the cover off of that Satanic Jew. 1.00
00:06:05.080 And I'm here to say, your time is up. 0.98
00:06:16.300 So, I mean, you know, that's quite an accomplishment there.
00:06:20.660 We are going to be looking into the Women's March on Thursday's television broadcast.
00:06:26.340 You don't want to miss that.
00:06:29.140 You want the truth about, you know, the people who are running the Women's March movement?
00:06:33.800 And have at it.
00:06:35.640 The mainstream media won't give you all of this.
00:06:39.660 They're not going to say anything.
00:06:40.980 They will talk about, if you're a deplorable, how Hitlerite you are.
00:06:47.080 Even though you don't like Hitler, you like the Jews, you support Israel, whatever it is, 0.95
00:06:53.720 they'll still tell you that you're a white supremacist and yada, yada, yada.
00:06:58.980 But Louis Farrakhan can say these things and they don't mind.
00:07:03.800 We do, and we have the expose coming up on Thursday's television program, only on the Blaze TV.
00:07:10.380 Speaking of television, I, you know, look.
00:07:18.580 No, let me just say this.
00:07:21.080 Gillette, you're dead to me. 0.98
00:07:23.780 You're dead to me. 0.97
00:07:25.220 And I started watching this with an open mind.
00:07:29.320 And I thought, okay, you know what?
00:07:31.000 I agree with these things. 0.98
00:07:33.740 I don't want men to be pigs. 0.99
00:07:35.780 I hate. 0.99
00:07:37.200 I watched Mad Men.
00:07:38.520 Did you watch Mad Men?
00:07:39.640 No.
00:07:40.120 Okay, so I watched Mad Men and it's like, I can't believe the world was like that.
00:07:44.740 Okay?
00:07:45.120 It's not like that.
00:07:46.420 And if you are like that, you're a throwback and you just don't have any place.
00:07:50.220 The world wasn't like that.
00:07:51.140 People were not that good looking back then.
00:07:52.860 Okay, I'll give you that.
00:07:55.300 All right.
00:07:56.000 So listen to this Gillette ad.
00:08:00.740 Bullying.
00:08:01.320 The Me Too movement against sexual harassment. 0.94
00:08:03.620 Toxic masculinity.
00:08:04.780 Is this the best a man can get? 0.77
00:08:09.240 That shows their commercials.
00:08:10.960 Is it?
00:08:11.500 For the years.
00:08:13.760 And how we can't hide from it.
00:08:16.100 Sexual harassment is taking over...
00:08:18.460 It's been going on far too long.
00:08:23.140 We can't laugh it off.
00:08:25.640 Who's the daddy?
00:08:28.040 What I actually think she's trying to say.
00:08:30.640 Making the same old excuses.
00:08:32.400 Stop for a second.
00:08:32.960 Stop for a second.
00:08:33.760 It's showing these images of, you know, comedy shows.
00:08:40.120 First of all, it's one of them is from like the 1950s.
00:08:44.520 From the 1950s.
00:08:47.240 You know, we still have that happening with the women ogling the construction guy drinking a Diet Coke. 1.00
00:08:54.900 But, you know, it shows stuff that we all know.
00:08:58.540 We all look at now and go, ick.
00:09:01.320 Okay?
00:09:02.340 It's showing a lot of Gillette ads from the past.
00:09:06.400 You know, good for them.
00:09:08.220 Now go ahead.
00:09:09.460 Boys will be boys.
00:09:10.640 Boys will be boys.
00:09:11.660 Boys will be boys.
00:09:12.500 But something has these boys fighting.
00:09:14.800 Allegations regarding sexual assault and sexual harassment.
00:09:18.320 But she says we don't want to talk to the audience.
00:09:21.300 Okay.
00:09:22.000 And there will be no going back.
00:09:23.560 Stop.
00:09:24.660 So far, I'm like, okay.
00:09:27.980 All right.
00:09:28.660 I mean, please don't preach to me, Gillette.
00:09:31.440 But, yeah.
00:09:32.020 Okay.
00:09:32.420 I get it.
00:09:33.300 There's nothing you would disagree with in this.
00:09:36.180 And that's what pandering is, right? 0.78
00:09:37.860 Like, pandering is something you say that no one can disagree with because you're trying to kiss the butt of your audience, right?
00:09:44.740 Here's where it goes off the rails for me. 0.65
00:09:47.280 Go ahead.
00:09:48.860 Because we, we believe in the best in men.
00:09:52.560 Men need to hold other men accountable.
00:09:56.100 Stop.
00:09:57.220 Come on.
00:09:57.660 Stop.
00:09:58.220 That is something my father taught me.
00:10:00.940 That's something.
00:10:01.380 I'm, I'm, I'm 54.
00:10:03.100 That is something my father taught me.
00:10:07.020 So, why is this a new idea, Gillette?
00:10:10.600 That men have to be men, not boys.
00:10:13.980 The problem with men is not men.
00:10:18.600 It's boys.
00:10:20.020 It's boys.
00:10:21.300 It's boys that never grow into men.
00:10:24.660 I know what a man is.
00:10:28.260 I was taught what a man is supposed to do.
00:10:31.580 And then I was taught, no, don't do any of those things.
00:10:34.840 No, no, no.
00:10:36.140 I was taught by feminists. 1.00
00:10:38.260 No, no, no.
00:10:39.140 Don't you hold that door open.
00:10:41.120 Don't you, don't you do that.
00:10:43.300 Don't you stand when a woman comes to the table. 1.00
00:10:46.420 No, no, no.
00:10:47.280 They're just like men. 0.69
00:10:48.520 Well, a man stands at a table.
00:10:53.860 If a woman would like to stand at a table when I arrive, I don't mind. 1.00
00:10:58.540 I think it's unnecessary, but kind.
00:11:00.540 Thank you.
00:11:01.440 Wow.
00:11:01.940 That's wow.
00:11:03.020 Thank you for honoring me that way.
