The Glenn Beck Program - March 08, 2023


Best of the Program ｜ Guests： Tucker Carlson & Carol Roth ｜ 3⧸8⧸23


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Glenn Beck and Tucker Carlson get into a heated debate about a trillion-year-old man and the media's handling of the anti-abortion protest in Ferguson, Missouri. Glenn also talks about China's economic problems and why we should be worried about it.

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00:00:00.000 I think the big thing in the podcast today is Tucker Carlson.
00:00:06.880 We had him on for the hour, the last hour of the podcast today.
00:00:11.940 It brought back a lot of memories.
00:00:14.340 Yeah, it did.
00:00:15.640 We've kind of been in his situation, and it's not a good situation that he's in.
00:00:19.360 He is really, truly fighting it alone.
00:00:23.440 And there's a lot to be gathered from the interview.
00:00:27.820 And he sets things straight.
00:00:29.180 I mean, my first question to him was, was this a violent, despicable protest with some good people in it?
00:00:40.720 Or was this a mostly peaceful protest, like they used to say about the George Floyd riot?
00:00:46.620 And he was very, very clear.
00:00:48.480 And don't be confused.
00:00:49.760 I kind of break it down in the first hour of what the mix-up is here with the media, what they're intentionally trying to do.
00:00:57.920 And no knock on Tucker, I'm not saying it wasn't a good interview, but we did talk about a guy who's over a trillion years old.
00:01:03.520 I mean, I don't see how that would not be more notable than...
00:01:05.620 Well, you are right.
00:01:07.080 You're right.
00:01:07.500 I believe it's $130.
00:01:09.160 Isn't it $130?
00:01:10.600 $109 trillion?
00:01:11.480 I don't know.
00:01:12.100 Something like that.
00:01:12.820 Yeah.
00:01:13.080 A trillion years old.
00:01:14.420 And that doesn't happen.
00:01:15.520 Kind of a bigger deal.
00:01:16.320 He is directly connected, in fact, on the payroll of somebody in Congress.
00:01:21.280 Perfect.
00:01:21.880 Yeah.
00:01:22.280 Yeah.
00:01:22.920 He can also create earthquakes with his anger, hurricanes with his mind, and he'll give you some good gardening tips so you can stay away from the Jews. 1.00
00:01:33.960 Yeah.
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00:03:12.240 You're listening to the best of the Glenn Beck program.
00:03:26.320 We have one of my favorites.
00:03:29.420 In fact, I think the best person on the economy is Carol Roth.
00:03:34.500 She's the author of War on Small Business.
00:03:37.620 She also has a new book.
00:03:40.140 Do you know when it's coming out yet?
00:03:42.640 July 11th.
00:03:44.100 July 11th.
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00:03:45.780 Lucky roll of the dice.
00:03:47.260 Right.
00:03:47.640 And it will be, it is called You Will Own Nothing.
00:03:52.820 I don't think you're going to like it, but You Will Own Nothing.
00:03:55.920 You'll love the book.
00:03:57.360 And it comes out July 11th.
00:03:58.960 Can you pre-order it yet?
00:04:00.680 Not yet, but I will come back to you soon.
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00:04:09.480 So, Carol, I want to talk to you a little bit about what I see in the news that I don't understand.
00:04:18.060 I don't understand.
00:04:19.400 I'll listen to some people talk, and they will say, we're done.
00:04:26.000 I mean, recession and worse is coming our way.
00:04:29.680 It's right around the corner.
00:04:31.000 I see things like no one is working at places.
00:04:37.040 You can't hire the people to do the jobs now.
00:04:41.920 And where did they go?
00:04:43.820 Because the unemployment numbers seem to be good.
00:04:47.440 Inflation around the world is, in Britain, the food inflation is up another 18%.
00:04:57.460 Are we dodging a bullet here?
00:05:01.360 So, it's a really good question, Glenn, and I think the reason why you are confused about this, and frankly, so many economists have gotten this wrong, is everybody's looking for benchmarks, and we are in unprecedented times economically.
00:05:17.620 You know, we've never had a period in history where they decided to keep interest rates suppressed and, frankly, near zero for 15 years, just completely suppressing and creating this easy money policy.
00:05:32.480 We've never had a period in time where the people who are in charge of the most robust economy in the world said, hey, we'll just shut down a third of it for a little while and then try to turn it right back on and assume there's going to be no problems like we're power cycling a modem.
00:05:50.200 We've never had a point in time where we've had the Federal Reserve print so much money that they then have $9 trillion on their balance sheet.
00:05:59.660 So, all of these things have caused massive disruptions to every piece of the economy, not to mention, you know, looking forward to your special tonight, you know, the crazy energy policy that has created this undersupply throughout the economy in oil, in labor, you know, in food and housing, all of these areas where the Fed, you know, can't print those things like they print oil.
00:06:26.540 So, a lot of people are saying, you know, why is it that the Fed is raising rates and, you know, we're not seeing the immediate effect of it?
00:06:34.420 And a lot of it is, I call it the recession being late to the party.
00:06:39.940 It's not that they're not going to show up.
00:06:42.360 They're just being fashionably late because we have so many weird things that we're working through where there are no benchmarks.
00:06:49.820 You know, if you've had cheap capital for 15 years, if you are a business, you have plenty of capital that you have locked down at low interest rates.
00:07:01.700 So, you probably anticipated this and don't necessarily need that, you know, today to work through whatever it is you're working through.
00:07:09.340 A lot of consumers have locked in those interest rates.
00:07:12.220 So, you know, when we see the Fed raising rates, it's going to take a little while for people to run out of that debt capacity and to say, okay, I need more.
00:07:21.560 And so, we're really just seeing that timing issue that's going on because of all of these central planning mistakes, or perhaps you believe it was intentional.
