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00:00:00.000 Hey, there's a couple of really big things that are happening on today's podcast.

00:00:18.420 First, John Solomon is on to tell us the whole information, all of the important information

00:00:23.060 and an honest, unbiased look at what came out yesterday from the hidden documents that

00:00:30.160 all came from Russia, according to the New York Times.

00:00:34.040 It's really important that you understand it from all sides, and John's here to tell

00:00:39.100 us all about that.

00:00:39.800 Also, we have Vivek Ramaswamy on to talk about what's been going on in Ohio.

00:00:45.040 It really, this beating last weekend is, to me at least, more and more shocking every

00:00:51.320 day that goes by.

00:00:52.160 And, you know, you hear, well, you don't know all the information.

00:00:55.240 I asked him, is there additional information that, you know, gives that more perspective?

00:01:00.500 Wait until you hear his answer of Vivek Ramaswamy.

00:01:03.440 And we also talk about jobs.

00:01:06.000 The job numbers came out today.

00:01:08.140 What does that mean for the future?

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00:01:11.680 And we try to give you some perspective on what's happening and what's coming in our economy,

00:01:17.000 all on today's podcast.

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00:02:20.500 John Solomon, welcome to the program, sir.

00:02:22.140 How are you?

00:02:23.420 It is great to be with you, Glenn.

00:02:25.040 Thanks for having me on.

00:02:26.320 You bet.

00:02:27.440 So here's, I want to start with this premise and I know you're the same way.

00:02:30.540 I really don't care about the politics at this point.

00:02:33.780 Politics will follow later.

00:02:35.340 I want to know the truth.

00:02:37.860 And if I'm reading the Washington Post or New York Times, they're saying, this is not

00:02:43.360 news.

00:02:44.060 These are all fake.

00:02:45.460 These were all Russian tools, you know, put out to discredit Hillary Clinton.

00:02:51.880 And so we shouldn't pay any attention.

00:02:54.500 Tell me what was released and what you think at this point is true and not true.

00:03:00.540 Yeah.

00:03:01.660 So what was put out yesterday is called the appendix, the classified appendix, the John

00:03:06.100 Durham's final report, the special prosecutor who looked at Russiagate.

00:03:09.380 This is something he couldn't release publicly because it involved highly classified intercepts

00:03:13.920 that the United States government had.

00:03:15.620 These intercepts are of Russian spies, the GRU and other Russian spy agencies.

00:03:20.200 And this has been a very successful program.

00:03:22.720 There are multiple ways we intercept the Russian spies.

00:03:25.320 But over the years, we've used this to make very major decisions about Russia.

00:03:29.380 So the information is deemed to relatively be reliable.

00:03:33.980 In fact, James Comey thought it was so reliable for this program that he used information from

00:03:39.160 this program to rush out and wave his magic wand and decide that on his own, even though

00:03:43.600 he wasn't the attorney general, he would clear Hillary Clinton of wrongdoing in the scandal.

00:03:49.380 Why?

00:03:49.680 Because the Russian intercepts suggested that Loretta Lynch was part of an effort to fix the 0.90

00:03:54.760 case.

00:03:55.000 And he didn't want that to happen.

00:03:56.200 So he fixed the case himself.

00:03:58.240 And so we've acted on this intelligence over the years.

00:04:02.680 In July of 16, Durham says, the United States government intercepted information saying that

00:04:08.300 the Russians had found out that Hillary Clinton had developed a plan and personally approved

00:04:14.240 it to hang a fake Russian shingle on Donald Trump's campaign house, basically accuse him

00:04:19.720 of being a Vladimir Putin stooge, maybe be involved in the hacking of the Democratic National

00:04:24.300 Committee computers.

00:04:26.600 And it was deemed so credible that John Brennan ran and briefed Barack Obama.

00:04:31.720 And then he briefed the entire senior leadership, Joe Biden, Barack Obama, James Comey, James

00:04:36.360 Clapper.

00:04:36.720 And of course, John Brennan himself was the recipient of the information.

00:04:41.640 So his agency did it rather than investigate it, rather than use it as a reason to be dubious

00:04:48.900 when Christopher Steele walks his dossier in or Michael Sussman walks in his Alfa Bank

00:04:54.480 baloney.

00:04:55.400 They actually lean into it.

00:04:57.360 They actually decide they're going to investigate these allegations as real, even though there was

00:05:01.880 enormous reason to be paused.

00:05:03.500 Now, in these information, there are purported emails in which someone in the George Soros

00:05:09.360 world writes, hey, I just got told that Hillary Clinton is going to hang the shingle and the

00:05:13.320 FBI is going to participate in it.

00:05:14.800 Now, he denies he wrote the email.

00:05:17.260 Wait, wait, wait.

00:05:18.040 He says, he says, I don't remember writing it.

00:05:22.100 No.

00:05:22.360 One of the lines kind of sounds like me, but I have no recollection of it.

00:05:26.180 Or did he actually say absolutely false?

00:05:29.120 I didn't do it.

00:05:30.680 Yeah.

00:05:30.940 He said, I wouldn't have used language like that.

00:05:33.100 I didn't write that email.

00:05:34.040 He does.

00:05:34.540 Now, Jake Sullivan is a little bit different.

00:05:36.680 Jake Sullivan is, I don't remember, but I can't rule it out.

00:05:40.480 So Jake Sullivan, the national security advisor to both Clinton and Biden over the years, has

00:05:45.880 a little bit different.

00:05:46.760 But as you walk through this, the intelligence community ultimately decides that this is probably

00:05:53.080 not a fabrication.

00:05:53.860 The FBI does so in 2017.

00:05:56.020 Now, it doesn't stop them from continuing to investigate the bogus Russia collusion pact,

00:06:00.400 but they decide that this intelligence is likely not fabricated.

00:06:04.320 The CIA believes that it's likely predictive.

00:06:07.220 Now, the way the program works, sometimes the Russian spies will fabricate in some way the detail.

00:06:15.460 They'll make it look like it's an email, but it's really a summary.

00:06:18.300 So we're aware of that.

00:06:19.280 But what we generally know is whatever we get from the program, it's probably accurate,

00:06:23.240 even if it's not an exact replica of an email or an exact replica of a text message.