00:11:06.460 I just, I was just talking to my son this, uh, this weekend, a man stands to shake another
00:11:13.720 man's hand.
00:11:14.600 If you're kind of sprawled out on the couch and somebody comes by and they're like, Hey,
00:11:18.240 dude, just want to say, hi.
00:11:19.920 They reached to shake your hand.
00:11:21.400 You stand up and shake that man's hand.
00:11:24.800 That's what a man does.
00:11:26.080 It's respect.
00:11:27.800 Now I've grown up with that.
00:11:29.620 I think most American men have grown up with that, but let Gillette tell us what it's really
00:11:36.760 like.
00:11:38.040 Come on.
00:11:39.320 To say the right thing, to act the right way.
00:11:43.820 Bro, not cool, not cool.
00:11:45.920 Some already are.
00:11:48.240 In ways big and small.
00:11:54.160 I am strong.
00:11:55.740 I am strong.
00:11:58.620 But some is not enough.
00:12:03.580 That's not how we treat each other, okay?
00:12:05.540 Okay.
00:12:06.140 Because the boys watching today will be the men of tomorrow.
00:12:13.260 Yeah.
00:12:13.800 Thank you, Gillette.
00:12:14.880 Um, by the way, Bic, Bic. 0.99
00:12:17.480 I will always use Bic. 1.00
00:12:19.820 I will never buy another Gillette product.
00:12:22.060 How dare you, how dare you lecture me about bullying, about bullying.
00:12:29.680 It shows two boys fighting.
00:12:32.440 Well, boys will be boys calling each other names.
00:12:35.880 Hell, that's just the way they are.
00:12:38.100 No. 1.00
00:12:39.020 Now, because we at this stupid razor company, we want you to know that we're pulling for 1.00
00:12:45.960 the ladies. 1.00
00:12:46.700 We're pulling for the victims.
00:12:48.400 What the hell do you think the American ethic is?
00:12:52.260 Why do you think our armed military is different than the rest? 0.66
00:12:58.040 Because we don't go in and rape people.
00:13:01.300 We go in and we set them free and we try to set things right and we try to show there's
00:13:06.480 respect for people.
00:13:08.020 We go in and rescue the Jews.
00:13:10.220 We go in and rescue the women.
00:13:12.640 We go in and rescue people because that's what men do.
00:13:16.360 Boys do not. 0.96
00:13:17.840 Men do. 1.00
00:13:19.120 Shut your pie hole, Gillette. 1.00
00:13:22.600 Say a razor commercial, just in case you were wondering. 0.99
00:13:24.780 I know.
00:13:25.400 Isn't that the point?
00:13:26.400 That's part of what pisses me off.
00:13:27.320 That's what they're knowing about.
00:13:28.040 It's a razor commercial. 1.00
00:13:30.220 You're selling us crap. 1.00
00:13:31.800 You lousy pieces of crap. 1.00
00:13:33.660 You're selling us something. 1.00
00:13:35.440 You got around, you sat around in a boardroom and like, well, what can we do to really
00:13:39.900 reach people?
00:13:40.820 I know we can do. 1.00
00:13:42.640 Shut up. 0.99
00:13:43.320 Stop manipulating us. 1.00
00:13:45.780 Oh, okay.
00:13:48.300 And by the way, for the people who like this Gillette commercial, all the women who are
00:13:53.220 cheering, aren't you the ones that are telling us about the evil corporations?
00:13:58.180 Huh?
00:13:59.360 You're kind of missing it on this one, aren't you?
00:14:01.580 The best of the Glenn Beck program.
00:14:13.420 Susan Bennett is her name.
00:14:16.020 Susan Bennett, the original voice of Siri.
00:14:19.800 Welcome to the program.
00:14:21.080 How are you?
00:14:22.540 Hello, Glenn.
00:14:25.500 It is so, first of all, I want to get into your history, but just, just answer this.
00:14:29.600 You didn't even know you were going to be Siri, did you?
00:14:33.560 Correct.
00:14:34.280 I had no idea.
00:14:35.860 And when you actually got a phone call from a friend who said, I just got this new Apple
00:14:40.140 iPhone, it sounds just like you.
00:14:42.680 Yes, it was an email and a fellow voice actor, so he recognized my voice and he said, yeah,
00:14:50.540 this sounds just like you.
00:14:52.280 So I went on the Apple site and listened and I said, well, that's because it is me.
00:14:57.700 Isn't that weird?
00:14:58.720 I want to get into this, this whole story with you, but let's, let's start at the beginning.
00:15:03.960 You've been a voice actor for a long time, which is quite honestly, my dream job.
00:15:11.020 You don't have to think, you don't have to, all you have to do is just read the words and
00:15:15.880 just think about how they sound the best.
00:15:18.080 That's fantastic.
00:15:19.320 You don't actually have to come up with like stuff you can roll in and, and do it.
00:15:24.600 I'm sure that's not the actual case.
00:15:26.540 No, that's the way I want to believe it is.
00:15:28.740 Susan, that's the way it is, right?
00:15:30.160 Just say yes.
00:15:31.060 Oh, yes.
00:15:31.580 You can believe that if you'd like.
00:15:33.400 Why do you sound like Siri talking down to me when you say that?
00:15:36.200 Well, yes, Siri does that.
00:15:37.880 Okay.
00:15:38.560 So the original Siri did that.
00:15:40.960 So you were, you were actually working in studios and the voice actor didn't show up
00:15:44.780 and you're like, I can do this, right?
00:15:46.680 No, actually, um, the owner of the studio at the time said, Susan, you don't have an accent.
00:15:53.200 I bet you could read this copy.
00:15:54.960 So I, I read it and said, Oh yes, I can do that.
00:15:57.940 And as a, you know, a true freelancer, I was excited to find another avenue to pursue to
00:16:02.880 make it a living.
00:16:04.160 Because you were, because you were a backup singer for Roy Orbison.
00:16:08.040 Correct.
00:16:09.260 I mean, like, that's like, that's amazing.
