The Glenn Beck Program - Best of the Program ｜ Guests： Travis Clark & Kyle Seraphin ｜ 8⧸10⧸23

00:00:00.740 Welcome to the program. We spend an awful lot of time on a name. Say it. Say the name.

00:00:06.520 Craig Robertson. Robertson apparently armed at the time when the FBI came breaking his door down.

00:00:14.720 We talked to one of his dear friends, a Utah Valley University professor who says, I can't believe it.

00:00:20.680 He talks about what his wife witnessed and what a neighbor witnessed, and he tells us about the man.

00:00:27.100 But it's complex because the man also was living some sort of, I don't know, invincible guy life on the Internet and was making threats against the president, which you would expect the FBI to do.

00:00:39.560 Come visit the man, especially if the president is in town. 0.92

00:00:42.820 But his threats were really over the top and ridiculous because he was going to dress as a bush and use a rifle to kill the president. 0.90

00:00:52.540 Okay, well, he's 300 pounds and he walks with a cane and he's 75 years old. 0.98

00:00:57.920 I don't think that's a good disguise in the first.

00:01:00.240 Why is that fat bush over there walking with a cane?

00:01:06.580 Was it laziness?

00:01:08.700 Was it intentional?

00:01:10.620 What is the story here?

00:01:12.320 We take it from every single angle possible.

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00:02:35.900 Police say, not police, sorry, sources say, unnamed sources say, that Craig Robertson, the 75-year-old man in Provo, Utah, was armed at the time of the shooting.

00:02:48.900 What does that mean?

00:02:52.940 Was he pointing a gun at them?

00:02:55.240 Did he have a gun in, I'm armed right now.

00:02:58.140 I'm carrying a gun.

00:02:59.460 But that doesn't mean I'm a threat to you.

00:03:03.760 Was he holding the gun?

00:03:05.460 Or does armed mean that he had a safe full of guns?

00:03:09.100 What does that mean?

00:03:11.080 And if this shooting happened inside, which I'm led to believe it is, but I cannot confirm that because they won't confirm any details.

00:03:20.200 If this shooting happened inside, why exactly was the body moved to the sidewalk outside of the house and then let to sit there for hours?

00:03:35.220 Something's very wrong here.

00:03:37.640 And that's not excusing what Craig Robertson said, apparently, online.

00:03:42.580 Now, one of his friends from church is Travis Lee Clark.

00:03:48.500 He's a Utah Valley University adjunct professor.

00:03:51.760 He is a church friend.

00:03:53.620 Knew Craig Robertson quite well.

00:03:57.820 Boy, I hate doing these interviews.

00:04:00.240 Travis, I'm so sorry for your loss, and I'm grateful that you were willing to come on the air and just tell us what you do know.

00:04:09.660 Thank you, Glenn.

00:04:10.440 I mean, I just wanted people to know the Craig that I knew.

00:04:21.540 Is Craig, you didn't know anything about his social media postings, right?

00:04:27.220 You didn't follow him there?

00:04:29.300 No, I did not follow him on social media.

00:04:32.360 I did not see that until later in the day after I knew he was killed.

00:04:38.700 Okay.

00:04:39.180 But I knew him.

00:04:40.940 I knew he was political.

00:04:42.520 He often, you know, talked about politics.

00:04:45.480 He was a big Second Amendment supporter.

00:04:48.680 But I had never heard him say anything like that.

00:04:52.660 And he used a walking stick.

00:04:54.940 So he was not really agile.

00:04:57.640 He was 300 pounds, 5'4", 75 years old.

00:05:01.980 So he was, go ahead.

00:05:05.240 He could not get out of a chair without his cane or walking stick.

00:05:09.200 And there were a few times where I had to help him get out of a chair.

00:05:12.720 And he was not a very mobile guy.

00:05:16.160 He lived less than half a block away from the church.

00:05:19.640 And he would drive himself and his son to church just because he really couldn't walk that distance.

00:05:27.660 If you saw him and you were on an FBI interview, would he be the kind of guy that, you know, if you only know that what he said, I've got a ghillie suit. 0.98

00:05:40.600 I'm going to go up into a parking lot and I'm going to stake out the president and I'm going to shoot him with my high-powered rifle.

00:05:48.920 Is he the kind of guy that you would, of course, if the president's coming in, you would go and make sure that he's not in his ghillie suit. 0.95

00:05:57.360 But would that be a possibility or laughable if you had seen him, just seen him and not known him?

00:06:04.760 Utterly, it's utterly unbelievable.

00:06:07.440 It's utterly laughable.

00:06:08.780 He was not very mobile.

00:06:10.980 He was not very active.

00:06:13.200 I could not imagine him in a million years getting dressed up in a ghillie suit and taking up some position, you know, as a sniper, you know, in the condition that he was.

00:06:24.240 He was just simply not capable of executing these threats that he made.

00:06:32.000 Nice.

00:06:32.520 I can't imagine anybody who knew him or met him for any length of time imagining that he was even physically capable of doing that.

00:06:44.720 You know some of his neighbors.

00:06:48.220 Do you know, did the shooting happen in the house or outside?

00:06:53.560 Did the FBI move her body?

00:06:56.760 My wife is good friends with the next door neighbor who called us immediately after it happened because she had a five-year-old in the house and she was very traumatized and was looking for someplace that as soon as they let her out of her house, she was the whole neighborhood was locked down.

00:07:14.300 So as soon as she was able to get out of her house, she wanted a safe place for her and her five-year-old.

00:07:19.860 So she called my wife, thought that maybe that could happen.

00:07:23.360 And then my wife went over to go check on her and spoke with her. 0.63

00:07:29.800 And as near as I can tell, the shooting took place inside the house.

00:07:33.700 They attempted to bash his front door down.

00:07:38.840 That failed.

