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Vivek Ramaswamy has some thoughts on Trump. Steve Dacey talks about the snow in Iowa. Glenn Beck talks about global warming. And why you should vote for Trump if you re a liberal.
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So let me tell you about the podcast today. It is really, really good. If you're into the coverage of the race tonight, the caucus in Iowa, we have Steve Dace on about that. We have Vivek Ramaswamy on about Trump and what he said. And really, why vote for you, Vivek, if you're Trump light?
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He had some things to say about that. Also, a woman, Anna Stanley, she is she's from the foreign office in the UK. She was a civil servant and she went to King's College in England for a seminar on basically homeland security and domestic terror threats.
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She had to point out several times, wait a minute, 70 percent of the terrorist activity in the United Kingdom is from Islamic extremists.
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They wanted to make sure that everybody understood that's not true. And it's coming from just everyday, ordinary people that are the ones that are the terrorists because they're against what the government is saying to do.
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And Joe Rogan was brought up, Charles Murray and Joe Rogan brought up in that as something the government would like to silence, but they can't get away with.
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So they're waiting for the private sector to figure out a way to eliminate or silence them.
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Steve, what does it feel like on the ground in Iowa?
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Right now, it's minus eight, and I want to scream that like the publisher in Elf.
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I mean, Glenn, I've lived in this same house for 17 years.
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I've never seen snow drifts in my front walk this high.
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This is soul-crushing, go in a corner, and begin self-harm levels of cold.
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And if Kansas City could play on Saturday in negative four without sleeves,
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Now, comparing the average Iowa to the best athletes in America might be a bit of a...
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But some of us are going to, and that's the thing, though, Glenn, I don't know what some
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I mean, I went to the last, the campaign closing event for Ron DeSantis last night, and even
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in one of our largest suburbs of Ankeny, to get up hills, I still had to go four-wheel
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drive in residential areas three days after this snow left.
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The blowing, the drifting, most of our residential areas are covered in ice, sheets of ice.
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Our school kids in the metros are looking at maybe a five-day weekend between the closures
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last week, and then today's a holiday, and then probably tomorrow as well.
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I mean, we have this thing called winter every year, you know, and the caucuses are usually
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in January and February, but this is pretty extraordinary.
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There's wind chill warnings throughout the state, literally telling elderly people, do
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It is, the turnout model here tonight is going to be very fascinating.
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Well, there you go, yet another victim of global cooling, global warming, or whatever
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So, who do you think are the most motivated people?
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I mean, you know, I read about Nikki Haley's crew, and the latest poll shows she's only got
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about 9% of those who are behind her really exhilarated by her campaign.
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So, between that and now the Democrats saying they're going to show up and caucus for her,
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is she going to actually perform at that 20% that the register said she was going to perform
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It really raised expectations for her campaign, because most people are just going to read the
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And if you read the cross tabs, basically, her base of people isn't motivated to vote
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for and prefers Biden in the general election, right?
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So, brother, if I don't know how many Republicans are going to show up in this weather and sit
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around for an hour to caucus, I sure as hell don't think there's going to be a lot of Democrats
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and independents that want to come in and hang out with people they probably don't like,
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So, I actually, if you made me make one prediction, I would predict, I think she's going to finish
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closer to Vivek Ramaswamy tonight than to Ron DeSantis.
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I think this has largely been astroturf this entire time.
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The Des Moines Register poll is wrong every caucus cycle.
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I have no idea why it's held up as a gold standard.
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It's held up as a gold standard, but it's wrong every cycle.
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And it's held up by the same people that tell you it's a gold standard, told you a couple
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of winters ago that Chinese face diapers are 99% effective against airborne contagions,
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They've got the best data, but they have the best observation.
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I think the fact the former president hustled to get up here one final time over the weekend,
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Like, you know, Glenn, I mean, he's been favored by 50 points in these polls all year.
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People are going to be like, what the hell's going on?
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And now you're starting to see late in the process, the organization that the DeSantis
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campaign built, which was patterned a lot after what we built on the Cruz campaign
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Now you're starting to see it kind of harvest and have a fruition.
