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On this episode of the Glenn Beck Program, host GlennonPolitics sits down with investigative reporter Gade Kaminsky to talk about the Democratic primary candidates and how they are being funded by the U.S. Department of State.
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with i mean haley uh nikki haley was on this week but she made a lot of sense more hawkish
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than i would be yeah yep i really like the fake he was on today's podcast i really like him yeah
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for sure i think we had a an interesting week with the candidates interesting to see how people
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react to a conversation about this because we've been through a bunch of primaries now
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show together and people get really pissed off when you say anything positive or negative about
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any of the candidates because that a lot of people take it personally they say like well
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that means you don't like my guy or that means you you're attacking my guy it's like i think our
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approach should be look let's hear from everybody i want to hear from your own decisions i i like
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the vague but ben have you heard me put anybody through the ringer like that i mean i asked him
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every tough question uh you know about the world economic forum and everything else sure um and
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that's the way it should be if you're asking questions we'll ask them but i'm in for whoever
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gade kaminsky is an investigative reporter for the washington examiner and he has been on the
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program just recently he was on i think a couple of weeks ago to talk about the british group that is
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fighting disinformation um and making a blacklist of conservative media well he has a new story that
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has just dropped today and that is um uh a story on james comer demanding records from the state
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department and their funding of the uh of the group of blacklisting conservatives this is an amazing
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story to think that our state department has funded an effort to uh stop advertising on programs like
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and truly including mine um my tax dollars are going to hurt my own business it is incredible
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welcome uh to the program gabe how are you hi glenn thanks for having me so tell me the
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latest twist in this what's happening the latest twist is following the national endowment for
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democracy a state department backed entity announcing it will no longer provide future
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resources to the global disinformation index today representative james comer chairman of the
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house oversight and accountability committee has sent a letter to the state department and
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it's secretary antony blinken uh and he's demanding uh documents in connection to funding of the global
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disinformation index by march 9th he's also demanding a briefing by the state department no later than
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march 2nd so this is just the latest development in republicans in congress beginning to investigate
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this funding um explain to people why this matters so much
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you know what we've uncovered through our series disinformation inc in the washington examiner
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is how the u.s department of state has been funding an organization called the global disinformation
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index which has been secretly feeding and compiling blacklists uh of conservative news websites
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and feeding those to advertising companies with the intent of uh shutting down those websites places
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trying to dictate where you can read and get your information places like the blaze the daily wire the
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washington examiner and certainly your radio show glenn uh and so what we found is that the state
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department is funding that group the global disinformation index uh which has raised pretty pretty big red
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flags among first amendment lawyers have you seen the story um about the um google effort called jigsaw
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i'm not familiar now okay you you should look into this as part of your series because you're so good
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at your investigative reporting um there is a story out now about jigsaw and and what's bothered me was
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you know bing and everybody else immediately jumping on the bandwagon saying oh my gosh we had no idea
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that global initiative that was huh we had no we're not going to use that anymore there's a story out now
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about um uh pre-bunking instead of debunking pre-bunking and google is using a device that they have
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um put together uh called jigsaw and it is going to um push things out uh to let me see if i can get the uh
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uh but uh the way they have said this is in is absolutely incredible um it is not just going to expose
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false claims it relies on quote conditioning individuals to view certain types of arguments
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as fake news even before they encounter them that sounds a little spooky
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yeah i will say that that does sound spooky and i i'll tell you what clen that sounds very similar to