00:07:40.100 Then they had a vehicle mounted battering ram that went in through his front window and then they went into the building.

00:07:46.180 And then that's when shots were fired.

00:07:48.500 And then for some reason, I don't know, his body was taken out.

00:07:56.080 And when my wife went to go check on her friend who was living right next door with her five-year-old son, and they were obviously traumatized, his body was still laying out there on the sidewalk under a sheet.

00:08:10.300 And this was around 830.

00:08:12.160 So this was, you know, two hours after the event supposedly happened.

00:08:16.160 And it was very distressing for my wife.

00:08:19.160 I bet it was.

00:08:20.540 He was just this person that we knew from church, this kind of lovable teddy bear kind of a guy who didn't seem like a threat to anyone, was just laying out there.

00:08:32.420 She thought it was very disrespectful.

00:08:35.140 People don't understand the neighborhoods in Utah are different.

00:08:39.780 Usually everybody goes to church and the church is usually within a walking distance of a couple blocks.

00:08:46.620 And so families really get to know each other and children get to know each other.

00:08:51.020 Was he the kind of guy that the children knew in the neighborhood?

00:08:56.420 I understand that she did everything she could to keep her five-year-old son from knowing what was going on.

00:09:05.980 Took him down to the basement to protect him because it was a very scary situation.

00:09:12.040 And the second she found someone who could, you know, take her kid and get them out of that situation, she did.

00:09:21.180 But they were stuck there while all this was unfolding.

00:09:25.780 Yeah, I'm wondering how all the other children on the block, if they saw this man that they knew.

00:09:31.560 Did he seem at all crazy to you?

00:09:36.700 Did he seem like the kind of guy that would...

00:09:40.300 No, not at all.

00:09:42.540 I spoke to him on Sunday.

00:09:44.220 I just said, hi, how are you doing?

00:09:46.580 I meant to ask about his son.

00:09:48.700 I didn't ask about his son.

00:09:49.880 I feel bad about that.

00:09:50.820 He has an adult son who is disabled, blind, that he's the primary caregiver for and had been up until a few weeks ago.

00:09:59.120 His son had a stroke and is now in his character.

00:10:04.120 And so I meant to ask about his son, but I didn't.

00:10:08.020 And I regret that.

00:10:09.140 But he seemed fine.

00:10:11.260 He was always good-natured, quick with a joke.

00:10:15.360 Could be a little bit curmudgeonly at times.

00:10:17.920 But he was, you know, and I said this in my Twitter post, he was a sweet guy.

00:10:24.740 And I know that sounds crazy, considering what everybody's seen, what he's posted on Facebook.

00:10:29.140 But he was.

00:10:29.940 He was a woodworker.

00:10:31.220 I think there's a monster in each of us that comes out sometimes on social media that you're like, you'd never say that in real life.

00:10:40.260 But you just become a monster because you're on social media and you think you can get away with it.

00:10:44.780 Yeah, I think he just kind of leaned into his online persona.

00:10:50.420 But anyone who saw him and his condition and anyone who knew him and his personality would have just thought, this guy is just trolling and just went over the top and in exceedingly bad taste.

00:11:04.940 And not very wise, you know, statements.

00:11:09.320 But I can't imagine anybody who knew him thinking that he was, any of that was more than just bluster.

00:11:18.700 And, you know, I do.

00:11:19.840 I think he just went into some dark places and leaned into his online persona and blew it up.

00:11:25.320 Because he just simply was incapable of enacting any of the things he said.

00:11:32.380 Had you ever gone over to his house or know anybody that you had?

00:11:37.420 Did he have guns laying around?

00:11:39.680 Did he, was he sitting next, you know, in his recliner?

00:11:42.420 Did he have a gun sitting there?

00:11:45.180 No, he had his, he always had his gun secured.

00:11:48.400 He had a workshop and he loved his, he loved to work on wood and wood projects.

00:11:53.720 And most of the time, that's what we talked about.

00:11:57.060 And anyone who needed help, he would do that.

00:11:59.640 But every time, you know, I, you know, I went over there, he had his guns and he was, he was a gun collector.

00:12:05.340 He loved his guns and would work on his guns and, you know, do some builds on guns.

00:12:10.700 Well, here's, here's why I'm asking this.

00:12:12.480 This is why I'm asking this.

00:12:13.580 The FBI said he was armed at the time of the shooting.

00:12:18.180 I don't exactly know what that means.

00:12:20.280 Um, I know if you want to make it look like, you know, he was shooting back, you say he's armed, but I carry a gun.

00:12:29.260 I'm armed right now, but I'm not a danger to anybody unless you are threatening me.

00:12:34.760 I'm wondering if the police come into the house and he's in bed or he's sitting in his chair, he has a hard time getting up.

00:12:41.580 Is he the kind of guy that had a gun on him all the time that he was like, whoa, somebody's coming in and he's pointing a gun at the FBI?

00:12:51.680 I, I don't know.

00:12:53.120 I don't know.

00:12:53.880 But, you know, he was, did he carry a gun that you know of?

00:12:57.820 Did he carry a gun all the time?

00:12:59.360 Um, I don't know, but I mean, it wouldn't surprise me because he talked about concealed carry, but if he did, he wasn't flashing it in church.

00:13:08.380 He wasn't, you know, he wasn't like some of these gun nuts who are flashing their gun and doing everything else.

00:13:15.280 If he did, he was very discreet about it.

00:13:17.700 And, and it, it never worried me at all.

00:13:20.760 Um, he was always very conscientious about his guns, about safety, his guns, his guns were in a secure place in his house.

00:13:28.360 Um, and so I, I can't, you know, I can't imagine, I mean, yeah, I had guns in the house, but I, I don't know what the situation or how it unfolded.

00:13:38.640 One last thing.

