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00:00:07.380 than i would be yeah yep i really like the fake he was on today's podcast i really like him yeah

00:00:14.840 for sure i think we had a an interesting week with the candidates interesting to see how people

00:00:18.520 react to a conversation about this because we've been through a bunch of primaries now

00:00:22.900 show together and people get really pissed off when you say anything positive or negative about

00:00:29.600 any of the candidates because that a lot of people take it personally they say like well

00:00:33.860 that means you don't like my guy or that means you you're attacking my guy it's like i think our

00:00:39.460 approach should be look let's hear from everybody i want to hear from your own decisions i i like

00:00:44.560 the vague but ben have you heard me put anybody through the ringer like that i mean i asked him

00:00:49.480 every tough question uh you know about the world economic forum and everything else sure um and

00:00:55.860 that's the way it should be if you're asking questions we'll ask them but i'm in for whoever

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00:02:16.020 gade kaminsky is an investigative reporter for the washington examiner and he has been on the

00:02:24.840 program just recently he was on i think a couple of weeks ago to talk about the british group that is

00:02:30.280 fighting disinformation um and making a blacklist of conservative media well he has a new story that

00:02:39.000 has just dropped today and that is um uh a story on james comer demanding records from the state

00:02:48.460 department and their funding of the uh of the group of blacklisting conservatives this is an amazing

00:02:55.400 story to think that our state department has funded an effort to uh stop advertising on programs like

00:03:07.820 and truly including mine um my tax dollars are going to hurt my own business it is incredible

00:03:17.820 welcome uh to the program gabe how are you hi glenn thanks for having me so tell me the

00:03:25.380 latest twist in this what's happening the latest twist is following the national endowment for

00:03:32.060 democracy a state department backed entity announcing it will no longer provide future

00:03:37.960 resources to the global disinformation index today representative james comer chairman of the

00:03:43.880 house oversight and accountability committee has sent a letter to the state department and

00:03:48.580 it's secretary antony blinken uh and he's demanding uh documents in connection to funding of the global

00:03:55.580 disinformation index by march 9th he's also demanding a briefing by the state department no later than

00:04:02.500 march 2nd so this is just the latest development in republicans in congress beginning to investigate

00:04:08.100 this funding um explain to people why this matters so much

00:04:13.940 you know what we've uncovered through our series disinformation inc in the washington examiner

00:04:20.940 is how the u.s department of state has been funding an organization called the global disinformation

00:04:27.500 index which has been secretly feeding and compiling blacklists uh of conservative news websites

00:04:34.780 and feeding those to advertising companies with the intent of uh shutting down those websites places

00:04:40.900 trying to dictate where you can read and get your information places like the blaze the daily wire the

00:04:46.440 washington examiner and certainly your radio show glenn uh and so what we found is that the state

00:04:51.680 department is funding that group the global disinformation index uh which has raised pretty pretty big red

00:04:57.340 flags among first amendment lawyers have you seen the story um about the um google effort called jigsaw

00:05:06.880 i'm not familiar now okay you you should look into this as part of your series because you're so good

00:05:14.840 at your investigative reporting um there is a story out now about jigsaw and and what's bothered me was

00:05:24.660 you know bing and everybody else immediately jumping on the bandwagon saying oh my gosh we had no idea

00:05:31.000 that global initiative that was huh we had no we're not going to use that anymore there's a story out now

00:05:37.940 about um uh pre-bunking instead of debunking pre-bunking and google is using a device that they have

00:05:49.400 um put together uh called jigsaw and it is going to um push things out uh to let me see if i can get the uh

00:06:00.960 uh but uh the way they have said this is in is absolutely incredible um it is not just going to expose

00:06:12.120 false claims it relies on quote conditioning individuals to view certain types of arguments

00:06:20.960 as fake news even before they encounter them that sounds a little spooky

00:06:26.900 yeah i will say that that does sound spooky and i i'll tell you what clen that sounds very similar to

00:06:33.480 uh what we've unpacked at the global disinformation index because they've been identifying disinformation

00:06:39.200 as not merely fraudulent or false uh information but actually opinion articles that they disagree with

00:06:46.980 and so for example they've been flagging washington examiner pieces that are based on

00:06:51.960 research that are commentary is disinformation so certainly the movement has morphed into this uh

00:06:58.040 disagreement with ideas you don't like you know it's really really unbelievable gabe thank you so

00:07:03.580 much for uh all of your work and this story just broke just a few minutes ago you can find it at the

00:07:09.220 washington examiner if you're not reading the washington examiner every day you're missing out it is a must