00:16:11.420 Siri was like a backup singer.
00:16:13.020 Oh, and I got to sing a duet with him in concert.
00:16:16.420 I, I played the Emmylou Harris part.
00:16:19.220 Yeah, it was exciting.
00:16:20.520 We traveled all over the world.
00:16:22.020 And Burt Bacharach?
00:16:23.500 Yeah.
00:16:24.000 So like you have serious musical chops.
00:16:26.960 Well, that was, that was really exciting.
00:16:29.480 It was truly a high point in my life.
00:16:32.780 Do you sing anymore?
00:16:34.660 Oh, yes.
00:16:35.920 Yeah.
00:16:36.240 I sing all the time.
00:16:37.400 Um, my husband and I had a band together for close to 25 years.
00:16:42.080 I was two when I started.
00:16:44.380 Holy cow. 0.89
00:16:46.160 And, uh, yeah, we still play together.
00:16:48.820 And right now, the only consistent thing we do actually is we're in a band called Boomers
00:16:55.120 Gone Wild.
00:16:56.280 And we play nothing but 60s and 70s rock and soul music.
00:16:59.540 That's cool.
00:16:59.900 And everybody in the band plays by ear.
00:17:01.840 So we take requests and we, we even play songs we don't really know.
00:17:05.620 So it's a lot of fun.
00:17:06.840 We should, we should.
00:17:07.760 I mean, we have calls for bands from time to time.
00:17:10.080 We do, uh, fundraisers and stuff.
00:17:11.960 We should, are you still for hire?
00:17:14.540 Oh, absolutely.
00:17:15.720 Are you kidding?
00:17:16.540 Yeah.
00:17:16.780 Oh, yeah.
00:17:17.160 Are you any good?
00:17:18.100 We're always for hire.
00:17:19.340 Are you guys good?
00:17:21.340 Well, I'm not going to say we're not good.
00:17:23.580 Okay.
00:17:23.600 All right.
00:17:23.960 All right.
00:17:24.460 All right.
00:17:25.500 So, all right.
00:17:26.360 So you started doing, uh, commercials and can you give us any things that you've said
00:17:31.680 that we might've heard pre Siri?
00:17:34.700 Oh dear.
00:17:35.640 Um, cause you did stuff for McDonald's and it's just, you know, and, and in the past,
00:17:41.520 um, when we, you know, before technology allowed all voice actors to just work from home and,
00:17:48.060 and it's basically up to the engineers to put the commercial together.
00:17:51.300 Yeah.
00:17:51.740 Back in the day when we would all get in the studio together, it was, it was a lot more
00:17:55.800 fun.
00:17:56.100 And actually you were talking about the fact that, oh, you just have to show up and read
00:17:59.440 the copy.
00:17:59.880 Well, sometimes that wasn't the case when we all got in the studio together because
00:18:03.880 sometimes we would, you know, improvise things and they would actually say, oh, that's, that's
00:18:08.380 better than the script.
00:18:09.220 Let's use that.
00:18:10.320 So, um, yeah.
00:18:12.180 So, so, so, so you did, uh, you know, you did the loudspeaker announcements over for Delta
00:18:18.800 airlines for their gates.
00:18:21.160 Um, you did a Macy's, McDonald's, Goodyear's, Papa John, IBM, Coca-Cola.
00:18:26.800 You also were, you were the voice of a lot of GPS is where you're like at the next, go
00:18:32.420 ahead, say it at the next safe spot.
00:18:35.140 In a quarter of a mile, make a left turn.
00:18:37.960 Oh my gosh.
00:18:38.800 Oh my gosh.
00:18:39.840 That is so wild.
00:18:41.860 People do people ever like get into a car with you and just be like, that's weird.
00:18:46.320 That's just weird.
00:18:48.200 Well, some people, you know, it's amazing that some people really, really don't hear, um,
00:18:53.740 as acutely as you might think, because when they, they actually altered the original Siri
00:18:59.500 voice with the iPhone five S. And I was one of the few people that really thought that
00:19:05.160 it was different. Most people didn't recognize the change at all. And it turns out that it,
00:19:10.320 they did not get another actor at that point. They actually just manipulated my voice, you
00:19:15.900 know, with computers and manipulated audiologically to sound just a little bit different.
00:19:20.580 And, uh, finally, uh, the only, uh, really acknowledgement from Apple that I've had is
00:19:27.620 if you ask Siri today, who I am, she will say, Susan Bennett is an American voice actor
00:19:34.020 and the original voice of Siri up to OS 11, which, you know, was last year. And now suddenly,
00:19:40.680 uh, yeah, Siri's a millennial now.
00:19:44.060 Okay. So your voice is not being used at all for Siri now.
00:19:47.840 Nope. I'm done. I've had my, I've had my stint at Siri. It's over.
00:19:52.000 Wow. So now this is the, this is the really interesting part to me. Um, because you didn't
00:19:59.040 like when you, when you did GPS or you did loosen technologies and, you know, for the operator
00:20:04.780 press, go ahead, say one of those things.
00:20:07.340 Uh, yes. For, for Susan Bennett, please press one.
00:20:12.100 Right. Okay.
00:20:12.940 For all other calls, just hang up.
00:20:16.720 And when you did things for the GPS, like at the next, you know, next light turn, you
00:20:21.780 actually had to say those things?
00:20:24.160 Well, no. Um, any, anything that was recorded for the Nuance company, which is, uh, the biggest
00:20:31.920 IVR company in the world. And from which Apple got all the Siri voices and people go, wait a
00:20:38.100 minute. All the Siri voices. Well, you have to remember that I do not speak every language in
00:20:42.100 the, in the world. And so they had, uh, other voices doing different language, languages for
00:20:47.680 different, um, countries. And so we didn't, we really had no idea. Uh, the recordings were done.
