The Glenn Beck Program - Best of the Program ｜ Guests： Tabia Lee & Riaz Patel ｜ 10⧸24⧸23

00:00:00.680 After years of battling big tech, we're no longer willing to play their game and watch them stifle our reach, cutting us off from you.

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00:00:21.320 You're listening to The Best of the Glenn Beck Program.

00:00:25.140 All right, I want to show you a snapshot of where we are and where we're headed.

00:00:35.040 Let me play for you some audio.

00:00:39.080 These are pro-Palestinian activists that are chanting ala akbar at Orthodox Jews.

00:00:46.400 They are praying in prayer.

00:00:50.580 Police have to separate the two.

00:00:52.540 One group praying, one group shouting ala akbar.

00:00:59.320 Here it is.

00:01:09.580 Look at the size of that crowd.

00:01:12.860 And you have maybe four guys that are praying.

00:01:22.280 And they are praying with their backs to the crowd.

00:01:26.640 They're not trying to do anything.

00:01:28.820 This is in Teaneck, New York.

00:01:30.780 Look, you've seen this all over the country.

00:01:39.520 Here they are in New York City.

00:01:41.900 They're chanting in the anti-Semitic march.

00:01:47.960 There's only one solution.

00:01:50.080 What solution is that?

00:01:51.620 It'd be the final solution, wouldn't it?

00:01:56.760 Yeah.

00:01:57.060 Well, that's what they're saying.

00:01:58.440 Yeah.

00:01:58.880 Because they're also chanting about the Intifada.

00:02:01.440 Long live the Intifada.

00:02:02.680 Now we have majority of Muslim Americans believe Hamas was justified in its terrorist attacks on Israel.

00:02:13.380 New poll released late last week found the majority of Muslim Americans believe Hamas was justified in committing the horror show against Israel.

00:02:25.660 The poll surveyed 2,000 people from October 16th through the 18th to gauge the public's overall awareness and attitudes about what was happening in Israel.

00:02:33.020 Majority overall, 50.6% have a positive opinion of Israel compared to only 12% who have a negative opinion, while 37% were neutral.

00:02:43.660 The two groups that had the highest negative views of Israel were Muslim Americans at 36.5% and Democrats at 15.7%.

00:02:54.660 The group that had the largest positive views of Israel, Jewish Americans at 85% and Republicans at 64%.

00:03:03.300 The results showed that Muslim Americans were far less educated, listen carefully, they were far less educated about numerous aspects of the atrocities committed by the Palestinian terrorist than Jewish Americans. 0.82

00:03:18.920 For example, only 10% of Jewish Americans were not aware of the fact that Hamas had decapitated babies, compared to 34% of Muslim Americans who were not aware.

00:03:32.520 Overall, the overwhelming majority of Americans strongly, about 84%, said Israel had the right to defend itself.

00:03:39.280 About 75% of Americans said that Hamas was not justified in attacking Israel.

00:03:44.100 The numbers from the Palestinian Americans are very high.

00:03:49.980 And notice what they said, that they weren't educated on the atrocities.

00:03:58.480 Now, you don't get that at school.

00:04:02.180 Where do you become educated on the news?

00:04:07.300 You become educated by what sources you read.

00:04:12.380 And if you have watched lately, the news is spinning out of control.

00:04:22.160 Let me show you something that came from the White House press secretary, KJP, yesterday.

00:04:30.980 She was asked about anti-Semitism and listen to what she says.

00:04:37.120 What is his level of concern right now about the potential rise of anti-Semitism in light of everything that's going on?

00:04:43.500 A rise of anti-Semitism.

00:04:44.920 So, a couple of things.

00:04:46.240 Look, we have not seen any credible threats.

00:04:51.900 I know there's been always questions about that.

00:04:54.580 I just gave you two.

00:04:56.280 I just showed you a crowd of people chanting Allah Akbar to intimidate the few Jewish people that were praying.

00:05:10.320 I just showed you another one.

00:05:13.020 We just had the chance of final solution, final solution.

00:05:18.920 How about this one?

00:05:20.940 Cut.

00:05:21.700 Let me see here.

00:05:23.160 Cut.

00:05:26.240 I think it's one.

00:05:27.720 Cut one.

00:05:30.120 Play this.

00:05:30.840 He not going nowhere now.

00:05:33.200 Minneapolis man.

00:05:34.140 He not going nowhere now.

00:05:35.320 An old man.

00:05:36.060 Hold on, hold on.

00:05:37.120 Hold on.

00:05:38.520 I'm going to get into this.

00:05:39.760 He not going nowhere now.

00:05:40.740 They're kicking his car.

00:05:42.060 He not going nowhere now.

00:05:42.540 They tried to open it.

00:05:43.600 Now, he's trying just to get out.

00:05:48.180 Now, they say that he was trying to knife him.

00:05:56.760 He drove intentionally in.

00:05:59.740 But we have aerial footage.

00:06:01.660 Play the aerial footage, please.

00:06:03.500 You see, this guy is trapped.

00:06:06.140 He's coming off of a highway.

00:06:08.600 And he gets off.

00:06:10.800 And now he's trapped.

00:06:12.060 And he's surrounded.

00:06:13.800 And somebody opens up his door.

00:06:16.520 What are you going to do?

00:06:17.420 You're an old man. 0.96

00:06:19.020 Who are these people?

00:06:21.480 Palestinian supporters.

00:06:23.600 This was a Palestinian march.