00:07:14.500 read um uh website thank you so much gabe appreciate it thanks glenn you bet bye-bye

00:07:21.960 um he's an investigative reporter has been looking at all of this disinformation um and i i mean my tax

00:07:30.600 dollars my tax dollars are being put to use to silence me i mean it's incredible and by the way it's not

00:07:41.740 the first time it's happened to you which congrats yeah uh but this is a totally new type of effort

00:07:49.340 it's it is the first time it's not the first time people have gone after me yeah but if you remember

00:07:54.500 right the press had no interest in uh when the white house had organized three or four separate uh

00:08:05.620 attempts outside of the white house but all from within the white house right like it was you know 0.86

00:08:13.180 it was people who worked in the white house and they had side organizations that were coming after

00:08:18.420 you i guess it's a little bit different yeah it's a little different um but they had been doing that

00:08:22.800 and nobody paid attention to that no one cared uh nobody cared now but this is the first time and

00:08:28.620 this is all of government approach this is what joe biden is doing it's all government approach

00:08:35.840 to stopping whatever it is they want to stop yeah and so they'll use and find all of the levers in

00:08:43.380 all of these different agencies i mean i wouldn't be surprised to see if the usda was you know uh

00:08:50.400 working against energy or working against disinformation or whatever it is yeah and it's it's it ties into

00:08:57.700 what we've been talking about the last couple of weeks where the disinformation police if you will

00:09:02.080 is something that actually could have value to society especially right now where we're going

00:09:10.240 into a world where ai and deep fakes and and voice replication and all these things are coming

00:09:15.900 and having institutions that could sift through this for us and let us know when something was real

00:09:22.320 and was something wasn't would be truly valuable if it wasn't being done like this if we could have

00:09:28.920 trust in these institutions at media sources government all of these things that are supposed

00:09:34.700 scientists health officials all these people are supposed to be around to help us go through this

00:09:41.340 stuff and figure out what's real and what isn't instead what's happened is they've pre-bunked the

00:09:47.720 whole process correct they've come up with they've made everyone not believe the fact-checking process

00:09:53.000 before these crucial moments occur and now no one knows where to turn well i think it's really it's

00:10:00.400 becoming easier you know anything that the networks are telling you is most likely at least slanted

00:10:10.180 but very well possibly false okay you can't this is the thing on um the same thing with putin and uh

00:10:19.280 ukraine more than one thing can be true okay so uh i don't like putin however what putin said in his

00:10:30.340 speech some of some of it was very true so it doesn't and by saying that that doesn't make me a supporter

00:10:38.360 of putin okay um there's there's another option putin is right about these things wrong about other

00:10:48.240 things that doesn't make me have to choose between putin or biden i don't want biden leading a war in

00:10:58.700 ukraine i like the people of ukraine i don't like the government of ukraine because it's absolutely

00:11:04.800 corrupt i don't like the government of the united states because it appears to be absolutely corrupt

00:11:10.540 i don't like the government of russia it appears to be absolutely corrupt so i don't have to pick

00:11:17.320 sides i can say i like and support the people but i don't support any of those governments i don't

00:11:24.340 support any of them in the war none i don't want my money going there i don't want it uh you know

00:11:30.860 going against putin and i don't want a a nuclear war on putin last night i did a special on the effects

00:11:39.980 of nuclear war and it was really eye-opening because we really don't take it seriously at all

00:11:47.460 anymore because we all learn that nah this is that's not good hey you can't win in that war but there

00:11:57.180 was something in last night's special right towards the beginning that i thought was so important

00:12:02.600 and that is the idea that this is the first time and think of this this is the first time that uh

00:12:13.980 two nuclear superpowers russia and the united states would be facing off face to face we've always fought

00:12:25.480 through proxies like it's happening right now but russia is now saying that we are we have uh um

00:12:34.680 perpetrated the nordstrom pipeline explosion which a crime against humanity war crimes okay and we're 0.63

00:12:42.660 saying war crimes against them and they are also saying that uh by us being there and spending so much

00:12:52.540 money and doing all this and giving them advice we're directly engaging we are also saying that

00:12:59.680 the only way that we're going to end this is if putin and his regime is gone so it's regime change

00:13:06.480 he is saying that it's either us or them because i'm not going anywhere so if they defeat they'll defeat

00:13:17.040 our entire system so they cannot win the united states is trying to destroy us they're trying to

00:13:24.660 destroy us we're trying to destroy them okay that's never happened since we had nuclear missiles it's