00:20:57.260 My recordings were done in 2005. I've spoken to some other people that started even earlier than
00:21:02.340 that. Wow. But we recorded all of these sentences and phrases that were recorded, that were created
00:21:07.680 just to get all the sound combinations in the language. For instance, can you remember any
00:21:12.360 of those? Oh, of course. Cow hoist in the tub hut today. What? Wait, wait, wait, say them again.
00:21:21.620 Cow hoist in the tub hut today. Say fossa, ask fossa, ask fussy. You could hear from the sound.
00:21:29.020 Now they're just trying to get the sounds. Oh, wow. And we read just thousands and thousands of
00:21:33.020 those phrases. And it was actually very, very tedious. And, and, uh, you know, I think I actually
00:21:38.660 had a little brain damage during that. Well, I bet you did. But you had no idea who was actually on
00:21:44.840 the other end buying this. And no, we were sort of told that we were just doing generic phone
00:21:50.860 messaging. But, you know, we were doing recordings for phone systems and, you know, I guess it's a
00:21:56.940 combination of naivete and, uh, just, uh, the, the, the desire to do a lot of work that we found
00:22:04.000 ourselves in this position of, of having our voices used, uh, in a lot of different places, uh,
00:22:11.220 basically without our permission. Um, it, um, it's a complicated thing, but the way I look at it is we
00:22:17.460 sort of, we sort of were in the middle of that, uh, transition period between doing business as
00:22:26.100 usual and doing business with, you know, at the speed of technology. So we really had no idea
00:22:32.320 exactly what we were doing. Um, I will have to say it was a, you know, it was a little troubling
00:22:36.940 at first to realize that. And then it's sort of like anything else in life that you're surprised
00:22:42.380 by something you don't expect. And you have to figure out a way to, uh, to deal with it, adapt,
00:22:47.680 adjust, and spin it to the positive for yourself, which is what I've done. And it's turned out to be
00:22:53.020 really, uh, an incredible thing. It's, it's really, it's really been a very fabulous thing for me,
00:23:00.620 especially at this particular time in my life. So I want to talk to you, take a one minute break,
00:23:05.560 Susan, then I want to come back and I want to talk to you about, um, because you didn't record it,
00:23:10.800 you, you, you basically handed one thing that is uniquely you, your voice, and it's saying things
00:23:20.780 that you never said and, uh, and how that plays, uh, in a person's head. And, and also, um, uh,
00:23:30.320 should there be a law? Uh, should there be something that says, Hey, a voice is unique. I mean,
00:23:37.540 I think this is the future actors, old actors, anybody, if you don't own the rights to yourself,
00:23:44.020 um, you can now be manipulated and, and you could be a movie star, but it's not you. So Susan,
00:23:51.440 I don't want to talk specifically about Apple. I want to, I want to talk about this in theory. Um,
00:23:57.780 you had your voice, you know, you, you signed the contracts and the personal everything,
00:24:03.060 but you had never thought of this technology and how it could be used. And your voice was
00:24:09.840 in some ways taken from you. Did that play games with you? Yes. Yeah. It was a, it is kind of a
00:24:18.960 troubling thing, but I think even more troubling than that is because of just the ability, uh, with
00:24:26.800 technology now, they can basically, basically make you sound like you're saying anything. They can
00:24:32.300 change, you know, the tone, timbre, pacing of your voice. And, uh, even recently I put together,
00:24:38.720 um, I do a lot of, uh, Siri appearances and speaker events and I wanted to put together a
00:24:44.100 speaker demo and I was working with, um, a video editor and all of a sudden he said, well,
00:24:50.740 you're saying this, but we can fix that. I'm going, what? Oh no. So you mean we can't,
00:24:55.940 so we can no longer trust anything we hear or see this is not good. Yeah. So, you know,
00:25:01.500 basically, uh, you know, I try not to take it personally because it's, it's sort of just the
00:25:06.980 way our culture seems to be going. I don't necessarily think it's a good thing. Yeah,
00:25:11.980 I don't either. I mean, as somebody who, um, I watch technology, um, and I've been concerned
00:25:18.380 about deep fakes, uh, that are, that are, are going to be a problem starting, I think in 2020 real
00:25:24.140 problem. Uh, and that is the manipulation of video and audio. So where you cannot believe
00:25:29.940 your eyes and ears, they can make, make me say anything and you won't know. I wouldn't even be
00:25:35.640 able to tell. I mean, like, wait, I never, I never said that. When did I say that? Um,
00:25:40.500 and the deep fakes are getting so good that that just changes our whole world. Doesn't it?
00:25:47.880 Yeah, it really does. I, I, I find it quite appalling. I mean, even to the point where I've
00:25:53.380 done so many interviews and I appreciate doing a live interview because, uh, many times, uh,
00:25:59.760 interviewers take a direct quote and just sort of make it their own and end up saying something that
00:26:06.380 I didn't actually say. And, you know, I, I just really try to, to not think too much about it because
00:26:13.540 it's, uh, it is very troubling. And, uh, and, and I feel very bad for really famous people,
00:26:20.440 you know, the, uh, the George Clooney's and the Jennifer Aniston's of the world, because
00:26:24.420 God only knows what, what, you know, people are saying about them or, or, or attributing,
00:26:30.300 you know, things that they have said to them that were not true. So that's one of the things,
00:26:35.260 that's one of the strange place in our culture. We are. That's one of the things deep fakes are doing. 0.98
00:26:39.360 They're taking celebrity faces and they're imposing them, um, on, um, you know, on, on,
00:26:47.380 on sex acts and, and, and X rated videos. And you can't necessarily tell that's not George
00:26:53.800 Clooney. Uh, one of the things I think is a problem is that, you know, that a lot of people believe this
00:27:01.380 stuff because I think that too often we've given over our own, uh, brains and our own individuality
00:27:09.000 to just the general culture and to TV and media, uh, and, you know, social media, particularly
00:27:15.440 just in general. I think that, that people that in a way with all these digital devices that we have,
00:27:23.780 you know, we just, we just tell Siri or Alexa to do this or do that. And we don't really have to
00:27:28.920 think about it. I, I think it especially, um, uh, affects children. I have a friend who has
00:27:36.340 grandchildren. She says, Oh my God. She said, they tell Alexa to do everything. She said,
00:27:40.940 Susan, these, these girls don't even know how to turn on a light bulb. You know, they tell Alexa 1.00
00:27:45.460 to do it. And, and I think that we're losing a lot by not going through the process of learning
00:27:52.720 things or the process of doing things. Yeah. You know, uh, even, even the dark ages when I was
00:27:57.900 growing up, you know, you would go to the library and you'd look things up. That's right. Now you just
00:28:01.740 ask Siri. There, there's no, no process of, of, of learning when you're doing these things. So I,
00:28:08.300 I don't know. I think that's kind of scary.