00:06:26.000 You have the same kind of people, exactly the same kind of people, that are doing these

00:06:34.860 marches as you had lead the marches on Black Lives Matter.

00:06:41.560 Now, where are you going to get that news?

00:06:45.960 My Facebook page has been throttled since July by more than 90%.

00:06:53.020 So, if you follow me, you click and say, hey, I'm one of the millions that I want news from Glenn Beck.

00:06:59.400 You're not getting it.

00:07:01.760 Only 10% of what I post goes out to people who want to read my stuff.

00:07:09.100 We are a monster on social media.

00:07:12.800 Monster. 0.63

00:07:13.960 No longer.

00:07:14.800 I have been talking to you about big tech censorship for a while.

00:07:21.680 And it is time now because we're entering a time when the attack and the final cutting of our throat, I believe, is coming.

00:07:34.640 So, the blaze is about to make a major step.

00:07:38.040 Blaze Media is declaring our independence from big tech ahead of the 2024 election to ensure that we can keep bringing you the truth no matter what.

00:07:51.160 But we can't do it without you.

00:07:53.820 Here's what happens.

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00:08:00.360 We get our money from advertisers.

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00:08:11.160 So, when I have a story I want to get out and you to see, they not only stop you from seeing it, they also demonetize us so we can't make any money on it.

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00:08:26.620 When publishers host ads on their website, Google and other major ad exchanges can send bots.

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00:08:42.940 After finding something they don't like, think the Hunter Biden laptop, something they don't like, COVID origin stories, the Palestinian stories,

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00:09:02.440 When they find these things, they demand the ads be removed from the, quote, offending article or else the entire website will be demonetized.

00:09:12.780 When we say, no, this is the truth, they bury the unsafe content so deep in their algorithms that it makes it impossible for anybody to find.

00:09:26.640 This is the ghettoization of media.

00:09:31.780 This is what they are doing, putting us behind a wall, just like the ghettos. 1.00

00:09:38.540 You can talk all you want, but nobody's going to hear you because you're going to, you're behind a wall.

00:09:44.500 Now, we've been dealing with this every day for years, but as soon as Biden was elected, it became much, much worse.

00:09:54.560 And we are done playing the game.

00:09:58.360 I've got several things to announce today.

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00:13:21.360 This is critical.

00:13:23.620 If we are to survive, because as you see with the president, they're answering a question about anti-Semitism by talking about the Islamophobia is what Islamophobia show it to me.

00:13:38.040 What Islam?

00:13:38.780 I can show you all the anti-Semitism.

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00:13:55.940 This is the best of the Glenn Beck program.

00:13:58.800 I am always encouraged by people that are willing when they learn something to change.

00:14:07.800 Too many are not.

00:14:09.720 And that includes people like me.

00:14:12.260 I have learned things.

00:14:13.740 And if you are honestly seeking knowledge, you're honestly seeking truth, you're bound to change from time to time.

00:14:22.040 It's essential that you do.

00:14:24.000 Otherwise, you get stuck in old thinking and you lose the ability to help, really, quite honestly.

00:14:33.280 Dr. Tabia Lee, she was the head of a college DEI program.

00:14:41.420 So you would immediately say, gee, Glenn, why are you having Dr. Tabia Lee on?

00:14:47.380 Because she's somebody who went in and found that this is really harmful.

00:14:55.240 This is not actually making sure all voices are heard.

00:15:00.480 And she left and has been in a lawsuit with her former college. 0.83

00:15:05.880 But I wanted to talk to her because, A, I respect her.

00:15:10.420 B, she's also talking about anti-Semitism on the campus.

00:15:17.160 Dr. Tabia Lee, welcome to the program.

00:15:20.660 Hi, Glenn.

00:15:21.500 Thank you for having me today.

00:15:22.800 You bet.

00:15:23.160 This must be weird because I bet you never thought I'd find myself hanging out one morning with Glenn Beck.

00:15:31.960 Absolutely.

00:15:33.140 Yeah, right.

00:15:34.580 So, Doctor, tell me what your experience was.

00:15:40.860 Yes.

00:15:41.980 You know, when I was hired at De Anza College as a faculty director,

00:15:46.360 it was after many years of working in higher education as a part-timer, if you will.

00:15:54.700 You know, after I got my doctorate, those job offers, you know, for the tenure track just didn't come pouring in like I thought they would.

00:16:01.060 But the one silver lining of the pandemic for me was that, you know, all of these positions opened up and, you know, colleges needed extra hands, if you will.

00:16:12.800 And I was one of those folks that was hired on.

00:16:16.800 And it was a job that, you know, had a job responsibility and title that, you know, everyone had kind of always said, Lee, you need to be like a director somewhere.

00:16:27.040 You know, you don't need to just be in your classroom anymore.

00:16:29.160 You need to share your knowledge with a wider, you know, group of colleagues and impact an institution.

00:16:34.980 And this was a job that provided me with an opportunity to do that position as a faculty member.

00:16:41.640 And so the things that took place almost immediately as I began to do my work let me know that I was in an environment that I had never been in before.

00:16:52.320 And it was like I was in a twilight zone almost.

00:16:56.220 It was immediate within two weeks after, you know, starting my work.

00:17:00.740 So when you took the lead role on DEI, what did you think it was?

00:17:08.120 Yeah, so this was a position to lead a faculty, an institution wide transformation around three topics, which was my office role, equity, social justice and multicultural education.

00:17:21.460 And when I interviewed for it, it was a lengthy process.

00:17:24.860 And, you know, I was very forthright with them about who I was, and they kind of revealed to me some of their pain points.