00:13:32.740 never happened we've never gone toe to toe face to face and it's always been about another issue it

00:13:39.200 hasn't been i'm gonna topple you that's what makes this nuclear uh flashpoint different than all of the

00:13:49.940 other flashpoints it's always been about something else but now both sides are on record crimes against

00:14:00.060 humanity regime change that's what if we got into a war and we know we knew putin 0.74

00:14:08.940 was winning and it meant the end of nato and possibly the end of america

00:14:15.400 would we consider using nukes it means the end of us and the end of europe

00:14:23.820 i think we would if they are losing and they feel like that's the end of russia and they're going to

00:14:34.720 be taken over by nato will they use nukes yeah i think the answer is yes

00:14:40.740 that's the biggest thing you need to understand about this i still don't think that it's a reality

00:14:47.540 that it will happen i do think that when you have the understanding that both sides are backing each

00:14:55.640 other into a corner and they're both calling for the decapitation of those systems both sides

00:15:03.640 you're in a different world that's and you're right i mean it's never happened it seems to me the

00:15:11.740 the best way to avoid this is going to sound very basic but the best way to avoid this escalating

00:15:18.860 is for the current president to be voted out of office and someone else being in control of those

00:15:24.020 decisions if we can make it that long yeah and that's still you know still still two years away

00:15:28.900 two years away two years away a year and a half i guess

00:15:31.420 this is the best of the glenbeck program

00:15:38.300 brad garrett is joining us hi brad how are you sir good morning glen i'm doing great how are you

00:15:48.860 i'm i'm good i um i'm shocked at the number that there's only 3.7 million americans that would

00:15:55.780 consider themselves preppers i would have thought that was at least five percent ten percent you know

00:16:03.500 i i think that i think that number is a bit misleading because uh a lot of people don't want

00:16:08.440 to identify themselves as preppers so i think that you know that's a that's a problem with polling

00:16:13.460 right because if you if you ask people if you switch that question around you say um you know

00:16:19.940 can you survive for 30 days on your own like imagine there's no government infrastructure

00:16:25.980 you know water's down power's down there's no grocery stores if you ask people the question that

00:16:31.300 way then about uh 11.7 million people say that they can survive for 30 days so um i i think it's a

00:16:40.240 problem of labeling you know just like in the past people didn't want to be called survivalists

00:16:44.620 people now don't want to be called preppers it has a kind of uh you know negative taking on a

00:16:49.300 negative connotation for some reason you know it's it used to just be called self-reliance

00:16:53.840 are you self-reliant yeah um yeah of course yeah 150 years ago everyone is self-reliant right

00:17:01.100 we've become we've become increasingly dependent on the state um and less dependent on our neighbors

00:17:06.940 which i think is the bigger problem you know i i because i consider myself uh well actually i i go

00:17:15.460 back and forth i consider myself a prepper because i'm more prepared than most of my friends um however

00:17:20.320 i i just know there's going to be something like oh crap i forgot batteries there's going to be

00:17:25.120 something that it all falls apart you know what i mean um absolutely there's always something uh but

00:17:30.640 you know this is why um i spent a lot of time in in uh salt lake city when i was writing my

00:17:36.340 my book bunker um and the uh church of latter-day saints up there and they are incredible preppers

00:17:43.960 and they run through scenarios all the time so they will uh you know they'll practice an emergency

00:17:51.080 they'll work through their food stores they practice calling everyone on their phone chain

00:17:55.100 making sure their neighbors are available in the event of a disaster that's what we should all be doing

00:17:58.860 you know if you do a dry run then you realize what you're lacking um were you allowed into the

00:18:04.880 tunnels underneath salt lake no i tried you should have called me i could have maybe gotten you in

00:18:12.180 it's it's it's incredible yeah it's absolutely incredible um the they have enough food uh storage and

00:18:22.960 everything else for the entire city in case there's a problem it's really incredible really

00:18:28.700 incredible that's fantastic i have to say it was the easiest part of writing my book you know a lot

00:18:32.640 of a lot of preppers particularly preppers that are building um high level luxury private bunkers

00:18:39.040 uh did not want people to necessarily know where they were or what was inside them but when i showed

00:18:45.820 up in salt lake city i they they were they were open arms for the most part you know just let me into

00:18:51.120 all of their facilities i saw the the canning facilities where they would they fill those number

00:18:56.100 10 cans with pasta and oatmeal and everything else and that was it was it was it was quite a thing but

00:19:01.500 yeah i didn't make it to the tunnels um tell me since we have had this nuclear uh warning um