00:28:11.140 Susan. So what's up for you next? Uh, what do you, what do you hope to do next?
00:28:17.280 Well, I just hope to do more of what I'm already doing, which is, uh, uh, Siri appearances and
00:28:22.660 speaker events and, uh, which I really enjoy. And it's not something I ever envisioned. I mean,
00:28:28.440 that's something that Siri created for me. So I'm grateful to that very much. Uh, it's a,
00:28:34.040 it's a wonderful experience. I've actually had a chance to go to some pretty exotic places like
00:28:38.840 Croatia, um, to do, uh, the speaker events. And so I would just like to do more of those.
00:28:44.520 Well, maybe we should, uh, find out. We have you do some, uh, uh, this is the Glenn Beck program,
00:28:51.800 uh, kind of stuff.
00:28:53.420 Oh, no, no, no, no. You have to pay for that.
00:28:55.800 No, I know. No, no, no. I think that's what I said. We'll have to talk to you about that.
00:28:59.520 I knew.
00:29:00.120 Let me, let me give you the number of my agents.
00:29:02.440 Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I, I'm very well aware of that.
00:29:05.460 I've done enough freebies.
00:29:07.140 No, I know.
00:29:07.920 That's very smart.
00:29:08.760 I know. Believe me. I know. Susan, thank you so much. I appreciate it.
00:29:13.660 Thank you.
00:29:14.340 You bet. Bye-bye.
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00:29:41.700 Jeff Allen is calling in. Hello, Jeff. How are you?
00:29:46.600 Fine, man. How are you guys?
00:29:48.200 Well, you know, I just, I'm trying to keep my blood pressure down and, uh, and this nonsense
00:29:53.460 just doesn't end.
00:29:55.800 Yeah, it doesn't. It keeps going. So I, I was talking to Tammy, um, and, uh, I realized
00:30:00.560 this all began, uh, with the 19th amendment. There's a way we could repeal that and start
00:30:05.800 over.
00:30:06.360 The way it started with the 19th amendment and you want it repealed?
00:30:10.340 Yeah, you can. And Tammy, Tammy said, well, it's probably not going to happen because
00:30:14.000 there's too many women in Congress, but, uh, it's just a thought. 1.00
00:30:17.480 Right.
00:30:17.800 By the way, should we say that's a joke? So we should, we, we put that out there as a joke.
00:30:21.980 No, I don't think he is joking. Did you think he was joking? I heard it.
00:30:25.240 My way, you know, I, I heard it myself. I don't think he was joking. My gosh.
00:30:30.620 Exactly. I, you know, I just, isn't that what you taught your son, Jeff?
00:30:35.880 Oh, I sat my boys down when they hit that age, when they started dating. And I said, that's
00:30:41.040 somebody's daughter, somebody's future mother. And I said, if you had had a sister, would
00:30:46.120 you want some, uh, kid manhandling them in the backseat of a car? And no, it was a, it's
00:30:51.900 a, it's a common sense discussion. Right. And there's a difference between married to 0.65
00:30:57.260 a woman, you know? Yeah. The, the guys who don't do that are still boys. They never grew
00:31:03.360 up. They're still boys. Men do that.
00:31:06.520 And there's boys who shave, you know, there's, there are little boys who shave is what I call
00:31:10.720 them. Yeah. And, uh, they're out there, but, uh, I don't think it's, um, you know, the majority.
00:31:17.520 So is this, like you said, I don't need to be lectured by a commercial.
00:31:21.000 I know. Is, is, is Gillette just trying to sell razors, more razors to women? Or do they
00:31:27.320 think this will work for men?
00:31:28.540 Well, most of the men that I know are growing their beards, uh, every last one of them.
00:31:33.460 Yeah, I know. And there's a reason to grow a beard now.
00:31:36.600 And maybe they're going after the, um, the, uh, transgender, um, the, the, the changeovers. 0.86
00:31:42.020 I don't know. Yeah, it could be. Uh, uh, uh, Jeff Allen is a comedian. He has been, uh,
00:31:47.620 out on the road, uh, for CRTV and the blaze on make comedy, uh, great again. How's the tour
00:31:53.340 been going?
00:31:54.700 Well, we're off until February 1st. We're going into New York.
00:31:58.540 Uh, February 1st and 2nd, but, uh, we did.
00:32:00.940 What are we, is this like some sort of sacrificial, uh, animal that you guys are
00:32:06.420 that we're just putting you into New York?
00:32:09.120 Yeah, exactly. Well, that's what I, I thought that was odd. Go to the Northeast
00:32:12.740 with a car with a tour called make comedy great again.
00:32:17.040 And it's a non-political, um, uh, tour. So I, I, I, I didn't understand. It's not my
00:32:24.140 job to create the title.
00:32:25.680 Right, right, right. Okay. Okay. Um, did you see that, uh, Tim Allen's show has, uh, has
00:32:33.860 debuted now?
00:32:35.560 And it's on our queue, man. We record it every week.
00:32:38.420 See, I didn't even know that it was back on. Uh, I just don't watch enough television
00:32:42.140 to get the commercials for all of that stuff. Um, I knew that he was going to, but I didn't
00:32:46.600 know it debuted and, and it's doing well.