00:17:31.220 And one of the things they said was, the panel said was, you know, the office you'll be working for, they're a little too woke.

00:17:39.560 And, you know, that's why we're looking for someone to come in and bring a balance.

00:17:42.960 And I said, well, can you tell me what you mean by woke?

00:17:46.240 Because people use words all the time, and they have different meanings for them.

00:17:51.700 And so I'm always someone who's looking to get at the heart of what is someone actually talking about.

00:17:56.100 And they said that, well, when faculty goes to your office, you know, if you're selected as a candidate, they feel uncomfortable.

00:18:05.360 They're accused of being racist.

00:18:08.120 They're told that they're teaching wrong.

00:18:10.760 And so a lot of faculty doesn't engage.

00:18:13.040 And I said, well, based on that definition that you're telling me, you know, I'm definitely not woke.

00:18:18.820 You know, what I seek to do is I seek to bring people together from diverse and divergent perspectives and, you know, and to identify points of commonality.

00:18:28.640 Even if we seem really different, I think we can always find a way to serve our students.

00:18:32.520 And so that was, you know, my statement.

00:18:34.660 And from that, I advanced to the next stage.

00:18:36.760 And I did even a teaching demonstration for them on calling people in instead of calling out.

00:18:41.920 And so everything was focused on that, you know, point that they raised about the negativity coming from the office.

00:18:47.860 And I was selected for that position.

00:18:51.180 And I was delighted to be selected because this was, again, you know, things I focus on, an opportunity to bring people together in dialogue and make a positive change in the community. 0.98

00:19:01.300 How long did it take you before you were called the wrong kind of black person or quoting a dirty, dirty Zionist? 0.99

00:19:11.920 Oh, yes. 0.99

00:19:13.920 So that was within two weeks.

00:19:16.660 You know, as I started off, Glenn, I'm someone who I don't assume I know anything or that I have a solution going in.

00:19:23.040 I want to see what people on the ground are saying.

00:19:25.100 Yep.

00:19:25.220 So I did over 60 hours of needs assessment conversations with faculty, administrators, staff.

00:19:33.160 And during this, one of my first ones was with one of my staff members.

00:19:37.180 And they told me that, you know, this job, they were a final candidate.

00:19:41.620 This job should have been theirs. 0.94

00:19:43.120 And they said, you know, they don't know who I am or what my commitment to equity is and, you know, why I've come in and swooped this out from under them.

00:19:52.520 But they assured me that I would have a rough road ahead of me.

00:19:55.760 And from that, that was the same person who, a couple of weeks after that initial meeting with them, while I was meeting with my team, we had already had some kind of informal meetings, you know.

00:20:06.320 And it just seemed like they were a very casual group.

00:20:09.680 And remember, I needed to do some strategic planning to do an institution-wide transformation.

00:20:15.080 And so I wanted to bring some structure.

00:20:17.800 And so I said, you know, great.

00:20:19.180 It's been great meeting with everybody, you know, past couple of weeks and so forth.

00:20:22.700 Just tell me a little bit about how you all take notes.

00:20:25.300 How do you, you know, track what you've done in the past, what you're doing in the future?

00:20:29.880 And they said, oh, we just kind of meet and we talk once a week.

00:20:33.080 And I said, well, I've made this Google Doc and all of us can edit it.

00:20:38.060 And, you know, you can put in ideas for agendas.

00:20:40.880 And since I'm so new, maybe you can tell me some of your projects that you're working on and I can see where I can fit in.

00:20:46.100 And the same person who told me my job should have been theirs, they said, stop what you're doing right now.

00:20:52.060 And I was like kind of taken aback.

00:20:53.600 I was like, okay.

00:20:54.160 I said, what?

00:20:55.120 And I said, okay, I'm listening.

00:20:56.480 And he said, what you're doing right now is you're white speaking, you're white explaining, and you're supporting white supremacy.

00:21:04.300 And we don't do that here.

00:21:06.000 And I said, excuse me?

00:21:08.120 And you're African American, right?

00:21:10.460 I just want to make sure.

00:21:11.460 Yeah.

00:21:11.960 Yeah.

00:21:12.440 And I've worked in education my whole life, Glenn.

00:21:16.040 And no teacher or I've never been in a meeting where someone called another person, a white speaking, white explaining, and said white and called them a white supremacist.

00:21:28.100 And I'm from the Central Valley here in California.

00:21:31.360 I grew up there, a small town called Bodai.

00:21:35.680 And there, when we hear white supremacist, it's actual like KKK members, white national socialists is what that refers to.

00:21:43.560 And so I was deeply offended.

00:21:46.740 And everyone on the call, you know, had these smug looks on their faces.

00:21:50.160 And I said, you know, I haven't come in here saying any, calling anyone names, you know.

00:21:55.280 I said, this is, I feel very uncomfortable with what you said.

00:21:58.600 And I just explained to them what I explained to you, where I'm from, and how I've heard that used.

00:22:03.500 And everyone on the call had these looks of condemnation as though I was offending the person who said those offensive words to me.

00:22:11.760 I know this story.

00:22:12.660 And this is, yes.

00:22:14.840 And I took it back to my dean, you know, afterwards.

00:22:18.120 And I said, you know, hey, this happened.

00:22:20.700 And her aspect was flat.

00:22:22.520 She had no response.

00:22:23.940 And I said, you know, I'm real uncomfortable.

00:22:26.320 Normally, I'd be the person who would do some kind of team building or, you know, a communications exercise.

