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00:00:00.000 Hey, welcome to the podcast. It was a contentious one right from the beginning because, uh, Stu

00:00:05.540 is a racist when it comes to 007. Just a total and complete racist. Yeah, yeah. And Glenn wants

00:00:12.940 to just sacrifice your entire culture to the social justice warriors. Would you like to,

00:00:17.740 would you like to have me point out the use of the word D, D-E-G-O? Huh? Would you like me to,

00:00:23.980 your use of that? I said it was the two words, day and go, and it happened to me next week.

00:00:28.120 I don't, please don't bring it up anymore. Anyway, so very contentious. Uh, we have Tim Alberta on,

00:00:33.740 who wrote a new book called American Carnage. We asked him a few questions about his, uh, about

00:00:37.940 his book. Fascinating behind the scenes about, uh, uh, about, uh, our vice president Pence. I asked him

00:00:44.980 the question, do you think Pence might not be our vice president? Could it be Nikki Haley? He gave an

00:00:52.100 answer to that. Also, Elon Omar, is she married to her brother? What is the deal with that?

00:00:58.120 John Solomon on his latest lawsuit with the Department of State to, uh, to obtain the

00:01:03.900 communications between the Department of State and Joe Biden. An explosive story on that. And, uh,

00:01:10.880 also Showtime's portrayal of, uh, a very talented TV guy. Uh, oh, you mean the armadillo with a

00:01:17.860 hairpiece? Glenn Beck? All that and more on today's podcast.

00:01:28.260 You're listening to the best of the Glenn Beck program.

00:01:32.300 We can only hope that I have a, another vocal cord, uh, experience, uh, this summer. Oh,

00:01:45.060 that would be great. We could bring in a black woman to replace it. We could, we could, we could,

00:01:49.980 um, and I wouldn't have a problem with that. Oh, it's time. I think it's time for a little diversity.

00:01:57.380 If there was a, if there was a black woman that, that had, you know, my traits, having her on,

00:02:04.120 giving her opinions on this show would be fine. Well, of course it would. Right. Yes. Your

00:02:08.420 problem is you think James Bond is being replaced by a black woman and James Bond is a guy.

00:02:17.760 So you're true. So you're the problem. I'm the problem here. Yeah.

00:02:21.060 I'm just tired of the diversity. If you want to have a problem, I know if you want to have a

00:02:28.560 problem, have a problem with the guy who is replacing James Bond as James Bond, he's always

00:02:35.780 been a white guy. He's not a white, he's not a black man. He's always been a white guy. If you

00:02:40.900 want to have that conversation. Okay. What is he now? He's white. He's still white. James Bond.

00:02:46.680 Who's replacing Daniel Craig? The guy who he's great actor. Don't remember his name. He's a

00:02:54.180 black guy, but not in this Bond movie, but not in this one is becoming Bond. What? Right. A

00:02:59.960 black guy is, yeah, is becoming Bond. And so, you know, if you want to just, you know, flush

00:03:04.720 all of the history of this guy with, it was like a, when, uh, what's his name did one, one

00:03:11.180 Bond movie and he was like sensitive and, Oh, you know, I'm not going to be bad with

00:03:16.580 Timothy Dalton. Yeah. Okay. That's not James Bond. Right. We, we know who James Bond

00:03:22.360 is. He's a white guy from Scotland. Right. We got it. Okay. He's not a black guy. Now

00:03:29.180 that one, you could have an intellectual argument over on let's stop changing the

00:03:33.980 stories. Can we please stop changing the stories just for political correctness? But

00:03:40.100 can we move on with our lives? Cause it's freaking James Bond, the 007 status in this particular

00:03:48.000 movie, James Bond is still Daniel Craig and James Bond is pissed because his 00 status

00:03:55.100 is gone and he wants it back from the new person that has that 00 status. So he's still James

00:04:02.480 Bond. Right. So, and then they're just, so basically what they've come up with a way to justify the

00:04:07.700 diversity move here in the story and you're accepting it. That's essentially what we're

00:04:11.620 learning. I'm trying not to hate everybody and everything. I just, I'm trying, I'm trying

00:04:15.520 not to be, I guys, I was just in New York for the last week. It is the worst. Like Hamilton

00:04:21.240 was interesting because I don't know if you know this, Alexander Hamilton wasn't black.

00:04:26.960 Shut up. No, he wasn't. He was a white guy. He was a white guy. Now if we, what if, what

00:04:32.300 if you'd made Martin Luther King, a white guy, can you imagine the, uh, so, so hang on just

00:04:41.260 a second. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. So would you have a problem? Cause I wouldn't,

00:04:45.540 would you have a problem with a great actor who happened to be black playing, uh, one of

00:04:51.720 our founders if it wasn't all about this stupid diversity thing? So in other words, a great

00:04:59.260 actor could play Malcolm X or Martin Luther King, it would be, it would be hard. You have to go

00:05:06.140 farther away. Let's go and go the other way. Is it okay for, you know, a white person to play

00:05:11.740 black people? We look back at that in history and we say that's negative, right? We look back at

00:05:15.420 blackface and say, that's a bad idea unless you happen to be governor of Virginia. It's a really

00:05:18.940 bad idea, right? Because it was demeaning. If you played the role, right, it still would not be

00:05:24.320 acceptable in our society because of political correctness. But it's just also dumb, right?

00:05:30.080 Like there's, there's, you know what, there's black people and black founders, by the way,

00:05:33.280 you can have black people play black, the black founders. It'd be great to see some freaking

00:05:36.260 movies about that. I would love to see that. It would. Tell the real story. It would. Which we've

00:05:40.320 done. It would. Uh, I just don't, I mean like, and then you see Scarlett, Scarlett Johansson getting

00:05:45.100 in trouble because she said she should be able to play anyone she wants. She should be able to play any

00:05:50.020 tree or, or B or whatever it was that she wants. And that's being seen as this like,

00:05:55.340 oh my gosh, I can't believe how dare she. How dare she? Well, cause she got a role taken from her

00:06:00.080 because she's not trans. So I guess now only trans people can play a trans role. And I think

00:06:04.800 it's stupid. It's stupid. It's stupid. But wait a minute. Hang on just a second. What's the difference

00:06:10.460 between white and black? Right. Exactly. I think it's just the real visibility, right? I think

00:06:14.600 Rod, uh, Daniel Craig took some heat at the beginning when he was named Bond because he was too

00:06:19.120 short. And like, this guy's too short to be Bond. People noticed that. Yeah, but that's

00:06:24.580 ridiculous. But it's not. Tom Cruise is 5'1". Right. But Tom Cruise is playing, like Tom Cruise

00:06:31.120 is standing on a box. You just can't see him standing on the box. And because it's hidden.

00:06:35.800 You can't do that with skin color. It's just a really obvious trait. Right. Right. You can't,

00:06:41.320 you can't do it. Like if you had, even if it's like long hair, right? Like there's things

00:06:45.280 that you can alter to make the person appear like the person they're playing. And so you

00:06:50.220 do those things. You can't do it with skin color. That's why it's the most obvious one.

00:06:53.900 I have to tell you. Or gender. The hate here. We need Marianne Williamson here. Because the

00:06:59.940 hate that is happening on this show right now. Overwhelming. Overwhelming. That's true.