00:06:29.100 And so both the intelligence committee said there's likely the FBI said that this is not fabricated.

00:06:35.640 It probably is reliable information.

00:06:37.620 And history will tell us that what we intercepted actually happened.

00:06:42.560 Hillary Clinton did exactly what we know.

00:06:45.220 They authorized the Steele dossier.

00:06:47.340 They authorized the Sussman Alpha Bank stuff.

00:06:49.880 They went out on the news media and tried to paint Donald Trump as a fake Russian stooge

00:06:56.780 for Vladimir Putin when he wasn't.

00:06:59.120 And I want to point out the most important evidence that the early intelligence people realized

00:07:03.260 looked like the Russians either were fortune tellers or they knew and had intercepted a real plan.

00:07:09.640 One of the early intercepts is that what's going to happen is Hillary Clinton has approved this plan,

00:07:15.100 and then we're reaching out to Joe Biden for Joe Biden to take the lead on this.

00:07:18.680 Well, guess what happens?

00:07:19.840 Within 24 hours of that intercept, Joe Biden goes out, and he's the very first major Democrat

00:07:26.260 to go suggest that Donald Trump's got a problem with Russia, that he's a stooge,

00:07:30.600 and that he's going to be bad for America, and that he's owned by Vladimir Putin.

00:07:34.740 How would the Russians know that? 0.93

00:07:36.560 How would they guess that and just know that that would happen?

00:07:38.760 How would they know that the FBI was going to open up a case in a few days?

00:07:42.880 So when the intelligence community looked back at this, the actual events of what played out

00:07:47.820 with Hillary Clinton looks like exactly what the Russians knew in advance,

00:07:51.980 and that's why they gave great credence to the idea that whether a specific email is accurate or not,

00:07:57.780 the general information the Russians had intercepted likely occurred.

00:08:02.660 So then why did Durham bury this stuff?

00:08:07.300 Because what they're saying is they had all this stuff.

00:08:10.360 Durham was, you know, this is under the Trump administration.

00:08:14.160 Why didn't this come out if it was so real?

00:08:16.320 This is just, they're just doing a hatchet job on, you know, Hillary and Obama.

00:08:20.240 I mean, the New York Times said the reason why this is out is because he's trying to avoid

00:08:25.080 his name being, you know, in the Epstein files or whatever.

00:08:29.980 That's right.

00:08:31.020 So why didn't we come out with this?

00:08:34.180 Why are we just hearing about it now?

00:08:36.580 Well, in fairness, there were parts of the, you had to work hard because John Durham's team

00:08:41.240 was not a good writing team.

00:08:42.480 But the original report in the unclassified version had a lot of this.

00:08:46.340 I wrote about it a couple of years ago, and I spent the last two years trying to get this declassified.

00:08:50.780 And when I brought President Trump on my show a couple of weeks ago, I asked him, he said,

00:08:54.480 I'll do it.

00:08:55.180 And two weeks later, he gave it to Joe, to Chuck Grassley.

00:08:58.200 So he did what we asked him to do.

00:08:59.560 I had been advocating for the release of the classified version for two years.

00:09:03.700 You could tell there was something very important.

00:09:05.720 John, Durham generally talks about the Clinton plan initiative.

00:09:08.940 Most reporters didn't see it as significant.

00:09:11.120 I did.

00:09:11.960 And I think now we see why it's significant, which is the FBI had a very good reason not to

00:09:17.420 investigate Steele's dossier based on this intercept.

00:09:20.360 It had a very good reason not to go to the FISA court and seek fake surveillance warrants.

00:09:25.820 It had a very good reason not to bring the United States to the trauma of what we call

00:09:30.120 Russiagate, but they chose not to do it.

00:09:32.600 And it's the same FBI that a few months more earlier had used the same Russian intelligence

00:09:37.320 intercept program to take concrete action in the Hillary Clinton case.

00:09:41.000 So when it's beneficial to a Democrat, they treat the Russian intelligence as real.

00:09:45.900 And when it's detrimental to a Democrat, they try to dismiss it as Russian disinformation.

00:09:49.940 I'll just say this.

00:09:51.280 History shows in the last few years when the New York Times tells you that something is

00:09:55.400 true or not true on Russia, they've been generally wrong a lot.

00:09:58.700 And when Democrats call something Russian disinformation like the Hunter Biden laptop, we should all be a

00:10:03.760 little dubious.

00:10:04.540 That is going on right now.

00:10:06.180 That machinery of the New York Times and the Democrats are back to the Hunter Biden language.

00:10:12.760 We should be dubious.

00:10:13.900 We should get to the facts.

00:10:14.900 One of the things in the New York Times story this morning completely omitted.

00:10:17.720 In the Durham report, it says that the FBI concluded that these were likely not fabrication.

00:10:23.320 You think the New York Times would put that in their story, but I couldn't find it in there.

00:10:27.100 No, it's not.

00:10:28.260 It's not.

00:10:29.980 John, give me the best argument on their side that should cause you to pause and go, well,

00:10:37.820 maybe, maybe this isn't right.

00:10:39.620 John Durham never found an email, though he had access to subpoenas.

00:10:47.500 I don't think he never found an email that matches the one that is attributed to the

00:10:51.200 Soros Foundation.

00:10:51.960 He did find others, and he found language in other emails that were sent that are identical,

00:10:56.940 but just not from this guy.

00:10:58.460 Now, that is something that happens a lot with the Russians.

00:11:01.480 They know that we're spying on them, so sometimes they mix things up.

00:11:06.940 They intentionally say this came from Joe when it came from John, so that if we do intercept

00:11:11.540 it, we think it's misinformation, but in fact, they have it.

00:11:14.800 So John Durham ultimately concludes that these were probably compilations of real intelligence.

00:11:20.360 By the way, that's a very important thing.

00:11:22.240 John Durham says, all right, it doesn't matter if the emails are exactly from who they say

00:11:26.200 they are.

00:11:26.520 The intelligence in them is likely to have been true.

00:11:30.580 So this is another reason why I felt that these were credible before I even read any

00:11:36.520 of it.