00:22:32.700 But I said, but I'm the target.

00:22:33.840 I said, I need you to bring someone in to talk to this team about, you know, in-group bias and how do you let a new person in and how do you talk to each other with, you know, civil, in a civil way.

00:22:45.800 And then, you know, and I need this to be repaired.

00:22:51.420 I said, because we can't communicate this way.

00:22:54.140 This is not normal to me.

00:22:55.760 It's very abnormal.

00:22:57.300 She never brought anyone in.

00:22:58.900 And I asked her if she would come.

00:23:01.400 And then she ended up being one of the main instigators as well.

00:23:04.800 So that's just that was the environment that started off with my supervising dean and my team, you know, me being called a white supremacist.

00:23:14.280 And, you know, and I didn't know what they meant until many weeks later.

00:23:18.860 You know, I saw they I started going to their workshops and I kept seeing this slide pop up and it said white supremacy culture characteristics.

00:23:27.220 And one time it had a citation on it.

00:23:29.480 And so I was able to find the white paper where it came from.

00:23:32.080 But it had things, Glenn, like being on time, being objective, setting an agenda.

00:23:39.260 Yeah.

00:23:39.720 And these are like personality characteristics.

00:23:42.740 And I said, what is it?

00:23:43.760 But at our California community colleges, that's being held up as a framework for people to work from.

00:23:51.060 And they call it that they're dismantling white supremacy.

00:23:55.180 And the way that they're doing it is by not elevating those characteristics and, I guess, castigating anyone who demonstrates them.

00:24:02.920 And to me, all the characteristics were things I had always taught my students to do to be successful in life.

00:24:08.740 They're not white supremacy.

00:24:10.360 Exactly right.

00:24:11.200 These are just, you know, I just that's how it started.

00:24:14.640 That's how it started.

00:24:15.740 And from there, it's at every turn, it was becoming clear that I was working from a different understanding of social justice, you know, from them.

00:24:25.220 And I had to really figure that out while I was in it, which was an interesting thing, because, again, all my institutions I had worked at before, you know, they use a classical definition.

00:24:35.680 And, you know, hindsight's 20-20.

00:24:38.840 But, you know, here they were using a critical definition.

00:24:42.240 And it was this focus on, you know, claiming that America is a white supremacy, a nation founded by white supremacy.

00:24:49.740 That's one of their core things that they put, even the academic senate made a resolution stating that.

00:24:55.560 And I pushed back on that.

00:24:56.900 That made me an enemy again.

00:24:58.380 I said, you know, no, America's founded to me and to others here.

00:25:02.380 And they're too afraid to speak because the environment you all have created.

00:25:05.580 I said, it's founded on fairness and equality.

00:25:07.840 You know, whether we've lived up to it or not is something we can all debate.

00:25:12.400 But I disagree.

00:25:13.440 I said, we're putting that in there.

00:25:14.980 And they said, no, we're rejecting that.

00:25:17.640 It's found on white supremacy.

00:25:18.920 That's final.

00:25:19.800 And they put that in a resolution that the faculty signed.

00:25:22.740 You are an absolute unicorn.

00:25:25.440 Hang on.

00:25:26.080 I want to take a quick break and come back and just have you quickly tell the story about what you found with the.

00:25:31.600 With the anti-Semitism on the campus as well.

00:25:35.800 Dr. Tavia Lee is with us.

00:25:37.840 She is a senior fellow now at Do No Harm Medicine.

00:25:42.600 And she was at some universities or some.

00:25:50.600 What would you call it?

00:25:51.800 Just college or is it a technical college?

00:25:53.720 I'm sorry, Tavia.

00:25:55.240 So this was a community college.

00:25:57.400 Community college.

00:25:57.920 California Community College.

00:25:59.000 Okay.

00:25:59.180 And you were experiencing, as the DEI director, you're experiencing, wow, they don't define things the same.

00:26:10.200 Then you started noticing, because you were talking to students what's happening, and several Jewish students came and said, I feel unsafe here.

00:26:18.480 Actually, this was during my needs assessment conversation.

00:26:26.480 So this was conversations with faculty, staff, and administrators.

00:26:31.480 Multiple times it was mentioned that there was a problem with anti-Semitism on the campus.

00:26:36.440 And they gave me several examples, like the academic calendar starting for decades on Jewish High Holy Holidays.

00:26:46.940 Stories were shared with me about things that happened before I came.

00:26:50.440 Our student government basically subverted an effort of the Jewish Student Union to bring forth a definition of anti-Semitism, the IRA definition.

00:27:02.360 Instead, the student government ended up making a counter proposal.

00:27:07.580 And then they made no definition of anti-Semitism, but they condemned Israel.

00:27:12.380 And so that was very disappointing to the students.

00:27:16.460 I also heard about the students being uncomfortable because of anti-Semitic flyering.

00:27:22.980 This was all before I got there, you know, and people were sharing these stories with me and telling me the environment of fear and exclusion that have been created for Jewish students.

00:27:33.300 And I was on, as part of my director responsibilities, a group called the Equity Action Council.

00:27:40.240 And what I discovered there, Glenn, they weren't focused on equity.

00:27:44.320 To me, equity means fairness, the textbook definition.

00:27:47.500 They were talking about something completely different.

00:27:49.920 And then they weren't focused on action either.

00:27:52.560 So it was a big time waster on the taxpayer dollar.

00:27:56.540 And this group gets funding, too.