00:07:05.120 Now, I don't know. Did you guys hear the Marianne Williamson prayer? I have not yet. Now, this

00:07:09.760 is not cult-like at all. This does not feel like some sort of spooky, you know, what's

00:07:17.260 that name of that movie? Somar or something? That movie that's out right now. Yeah. That's,

00:07:22.600 it's nothing like this. Definitely doesn't sound like Get Out Part 2. There's definitely

00:07:27.420 no. No. You're not going to feel that here. Here it is. As I speak, I'm going to ask the

00:07:34.340 white Americans in the room to please repeat after me. Okay. On behalf of myself and on behalf

00:07:44.060 of my country. To you and all African Americans. From the beginning of our nation's history. In

00:08:01.600 honor of your ancestors and on behalf of your children. Please hear this from my heart.

00:08:14.320 I apologize. Please forgive us. With this prayer, I acknowledge the depth of the evils that have

00:08:27.380 been perpetrated against black people in America. It's too long.

00:08:35.100 From slavery. To lynchings. To white supremacist laws. To white supremacist laws. To the denial

00:08:46.820 of voting rights. To all the ways. Both large and small. All of them

00:08:57.180 evil. All of them evil. All of them wrong. All of them wrong. For all the oppression. For all the

00:09:04.400 oppression. And all of the injustices. And all the injustices. And all the injustices. I apologize.

00:09:09.600 Is this a never ending prayer? Yes. I know. The Lord is like, okay. All right. I got it. I got it.

00:09:14.560 For the love of Pete. Okay. So does she then say, now turn around and reverse this?

00:09:23.320 Oh, oh, surely they just left that out of the video. Yeah. So she, she doesn't do that. My,

00:09:28.540 my, I actually. Black people have to apologize for something, Glenn. What are you saying? I think

00:09:33.080 all, I think all Americans need to apologize for a lot of stuff. Oh my gosh. We've done that on this

00:09:38.460 show where I've come out and said, hey, I made some mistakes and I apologize. It's always good to

00:09:43.160 apologize. It's always good to recognize someone else's pain, but it can't be a one-way street unless

00:09:49.800 it's God on the other end. When you're apologizing to God, you don't go, well, it's your turn

00:09:56.500 now. Okay. He has nothing to apologize for, but everybody else has something to apologize

00:10:03.320 for. There's nothing wrong with this recognition. If it would just stop there, but this isn't

00:10:11.600 going to stop there. Well, except these aren't the people that are responsible for slavery and

00:10:16.220 discrimination laws. Yeah. That's where the real issue is. Yeah. No, I know that's not

00:10:21.320 them. And what I didn't do it. What a creepy moment. If you happen to be one of the African

00:10:25.240 Americans there, like there's just being touched during that time, touched the entire time

00:10:29.420 throughout the 12 minute prayer and they've got their hands on the guys. There's like

00:10:33.560 apologizing. Wouldn't you, I mean, every African American I think I've ever met would be like,

00:10:38.420 uh, dude, first of all, hands off. Yeah. Second of all, you don't need to apologize to

00:10:44.520 me for something that you weren't even alive before. Agree with you. And I think many African

00:10:50.280 Americans agree with that as well. The ones who are going to marry themselves, pull themselves

00:10:55.420 up by the bootstraps. Uh, they are not there. However, we do know that it is important through

00:11:02.240 AA and, and through all religious organizations, it is important to recognize the pain of others.

00:11:09.820 And just to say it's good. And I, I apologize. I am with you, blah, blah, blah. Yeah. The problem

00:11:16.760 with it is it always, it doesn't stop there. Now I have to pay you reparations. No, wait a minute.

00:11:25.040 What? I'm recognizing your pain. I had nothing to do with you causing your pain, but I am recognizing

00:11:31.540 your pain because you are a human being just like I am. And when I have pain, it feels good for somebody

00:11:38.160 to come up to me and say, I'm sorry for the loss of your mother. Okay. You didn't kill my mom, dude.

00:11:44.440 Why are you sorry? Because I'm recognizing your pain. And so when it stops at that, I'm sorry for your

00:11:51.780 loss. When it stops there. Okay. But it doesn't stop there. What happens is I'm sorry for the loss of

00:12:00.140 your mother. I know. Thank you for that. Now pay me money. Right. I mean, I know Williamson in particular

00:12:06.180 is advocating for about a half a trillion dollars in reparations. Well, we have it. Oh,

00:12:10.880 yeah. We've got plenty of extra money. Yeah. We're the richest nation on earth. Yeah. That's

00:12:14.960 the least we can do. It's the least we can do. I think she said, I think she's the one that said

00:12:20.180 it was, uh, anything under a hundred billion dollars is an insult. Like it would be, if we gave her them,

00:12:25.420 if we gave African-Americans and again, how you'd figure out who gets the, who gets the money and who

00:12:30.100 doesn't, whatever, that's impossibly complicated. But if we gave them only 99 billion, that would be an

00:12:35.960 insult. Just the 99 billion. What about the African-Americans that would find it insulting

00:12:40.900 to take reparations? And what about the African-Americans who didn't have, that weren't

00:12:47.340 here? Well, here's the thing. We don't need any more black faces that aren't black voices.

00:12:53.160 Wait, what? Oh yeah. No, no, no, no, no. You can't do that right before I go into a commercial. You

00:12:57.740 cannot do that. Stand by. Forget you heard that because that is another can of worms we're about to open up.

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00:13:23.080 Tim, uh, Alberta on with us. His new book just came out today, American Carnage. Uh, and I would

00:13:31.500 imagine it's going to get a lot of coverage, uh, in the media, uh, because people will say this is an

00:13:37.420 anti-Trump book. Um, however, I just got this copy today, so I don't know, but there are a lot of

00:13:43.960 interesting, um, uh, interesting things in this book and everybody is on the record in this. This is

00:13:50.040 not a hatchet job, at least that I can see at this point. Um, Tim Alberta is with us, author of American

00:13:57.020 Carnage. Is this a, is this a bash Trump book? Good morning, Glenn. Well, no, I don't think it's

00:14:04.360 a bash Trump book. In fact, I sat with the president in the Oval Office, uh, for a pretty

00:14:08.900 lengthy interview for the book. And I think that I was, uh, awfully fair to him. And I actually just

00:14:14.860 got off the phone with somebody at the white house about 20 minutes ago and had a nice conversation

00:14:18.080 about the book. I think the book examines the president and his administration for what it is

00:14:22.740 nothing more, nothing less. So it was interesting to me because there's a lot of things in here that

00:14:27.900 I have never heard before. For instance, the way Pence, uh, went and, uh, was kind of pursuing Donald

00:14:36.400 Trump, which I didn't know. And the, the things that he had done trying to say, well, if this doesn't

00:14:43.420 happen, uh, you know, then, uh, this, this vice presidency is not supposed to happen. Uh, and he

00:14:51.040 actually spent the weekend with Donald Trump and what he said about Trump, uh, afterwards was

00:14:56.080 pretty remarkable. I thought. Yeah. You know, their relationship is, I think, pretty poorly

00:15:01.880 understood. And it's obviously an incredibly important relationship because most people in

00:15:08.400 the president's orbit, and I think the president himself, uh, believe that he would not have won

00:15:12.520 the election in 2016 without Mike Pence on the ticket. And obviously there are two very different

00:15:17.560 individuals. I've covered Mike Pence for a number of years. I know him and know the people around him

00:15:21.860 pretty well. And Pence went from being the pursued to being the pursuer very, very quickly. And it was

00:15:29.560 very surprising to many of his friends. And essentially the backstory in a nutshell, Glenn, is that once

00:15:34.440 Pence actually met Trump and spent the weekend with him and got to know his family and they played golf