00:11:37.560 I started reading some of the summaries of them and commentaries about them, and the

00:11:44.400 left was immediately saying, it's old, it doesn't matter, it was 10 years ago.

00:11:49.520 And I thought, wow, Russian disinformation and it doesn't matter anyway.

00:11:53.940 Anyway, that's usually the sign that it's really dangerous.

00:11:57.820 We've heard that song.

00:11:58.080 It's going to be a country song someday.

00:11:59.820 Yeah.

00:12:00.120 What makes this different than all of the other stuff that doesn't go anywhere?

00:12:07.500 Well, listen, it may not be different.

00:12:10.020 That will be the legacy of this era, that we've unraveled one of the worst political scandals

00:12:14.720 in history, and we really couldn't hold anyone accountable.

00:12:17.460 Why do you say this?

00:12:18.320 Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

00:12:19.680 Why do you say this is one of the worst political scandals in American history?

00:12:23.780 That's quite a statement.

00:12:25.320 It is, because in no other time in history have we found a U.S. intelligence and FBI apparatus

00:12:31.260 used to carry out a political dirty prick.

00:12:33.600 Listen, they knew the Steele dossier was fake.

00:12:36.500 They decided they continued to use it to spy and mislead the FISA court.

00:12:40.740 They knew that the career officials of the Intelligence Committee didn't think Vladimir Putin was trying

00:12:45.820 to help Donald Trump win the election, and they overruled them and rewrote the report.

00:12:50.380 Those are incredible abuses.

00:12:52.280 These are the most powerful tools we give the U.S. intelligence community and the FBI.

00:12:56.460 They're supposed to only be used to go after our enemies, terrorists, intelligence threats to America.

00:13:03.000 And in this era, from the 2016 to 2019 timeframe, we see those communities are being used to carry out

00:13:10.680 political missions, to denigrate a political opponent, to falsely call true evidence of wrongdoing

00:13:16.600 against a Democrat, the Hunter Biden laptop disinformation, to use the FISA court to spy on

00:13:22.100 your political enemy, submitting to it to get that permission, unreliable and inaccurate information.

00:13:29.580 That is one of the greatest abuses.

00:13:32.340 In past times, we've had a lot of abuses in intelligence communities, things like we tortured

00:13:35.600 people and we did things.

00:13:37.360 Here, the abuse is the American people. 0.52

00:13:39.960 The intelligence tools were used to carry out a political dirty trick designed to deceive

00:13:45.060 the American public about who they elected and who they might elect.

00:13:48.800 And I think that's why it's such a big scandal.

00:13:50.980 You have to get to 30,000 feet to look at it.

00:13:53.120 You can get into the weeds and then it gets complicated.

00:13:55.300 But the FBI and CIA were used to deceive the American people and to potentially thwart the

00:14:01.820 will after they elected Donald Trump.

00:14:03.860 That's something we can't allow to happen again.

00:14:06.900 John, thank you.

00:14:07.900 Thank you for everything you do.

00:14:09.100 I know I say this to you every time, but you're one of the few guys I really trust.

00:14:12.960 And I appreciate all the hard work you do.

00:14:15.320 Thank you.

00:14:16.140 That means a lot.

00:14:16.840 Thank you, Glenn.

00:14:17.720 You bet.

00:14:18.060 Bye-bye.

00:14:18.540 John Solomon, Just the News.

00:14:20.480 If you don't read Just the News every day, you should.

00:14:22.720 Um, it is, it's great.

00:14:25.380 They are on top of the stories that actually matter.

00:14:28.340 And John is a guy who, uh, is fair.

00:14:31.360 I know because he'll piss me off at times.

00:14:34.020 He'll say things, he'll report things and I'll be like, no, I want it to be true.

00:14:37.360 I want the other side to be true.

00:14:39.140 Um, and that's how, you know, you know, people ask me all the time, how, how do you, how do

00:14:43.240 you know who to trust?

00:14:44.280 Well, I look for people that will say things, uh, on both sides, uh, and they will say, this

00:14:50.900 is true, this is not true.

00:14:52.600 And you're not always happy with what they have to say.

00:14:57.900 The best of the Glenn Beck program.

00:15:00.480 It is really amazing, Stu, isn't it?

00:15:03.300 How the New York Times and the Washington Post both are pretty much ignoring this.

00:15:09.580 They're, I mean, they're not ignoring it.

00:15:10.780 They're running one story saying, you know, basically the same thing they said on the

00:15:15.520 Hunter Biden laptop, exactly the same thing.

00:15:18.100 And the mainstream media is following him doing exactly the same thing.

00:15:22.720 You want to talk about, you know, doing the same thing and expecting different results.

00:15:27.780 Uh, they're insane.

00:15:29.860 They have gone insane, um, because they're doing exactly the same thing and they're expecting

00:15:36.160 now different results than, than, uh, I think when then what they're, you know, it hasn't

00:15:41.920 been working for a long time and I don't think this is going to work.

00:15:45.380 The only thing they have going for them on this one is they'll say it's old and all these

00:15:51.720 people are in the past and it's confusing and it is, but it doesn't matter how old this is.

00:15:57.640 It's important to correct it.

00:15:59.660 Yeah.

00:15:59.780 I'm, you know, reading the New York times take on this, they, I would say are leaning

00:16:04.520 harder into, it's just not real.

00:16:06.260 It's not, you know, it's more of that.

00:16:08.360 One of the, one of the most shocking things in it is they claim, they basically get mad

00:16:12.700 at Durham for putting all of this in the annex because, because it, it, it showed that it,

00:16:20.500 because they were hiding the fact that this plan was a likely Russian intelligence, which

00:16:26.480 is, I guess what they come up with as a summary of it.

00:16:29.580 Right.

00:16:29.840 But we didn't even know about the plan.

00:16:32.180 Like there was, what do you mean he was hiding that it was Russian intelligence?

00:16:36.500 We, we didn't even know about these messages really until today or yesterday.

00:16:40.760 And they're pretty incredible.

00:16:42.200 Even if they are, even if they are pieces of other emails and Russian, uh, pieces, you 0.81

00:16:50.980 can see.

00:16:52.020 And as John said, what those emails say happened.

00:16:56.760 So, I mean, what a coincidence that is.

00:16:59.840 Here's what the Washington post said.