00:27:58.100 And our local Hillel director came to the Equity Action Council, and they shared information about, you know, the uncomfortable environment for students.

00:28:10.000 And they asked, they urged us, please, to act.

00:28:12.420 And they offered to assist.

00:28:14.040 And they gave us some recommendations in written form because they said they had come and talked to several people, you know, before, and nothing ever happens.

00:28:21.380 And they were hoping, you know, to see some changes.

00:28:23.780 When we took these recommendations back to our team meeting, I said, wow, you know, I'm first, I'm offended by the way that one of the staff members, as these guests were talking, they were dropping resources into the chat box.

00:28:40.460 Like, here's a link to Students for Justice for Palestine.

00:28:44.640 This is a good resource to learn about anti-Semitism. 0.69

00:28:48.020 Here's a link to Jewish Voices for Peace and so forth.

00:28:50.860 They were giving resources that were antithetical to what the people were speaking about.

00:28:56.700 And I said, I found that disrespectful.

00:28:58.740 And they said, well, it wasn't disrespectful.

00:29:00.760 You and your guests, they called it, we're sharing resources.

00:29:04.100 So we shared ours.

00:29:05.100 Oh, my gosh.

00:29:05.620 And I said, okay.

00:29:06.560 I tell you, I would, will you please come in?

00:29:09.560 I would love to do a podcast with you where we could spend, you know, an hour without commercial interruption.

00:29:15.080 So, so you and I can really talk because I find you fascinating, brave, what you're doing now is brave.

00:29:22.720 I can't imagine what you've gone through and refreshing.

00:29:27.640 So could I invite you in?

00:29:30.260 I would love to, yes.

00:29:31.580 The best of the Glenn Beck program.

00:29:38.920 Riaz.

00:29:39.940 So good to see you.

00:29:40.980 Nice to see you.

00:29:41.700 It's been a long time.

00:29:42.620 It has.

00:29:43.120 Yes.

00:29:43.660 How are you?

00:29:44.360 I'm good.

00:29:44.960 Parenting.

00:29:45.540 Parenting is worrying and exhausting.

00:29:48.760 Yes.

00:29:49.260 Yeah.

00:29:49.980 And your kids are getting older now.

00:29:52.620 They're six and seven.

00:29:54.420 Six and seven.

00:29:54.960 Yeah.

00:29:55.160 And just wait until they get to high school.

00:29:58.520 I know.

00:29:58.880 I know.

00:29:59.440 It's horrible.

00:30:00.100 It's horrible.

00:30:00.540 I'm still in the cuddling phase.

00:30:01.800 Yeah.

00:30:02.180 Oh, don't, don't, don't miss a second of that.

00:30:06.560 Yeah.

00:30:06.780 Don't miss a second of that.

00:30:08.240 I took a video of my daughter.

00:30:09.340 I said, promise me that you will always cuddle.

00:30:11.900 And she said, yes.

00:30:12.680 So I'm like, will this be useful when she's 13?

00:30:15.620 Like, no, you promised.

00:30:16.540 I have it on video.

00:30:17.980 Yeah.

00:30:18.240 It won't be.

00:30:18.580 She'll just give you the eye roll, but it'll come back around to it. 1.00

00:30:21.520 Um, so Riaz, there is so much misinformation, disinformation, and hatred going on right now.

00:30:34.540 Yes.

00:30:35.040 And so much fear.

00:30:37.100 I can't imagine what it would feel like to be a Jew today.

00:30:41.880 Um, but I know you're Muslim.

00:30:46.660 How does it feel to be a Muslim today?

00:30:49.520 I imagine much the same.

00:30:51.920 I think there are, there are four things that both sides have in common right now.

00:30:57.020 And I think that's true of any binary split we see in the world.

00:31:00.780 One is that they are seeing the absolute worst of the other side on their screens.

00:31:06.060 Whether you're a Jewish, whether you're Muslim, you are seeing the absolute worst of the other 1.00

00:31:09.420 side.

00:31:10.360 Two is you're not seeing the absolute worst of your own side.

00:31:14.000 And so we go with these blind spots where we're not aware of our own flaws and weaknesses.

00:31:17.340 Three is that the people in charge represent fewer and fewer of the people that they're

00:31:23.900 supposed to represent.

00:31:24.720 I mean, all the protests in Israel from January were saying this is too extreme for us.

00:31:30.020 And I think everyone felt this tightening, tightening, tightening, and it was going to

00:31:33.520 spring load.

00:31:34.120 And it did.

00:31:35.160 And, you know, even America, I think the choices we have, I don't know if most people would

00:31:39.560 say, yes, those are the choices I want.

00:31:41.100 And so three is that these people representing represent fewer and fewer.

00:31:45.420 And four is the consequences of those decision makers in their extreme positions are borne

00:31:51.320 by the average person on both sides.

00:31:53.920 So that is true of Russia, Ukraine.

00:31:55.760 That is true of Israel, Palestine. 0.84

00:31:57.380 Those four things are in common.

00:31:58.760 It's absolutely true.

00:31:59.880 And it starts with the screens is that the darkest part about the screens to me is not that

00:32:06.260 it curates what you like to like, it curates what you like to hate.

00:32:10.940 And that's where we're all walking around with the sense of dread and fear and angers

00:32:15.160 because we're cultivating a muscle that has never been cultivated to this extent every

00:32:19.240 day, post after post.

00:32:21.120 What do you hate?

00:32:21.940 I like to hate that.

00:32:23.480 I like to hate that.