00:15:40.200 together a couple of times, he sort of became convinced that the caricature of Donald Trump

00:15:45.600 was very different from the person, Donald Trump. And that began this very sort of odd couple

00:15:50.920 relationship. And I don't need to go chapter and verse on all the differences between the two men,

00:15:54.660 but Pence came away from all of it thinking, you know what, not only do I like this guy, but I would

00:15:59.900 love to get on a ticket with this guy. Yeah. He said that, um, he is really inquisitive and you don't

00:16:05.760 get that from the president at a distance that he is, that he was constantly asking Pence questions

00:16:12.460 about everything. Uh, and he said he was extremely sharp. Again, another thing that you don't really

00:16:18.320 get from the mainstream media and Donald Trump's appearances. Yeah. Trump's, uh, executive style

00:16:24.620 here is pretty interesting. Uh, he has never been, uh, you talk to people who work with him in the,

00:16:28.820 in, in, in the business world. He's never been somebody who wants long meetings, a very structured day

00:16:34.040 conference calls, things like that. Trump essentially gets information by quizzing people,

00:16:40.240 almost interrogating people like rapid fire style. And he kind of takes what he needs and he discards

00:16:45.380 the rest. And that, that has been sort of his reputation in business and now in politics. And

00:16:50.120 it's funny, Glenn, if you talk with, you know, Republican lawmakers who will go over to the white

00:16:53.900 house, they'll sort of walk out of there in a daze and they're not quite sure what just happened.

00:16:57.940 And they think that he absorbed some of the things they were trying to tell him. And in reality,

00:17:02.020 to Trump's mind, you know, 90% of what they're telling him, he doesn't care about. He feels like

00:17:06.240 it's ephemeral and, or that it's peripheral to, to the, to the matter at hand. And he is sort of,

00:17:11.560 um, trying to filter out some of the political BS and just sort of focus on, you know, the crux of

00:17:16.620 what it is they're trying to get him to do or not do, you know, depending on the day.

00:17:20.220 I was, um, I was interested in the part of the book where you're talking about AOC, that,

00:17:27.000 that, uh, Trump admires her. Uh, and this is really very, it's, you have to really understand

00:17:34.040 the context here, but he admires her and says, she's a Vita.

00:17:40.100 Ava Peron, a Vita. Yeah, it was, it was probably the most surprising moment in our interview. And

00:17:45.020 as, as a quick way of background, we were talking about populism and I was trying to understand from

00:17:51.040 the president, you know, philosophically, what does it mean to be a populist? And so I was asking him,

00:17:56.280 for instance, about, you know, AOC had proposed this tax on the ultra wealthy. And I was asking

00:18:02.680 him, you know, would, because there was polling showing at the time, you know, a whole body of

00:18:06.840 polling showing that this wasn't popular just among liberals, but actually there are a lot of blue

00:18:10.720 collar conservatives who don't mind at all this idea of a tax on the very, very wealthiest members

00:18:15.100 of society. So I was trying to get at that with, with the president and he was pretty evasive on that

00:18:20.240 question, but then unsolicited, he basically started writing a love letter to AOC and telling me how,

00:18:26.280 you know, on the one hand, he doesn't think she knows anything and that, you know, she's got a lot

00:18:29.860 of learning to do and that she's over her skis, but he was enamored of her. And, and he, you know,

00:18:36.060 I just reading between the lines, he did not say this verbatim, Glenn, but I could sort of tell that

00:18:41.040 Donald Trump, I think, sees in AOC a little bit of himself, which is to say that he sort of exposed

00:18:47.680 the old Republican establishment as kind of feeble and slow and incompetent and a little bit

00:18:54.020 complacent. And AOC has really begun to do the same thing to the Democratic establishment. And I think

00:18:58.400 he sort of tips his cap to her and recognizes the talent that she has in kind of overturning the old

00:19:04.020 order.

00:19:04.300 Right. And so it's not a love affair with her policies or anything else. He just, because I,

00:19:09.600 I think the same thing, she's effective until I saw the DNC polling numbers that they leaked out

00:19:15.940 about her where, you know, they have, uh, around 9% popularity in the country, which is pretty

00:19:21.460 astounding. Um, can we, can we go to the, the tick tock, if you will, of the access Hollywood crisis?

00:19:29.060 Sure. Tell the story of, of what happened that day.

00:19:34.360 Well, you know, the, the, the short version is that this is Friday morning in October. And on that

00:19:41.060 Sunday night, Trump was preparing to debate Hillary Clinton in St. Louis. It was their second

00:19:45.440 presidential debate. So they were holed up in the 25th floor in a conference room at Trump Tower. And

00:19:51.600 it's Donald Trump and Chris Christie at a table. Chris Christie is portraying Hillary Clinton in this

00:19:56.420 debate prep session and Reince Priebus, the chairman of the party, he's acting as the moderator and

00:20:01.640 the president's advisors and some of his family members are in the room and they're all kind of

00:20:05.940 offering some feedback. And one by one, everyone in the room starts to leave, which is pretty

00:20:11.320 unusual. And at one point, Reince Priebus looks up and he kind of scans the room and it's just the

00:20:15.920 three of them, he and Trump and Christie. And Priebus says to Trump, you know, when everybody leaves

00:20:20.300 the room at the same time, something's going on. And at that moment, Trump, who hadn't really

00:20:25.580 realized it either, he looks outside of the room and he can see through the plate glass doors

00:20:29.600 that all of his high command of the campaign is gathered, sort of whispering in hushed tones

00:20:35.080 just outside of the conference room. And Trump yells at them. He says, yeah, what the hell is

00:20:39.720 going on out there? And there is this long passing moment where nobody quite knows what's happening.

00:20:45.740 And finally, the door swings open and Hope Hicks, the communications director for the campaign,

00:20:49.440 she comes in, hands a stack of papers to Donald Trump. We know now that that stack of papers

00:20:54.200 was a printed out email exchange with the Washington Post reporter who had obtained

00:20:58.500 that Access Hollywood tape. And Trump is reading through the remarks and he suddenly stops very

00:21:05.380 abruptly when he sees some of the vulgar remarks. And he says, this doesn't sound like me. I don't

00:21:10.160 think this is me. And Reince Priebus is losing his mind at this point because he's saying,

00:21:13.640 what the hell is going on? Somebody please tell me something. So Trump gives the papers to Reince

00:21:18.120 Priebus. Priebus sees the same comments and he basically immediately says, this is fatal. I mean,

00:21:25.300 we're done. This is it. This is as bad as it gets. Really the only person in the room at that point

00:21:30.260 who thought that it wasn't lethal to the campaign was Jared Kushner. And he pipes up and says, you know,

00:21:35.700 I don't think it's all that bad. And everyone sort of rolled their eyes. But basically everyone

00:21:39.940 else in the room that day, from Steve Bannon to Dave Bossie, Kellyanne Conway,

00:21:44.140 the president's children, they all thought that this was it, that he was toast. And, you know,

00:21:51.020 did the president explain how he survived the weekend, essentially? Did the president feel

00:21:55.500 that he was toast or did he know I can I can get past this? You know, from everything my reporting

00:22:04.180 has told me, Glenn, that was the one moment in the campaign where he felt like that things were

00:22:10.780 probably that things were probably cooked, that that that he was already fighting a little bit

00:22:17.460 of an uphill battle, that, you know, he had professionalized the campaign a little bit and

00:22:22.680 surrounded himself with some really good people who are veterans and who had a lot of polling and,