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uh what we've unpacked at the global disinformation index because they've been identifying disinformation
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as not merely fraudulent or false uh information but actually opinion articles that they disagree with
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and so for example they've been flagging washington examiner pieces that are based on
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research that are commentary is disinformation so certainly the movement has morphed into this uh
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disagreement with ideas you don't like you know it's really really unbelievable gabe thank you so
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much for uh all of your work and this story just broke just a few minutes ago you can find it at the
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washington examiner if you're not reading the washington examiner every day you're missing out it is a must
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read um uh website thank you so much gabe appreciate it thanks glenn you bet bye-bye
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um he's an investigative reporter has been looking at all of this disinformation um and i i mean my tax
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dollars my tax dollars are being put to use to silence me i mean it's incredible and by the way it's not
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the first time it's happened to you which congrats yeah uh but this is a totally new type of effort
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it's it is the first time it's not the first time people have gone after me yeah but if you remember
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right the press had no interest in uh when the white house had organized three or four separate uh
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attempts outside of the white house but all from within the white house right like it was you know
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it was people who worked in the white house and they had side organizations that were coming after
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you i guess it's a little bit different yeah it's a little different um but they had been doing that
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and nobody paid attention to that no one cared uh nobody cared now but this is the first time and
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this is all of government approach this is what joe biden is doing it's all government approach
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to stopping whatever it is they want to stop yeah and so they'll use and find all of the levers in
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all of these different agencies i mean i wouldn't be surprised to see if the usda was you know uh
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working against energy or working against disinformation or whatever it is yeah and it's it's it ties into
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what we've been talking about the last couple of weeks where the disinformation police if you will
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is something that actually could have value to society especially right now where we're going
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into a world where ai and deep fakes and and voice replication and all these things are coming
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and having institutions that could sift through this for us and let us know when something was real
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and was something wasn't would be truly valuable if it wasn't being done like this if we could have
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trust in these institutions at media sources government all of these things that are supposed
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scientists health officials all these people are supposed to be around to help us go through this
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stuff and figure out what's real and what isn't instead what's happened is they've pre-bunked the
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whole process correct they've come up with they've made everyone not believe the fact-checking process
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before these crucial moments occur and now no one knows where to turn well i think it's really it's
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becoming easier you know anything that the networks are telling you is most likely at least slanted
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but very well possibly false okay you can't this is the thing on um the same thing with putin and uh
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ukraine more than one thing can be true okay so uh i don't like putin however what putin said in his
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speech some of some of it was very true so it doesn't and by saying that that doesn't make me a supporter
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of putin okay um there's there's another option putin is right about these things wrong about other
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things that doesn't make me have to choose between putin or biden i don't want biden leading a war in
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ukraine i like the people of ukraine i don't like the government of ukraine because it's absolutely
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corrupt i don't like the government of the united states because it appears to be absolutely corrupt
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i don't like the government of russia it appears to be absolutely corrupt so i don't have to pick
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sides i can say i like and support the people but i don't support any of those governments i don't
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support any of them in the war none i don't want my money going there i don't want it uh you know
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going against putin and i don't want a a nuclear war on putin last night i did a special on the effects
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of nuclear war and it was really eye-opening because we really don't take it seriously at all
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anymore because we all learn that nah this is that's not good hey you can't win in that war but there
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was something in last night's special right towards the beginning that i thought was so important
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and that is the idea that this is the first time and think of this this is the first time that uh