00:19:10.200 it's my understanding that there are countries russia is one of them i think switzerland is one i think

00:19:16.140 the united kingdom is one where they are going back and looking at their old cold war bunkers and 0.77

00:19:22.500 in in switzerland i believe that they're being mandated by government you've got to go update the

00:19:29.960 food and water in them is that true that is true yeah and i mean it's it's kind of ironic that the

00:19:36.940 the bunkers that were built by the soviet union in ukraine have been sheltering people and saving

00:19:41.440 probably tens of thousands of lives at this point um but that has encouraged the rest of europe to sort

00:19:48.160 of reassess their their position in terms of bunkers um switzerland is is uh the most protected

00:19:54.620 country on earth aside from maybe north korea but we have no idea what's what's going on really um

00:20:00.880 so uh there is space for um 102 percent of the population uh which is which is kind of astounding

00:20:10.660 you know they've actually got uh 300 000 private bunkers uh inside switzerland and then 5 000 public

00:20:18.440 shelters and most of those are um not just fallout shelters but blast shelters so those those are

00:20:25.700 nuclear biological and chemical filtered uh shelters that the population can take take shelter in and

00:20:32.720 you know there's actually enough space that if someone was visiting uh you know the tourists could

00:20:37.440 end up in those bunkers as well that is crazy um so where are we on the scale of these western nations

00:20:46.260 and nations that would be affected by this nuclear threat um where are we in taking it seriously

00:20:53.700 and as a government and preparing people for it absolutely terrible i mean the u.s and uk are probably at

00:21:03.680 the bottom of the list in terms of preparations um and that goes back in the united states to the cold war

00:21:10.220 so there was a uh a team of nuclear strategists that included uh herman kahn that thought about what

00:21:18.360 what what it would take to um he wrote this amazing book on her nuclear war i have a copy of it it's

00:21:25.040 great absolutely incredible but he ran he ran these scenarios about what it would take to um evacuate

00:21:33.940 the the u.s population into bunkers if there were to be an all-out nuclear exchange

00:21:39.360 and the the cost of construction of those bunkers essentially exceeded gdp of the country

00:21:45.420 for a year yeah so that's that's why the um kennedy administration i think it was in 63

00:21:53.120 kennedy made the speech where he basically said uh you know it it's the responsibility of of each person

00:22:00.780 each family each community to take preparation upon yourselves and that's the path that we've been

00:22:06.520 going down since then and what i think what frustrates a lot of americans is that we now

00:22:11.380 know that as that speech was being made the government was hard at work constructing bunkers

00:22:17.240 for themselves for their families for their for their aides so you know we we have a model in the

00:22:23.140 united states and also in the uk where if you're a politician if you're um a ceo if you're uh you know

00:22:32.140 someone with influence and power you're probably going to get space in a bunker but everyone else

00:22:36.440 is is you know left out to dry and the so so that is has triggered in the united states this incredible

00:22:44.400 movement in the last 10 years or so of um private citizens building their own bunkers and some of

00:22:51.200 these even rival uh the government bunkers that were built during the cold war so why did you write

00:22:57.540 this book are you i mean do you are you feeling we're going to need bunkers or what what what was

00:23:04.600 your motivation here well i the bunker is really a metaphor um for thinking about our deteriorating

00:23:13.940 geopolitical situation thinking about our our deteriorating you know um uh just uh uh social

00:23:22.100 situation within the country right um i when i when i began writing the book i was interested

00:23:30.280 interested in the topic from a sociological perspective i wanted to know who the private

00:23:35.780 players were that were building these bunkers what they were worried about and um and whether there

00:23:41.960 was any credence to it and um i have since i wrote the book purchased the cabin in the woods

00:23:49.280 and a five acre ranch i've got two different locations that are connected by a four-wheel

00:23:54.780 diet four-wheel drive dirt track so i can move between them without going on on major roads um i

00:24:01.440 most of the people that i spoke to who were serious about their preparations told me um that

00:24:08.580 uh the the concerns that they had weren't just speculative right that they felt we were on the

00:24:16.940 precipice of something happening and keep in mind i started writing this book in 2017 i finished it

00:24:22.280 in 2021 um so uh i had a lot of interviews with people telling me that that a pandemic was inevitable

00:24:30.260 that we were overdue for one that they happened with regularity every hundred years or so right and

00:24:36.700 then it happened and so that that made me go back and reassess all the other things that people

00:24:43.140 were telling me that seemed slightly conspiratorial um or like like some kind of magical thinking