00:07:30.540 You can make a good case either way, but the central planning messing with the economy.
00:07:34.880 Okay, so I see things like car repossessions going through the roof, okay?
00:07:45.480 So, that's happening, but at the same time, I keep seeing these labor statistics that show everybody's got a job, it's great, and then I hear, well, no, they fudged the numbers.
00:07:59.780 And I don't understand what's happening with the labor numbers.
00:08:04.580 Okay, so let's unpack this, and I'm going to use both retail sales and labor to sort of explain this.
00:08:10.380 So, as Mark Twain said, three kinds of lies, right?
00:08:13.480 Lies, damn lies, and statistics.
00:08:15.860 So, anytime you're looking at data, most people who work with it try to normalize it to throw out things that are unusual to make more sense of it and to make it easier to understand and interpret and predict from.
00:08:29.520 So, if you had things that are crazy highs and crazy lows, you might throw that out.
00:08:33.620 What they do in terms of things like retail sales and the labor force is they do a seasonal adjustment.
00:08:40.460 And so, the best way for you to understand this is, you know, during the holiday season, lots of people decide to do their shopping in November, December, and then that falls off a cliff in January when people are returning things and are all tapped out.
00:08:55.700 So, they make a guess based on historical benchmarks, like what should that look like on a normalized basis based on everything that we've seen, and we're just going to make those adjustments, which sounds great until things don't behave like they did historically.
00:09:11.820 So, for example, if you think about retail sales, Morgan Stanley says normally we would have a 20% drop between December and January in retail sales.
00:09:23.840 But what happened this year is people started shopping early.
00:09:26.900 December wasn't quite as robust as they planned.
00:09:29.780 So, January didn't look quite as bad because December wasn't quite as good.
00:09:34.320 So, those sales only came down 16.2% when they were projecting them to come down 20%.
00:09:41.860 Oh, my God, retail sales are great.
00:09:44.320 The same thing happens when you look at the hiring numbers because we don't have as many people in the labor force.
00:09:52.320 If you think about all of those retail employees who are working, right, they're expected to be laid off in January, but now they didn't even have enough people to hire.
00:10:00.440 So, they expected that there would be 3 million jobs cut in January, but there were only 2.5 million.
00:10:08.160 Oh, my God, what a great difference between December and January.
00:10:11.960 So, this all goes into them trying to adjust the data and use it seasonally adjusted.
00:10:18.560 And, again, you can say that this makes sense or is nefarious.
00:10:22.820 I think there's a case to be made on both sides.
00:10:25.340 But that's why you have this divergence that is difficult for everyone to get their arms and their heads wrapped around when you see what's going on out in the real world.
00:10:34.340 So, when it comes to inflation, the Fed is raising the interest rates, but the government is spending money unlike ever before.
00:10:45.160 No matter what Joe Biden says, we are just pouring money out of the door.
00:10:51.040 However, the idea of raising interest rates is you slow the engine down.
00:10:57.080 You start people can't buy things.
00:11:00.060 They have to kind of scrimp and save so they're not going out and buying things.
00:11:04.540 They're not buying new houses, new cars, et cetera, et cetera.
00:11:07.820 And that sucks the interest rate, sucks the money in to be destroyed.
00:11:12.280 But if you're doing that and you're spending more money than you could possibly take in, why are we still relatively okay?
00:11:25.380 Well, so you've sort of explained it, right, is that the Fed is trying to destroy demand.
00:11:32.800 They're trying to slow things down.
00:11:35.240 And one of the ways they do that is they send a signal to the government.
00:11:38.340 They've given the government the permission through easy money for, as we said, about the last 15 years to be able to spend and finance that at a low rate.
00:11:47.140 Now, as they're raising rates, that's supposed to send a signal to the government, hey, it's become really expensive for you to borrow.
00:11:54.540 You need to slow your rate down.
00:11:56.520 And the government has said, too bad.
00:11:58.620 We're just going to spend like drunken sailors.
00:12:00.900 No disrespect meant to drunken sailors.
00:12:03.460 So that basically means that component of the GDP is going to stay very solid.
00:12:08.800 It does another thing, though, psychologically, if you think about it, Glenn, if you had the government practicing austerity,
00:12:15.880 if you said we need to slow things down, then all of a sudden you as a consumer went, oh, well, maybe things aren't as great as they possibly are.
00:12:26.340 The government's practicing some austerity.
00:12:28.980 I'm going to practice some austerity, too, because I'm worried about what's going on.
00:12:32.900 That's not happening.
00:12:33.940 The government is sending a signal that everything is fiscally sound, that it's okay for you to spend.
00:12:40.160 And that signal is going through the rest of the economy as well.
00:12:43.980 So you have consumers saying, well, you know, they're not going to pull back.
00:12:48.400 I'm not going to pull back.
00:12:49.960 And another thing that you have things like the cost of living adjustment that happened because of inflation that hit almost 70 million Americans,
00:12:59.020 you know, starting in December into January of this year, that's effectively more stimulus into the economy.
00:13:07.020 So you still have all of the stimulus going on.
00:13:09.460 What the Fed should be doing here is saying, you know what?
00:13:13.940 We're out.
00:13:14.700 We don't have the tools.
00:13:16.800 Government, this is on you.
00:13:18.840 You are overspending.
00:13:20.600 You are creating the policy that is keeping people out of the labor force, that is keeping oil prices high,
00:13:26.440 that's putting up barriers to create more housing. 1.00
00:13:29.060 This isn't something we can fix.
00:13:31.140 This is something you fix.
00:13:32.700 We're out.
00:13:33.280 You do it.
00:13:33.880 Unfortunately, nobody has the cojones to do that.
00:13:38.720 This is the best of the Glenn Beck program, and we really want to thank you for listening.
00:13:46.080 Hey, Tucker.
00:13:46.860 How are you, man?