00:22:26.760 you know, data analytics to show him that this was going to be really tough, that he'd really have

00:22:30.560 to pull off an inside straight. But they weren't pessimistic up until that point. I think that

00:22:34.800 weekend it did hit Trump that, you know, I probably am going to lose. But that made him all the more

00:22:39.220 defiant, frankly, he was going to lose on his terms, he wasn't going to be pushed out of the

00:22:42.560 race. So there's another piece here from the RNC colluding with Rubio's campaign and the South

00:22:48.560 Carolina GOP to stack the debate hall against Trump heading into that primary. And I remember that it

00:22:56.740 was it was quite a lively debate in South Carolina. But this is the same thing that the DNC was doing to

00:23:04.460 Bernie Sanders in favor of Hillary Clinton, is it not? Yeah, well, it's similar. I think the

00:23:10.240 difference is that, you know, Hillary Clinton was always looking at a coronation as the Democratic

00:23:17.120 Party's nominee. And obviously, there were some folks in the party establishment on that side who

00:23:21.700 were just sort of annoyed with Bernie Sanders and kind of viewed him as a pesk and wanted to get him

00:23:27.420 out of the way. Whereas on the Republican side, Donald Trump was becoming a runaway train after winning

00:23:32.820 the New Hampshire primary by nearly 20 points. Everyone in the party apparatus who had sort of

00:23:39.360 scoffed at Trump for the better part of the past year was suddenly coming to terms with the fact that

00:23:44.200 this guy was not only the frontrunner, but probably the prohibitive frontrunner, because he had placed

00:23:48.660 second in Iowa and then he had, you know, cleaned everyone's clock in New Hampshire. So there was this

00:23:53.260 reckoning, Glenn, after the New Hampshire primary, they had 10 days until South Carolina. And during that

00:23:59.120 period of time, I documented in the book, you had, you know, senior party officials reaching out to

00:24:05.400 top party consultants talking about trying to orchestrate some sort of 11th hour kind of pirate

00:24:10.640 operation to take down Trump. You had all kinds of talk about oppo leaks. You had Mark Short, who,

00:24:15.880 of course, now works in the White House, a very prominent White House official. But Mark Short at the

00:24:19.360 time was running the Koch brothers political network. And he went to Wichita and asked them for $10

00:24:24.380 million to take down Trump on Super Tuesday. Essentially, the fear among all of these folks

00:24:29.200 was that if he won South Carolina, he would then have such a head of steam heading into Super Tuesday

00:24:33.980 that this thing was going to be a runaway. And so what the RNC actually did, and that's Sean Spicer,

00:24:39.700 who, of course, became press secretary, Sean Spicer and Katie Walsh and some others inside the RNC,

00:24:44.440 they got together with the South Carolina Republican Party, the chairman of which is a guy named Matt Moore.

00:24:49.840 He did not like Trump. And they got together with the Rubio campaign and essentially they stacked

00:24:54.620 the debate hall with Rubio supporters who drowned out Trump in booze, basically everything he said

00:24:59.560 that night. Wow. Wow. How did how did Spicer end up on Trump's team? Well, how did any of these

00:25:07.220 people wind up? No, but I mean, he was working for the he was working against the president. Well,

00:25:14.420 I guess they all kind of were previous previous was as well. That's a stupid question. I retract that.

00:25:19.060 It's true. Throughout the book, that's a really that's a recurring thing where these people who

00:25:23.000 were very anti Trump during the campaign wind up with roles in the including Pompeo, which is

00:25:27.740 something I had never heard before from the book. Tim, can you go through Pompeo and can I take a

00:25:31.960 break and have you come back? Just let me take just take a break and then we'll come back in just a

00:25:36.600 second more. The name of the book is American Carnage on the front lines of the Republican Civil War and

00:25:42.140 the rise of President Trump. This is the best of the Glenn Beck program.

00:25:59.900 Hey, it's Glenn. And I want to tell you about something that you should either end your day with

00:26:03.840 or start your morning with. And that is the news and why it matters. If you like this show,

00:26:10.860 you're going to love the news and why it matters. It's a bunch of us that all get together at the

00:26:15.340 end of the day and just talk about the stories that matter to you and your life. The news and why

00:26:19.980 it matters. Look for it now wherever you download your favorite podcast. I want to spend some time

00:26:24.380 today on AOC and also another member of Congress, part of the squad. Stu is working on looking at

00:26:33.080 all of the the poll results that are coming out now leaked from the Democratic Party, which I find

00:26:38.800 fascinating. He'll give us a look at that coming up in a second. First, let me start with a story of

00:26:43.920 I like to call it the tale of two Ahmaads. Three weeks ago, the Minneapolis Star Tribune, hardly a

00:26:55.060 conservative publication, published a 2300 word story with updates about the Ilhan Omar scandal.

00:27:04.980 Nothing was said. Now see if this sounds like a big story to you. A current member of Congress may

00:27:12.220 have married her brother for immigration purposes and tax purposes and then lied about it. The same

00:27:19.960 member of Congress also clearly violated federal and state tax law. Now this sounds like a supermarket

00:27:26.240 headline, but it is. It's not. It's not coming from a conspiracy theorist website. No, no, no. It's

00:27:32.740 coming from the oh so credible Minneapolis Star Tribune. Now Omar and her representatives, the immunity

00:27:41.400 here is apparently off the charts because the mainstream media will not go near this story.

00:27:48.480 It's not that they don't care because they would care if it was anybody else. They are making a

00:27:53.900 conscious choice to stay away from this story because perhaps they're part of the squad.

00:28:01.640 But let me give you the headline from the Minneapolis Star Tribune. New documents revisit questions

00:28:08.040 about Representative Ilhan Omar's marriage history. Now when the story first surfaced in 2016

00:28:14.840 that she may have married her own brother to get around immigration laws, Omar called it baseless

00:28:22.460 rumors. It's just crazy internet stuff. But last month, as the state of Minnesota invested campaign

00:28:30.560 finance violations by Omar, it found that she had filed federal taxes in 2014 and 2015 with her current

00:28:39.260 husband, Ahmed Hersey, even though she was still legally married to a different Ahmed with the last name

00:28:47.260 of Elmi. So the two Ahmeds, and you're going to have to pay close attention here because there's two

00:28:53.900 Ahmeds. Remember there's Ahmed Hersey, her current husband, and Ahmed Elmi. Now let me walk you

00:29:04.640 through this. From this point, I'm just going to go with the last names of her two husbands, Hersey

00:29:09.880 and Elmi. Now this is how Omar's campaign orders her marriage timeline. Listen to this.

00:29:18.300 In 2002, when she was 19, Omar marries Hersey. That's her current husband. She marries Hersey.

00:29:29.060 According to the Star Tribune, they married in their faith tradition, those are in quotes, in Minnesota,

00:29:35.040 which means because it's the married in the faith tradition, they didn't file any paperwork,

00:29:40.800 so she wasn't officially married to him. Omar and Hersey proceed to have two children together

00:29:46.920 over the next six years, but then they decide to divorce. But remember, they were never officially

00:29:54.180 married. They just got a divorce in their fair faith tradition, not a legal divorce because they

00:30:02.240 weren't legally married. The following year, Omar now is 26, and she legally gets married to a different

00:30:10.180 child. So it was a quick rebound. And this one, she doesn't want to marry in her faith tradition.