00:24:51.280 and then when i went and reassessed those claims they seemed to hold a lot more weight than i expected

00:24:56.920 them to yeah and so you became you became one of us anyway sorry about that brad but i think i but

00:25:07.260 but i think to your point you know it's you know we're just going back to an earlier time or it's

00:25:11.820 yes it's taking on a different kind of mindset where you can't just get on amazon and click a button and

00:25:16.760 get the thing you need tomorrow you need to have it now because you might not be able to get it when

00:25:22.960 things go wrong and so um yeah i think it's just it's just a kind of uh changing up our mindset a

00:25:29.320 little bit to think about uh what our position might be in the future and it might be a little more

00:25:34.660 super curious this is the best of the glenn beck program

00:25:40.340 vivek ramaswamy is uh on with us you know you could have told me give me a better clue we just

00:25:51.640 talked i think it was on friday it said are you thinking about running for president you're like

00:25:56.380 i'm thinking about it come on you knew you knew glenn i think i said i was very seriously

00:26:04.400 considering i talked about every possible hint i could have on the show no i mean we hung up and

00:26:09.780 i said on the air he's running he's absolutely running yeah come on i did agree yeah i know

00:26:14.320 exactly uh so uh vivek first of all um you are not known as a politician or somebody who's ever

00:26:24.260 done this you're known as a ceo we'll get into some of that what is it that your platform look i mean

00:26:30.360 like on with russia what what would you do as president with what we're going through now

00:26:36.340 in ukraine i think foreign policy is all about prioritization glenn i would not spend another

00:26:43.820 dollar on ukraine i would reprioritize that to take on the number one foreign policy challenge

00:26:49.340 which is declaration of independence from communist china i think we can declare economic independence

00:26:56.360 and defeat them economically so we don't have to militarily that's number one and then number two

00:27:01.840 if there's a use case for the u.s military and weapons it is actually to protect our border and to

00:27:07.400 take on and i would go so far as to say decimate the cartels 100 000 fentanyl deaths in the united

00:27:13.720 states today 80 of which comes from southern border crossings deal with that protect our soil here

00:27:20.740 we could do that for a fraction glenn of the cost that it takes to you know fight a foreign war

00:27:27.300 somewhere on the other side of the world that has far fewer american interests tied to it i was in

00:27:31.500 new hampshire yesterday and actually one of the things that surprises me glenn is how broad the

00:27:35.220 support for that idea for those foreign policy prompts is oh yeah and it's amazing to me that the

00:27:39.960 defense establishment doesn't you know it says you can't say that in polite company but that gives you

00:27:44.520 a sense for where i am on foreign policy so let me ask you vivek i mean the donald trump was an

00:27:49.360 outsider he came in and he's told me several times personally he had no idea he knew it was bad but he

00:27:56.320 had no idea that he wouldn't be able to trust a soul in washington he had no idea how deep the deep state

00:28:04.320 was and how powerful it was what makes you think you could go in and rock everyone's world well he's

00:28:13.880 told me the same thing and he's a friend and honestly i take inspiration from what he did in 2015

00:28:18.740 i just think we got to take this to the next level part of this is going to have to be just

00:28:24.040 involving shutting agencies down full stop now are there costs and benefits to that yes but i think

00:28:30.760 we live in a moment where the benefits outweigh those costs so what when you say shut agencies

00:28:36.060 down what agencies are you talking about department of education let's start there i was speaking to

00:28:42.400 the iowa legislature this morning congratulating them for what they did school choice in iowa i said we

00:28:46.700 need to eliminate the federal department of education but many other three-letter acronyms

00:28:50.760 even much of the national security apparatus glenn has to be shut down and replaced in those cases with

00:28:55.960 something new because when a managerial rot runs so deep you can't reform it by putting a different

00:29:01.420 figurehead at the top you have to shut it down and build something new to take its place and here's

00:29:06.840 the other thing i mean i could say this donald trump knows this just as well as i do from being a ceo

00:29:10.360 if you can't fire somebody who works for you that means they don't work for you it means you work for

00:29:16.480 them you are their slave we need to replace these civil service protections with sunset clauses saying 0.89

00:29:22.860 that you know what if i can't be the next president united states and work for the federal government for

00:29:26.880 more than eight years then neither should anybody who works for me either those federal bureaucrats got

00:29:32.120 to be subject to eight-year sunset clauses how are you going to get that done i mean you have to have

00:29:36.720 you have to have a congress that has the balls to do these things and i'm not sure you have the

00:29:42.180 congress on either side of the aisle you got a few asking all the right questions right so i take a