00:13:47.740 Hey, Glenn.
00:13:48.920 How are you?
00:13:49.420 How are you doing?
00:13:50.080 Good.
00:13:50.620 I couldn't be better.
00:13:54.420 Luckily, I'm so cut off.
00:13:56.760 This is, we were talking about it earlier today.
00:14:02.180 I recognize what you're going through right now.
00:14:05.480 I know you do.
00:14:06.820 You're one of like three people in the world, you understand.
00:14:10.300 It is crazy.
00:14:12.100 It is crazy to watch it from the outside.
00:14:15.540 So, Tucker, first of all, can we just get this out of the way?
00:14:20.900 Are you saying that this was a peaceful event?
00:14:25.800 Or are you saying this was...
00:14:27.000 Well, of course not.
00:14:28.240 Of course not.
00:14:28.900 No, no, no.
00:14:29.400 I'm just...
00:14:30.240 We were...
00:14:30.920 I tried to be pretty...
00:14:32.640 I wrote those scripts myself, so any, you know, any overstatement or errors of fact are
00:14:38.020 my fault.
00:14:39.200 But I tried to keep it specific.
00:14:41.340 We focused on a couple of individuals, three.
00:14:44.620 And they're Jacob Chansley, the QAnon shaman, Brian Sicknick, the Capitol Police officer
00:14:49.300 who died after January 6th, and Ray Epps, the mysterious figure on camera promoting violence
00:14:55.240 who was for some reason not indicted, put on the FBI's most wanted list, then pulled
00:14:58.720 off and thanked by Democrats for his service.
00:15:01.400 And we assessed each of those stories on the big, you know, in light of the new tape that
00:15:06.740 we reviewed.
00:15:07.500 And in the first case, I merely made the point that here's a guy, Jacob Chansley, a Navy veteran
00:15:12.760 who's doing four years in prison for some species of domestic terrorism.
00:15:17.400 But none of us have ever been shown what he did to deserve four years in prison.
00:15:21.560 And now we know.
00:15:22.820 And there's videotape of him being led around by Capitol Police into the Senate chamber.
00:15:28.040 And at one point, they try one door.
00:15:29.620 It's locked on his behalf.
00:15:30.860 They're trying to get him into the Senate chamber.
00:15:33.100 Then they lead him in.
00:15:34.320 It's on tape.
00:15:35.340 And he goes into the Senate chamber and immediately says a prayer out loud of thanksgiving for
00:15:39.940 the police officers who let him in.
00:15:41.760 Okay, so wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
00:15:46.260 He is being escorted by the police.
00:15:49.760 But the captain of the Capitol Police said just last night that this was to de-escalate the
00:15:58.920 situation.
00:16:00.800 And I'm sure there was a lot of de-escalation going on.
00:16:04.180 I'm speaking of a very specific case where this was not de-escalation.
00:16:09.580 It was something else.
00:16:10.380 And I can't really guess as to what it was.
00:16:12.420 I merely put the video up and drew my conclusions.
00:16:15.680 But of course, viewers are welcome to draw their own.
00:16:18.600 But here you have a guy who's walking alone.
00:16:21.720 There are no other protesters in the frame.
00:16:23.600 And there are nine armed Capitol Hill police officers around him.
00:16:28.000 They do not stop him.
00:16:29.020 They don't try and slow him down.
00:16:30.100 They don't try to bring him to an exterior exit.
00:16:32.280 They bring him, they lead him, trying different doors into the Senate chamber, at which point,
00:16:37.860 as I said, he says a prayer justly of thanksgiving for them and their assistance.
00:16:42.820 Now, I don't, and again, I can't even guess as to what motivated them what we're looking
00:16:46.880 at here.
00:16:47.360 But I know what we're not looking at, which is an act of violent terrorism.
00:16:50.440 And yet, this guy's doing four years in jail.
00:16:53.420 And I'm trying not to use profanity on your show.
00:16:55.520 But like, what the heck is that?
00:16:57.520 I mean, for real, what is that?
00:16:59.120 And don't tell me it's something that it's not.
00:17:00.780 And so the main conclusion that I drew is that Chuck Schumer and the horrible Senate
00:17:08.620 minority leader, Mitch McConnell, filthy man, and Mitt Romney and Tom Tillis and Senator
00:17:15.500 Kramer of North Dakota, like they're all lying.
00:17:17.420 They're all lying.
00:17:18.300 And a lot of them are Republicans.
00:17:20.140 Why are they lying about what we can see plainly?
00:17:23.080 And why didn't they want us to see it?
00:17:24.860 And again, I can't sort of fill in that blank.
00:17:27.900 I can't answer that question, but I know deception when I see it.
00:17:31.220 It's demonstrable.
00:17:31.920 It's proven.
00:17:32.980 And they should, I think, be asked to explain themselves.
00:17:35.560 Like, it's not enough to say, oh, it was the worst violent insurrection since Gettysburg
00:17:39.900 or something.
00:17:40.300 OK, fine.
00:17:41.120 Stop with the overstatement, the hyperbole, and just explain to me what I'm looking on
00:17:44.780 on the screen and seeing, you know?
00:17:47.520 Tucker, because I've been in this situation before, let me ask you, if I came to you and
00:17:54.900 I gave you some edited footage of something and I said, no, Tucker, this is what it is.
00:18:01.080 You're not going to believe this.
00:18:03.260 I mean, I'm going to show you some stuff, but this was an armed insurrection.
00:18:07.040 It was really bad.
00:18:08.120 Let me show you.
00:18:08.780 And I've edited some tape and given it to you.
00:18:10.840 And if that turned out that I edited out the things that you found, would you just kind
00:18:21.880 of go quiet or would you come out and blast me to smithereens?
00:18:28.420 I'd feel deceived.
00:18:30.480 And as you know, you've worked in television most of your life.