00:17:01.080 The report crate contains no proof that as Trump officials and allies have alleged in

00:17:06.440 recent weeks, Clinton and senior U.S. officials close to President Barack Obama schemed to

00:17:11.280 concoct erroneous Trump links to Moscow, sullying his 2016 election victory in first term.

00:17:17.280 The existence of unverified intelligence suggesting Clinton approved a campaign plan to tie Trump

00:17:22.020 to Russia has been publicly known since at least 2020.

00:17:25.080 OK, so they, they hit it until 2020.

00:17:29.300 Uh, uh, and so, you know, it's old.

00:17:31.720 So why do you, why do you even care?

00:17:33.340 Well, because it, it does show and it's not close to President Barack Obama.

00:17:39.540 It is President Barack Obama.

00:17:42.060 You know, I, you know, one of the things I'm really so frustrated about and they'll never,

00:17:48.120 they'll never do it because it'll expose the whole thing.

00:17:50.240 You know, and I know that they have, the NSA has every keystroke of everybody's, every,

00:17:56.600 everybody, they have every keystroke.

00:17:58.320 And if you're important, you don't get dumped and cleared out.

00:18:01.660 You know what I mean?

00:18:02.700 Um, that's what those NSA server farms are in Utah.

00:18:06.140 I mean, it's a side of a mountain, a side of a mountain deep underneath.

00:18:11.280 It's just server farms.

00:18:13.240 Well, what do you think they're collecting?

00:18:15.720 And every time I hear, well, we don't know, uh, that's a lost email.

00:18:20.580 They can't, the NSA has it.

00:18:23.320 Now, the reason why they won't produce it is because then they have to admit, oh yeah,

00:18:27.080 we're keeping all of that information, but you know, they have it.

00:18:31.200 And it just pisses me off because they'll use that stuff against you and me,

00:18:35.000 but not against the power structure.

00:18:38.600 Uh, New York times said the declassified Durham report annex shows the special counsel set

00:18:43.680 out to prove the Clinton plan emails were real, but decided they were fakes made by Russian

00:18:49.180 spies.

00:18:49.840 That is such a, I mean, that is hello, Satan.

00:18:53.160 That is exactly the way Satan works.

00:18:55.820 You know, a little bit of truth and a little bit of lie.

00:18:59.100 And yes, they were fakes made by Russian spies, but that's not all he said.

00:19:07.200 They think they were cobbled together from real things.

00:19:11.840 And again, how do you explain the wild coincidence that all those things happened?

00:19:16.440 This is the best of the Glenn Beck program.

00:19:25.380 We have a vague Ramaswamy coming up in just a minute.

00:19:28.540 He's running for governor.

00:19:30.000 Uh, and he was, you know, he was born and raised in Cincinnati.

00:19:32.700 Um, and I really, I really want to know, you know, what, what is the deal with this incident?

00:19:40.060 What is happening?

00:19:40.800 And is there, is there any evidence that we don't have all of the picture?

00:19:46.180 Cause I, I got to believe if there, if that was happening, you know, people thrown around

00:19:50.600 the N word and I can see that happening. 0.90

00:19:52.240 I'm not denying that that could happen thrown around the N word and the just, you know, 0.99

00:19:56.100 they're just, everybody's being pigs. 0.94

00:19:58.420 Um, you know, I could see that, but I, I would think we would know about that. 0.97

00:20:02.400 And I, I'm reading stuff about, you know, well, Ohio has a bad history of race relations.

00:20:07.720 Well, you know what, if you want to go back, cause I'm blamed for slavery back in the old

00:20:12.160 timey days.

00:20:13.060 If you want to play that game, I'll play that on the opposite end.

00:20:16.960 Uh, Ohio was a central stop on the underground railroad, tens of thousands of people.

00:20:24.180 I think Tubman even was sending people up through Ohio.

00:20:26.860 Uh, it, it was, it was key to the underground railroad.

00:20:32.800 So, you know, it, it might have bad race relations right now, but historically speaking,

00:20:39.060 Ohio played a very important role, uh, in, uh, the end of slavery and race relations.

00:20:45.700 Uh, Vivek is on the phone with us now.

00:20:48.020 Hi Vivek, how are you?

00:20:49.740 Glenn, how you doing?

00:20:51.180 I'm great.

00:20:51.940 I'm great.

00:20:52.440 Um, you know, you were born in Cincinnati, uh, and you know, you're following this cause

00:20:58.660 you're running for governor.

00:21:00.060 Um, by the way, I hear you doing really well and I'm happy to hear that.

00:21:03.660 Um, thank you.

00:21:04.800 I, I see the city council woman, I see the, the, the, the, uh, police chief saying, well,

00:21:12.920 you don't know all the facts and I might not know, know all the facts.

00:21:16.220 And even if there are more facts, it doesn't justify what we saw.

00:21:19.800 But have you seen any other facts that, that the public doesn't know about on this beat

00:21:27.440 down?

00:21:28.460 Glenn, I think that the basic point is common sense.

00:21:31.900 We should not have everyday hardworking Americans who are afraid to go into their cities, particularly

00:21:38.300 a city like Cincinnati for fear of being beaten up, for fear of assault, for fear of battery.

00:21:43.700 And I did speak to the victim, Holly, who was assaulted.

00:21:48.460 I spoke to her on Monday at the time I had spoken to her.

00:21:51.380 One of the things that surprised me is that she said not a single state or local official

00:21:55.100 had even reached out to her at that point in time.

00:21:57.660 And that was on Monday after the Friday night of the incident, which was remarkable.

00:22:02.720 And I reached out cause we wanted to be helpful in any way.

00:22:05.320 I mean, I saw she had some neck injuries. 0.98

00:22:06.920 My wife, Apoorva is one of the top throat surgeons in the country here in Ohio.

00:22:10.860 So we want to see how we could help.

00:22:12.120 But I was surprised that, frankly, not a single public official at the city level or the state

00:22:17.880 level had even reached out.

00:22:20.080 And I can see why, in part, because there is a culture of fear around these issues relating

00:22:26.360 to violence and urban crime in particular.

