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On this episode of the Glenn Beck Show, host Glenn Beck is joined by Tim Ballard, CEO of the Nazarene Fund, and Arthur Brooks, Director of the American Enterprise Institute, to talk about the immigration crisis on the southern border.
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We start with Tim Ballard, who talks about the border in a way that I think we have to talk about.
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We have to talk about the human cost of what's happening on the border,
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Unfortunately, it was the House of Representatives, and they shut him down and wouldn't let him.
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They call him to testify and then not let him tell them the truth.
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and we talk about the different things that are going on
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and the opportunities that we have now that socialism is really starting to rear its ugly head.
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Comments on Notre Dame, Andrew Heaton is in trouble,
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and cat lovers, just miserable people, according to a study.
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So yesterday I received an op-ed from a friend.
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We wanted to publish it, so it's up on the blaze now.
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Our friend is Tim Ballard, who is the CEO or chairman, or I don't remember what you are,
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the CEO of the Nazarene Fund, and also are you the CEO of Operation Underground Railroad?
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The first two paragraphs are stunning for entirely different reasons.
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A couple of weeks ago, I was called to testify before a subcommittee of the House Homeland Security Committee.
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As former Homeland Security special agent undercover operator, I worked child trafficking cases for over a decade along the southern border.
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I was there to testify about the sex trafficking threat that awaits vulnerable migrant children being brought into the United States.
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Shortly after I began my testimony, the chairwoman of the committee, politely but firmly,
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let me know that my testimony was irrelevant for this particular hearing, as this hearing was about the U.S. government's policy of separating undocumented families on the borders and not about child trafficking.
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As it is against hearing procedure for a witness to provide unsolicited comments to the members of the committee,
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I had to sit there in silence, yet with full knowledge that the chairwoman was wrong.
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It's killing me because it's these trafficking events are happening in so many places and we're trying to wake the nations of the world up to the fact that it is happening.
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It's the fastest growing criminal enterprise on the planet.
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And yet, when it's right before us, and I'm there before the people who can change it, and I'm told...
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Tell me, the numbers are staggering on what's happening on our border.
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I mean, the amount of people, just the people coming across, record-breaking, undocumented migrants coming across into the United States.
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But the part that's not being reported, because in the 90s and in the 2000s, it was adult males looking for work, crossing the border.
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There's been over a 300% increase since 2017 alone.
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And children being brought across the border who don't belong to the adult who has them.
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So we said, when Congress was saying, we can't hold children, I immediately got on the air and said, that is the worst thing that could happen.
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That's the worst thing that could happen, because grab a child and you're good.
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The child is now the get-out-of-jail-free card for smugglers, for traffickers.
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They're surrendering themselves and say, look, I have a child in my hand.
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I sat in hearings with the CBP commissioner who's saying, help us.
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You are forcing us to turn these children over to whoever comes to get them.
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And we have 20 days to vet people coming and saying, hello.
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Little Isabel, six-year-old that you have in custody, is my niece.
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You know, in contrast, you know, I adopted two children recently from Haiti.
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I've had three, you know, top secret clearances in my lifetime.
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I'm the one who liberated those children in the first place.
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And yet, I happily submitted myself and my wife and my family to an investigation to make sure we were well-suited to take care of children.
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And Congress is giving our Cubs and Border officials 20 days or less to vet whoever shows up for these children.
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And, oh, sure, they have to sign a document, right, that says, I will not hurt this child.
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And then it says, a court date, you must bring this child back for either a deportation or asylum hearing on this date.
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66% of those kids never are brought back for court.
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So there are two scenarios that are happening with the kids.
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One is they are just used and passed back and forth on the border, right?
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They're the get-out-of-jail-free card, basically.
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Children are being used as long as you have these kids.
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And by the way, where are these kids coming from?
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The separation of families isn't happening necessarily at the border.
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It's happening well before they get to the border.
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And that's the thing we're not seeing as a nation.
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And so these kids are basically, the smugglers control all the routes, first of all.
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You can't get in the country unless you go through a smuggler.
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It's not too hard to kidnap children in Guatemala or Honduras or Central America.
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And they take these kids, and they pair them with their clients,
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their clients being the people who want to be smuggled in.