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I could see him getting anywhere from, say, 20 to 38.
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I could see Trump getting anywhere from 35 to 50.
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I think it's that volatile with the turnout model right now because of the weather and
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I know that you are, you know, you've jumped on the DeSantis bandwagon.
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Who has the most walk through a wall of fire, or in this case, walk through an ice storm,
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And you know this because you came here to campaign with Cruz against the former president
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in 2016, so you saw this with your own eyes, that the evangelical base in Iowa is not like
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what you see in a lot of red states for Donald Trump.
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And so, you know, for example, he won our state in the general election twice.
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You know, people like me that worked for 10 years to try to make Iowa look like Texas.
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You know, the last nut we couldn't crack is we couldn't convince rural counties to vote
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Republican because they thought we were all corporatists.
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And Trump was kind of the last, he was the last ingredient in the formula here that helped
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us split this state red by flipping about 30 counties that voted for Obama once or twice.
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But Iowans take this process, you know, I wouldn't say very serious.
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I wish the rest of the country took it as seriously as Iowa does.
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They are a year out and they are already gathering together in their towns and listening to campaign
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And so I think they're able to look at, for example, they can say, hey, I love what the
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I know there's a big debate in the Republican Party right now with the Trump brand has done,
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you know, in places like suburban states and exurban states.
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But in a rural state like Iowa, he's been a plus benefit.
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But Iowans are also able to say, yeah, yeah, just because I liked him before doesn't mean
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And so I think that there will be some soft Trump supporters that will flip to DeSantis
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tonight based on the strength of his organization.
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What that number will be, though, I have absolutely no idea.
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Where will where will Nikki Haley's voters go if they flip?
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First of all, I think she's relying a lot on people that don't traditionally vote Republican.
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And just so people understand what I mean by turnout models, you know, typically we get
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about 25 or 26 percent of Republicans will turn out in a caucus this year.
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It's going to be less because we have more Republicans in Iowa than ever before, about
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So if we have, say, a turnout of one hundred and fifty thousand, which I think would be
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pretty good in this in this weather, you're talking about almost only one out of every
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OK, so if most of in most of her and people ask, why is that?
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Because in the caucus, you vote the way the founding fathers did.
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You don't show up, pull a curtain on your break and walk out.
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You may be asked to give an account for why you're voting the way you are.
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The process can take an hour or more in some places, depending on how large the precinct
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So you've got to be really committed to wanting to be a part of the process to take part in
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And and that's just not the kinds of people that typically vote for a Nikki Haley.
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Why do you suppose DeSantis, who before this race started, seemed like it could be a lot
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closer between him and Donald Trump, and it just hasn't materialized.
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It did it first and then it just kind of dissipated.
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Well, if you go and look and I think let's find out what happens tonight.
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I think I think tonight will give us I'll probably be able to answer this question more
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for you tomorrow in terms of both its premise and application based on what happens tonight.
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But preemptively, you know, if you look at the RealClearPolitics national polling average
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on March 30th, it was something like 42 Trump, 32 DeSantis.
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And he wouldn't even be a candidate for another almost two months.
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A week later on April 6th, Trump is now up like 54 to 25.
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What happened is on March 31st, Donald Trump got indicted by Alvin Bragg.
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And the biggest pin and pull and yin and yang of this cycle has been, you know, what's
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So you have these you have these dual, you know, philosophies.
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Trump can't can't win another national election.
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We've lost every national election cycle since he miraculously won in 2016 versus vis-a-vis
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And, you know, I want him to return like MacArthur in the Philippines.
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And if you look at the internals of a lot of the polls that had him with way ahead of
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DeSantis, what you'll see is in favorabilities, DeSantis is either even with Trump or often
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And I think the biggest sell that Ron DeSantis has had to make, I think there's a lot of
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people, I think what people like you and me see on Twitter, that we've destroyed Ron
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DeSantis' brand, but, you know, these Trump influencers, that's just not true.
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If it were, his favorables would have plummeted.