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two nuclear superpowers russia and the united states would be facing off face to face we've always fought
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through proxies like it's happening right now but russia is now saying that we are we have uh um
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perpetrated the nordstrom pipeline explosion which a crime against humanity war crimes okay and we're
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saying war crimes against them and they are also saying that uh by us being there and spending so much
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money and doing all this and giving them advice we're directly engaging we are also saying that
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the only way that we're going to end this is if putin and his regime is gone so it's regime change
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he is saying that it's either us or them because i'm not going anywhere so if they defeat they'll defeat
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our entire system so they cannot win the united states is trying to destroy us they're trying to
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destroy us we're trying to destroy them okay that's never happened since we had nuclear missiles it's
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never happened we've never gone toe to toe face to face and it's always been about another issue it
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hasn't been i'm gonna topple you that's what makes this nuclear uh flashpoint different than all of the
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other flashpoints it's always been about something else but now both sides are on record crimes against
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humanity regime change that's what if we got into a war and we know we knew putin
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was winning and it meant the end of nato and possibly the end of america
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would we consider using nukes it means the end of us and the end of europe
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i think we would if they are losing and they feel like that's the end of russia and they're going to
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be taken over by nato will they use nukes yeah i think the answer is yes
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that's the biggest thing you need to understand about this i still don't think that it's a reality
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that it will happen i do think that when you have the understanding that both sides are backing each
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other into a corner and they're both calling for the decapitation of those systems both sides
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you're in a different world that's and you're right i mean it's never happened it seems to me the
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the best way to avoid this is going to sound very basic but the best way to avoid this escalating
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is for the current president to be voted out of office and someone else being in control of those
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decisions if we can make it that long yeah and that's still you know still still two years away
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two years away two years away a year and a half i guess
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brad garrett is joining us hi brad how are you sir good morning glen i'm doing great how are you
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i'm i'm good i um i'm shocked at the number that there's only 3.7 million americans that would
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consider themselves preppers i would have thought that was at least five percent ten percent you know
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i i think that i think that number is a bit misleading because uh a lot of people don't want
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to identify themselves as preppers so i think that you know that's a that's a problem with polling
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right because if you if you ask people if you switch that question around you say um you know
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can you survive for 30 days on your own like imagine there's no government infrastructure
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you know water's down power's down there's no grocery stores if you ask people the question that
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way then about uh 11.7 million people say that they can survive for 30 days so um i i think it's a
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problem of labeling you know just like in the past people didn't want to be called survivalists
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people now don't want to be called preppers it has a kind of uh you know negative taking on a
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negative connotation for some reason you know it's it used to just be called self-reliance
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are you self-reliant yeah um yeah of course yeah 150 years ago everyone is self-reliant right
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we've become we've become increasingly dependent on the state um and less dependent on our neighbors
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which i think is the bigger problem you know i i because i consider myself uh well actually i i go
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back and forth i consider myself a prepper because i'm more prepared than most of my friends um however
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i i just know there's going to be something like oh crap i forgot batteries there's going to be
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something that it all falls apart you know what i mean um absolutely there's always something uh but
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you know this is why um i spent a lot of time in in uh salt lake city when i was writing my
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my book bunker um and the uh church of latter-day saints up there and they are incredible preppers
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and they run through scenarios all the time so they will uh you know they'll practice an emergency
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they'll work through their food stores they practice calling everyone on their phone chain