00:32:25.720 And so that's why we're all walking around primed and angry and rage increases is because 0.99

00:32:30.480 these damn screens are designed to make you feel that. 0.99

00:32:34.060 Because if the world is burning, you're not going to turn away from your screen. 1.00

00:32:36.960 If it's all fine, you can put it down and enjoy life.

00:32:40.400 And they said in Facebook pushed an angry emoji five times harder than a thumbs up.

00:32:47.220 Five times harder, not twice.

00:32:49.880 So everything you're getting is the dire worst.

00:32:53.340 Stories of hope, of connection don't make it through.

00:32:56.540 Conflict is, it's funny, I'm still pitching times in Hollywood and people will say, what's

00:33:00.140 the conflict?

00:33:01.160 And I'm like, the world is actually burning.

00:33:02.940 Can you smell it?

00:33:04.460 It's actually, I can smell the burning of the world and you want more conflict.

00:33:08.760 And there has to be a space for connection because that's where hope comes from.

00:33:12.900 And if there's no hope, then there's, it's all over.

00:33:15.800 So that's what you have decided to do with the rest of your life, or at least this portion

00:33:20.560 of your life is to connect people.

00:33:22.420 But let's, let me drill in a little bit here on just what you just said.

00:33:28.000 Um, you said it probably feels a lot like being a Muslim today, except you have people in America 0.99

00:33:38.920 shouting, there's only one solution, chanting only one solution, death to the Jews. 0.98

00:33:46.860 Um, and so you have this history of 18 holocausts in the world where the world just turned against 1.00

00:33:55.620 and just wanted to kill all of them. 0.78

00:33:57.400 So I think that is, that's kind of a special place. 1.00

00:34:01.720 You know, there's one thing about anger and rage and it makes you do stupid things, but 0.99

00:34:06.940 Hamas, Hamas is serious about wiping every Jew off the planet. 0.99

00:34:14.340 And that seems to be what a lot of people who are marching are kind of for.

00:34:21.760 Well, so the unusual thing about my history is I'm a Muslim, but I was always sent to Jewish

00:34:25.640 schools.

00:34:26.240 And so I, and you never knew that I would wake up in a Muslim house in a Christian world

00:34:30.440 where I went to Jewish schools, where everyone thought I was Hindu because my last name is

00:34:33.680 Patel.

00:34:34.460 And there really is such commonality between Jews and Muslims.

00:34:39.540 And I will say to you, I just turned 50, I have never met a Muslim ever.

00:34:45.420 And I've been to Saudi, I've been, that has ever not seen why Israel needs to exist 1.00

00:34:52.500 and is not in some ways admiring of, of the Jewish community because of how they've, what

00:34:58.200 they came back from.

00:34:59.180 And I do not see, so yes, it's funny.

00:35:02.400 It depends on what echo chamber you're living in, because I would say I have college professors

00:35:06.680 who absolutely say to me, we can't say anything pro-Israel right now because we're going to 1.00

00:35:10.880 get shouted down.

00:35:11.820 But I also know in Hollywood that there's one position and one position only.

00:35:16.560 And agent, a recent agent made a statement on the Muslim side, and she was asked to retract

00:35:21.380 it, walk it back.

00:35:22.300 And so again, because of our screens, we're all living in these echo chambers where one

00:35:26.820 side is completely for Jews and one side is completely against.

00:35:30.020 And yet the solution is going to be somewhere in between where there's compatibility and camaraderie.

00:35:33.660 So let me ask you, a majority, new poll, majority of Muslim Americans believe Hamas was justified 0.99

00:35:42.600 in committing the terrorist attacks against Israel.

00:35:46.100 How would you answer that question?

00:35:48.200 Absolutely not.

00:35:48.940 I would say I do not support Hamas.

00:35:54.080 I think it's a horrible organization, but I understand why it emerged.

00:35:59.820 Like Hamas is a reaction of desperation.

00:36:03.740 An analogy, if you look at January 6th and you see people sort of just going into the 0.94

00:36:08.620 Capitol, if you look at that isolated incident, you're like, oh, they're absolutely crazy. 0.99

00:36:12.820 They're horrible people. 0.95

00:36:13.780 But there's obviously something that happened before that that led them to a point where

00:36:17.260 they were that desperate.

00:36:18.840 Similarly, and again, this is an analogy.

00:36:20.580 This is much more bloody, much more horrible.

00:36:22.480 There is a desperation that has led to this.

00:36:25.420 This is not something, again, when I said the three things in common, I do not think most

00:36:29.480 Palestinians would like Hamas to be in charge. 0.99

00:36:31.960 It's the necessary evil that they have because there is no other option for them that can

00:36:36.260 get them resources.

00:36:37.680 We talk about our kids being worried about our kids.

00:36:40.400 Can you imagine being a parent and your child does not have access to food and water and

00:36:44.880 health care on a daily basis?

00:36:46.260 I know many people from Palestine who are repeatedly strip searched.

00:36:50.280 They try to bring in resources to the family.

00:36:51.980 It's taken.

00:36:53.040 It is a reaction to something that history started before October 7th.

00:36:57.960 Is it justified?

00:36:58.640 No, I don't like Hamas, but I understand why it ended up that we got this Hamas. 0.99

00:37:04.020 I do not think any Muslim would want this. 1.00

00:37:06.160 So I believe that to be true, just like I believe the majority of those who went in on January

00:37:14.740 6th were led by some really bad people who were just saying things that maybe people wanted

00:37:24.780 to hear.

00:37:25.660 This is my analogy.