00:13:40.460 This bothers me that the FBI who knows that they're supposed to be trained in de-escalation.

00:13:46.020 Um, they knew he was a ward clerk, so he's in part of, you know, what's called the bishopric.

00:13:52.360 Um, he is part of the leadership of the church.

00:13:56.260 Um, and, uh, he, he's known to be a nice guy.

00:14:01.460 If the FBI knows this, they should have gone to the bishop.

00:14:05.480 Is he the kind of guy that the bishop would have gone to and said, Hey, listen, FBI approached me.

00:14:12.060 They need to talk to you.

00:14:13.400 The president's coming to town.

00:14:14.820 What are you doing?

00:14:16.780 Why are you writing these things?

00:14:18.540 Listen, sure.

00:14:19.320 I have a warrant.

00:14:20.280 They have a warrant.

00:14:21.480 Talk to them.

00:14:22.400 Could he have, would he have listened to somebody like that?

00:14:26.280 I think he would have.

00:14:27.520 I think he would have.

00:14:28.340 I think that anyone who had contacted anybody in the church or anybody in the community that

00:14:34.060 he knew or trusted could have, could have gotten a read on him and, and figured this out.

00:14:40.220 I just can't believe that this required a SWAT team at a, at a dawn raid.

00:14:48.320 You know, it seems a complete overreaction for a man who was very physically limited.

00:14:55.140 And I just can't believe that he, he got this kind of attention seeing the Facebook posts.

00:15:01.060 Well, I understand why, but I don't understand why that escalated immediately to a SWAT team.

00:15:06.820 I didn't know that he had been visited by the FBI and in March, but I found that out.

00:15:12.100 But I think anybody who had visited him at that time would have seen, would have looked at him and said, this guy, it may be a hothead.

00:15:20.600 He may be a crank, but he's, he's not going to be that kind of threat.

00:15:24.940 And I just don't understand why this could not have been handled another way.

00:15:30.140 We're talking to Travis Lee Clark, who is a friend of Craig Robertson, who was shot and killed by the FBI in a raid of his house.

00:15:40.020 I, Travis, I, I, I can't thank you enough.

00:15:43.500 I know when our producers reached out to you yesterday after seeing your post that it was a horrible day.

00:15:49.600 And this is the worst part of my job is having to talk to people who are still in shock and still in mourning.

00:15:57.620 And I apologize for that, but I, I am so grateful that you would share what you knew about him.

00:16:02.780 Can you tell me the, if you feel comfortable, tell me the name of his son so we can have the audience pray for his son.

00:16:09.800 Sure. His name was Sean, Sean Robertson.

00:16:13.140 Okay. Thank you, Craig.

00:16:15.200 I thank you, Travis. I really appreciate it.

00:16:17.640 God bless you.

00:16:19.600 Thank you, Glenn.

00:16:20.900 You bet. That's Travis Lee Clark.

00:16:23.340 He is a Utah Valley University adjunct professor and a friend of the now deceased Craig Robertson.

00:16:31.020 You're listening to the best of the Glenn Beck program.

00:16:34.640 Kyle, welcome to the Glenn Beck program. How are you, sir?

00:16:38.140 I'm doing very well. How are you doing, Glenn?

00:16:39.980 I'm good.

00:16:40.640 So this, this situation that happened in Provo, Utah yesterday is bothersome on so many levels.

00:16:48.380 And let me start first with the quote unquote victim, the guy who was making threats.

00:16:55.120 You don't do that.

00:16:57.820 What he did was wrong, illegal.

00:17:00.540 And you would expect the FBI to come in.

00:17:04.160 However, you wouldn't expect them to kill him.

00:17:09.280 So I don't see a good guy here on either side.

00:17:14.760 Although I do kind of side with, uh, uh, with the victim because it was completely unnecessary on what happened.

00:17:24.880 Can you talk me through this?

00:17:26.400 Yeah. So we have to look at sort of the bigger picture.

00:17:29.800 The bigger picture is this.

00:17:30.860 You can make really bad decisions and get to the point where there's a SWAT team there.

00:17:34.480 And once that happens, a shooting of someone in that scenario can be very justified.

00:17:38.380 And, uh, the deadly force policy for the, for the FBI, which is the entire DOJ deadly force policy.

00:17:43.860 It's pretty specific.

00:17:44.840 The most operative clause there is when the officer has a reasonable belief that the subject of the force, that's the person they shoot,

00:17:50.640 poses an imminent danger of death or serious physical injury to the officer or another person.

00:17:54.360 Then that deadly force is justified.

00:17:56.320 They're able to do it.

00:17:57.200 So you can have a justifiable shooting and I'm very, I'm pretty confident.

00:18:00.740 I've talked to my buddies who are actually on that team that this was a straightforward weapon scenario.

00:18:05.700 They were justified in making that shot, but we have that's, that's C, D and E of the steps of, you know,

00:18:10.620 like he produces a weapon, they have to react to it.

00:18:12.500 And then the guy is dead.

00:18:13.540 That's C, D and E, but A and B is the decisions of the investigation that went on before it.

00:18:17.820 And the decision to send SWAT into this guy's presence.

00:18:20.700 And those can be bad decisions.

00:18:22.560 So we can step further back and see this being a bigger problem.

00:18:25.360 And so even though the just, you know, the SWAT team may have been justified in their shooting,

00:18:29.280 sending SWAT, which is an FBI, kind of a standard move right now.

00:18:32.740 They have a whole matrices of questions and concerns for any given arrest operation.

00:18:38.240 SWAT is the default position.

00:18:39.840 I used to joke that the guys, because I used to work with the SWAT team in Washington field office.

00:18:43.480 I've worked with SWAT teams in other places as a surveillance agent.

00:18:46.300 We were integral in watching people before they were arrested.