00:22:29.920 In Cincinnati, so I grew up there, as you said, I was born and raised in Cincinnati, lived my

00:22:34.540 first 18 years of my life there, went to public schools through eighth grade, public schools

00:22:39.740 where there was frequently, you know, fights and stuff breaking out.

00:22:42.000 I went to a Catholic high school for high school after that.

00:22:45.320 And I will tell you, a number of the people I went to school with, grade school, high school

00:22:49.960 who still live in Cincinnati, I live in Columbus now, but they're in Cincinnati, reach out and

00:22:54.220 said, thank you for saying something about this, because we've noticed this issue.

00:22:58.200 There is a culture of fear in our city.

00:23:00.640 There's also fear of people being able to go to the city without the risk of violent crime.

00:23:05.460 I think the risk for the stats right now, sadly, are one in 137 is your chance of being

00:23:11.640 a victim.

00:23:12.000 of violent crime in Cincinnati.

00:23:13.460 So my view is, I don't care what Democrat or Republican party you're in.

00:23:17.540 I don't care what your skin color is. 1.00

00:23:19.520 We ought to be united around the issue of fighting violent crime in our cities.

00:23:24.580 And this is in part directly the result.

00:23:27.240 I'm sorry to say it, Glenn, but it's true.

00:23:28.900 It is directly the result of this defund the police, the anti-cop, the anti-rule of law culture

00:23:35.740 that's spread across our country.

00:23:37.900 And I want to be a governor who's able to speak that truth in a manner that unites people,

00:23:43.140 not divides people, but doesn't hide from that truth or sweep it under the rug either,

00:23:47.380 because I do think that's what's going to be required to address the problem.

00:23:50.100 You know, as a whole society, we also have to start striving to be above animals.

00:23:55.200 I mean, you know, I watched this and it was like watching fifth graders, you know, everybody

00:24:00.100 standing around a fight and everybody's like, fight, fight, fight.

00:24:02.860 Um, I mean, you're not, you're not in fifth grade anymore.

00:24:07.240 Um, I didn't see anybody, and this is what a civil society would do.

00:24:11.360 I didn't really see anybody step in and go, Hey, Hey, Hey, Hey guys, back off, back up.

00:24:15.760 What I saw were people that were cheering it on or not involved suddenly jumping in and getting

00:24:22.620 involved, which was terrifying when, when, when, uh, the female went down, I thought they 0.77

00:24:29.880 killed her.

00:24:30.340 I mean, she, her eyes were open. 0.71

00:24:32.640 She was out cold.

00:24:34.520 Uh, that was a dangerous situation.

00:24:37.640 I've talked to her several times in the last week, Glenn, and it is very sad.

00:24:41.900 She's a working mom. 0.90

00:24:43.180 She's a single mother and she's somebody who on a rare occasion went to the city to have

00:24:47.720 a good time for some, for a friend's birthday party.

00:24:50.120 I think it's unconscionable that not only after she was knocked out, she wasn't even able to

00:24:55.800 take an ambulance.

00:24:57.120 She had to call her own Uber to get out of there. 0.82

00:24:59.320 That situation of risk.

00:25:00.940 And I just think that we have to think about ways we have to improve the way we're doing

00:25:05.960 things.

00:25:06.660 What do you mean?

00:25:07.300 She couldn't take an ambulance.

00:25:09.100 Well, there wasn't an ambulance.

00:25:10.120 She'd called an Uber.

00:25:11.280 And so this is, this is, this is the kind of thing that's just sad.

00:25:15.380 And I do think we ought to have an open conversation about, first of all, there's reports now that

00:25:20.980 one of the assailants was let out on bond for a different crime or offense alleged earlier

00:25:29.000 this month.

00:25:29.900 So in the month of July, earlier that same month was out on bond with somebody who previously

00:25:35.340 was, was convicted of other crimes.

00:25:38.820 And so we've got to rethink some of the breakages in our judicial system.

00:25:42.400 We've got to rethink what it means to have more of a law enforcement presence on our

00:25:46.280 streets, at least in predictable hours of when there's a baseball game going on, when

00:25:50.360 there's a national music concert on a Friday night in certain areas of urban parts of our

00:25:55.040 cities.

00:25:55.840 Does it mean that we deter crime by having just a greater law enforcement presence?

00:25:59.880 And I think we've got to have that conversation in the open.

00:26:01.680 And I say this as somebody, Glenn, who'll be the first person to not only recognize,

00:26:05.560 but shout from the foothills.

00:26:06.860 There are so many good men and women working very hard, men and women in blue, in the Cincinnati

00:26:11.320 Police Department, who I respect deeply for their service.

00:26:14.760 It's not their individual fault by any stretch.

00:26:17.420 And anybody who says so misses the point.

00:26:19.860 But the point is, what kind of leadership do we bring to a city, to a state, to say that

00:26:24.000 we do stand for not defunding the police, but funding the police, that we stand for allowing

00:26:29.680 them to do their jobs with that fear of looking over their shoulder for being sued, and also

00:26:34.080 to be able to have a judicial system and necessary reforms that don't just send violent criminals

00:26:39.580 right back onto the street.

00:26:41.560 This is common sense stuff, right?

00:26:43.240 This is not left.

00:26:44.100 This shouldn't be at least left versus right stuff, right?

00:26:46.460 This is common sense.

00:26:48.220 And that's why I'm running for governor.

00:26:49.380 I do think that we have had too many politicians who have tried to sweep these issues under the

00:26:54.260 rug for too long.

00:26:55.500 I'm going to Cincinnati actually on Monday, Glenn.

00:26:57.440 And part of my point is I want to practice what we preach.

00:27:00.780 I called a friend of mine who's a former NAACP Cincinnati chapter president, a former vice

00:27:06.480 mayor of the city, who actually has been quite thoughtful on a lot of these issues as well.

00:27:11.240 We're going to co-host a town hall.

00:27:12.760 Anybody come.

00:27:13.520 If you disagree with my politics, that's fine.

00:27:15.180 You could show up.

00:27:15.780 But we're going to have a conversation about how we crush crime in my hometown of Cincinnati

00:27:19.380 and how we crush crime in cities across our state.

00:27:22.160 And I hope Ohio sits a model nationwide for putting an end to this epidemic of lawlessness

00:27:28.060 and violence and do it in a way that brings us together through open dialogue.