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making sure their neighbors are available in the event of a disaster that's what we should all be doing
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you know if you do a dry run then you realize what you're lacking um were you allowed into the
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tunnels underneath salt lake no i tried you should have called me i could have maybe gotten you in
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it's it's it's incredible yeah it's absolutely incredible um the they have enough food uh storage and
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everything else for the entire city in case there's a problem it's really incredible really
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incredible that's fantastic i have to say it was the easiest part of writing my book you know a lot
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of a lot of preppers particularly preppers that are building um high level luxury private bunkers
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uh did not want people to necessarily know where they were or what was inside them but when i showed
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up in salt lake city i they they were they were open arms for the most part you know just let me into
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all of their facilities i saw the the canning facilities where they would they fill those number
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10 cans with pasta and oatmeal and everything else and that was it was it was it was quite a thing but
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yeah i didn't make it to the tunnels um tell me since we have had this nuclear uh warning um
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it's my understanding that there are countries russia is one of them i think switzerland is one i think
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the united kingdom is one where they are going back and looking at their old cold war bunkers and
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in in switzerland i believe that they're being mandated by government you've got to go update the
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food and water in them is that true that is true yeah and i mean it's it's kind of ironic that the
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the bunkers that were built by the soviet union in ukraine have been sheltering people and saving
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probably tens of thousands of lives at this point um but that has encouraged the rest of europe to sort
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of reassess their their position in terms of bunkers um switzerland is is uh the most protected
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country on earth aside from maybe north korea but we have no idea what's what's going on really um
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so uh there is space for um 102 percent of the population uh which is which is kind of astounding
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you know they've actually got uh 300 000 private bunkers uh inside switzerland and then 5 000 public
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shelters and most of those are um not just fallout shelters but blast shelters so those those are
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nuclear biological and chemical filtered uh shelters that the population can take take shelter in and
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you know there's actually enough space that if someone was visiting uh you know the tourists could
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end up in those bunkers as well that is crazy um so where are we on the scale of these western nations
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and nations that would be affected by this nuclear threat um where are we in taking it seriously
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and as a government and preparing people for it absolutely terrible i mean the u.s and uk are probably at
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the bottom of the list in terms of preparations um and that goes back in the united states to the cold war
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so there was a uh a team of nuclear strategists that included uh herman kahn that thought about what
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what what it would take to um he wrote this amazing book on her nuclear war i have a copy of it it's
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great absolutely incredible but he ran he ran these scenarios about what it would take to um evacuate
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the the u.s population into bunkers if there were to be an all-out nuclear exchange
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and the the cost of construction of those bunkers essentially exceeded gdp of the country
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for a year yeah so that's that's why the um kennedy administration i think it was in 63
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kennedy made the speech where he basically said uh you know it it's the responsibility of of each person
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each family each community to take preparation upon yourselves and that's the path that we've been
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going down since then and what i think what frustrates a lot of americans is that we now
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know that as that speech was being made the government was hard at work constructing bunkers
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for themselves for their families for their for their aides so you know we we have a model in the
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united states and also in the uk where if you're a politician if you're um a ceo if you're uh you know
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someone with influence and power you're probably going to get space in a bunker but everyone else
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is is you know left out to dry and the so so that is has triggered in the united states this incredible
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movement in the last 10 years or so of um private citizens building their own bunkers and some of
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these even rival uh the government bunkers that were built during the cold war so why did you write
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this book are you i mean do you are you feeling we're going to need bunkers or what what what was
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your motivation here well i the bunker is really a metaphor um for thinking about our deteriorating