00:18:49.260 And so you would keep an eye on the subject before it happens.

00:18:51.400 So I've done this, I don't know, upwards of 50 times, I would say.

00:18:54.180 I've been in a lot of these briefings.

00:18:56.160 Some of my buddies have been on these teams for a long time.

00:18:58.760 And the kind of the kooky piece of it is, is that you don't want to engage somebody in a place where they're most likely to be violent.

00:19:08.040 That's not the best course of action, right?

00:19:10.820 So in order to get this guy into custody safely, there are many other tools in the tool belt.

00:19:15.440 But I used to tell the guys on SWAT, SWAT doesn't stand for special weapons and a tactic.

00:19:19.240 It actually is the standard warrants and arrest team, because they are the default position the FBI goes to, to make arrests.

00:19:25.160 Some cases, they'll never use their handcuffs, because SWAT is busy doing their arrests.

00:19:30.460 And that's a default position.

00:19:31.500 That's not good.

00:19:31.940 So, Kyle, here is the thing.

00:19:34.300 First of all, I thought George Floyd, I thought that was all about, you know, and all the march against the police of using excessive force when it wasn't needed.

00:19:42.740 I'm disgusted by this whole thing.

00:19:45.360 And I still believe what the guy did was wrong, and he should have expected the FBI to show up.

00:19:52.860 But they did show up.

00:19:55.020 He's 75 years old.

00:19:56.900 He is obese, 5'4", 300 pounds.

00:20:01.140 He can't get up out of a chair without a walking stick or a cane.

00:20:05.780 He walks with a cane.

00:20:07.840 He's got a blind son who just had a stroke.

00:20:10.940 And you use basically a tank to come in through his front window.

00:20:17.640 I mean, here's the problem.

00:20:19.800 If you wanted to get this guy and make sure that you had him in custody, why wouldn't you take him when he got out of his car at the parking lot of the supermarket?

00:20:30.180 Why wouldn't you take him out, you know, and surround him and arrest him in the parking lot of his church?

00:20:37.080 Why wouldn't you go?

00:20:38.260 He was a member of the church in good standing.

00:20:40.440 He was actually part of the leadership of the church in a small way.

00:20:44.300 He was a secretary to a clerical position.

00:20:49.440 He could have gone to the pastor or the bishop and said, the FBI could have said, look, we have a warrant.

00:20:55.520 We know this guy is old.

00:20:56.920 He's infirm.

00:20:57.500 But he's doing things that are really dangerous.

00:21:00.280 And de-escalate.

00:21:01.800 What they did is they almost guaranteed that this man would die.

00:21:06.860 I agree with you.

00:21:09.060 And I agree that all those tactics, those techniques you just mentioned, those are in the tool belt and they exist.

00:21:13.600 But the FBI is fundamentally not flexible.

00:21:16.080 They're not nimble.

00:21:17.060 And they're sort of lazy in their thinking.

00:21:18.680 There's an old saying that if you choose your doctor, you choose your diagnosis.

00:21:22.180 In many ways, if you choose your law enforcement tactic, you're going to choose that outcome as well.

00:21:27.260 And you at least put certain things on the table that wouldn't otherwise be there.

00:21:29.640 My old job, I spent three years doing this, thousands of hours a year, was called Special Operations Group.

00:21:36.220 But essentially, we were a surveillance group that had the ability, because we were armed agents, to do interdiction.

00:21:41.460 And they call it TSI in the FBI, or Tactical Surveillance to Interdiction.

00:21:45.100 And it's exactly what you just said.

00:21:46.700 I grab you when you're pumping gas. 0.97

00:21:48.460 We grabbed MS-13 members who might swing a machete at us and we might have to shoot.

00:21:52.420 We grabbed them when they had two cups of coffee in their hand because they were going to their construction job at 7 in the morning.

00:21:56.520 And that is far safer for the public, it's safer for the subject, and it's safer for the officer.

00:22:01.380 So what the hell happened?

00:22:02.660 Why would you do that for MS-13, but not for a 75-year-old guy who doesn't mean the things that he's saying? 1.00

00:22:09.340 He's just wrapped up in this stupid internet world. 1.00

00:22:14.040 There's two possibilities. 0.99

00:22:15.300 One is that they're sending the message, and that is definitely a real possibility, and we have to do it.

00:22:19.440 We can't impugn people's motive without knowing.

00:22:21.640 And the second possibility is lazy thinking, which is that we've always done it this way.

00:22:24.920 And that is a default FBI position.

00:22:27.060 It's like, well, we had two agents shot in 2021 on that child pornography warrant down in Miami, and we send SWAT to people that might have a gun because that's one of the criteria.

00:22:35.440 If they have a dangerous dog, that's a criteria for SWAT.

00:22:38.360 And if they've shared basically that they have negative feelings about law enforcement.

00:22:41.940 And one of the three charges that is in that complaint about this guy, Craig Robertson, is a complaint about him making threats to law enforcement.

00:22:48.980 That's the court number two, it's 18 U.S.C. 115, where he basically told the FBI, come back with a warrant, and by the way, I'm carrying a gun.

00:22:56.360 And so they took that as a threat.

00:22:57.820 And look, that's a legitimate threat, his original threat.

00:22:59.940 I agree.

00:23:00.680 I agree.

00:23:01.260 Those all happened in March.

00:23:02.100 Like you said, bad choices.

00:23:02.980 Bad choices, but you also see that the reason that this thing kicked off and why they went to go grab him was because Joe Biden was coming to the state, and he made a threat to Joe Biden.

00:23:11.680 So we had the final straw was actually 18 U.S.C. 871, which is usually a Secret Service sort of prerogative.

00:23:17.800 It just turns out they had this open case from the FBI.

00:23:20.540 So why wouldn't the Secret Service be the ones to go in?