00:30:21.380 She marries in the legal tradition. He's 23. She identifies him as a British citizen. Now,

00:30:29.220 according to the Star Tribune, Elmi's school records show he went to high school in St. Paul

00:30:34.320 and attended North Dakota State University. Two years later, in 2011, Omar and Elmi divorce in their

00:30:45.140 faith tradition. But I thought they were married not in their faith tradition. They were married in the

00:30:51.260 legal tradition. Well, whatever that is, they decide not to legally divorce. So in 2012, Omar gets back

00:31:01.400 together with her first sort of husband, Hersey, you know, the father of her two children. That year,

00:31:08.100 they have a third child together. So she just went off and married somebody else, but got a divorce in the

00:31:17.780 faith tradition, but not really a divorce. Goes back to her husband, who she had a faith divorce.

00:31:26.860 Following year, she gets elected to Minnesota State House of Representatives. Now remember,

00:31:36.660 in 2014 and 2015, Omar and Hersey, the faith tradition, husband, file joint tax returns, but they're still

00:31:48.560 not legally married. She was still legally married to Ahmed Elmi. So I guess it was just a clerical

00:31:56.700 error. The following year, she gets elected to the Minnesota State House of Representatives and her

00:32:02.680 campaign is plagued with allegations that Elmi is not just her, her lover and her husband, but instead

00:32:11.140 her brother that she married for immigration purposes. According to the Star Tribune, new documents reveal

00:32:19.720 efforts by Omar's campaign in 2016 and again in 2018, when she was elected to the U.S. House to keep her

00:32:27.000 marriage to Elmi out of the media. In 2016, Omar's campaign releases the names of six of Omar's siblings,

00:32:36.000 but only their first names and Ahmed Elmi is not on the list.

00:32:41.040 In 2017, while serving in the Minnesota House, Omar legally divorces Elmi.

00:32:51.520 But I think she's still married to Ahmed, the first one, right? Then there's a small matter of

00:32:58.940 possible perjury because in her divorce proceedings, Omar claims that she hasn't seen or made contact with

00:33:06.600 Elmi since 2011. That's under oath. Unfortunately, there are social media posts with photos of Omar and

00:33:16.720 Elmi together in London in 2014. Oops. That content was deleted after Omar began running for political

00:33:25.140 office. Now, the Star Tribune says it's been unable to independently obtain the original posts.

00:33:30.960 They say the Star Tribune is skeptical of the posts that are still viewable on what it calls

00:33:37.120 conservative activist sites like PJ Media. Well, that doesn't make any sense. You could easily find

00:33:44.260 out if that picture has been altered. In 2018, before she's elected to Congress, Omar finally legally

00:33:52.100 marries her husband, the first one, Hersey. Hopefully that she has the right Ahmed at the

00:34:00.940 marriage license. I don't know because the bloggers won't stop talking about it. They're so hateful.

00:34:06.580 The Star Tribune reports that their investigation could, quote, neither conclusively confirm nor

00:34:13.340 rebuke the allegation that Elmi is Omar's sibling. So it's a definite maybe.

00:34:23.700 Omar and Hersey still refuse to answer any questions about the Elmi situation. Elmi now seems to be in

00:34:30.340 Africa, according to social media posts. He's not talking either. But here's the thing. In a separate

00:34:36.940 investigation, the Washington Examiner viewed public documents, including 24 traffic violations and

00:34:44.100 misdemeanor charges against Hersey that list he and Ilan Omar's home address as being the same

00:34:51.820 residents from 2009 to 2011. So just to make sure you're totally clear on this,

00:34:58.600 she divorces her husband and the kids, then legally marries another man where they all move into the

00:35:06.960 same house. Okay. Now that contradicts Omar's claim that she was separated from Hersey during that

00:35:18.900 timeframe. According to the public documents, Omar and Hersey lived at the same address when she legally

00:35:27.300 was married to Elmi, which is weird, very awkward, but hey, Donald Trump hates people. So pay attention to that.

00:35:37.900 Finding out if Elmi is Omar's brother would seem like a pretty easy thing to figure out, but not when your family

00:35:48.080 immigrated to the U S from a war-torn country like Somalia that had a bad government record-keeping system.

00:35:55.260 There are no records of birth certificates, so we don't know. Omar won't answer the question about her

00:36:01.720 marriages, and she refused to make her tax and immigration records available to the Star Tribune or

00:36:06.740 any other outlet. Apparently, people who petition the U S government for a visa on behalf of a sibling

00:36:14.140 who is not a citizen may have to wait 12 or more years to get one, but applications for spouses

00:36:20.460 are processed much more quickly. Is this what Omar was doing for Elmi, if he is indeed a brother?

00:36:29.600 We still don't know for sure, but regardless of that, we don't know if they're siblings or not.

00:36:36.020 She still broke federal and state laws by filing taxes jointly with Hersey while being legally

00:36:42.080 married to Elmi in the same house. During a deposition before the campaign finance and public

00:36:48.340 discourse board last December, Omar said she was unaware that she violated tax law by filing joint

00:36:54.820 married returns with Hersey. She told the board board she couldn't remember amending her tax filing

00:36:59.900 to correct the problem either. You know how it is when you forget that you got married at that one

00:37:07.200 time to that other person who's still living in your house. Sometimes it can be very confusing

00:37:12.020 when you're trying to just figure out your taxes. Maybe if you're lucky enough to land on the ideology

00:37:19.960 and intersectionality charts in the same area as Ilan Omar, we're claiming ignorance before a state

00:37:26.880 board will get you off the hook. Maybe, maybe you'll someday be lucky enough to have that

00:37:33.440 intersectionality, but I doubt most of us will ever be so lucky.

00:37:43.840 You're listening to the best of the Glenn Beck program.

00:37:47.060 Hey, it's Glenn, and if you like what you hear on the program, you should check out Pat Gray Unleashed.

00:37:52.360 His podcast is available wherever you download your favorite podcast.

00:37:56.480 John Solomon is an award-winning investigative journalist. He is the executive vice president

00:38:00.760 at The Hill. He previously worked for the Associated Press, the Washington Post, and the Washington Times.

00:38:07.320 He is a guy who has been following this story about Joe Biden and his son from the beginning,

00:38:13.960 and he's getting blocked. But I want to start, John, with give a summary of what you're looking for

00:38:21.500 and what the story is for people who haven't been following it.

00:38:25.040 That's a great idea. Thanks, Glenn. So there is a pattern when Joe Biden was vice president of his

00:38:31.440 son, Hunter, kind of following in the vapor trail and cashing in on his father's official government

00:38:36.980 portfolio. 2013, Joe Biden goes to China for an official government trip. Hunter Biden goes on the

00:38:42.920 plane with him, comes back with a billion-dollar contract from Chinese officials.

00:38:46.620 That's crazy.

00:38:47.780 That's a big number. In 2014, Hunter Biden, who admits he has a long-running drug problem

00:38:54.200 and was kicked out of the Navy for testing positive for cocaine, he's in a kind of difficult

00:39:00.980 period of his life. He just got kicked out of the Navy. 2014, Joe Biden is named Obama's point

00:39:06.260 man for the crisis in Ukraine after the Russians invaded Crimea. What happens? Joe Biden gets working

00:39:11.440 in Ukraine. All of a sudden, Ukraine's largest natural gas company puts Hunter Biden on its board

00:39:16.620 and begins paying him hundreds of thousands of dollars a month, or at least his company

00:39:20.660 hundreds of thousands of dollars a month. He collects about $3 or $4 million himself, or his

00:39:26.480 company does, in the final two years of the Obama administration. So Hunter Biden, again,

00:39:31.000 cashing in on his father's government portfolio.