00:27:32.220 That's what I favor.

00:27:33.000 And so that's the kind of leader I'm hoping to be for our state.

00:27:35.700 That's why I'm in this.

00:27:36.720 And, you know, hopefully we're going to succeed.

00:27:39.160 I hope that does succeed because Cincinnati is a great town, just a great, great town.

00:27:45.200 It is.

00:27:45.440 And I wouldn't go into Cincinnati now.

00:27:47.720 I wouldn't tell me.

00:27:49.040 And, you know, one of the reasons why I wouldn't is not just because of what I saw in this video,

00:27:53.240 but the reaction from one of the city council members, from the police chief, your governor.

00:27:59.940 What do you say to that police chief?

00:28:03.340 Look, I've had conversations with all of these folks, you know, one on one or not all of them,

00:28:07.840 but many of them.

00:28:09.220 And look, I want to be a leader who's bringing together people across the state, whether they

00:28:12.640 like me or not, right, whether they agree with my politics or not.

00:28:15.880 But what I will say is this.

00:28:18.160 It is time for a new generation of leadership that speaks hard truth, that speaks with a spine.

00:28:23.480 As it relates to law enforcement, we need critical out of the box solutions.

00:28:28.020 I mean, you think about even in the 90s, you know, Clinton and Gingrich back then talked

00:28:31.980 about the idea of equipping localities with cops to deter violence and then leaving it to

00:28:37.580 the localities after that.

00:28:39.080 Well, at the state level, should we be thinking about similar solutions?

00:28:41.440 I think we ought to at least have a conversation about it, thinking about bail reforms, at least

00:28:45.200 in common sense ways that we're not sending back violent criminals right back into the

00:28:49.340 street to be a repeat offender when we know that's a high risk to the rest of ordinary

00:28:55.020 law abiding Americans trying to have a good time in the cities where they live.

00:28:59.660 So I think these are issues where you do have a lot of leaders, including governors, including

00:29:04.300 mayors who try to sweep these issues under the rug, hope they go away.

00:29:07.980 That's not a strategy.

00:29:08.800 In fact, it causes frustration to fester.

00:29:11.880 And when people have frustrations that they don't feel free to talk about, that's when

00:29:15.880 actually bad things happen.

00:29:17.200 That's what actually spurns social division. 0.64

00:29:19.940 And I think true cohesion comes from being able to confront these issues head on.

00:29:24.600 And so that town hall in Cincinnati, I don't know how it's going to go.

00:29:26.460 I hope it goes well.

00:29:27.300 But I it's on it's on Monday evening.

00:29:29.260 But I think that, you know, I did one of these in Springfield last year.

00:29:33.060 Remember Springfield when it was in Ohio as well, the theme of national news.

00:29:37.600 And I will tell you, Ohio have a bad history of of race relations.

00:29:41.680 You know, it's not it's not that Ohio has.

00:29:45.140 I mean, you brought up a great point.

00:29:46.520 You think about Ohio.

00:29:47.220 We're the end of the Underground Railroad.

00:29:48.480 Cincinnati was the final destination.

00:29:50.540 So you think about a long enough course of history.

00:29:52.560 Ohio was part of the emancipation movement in the United States of America.

00:29:57.400 So have there been issues over time?

00:29:59.520 Sure.

00:29:59.680 You go back to the early 2000s.

00:30:01.080 There were there were racially charged riots in the city.

00:30:04.180 The National Guard had to come out this back when I was in high school etched into my brain.

00:30:07.860 But that's true in different places across the country.

00:30:10.800 I think Ohio is a great place actually to embody the best of what our country is about.

00:30:14.600 You know, you go to Cincinnati, you go to Columbus, you draw across, you draw a circle around it.

00:30:18.500 You got a cross section of the country and more than California or New York or even I may say, Glenn, even more than Texas or Florida.

00:30:24.700 The beautiful thing about Ohio is that we're a cross section of the entire United States.

00:30:29.260 So if we're going to get these issues right for the country, Ohio ought to be ground zero for fixing it.

00:30:33.180 And I think that's what on the positive side, I wouldn't call it a particular history of trouble.

00:30:37.920 But I think we are a part of the country that's diverse enough, that's in every sense that you see a lot of these things bubbling up in Ohio.

00:30:45.700 We've got to fix them first in Ohio.

00:30:47.140 I have to tell you, I you know, you would have talked to me 30 years ago and you would have said this guy has a particular history of alcoholism and and hard to work with and yada yada.

00:30:59.460 I'm not that guy. You just have to choose. And in an inspiring leader, DeSantis is one here in Florida, an inspiring leader, somebody who just says, no, we're going in a different direction.

00:31:14.080 People want to be safe. They want to. I don't care what color you are, what, you know, income bracket you're in.

00:31:21.280 You want to be safe. You want your family to be safe, your children to be able you want to be able to go into town and and, you know, have a nice night.

00:31:29.880 You don't want to feel all of this stuff and you don't want to have bad race relations.

00:31:35.200 I mean, some do, but I think a very, very small number do.

00:31:37.780 And, you know, you can change things, you know, if you're leading by example, but it's going to be hard because there's a lot of people that have power that don't want to fix these.

00:31:50.860 I'm convinced of it. They don't want to fix these problems.

00:31:53.500 Well, that's why I'm in this, Glenn, is that I think if yesterday's politician was going to fix it, it would have happened already.

00:32:00.360 But I think it's going to take a new generation that says, I'm not even making this about Republican versus Democrat politics.

00:32:05.680 You know, I mean, is there a dimension to it? We could. Sure. But forget about that.

00:32:08.960 Common sense. Right. Should you follow the law? Should you be able to enjoy your cities without fear of getting beaten up or assaulted?

00:32:15.200 Should you be able to speak your mind freely in the open without fear of government retribution?

00:32:20.300 These are the basic tenets of just what it means to be an American, to live in the best country known to the history of mankind.

00:32:27.120 That's what it means to be an American. I think it's the birthright of every American to live those basic aspects of the American dream.

00:32:33.440 And I want to at least revive the Ohio dream and the version of that in the heart of the country that represents the country.