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geopolitical situation thinking about our our deteriorating you know um uh just uh uh social
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situation within the country right um i when i when i began writing the book i was interested
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interested in the topic from a sociological perspective i wanted to know who the private
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players were that were building these bunkers what they were worried about and um and whether there
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was any credence to it and um i have since i wrote the book purchased the cabin in the woods
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and a five acre ranch i've got two different locations that are connected by a four-wheel
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diet four-wheel drive dirt track so i can move between them without going on on major roads um i
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most of the people that i spoke to who were serious about their preparations told me um that
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uh the the concerns that they had weren't just speculative right that they felt we were on the
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precipice of something happening and keep in mind i started writing this book in 2017 i finished it
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in 2021 um so uh i had a lot of interviews with people telling me that that a pandemic was inevitable
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that we were overdue for one that they happened with regularity every hundred years or so right and
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then it happened and so that that made me go back and reassess all the other things that people
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were telling me that seemed slightly conspiratorial um or like like some kind of magical thinking
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and then when i went and reassessed those claims they seemed to hold a lot more weight than i expected
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them to yeah and so you became you became one of us anyway sorry about that brad but i think i but
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but i think to your point you know it's you know we're just going back to an earlier time or it's
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yes it's taking on a different kind of mindset where you can't just get on amazon and click a button and
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get the thing you need tomorrow you need to have it now because you might not be able to get it when
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things go wrong and so um yeah i think it's just it's just a kind of uh changing up our mindset a
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little bit to think about uh what our position might be in the future and it might be a little more
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super curious this is the best of the glenn beck program
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vivek ramaswamy is uh on with us you know you could have told me give me a better clue we just
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talked i think it was on friday it said are you thinking about running for president you're like
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i'm thinking about it come on you knew you knew glenn i think i said i was very seriously
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considering i talked about every possible hint i could have on the show no i mean we hung up and
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i said on the air he's running he's absolutely running yeah come on i did agree yeah i know
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exactly uh so uh vivek first of all um you are not known as a politician or somebody who's ever
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done this you're known as a ceo we'll get into some of that what is it that your platform look i mean
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like on with russia what what would you do as president with what we're going through now
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in ukraine i think foreign policy is all about prioritization glenn i would not spend another
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dollar on ukraine i would reprioritize that to take on the number one foreign policy challenge
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which is declaration of independence from communist china i think we can declare economic independence
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and defeat them economically so we don't have to militarily that's number one and then number two
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if there's a use case for the u.s military and weapons it is actually to protect our border and to
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take on and i would go so far as to say decimate the cartels 100 000 fentanyl deaths in the united
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states today 80 of which comes from southern border crossings deal with that protect our soil here
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we could do that for a fraction glenn of the cost that it takes to you know fight a foreign war
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somewhere on the other side of the world that has far fewer american interests tied to it i was in
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new hampshire yesterday and actually one of the things that surprises me glenn is how broad the
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support for that idea for those foreign policy prompts is oh yeah and it's amazing to me that the
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defense establishment doesn't you know it says you can't say that in polite company but that gives you
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a sense for where i am on foreign policy so let me ask you vivek i mean the donald trump was an
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outsider he came in and he's told me several times personally he had no idea he knew it was bad but he
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had no idea that he wouldn't be able to trust a soul in washington he had no idea how deep the deep state
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was and how powerful it was what makes you think you could go in and rock everyone's world well he's
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told me the same thing and he's a friend and honestly i take inspiration from what he did in 2015