00:39:33.800 Well, now, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute. The gas and oil company might have

00:39:38.140 needed somebody who was directly out of rehab, had no gas or oil experience,

00:39:43.120 and couldn't speak the language. They may have been looking for somebody just like that.

00:39:47.640 Sounds like a good resume pitch.

00:39:49.540 It does. It does.

00:39:51.940 Yeah, I think you've got the suspicion right on its head. And we weren't alone, right? The Ukrainian

00:39:57.820 prosecutors, the General Prosecutor's Office of Ukraine, began to look into the fact, why is this

00:40:02.900 American, with no gas experience, but with lots of political connections, getting these millions of

00:40:07.140 dollars. And in late 2015, they were preparing to interview Hunter Biden. Why are you taking this

00:40:12.900 money? What's it being used for? What's the benefit to the Ukraine economy?

00:40:16.440 Stop. Stop for a second. Are you sure? Are you do you have the the proof that that is what they were

00:40:22.980 going to interview him about?

00:40:24.920 I do indeed. I've interviewed the prosecutor who actually was going to conduct the interview,

00:40:30.260 a guy named Shokin. And I have the official case file that the general prosecutors had

00:40:36.040 that showed or declared their interest in seeking to interview Joe Biden about the payments he was

00:40:41.880 receiving as an American board member. So that is not a dispute. And and recently Shokin gave the

00:40:49.440 same story to ABC News and confirm my earlier reporting to ABC News. So it's been given now and to

00:40:54.900 to clear media outlets that that was the case.

00:40:59.280 So Joe Biden then proceeds to force the Ukrainian president to fire this prosecutor.

00:41:07.920 And we know Biden did this because Biden bragged himself on a videotape. He did it. He said,

00:41:12.980 I told the Ukraine president, you don't fire that prosecutor. You don't get your billion dollars

00:41:17.120 in loan guarantees in March 2016. Well, Ukraine was on the brink of financial collapse. If the U.S.

00:41:22.840 had pulled that billion dollar in loan guarantees, it would have collapsed. And so it was a very

00:41:28.800 powerful threat by Joe Biden. And sure as heck, the prosecutor is fired by the president in March of

00:41:35.920 2016. Now, Joe Biden's story is I didn't know he was under investigation. And I certainly didn't fire

00:41:42.620 the prosecutor because my son was in some form of jeopardy. We want to test that theory because our

00:41:48.340 sources indicate that during this entire time while this was going on, Burisma and Hunter Biden and

00:41:53.840 others were having contacts with the U.S. government and possibly the State Department.

00:41:57.980 Makes sense. If you're an American overseas being investigated by a foreign power, you might turn to

00:42:02.440 your State Department to get help. That's that's what the State Department's there for. Those are the

00:42:06.560 documents we're seeking to test whether Joe Biden and Hunter Biden's story to the American public,

00:42:11.280 now that Joe Biden is running for president, is true and accurate. And we have reason to believe that

00:42:16.220 there are documents that show contacts between Hunter Biden, Burisma and others and their

00:42:21.840 representatives, including an American lobbying firm named Blue Star Strategies, that they were

00:42:29.260 having contacts with the State Department and letting the U.S. government know this prosecutor

00:42:33.160 was putting pressure on them. And that might have preceded Joe Biden's decision to get the prosecutor

00:42:38.820 fired. So that's why we're we're suing. And with the good help of the Southeastern Legal Foundation,

00:42:43.120 we now have a lawsuit in front of a federal judge and hopefully we'll get the American public some

00:42:47.820 transparency. When are they supposed to rule on this? How long will it take?

00:42:52.620 Well, my experience with FOIA lawsuits, they take anywhere from four months to a year. If you're

00:42:57.880 lucky, it'll be four months. If it's not, it'll be closer into the middle of the election year next

00:43:02.580 year. But whenever it comes out, I think it will be valuable information. And there are elements of

00:43:08.240 Joe Biden's public story that he's now crafted as a candidate for 2020 that simply don't match up to

00:43:13.940 the documents and facts that I have. And we want to we want to find out what the real truth is. So

00:43:18.280 whether it's a few months from now or the middle of the campaign next year, we're sticking with it.

00:43:22.580 We're going to get the truth. So you don't have I mean, you have a lot of loyalty to

00:43:27.240 the Clinton camp, the Biden camp, the Obama camp in the State Department and not a lot of loyalty to

00:43:34.740 anybody that wants to upset that. How confident are you that these these documents will still be

00:43:43.120 producible will be there that they're there? Yeah. Well, the good thing is that under the Federal

00:43:47.780 Records Act, most official government documents, Hillary Clinton's emails aside, because they're

00:43:53.040 on a private server, they get preserved and they get preserved in so many different ways. It's very

00:43:58.100 difficult to make them disappear. We have a pretty good sense that these documents do exist now.

00:44:03.340 I've had sources access some of them and give me a general sense of what is in them.

00:44:07.880 So we will be able to identify for the court if there's any shenanigans, what we believe these

00:44:13.480 documents were, the dates of them and what they are believed to say. My guess is that, you know,

00:44:18.880 the State Department wasn't prepared for me to go to court and try to compel this, much like the

00:44:23.920 State Department wasn't prepared to produce the document we found a few months ago, thanks to

00:44:28.040 Dave Bossie and Citizens United. We produced the famous document of the State Department meeting

00:44:33.420 with Christopher Steele one month before Election Day 2016. And of course, that document has become

00:44:38.660 so important to the Russia investigation that the IG report on Steele and FBI misconduct was delayed. So

00:44:45.140 sometimes these lawsuits work and you get real important information that changes the course of

00:44:50.740 history. And we hope to do that with this Ukraine document now.

00:44:54.220 How, what does that say to you that you through a tip could produce a document on this Russia

00:45:00.880 investigation that the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, the, the inspector general couldn't, couldn't find

00:45:10.040 or couldn't produce. What does that say?

00:45:11.880 It wasn't given. Well, it says two things. One, the Christopher Wray FBI, uh, is still in a game

00:45:17.220 of obstruction of trying to stop, uh, these reviews from finding the true conduct of the FBI for

00:45:23.760 whatever reason, whether it's sources and methods or otherwise, the FBI and the State Department both

00:45:29.040 possess these documents and, and neither one of them turned them over to any of the reviews. None of

00:45:34.360 the congressional reviews of house intelligence, Senate intelligence knew anything about the document

00:45:38.220 until we surfaced it. Uh, uh, we knew that from Devin Nunes, from, from others on the Senate side.

00:45:43.940 Uh, so what, what it does mean is you got to be thorough, right? You've got to use every lever of

00:45:48.720 power you have to try to force these bureaucrats to give up information that is rightfully the American

00:45:53.780 public. When, when you look at the document they withheld in the State Department, there was nothing

00:45:57.900 sensitive or classified about it. It was just simply embarrassing to the FBI and the State

00:46:02.640 Department. And they, they, they played a game of keep away, which doesn't benefit us all. And

00:46:07.000 I think this pattern of keep away with, particularly with Chris Ray at the helm of the FBI is becoming

00:46:11.780 more and more troubling. I think it's, uh, might've been one of the reasons why Attorney General Barr

00:46:17.420 made some comments recently that he wasn't getting the answers he intended to get in the Russia probe.