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And say, take this child, pretend this child is your child,
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Because they have to let you out because the law of the United States,
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backed by recent court decisions, forces CBP officials to release you within 20 days
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That's the best case for these children who are being used this way.
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And of course, the worst case is the smugglers say,
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and we have the New York Times even about a month ago had a story,
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several stories about how smugglers take these clients and decide,
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geez, I can make a lot more money with them if I just sell them for sex.
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Or they use them, they rape them and get their money out of them
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And so it's very easy to imagine a criminal organization that are smuggling people,
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We are the top demand for child sex in the world.
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So now we've set things up and all using our laws, right?
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So now if you can imagine this, all a trafficker needs to do if you get into their mind
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And I mean, I saw a video, I don't know if you saw this video a few months ago,
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of dropping the kids over the wall, over the fence, just dropping them.
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And then they know, you know, Border Patrol will come get them and get them into safety.
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Well, then they just call their friends up in the traffickers,
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And I couldn't get a word in edgewise when I was called to testify on that very subject.
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1,700 children in the last 12 months, 1,700 children have had the guts to say,
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How many kids are not brave enough to say that?
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How many kids have been told your family's in danger, your family's dead, whatever it is.
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How many children have the guts and the wherewithal to see a guy, an American with a badge,
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And the amount of people coming across, hundreds of thousands.
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Just this year, I think we're close to half a million.
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And you've met some of our survivors, Glenn, who came in as undocumented migrant children
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and were raped, and this is not an exaggeration, over 20,000 times before we finally pulled
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them out of New York City or L.A. or wherever they're being held.
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Again, the fastest growing criminal enterprise on the planet is human trafficking.
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And the United States is the number one demand for child sex.
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And the traffickers are laughing all the way because our laws are actually facilitating
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And these are the things you need to ask your senator and congressman and the president to
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We are thrilled to have Arthur Brooks, president of the American Enterprise Institute, at least
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He's leaving the organization that he started, and he's going to become a professor at Harvard.
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So we have to start with a very long time lie we've been living.
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Stu and I both have a very difficult time, and we just, for our friendship's sake, we want
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Yeah, so two years ago, I was at sort of a camp thing for lots and lots of guys, and
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we were all hanging around, and I looked over to my left around a campfire, and there was
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sitting Albert Brooks, you know, the film director, the comedian.
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And I looked at him, and I said, you're Albert Brooks.
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People have been calling me Albert Brooks since I was a kid.
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He said, since I was a kid, because you're so famous.
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And he looks at me, he doesn't crack a smile, and he says, imagine how Adam Hitler felt.
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So if we call you Albert, it's just, it's all good.
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Every time we talk to you, we look at each other like, Arthur, Arthur, Arthur, Arthur.
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I don't even like, I mean, Albert Brooks is fine, he's funny, but it's not like I'm a
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And what happened is he changed it to Albert Brooks, because you're not going to go into
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You should change your name to Albert Einstein.
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So, Arthur, you have a new documentary out, and I have seen it, and it is really good.
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You are, you know, we were talking the other day about Buttigieg, and he is the, he's playing
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I don't know anything about him other than, you know, what you read about.
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And he seems like a really nice, normal guy, a guy who comes out and says, yeah, I'm gay.
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And it's a guy who's coming out now and saying, you know, I don't hate everybody that you're
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It generally does, particularly after a period of hate and polarization.
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The reason that that actually can work right now is because 93% of Americans say they hate
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And every single person listening to us right now loves somebody with whom they disagree
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But there's a class that's getting rich and powerful and famous, largely in politics and
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in media and on campuses, saying you got to hate people who you disagree with, that they're
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You know, in this movie you talked about, in The Pursuit, in this movie, you know, we
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sit down with people who call themselves democratic socialists.
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I think I have better ways to get at their objectives.
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But their objectives aren't wrong, and most people know that.
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And so Pete Buttigieg and a few other people are actually going to, they're trying to rage
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against the contempt machine in this country by saying, you want something better.
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Will it even get past the people who are making an awful lot of money on hate and
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I don't claim to have all the answers, but the answers that I've found have truly changed
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I think that the suspicion that people have about capitalism comes because they think people
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like me don't believe in morals and they don't believe in any regulation at all.