00:29:49.100 strong view of the constitution here article two of the constitution says that the president of the

00:29:54.200 united states runs the federal government period so if congress isn't willing to act as president i am

00:30:00.460 and i have studied the supreme court and the composition of the supreme court right now you want to

00:30:05.520 take this one and test it in the supreme court with me great we can then use judicial precedent

00:30:09.640 to make sure that we lock that in i believe that clarence thomas and others on the court today

00:30:15.420 will be right there with me on my view of article two and how that reads in the constitution to say

00:30:21.180 that a lot of these other constant quasi unconstitutional statutes from the impoundment

00:30:26.700 prevention act of 1974 that says that actually the fact that the president has to spend money on

00:30:31.800 specific agencies that congress has actually authorized it to have to spend on that's

00:30:36.000 authorization not a mandate firing and civil service protections as i said if you're running

00:30:40.260 the federal government under article to the constitution the president runs the executive

00:30:44.300 branch i take the constitution seriously and you know what i think the friendly way to do it is to

00:30:49.200 lead congress i personally think that 2024 can actually be a landslide election glennam

00:30:53.820 the separate topic for another day i'm optimistic about that but if we don't get it done that way

00:30:58.760 we will get it done through executive authority per what the constitution empowers a president to

00:31:04.640 do this is what again i talk about america first i'm all in as an america first conservative

00:31:08.900 we've just got to take this to the next level with what i repeatedly am now calling america first

00:31:14.460 2.0 and that's a big part of the reason i'm doing this so why did you change you said you were

00:31:19.740 libertarian why why did you decide you were a conservative over a libertarian i used to be a

00:31:27.500 libertarian college actually i had this discussion with folks in new hampshire yesterday too

00:31:31.500 there was a you know a couple libertarians that came to one of my uh one of my rallies last night

00:31:35.740 but here's the here's the thing libertarians i got two issues one is they're too meek actually so

00:31:42.840 they'll talk about the free market and they say they don't want to make political expression of

00:31:46.380 civil right as i believe we need to in this country yet they don't actually touch the other

00:31:50.780 protected classes like race or sex or religion or national origin and so my view is these libertarians

00:31:55.760 today with all due respect have their heads in the sand because you can't have it both ways

00:31:59.960 that's problem number one but problem number two is deeper which is you know what do we do in that

00:32:05.580 free world even when the state's out of our hair there's still the deeper question of purpose as a

00:32:10.300 citizen how we live our lives how we live virtuous lives and i care about virtue in civic life and in

00:32:17.200 family life and in faith-based life too not to say that the government necessarily should be involved

00:32:21.900 or mandating those things but those things matter for human flourishing for american flourishing

00:32:26.060 and libertarianism has nothing to say about that that is why i call myself a conservative today

00:32:30.440 in contrast to 15 years ago when i thought i was a cool kid in college calling myself a libertarian

00:32:34.320 so we're talking to vivek ramaswamy he is running for president united states as a republican

00:32:39.460 we've gotten to know each other over uh the world economic forum and esg and you are not only

00:32:46.940 one of the biggest voices against it um you're actually you've put into action strive uh management

00:32:56.320 where you are saying invest with us we'll do better with your money than you know black rock and we're

00:33:03.220 going to use the voting rights that we get to try to tell these companies don't do these woke uh things

00:33:12.300 um but there's some charges out about you that i just like to hear you answer um you were nominated

00:33:20.620 and selected as a world economic forum young global leader in 21

00:33:26.040 did what this is hilarious okay thank you for this opportunity this is actually a lot of fun for me

00:33:33.580 look part of the politics i mean a lot of people on the left and on the right who were threatened by my

00:33:38.340 entry into this race so i welcome the opportunity to have this debate in the open all right

00:33:42.280 i think you know this i don't like to boast about myself but i would go so far as to say no one and

00:33:47.120 i mean no one in this country has been a bigger both doer and crusader against the world economic

00:33:53.260 forum agenda than probably the two of us on this call i would challenge somebody to name i really

00:33:58.360 mean it i would challenge anybody to name one for me if you really pressed me i would name maybe elon

00:34:04.600 musk and guess what he's named on that same website of the world economic forum somebody else

00:34:09.900 financially friend peter teal he's been named on that same website you want to know why

00:34:14.180 here's the dirty little secret though and i've seen this firsthand i experienced it firsthand the

00:34:18.340 world economic forum names you on their website without your permission so the funny part is i

00:34:23.500 have a book coming out later this year where i actually detail this experience i have phone calls