00:23:24.860 I've done this for 50 years, Kyle.

00:23:26.580 I've reported on crazy stories for 50 years, 47, and I've got to tell you, I've not seen this before with Secret Service or the FBI.

00:23:37.480 I've seen them go take people in their house. 0.82

00:23:39.920 I've seen them, you know, the president is coming in.

00:23:42.400 They've monitored somebody.

00:23:43.960 I've never seen this.

00:23:47.060 No, you're spot on.

00:23:48.600 And so the concern is, is let's just do like a little replay, because we all live through Donald Trump's presidency.

00:23:55.100 Pregnancy.

00:23:55.600 My wife is pregnant.

00:23:56.380 Well, my wife is pregnant right now. 0.96

00:23:57.820 She's about to have a baby. 0.99

00:23:58.600 So I have this.

00:23:59.320 I got babies right. 0.71

00:24:00.440 Sorry about that.

00:24:01.180 But yeah, think about this.

00:24:02.620 You've got you've got people like Kathy Griffin that were cutting off the head of an effigy of Donald Trump. 0.97

00:24:07.620 You've got Snoop Dogg pointing a gun at a Donald Trump sort of actor.

00:24:11.400 You've got you've got guys like John.

00:24:15.280 You have Johnny Depp saying where's the last time an actor killed a president with John Wilkes Muth. 1.00

00:24:22.340 Maybe an actor should kill this president. 0.98

00:24:24.660 I mean, they didn't bust his door down. 1.00

00:24:26.600 Madonna thinks you want to fill up the White House. 1.00

00:24:28.720 OK, yep.

00:24:29.300 So and did any of those people and I had people respond to me on social media and they said, well, the Secret Service called them.

00:24:34.600 And I said, I always felt like when the Secret Service called somebody, it's the same as a SWAT team breaking down your window at 615 in the morning.

00:24:40.580 It's just it's night and day in the experience of it.

00:24:43.580 And so that is where it feels like it's weaponized because people are seeing two different sides and the way they were treated.

00:24:48.580 And that's troubling.

00:24:49.320 It should be really troubling to Americans.

00:24:51.400 All right.

00:24:51.660 So they say he was armed.

00:24:55.740 What does that mean that he had guns in the safe or he was holding one and pointing it at a tank or pointing it at the officers?

00:25:05.120 Even having it in his hand would make it justifiable.

00:25:07.780 That is an imminent threat.

00:25:08.860 And so they can justify, like I said, you can say that this is a justified shoot and that it was a, quote unquote, good shoot in the law enforcement context.

00:25:16.340 And really, because I hang on just a second, Kyle, because I can't do that.

00:25:20.100 If I if my life isn't truly threatened, even if he's pointing a gun at me, if if I don't feel I'm truly threatened by that, it's not a justifiable shooting.

00:25:30.980 And I'll have to go to court to prove that.

00:25:33.040 But the FBI is OK.

00:25:34.040 Well, it's the way it's taught at Quantico.

00:25:37.100 And so this is maybe some inside baseball for you for your listeners.

00:25:39.480 But they actually do a scenario where a guy is sitting at a desk.

00:25:42.220 And the reason why is this.

00:25:43.520 And, Glenn, this is me trying to be very fair to both sides of it.

00:25:46.180 I know.

00:25:46.700 Like I said, I don't I don't I don't think anybody that was on that warrant woke up in the morning and said, we're going to go kill this guy. 0.72

00:25:51.120 Here we go.

00:25:51.800 And I did when they were done.

00:25:53.040 I don't I think they're probably devastated.

00:25:54.540 But the decisions from the management tree that made them there in that spot were very bad.

00:25:58.940 And I think they're incredibly dangerous.

00:26:00.360 The scenario that gets taught at Quantico, it's a standard training scenario that every FBI agent goes through.

00:26:06.340 There's a man sitting at a desk.

00:26:08.000 He has a gun on the desk with his hand on it.

00:26:11.220 OK, you are approaching this guy to give him a subpoena.

00:26:13.680 You get up and you realize he has a weapon system.

00:26:15.620 If you try to talk him down, he is saying he's going to kill himself.

00:26:19.320 But he kills his secretary and then he kills himself before you get a chance to react.

00:26:22.420 And the fact of the matter is, is all these scenarios, action will beat reaction.

00:26:26.860 If someone has a weapon system in their hand and they have it at low ready or it is their hand in a holster, they can actually shoot you.

00:26:33.220 You can actually draw a weapon out of the holster and shoot somebody.

00:26:36.160 If you make that decision before the person who's holding a gun on, you can actually react.

00:26:40.820 It's been proven over and over and over again on every level, special operations through to it.

00:26:44.720 So that's why there's an image standard.

00:26:46.260 I've actually gone through the training and one of the scenarios is a guy who's holding his girlfriend hostage. 0.91

00:26:53.760 And the only way that you win in that situation is if you shoot him first.

00:26:59.220 So I've I've seen the training and I understand that I'm just I I'm I'm just bothered by what this what happened here, because I've never seen it before.

00:27:09.740 It's an overreaction from government.

00:27:12.180 It is clear.

00:27:13.520 I mean, right now, if this man were black and a Democrat, everybody would say, say his name, say his name.

00:27:22.220 And you want to talk about it? 0.97

00:27:24.640 Yeah, the cities would be on fire.

00:27:27.200 And so I'm really bothered by it.

00:27:29.100 And I'm also really bothered by the fact because I've seen CSI, but maybe the FBI doesn't need to have anybody check on him.

00:27:35.860 And why did they move the body from the house and leave it out on the sidewalk for two hours? 1.00

00:27:41.020 So I got two possibilities, and they're both stupid. 0.99

00:27:43.460 The one possibility is they moved him out there to work on him in a medical scenario. 0.99

00:27:46.760 We set up usually outside of these buildings and what we call a casualty collection point.