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People in the wealthiest countries in the world are increasingly turning against the very
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If India had not adopted economic reforms, there would be 375 million poor people more
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Whatever we got to do to get the American dream honestly, then that's what we're going
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The American dream is always predicated on you work hard, you get the right grades, you
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The real poverty exists when a young man or a young woman grows up with no dream.
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Two billion people have been pulled out of starvation level poverty.
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Everyone wants a happy life, do not want suffering.
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You are showing genuine interest, not only money matter, but more wider perspective.
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The point of the American experience is a moral consensus that our society should push
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opportunity to the people who need it the most.
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Here's why Arthur Brooks is even more talented than Albert Brooks.
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He, if you watch that, you are the only person that believes in the free market that I have
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You are on stage with a French horn, and it says in the trailer, a musician.
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And you are able to break through to the other side.
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There's images of you with briefing President Obama.
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You are able to get in to places that most conservatives or most constitutionalist and strict
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libertarian, real liberals, classic liberals, can't go, nor care to go.
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Um, and you have all of the imagery that you need to be able to break the, the divide.
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And that's why, how, how a movie can really change people's conversations in a big way.
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You know, one of the things I was trying to do in this film, and what I've been trying
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to do with my career, by the way, is to get to the places where conservative, traditional
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conservatives don't get to go and have the conversations they don't typically have.
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Not just because I'm going to convince people on the other side, because I want people who
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are persuadable, who are watching the conversation to say, huh, you know, there, I saw a guy
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who's got free market views, who believes in, in, in, in conservative ideas.
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Because he wants to lift people up from the margins.
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And he was having a conversation with, with iconic figures from the other side and no
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horns, no anger, no, no vitriol, no contempt, no hatred, no disrespect.
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And, and if we want to win the country for a better set of ideas so that we can have more
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solidarity and brotherhood and happiness and love in this country, we need to go.
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We need to say the things that people have not heard before.
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We need to share with everybody is the bottom line.
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Glenn, you've been, you've been trying to do this too.
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You know, you, you, you want to talk to everybody.
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I mean, when, when I look at, you know, the, what, what the charity is doing, I mean, I saw
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the, I saw the trailer for your charity yesterday at the Dallas film festival where the, where
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I mean, there's no way that somebody's going to say, oh, it's Glenn Beck, the conservative
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They would say, this is an organization dedicated to ending slavery around the world, to lifting
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Conservatives lose arguments because they go in with guns blazing saying, here's what I'm
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And if you disagree with me, you're stupid and evil.
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What was the candidate that said, uh, I think it was Beto that Americans are against the,
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You know, we're against an awful lot of stuff, but who's out there talking about, you know,
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I've always thought of, please forgive my ignorance.
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I was a, I was a dummy up until I hit thirties.
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No, you at least, you at least could play a horn.
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Uh, so, uh, uh, but I've always thought of India as a capitalist system and, you know,
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watching your documentary and I'm like, oh my gosh, no, no, it wasn't.
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It was the furthest thing from a capitalist free market system.
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There's a Soviet planned economy until, until the early 1990s.
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And since they've abandoned that, we've seen a massive change.
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It has one of the highest growth rates in the world.
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You know, you go to India, growth rates in, in the world and the great growth rates and
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When you go there, you find that 375 million Indians have been pulled out of abject starvation
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And they're among the 2 billion that have been pulled out of poverty because of the free
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enterprise system, because of the American system of globalization and free trade, property
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rights, all this stuff that we take for granted, the culture of upward mobility.
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And the culture of now making something yourself, doing something, starting something small.
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And now with the tools of the internet, being able to sell it anywhere in the world.
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I was struck in the documentary of, of, of, it, it almost felt like New York must've felt
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And it's a point that I make in the film, because if you look at the footage of, of,
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of, of New York, you say the, you know, the garment industry, for example, the, the,
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you know, Lori side of Manhattan in 1910, it looks just like slums in India do today.
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The truth is that people live a lot better in this, in slums in India than they did in
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New York in 1910, because they have healthcare and their kids go to school and they have
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And what that brings home to me, and it's controversial to say, but I honestly believe
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that is that those people living in slums are in, in India, they're us separated by time.
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And, and, and if we can't, if we can't look at these people around the world and, and,
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and see our, our, ourselves in them, what's wrong with us?
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Look, you know, the Beck's were scratching out potatoes in Ireland a few generations ago.
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And that's what we need to spread and change the world with are these ideals.