00:18:34.680 You've worked around pictures.
00:18:35.860 You know their power and you know their capacity to deceive.
00:18:39.840 Nothing is more misleading than pictures.
00:18:44.180 You think you're seeing the whole story.
00:18:45.800 You're not.
00:18:46.380 And all of us who work in this medium know that.
00:18:48.900 And so I think TV people, above all, and movie people, anyone who works around pictures is
00:18:53.340 very aware of their power and their capacity for deception.
00:18:57.880 And so we're suspicious.
00:18:59.080 Okay, you showed me those pictures.
00:19:00.260 You whipped me into a lather.
00:19:02.040 But is there something you're not showing me?
00:19:04.260 Did you edit that?
00:19:04.960 And so from the very first day, I wanted to see all the video.
00:19:08.620 And I don't understand why otherwise MSNBC and CNN and, you know, NBC News and CBS and
00:19:17.060 like, why is no one else interested?
00:19:18.600 Well, it's beyond not interested.
00:19:21.180 If they were innocent of this, if they were just saying, hey, we're just reporting what
00:19:28.780 we have been told and what we were given, I would feel very deceived.
00:19:33.820 And I would be the loudest in the room saying, release all of it to me because what I just
00:19:40.200 saw doesn't match what you gave me.
00:19:42.720 Why aren't they standing up and defending their own honor and integrity?
00:19:49.480 Well, that's it.
00:19:50.180 That's it.
00:19:50.740 Oh, God.
00:19:51.580 I'm so grateful you said that because that's the core of it.
00:19:54.760 It's not even, thank you for saying that.
00:19:57.080 It's not even about politics, partisanship, power.
00:20:00.040 It's about dignity.
00:20:01.380 Yes.
00:20:01.860 It's about your own self-respect.
00:20:03.380 I'm an adult man.
00:20:04.460 I'm 53.
00:20:05.340 I have four grown children.
00:20:06.540 I pay my taxes.
00:20:07.340 I'm a citizen lifelong of this country.
00:20:09.540 You can't lie to me.
00:20:11.260 You diminish me when you do that.
00:20:12.920 And if I participate in that, if I allow you to lie to me, then I'm no longer a free
00:20:18.000 man.
00:20:18.340 I'm a slave.
00:20:19.520 And that has to do with me.
00:20:21.280 It's not even about you.
00:20:22.440 I have self-respect and I cannot allow that to continue without me saying something about
00:20:27.960 it because I respect myself.
00:20:29.240 I hold myself to higher standards.
00:20:30.700 I'm not, you know, I'm not Mahatma Gandhi or something.
00:20:33.820 I don't, I don't want to overstate my virtue.
00:20:35.340 I'm not very virtuous, actually.
00:20:37.340 But I do have some standard of self-respect and they don't.
00:20:41.680 And it's shocking to me.
00:20:44.180 You called the January 6th committee members liars.
00:20:50.460 Besides suggestions that, you know, Sitnik was murdered, not even the suggestions of claiming
00:20:56.280 that.
00:20:59.940 Do you make the case that they're liars?
00:21:03.520 They didn't just, you know, fib a bit and eat around the corners.
00:21:08.260 These are full-fledged liars.
00:21:11.140 Well, that was the stunning part to me.
00:21:13.260 I've been in Washington my whole life and my dad worked for the government.
00:21:16.920 So I had a kind of root level trust in government or a trust in government.
00:21:21.060 But like the whole thing can't be fraudulent because I know the people who work there.
00:21:24.320 My dad was one of them.
00:21:25.200 Like this is, you know, I'm very much from that world.
00:21:27.020 I guess that's what I'm saying.
00:21:27.820 So my default setting is not they're lying about everything.
00:21:31.240 I've never assumed that.
00:21:32.640 And so I was shocked to learn that they were lying intentionally.
00:21:36.860 And the way that we know that we have a very specific way of knowing that, which is when
00:21:40.840 January 6th committee researchers looked at video, they bookmarked it.
00:21:45.080 They left an electronic mark on the video they watched.
00:21:48.640 So we know what they watched and then we watched it.
00:21:52.600 And so there is video of Chansley, of Ray Epps and of Brian Sitnik that we know they watched
00:21:59.440 that was not included in the report, was never mentioned in the hearings, a year and a half,
00:22:05.360 a thousand witnesses, 850 page report.
00:22:08.700 And this video, which overturns the story they were telling, proves it was a lie they saw,
00:22:14.900 but hid.
00:22:15.840 So, you know, I'm always hesitant to go to motive because who understands people's motives?
00:22:20.720 You know, you can only really guess about them.
00:22:22.500 But in this specific case, we know that they lied.
00:22:26.400 And that just blew my mind.
00:22:27.960 I mean, you know, some of these guys, if Adam Schiff lies, I think Adam Schiff, there
00:22:32.060 are spiritual forces surrounding Adam Schiff.
00:22:33.840 Like, I think he is a force of darkness and I mean that.
00:22:36.680 But somebody, is Benny Thompson evil?
00:22:39.420 Like, I have trouble believing, you know, like, is, is, I mean, I've known Liz Cheney for
00:22:43.920 25 years.
00:22:44.860 Is Liz Cheney like actually a liar? 0.89
00:22:46.880 I just always assume she just disagrees on the, on the issues with me.
00:22:50.180 No, it turns out Liz Cheney is actually affirmatively a liar. 1.00
00:22:53.860 She knew information, she withheld it because it challenged the lie that she was telling
00:22:59.800 to the public.
00:23:00.640 And that's just completely, I mean, call me naive.
00:23:03.080 I guess I'm sure everyone listening is like, how stupid are you?
00:23:05.520 Well, I guess kind of stupid because I was blown away by that.
00:23:08.680 So, I know you don't want to go into motivation, but this is a pretty large lie.