00:27:50.400 That's pretty standard military tactic.

00:27:52.080 So you take people outside of the place where the threat is, you bring them to a safe place and then you can work on them.

00:27:56.780 It's acceptable.

00:27:57.620 OK, I think that and as I was I've been a paramedic for over 10 years and that was that's what our plan was.

00:28:02.440 You don't really expect to ever have to use it on a subject.

00:28:05.140 It's generally in case one of your your teammates is hit.

00:28:07.540 But that may be the plan that they executed.

00:28:09.500 So let's go with that.

00:28:10.520 But why was he left out there?

00:28:11.780 And we're hearing reports he was left out there for hours.

00:28:14.140 And I can't validate those yet.

00:28:15.880 But let's just assume that was that is basic government and particularly FBI incompetence because the FBI doesn't deal with bodies.

00:28:22.320 They don't shoot very many people, number one, thankfully.

00:28:24.860 And number two, there's no plan if they did.

00:28:27.300 Like they don't they don't deal with homicides.

00:28:29.660 That is a local police matter.

00:28:31.560 And so you have to say what the hell do they do?

00:28:33.860 They don't even know.

00:28:34.460 They're they're calling like, how do we get the lab division?

00:28:36.900 Where's the ERT, the evidence response team?

00:28:39.220 They're probably trying to do everything right.

00:28:40.660 And, you know, do the federal thing, like, you know, dot the I's and cross the T's.

00:28:43.900 But they're screwing up and they're leaving a body out.

00:28:45.820 Maybe that's why.

00:28:47.360 Did they involve the local police or did they call 9-1-1 after they shot him?

00:28:51.440 Maybe that's why you would have the local sheriff's.

00:28:54.020 Yeah.

00:28:54.400 That's why you should have the sheriff's department and the police department there, because who's watching the bad guys?

00:29:01.580 Who's watching the bad guys?

00:29:03.260 If if this if this guy is bad, great.

00:29:06.780 If the other side is bad, we should know about it.

00:29:09.620 And that's only if we have an independent look at it.

00:29:12.960 I mean, I just this really, really bothered.

00:29:16.400 And I'm not defending him.

00:29:19.200 I'm really not.

00:29:20.880 He was I mean, he's known in the community as being a lovable teddy bear kind of guy. 1.00

00:29:25.820 But he got wrapped up in the in his Internet persona and did stupid, stupid things. 1.00

00:29:34.500 But they've already met this guy. 1.00

00:29:37.020 They've been looking at this guy forever.

00:29:39.480 He's in a he's threatened the president.

00:29:41.680 He says he's going to get into a ghillie suit and a ghillie suit in a car park surrounded in cement.

00:29:49.020 And he's 300 pounds and he walks with a cane.

00:29:51.140 What Bush walks around with a cane? 0.88

00:29:52.860 I mean, it's ridiculous the way this was handled.

00:29:57.680 And I hope it's not swept under the rug.

00:30:01.640 Kyle, unfortunately, just because they do.

00:30:03.520 This side is this is not the side that people get outraged about.

00:30:06.040 Unfortunately, I am.

00:30:09.080 I thank you.

00:30:10.300 And I hope I'm not unfair to those good FBI agents. 0.93

00:30:15.640 But it's high damn time. 0.84

00:30:17.960 Voices like yours are not so alone. 0.96

00:30:20.380 It's high time that the FBI says, you know what?

00:30:24.220 This was a horrible error and I'm not going to be a part of this.

00:30:29.640 I'm sorry.

00:30:30.280 But we didn't make this decision.

00:30:32.380 They did. 1.00

00:30:33.320 And it was a stupid decision. 1.00

00:30:35.560 Somebody needs to pay for it. 1.00

00:30:38.500 Sorry, Kyle.

00:30:39.320 Thank you so much.

00:30:41.040 No, I appreciate it.

00:30:41.840 Thanks, man.

00:30:42.100 I know what is going to be said today.

00:30:48.160 There are going to be people that write that I am defending this teddy bear of a man who was threatening the president of the United States.

00:30:57.740 That's what's going to be said.

00:30:58.800 And others will say, Glenn Beck said the FBI was justified in going in and shooting this man.

00:31:05.360 That's what both are going to say.

00:31:07.300 And both of them are wrong.

00:31:09.480 And both sides should learn the lesson from yesterday when it comes to the Internet.

00:31:16.340 Say what you mean and mean what you say.

00:31:20.020 Period.

00:31:20.840 Be the same person online that you are in real life.

00:31:25.140 If you wouldn't say it to the person, then don't say it.

00:31:29.740 Why are they?

00:31:32.680 It is becoming dangerous.

00:31:35.200 And there are people on all sides that are trying to twist things.

00:31:39.440 And it is going to get more and more dangerous.

00:31:42.620 Don't listen to hyperbole.

00:31:45.360 Listen to people who say what they mean and mean what they say.

00:31:48.420 And then become one of those people.

00:31:51.520 This is not helping either side, this shooting.

00:31:55.140 The FBI is not trusted by a growing number of Americans.

00:31:59.820 And they're not trusted for very good reasons.

00:32:02.540 They have lied to Congress over and over and over again.

00:32:05.120 There's a new story about Christopher Wray lying to Congress about the, what was it, the Catholic thing.

00:32:13.180 And I think also about the pro-life.

00:32:15.700 He's lying in his own testimony, and you can prove it now.

00:32:18.740 So they don't deserve our trust.

00:32:21.860 When they start doing the right things and speaking the truth, no matter how hard it is or who it hurts, including themselves, then they will deserve trust again.

00:32:31.480 But they don't go in and kill people.