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Hans Rosling makes this point in factfulness, which is his first time I ever thought of
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These are countries that are coming along at a lot of times accelerated paces than, than what
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more accelerated paces than what we did, but they are just a little bit behind.
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All these incredible improvements in the, in the places that have implemented some basic
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And that's, that's a, that's a glorious miracle.
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And since capitalism has started to spread around the world and capitalism gets a bad name
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because it sort of means everything and nothing.
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But what we're talking about is the free enterprise system bounded with appropriate regulation and
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basic human morality has, has alleviated 80% of starvation level of poverty since I was
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Most 70% of Americans think that hunger has gotten worse.
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I mean, there's, it's, it's the greatest humanitarian achievement in the history of the human race.
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And it's happened since Glenn Beck and Arthur Brooks were kids.
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And the reason is not just to be done, not just to cry victory.
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It's because we need the next 2 billion of our brothers and sisters.
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They're out there and they need us and charity.
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Maybe it'll get us to heaven, but you got to have a system that works while you sleep.
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Not because it's good for business, not because it makes us rich, but because that's what will
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alleviate suffering will help us to serve others, which we need and which will allow everybody
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to earn the success, which is the expression of the radical equality of human dignity,
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Why are you going, why are you going away from the American enterprise?
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In the past 10 years, we had phenomenal growth.
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We've had a big impact and we've stayed in the world of ideas as opposed to getting dragged
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And I know when you stay much more than 10 years in a place like AEI as president of
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a think tank, it's not the best things don't happen.
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Part of it is because you start losing energy and it's so it's, and also you get too identified
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So I say, you know, I prayed about it for a long time.
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And, uh, and, and I was an academic before I taught at Syracuse for a long time and I resigned
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And I about, I heard from about 10 universities, some other things too.
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You know, to, and, and a university is a really good thing because it provides an opportunity
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And the, the really incredible thing from Harvard is that Harvard called and said, we want you
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And they said, because you think differently and we want to shake things up.
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Is it going to be, is it going to be resistance to my ideas?
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You know, that's the, the, when you're in the mission field, when you're in the mission
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field, you don't want to go where everybody's already converted.
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So Arthur, I think is a very aspirational guy and, and I love him and I, I love what
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he's done with the American air prize Institute.
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I think he'll make a huge impact at Harvard as well.
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I think he is, um, well, let me put it this way.
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I hope he's right that we're a million miles away from Stalin, but we are walking towards
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Stalin, uh, and some are running towards Stalin.
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And nobody is talking about rounding anybody up.
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Again, if, if, if you don't want to get to a destination, it's best not to go down the
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So if you're only taking a short drive down the road of socialism, it's scary because I
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mean, the closer you get to those things, you're increasing government power, which allows
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the government to overwhelm all of the positives.
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It is difficult and it's, it's, it's a tough line.
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It's a tough line to draw because there are times where, you know, like the, the great
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that has come out of the free market, the people who oppose it and oftentimes oppose
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It might be the right thing to do, but it's a hard thing to do to not just see that as
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people, you know, it's, it's an activity that is against human achievement, human, uh, prosperity.
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And it's, and many times it's completely dishonest.
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It was very, very hard for me to hold my temper yesterday.
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Uh, after I saw what Newsweek and others did, uh, to my words on the program, the news and
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As it was burning down, we were receiving tweets that said, Glenn, you predicted this because
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in 2015, I had said, if you want to see places like Notre Dame, you got to go because you're
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going to go to Paris and maybe in the next 15 years, and that thing will be burnt to the
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Well, I was talking about a threat from Islamic terrorism at the time in 2015.
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Four people were arrested trying to destroy, uh, uh, Notre Dame in that same year, ISIS came
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out and said that it was their number one target in Europe.
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And then the next year they, they arrested four people that had a car bomb headed towards
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Um, so while this is happening on screen, we're getting emails from people, people on
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my staff are coming in and going, Glenn, this is exactly what you talked about.
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And I said off the air, no, no, no, we don't know.
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But I said it off the air first, then I get on the air.
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Now I want you to listen carefully and Stu, do me a favor, write down the key things that
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you hear me say, because I'm going to show you how the media took it and what the media,
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Washington Post, everybody else, what they did to this, I think, very logical, reasonable
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President Macron has just come out and said, it looks like we may not be able to save it.