00:46:22.460 There is something going on between the Bureau and its overseers that, uh, is frustrating to those

00:46:27.920 trying to get to the truth. And what do you, how do you think all this ends? Do you think we,

00:46:32.000 I mean, we, we're headed for a place of real conflict, uh, with the truth and it's either all

00:46:40.740 going to come out or it's going to go deeper inside and it's going to become a real dangerous

00:46:46.200 infection. Which, which way are you think it's leaning?

00:46:49.640 I think, I think because of the good work of Bill Barr and the attorney general and his determined

00:46:55.680 nature to get to the bottom of this, I think we are going to get to the truth. And he's got a lot

00:47:00.060 of smart people around him that are providing him information. Devin Nunez, Mark Meadows, Jim Jordan,

00:47:05.240 people who went head to head with the FBI the last two years and kind of know where the bodies are

00:47:10.200 buried and where the truth still is being withheld. And I think, uh, the determination of Bill Barr will be

00:47:15.840 the winning factor for all of us getting the truth. I can tell you later today, I hope to report

00:47:20.780 a story that will, uh, hopefully put an end to this silly love affair that goes on and off between

00:47:26.500 the news media and Christopher Steele. And the last week we've had some stories come out suggesting,

00:47:30.980 Hey, maybe Christopher Steele was credible after all. He had a great interview with the IG and, uh,

00:47:35.860 and maybe we have it all wrong. Maybe this whole thing that Republicans are talking about that the

00:47:40.060 Russia case was flawed is just a ruse and he's going to turn out to be redeemed at the end of this.

00:47:45.180 I'm going to have a story today that I think will put a stake in the heart of those hopes. There's an FBI

00:47:49.720 spreadsheet that kept, uh, uh, uh, over under on each sentence in the Steele dossier. When you see

00:47:56.280 how far off the FBI found Christopher Steele's claims, you'll understand why that piece, that

00:48:01.960 dossier should never have been used as evidence in the support of a FISA. So we'll be breaking that

00:48:07.060 later today. Those sort of revelations make a big difference to getting the American people the truth.

00:48:11.900 One last question. And I know it's unfair because I doubt that you have done anything on it. I just

00:48:15.540 wanted your gut reaction on what is being said about Jeffrey Epstein, that there's the, there are

00:48:20.700 these rumors going around that, uh, he may have been an intelligence, uh, uh, officer or asset of some

00:48:29.420 sort. Yeah, I haven't seen, I've done some reporting on the Epstein case, particularly back in 08 or 09 when,

00:48:35.300 when the original deal was, was, uh, uh, consummated to get them off the hook. Uh, I have

00:48:41.240 never seen that. Now it is not uncommon, however, for businessmen who travel frequently to be contacted

00:48:46.800 by the CIA or the NSA or the DIA for information. Hey, you're on a travel. You met with these foreign

00:48:52.540 people. Uh, could you tell us and help your country what you found out? Is there anything

00:48:56.420 that we should know about? That's a very common practice, but there's a big step from going to that

00:49:01.580 and being somebody like a Christopher Steele that had a signed contract with the United States

00:49:06.240 government. I think the real, I think the real factor lies in the judgments that were made by

00:49:10.700 the justice department in the 08, 09 timeframe. John, thank you so much. And we'll look for your

00:49:15.540 report, uh, today. And, and, uh, of course, give us, uh, an update on, on whatever is happening

00:49:21.280 with, uh, your, your lawsuit, trying to get information out of the state department. Thank you so

00:49:26.460 much, John. Thank you very much. This is the best of the Glenn Beck program.

00:49:43.360 I saw Russell Crowe talking about you. You saw Russell Crowe talking about me. Are you watching,

00:49:50.000 uh, the loudest voice, the loudest voice, loudest voice? Yeah. The book is the loudest voice in the

00:49:56.180 room, right? And this is the, this, the Showtime series that they were all so excited about on the

00:50:01.100 left that no one is watching. Yeah. The first, it was pretty bad results for ratings. Uh, I think it

00:50:07.280 was the lowest mini series, lowest rating original series that they have ever put on the air. Yes.

00:50:15.140 So it's not, not, not working out so great so far. So it's just ever though it is. I would say,

00:50:19.760 you know, I mean, look, it's, it's very unfavorable to Roger Ailes, the guy who put Fox

00:50:24.640 news together. So that's what you watched it. I watched the first episode and I've bits and

00:50:29.300 pieces of the others. Okay. So I've, I've watched the first two episodes and bits and pieces of the

00:50:33.620 third. Um, I think I start to make an appearance next episode. Well, you kind of made your first

00:50:39.700 appearance in the most recent episode and just a bit piece. And I actually, they said one of the

00:50:44.760 nicest things I've ever heard anyone say about you in it. Uh, the, the scene basically is

00:50:50.520 they're trying to find a new host and they come in and they present you as a potential

00:50:55.320 host for Fox news. And Roger Ailes reacts to your photograph in a way. I, I thought it

00:51:01.740 was, I certainly nicer than most people talk about you. Here it is.

00:51:05.500 So yeah, uh, you look like an armadillo with a hairpiece, which is, I don't, I've never seen an

00:51:34.180 armadillo with a hairpiece. I have a pot. I put up a, maybe we could get this made. Can

00:51:38.840 we get it again? This made for social media and armadillo with a hairpiece and put it next

00:51:42.380 to Glenn, like a side by side, because I don't see it that much. And the funny thing

00:51:47.140 about you is you actually have your own hair, which most people, but I always think that

00:51:51.140 it looks like a hair piece. You used to say you were the only person with their real

00:51:54.580 hair that looks like they're wearing a hair piece. Yeah. That was because if I remember

00:51:57.860 correctly, you had blonde hair on the sides and gray hair on the top. Yes. So it didn't

00:52:02.540 look, I mean, most people, they have the gray hair on the sides come in first. I had

00:52:06.460 the gray hair on the top come in. So I looked like a reverse skunk and I hated it. I just

00:52:12.800 hated it. Uh, and then it all went white and I still hate it, but, uh, you know, but it

00:52:18.360 is yours, but it's mine. It's not a hairpiece. Yeah. It's all mine. Uh, now whether you're

00:52:22.740 part armadillo or not, I can't answer for that. Well, I, I did do the DNA test with 23 and

00:52:28.120 me. I did not see any armadillo in me. You did see Asian land bridge though. Yes,

00:52:32.420 I did. Easily an armadillo could have walked across that. Or rolled. Or rolled across.

00:52:35.880 Or rolled across. So you don't know. Uh, they did a reference the ratings success over at

00:52:41.760 CNN headline news, which was fun to hear. So what have you think, what have you thought

00:52:45.280 about this portrayal of Roger? Uh, I mean, it's very negative in that the part I, now I

00:52:51.700 have not seen a lot of the sexual abuse sort of stuff, which I know they get into later

00:52:56.380 on. So I saw part of, part of that, I think in this last one, maybe, and it's really ugly,

00:53:02.100 but it's like really ugly. Sure. But Russell Crowe does a pretty good Roger. Like, uh, he

00:53:06.820 does. I think he looks like him. He walks like him, walks just like him. Yeah. And it was,

00:53:12.700 and, and, you know, they're trying to make him sound, they're trying to make him sound like

00:53:16.440 some horrible, horrible human being on his political stuff. But there's, there's stuff where

00:53:21.980 like, he's up with, uh, Rupert Bardock and he's like, I'm telling you, this guy is a Marxist.

00:53:27.700 Oh, Roger, stop it. Stop it. I'm telling you he's a Marxist. Well, I'm like, yeah, right.