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i just think we got to take this to the next level part of this is going to have to be just
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involving shutting agencies down full stop now are there costs and benefits to that yes but i think
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we live in a moment where the benefits outweigh those costs so what when you say shut agencies
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down what agencies are you talking about department of education let's start there i was speaking to
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the iowa legislature this morning congratulating them for what they did school choice in iowa i said we
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need to eliminate the federal department of education but many other three-letter acronyms
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even much of the national security apparatus glenn has to be shut down and replaced in those cases with
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something new because when a managerial rot runs so deep you can't reform it by putting a different
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figurehead at the top you have to shut it down and build something new to take its place and here's
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the other thing i mean i could say this donald trump knows this just as well as i do from being a ceo
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if you can't fire somebody who works for you that means they don't work for you it means you work for
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them you are their slave we need to replace these civil service protections with sunset clauses saying
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that you know what if i can't be the next president united states and work for the federal government for
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more than eight years then neither should anybody who works for me either those federal bureaucrats got
00:29:32.120
to be subject to eight-year sunset clauses how are you going to get that done i mean you have to have
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you have to have a congress that has the balls to do these things and i'm not sure you have the
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congress on either side of the aisle you got a few asking all the right questions right so i take a
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strong view of the constitution here article two of the constitution says that the president of the
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united states runs the federal government period so if congress isn't willing to act as president i am
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and i have studied the supreme court and the composition of the supreme court right now you want to
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take this one and test it in the supreme court with me great we can then use judicial precedent
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to make sure that we lock that in i believe that clarence thomas and others on the court today
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will be right there with me on my view of article two and how that reads in the constitution to say
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that a lot of these other constant quasi unconstitutional statutes from the impoundment
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prevention act of 1974 that says that actually the fact that the president has to spend money on
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specific agencies that congress has actually authorized it to have to spend on that's
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authorization not a mandate firing and civil service protections as i said if you're running
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the federal government under article to the constitution the president runs the executive
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branch i take the constitution seriously and you know what i think the friendly way to do it is to
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lead congress i personally think that 2024 can actually be a landslide election glennam
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the separate topic for another day i'm optimistic about that but if we don't get it done that way
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we will get it done through executive authority per what the constitution empowers a president to
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do this is what again i talk about america first i'm all in as an america first conservative
00:31:08.900
we've just got to take this to the next level with what i repeatedly am now calling america first
00:31:14.460
2.0 and that's a big part of the reason i'm doing this so why did you change you said you were
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libertarian why why did you decide you were a conservative over a libertarian i used to be a
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libertarian college actually i had this discussion with folks in new hampshire yesterday too
00:31:31.500
there was a you know a couple libertarians that came to one of my uh one of my rallies last night
00:31:35.740
but here's the here's the thing libertarians i got two issues one is they're too meek actually so
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they'll talk about the free market and they say they don't want to make political expression of
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civil right as i believe we need to in this country yet they don't actually touch the other
00:31:50.780
protected classes like race or sex or religion or national origin and so my view is these libertarians
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today with all due respect have their heads in the sand because you can't have it both ways
00:31:59.960
that's problem number one but problem number two is deeper which is you know what do we do in that
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free world even when the state's out of our hair there's still the deeper question of purpose as a
00:32:10.300
citizen how we live our lives how we live virtuous lives and i care about virtue in civic life and in
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family life and in faith-based life too not to say that the government necessarily should be involved
00:32:21.900
or mandating those things but those things matter for human flourishing for american flourishing
00:32:26.060
and libertarianism has nothing to say about that that is why i call myself a conservative today
00:32:30.440