00:32:49.140 Yes, it should. It's a very good show. Um, and, uh, it's funny because it's one of the
00:32:55.280 few sitcoms in, in history where there's a strong male lead. Um, back in 2001, I did
00:33:02.360 a pilot for Castle Rock. And one of the reasons they were going to do the pilot with me is
00:33:07.040 because we pitched a strong male lead in a sitcom and the, um, the head of the studio,
00:33:12.240 he was 55 years old at the time. And he said to me, he goes, you know, it's so unusual.
00:33:18.340 Uh, and he said, it's, it, it used to, yeah, sitcoms used to have strong male leads that he
00:33:24.100 remembered years ago. I guess he started with all in a family and that's when things started
00:33:28.420 getting kind of absurd. But yeah, I said, I can change a diaper. I can do all that other
00:33:32.500 stuff without looking like a bumbling idiot, you know? And, um, obviously it didn't get picked 1.00
00:33:38.020 up. Right. But you know, Tim is one of the guys who is, uh, I mean, you would say almost
00:33:46.660 the, the stereotypical guy that Gillette should be preaching against his, his act has been that.
00:33:55.200 Um, and yet he hasn't been affected by this at all. In fact, if anything, maybe being made
00:34:01.160 stronger. Right. Because there's a, there's a, a, a desire, I guess the desire for,
00:34:08.020 I mean, whether they want to come out and publicly admit it, but it's, it, I think strong
00:34:13.260 men are attractive. I really do. Okay. We have that on tape. Yeah. You got that on tape.
00:34:18.760 We have that on tape now. Yeah. Yeah. I'm attracted to strong men. If I went that way,
00:34:27.420 Mike Rowe, I'd grow. Right, right, right, right. Uh, Tim, uh, or Tim, uh, Jeff, it's great
00:34:34.080 to, no, no relation to Tim Allen. That's kind of sad.
00:34:37.080 I get that all the time. I had a guy get me a job somewhere and the guy comes over to me and he
00:34:42.200 goes, uh, so how's your brother Tim doing? I go, what, who told you that? And he goes,
00:34:46.940 your friend did. I, and I, and this guy was a pastor. I said, you lied to a pastor.
00:34:50.680 You'd never deny the reality. Jeff, you just say, yeah, he's doing great. He's doing great. He's
00:34:59.420 thinking about playing here. You know, if you book me a few more times, so I appreciate it.
00:35:03.780 Exactly. All right. Uh, Jeff, great to talk to you. Jeff Allen.
00:35:12.020 You're listening to the best of the Glenn Beck program.
00:35:14.680 Brad Meltzer. Uh, welcome to the Glenn Beck program. Brad is the number one New York times
00:35:30.540 bestseller of the inner circle, the book of fate, nine other bestselling thrillers, including
00:35:35.320 10th, just the first council, the millionaires, the president shadow. Uh, in addition to fiction,
00:35:42.500 he is one of, uh, the only authors ever to have books on the bestseller list for nonfiction
00:35:46.840 advice, children's books, uh, and comic books. I think I'm the only one on that list with you,
00:35:55.920 except for comic books. You beat me with comic books. You have the love for it. So that counts.
00:36:00.380 Yeah. Yeah, I know. Uh, I, you know, I didn't until my son. Sure. Because you can give your kid
00:36:06.580 that first hero. Yeah. And it's, and, and I think in the nineties, it felt like we didn't need that
00:36:13.740 hero. Well, I think that's what, that's what happens is in all times. If you look historically
00:36:18.440 at the time of the great depression, uh, the heroes that we look to were heroes that were
00:36:24.500 Tarzan and Flash Gordon were the most popular because we would, they were designed to take us
00:36:28.060 elsewhere. We wanted to escape the great depression. And then world war two starts encroaching
00:36:32.360 on our shores and we get scared as a country. And we don't even know how to fight. We don't
00:36:37.120 know how to fight. We're scared. We need someone to come save us. And Superman gets invented,
00:36:40.780 sells a million copies. And in 9-11, same thing happened. We were once again, a country,
00:36:46.020 America, we were scared, worried that someone's coming after us. And the first movie that broke
00:36:50.580 through the public consciousness was Spider-Man. And right now, even a decade later, 15 years later,
00:36:55.720 we're still a country that's, we're starving for heroes. There's no politics about it.
00:36:59.540 Whatever side you're on, we are looking for a hero. And all times throughout history,
00:37:04.140 it's not just there's a need for hero, that's why they're created too. And so I actually, um,
00:37:09.640 this is, as you know, my, my nerd study of it. And I think it's, it's no coincidence why,
00:37:14.160 um, we look to whether it's Neil Armstrong or Mr. Rogers this year, or even George Washington,
00:37:18.840 where once again, a culture that's starving for humility, um, for modesty. Those, all of those
00:37:25.280 three have something in common. There's a reason why they're, they're people are looking to
00:37:28.380 them again. We have a need. You've written a new book called the first conspiracy, the secret plot
00:37:32.860 to kill George Washington. Um, you read enough history to know, for instance, Edison was not a,
00:37:40.420 he was a bad guy, did some good things, but also did some bad things. Um, and you can look at people
00:37:46.180 and you can pretty much find that with almost all of them. Uh, and people say, well, I don't believe
00:37:54.020 in any of these heroes and that these people were, you know, actually really good. Cause a lot of
00:37:58.460 times the history is wrong and only tells one side, but you can find it. If you look. Sure. I
00:38:05.160 cannot find the dark side of George Washington. Yeah, no, the, the, the George Washington lives
00:38:11.720 up to the hype. And I always say, but people will always write to me. Right. One of the few. I mean,
00:38:16.000 I, every time I do one of the kids books, everyone always writes to me, well, this one did this
00:38:19.800 and this one did that. And this one had an affair. And I say, listen, I'm just telling
00:38:24.120 you right now, if you're looking for perfection in people, the only person that's perfect,
00:38:27.860 the only thing that's perfect is God. So there's your standard. Yeah. And I feel like George
00:38:32.920 Washington sets that standard for us at a different level, which is why the thought of a secret
00:38:38.160 plot to kill him begs the craziest question of all is what happens to us if it worked?