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We know that there was a mass, uh, renovation that was going on.
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Uh, and, uh, and probably next to the Eiffel Tower, the most iconic building in all of France,
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This is the site of the, uh, this is so wildly important to, uh, France as an image.
00:31:59.660
Um, also like really serious archives are held there.
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I mean, they're going to lose all sorts of, you know, art and archives that they couldn't, you're never going to be able to recreate.
00:32:10.440
I mean, uh, just the, just the, just the, the Rose, um, stained glass window is irreplaceable.
00:32:18.340
Um, if this was arson, uh, this is going to be bad.
00:32:26.320
If this was arson of any foreign, uh, kind of, um, any foreign entity, any, anybody with a grudge, um, I think if, if, and this is a huge if, it might have just been started by a cigarette we don't know.
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But, um, if this was starting, started by Islamists, I don't think you'll find out about it.
00:32:51.540
Um, because I think it would set the entire country on fire.
00:32:55.440
They've had killings, they've had mass shootings, they've had people running people down in the streets.
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You take away, this would be like us burning, what, our White House?
00:33:07.700
I mean, what, what is, what is iconic like this?
00:33:17.320
Um, and if this was done by terrorists, uh, I, I think that, uh, they will keep it quiet because I just don't think Macron and France wants that internal fight.
00:33:32.760
Um, if this was done by somebody who was disgruntled with the government, et cetera, like the Yellow Vests.
00:33:38.860
You know, they did say this weekend that the police can put bullets in their guns and they can shoot to kill the Yellow Vests.
00:33:52.000
Uh, the world has lost a major, major piece of history today.
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I mean, I think obviously iconic buildings falling was what you were talking about.
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It's funny because the way the spire fell, what it reminded me of in that moment was the Saddam Hussein statue falling.
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And at no point did I think there was an, uh, an invading force that was trying to liberate Notre Dame, right?
00:34:22.860
So, I mean, you know, I thought with the smoke and the way it collapsed and not, not just the way it collapsed.
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This is, you know, our image of financial impenetrable stability was taken down because it's Wall Street.
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But it had the, in some ways, Wall Street has the soul of the capitalist nation.
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So the same thing, when I'm saying this, this, I keep saying it's the heart of France.
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It's more important than the Eiffel Tower to the French.
00:35:20.440
And so what I was saying with 9-11, it's their 9-11.
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Now, remember, our 9-11, we didn't know who did it.
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On 9-12, which was there yesterday, okay, what did they do?
00:35:55.920
Now, if they find out that somebody did this, they will respond as we did.
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But it looks like, and I said, you know, it's amazing.
00:36:08.320
If it's arson from a foreign entity, it's worse.
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We know it could be, they say now it could be a cigarette.
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So if it's a cigarette, but a huge if is if it's Islamic terrorists, you won't hear about it.
00:36:31.100
Yeah, I mean, that's all the stuff that I wrote down, basically.
00:36:34.140
I mean, the fact that the first thing that you mentioned as a possible cause was a mass renovation, period.
00:36:38.860
That was the first thing you talked about, number one.
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And that was about where we were on the reporting.
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We didn't know what the case was at that point.
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And in addition to that, they the one thing that was suggested as a possibility was the mass renovation.
00:36:52.960
Now, of course, if you had come out, let's just say you had come out and said, hey, guys, you know what happened was I'm I believe this was Islamists.
00:37:07.720
However, as you point out, they have done this.
00:37:11.420
They have attacked this exact building multiple times in the past couple of years.
00:37:15.900
It was the number one target of ISIS in Europe.
00:37:18.820
So it would not have been insane to think that was true, though.
00:37:22.540
You didn't think of it as the number one possibility.
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You said it was mass renovation was the number one possibility.
00:37:27.920
You could have said it could have been the yellow vests, which is, you know, again, none of that ever gets mentioned in any of the tweets about it.
00:37:37.640
There's there's a line about when you're doing a show like this and you're you know, we're talking off the top of our show.
00:37:43.660
There's one where you could actually say something wrong.
00:37:46.380
You can legitimately say something that you screwed up and you're going to get a beating for it.
00:37:50.220
And you understand that it's happened with you.
00:37:52.160
You said things where you're like, I wish I said that another way.