in contrast to 15 years ago when i thought i was a cool kid in college calling myself a libertarian
00:32:34.320
so we're talking to vivek ramaswamy he is running for president united states as a republican
00:32:39.460
we've gotten to know each other over uh the world economic forum and esg and you are not only
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one of the biggest voices against it um you're actually you've put into action strive uh management
00:32:56.320
where you are saying invest with us we'll do better with your money than you know black rock and we're
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going to use the voting rights that we get to try to tell these companies don't do these woke uh things
00:33:12.300
um but there's some charges out about you that i just like to hear you answer um you were nominated
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and selected as a world economic forum young global leader in 21
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did what this is hilarious okay thank you for this opportunity this is actually a lot of fun for me
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look part of the politics i mean a lot of people on the left and on the right who were threatened by my
00:33:38.340
entry into this race so i welcome the opportunity to have this debate in the open all right
00:33:42.280
i think you know this i don't like to boast about myself but i would go so far as to say no one and
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i mean no one in this country has been a bigger both doer and crusader against the world economic
00:33:53.260
forum agenda than probably the two of us on this call i would challenge somebody to name i really
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mean it i would challenge anybody to name one for me if you really pressed me i would name maybe elon
00:34:04.600
musk and guess what he's named on that same website of the world economic forum somebody else
00:34:09.900
financially friend peter teal he's been named on that same website you want to know why
00:34:14.180
here's the dirty little secret though and i've seen this firsthand i experienced it firsthand the
00:34:18.340
world economic forum names you on their website without your permission so the funny part is i
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have a book coming out later this year where i actually detail this experience i have phone calls
00:34:27.820
emails and i was respectful about it i believe in being civil but i said do not name me on your
00:34:32.400
website because i do not accept your award i don't want to speak at your conference they tell me
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oh no no you misunderstand we have all the global billionaires here mark mark zuckerberg was a young
00:34:42.280
global fellow they give me the list of names no no no vivek you don't understand this is an honor
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i respectfully disagree i don't want to be named and i don't accept your award and then they go on
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to put my name on their website anyway now they asked they've asked me to speak there and that kind
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of thing i declined but the funny thing about me and i'm learning a little bit about how this
00:35:01.120
partisan politics game works you know trump spoke at the world economic forum in davos in 2018 and
00:35:06.740
2019 do i hold that against him no you don't know why because everyone who's as financially successful
00:35:12.840
as me or donald trump or or elon musk or whoever else gets invited to speak in my case i said no
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because this has been my focus area it would not have made sense for me to do it trump's case he
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said yes i don't hold that against him but i think it just reveals you know one of the things
00:35:26.280
that's been eye-opening to me about the online version of the conservative movement is the rise
00:35:31.860
of these clickbait conservatives that it's sort of sad want to mislead their own followers to advance
00:35:37.880
what agenda i don't know but at the end of the day i also don't want to complain about it we're in the
00:35:42.380
big leagues of presidential politics this is the you know we all know it's a dirty game but it's good
00:35:46.940
to it's good to keep your eye on the fact well i i can i can verify opponent of this agenda than me
00:35:52.000
i can verify one thing um the world economic forum has me on a list too and they won't take me off
00:35:59.260
that list either so it's just not the same kind of list i know um so the next thing is that you have
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a long time association with soros and i'm probably the number one anti-soros guy in the world
00:36:22.000
question glenn i know you're the number one anti-soros guy so i'm not saying false to you
00:36:25.940
i'm saying false to the long time association with george soros yeah lie 100% lie now let me let me
00:36:32.240
let me actually give you guys the facts and again this these clickbait conservatives online i don't
00:36:38.480
know if you know they feel threatened or whatever and they need to they need to make up stuff i was 25
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years old when i went to law school i got a scholarship funded by paul soros not george soros but paul
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soros that allowed me at the age of 25 to pay for law school and i took it you want to know why
00:36:55.500
because i'm smart now it's hilarious to me that the same people who bring that fact up from when i
00:37:00.360
was 25 years old taking a scholarship funded partially by somebody who's related to george
00:37:04.460
soros don't say a word about the fact that again donald trump who i love who i respect i'm not
00:37:09.780
criticizing him took 160 million dollar loan from not paul soros but george soros himself i have no
00:37:15.360
problem with it you want to know why because it's business donald trump knows what he's doing
00:37:19.400
i don't think he's corrupted by that i'm not criticizing him for it he's a friend but i think
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it's funny and i think it's revealing that these same people will talk about a 25 year old kid taking
00:37:29.400
a scholarship to help him pay for law school from a relative of george soros make a big deal out of
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that without saying a peep about donald trump taking 160 million dollar loan for george soros and i say
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that as a friend of somebody who respects donald trump because i don't think that that disqualifies
00:37:43.760
him or taints him in any way because he's a man of integrity and he's doing business the way he