00:32:40.100 And you're right. People are hungry to be led at this point.

00:32:42.900 You know, it's easy to just tell your followers the same thing they want to hear.

00:32:46.580 And it's easy to just preach, you know, and lambast, you know, the other side.

00:32:50.980 I'm not doing that. What I want to do is I want to speak truth.

00:32:53.760 And there are a lot of people in the inner city of Cincinnati who are every bit as worried about this epidemic of crime that might have voted Democrat in the past that still don't feel safe.

00:33:02.140 And the fact of the matter is we have an opportunity to bring them into our tent in our coalition as well.

00:33:06.480 That's what I'm working to do.

00:33:07.580 And, you know, I think it's basic common sense, safety, a good education, the economic mobility and the right to speak freely.

00:33:16.060 These are your birthrights as Americans.

00:33:17.760 And that's what we're going to fight for and revive here in the state of Ohio.

00:33:21.180 Well, I have to tell you, Vivek, thank you.

00:33:23.440 And, you know, if you've listened to me for a long time, I don't endorse people.

00:33:28.860 But I also don't lie to you and tell you, you know, something.

00:33:32.700 I don't pretend to be neutral when I'm not.

00:33:35.120 If I lived in Ohio, I would be voting for Vivek.

00:33:37.320 I think he is dynamic and part of a very bright future.

00:33:43.120 Vivekforohio.com is his address where you can go find out more about his candidacy and maybe help him out as well.

00:33:50.500 Vivek, I'd love to talk to you next week after you have had this meeting to see how it went.

00:33:55.960 Yeah, I'll tell you what we learned.

00:33:57.540 Thank you very much.

00:33:58.340 Vivek Ramaswamy, Ohio Gubernatorial Camp.

00:34:07.020 You're listening to the best of the Glenn Beck Program.

00:34:10.600 All right, Stu, go over the jobs report.

00:34:12.840 It just came out today.

00:34:14.440 Yeah, they showed a gain of 73,000 jobs.

00:34:17.900 This is not a particularly good number.

00:34:20.440 No.

00:34:21.080 I think you could look at it and say, when you examine it a little closer,

00:34:26.100 it does show some pretty strange things.

00:34:29.480 First of all, it seems almost all of the job gains are coming from the health care industry.

00:34:34.960 Makes sense.

00:34:36.360 And that is consistent over several months.

00:34:40.340 In fact, there's a chart that shows the six-month change of employment.

00:34:44.740 And most of the lines are either flat or slightly negative.

00:34:51.260 There's a couple industries that have slight growth, financial activities, leisure and hospitality.

00:34:56.680 But overall, I mean, it's almost like one of those old COVID charts with jobs where you just see all these little lines,

00:35:04.920 and then there's this giant line that careens off the screen almost.

00:35:08.720 Private education and health services are the industries that are showing almost all the growth in the United States right now.

00:35:18.120 I'm so glad to hear that about private education.

00:35:21.360 I mean, it shows that we are actively engaging in something that we know has failed us,

00:35:28.200 and we're changing our lives as a people.

00:35:32.160 I think that's good.

00:35:32.740 The other thing, health care, I would love to know what parts of health care.

00:35:39.500 Is that insurance or is that like doctors and nurses?

00:35:45.180 Do you have any idea?

00:35:46.680 I don't have the breakdown of that in front of me.

00:35:50.000 I can look for it, though.

00:35:50.980 It's probably in this data.

00:35:52.400 I'm just kind of scanning through a bunch of the data.

00:35:55.320 It does show without health care jobs, we've, as a nation, have lost jobs overall for three straight months.

00:36:02.740 Part of this was a major revision to the data, which showed a loss of 255,000 jobs from the two previous months that had already been reported.

00:36:14.920 So a major negative.

00:36:15.620 What is wrong with this?

00:36:16.500 Why can't they get this right?

00:36:18.120 This is not that hard.

00:36:19.780 This was happening, you know, all the last four years, much worse than that.

00:36:24.040 And now it's happening again.

00:36:26.000 You're talking about just revisions?

00:36:28.040 Yeah.

00:36:28.220 Yeah.

00:36:28.680 I mean, there have always been revisions.

00:36:30.540 It does seem to be bigger lately.

00:36:34.880 You know, so you look at all that and, you know, this is a largely just, you know, discouraging report, I would say, overall.

00:36:41.420 But, you know, we're seeing in, like, some of the prediction markets, odds for a recession are going up.

00:36:50.600 However, what we're talking about as far as where they result is, like, 15 to 20 percent is what people are saying is a chance for a recession.

00:36:59.080 So it's not like, again, a lot of times I think this stuff gets blown out of proportion and everybody's catastrophic or incredibly jubilant, right?

00:37:06.680 Like, oh, gosh, everything's working, you know, we shut up all these economists, they were all wrong.

00:37:11.080 I think what we're seeing now is it's probably too early to take a victory lap or, you know, jump off a building.

00:37:16.540 Doom parade.

00:37:17.220 You know, I have to tell you, I think we should take a moment here and recognize, do you remember what the economy was like, you know, six months ago, a year ago?

00:37:27.380 Everything was trending in the wrong direction.

00:37:30.240 Everything was trending in the wrong direction.

00:37:32.020 For us not to be in a recession at this point, I think is pretty remarkable, especially with the amount of changes that Donald Trump is making to some of the fundamental structures of America.

00:37:46.460 You know, look at the job numbers and then the numbers of the people he has fired from government.

00:37:51.920 When you're talking about reducing, for instance, the Department of Education by 50 percent, that is going to affect your job numbers.

00:38:00.420 It's going to.

00:38:01.280 Yeah. And that's important to note as well.

00:38:03.380 And that is in the data.

00:38:04.600 The government jobs are down again, not to a point where it would outweigh some of the other stuff we're talking about, but it is it is down.

00:38:13.160 We expect there to be more of that coming.

00:38:17.040 And, you know, I think you can you can look at that and I think it is an important factor.

00:38:22.680 It doesn't necessarily overwhelm the fact that these these reports for jobs have not been positive.

00:38:27.340 You know, it doesn't over.

00:38:28.640 Well, not because, you know, again, to me and you, you know, government jobs going away is a necessary thing.