00:34:27.820 emails and i was respectful about it i believe in being civil but i said do not name me on your

00:34:32.400 website because i do not accept your award i don't want to speak at your conference they tell me

00:34:37.360 oh no no you misunderstand we have all the global billionaires here mark mark zuckerberg was a young

00:34:42.280 global fellow they give me the list of names no no no vivek you don't understand this is an honor

00:34:46.220 i respectfully disagree i don't want to be named and i don't accept your award and then they go on

00:34:52.880 to put my name on their website anyway now they asked they've asked me to speak there and that kind

00:34:57.380 of thing i declined but the funny thing about me and i'm learning a little bit about how this

00:35:01.120 partisan politics game works you know trump spoke at the world economic forum in davos in 2018 and

00:35:06.740 2019 do i hold that against him no you don't know why because everyone who's as financially successful

00:35:12.840 as me or donald trump or or elon musk or whoever else gets invited to speak in my case i said no

00:35:17.980 because this has been my focus area it would not have made sense for me to do it trump's case he

00:35:22.400 said yes i don't hold that against him but i think it just reveals you know one of the things

00:35:26.280 that's been eye-opening to me about the online version of the conservative movement is the rise

00:35:31.860 of these clickbait conservatives that it's sort of sad want to mislead their own followers to advance

00:35:37.880 what agenda i don't know but at the end of the day i also don't want to complain about it we're in the

00:35:42.380 big leagues of presidential politics this is the you know we all know it's a dirty game but it's good

00:35:46.940 to it's good to keep your eye on the fact well i i can i can verify opponent of this agenda than me

00:35:52.000 i can verify one thing um the world economic forum has me on a list too and they won't take me off

00:35:59.260 that list either so it's just not the same kind of list i know um so the next thing is that you have

00:36:08.640 a long time association with soros and i'm probably the number one anti-soros guy in the world

00:36:17.960 can i give you a one-word answer to that

00:36:22.000 question glenn i know you're the number one anti-soros guy so i'm not saying false to you

00:36:25.940 i'm saying false to the long time association with george soros yeah lie 100% lie now let me let me

00:36:32.240 let me actually give you guys the facts and again this these clickbait conservatives online i don't

00:36:38.480 know if you know they feel threatened or whatever and they need to they need to make up stuff i was 25

00:36:44.000 years old when i went to law school i got a scholarship funded by paul soros not george soros but paul

00:36:50.300 soros that allowed me at the age of 25 to pay for law school and i took it you want to know why

00:36:55.500 because i'm smart now it's hilarious to me that the same people who bring that fact up from when i

00:37:00.360 was 25 years old taking a scholarship funded partially by somebody who's related to george

00:37:04.460 soros don't say a word about the fact that again donald trump who i love who i respect i'm not

00:37:09.780 criticizing him took 160 million dollar loan from not paul soros but george soros himself i have no

00:37:15.360 problem with it you want to know why because it's business donald trump knows what he's doing

00:37:19.400 i don't think he's corrupted by that i'm not criticizing him for it he's a friend but i think

00:37:24.280 it's funny and i think it's revealing that these same people will talk about a 25 year old kid taking

00:37:29.400 a scholarship to help him pay for law school from a relative of george soros make a big deal out of

00:37:34.000 that without saying a peep about donald trump taking 160 million dollar loan for george soros and i say

00:37:39.520 that as a friend of somebody who respects donald trump because i don't think that that disqualifies

00:37:43.760 him or taints him in any way because he's a man of integrity and he's doing business the way he

00:37:47.580 knows how but you know i think that when you're in positions like i've been or donald trump's been

00:37:51.600 you get that i think if you're you know sitting on online all day on twitter it can be a very

00:37:55.640 different story all right i've got one more question on uh in this line here um and that is

00:38:00.900 you're a you're a biotech guy and in bed with big pharmaceuticals and and a big proponent of uh mrna shots

00:38:10.780 and uh you know you you've you have uh you you've never critiqued pfizer

00:38:18.280 so let me let me let me say a couple things first of those things is true i'm a biotech guy

00:38:25.380 i'm proud of my success in biotech then five of the medicines i worked on personally oversaw

00:38:31.940 in the company that i founded are fda approved products today that is now a multi-billion dollar

00:38:37.040 company a seven billion dollar company that i led as ceo one of those drugs is a drug for prostate

00:38:41.820 cancer another for women's health conditions from endometriosis to uterine fibroids to psoriasis to

00:38:48.240 one that's particularly touching for me it's an approved therapy for kids who were born with a