00:32:36.160 And you shouldn't be the kind of person that can bring this kind of dishonor to your family, where I can't defend you because you said these things, but I really want to because I don't think you believed in it.

00:32:50.600 I don't think you meant any of those things.

00:32:53.540 Maybe you did, but I don't think he did.

00:32:56.380 So who wins?

00:32:59.560 Who's left better with this situation?

00:33:02.360 No one is left in any better shape.

00:33:06.100 That's because we have all forgotten the responsibility that comes with your freedom of speech.

00:33:13.160 You in this country have a right to say what you believe.

00:33:19.400 You don't have a right to threaten somebody's life online.

00:33:23.420 That's illegal.

00:33:24.660 You can't do that.

00:33:25.600 You don't make threats against people's lives.

00:33:28.960 You don't incite violence.

00:33:31.960 You don't go out and say, let's go into the Capitol tomorrow.

00:33:37.200 Well, that one, I think you can say if you're the right person.

00:33:40.580 Seems the press will leave you alone if that happens.

00:33:45.060 But you don't threaten the president or judges or anybody else.

00:33:49.660 Okay?

00:33:50.000 Because you have a responsibility.

00:33:52.080 And quite honestly, Christians, we have a responsibility to be more Christ-like.

00:33:58.020 That doesn't mean we are Christ-like all the time because we're humans.

00:34:02.060 We're not Christ.

00:34:03.240 I don't know how many times I think to myself, you know, in shameful moments, when I say something and my first thought is, well, well, I mean, Jesus didn't live in these times.

00:34:16.400 Jesus wasn't a talk show host.

00:34:21.060 Jesus didn't live in these times.

00:34:22.980 I don't know.

00:34:23.960 I don't have a crown of thorns on my head.

00:34:26.780 I think he might have had a little worse than I have.

00:34:29.100 And he still prayed for the people because he knew they're all our brothers and sisters.

00:34:37.940 And if the shooter would have realized that in his anger, he wouldn't have said those things.

00:34:44.920 And quite honestly, if the FBI was doing their job and they were a system of justice for, by, and of the people, they wouldn't have gone in and done this.

00:34:58.580 They would have de-escalated this.

00:35:01.760 And it wasn't hard to do in this particular case.

00:35:04.320 Not hard to do.

00:35:06.900 But they don't care because they're not part of a government of, for, and by the people.

00:35:11.700 At least right now, they seem to be operating like they are just the government and you are you.

00:35:21.260 And that's the problem because more and more people, this guy spoke out, I think, because he was scared.

00:35:27.400 He saw what was happening to his country.

00:35:30.200 He saw what was happening to people's rights.

00:35:32.180 And he saw the lies over and over and over again.

00:35:34.760 And I think people are just reaching a point where they're like, okay, well, that's not that.

00:35:40.480 Well, no, no, nothing will be solved if we act like that.

00:35:44.700 Everything will be solved because it's all coming unraveling.

00:35:48.020 Did you see that S&P stopped using ESG as a score now?

00:35:54.120 Did you see that?

00:35:54.920 It's all coming undone.

00:35:58.380 The truth will set you free.

00:36:02.100 It'll make you miserable first.

00:36:04.680 But it will set you free.

00:36:06.480 And it will free all of the minds that are currently captured in all of these lies.

00:36:13.300 It will.

00:36:14.160 And it will save them.

00:36:14.880 And quite honestly, the Lord would have us saving all of his children.

00:36:22.800 We don't just go, you know what?

00:36:24.380 They're wrong.

00:36:25.040 I'm going to get them. 1.00

00:36:26.560 Oh, payback's a bitch. 1.00

00:36:28.360 We don't do that. 0.99

00:36:30.340 You think your dad would do that?

00:36:32.300 Hey, hey, hey.

00:36:33.780 That's your sister. 1.00

00:36:36.000 Love her.

00:36:37.680 She's hurting right now.

00:36:38.960 She's misguided right now.

00:36:40.260 But love her.

00:36:41.720 Always.

00:36:42.560 Do no harm.

00:36:43.140 Don't you dare say that about your sister.

00:36:45.340 You love her.

00:36:47.960 That's what our Father in Heaven would say about all those we deem enemies right now.

00:36:54.240 And that's hard to do.

00:36:56.460 It doesn't mean we don't tell them the truth.

00:36:58.860 It doesn't mean that we don't try to stop their errors from harming others.

00:37:04.340 But it's all coming undone.

00:37:10.280 So the reality is, for instance, the president is going on this tour to talk about climate change.

00:37:18.320 It's been, what, 17 days of temperatures in Dallas over 100?

00:37:23.100 It's the worst thing that's ever happened in the history of math.

00:37:27.160 For the last four and a half trillion years, it's not this hot even on the sun.

00:37:33.400 Not true.

00:37:34.460 Did you know in 1980, the record was, it's been 17 days.

00:37:40.000 I think the record was 50 or 60 days in a row.

00:37:43.180 Hello?

00:37:43.480 Hello?

00:37:43.800 And that was at the end of the global cooling scare.

00:37:49.680 So it's, it's his, for instance, he's going around right now talking about, quote,

00:37:56.540 the largest investment in climate in the history of the world.

00:38:00.480 What was that investment in the climate?

00:38:03.020 That investment in the climate is called the Inflation Reduction Act.

00:38:07.060 Why did you call the biggest investment in climate the Inflation Reduction Act?

00:38:11.960 Because it's a lie.

00:38:13.940 The whole thing is a lie.

00:38:17.580 Now, he says these things, and you get frustrated, and I get frustrated.

00:38:22.620 But right now, he's saying, you know, prices are way down.

00:38:25.780 This, this, by nomics, it's working.

00:38:27.700 It's working.

00:38:28.480 Well, is it?

00:38:29.320 Have you paid for gas lately?

00:38:31.200 Did he fix that or make it worse?