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I think what DeSantis has had to do is get out of the friend zone.
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He's got to make the sale that his time is now.
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And I think people are torn between, do we turn the page from Trump or do we finish the
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And that's why I said, I want to see and wait what happens tonight to give you a more definitive
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answer, because I think this will be the first verdict on how successful can you be convincing
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people that Trump's time has passed and it's your time now as opposed to 2028.
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And if he performs, if he falls into third, you think he's done or not?
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I think he's going, there's two things I'm confident in.
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It'll be a disappointing turnout and he's going to overperform, but I don't know what
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I mean, I, I think the, the, when, when we're talking rural America, rural Iowa, where Trump's
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needs huge turnouts and, and people may have to drive tractors to get to precinct sites,
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I, I just, you know, um, the, you know, he, he, the average Fox news viewer is 69 years
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I don't know how, how many of those people are going to come out in this weather, given
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their health and the dangers of the ice and everything else.
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We have, uh, Vivek Ramaswamy on, uh, with us now from Iowa.
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Uh, I have to ask you about the thing from Donald Trump this weekend.
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He said, Vivek started his campaign as a great supporter.
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Unfortunately, now he's disguising his support in the form of deceitful campaign tricks.
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Yeah, I think he had a kinder post this morning that he put up as well.
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I mean, look, I think there's a couple of things going on here, Glenn, just to speak
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One is anybody who's on the ground here in Iowa is seeing a very late surge here for
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Many of the people who were expected to endorse Trump, very strong America first patriots
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like Steve King, who I think was wrongly denigrated by the media.
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He actually came out in strong and full-throated support of me because of a couple of the positions
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I've taken here in Iowa for Iowans against eminent domain, against the climate change
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cult and a carbon capture pipeline here in the state.
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So anyway, I think there's a lot of momentum here in my direction.
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I think another factor, though, is in this whole race, Glenn, I don't care if it's left
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And there's one hard truth that is staring us in the face.
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I have stood against these persecutions against Trump more strongly than anybody else.
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I filed an amicus brief with the Supreme Court last week, pushing back against the
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And Glenn, I'm going to be really honest with you.
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The reason I filed an amicus brief is I don't have the confidence that Trump's team was going
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to make all of the correct legal arguments that needed to be made, because it needs to
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be the right thing for the country, which is why I did it.
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But we have to be realistic for this country and open our eyes that there's a plot and it's
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They want to narrow this down to a two horse race between Trump and a puppet who they can
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People, as you were just alluding to, one way or another, eliminate Trump from contention
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But then they can trot their puppet into the White House.
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And we owe it to this country to make sure that it doesn't happen.
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And so some people would say, why are you in this race?
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It's because I have a responsibility to this country to make sure that does not happen.
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Last time it was a man-made pandemic and a rigged election.
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And I increasingly worry, Glenn, it means nothing.
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And so I'm worried for the future of this country.
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I think we're skating on thin ice as a country and we cannot fall for the trap that's been
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And yes, the truth hurts sometimes, but the first step to actually solving it is to see
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You know, the Democrats always tip their hand because whatever they accuse the right of,
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And it disturbs me because this is the first time I've heard from a credible source, you
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know, credible in quotation marks, like NBC News, where they are actually saying that
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Donald Trump could assassinate his political enemies.
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Well, you have to skate to where the puck is going, people.
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I do think we're in the middle of a deeper war in this country.
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And I think it goes even beyond just this realm.
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I think that there's a form of spiritual warfare in this country right now.
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And I think that it is something that we have to open our eyes to as a reality that this
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system is corrupt and they will stop at nothing.
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And you look at the electoral tactics they were trying to use and the lawsuits and now
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forget the judicial system, just remove him from the ballot because somebody says on a
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whim in the state of Maine that we're removing him.
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They are selling us the rope today that they will use to hang us tomorrow.
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They want to eliminate Trump and they want to trot a puppet who they can control into the
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And so I'm actually going to be the one who's able to make sure that that doesn't happen
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if I'm able to do my responsibility to this country by being in this race and seeing it
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And so I think that our movement, sometimes the truth hurts, but we owe it to this country.