00:38:53.600 genetic disease that caused them to die by the age of two at a hundred percent fatality rate by the age

00:38:58.540 of two or three now a majority of them have an opportunity to live lives of potentially a normal

00:39:02.980 duration i'm proud of those things glenn i will not apologize for it that is part of what makes

00:39:07.000 america great and is part of what makes innovation great is it empowers human beings to live better

00:39:11.880 lives that is not a an association with anything other than human innovation and a commitment to

00:39:18.600 actually making people prosper by addressing diseases and treating them now the idea that i am

00:39:24.260 a proponent of some sort of vaccination agenda no i am i'm on the record right now i oppose vaccine

00:39:30.520 mandates i think that there has been a lot of rampant government lying and mistrust appropriately so to

00:39:37.400 the american public because of how badly they handled this issue but i think we can't go to a place

00:39:42.600 where we say that now we don't want people working on innovative medicines to treat diseases from

00:39:46.920 prostate cancer to psoriasis to genetic conditions in children no i think that we ought to stand up for

00:39:53.160 the innovation that makes us who we are and i'm proud of what i accomplished uh let me go back to your

00:39:58.040 platform a good friend of ours david uh harsany uh has a pushback a bit on one of your platform

00:40:04.360 policies like to hear your response yeah some i think respectful questioning about one of your question

00:40:08.840 uh one of your policy proposals vake about making political ideas uh protected right i think there's a

00:40:14.960 lot of appeal to conservatives who continually get fired from their jobs over what they believe

00:40:19.400 uh he he says though you're we could have some negative side effects he says your idea

00:40:25.000 would potentially make it illegal for not only for disney to fire a social conservative but for a

00:40:30.280 jewish restaurant to sever its relationship with any nazi or a hedge fund would be compelled to keep

00:40:35.480 a trotskyite who believe profits are evil on the payroll or walmart having to wait for the worker who

00:40:40.760 spends his days trying to put big box chains out of business to leave on his own volition how do you

00:40:46.280 walk this line because obviously there is a lot of really negative consequences coming from this but

00:40:50.920 does if we make this a civil right does it go too far great question these are the kinds of things

00:40:57.720 we actually should be talking about it's a great question thank you so here's what i would say i

00:41:02.200 would give congress a choice either you repeal the protected classes as they exist okay race sex 0.75

00:41:09.080 religion national origin sexual orientation and you actually leave it to the free market or you have

00:41:14.920 to apply those standards even handedly but you cannot have it both ways and i'm going to since

00:41:19.960 this is you know because i know who i'm talking to here it's a pretty sophisticated you know counterpart

00:41:24.360 here glenn in particular understands this i know let me explain exactly how those civil rights laws and

00:41:30.280 protected classes created the conditions for viewpoint discrimination two minutes go ahead all right

00:41:35.480 statutes right yeah so lyndon johnson thought it was just prohibiting discrimination on the base of

00:41:39.320 race but they've now been interpreted to say that that includes hostile work environments against

00:41:44.440 religious minorities what's one of the ways that now you can create a hostile work environment 1.00

00:41:48.520 it's by wearing a trump hat to work it's by saying the wrong thing on social media so ironically the

00:41:53.960 law created the conditions for viewpoint based discrimination while leaving political viewpoints

00:41:58.920 unprotected so you know i can't have it both ways if you can't fire somebody for being black or

00:42:03.000 gay or muslim or white or jewish or whatever you should not be able to fire somebody for being an

00:42:08.120 outspoken conservative either we have to apply these standards even handedly if you want to get rid of

00:42:13.240 protected classes all together great i'll have that conversation but no republican or anybody else is

00:42:17.240 willing to and so in the meantime i think we need to bring civil rights into the 21st century to protect

00:42:22.040 political expression as a civil right all right vivek uh i love the fact that you're running um i uh i

00:42:32.680 support anybody who is standing up for the constitution standing up for the right of people standing up

00:42:40.520 against uh the endless wars uh and the lies uh and you just are just able to run for president are you

00:42:50.520 not didn't you just have a birthday are you what 36 37 two years ago 37 yeah you're 37 that would be

00:42:59.320 a shocking change from what we have had uh traditionally since really clinton and i think he was

00:43:05.960 in his 40s i only want people above 100 years old to run for president really yes i think we should 1.00

00:43:11.240 go the other direction sorry okay uh vivek ramaswamy we'll talk to you again thank you so much uh you can

00:43:17.880 find out more at vivek uh v-i-v-e-k uh 2024.com the vague 2024.com v-i-v-e-k 2024.com

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