00:23:16.780 I don't want to use big lie because that's what Schumer used and Hitler used, but it's 0.81
00:23:22.280 a pretty large lie.
00:23:23.480 What is the motivation?
00:23:27.420 Well, if you, you know, again, I can only speculate, but I know the effects of the lie
00:23:32.740 and they're not small.
00:23:34.780 This, this is an event that was a complex event with many facets and they simplified
00:23:43.000 it immediately into a good versus evil tale as they do with everything, partly because
00:23:48.600 they lack nuance and imagination and sophistication, but partly because this was a tool they were
00:23:54.420 using for a purpose.
00:23:56.240 It was a cudgel they were using to beat down their opponents and grab more power for themselves.
00:24:01.220 And in effect, what it did was change the definition of terrorism from something that,
00:24:06.820 you know, exists in other countries and is aimed at us to Republican voters, populist
00:24:14.140 voters.
00:24:14.980 I shouldn't say Republican because Bernie Sanders voters, Trump voters, anybody who questions
00:24:19.740 the legitimacy of the current two parties power holders is now redefined not as a political
00:24:26.600 opponent, but as a terrorist.
00:24:28.060 And that has very specific consequences.
00:24:30.060 It means all of a sudden you can harness the world's largest law enforcement organization,
00:24:34.160 the FBI and the intel agencies, CIA, NSA, defense intelligence, all of them, and you
00:24:40.260 can harness them against your political opponents.
00:24:42.440 And that's exactly what they did.
00:24:43.580 Not just in the hundreds of people who went to jail and the almost a hundred who were still
00:24:48.600 in jail without trial as political prisoners 26 months later, but all the other people who
00:24:53.800 are just political activists who have views.
00:24:55.980 Honestly, people like you, like they can read your text messages.
00:24:59.360 They did read mine.
00:25:00.760 NSA read my text messages and then threatened me with them.
00:25:04.140 And, you know, I brought this to members of Congress.
00:25:06.160 They had a hearing on it.
00:25:07.200 NSA admitted they did it.
00:25:08.440 And then nothing happened.
00:25:10.000 You know, the director of the NSA is still in office.
00:25:12.580 Like nothing happens.
00:25:13.560 And you realize, wow, being the largest organization in human history, the federal government has
00:25:19.700 been harnessed as a political tool.
00:25:22.740 It's like the one thing you can't allow.
00:25:25.060 And we have allowed it.
00:25:26.460 It's happened with the complicity of Republicans, certainly with Mitch McConnell's complicity.
00:25:32.440 And that's just mind blowing.
00:25:34.280 And then it's like, well, what do I do now?
00:25:36.020 You know, I'm not going to leave America.
00:25:37.420 I'm from here.
00:25:38.540 I love this country.
00:25:39.540 I have four kids.
00:25:40.240 I'm not going anywhere.
00:25:41.060 I'm going to stay here.
00:25:42.200 But you really start to feel like I've always thought I was a very patriotic person, fly
00:25:46.340 the American flag, believe in the country.
00:25:48.800 And all of a sudden, it's like the power centers in the country, the government, which is supposed
00:25:54.360 to be nonpartisan, serving all of us equally as citizens.
00:25:57.740 That's turned against me like I'm some Al-Qaeda member from Baluchistan or something like
00:26:03.980 what?
00:26:04.660 It's very bewildering.
00:26:05.740 I will say that.
00:26:07.620 Yeah, I think part of it is because we forgot what Washington said.
00:26:11.060 Which was, you know, government is like fire.
00:26:13.740 You control it.
00:26:14.600 It's fine.
00:26:15.160 If it controls you, it'll burn everything down.
00:26:17.120 And we confused our love of the principles of our country with the love of and trust of
00:26:27.220 our government.
00:26:28.120 Trust the principles, not the government.
00:26:30.460 This is the best of the Glenn Beck program.
00:26:33.520 So, Tucker, what is it that, what if, you know, I think you're making points that I
00:26:46.200 understand, but the left intentionally is misunderstanding them and trying to direct the conversation into
00:26:53.820 places that you're not suggesting, what is the message that you want people to walk away with
00:27:04.360 this week?
00:27:05.180 What's the point of what you're doing?
00:27:08.240 That you're being lied to and that you deserve better.
00:27:12.020 Your government's not allowed to lie to you.
00:27:14.500 That's against the law.
00:27:15.760 They're not allowed to lie to you.
00:27:16.960 It's your government.
00:27:17.660 And you should demand better.
00:27:20.260 And I would say in a very specific way, I've alluded to it a couple of times, that for
00:27:24.640 people who are not, you know, supporters of President Biden, who think the system needs
00:27:31.920 reform, that it doesn't represent them, it doesn't serve their interests, those people
00:27:36.000 are Republican voters because they have no option.
00:27:38.700 They vote for the Republican Party.
00:27:40.100 There's no third party, a meaningful one.
00:27:41.620 And so very specifically, they have to demand more from their own representatives or else
00:27:48.120 democracy isn't real.
00:27:49.660 To representative democracy, that means your will is expressed through the votes of the
00:27:54.220 people you vote for to go to Washington on your behalf.
00:27:57.400 And that is absolutely not happening.
00:27:59.080 Their priorities are in a different universe from the priorities of their voters.
00:28:03.860 You don't see that on the left.
00:28:05.420 Democratic politicians make some effort to represent their own voters.
00:28:09.120 Republican politicians do not.
00:28:12.120 Mitch McConnell has zero interest in what you think about anything.
00:28:15.840 And that is a that's a structural problem with the party.
00:28:19.120 And I don't know what it like what the fix is.
00:28:23.400 I think part of the problem is that Republican voters don't like the donors don't like Republican
00:28:27.780 voters.
00:28:28.320 They clearly don't.