00:37:26.840 Yes.

00:37:27.000 So there are, every time I've gone to Israel, I have met with Palestinians and I met with

00:37:33.880 Jews off the record. 0.94

00:37:35.340 Once the cameras are away and I have always found Palestinian parents, people who are working

00:37:43.160 now, they're usually people who are crossing into Israel and working in Israel.

00:37:49.000 Because that's where the opportunities are.

00:37:49.340 Correct.

00:37:49.580 And they'll always say the same thing.

00:37:52.960 I have no problem.

00:37:54.780 I have no problem.

00:37:56.240 I just, this is out of control.

00:37:59.620 And so it is kind of like how we feel here in America.

00:38:05.840 I think a lot of people feel like I don't want any of this war.

00:38:10.520 I don't want any of this division, but that's where it's going because of our leadership.

00:38:17.080 Absolutely.

00:38:17.560 I think everyone feels we're on the edge of the civil war.

00:38:20.000 Who do you know who's like, yes, I'm open to this.

00:38:23.400 I'm open to opportunities being gone for the next few years in a civil war.

00:38:26.920 It doesn't make sense.

00:38:28.220 But I think the way it all works is more and more of these extreme positions are taken

00:38:32.820 and the ordinary person is not being represented.

00:38:35.460 And that's true worldwide.

00:38:37.000 Okay.

00:38:37.220 So how do we deal with, would you compare Hamas, what they did to Nazis?

00:38:42.540 I would say yes. 0.65

00:38:43.740 I think, I think, I mean, yes, in a way, I think that they are horrible people who are

00:38:50.780 now working from an extreme position.

00:38:52.840 I think there's no part of me that supports what they're doing.

00:38:58.340 And I don't know any Palestinians who would say this is the way we would choose. 1.00

00:39:02.400 It's sort of like.

00:39:03.440 Now I'm just talking about Hamas. 0.88

00:39:04.720 Yeah.

00:39:04.840 Yeah. 0.88

00:39:05.360 Why do you hesitate on saying that that's a Nazi tech kill all the Jews? 0.72

00:39:09.780 I think I was just thinking from a political standpoint of where. 0.86

00:39:13.660 Okay.

00:39:14.060 Nazism started. 0.90

00:39:14.720 I was being very specific about the analogy.

00:39:16.020 I know I watched your eyes.

00:39:17.380 You were thinking it wasn't avoiding.

00:39:19.540 No, it was like sort of one of the levels.

00:39:20.900 I think in the extreme of we don't want Jews to exist. 1.00

00:39:23.980 Yes. 0.88

00:39:24.320 Okay.

00:39:24.680 Yes.

00:39:25.320 So when we went in, and this is something I've been struggling with.

00:39:29.400 When we went into World War II, we didn't hate the Germans.

00:39:34.600 We didn't hate the Germans.

00:39:36.460 We hated the Nazis.

00:39:37.840 How do we separate the Nazis, if you will, from the regular Palestinians? 1.00

00:39:47.040 This is tricky when you're talking about a place that is so densely packed.

00:39:50.780 I mean, the population of Gaza is so tightly packed that how do you.

00:39:55.440 And I constantly hear this human shields.

00:39:57.240 I'm like, well, there's nowhere else to go.

00:39:58.860 Why won't any of the Arab neighbors take them into their own country? 1.00

00:40:06.400 Here's a perfect example.

00:40:07.840 In another analogy, at the southern border, there are tons of Mexicans, Central Americans.

00:40:14.360 They're all Christians.

00:40:15.840 How come we are not just opening up our borders to them? 1.00

00:40:18.240 Because we're not in that situation.

00:40:19.660 If they were all being slaughtered like that.

00:40:22.800 To a large extent, they are.

00:40:25.100 People who are coming to the southern border are running away from absolute drug warfare.

00:40:29.700 My point is that there are other factors.

00:40:31.800 There's economic factors, political factors.

00:40:33.260 These are not countries with massive opportunity.

00:40:35.520 When you're saying, why can't they just accept them because they're all Muslims?

00:40:39.100 It's their other factors.

00:40:40.620 There's struggles that they have in their own countries in a similar way that we don't open up our borders in the south, even though technically.

00:40:46.240 Even though we have.

00:40:47.000 Well, that's a separate story.

00:40:48.360 But the idea is that even though you all worship the same prophet and you're all Christians in some way, there are political factors.

00:40:54.320 There's social factors why you can't just open up your borders.

00:40:56.640 I think sometimes when we look at the Arab world, we're like, you're all Muslims.

00:41:00.240 Why can't you just take them in?

00:41:01.380 But there are other factors.

00:41:02.380 There's tons of problems in these other countries that they don't have opportunities, similar to America, that we don't have enough resources for our own citizens.

00:41:10.400 So we cannot just open up the borders blindly.

00:41:12.680 But I think if you look at Gaza, that's one thing.

00:41:14.940 That's where Hamas is. 0.97

00:41:16.040 But if you look at West Bank, there's also been, without Hamas, massive problems, massive issues that I look at the West Bank as more indicative of the problems because there is no Hamas there.

00:41:26.660 And yet there's no opportunity for these people.

00:41:28.680 And there's still this constant surveillance and this constant strip searches.

00:41:32.460 And I know from people I actually talk to.

00:41:34.880 So to me, the West Bank is very much the better case to look at because there is no Hamas there.

00:41:40.260 And yet the treatment is so horrific for so long.

00:41:43.480 And so extremism does grow when there's lack of opportunity.