00:37:47.580
knows how but you know i think that when you're in positions like i've been or donald trump's been
00:37:51.600
you get that i think if you're you know sitting on online all day on twitter it can be a very
00:37:55.640
different story all right i've got one more question on uh in this line here um and that is
00:38:00.900
you're a you're a biotech guy and in bed with big pharmaceuticals and and a big proponent of uh mrna shots
00:38:10.780
and uh you know you you've you have uh you you've never critiqued pfizer
00:38:18.280
so let me let me let me say a couple things first of those things is true i'm a biotech guy
00:38:25.380
i'm proud of my success in biotech then five of the medicines i worked on personally oversaw
00:38:31.940
in the company that i founded are fda approved products today that is now a multi-billion dollar
00:38:37.040
company a seven billion dollar company that i led as ceo one of those drugs is a drug for prostate
00:38:41.820
cancer another for women's health conditions from endometriosis to uterine fibroids to psoriasis to
00:38:48.240
one that's particularly touching for me it's an approved therapy for kids who were born with a
00:38:53.600
genetic disease that caused them to die by the age of two at a hundred percent fatality rate by the age
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of two or three now a majority of them have an opportunity to live lives of potentially a normal
00:39:02.980
duration i'm proud of those things glenn i will not apologize for it that is part of what makes
00:39:07.000
america great and is part of what makes innovation great is it empowers human beings to live better
00:39:11.880
lives that is not a an association with anything other than human innovation and a commitment to
00:39:18.600
actually making people prosper by addressing diseases and treating them now the idea that i am
00:39:24.260
a proponent of some sort of vaccination agenda no i am i'm on the record right now i oppose vaccine
00:39:30.520
mandates i think that there has been a lot of rampant government lying and mistrust appropriately so to
00:39:37.400
the american public because of how badly they handled this issue but i think we can't go to a place
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where we say that now we don't want people working on innovative medicines to treat diseases from
00:39:46.920
prostate cancer to psoriasis to genetic conditions in children no i think that we ought to stand up for
00:39:53.160
the innovation that makes us who we are and i'm proud of what i accomplished uh let me go back to your
00:39:58.040
platform a good friend of ours david uh harsany uh has a pushback a bit on one of your platform
00:40:04.360
policies like to hear your response yeah some i think respectful questioning about one of your question
00:40:08.840
uh one of your policy proposals vake about making political ideas uh protected right i think there's a
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lot of appeal to conservatives who continually get fired from their jobs over what they believe
00:40:19.400
uh he he says though you're we could have some negative side effects he says your idea
00:40:25.000
would potentially make it illegal for not only for disney to fire a social conservative but for a
00:40:30.280
jewish restaurant to sever its relationship with any nazi or a hedge fund would be compelled to keep
00:40:35.480
a trotskyite who believe profits are evil on the payroll or walmart having to wait for the worker who
00:40:40.760
spends his days trying to put big box chains out of business to leave on his own volition how do you
00:40:46.280
walk this line because obviously there is a lot of really negative consequences coming from this but
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does if we make this a civil right does it go too far great question these are the kinds of things
00:40:57.720
we actually should be talking about it's a great question thank you so here's what i would say i
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would give congress a choice either you repeal the protected classes as they exist okay race sex
00:41:09.080
religion national origin sexual orientation and you actually leave it to the free market or you have
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to apply those standards even handedly but you cannot have it both ways and i'm going to since
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this is you know because i know who i'm talking to here it's a pretty sophisticated you know counterpart
00:41:24.360
here glenn in particular understands this i know let me explain exactly how those civil rights laws and
00:41:30.280
protected classes created the conditions for viewpoint discrimination two minutes go ahead all right
00:41:35.480
statutes right yeah so lyndon johnson thought it was just prohibiting discrimination on the base of
00:41:39.320
race but they've now been interpreted to say that that includes hostile work environments against
00:41:44.440
religious minorities what's one of the ways that now you can create a hostile work environment
00:41:48.520
it's by wearing a trump hat to work it's by saying the wrong thing on social media so ironically the
00:41:53.960
law created the conditions for viewpoint based discrimination while leaving political viewpoints
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unprotected so you know i can't have it both ways if you can't fire somebody for being black or
00:42:03.000
gay or muslim or white or jewish or whatever you should not be able to fire somebody for being an
00:42:08.120
outspoken conservative either we have to apply these standards even handedly if you want to get rid of
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protected classes all together great i'll have that conversation but no republican or anybody else is
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willing to and so in the meantime i think we need to bring civil rights into the 21st century to protect
00:42:22.040
political expression as a civil right all right vivek uh i love the fact that you're running um i uh i
00:42:32.680
support anybody who is standing up for the constitution standing up for the right of people standing up
00:42:40.520
against uh the endless wars uh and the lies uh and you just are just able to run for president are you
00:42:50.520
not didn't you just have a birthday are you what 36 37 two years ago 37 yeah you're 37 that would be
00:42:59.320
a shocking change from what we have had uh traditionally since really clinton and i think he was
00:43:05.960
in his 40s i only want people above 100 years old to run for president really yes i think we should
00:43:11.240
go the other direction sorry okay uh vivek ramaswamy we'll talk to you again thank you so much uh you can
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find out more at vivek uh v-i-v-e-k uh 2024.com the vague 2024.com v-i-v-e-k 2024.com