00:37:54.680
And you take the beating and you're like, this is what I meant.
00:37:56.760
But, you know, you know, you're on the wrong side of it or you can understand how I don't take a word of that back.
00:38:03.140
The other standard, which is the standard applied on social media and by, you know, left wing organizations that are whose sad lives are filled with listening to your programs over and over again to try to find something they can use against you is is different.
00:38:16.160
It's it's can did we say something that someone can act as if they believe was bad?
00:38:23.560
Can they act as if they believe what you meant was terrible?
00:38:28.240
Like I know, you know, doing the show with you, you said you talked about I don't think if it's Islamic extremists, you might not even find out about it because.
00:38:39.540
Right. Exactly. The reason you said that and you explained it, of course, was that you there's so much internal strife there right now that if something came out about that, it could cause a real inflammation of the whole society.
00:38:53.080
Right. And did I attach a good thing or a bad thing to that?
00:38:57.100
How do you not finding out? Did I say that was good that you wouldn't find out or bad that you would find out that you wouldn't find out?
00:39:03.740
Yeah, I was saying it will cause massive problems.
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And I don't think anybody in France wants that.
00:39:12.540
That could be that could be the catalyst that sets it on fire.
00:39:16.680
So before Newsweek and everybody I was trending nationally yesterday.
00:39:26.200
Before that, I had Jason on our chief researcher who I had put up and said, stay up all night.
00:39:32.860
I want you to find out everything you can look for the conspiracy theory so we can debunk them right away.
00:39:38.720
Find out what you can talk about it on the air.
00:39:43.900
Then yesterday I said, this may be a blessing because it takes that iconic thing away, which would absolutely start a religious war.
00:40:05.100
But I think how how how well instead what they say is when you say, well, you might not find out about it.
00:40:11.840
What they again, I don't they don't believe this, but what they're trying to make their I was going to say Arthur Brooks is in my head.
00:40:18.740
So I'm not going to say dumb people who visit their websites, but the people who visit their websites, what they're trying to make them believe is that what you're saying is if you hear it's construction, they're lying, which is not at all what you were saying.
00:40:36.440
No, you were saying something completely different, which you just explained.
00:40:39.860
But again, the the goal of these organizations is not to find an example of you saying something wrong.
00:40:47.660
It's something that they is something that they can plausibly act like they believe was wrong.
00:40:56.460
You take a statement and you act as if, well, that is their entire viewpoint on this.
00:41:01.820
And I can make them look dumb if I tweet this and act like I don't think they know anything else about the topic.
00:41:06.320
That's a terrible instinct that I think gets drawn out of social media and click farms and click bait farms.
00:41:11.440
But I mean, it is these organizations are out there specifically to do this.
00:41:14.660
And, you know, as Arthur pointed out, some of that is a blessing.
00:41:18.420
Like, you know, we could easily just be ignored for every everything that we say.
00:41:21.980
The fact that these people are up all night obsessing over you and listening to every word that you say.
00:41:26.840
So is, you know, generally speaking, at least they're, you know, people care.
00:41:34.100
I had an employee who is a good friend and I love him.
00:41:37.000
And he's worked here now for six months and he is just great.
00:41:41.400
He came to me yesterday and said, hey, I have to talk to you about this.
00:41:45.340
I really strongly disagree because he read it in The Hill and Politico.
00:41:49.600
And he believed them over the guy who he, I passed his desk twice yesterday.
00:41:57.620
But he, you know, he assumed they were reporting it accurately.
00:42:01.180
So instead of coming to me and saying, Glenn, this doesn't sound like you.
00:42:12.800
If, if you are, if you were in a place to where you'll believe the media, who we all are supposedly to distrust, if you believe them over people who you know, there's a problem.
00:42:46.600
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00:42:57.580
I was going to do Choose Your News, but Andrew Heaton just walked in.
00:43:01.700
The host of the podcast, something's off with Andrew Heaton and something is very off with Andrew Heaton.
00:43:05.760
I don't know how much longer his show is going to last.
00:43:11.080
Looking forward to having Arthur Brooks on then.
00:43:35.660
Well, you know, yesterday we did the panel show, The News and Why It Matters.
00:43:38.500
And I had kind of jumped to some conclusions on some of your positions, Glenn.
00:43:45.680
And fortunately brought it up before the show, before I jumped into my monologue.