00:38:35.740 It might hurt the job number reports for a few months.

00:38:39.320 But like Carol Roth has been saying for months, got to be careful.

00:38:42.420 Don't want to move too fast on that.

00:38:43.960 Yeah. You don't want to.

00:38:44.520 Yep. And I think you got to be careful.

00:38:45.620 But I don't I don't look at I look at that as a situation that is needed.

00:38:50.120 And I think Donald Trump does as well.

00:38:52.140 So I don't look at that and say, OK, well, that's, you know, I'm going to sit here and cry about government jobs going away.

00:38:58.220 And it'll take time for people who've lost those government jobs to find their way in, you know, in another industry.

00:39:04.880 But it is an important part to to note that that is, you know, a chunk of this picture.

00:39:10.740 So here's what I would really like to I'd like to try to reframe this in your mind as a listener.

00:39:17.600 If I can.

00:39:20.840 We have got to stop looking at everything through the lens of the glasses that we have always used our entire life, my entire life.

00:39:31.780 You can look at job numbers and you can say, well, it's this or this.

00:39:34.680 We have to fix this.

00:39:35.600 And this is growth.

00:39:36.420 And this is not.

00:39:37.720 And, you know, here's the growth industry.

00:39:39.680 Honestly, we don't know what tomorrow holds anymore because of A.I., because of this this A.I. revolution that we are on the verge of.

00:39:49.820 And I've told you this for years, but maybe it will start to make sense to you.

00:39:54.840 Between now and 2030, that's four years now and 2030, there will be as much change to business and life itself as there has been for the last 400 years.

00:40:14.880 So from the moment of the Enlightenment until today, that amount of change is coming in the next four to five years.

00:40:25.320 And that's so huge, it's hard to believe or get your arms around.

00:40:29.900 But that is true.

00:40:31.700 So when we look at jobs, I mean, you know, if I were looking short term and I'm 20 and I'm like, OK, what do I do?

00:40:39.080 I learn how to weld.

00:40:40.420 I learn how to build.

00:40:42.400 I learn how to get involved in building power plants and server farms because I know that's an industry that is going to grow in the next five to 10 years.

00:40:53.620 It's going to be nonstop growth.

00:40:55.460 And A.I. is not going to be able to take over an actual build yet, maybe in the 10 years, maybe, but not right away.

00:41:04.800 So it's going to take labor. 0.86

00:41:06.600 If I'm looking to do something in labor, that's the kind of labor I'm looking at.

00:41:12.400 Um, you know, but when you're going to school, what do you go to school for health care?

00:41:19.980 And I, I'm telling you, I.

00:41:23.980 Being a doctor is getting harder and harder.

00:41:27.040 You don't necessarily, you know, make the kind of money that you used to because you've got this gigantic bill you're paying off.

00:41:33.720 Um, and it's very frustrating.

00:41:36.480 And I believe in within 10 years, I think easy in 10 years, um, there's going to be so much growth on A.I.

00:41:44.760 That you, your job as a doctor will be more of handholding, um, than anything else.

00:41:51.920 I mean, you still for a while will be doing surgery, but if you're a doctor, you should be doing robotic surgery right now.

00:41:58.000 You should be looking, you should be leading, uh, the movement in robotic surgery, um, to be able to, um, do what you do faster and better.

00:42:08.800 And using new technology, um, in, in healthcare, I think the, I think the growth and I could be wrong.

00:42:17.380 I don't know anything about healthcare.

00:42:18.520 Just, just trying to understand, let me say it this way.

00:42:25.560 What is the biggest problem our kids are dealing with right now?

00:42:29.520 They're dealing with nothing having meaning and they're dealing with the, whether they know it or not, they're dealing with these problems because they are, they don't have real human connection anymore.

00:42:46.100 Okay.

00:42:46.780 They're talking to each other all the time, but it's all on, you know, it's, it's all on text.

00:42:53.380 They're not relating.

00:42:55.200 And when you're sick, there comes a time that you're going to need human interaction and you're going to be monitored by all kinds of A.I.

00:43:03.000 devices and everything else.

00:43:04.260 And you're in the hospital, whatever.

00:43:06.100 You may not have a lot of nurses because A.I.

00:43:08.840 will be doing all of the, the grunt work, if you will.

00:43:12.080 Um, but there's going to come a time where nurses are so important because they're your human connection.

00:43:18.920 You need to look somebody in the eye who's human that can hold your hand.

00:43:24.800 Um, the, the empathetic things are going to be a growth industry.

00:43:32.040 And I'm not sure I even know what this is.

00:43:34.480 I'm just thinking about these things, uh, out loud.

00:43:37.700 Um, but sending your kid into college right now to be an accountant.

00:43:46.360 Again, this is not my area of expertise.

00:43:49.960 So take it for what it's worth, but I would reconsider if you're going in for law, I would reconsider.

00:43:57.260 Um, already, you know, the law clerks that those jobs are gone, those jobs are gone or quickly going away because you can get A.I.

00:44:07.980 to do so much.

00:44:09.900 Um, you're going to need somebody to argue cases, but you're not going to need somebody that needs to go through, you know, uh, go through all of the records, all of the, uh, law check.

00:44:23.100 You know, can you read this contract and check this contract to make sure it's right.

00:44:27.360 A.I. is already doing most of that.

00:44:30.000 You know, you just don't necessarily know that, but the attorneys do.

00:44:34.140 You're going to school.

00:44:35.560 And in this time, it might be better until we know what's coming to focus on trade, uh, to focus on trade schools.

00:44:48.640 For instance, you know, building, welding, uh, healthcare, um, things that you can do, uh, even temporarily, um, or honestly things that make you more empathetic, um, instead of building debt for a world where you just don't know what's going to be.

00:45:09.360 I mean, honestly, accounting, it's, it's, the machine's going to do it.

00:45:15.420 A machine is going to do it.

00:45:17.320 Um, it's just the way it is.

00:45:19.400 You're going to need the personal interface, but the, this large pool is not going to be needed and everything is going to change.

00:45:29.480 So when you're looking at these job numbers, what we should be talking about is that these, these numbers may actually be good looking back three years from now.

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The Glenn Beck Program - August 01, 2025

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