00:41:47.380 First of all, I don't call it the West Bank.

00:41:48.740 I call it Judea and Samaria.

00:41:50.340 They're traditional names.

00:41:51.360 But I know people that live there, and I know people, families, who have been slaughtered by their neighbors, just slaughtered in the middle of the night.

00:42:04.780 I mean, you know.

00:42:06.060 But there's factors behind that.

00:42:07.240 For example, I was showing – someone was bringing up to me because I worked in Saudi.

00:42:11.300 They showed me an article of someone and said, look, they hanged this man because he was gay.

00:42:15.160 And so I went and found the original article and was like, well, not because I was gay, but because he actually assaulted children.

00:42:20.420 So when you say slaughtered, I don't know – I need to know the specifics of this.

00:42:23.700 I think we tend to paint brown people in big strokes.

00:42:27.480 And it's the same way that I think, analogically, white people get – like all of them, half of America is white supremacist.

00:42:33.140 It's not.

00:42:33.960 I know that. 0.90

00:42:34.780 But if you look at the other side, they will say, well, most white people are white supremacist. 0.52

00:42:38.400 And the same way, this broad stroke, every time I look at news footage, it's always the same shot of large crowds of Muslims veiled who are wailing and then all men prostrating in prayer.

00:42:48.220 Which, by the way, there are 15 million of my kind of Muslim, Ismailis.

00:42:51.280 We don't pray that way.

00:42:52.720 And no one knows anything about us.

00:42:54.200 And men and women are equal.

00:42:55.760 And prayers are led by a man, then a woman, then a man, then a woman.

00:42:57.820 But no one's ever heard of us because there's a broad stroke being painted here.

00:43:01.120 And that's what the screens do.

00:43:03.320 And so I'd have to know the specifics of this situation.

00:43:05.940 And that's why I'm like the only solution is for people to actually talk because the edits we're getting are edits.

00:43:11.960 What are you seeing in your edit?

00:43:13.400 What are you not seeing in your edit?

00:43:15.100 So Riaz Patal is with us, a dear friend who really is trying to find solutions of connecting people.

00:43:24.220 And you've been going around the country.

00:43:27.580 For years.

00:43:28.440 For years now.

00:43:29.300 Yeah.

00:43:29.640 How's it going?

00:43:30.520 It is anytime I leave a group of people, I am hopeful because they connect.

00:43:37.220 They are able to see each other.

00:43:39.100 They're able to realize that they are not the edits that they see in the screen.

00:43:42.680 And then they're able to talk.

00:43:44.440 And it's such a productive element.

00:43:47.360 We know things are divided.

00:43:48.580 We know we feel conflict.

00:43:49.920 This experience, it's an hour connect effect.

00:43:52.200 And we do it on college campuses.

00:43:53.540 We do it in community centers.

00:43:54.940 We do it at companies.

00:43:56.000 Anywhere where there's existing communities that are lacking a sense of connection.

00:43:59.600 And they go through this hour show.

00:44:01.660 I'm an entertainment person.

00:44:02.780 It is actually a show.

00:44:03.520 It's entertaining.

00:44:04.220 Because when you're entertained, your ego goes down.

00:44:07.620 Everything.

00:44:08.120 The problem is that even though we're all living in an information age, connection is not remotely information based.

00:44:12.560 I'll show you an edit.

00:44:13.480 You show me an edit.

00:44:14.160 I'll show you facts.

00:44:14.840 You show me facts.

00:44:15.760 And then we go nowhere.

00:44:16.700 Because it all goes through the brain and ego.

00:44:18.340 This is a different way in that permeates.

00:44:20.480 And so we take this group of people and we hard reset their humanity.

00:44:24.280 And whether we've done it with progressives and liberals, progressives and conservatives in Orange County.

00:44:28.500 We've done it across the gun debate.

00:44:31.180 And people are able to see each other and realize, oh, I don't know you.

00:44:35.900 I know.

00:44:36.700 And it's about people like you.

00:44:38.300 But you, I don't know.

00:44:39.660 And then they're able to talk.

00:44:41.340 My lane is personal transformation.

00:44:42.860 So for me, the real thing is the loneliness epidemic.

00:44:45.800 And part of the isolation from screens leads to this polarization.

00:44:49.260 Well, how do I get a hold of you?

00:44:50.280 How does somebody want to do this?

00:44:51.660 It's info at connecteffect.us.

00:44:53.920 And we go constantly to places.

00:44:55.840 We arrive with our team.

00:44:56.840 There's a technology that we bring.

00:44:58.180 There's a huge part of it that's on a screen.

00:45:00.060 And it goes between the real world and the screen world.

00:45:02.480 Because that's the whole thing is we live our lives between two worlds.

00:45:05.260 One of them is real.

00:45:06.580 You and I sitting in this room, this is real.

00:45:08.740 The edits on our screen are not.

00:45:10.440 They're edits.

00:45:11.520 So important.

00:45:12.800 You're doing God's work.

00:45:14.020 We are trying to get people to realize that there is hope if you connect with people.

00:45:18.320 And it's the most important thing in the world is connection.

00:45:20.500 And it's disappearing.

00:45:22.080 Info at connecteffect.us.

00:45:26.740 Yes.

00:45:27.240 Thanks, Rez.

00:45:28.000 Nice to see you.

00:45:28.760 Good to see you.

The Glenn Beck Program - October 24, 2023

Best of the Program ｜ Guests： Tabia Lee & Riaz Patel ｜ 10⧸24⧸23

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