00:53:35.580 There's a lot of stuff in there that's really, really bad, but there's, there's also some of

00:53:40.540 the stuff that they're putting out there going, see, look what I hate monger. He is. And I'm like,

00:53:44.600 no, he, he was right. And at some level, I think also in the book and they, they do give him

00:53:50.220 credit for being a visionary. I mean, there's no question about it. He figured out things.

00:53:54.780 Yeah. You'll see the genius. I mean, one of the things they tried to make it look bad was he said,

00:53:58.940 we're going to give the American people, the America they want to believe in as well as the

00:54:07.760 America as it truly is. Well, what's wrong with that? It's an aspirational look, we're going to

00:54:15.620 tell you, we can, we are these people and we can achieve this kind of greatness, but here we are

00:54:21.840 today. This is what we're doing today. That's just having a positive attitude as I read it.

00:54:27.000 Yeah. I mean, they're going to say he's lying, right? He's saying the, the, the, the, the,

00:54:31.180 they want it to be is the America where, you know, immigrants are ruining their lives and it's not

00:54:37.380 their fault. And it sucks. You know, nobody wants that. If you want that, who'd watch that day and

00:54:44.720 day? Just ask the four people that are remaining watching CNN, right? You know, nobody wants to be

00:54:51.360 told they suck all the time. You can be told, Hey, we suck right now, but we don't have to suck

00:54:58.080 because we got a bright future in front of us. There's nothing wrong with that.

00:55:02.100 No. I mean, that's, that's a positive. It's interesting to see that. And they go into,

00:55:05.640 you are going to have a meeting with Roger Ailes, I guess in the next episode, or at least

00:55:09.140 they're going to. I don't think they do that. I don't know if they're going to go into that

00:55:11.180 much detail. The meeting with Roger was, I had three meetings, didn't I? I can't remember how

00:55:18.640 many there were. I can't remember. I remember, I only remember really the last one. We had three

00:55:23.360 meetings and the first one, he was just like, Hey, just wanted to get to know you, blah, blah,

00:55:27.600 blah, and didn't, you know, didn't talk about a job or anything else. And then, um, and then we had

00:55:33.540 another meeting where they had started talking about a job and I had said, no, I'm not interested,

00:55:38.460 but I'll meet with you. And, uh, so I, I met with him and, uh, I made the mistake of saying that I

00:55:48.700 read his Wikipedia page. And he said, the first thing he said was, Oh, great. We've got a genius

00:55:57.640 that thinks Wikipedia is reliable. And I was like, Oh boy. Uh, and then he asked me, he sat down,

00:56:06.080 didn't say anything. And I'm just trying to, you know, Hey, so not nice restaurant, huh? And, uh,

00:56:12.560 he's sitting there and he said, uh, the television is on behind him. And he looked up to, I think Bill

00:56:20.780 Shine, who was at the table. And he said, she's not smiling. Is she? And Bill looks up at the TV

00:56:28.440 monitor behind Ailes and says, no, she's not. He said, you can hear it. Tell her to GD smile.

00:56:37.120 And it was, and I was like, Holy mother, what am I doing? Uh, because I mean, you're talking

00:56:43.700 about going on and you could barely read, let alone. Yeah. No, I mean, smile, I don't do

00:56:49.060 television. You know, he doesn't understand. No, that, that was my first job. I've never even done

00:56:53.980 live television before. Right. Okay. Uh, and he says, uh, now in our, in our first meeting,

00:56:59.680 he says to me, you're the most talented television performer since Jack Parr. Now that means something

00:57:07.740 to me, maybe it won't mean something to most people, but Jack Parr started the tonight show

00:57:12.500 and he was a storyteller. And he's like, you have, you're the most talented since Jack

00:57:16.760 Parr. Now this meeting, none of that was, uh, around. He was not remembering any of that

00:57:23.940 stuff, you know, now that he started to actually think about negotiating with you, he can no longer

00:57:28.420 give you broad compliments. And so he said to me, so he said, you know, tell her to smile.

00:57:35.080 And then he just looks down his menu and nobody says anything for at least, it felt like an hour,

00:57:40.120 but it was probably about a minute. And, uh, then he looks up over his glasses, over his menu,

00:57:45.400 over his glasses. And, uh, he's pretending to see what, you know, he's going to eat. Maybe he really

00:57:50.500 is, but, uh, he looks up over his glasses and he says, tell me what you thought about the 1972

00:57:57.460 China-Nixon treaty. And, and I was like, uh, don't, you know what, Roger, I'm, I'm not.

00:58:08.400 Is that the one Forrest Gump was at?

00:58:09.760 Yeah, I know. I thought of some really funny things and I didn't think he would laugh. And

00:58:13.960 I said, uh, you know, Roger, I'm, I'm not up on the 72 treaty. Um, sorry. Oh, he looks back down

00:58:22.220 his menu. Then he looks up about, it seemed like another hour. And then he looks up again

00:58:28.220 and he said, well, tell me about, tell me about Eisenhower. What were your thoughts of

00:58:36.100 the policies of the Eisenhower administration? And I hadn't written, you know, I hadn't read

00:58:43.140 anything about Eisenhower at the time. And I'm like, I, I, I, and I looked at him and I,

00:58:48.100 I smiled and I said, you know, Roger, I could go one of two ways here. I could bluff, but I

00:58:58.360 have a feeling you're way too sharp to bluff. Or I could possibly end this interview right

00:59:07.180 now by saying, I got no idea. Not my area of expertise. I think I'm going with that one.

00:59:17.940 He went, Hmm. Then he didn't speak to me until the food arrived. Okay.

00:59:25.760 So you sat there in silence from the order time in silence. Then he said to me, you're one of those

00:59:31.380 Mormons. I thought, Oh God, it's a good meeting. Yeah. This is going really well. And I said,

00:59:37.080 yes, I am. And he said, what was so wrong with the GD Catholic church that you had to leave the

00:59:44.540 church? And I thought, Oh my gosh, I don't know what to even do here. And I said, well, you know,

00:59:53.380 and I talked to him and then he just kept asking me question, hard question after hard question.

00:59:58.220 I realized about 90 minutes into it when I had lost about 10 pounds of sweat, I realized

01:00:06.560 he is only throwing me up against an electric fence to see how I react. All he's doing is how are you?

01:00:14.300 Cause you're going to go on. I've been watching you. You're going to go on and you're going to say

01:00:19.340 the things that you believe. And you're going to, you're going to be strapped to an electric chair.

01:00:24.180 How do you handle it? Now he never said that to me, but that's what I was figuring towards the end.

01:00:31.420 Um, and I don't remember what the last question was, but it was two hours of just nonstop grilling,

01:00:37.640 no niceties at all. And the two people that were also at the table, they weren't helping me

01:00:43.400 cause they were like, you know, that Roger had obviously said, stay still. And he just,

01:00:49.540 he just took me on for two solid hours. And, uh, so he said, you want any dessert? And I'm like,

01:00:56.500 no, I think I'm good. I really, I never pass up dessert, but I'm good. And I put the fork down and,

01:01:04.900 and, uh, get up and I put my coat on and, uh, he didn't say anything. He puts his coat on and he

01:01:10.420 comes up to me and he puts his hand on my shoulder and he puts his hand out and he said,

01:01:15.920 it was really nice sitting, talking to you. And I didn't know what to say. And I was like,

01:01:21.140 oh no, this has been great. And he said, it's extraordinarily rare to meet a man who has the

01:01:29.380 balls to say what he really believes. And even more so to admit what he doesn't know.

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