00:28:29.640 You know, and the biggest donors to the Republican Party think Republican voters are disgusting.
00:28:34.320 And that's that's a huge, huge problem.
00:28:36.460 That's not true on the other side.
00:28:37.680 So I don't know.
00:28:39.360 But, you know, there's kind of nothing you can do about Merrick Garland if you're your
00:28:43.420 average voter.
00:28:44.180 But if you're if you're a member of Congress, it's like not even bothering to listen to
00:28:50.140 what you care about.
00:28:51.260 You have a way to replace him.
00:28:52.660 It's called a primary.
00:28:54.040 And I don't know why that never happens.
00:28:55.860 I mean, I really don't understand.
00:28:57.580 I mean, Adam Kinzinger would still be serving in the Congress if he wasn't redistricted out
00:29:02.160 of his seat.
00:29:02.720 And like, what is that?
00:29:04.600 You know, with where the majority of Republican voters in his Illinois district on his side?
00:29:08.740 No, but he would have gotten reelected.
00:29:10.720 So there's a problem with our system.
00:29:12.360 And I hope that can be there.
00:29:15.540 This is the best of the Glenn Beck program.
00:29:17.520 And don't forget, rate us on iTunes.
00:29:19.940 We're with Tucker Carlson talking about what he's been talking about on television this
00:29:26.280 week with the January 6th commission.
00:29:31.500 You know, there's you know, when you watch the the Josh Hawley segment where they made
00:29:38.360 fun of him in the January 6th, you know, hearing and everybody's laughing at him.
00:29:45.380 That is so incredibly petty to selectively edit when, you know, everyone was running out
00:29:54.040 and he was one of the last to run out.
00:29:56.640 You just edit that sliver.
00:30:00.200 Why would they do something that?
00:30:02.840 I mean, why would they do that?
00:30:04.840 Because that's who they are and they can't help themselves.
00:30:09.260 And by the way, if it's just going to be like small ball Twitter level political theater
00:30:14.040 and they're just generating memes out of the Congress, OK, that's, you know, whatever,
00:30:18.080 that's fine.
00:30:19.140 But don't tell me it's 9-11 then.
00:30:21.520 Like, both things can't be true.
00:30:23.960 Do you know what I mean?
00:30:24.600 If it's like pissing on Josh Hawley, he's a coward, he's not really a man.
00:30:28.680 And like the party of gay rights is going to smear him by implying he's gay.
00:30:33.220 Like, the whole thing is so weird.
00:30:34.580 Anyway, but whatever, that's who they are.
00:30:37.180 They're low.
00:30:38.180 OK, fine.
00:30:38.980 But then you have the attorney general standing up and telling me that this was an assault
00:30:44.560 in our democracy and the FBI has to get involved.
00:30:47.220 Like, no, that's not allowed because you're degrading our core institutions when you do
00:30:52.760 that.
00:30:53.000 The attorney general of the United States got on television yesterday at a hearing and
00:30:56.880 said five Capitol police officers were murdered on January 6th.
00:31:00.640 Well, that's not true.
00:31:02.080 No Capitol police officers were murdered on January 6th.
00:31:04.520 And what were their names?
00:31:05.940 And where are the autopsy reports?
00:31:07.400 And like, how exactly did they die?
00:31:08.820 Why don't you tell us?
00:31:09.520 This is the attorney general.
00:31:10.780 This is not Eric Swalwell on MSNBC.
00:31:13.420 This is not Joy Reid, you know, freeballing into a commercial break.
00:31:17.820 This is the attorney general who commands the FBI.
00:31:20.960 Like, you can't talk like that.
00:31:22.420 That's crazy.
00:31:24.160 In February 21, you, I think, were the first to report that Bank of America was sharing
00:31:29.180 private customer information with federal law enforcement agencies regarding the banking
00:31:34.860 activity surrounding January 6th.
00:31:36.820 Well, now we find out from a whistleblower, it appears as though Bank of America volunteered
00:31:43.980 this information and even went so far as providing gun purchases dating back to 1991.
00:31:52.680 Bank of America, I guess they think they're too big to fail.
00:31:56.420 Maybe they are.
00:31:57.140 They ignore all questions from the media, including us.
00:32:03.120 I mean, at what point, as you said, when they were reading your texts, nobody's paying for
00:32:12.200 any of this.
00:32:12.920 At what point does the system just collapse on into some sort of a fascistic gulag?
00:32:22.600 Well, that's obviously their goal.
00:32:24.460 I mean, I don't, you know, and I hate overstatement.
00:32:26.740 I engage in it regularly because I get mad, you know, and I get over my skis, and my wife's
00:32:32.500 always telling me, just, you know, calm down, say a prayer, don't say things you don't mean,
00:32:36.140 and that's a very fair criticism.
00:32:38.160 But at some point, you have to kind of make rational judgments on the basis of available
00:32:43.700 evidence, and I don't see any limit to their designs.
00:32:47.880 I don't, what is the limiting principle here?
00:32:49.960 They don't believe in God.
00:32:51.060 They think they're God.
00:32:51.860 They are the final word in everything, in their view.
00:32:55.300 And so there's really no limit to what they can do to people who oppose them.
00:32:59.540 And they're, honestly, there has not been.
00:33:01.420 I mean, I guess the limit would be killing them, but taking away a man's freedom is tantamount
00:33:05.600 to killing them, and they've done that at scale.
00:33:07.720 So look, what they're doing is, I mean, one of the many effects, none of this happens in
00:33:12.420 a vacuum, is to turn kind of responsible systems supporting people like me into jittery
00:33:20.580 paranoids, right?
00:33:22.160 You're going to have a lot of people buying pallets of 7.62 steel case with Krugerrands.
00:33:27.280 Like, I'm almost there.
00:33:28.620 Like, why wouldn't I be at a certain point?