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Our America First movement did not start in 2016.
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And so I know some of the hard Trump supporters, and heck, I was one of them, right?
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And I am, in spirit of what it represents, still part of that, and support Donald Trump against
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But we owe it to this country to make sure we don't look back a year from now.
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All the people who will say, well, you're taking votes away from Trump, and so why are
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And a year from now, let's say things play out exactly the way that I've said it.
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They then trot in a puppet into the White House so they can control.
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And are we going to say, oh, we were shocked that that happened?
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Or are we going to say, what the heck were we thinking when we fell right into that trap
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and we have a puppet in the White House rather than an America First patriot?
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I'm talking about whatever puppet is they can control.
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And I think Nikki Haley is looking like the next one they're trying for in the Republican
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And if they fail with that, then it's going to be the next puppet who's Gavin Newsom or whoever
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The deep state, I think, is agnostic to whether the R or the D comes after your name.
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It's whether you advance the consistent permanent war agenda and the surveillance state agenda
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Nikki Haley has said she wants driver's license tied to every social media account and internet
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I don't know if that's coming from Jack Smith or Joe Biden or Nikki Haley, but they want
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Donald Trump and a puppet who they can control, eliminate Trump and trot in their puppet.
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So you just said you're going all the way to the end.
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If you finish fourth in the next three, let's just say, you won't drop out?
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Well, that's not what's going to happen, Glenn, first of all.
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I think we're going to shock the world at the Iowa caucus tonight.
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And anybody who isn't on the ground here, I think, has their head in the sand.
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I think people who are here on the ground are seeing a late surge.
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You see the likes of Steve Holt or Steve King, some of the strongest constitutional conservatives
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in the state, switching their endorsements, some of them.
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Others, surprise, endorsing me at the late cycles in the last 72 hours.
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And so I think we're going to deliver a major shock tonight.
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And I do think that there is a plan hiding in plain sight.
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And if we have our eyes closed to it, shame on us.
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Last time it was a man-made pandemic and a rigged election, as I said.
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And we deserve and require an America First patriot in the White House, rather than a puppet
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for the permanent state, which is what we're going to get otherwise.
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I mean, he asked me last week who he should pick as vice president.
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He can make great cases for the American people, et cetera, et cetera.
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And I think he's a young up-and-comer that would make a good president at some point.
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Let me say a word about that one, Glenn, actually.
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I haven't really given that a lot of thought until a million people asked me that.
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And here's the answer to that question is, that would need to be a discussion with Trump
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where I would say, listen, I want you to make sure we're on the same page.
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I don't want to build a new building for the FBI.
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I don't want to have crony subsidies to carbon capture pipelines.
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I actually do think we need accountability in our own Republican Party, that we shouldn't
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support the likes of Ronna McDaniel sitting in that seat, that we should on day one actually
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pardon every peaceful January 6th protester and see that through.
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Admit that there were some mistakes made in the past and we're going to correct for them
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with the vaccines and make sure that vaccine liabilities for companies, that we don't get
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And I'd want to make sure we're on the same page about those things right now.
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I'm the only one who's taken a lot of those positions.
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But the way I'm looking at it, Glenn, is right now in this race, if I have that long
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list to say that in order to be vice president, I'd need an agreement from Donald Trump that
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he agrees with me and is committed to seeing each of those things through all the way through,
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yes, shutting down the FBI, not building a new building or reforming it.
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But right now, given that that list is long, here's how I'm doing.
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And it is at a certain point, the list is long enough that you say the best way I can
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do this is actually about being the next president, leading from the front and taking Donald Trump
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as my advisor to do the right thing for this country, which I will do if I'm the president.
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My plan for the border is use our military to seal it.
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We've got 40,000 troops in places like Germany where they don't advance our interest.
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Germany isn't paying for its own national self-defense.
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They can move those troops to our own border, end federal funding for sanctuary cities.
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And I go further, end birthright citizenship for the kids of illegals.
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That ends the incentives to come here for an anchor baby.