00:38:33.740 How is your grocery bill?

00:38:35.160 Well, inflation's down to 3%.

00:38:37.680 Uh, yeah, plus the 9.1 from the prices being risen last year.

00:38:44.220 They didn't go back down 9%.

00:38:46.380 They went down 6%.

00:38:49.080 This year.

00:38:52.040 They didn't go down from, they're still growing.

00:38:55.140 Still growing.

00:38:57.100 We're actually not even down.

00:38:58.640 I'm sorry.

00:38:59.100 We are up 12% now.

00:39:00.900 Well, gee, that's, that's good.

00:39:02.180 12%.

00:39:02.760 That's worse than 9%.

00:39:05.140 The Build Back Better Act.

00:39:10.760 So, he's saying now that you are getting off, you, we, quote,

00:39:16.360 we're about building an economy from the middle out and the bottom up, not the top down.

00:39:21.440 Then let me ask you, Joe Biden,

00:39:23.220 you are now reportedly requesting more disaster relief for Ukraine.

00:39:30.220 This is the country that we're not following the money.

00:39:34.320 This is the most corrupt country in the, in the land.

00:39:37.160 This is the country that you and your son were doing business with.

00:39:40.500 And that's not speculation anymore.

00:39:42.780 That's fact.

00:39:44.120 Look, can we get past this, please?

00:39:46.240 We have the documents for the love of Pete.

00:39:49.080 We have 70 warnings from the banking sector saying money laundering.

00:39:54.500 Can we please get past that?

00:39:56.340 Because we're still sending money over there and we don't know where it's going.

00:40:00.420 But that's not all.

00:40:02.640 You're still enriching people, bad guys.

00:40:05.200 You're taking our money and you're sending it over there and God only knows who's enriching themselves.

00:40:11.080 But let me give you this.

00:40:12.240 Biden transition official caught on camera now saying border crisis is a boom for business.

00:40:19.200 Why is it a boon for business?

00:40:22.160 Well, because he was a guy that was overseeing the detention and he was,

00:40:28.560 he was building all kinds of things for the, for the, for the immigrants.

00:40:32.760 And he was sending all kinds of money to these new organizations that he was getting money from.

00:40:39.180 It's corruption.

00:40:40.280 He was enriching himself.

00:40:42.280 How about this one?

00:40:43.480 Fauci and the NIH scientists personally collecting royalty payments from taxpayer funded inventions.

00:40:57.720 Was anyone making money on this?

00:41:00.500 Well, yeah, they were.

00:41:02.460 I told you three years ago, I showed you the evidence of how this works.

00:41:08.580 I showed you that they were making money on these things.

00:41:13.480 Did you get a check?

00:41:14.800 Because I didn't get a royalty check.

00:41:16.280 Did you get a royalty check?

00:41:18.980 Well, no, no, no, no.

00:41:19.760 Of course not.

00:41:20.360 They're building this from the bottom up and the people like Fauci and the secretary that was, you know, helping out on the border.

00:41:27.860 That's the very bottom.

00:41:29.220 That is the very bottom.

00:41:31.360 The NIH took royalties from a Wuhan lab collaborator, a alleged front for Russian bioweapons.

00:41:40.480 That's the very bottom, right?

00:41:42.020 Energy Secretary Granholm sold $1.6 million in holdings in an electric bus maker after Biden visited the firm.

00:41:52.260 Huh.

00:41:54.300 Then they declared bankruptcy.

00:41:57.020 But don't worry.

00:41:58.700 That was just your money.

00:42:00.680 That was just your money.

00:42:02.100 She happened to invest in it when it was going up when the government's getting their money.

00:42:06.280 And then when they started looking at it, they're like, oh, boy, this thing's going to fail.

00:42:10.040 She got her money out, so she made her profit. 0.77

00:42:12.780 That's building it from the bottom up, isn't it?

00:42:15.320 When they say, we're going to build it from the bottom up, we're going to build the poor people and give them the money and the power instead of the rich.

00:42:29.880 I don't want the government doing any of that.

00:42:32.380 I don't care if you're poor or rich.

00:42:34.740 Do you have a better idea?

00:42:37.320 Do you have a way to change my life or people's lives for the better?

00:42:44.500 That's who I want to be able to be free.

00:42:47.380 And who does that include?

00:42:48.560 Oh, I don't know.

00:42:49.700 Everyone.

00:42:51.020 Freedom means opportunity.

00:42:53.440 But then you have to take that opportunity.

00:42:56.980 Freedom doesn't mean you're given everything.

00:42:59.720 It means I have the opportunity to change my life.

00:43:03.100 I have the opportunity to live my own life.

00:43:06.100 Now, that may mean that I'm just not going to do anything.

00:43:09.160 Well, then your opportunity is going to kind of go away because you have closed the door on that opportunity.

00:43:15.960 But if you're somebody that wants to educate themselves and you don't need a special education, unless you're a brain surgeon, you don't need that expensive education.

00:43:26.540 You can educate yourself for the love of Pete.

00:43:28.920 You have the Internet.

00:43:30.100 You have the power of every book on Earth at your fingertips.

00:43:35.240 I need somebody to say, yep, you're important.

00:43:39.240 You're smart.

00:43:40.220 No, you don't.

00:43:41.140 It's a scam.

00:43:42.440 Stop it.

00:43:44.800 You need to educate yourself and take responsibility for yourself and walk through those doors of opportunity and don't kick them closed for the people behind you.

00:43:56.260 That's Bidenomics.

00:43:57.700 Kicking the doors closed behind them so you can't get it.

00:44:04.080 But don't worry.

00:44:05.220 All of their special friends, they'll make money.

00:44:08.940 They'll be fine.

00:44:10.140 Na, na, na, na.

The Glenn Beck Program - August 10, 2023

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