00:33:31.200 The banking system?
00:33:32.460 Like, Bank of America?
00:33:34.060 AP Giannini's bank from San Francisco, the town of my birth, is now turning you in for
00:33:38.980 buying a gun legally?
00:33:40.440 What?
00:33:41.420 Like, it can really, and I feel like I've been married to the same girl for 32 years.
00:33:45.600 I'm pretty stable in my personal life.
00:33:48.040 I'm not, you know, subject to flights of fancy.
00:33:50.300 And even I am feeling very kind of jumpy.
00:33:54.320 What about someone who isn't married and doesn't have kids and has got nothing to lose?
00:33:58.040 Like, you're creating crazy people by acting this way.
00:34:00.620 That is true.
00:34:01.740 And no one ever says that.
00:34:03.040 I'm surprised we don't have more horrifying acts of mass violence.
00:34:06.780 Like, we're creating Tim McVeigh's.
00:34:08.480 And I say that with deep sadness.
00:34:09.820 I don't want that.
00:34:11.040 I have to tell you that, you know, they keep talking about conspiracy theories.
00:34:14.940 The reason why there are conspiracy theories is because what they tell us continues to turn
00:34:21.320 out to be untrue, and then they silence everyone from even asking.
00:34:27.620 So, of course, the psychological result of that is, I got another theory that fits better.
00:34:36.060 Only transparency, only transparency heals that.
00:34:40.780 Let me ask you, when you got all the tapes, did Fox News, the news department, can they have access to that?
00:34:54.220 Would they get access to that?
00:34:56.020 Do you think, I mean, what do we do with these tapes now?
00:34:59.900 Because now it's your word against.
00:35:01.240 You know, that's a good question.
00:35:03.120 I can, you know, we work independently.
00:35:05.000 We work for the same company you've worked here, you know, but they really are in different silos.
00:35:10.280 I can say that no one from any news organization that I'm aware of, I can't speak for my producers,
00:35:15.880 but as far as I know, no one has ever, no one ever asked.
00:35:19.960 Can I ask right now?
00:35:22.020 Can I get access to those?
00:35:24.580 As far as I'm concerned, you can have access to whatever you want.
00:35:27.220 I mean, I personally think that everyone should have access to them.
00:35:29.680 Just, I'll put you in touch with my producer who's been dealing with the speaker's office for sure.
00:35:36.660 I mean, wait a minute.
00:35:37.460 So, so nobody, nobody from the news department, any news department contacted and said, hey, Tucker, what are you, what are you seeing?
00:35:47.340 What do you got?
00:35:48.840 Not one working journalist has texted me directly and everybody in the world, including my UPS delivery guy, has my text.
00:35:57.100 Nobody doesn't have my text.
00:35:58.580 I mean, I should just announce it on your show.
00:36:00.300 Everybody has my text.
00:36:01.860 So I am the easiest person to get in touch with.
00:36:04.460 I've had the same phone since 1995, the same phone number.
00:36:07.260 I never change it.
00:36:08.320 I respond to every text every day.
00:36:10.220 So I am not hard to get in touch with at all.
00:36:13.580 I'm not Colonel Kurtz up to Mekong, okay?
00:36:15.660 I'm just sitting in my backyard and nobody has reached, and I was in mainstream journalism for 25 years.
00:36:21.400 So I know everybody, nobody has asked me.
00:36:24.260 And instead, I'm getting all these texts like, I'm Sarah Ellison from the Washington Post.
00:36:29.600 Is it true that you suck?
00:36:30.880 You know, the White House has issued a statement today saying you're a white supremacist Nazi.
00:36:36.500 Would you care to comment?
00:36:39.060 And I just said I respond to every text every day.
00:36:41.440 I did not respond to Sarah Ellison or like all, you know, Dylan Beers or whatever his name is from Puck or whatever that is.
00:36:48.420 Like, you know, the only text I've gotten have been after they revealed that I'm Satan and then, like, what's your comment?
00:36:54.820 Can you comment on your, you know, moral decrepitude, Mr. Carlson?
00:36:59.660 That's amazing.
00:37:01.080 Amazing.
00:37:03.380 Tucker, I know that there has to be times that you feel very alone.
00:37:09.140 You're not.
00:37:10.200 There are millions.
00:37:10.900 And people used to say this to me, but I'm telling you, I know because it happened to me.
00:37:16.200 There are millions of people that are hearing what you're saying and getting the message.
00:37:21.560 And you are certainly not alone.
00:37:24.080 Don't ever feel that way.
00:37:26.060 Well, thank you, Glenn.
00:37:26.880 I feel blessed by that.
00:37:28.020 I feel that.
00:37:28.800 And I feel that.
00:37:31.240 Yeah, I do feel that.
00:37:33.020 And I feel people's prayers.
00:37:34.520 And I feel like there's always, it's like a physics principle, you know, there's always a reaction to a force.
00:37:42.600 And I do feel a lot of honesty and a lot of love, not named at me, but just in the atmosphere.
00:37:49.460 Like, there's something good happening, even as something bad has happened.
00:37:52.240 There is.
00:37:52.660 I really feel that.
00:37:53.480 Now, can I flip this around just a bit?
00:37:56.220 But I know that if I were you, I would have thought, I mean, I got them dead to rights here.
00:38:04.340 This is going to blow this whole thing up.
00:38:07.280 And there's going to be a lot of people, not everybody, but there will be a lot of people who may have been on the other side and were like, wait a minute, wait a minute.
00:38:15.280 Because this is so critical, you cannot live in a free society where the Justice Department is corrupt, the judges are corrupt, the media is corrupt, and the politicians are corrupt.
00:38:33.140 You cannot have a free society.
00:38:35.600 So everyone should be concerned about this.
00:38:38.560 Are you surprised at all that the reaction from everyone, it seems, in power?