00:38:43.680 Right. So tell me that we don't exist for one. Oh, I agree. Um, tell me, uh, about the plot.
00:38:51.020 Cause I, I mean, I've written a book on George Washington. I love George Washington. I've studied
00:38:55.140 him. Not really familiar with it. Yeah. This is a, I found this story Glenn in nearly a decade ago
00:39:01.500 in a footnote where all the great secrets always wind up hiding. And I was like a secret plot to kill
00:39:07.580 George Washington. Is this real? Is this fake? Is it internet nonsense? What is it? And I was so
00:39:13.900 struck by it. There was in 1776, just to be clear, let's talk about it up front, a plot to kill
00:39:18.400 Washington. Some say to kidnap him. Some say to kill him. Um, either way he dies because back then
00:39:23.320 if you kidnap someone at the lower level, we would trade you back to the British, but at his levels 1.00
00:39:27.600 that you got hanged. And they caught that guy. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Very quickly. And so they round
00:39:33.000 them up. George Washington gets wind of it. They round them up. They build a gallows. They take one of the
00:39:37.320 main co-conspirators. They hang them in front of 20,000 people. The largest public execution at
00:39:42.800 that point in North American history. George Washington brings the hammer down. It's like,
00:39:46.760 do not mess with me. I'm George Washington. I'm going to be on the money one day. Right?
00:39:50.920 That's a, that's an actual historical quote. But, but, but what I couldn't shake is why don't I know
00:39:56.880 this story? And there's two reasons. One, I went to Pulitzer Prize winning author, Joseph Ellis.
00:40:02.520 And I said to him, you know this story? Cause I never heard this story. You wrote the biography on him.
00:40:06.360 And he said to me, this is a story about George Washington spies. That's why it's secret. That's
00:40:12.540 why you don't know it. He said, you can find the exact number of slaves at Mount Vernon that George
00:40:16.620 Washington owned. You'll never find all his spies. He said, by its nature, Brad, what you're searching
00:40:21.740 for will forever be elusive. And the other reason why you don't know it is because of when the hanging
00:40:27.860 took place, June 28th, 1776. Now guess what else is going on in the world on June 28th, 1776. You're a
00:40:37.440 week away from the Declaration of Independence being signed. June 28th is when the first draft,
00:40:41.620 one of the first drafts is handed in. Correct.
00:40:43.840 The British are literally coming. And with headlines like that, when you're studying that period,
00:40:49.920 this gets obscured. It just becomes a footnote.
00:40:52.860 So his, his secret, um, and you make this point in the book, his, uh, his, uh, spies really go on
00:41:01.880 to inspire us. And we don't know anything about them, uh, or very little, um, but they go on to
00:41:06.880 inspire even the CIA. Yeah, no, that's my, one of my favorite parts is we thought we were investigating
00:41:12.040 this secret plot to kill George Washington. But what we realized is we found something far bigger,
00:41:17.260 which was, we found out that George Washington, one of the first things he did is he created his
00:41:22.480 own secret committee. And the secret committee was called, because if you have a secret committee,
00:41:26.800 you've got to give it a cool name, right? So it was originally called the Committee on Intestine
00:41:31.220 Enemies. That's a terrible name. Um, and then they settled on the far better name, the Committee
00:41:35.660 on Conspiracies. And the Committee on Conspiracies, as you saw in the book, uh, is run eventually by
00:41:40.500 John Jay. It becomes eventually at the end of the war, the first Supreme Court justice. But what
00:41:45.440 John Jay does, and is researching this plot, is he slowly, you know, they go in the middle of the
00:41:50.760 night, they're pulling people out of their houses, they're interrogating them, they're shaking them
00:41:53.860 down for information. What they're really doing is they're building America's first
00:41:58.240 counterintelligence agency. And you ask any historian today, you say, you know, what's the precursor to
00:42:03.540 the CIA? And people say, oh, the OSS. And that's the formal one. But the real precursor to it all
00:42:09.580 is this moment in 1776 in the plot to kill Washington, because that's where it all starts.
00:42:15.780 And they're using civilians, just like the CIA did. They're using civilians, not always military
00:42:19.460 people, gathering intelligence.
00:42:21.420 Was this, was this uncommon though? I mean, weren't kings doing that forever?
00:42:25.140 Yeah, but we weren't. You know, George Washington, when we started, he wanted a good offense,
00:42:29.200 wanted a good military, and he knew he needed a good offense. But what he learned in this period of
00:42:33.440 time, right at the beginning, and this is 1775, 1776, at the start of it, we always think of the
00:42:39.180 end. We think of George Washington 2.0 as the war goes on. But in the beginning, this is where he
00:42:43.940 realizes that, wait, I just don't need a great offense. I need a great defense. There are people
00:42:48.300 coming at us. We need information to see what's coming that we're not going to see on a battlefield,
00:42:53.020 that there's a whole other battle being fought. It's this moment that inspires his later building
00:42:57.040 the Culper Ring, his later expanding the Committee on Conspiracies. In fact, right now,
00:43:01.840 in Langley, Virginia, at CIA headquarters, to this day, there is a room dedicated to John Jay,
00:43:08.800 who they call the founding father of counterintelligence. It all starts here,
00:43:12.760 in this moment. And so I love, and you see these parts of things that I, and again,
00:43:17.360 you and I have talked about this offline and on air plenty of times, but there were so many parts
00:43:21.240 I didn't know. George Washington had his own private bodyguards, which I never, I'm like,
00:43:26.640 how did I not know this? And what he had done is, he asked all of his top regiments,
00:43:31.620 he said, give me your four best men. And he narrowed it down. He wanted what they call
00:43:36.600 drilled men. And drilled men were the best of the best. They were just, they were actually even a
00:43:42.040 certain height, a certain build, a certain moral character, the kind of person you really want on
00:43:46.940 your side, you can trust. George Washington personally narrows it down to about 50 people.