00:44:01.960
You know that this is all, you know, this is showbiz joking here.
00:44:08.540
Well, so to fill out what happened, I had read a headline that said that you were implying
00:44:16.620
that Islamists burned down Notre Dame and that the French government was suppressing that
00:44:24.120
And it was sort of a flashpoint between East and West.
00:44:26.360
And I was going to come in and be like, you know, this is irresponsible and it's conspiracy
00:44:40.960
Because doesn't that seem a little out of character for me?
00:44:48.740
What I could have done is I could have gone, hey, Glenn, I read this interesting headline.
00:45:00.060
And I'm not talking about you because I think this happens all the time.
00:45:07.500
So what was it that made you go, this doesn't make any sense.
00:45:24.900
I'm seriously looking for an answer because I think this happens to a lot of people.
00:45:28.000
You know, part of it is if I'd gone to like rightwingwatch.com slash Glenn, then I would
00:45:39.400
But the story I was looking at, it was a headline that I saw from The Hill.
00:45:44.800
And I just kind of, I thought The Hill liked that they would have, you know, done a little
00:45:55.080
Because you have this first organization that comes out and lies about what you said.
00:46:00.620
And then dozens of other publications start reporting on the initial report without doing
00:46:16.700
Glenn does a national radio and television show every day.
00:46:19.880
So all the things that he says are always available, right?
00:46:22.500
And it's relatively easy for a reporter reporting on a particular story to go do this.
00:46:30.800
It's not like some, I don't know, do we have a Ouija board?
00:46:34.200
How can we possibly get a statement from Glenn or Glenn's people?
00:46:41.740
And I, you know, we've done enough shows with Andrew.
00:46:44.480
And I know he would have not come on and trashed you over this.
00:46:47.920
He would have wanted to hear what your explanation was over it.
00:46:51.060
But, I mean, if you're a publication going out there and trashing Glenn over this,
00:46:55.600
you have an absolute responsibility to make sure you understand what he said correctly.
00:47:08.440
Like, rightwingwatch.deathofbeck.net is not going to ever correct it.
00:47:13.540
But there are, you know, publications out there that should at least, they should protect
00:47:18.660
whatever credibility they have to not just speak to a hard left-wing audience, right?
00:47:27.020
I mean, it's hard when, you know, we'll come on and we'll say, sometimes there'll be something
00:47:32.220
And we'll come on the air and say, look, you know, we've looked at this and here's what
00:47:36.460
I think the conservative side of this has actually made a mistake here.
00:47:46.340
And so, a lot of these places have burned their credibility with the right so consistently
00:47:50.520
that they won't even listen when they actually have facts correct.
00:47:55.140
You know, it's just like, oh, well, that's the New York Times.
00:47:57.540
Well, you know, look, the New York Times makes lots of mistakes.
00:47:59.600
And in their op-ed section, they're completely insane.
00:48:02.640
But they also, I mean, a lot of the information that we bring to you about, you know, Islamic
00:48:07.180
extremism over the years has been because of reporting from the New York Times.
00:48:10.960
I mean, they've done a lot of good things, too.
00:48:12.220
You have to judge story to story, writer by writer.
00:48:17.560
And a way to summarize this is maybe do your own homework.
00:48:20.880
That's why you always plead with people on this.
00:48:24.580
I just wanted to kind of bring them in and, you know, kick off a new Wednesday.
00:48:33.500
Now, it's interesting, you didn't pick carrots for Glenn.
00:48:36.280
I noticed you picked baked goods and glazed sugar.
00:48:40.760
Well, as you know, I'm secretly trying to murder Glenn.
00:48:44.840
And I thought this will just be a way to slowly do it.
00:48:53.140
We've got Arthur Brooks on today, which I'm really excited about.
00:48:55.620
Or actually, I'm sorry, Arthur Brooks is going to be on tomorrow.
00:49:00.760
So she's here in Dallas, and we're going to talk about welfare, and I have a chat on that.
00:49:07.480
Tomorrow, we're going to talk about Arthur Brooks' book, And Capitalism, which I'm excited about
00:49:12.500
because the main thing on the show that I do is a temperamental thing of good and intelligent
00:49:19.520
And I feel like Arthur Brooks has exonified that in his book.
00:49:24.780
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