00:38:50.540 I am surprised, but I also think this is foundational.
00:38:55.860 I mean, you know, we talk about a lot of different topics on the show, and some of them, I think, are really important and interesting, and they get no response and nobody cares.
00:39:04.620 You know, I always say this to my staff.
00:39:06.820 Like, we could get on the air tonight and say, you know, we really should invade Belgium, because those Walloons are just, like, they're loathsome people, and we should just put them all in camps. 1.00
00:39:15.000 And nobody would say a word.
00:39:16.820 If you say a word about Syria, holy smokes, like, they come to your house. 1.00
00:39:22.040 I don't know why is Syria, like, so essential to the system, but Belgium, a NATO ally in the middle of Europe, isn't.
00:39:29.340 I don't understand it.
00:39:30.720 All I know, I know their priorities by their reaction.
00:39:33.420 And January 6th, I came at it very ingenuously, like, wait, this wasn't an armed white supremacist insurrection.
00:39:41.240 You know, like, why are you saying that?
00:39:42.640 And the second I said that out loud, they went freaking crazy.
00:39:45.600 So I'm not, look, I can only guess.
00:39:48.680 There's so much I don't know.
00:39:49.920 I'm, like, feeling the outlines of something in a dark room.
00:39:53.100 But I know that if you press, this is an open wound for them.
00:39:56.800 And if you press it, all of a sudden you have all these Republicans attacking you.
00:40:01.360 It's like, what is that?
00:40:03.040 Aligning with Chuck Schumer.
00:40:04.420 Like, all of a sudden you've got Mitch McConnell and Chuck Schumer saying exactly the same thing.
00:40:08.960 Well, then that tells you, just through inductive reasoning, that this is the foundation of something that they're colluding on.
00:40:15.600 What is it?
00:40:16.160 I don't know.
00:40:16.880 I'll leave it to bigger minds to speculate.
00:40:18.880 But it's demonstrably real, right?
00:40:22.400 I mean, like, why would they buy?
00:40:23.680 I'm a freaking talk show host on a cable channel.
00:40:25.960 Like, who cares what I think?
00:40:27.420 And all of a sudden they're spending all this energy attacking me.
00:40:31.800 But, of course, it's not about me.
00:40:33.840 It's about the story.
00:40:34.940 That story is at the center of what they're doing and what they're planning, obviously.
00:40:41.700 And this is why the White House, this is just breaking, they are making it about you.
00:40:50.260 In comments shared first with Politico, the White House joined Republican Senate leaders who a day earlier assailed Carlson's broadcast of selected assault footage
00:41:01.140 as being filled with offensive and misleading conclusions.
00:41:06.360 We agree with the chief of the Capitol Police and the wide range of bipartisan lawmakers who have condemned this false depiction of the unprecedented violent attack on our Constitution and rule of law,
00:41:19.120 which cost police officers their lives.
00:41:22.160 We also agree with Fox News' own attorneys and executives who have now repeatedly stressed in multiple courts of law that Tucker Carlson is just not credible.
00:41:36.500 Oh, well, it does sound, Glenn, like everyone's against me.
00:41:46.400 But I don't, you know, from my perspective, it's really not about me.
00:41:51.240 It's about what actually happened.
00:41:53.960 And I continue to think that I'm, you know, I've always been, not always, but as I've aged, I've been willing and I want to be willing to admit my own flaws and my own sins, you know, my own inherent crappiness as a person.
00:42:11.240 I'll admit that.
00:42:12.380 I think it's important to admit that.
00:42:14.100 I agree.
00:42:14.320 But I, but in this case, it's not about me.
00:42:18.960 It's about the lies that they're telling.
00:42:22.200 And that's just true.
00:42:24.080 And I have no, look, obviously this isn't helping me.
00:42:29.800 Why am I doing this to get richer?
00:42:33.120 I mean, I know a lot of, I know all the talk show hosts, I know everybody right in our business as you do too.
00:42:37.780 And a lot of them are just like, I'm going to take a pass on that and just like get mad about tax rates or whatever, whatever it is, whatever the story that you can safely push and other, you know, and play the partisan, the silly partisan game.
00:42:52.860 But this is not about partisanship.
00:42:54.880 It's not about parties.
00:42:56.020 It's not about ideology, even it's about power.
00:42:59.000 And, and I just feel like for the short time I'm on earth and for however long I have my current job, I should be as honest as I can possibly be and focus on the issues that actually matter.
00:43:10.620 That's how I feel about it.
00:43:11.920 And I really mean that.
00:43:12.760 Well, obviously I mean that, you know, how is it going to end for me?
00:43:15.860 What you think?
00:43:16.280 I don't know.
00:43:18.140 I know.
00:43:19.200 So Tucker, listen, listen to me.
00:43:22.600 Yeah.
00:43:22.720 You are doing amazing work.
00:43:30.080 As long as you continue to stay tethered in reality and with God and you speak the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, you are, you are going to have, I think, divine protection around you.
00:43:44.660 And as someone who has been literally in your place, I will always have your back.
00:43:51.620 Thank you, Glenn.
00:43:52.380 And I'm grateful for that.
00:43:53.280 And it's funny, as soon as this stuff started to happen to me, I mean, even years ago, I was like, you know what?
00:43:58.320 I have a very different opinion of Glenn Beck.
00:44:00.820 Like I got it.
00:44:02.460 No, I'm serious.
00:44:03.580 I'm serious.
00:44:04.280 Thank you.
00:44:04.760 In a good way.
00:44:05.700 In a good way.
00:44:06.440 Thank you.
00:44:07.220 God bless.
00:44:07.800 I know what you're saying, man.
00:44:08.740 God bless.
00:44:09.160 Thank you.
00:44:09.640 You bet.
00:44:09.960 Bye-bye.
00:44:10.180 Bye-bye.