00:43:52.580 And these become what they call the General's Guard. They call them the Commander's Guard,
00:43:57.020 but the name that sticks are the lifeguards. Because one of their jobs is guarding George
00:44:02.000 Washington's life. It's also amazingly where we get Baywatch come from. That's where it comes from.
00:44:06.220 Is that where we get lifeguards? 1.00
00:44:07.520 I don't know if that's the official term. I haven't, trust me, I thought, and I got to look
00:44:12.200 it up. But that, I honestly do think it may be where the term comes from, but it comes from
00:44:16.220 the lifeguards. They guarded his money, they guarded his papers, and they guarded his life. These are the
00:44:20.460 ones that went home with him. These were the original Secret Service, but these are the men who turn on
00:44:24.900 him. That four of the men on the lifeguards accept bribes and want money, and basically decide we're
00:44:31.780 going to go to the other side.
00:44:32.520 You know, when you have Alexander Hamilton, you can, you kind of can see why he turns. You don't,
00:44:39.580 you don't necessarily agree with him, but you can see, oh man, what a stupid mistake that was, 1.00
00:44:44.380 what a stupid mistake that was. 1.00
00:44:45.440 Human error, right. 1.00
00:44:45.780 Yeah, just a series of human errors where he turns.
00:44:49.480 Yep.
00:44:49.640 Um, uh, what is, is it Washington's error?
00:44:55.100 No, it's not, you know, it's not a, it's not a Benedict Arnold where I feel slighted and I'm
00:44:59.080 going to do it.
00:44:59.540 Did I say Benedict Arnold?
00:45:00.420 Yeah, I know you meant though. I know you meant, yeah. Um, Benedict Arnold, uh, you know,
00:45:05.100 has this, you see all the slights. And so, you know, it's ego and hubris and all the other
00:45:09.800 things that go along with any great fall. With this one, it's not that at all. It's nothing
00:45:13.720 personal. Um, you know, and I think it's, you know, we in America, as you know, we take
00:45:18.940 our heroes, we dip them in granite, we build statues of them and we do them a disservice
00:45:23.960 because they're not human anymore. They become these lowercase g gods and which is horrible. 1.00
00:45:29.760 And we're worshiping the wrong thing when we do that. And these people, anyone you look
00:45:34.100 up to, as you know, I've talked many times, whether it's George Washington or Rosa Parks
00:45:37.860 or Dr. King had a moment, any hero you've ever loved had a moment where they were scared
00:45:43.200 and they were terrified. They didn't think they could go on and they keep going forward.
00:45:47.260 They choose to go forward. And, and what happens in this moment, what we also do with the
00:45:51.720 revolution, as you know, is we tell the story that we all gathered around democracy. We held
00:45:56.380 hands. We marched forward as one and we beat the greatest fighting force, the British that the world 1.00
00:46:00.920 had ever seen at the time. And again, it's a great story. It's not the real story. It was so
00:46:05.980 much more complex. Um, we weren't, you know, we think we're divided now. We were so divided back
00:46:11.720 then that there were nearly in New York city in 1776, there were nearly as many loyalists on the
00:46:17.020 British side as there were on the Patriot side, on the American side. And it was the same in our
00:46:21.840 own military, our own military. You had, you know, all these different regiments. So one of my favorite
00:46:26.340 scenes in the book is you have the Massachusetts regiment is meeting the Virginia regiment for the
00:46:30.740 first time. It's in Harvard yard. George Washington is there. And, you know, these guys from
00:46:35.460 Massachusetts, they look at the uniform of the, of the Virginians. They have some frilly thing on the
00:46:39.940 uniform. You know, we don't even have a one uniform that we're fighting. And some guys are showing up
00:46:43.860 in work shirts and some guys don't even have shoes. So they're not unified. A fight breaks out
00:46:49.500 and George Washington comes racing him and grabs two of them by the neck and he's shaking him and
00:46:55.020 basically saying, stop fighting with each other. We're on the same team. And when you have, you know,
00:47:02.240 and if ever there were a metaphor for where we are today, there it is. But to me, what you have back
00:47:06.920 then is you have allegiances always shifting because here's the one thing that happens is
00:47:11.100 it's not a sure thing that we're going to win in those early days of the war. In those early battles,
00:47:15.300 we're getting crushed. And in those moments, the one thing that's true then and is true now is no
00:47:20.740 one wants to be on the losing team. And so you have the governor of New York at the time, a guy named
00:47:25.520 William Tryon, who basically is mad he's lost his job as the British governor. He was appointed by the
00:47:30.500 British. He basically starts bribing people and seeing who can, who can he turn? And when you have, 0.87
00:47:35.160 as you know, when, when it looks like America is not going to do well and you may not pull it out
00:47:39.220 and you got no gunpowder, you got no shoes, guess what? They go, you know what? I might take that
00:47:45.140 money to switch. And the, and the plot was exactly that. Their big grand plan. When you read the first
00:47:49.860 conspiracy is you'll see there, and it got, we don't know every single detail because of course the
00:47:53.780 plot was thwarted, but their plan was they're going to blow up bridges. They were going to steal our
00:47:57.600 cannons and they were going to come for Washington. And it was all going to happen just as the British 1.00
00:48:02.200 arrived in New York. That end that moment, they were going to give whatever the signal was going
00:48:05.900 to be. And you know, it sounds like something out of episode three of Star Wars, right? But they
00:48:10.620 were literally going to turn and switch. And the people who were on, that we thought were on the
00:48:15.380 Patriot side, were going to be revealed as traitors and kill everyone there. The name of the book is 0.92
00:48:20.640 The First Conspiracy, The Secret Plot to Kill George Washington. Brad Meltzer is the author,
00:48:27.020 and he's going to be doing a podcast with us as well. So you'll be able to hear the story and grab
00:48:32.180 the book. It's available everywhere right now. Brad, thank you so much. The Blaze Radio Network
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