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And anybody who's in this country illegally must be returned to their country of origin.
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The existing laws allow you to leverage local law enforcement to serve the warrants.
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No president has done it, but the existing laws allow for it.
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And so I do think it takes a president, Glenn, and this goes to the question about Trump and myself,
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takes a president from the outside who has sharp elbows and can break things.
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And Trump brings that, and I think I bring that on steroids.
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But I also think it's going to take a president who knows and deeply understands personally
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So we're not going to be duped by that same swamp class of advisors.
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And so that's why I'm in this, and I'm going to see this through to the very end.
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And I believe I have a duty to this country to see this through.
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And either way, it has to be an America First Patriot in that White House.
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To listen to the rest of this interview, check out the full show podcast.
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So I read an article by Anna Stanley last week, and it was hair-raising.
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I sent it to all of my relatives, and I said, and so it begins.
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She attended a King's College course called Issues Encountering Terrorism.
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It was organized by the Center for Defense Studies, designed for civil servants and professionals
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Staff from the Foreign Office of the UK, Ministry of Justice, Ministry of Defense, Home Office.
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And it was all a three-day course with lecturers from King's College, visiting senior research
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fellows, professors, and they included those who held former positions such as permanent
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secretary of the Home Office, director of GCHQ, defense minister, and foreign office director.
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This is involving some of the greater minds and the known names in England.
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I found your article terrifying, really terrifying.
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It was a course for civil servants, so that is staff enacting the will of the UK government.
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Only the lecturers were espousing views which were very contrary to that, which the government
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is trying to perpetuate at the moment in the realm of counterterrorism.
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There was one point where the lecturer actually went against the latest government-commissioned
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review of Prevent, and he actually derogatively characterized William Shawcross, who wrote the
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review of Prevent, as saying, all counterterrorist professionals are woke.
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So in the UK, Prevent is the UK's counterterrorism strategy.
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It looks at radicalization in the UK and how to tackle it.
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And it's the policy that all counterterrorism professionals follow.
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And there was recently a review, but it gets reviewed every few years.
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And it basically obviously gets reviewed for how effective it's being.
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And there's been a massive movement over the last few years, or an attempt movement, I should
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say, rather, to put ideology at the center of counterterrorism.
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This is something Shawcross is arguing, because basically, previously, people who committed
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It was seen as a safeguarding issue in the UK, you know, they would acknowledge that maybe
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these people have been victims of crime, or linked to crime, or they've been in domestic
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There was a real lack of giving them responsibility, but also placing ideology as a major motivating
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And one of the lecturers really went against that recommendation of the Shawcross review,
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as well as, yeah, many other parts of the course which were deeply concerning.
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So what I got from you and other sources is, and we can see it happening, is a softening
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of people, of calling out terrorists who might happen to be Islamic extremists, and instead
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pinning extremism on the regular, you know, Joe on the streets of England, and saying that
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those who believe in England and freedom and everything else, that those might be the terrorists.
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And in my article, I basically referenced that one of the civil servant attendees basically
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professed that her brother had actually been radicalized and fought for the Islamic State
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in Syria, which I think is quite a dramatic revelation.
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Later on, we were shown a video which was actually a jihadi from London, and it was an
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advertisement to recruit people into Syria to fight for jihad.
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And this same person, she was also a civil servant.
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We were all given a presentation to do as part of the course, and hers was basically undermining
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prevent and saying that it's inherently racist because it focuses on Islamist extremism, and
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Yeah, I mean, to be honest, I was so shot, especially the revelation about the brother.
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I mean, I was really looking around the room like, what did she just say that?
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People really just didn't think it was a big deal.
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And the facts do point out that 70% of terrorist attacks in the UK are Islamist, correct?
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I basically used the comparison of people who smoke and said that around 70% of lung
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So you would expect it would be really counterproductive not to discuss that, just to not cause
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So in that same logic, it'd be very bizarre not to discuss Islamist extremism just because
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there are Muslims who would find that uncomfortable.
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Smokers would find cancer uncomfortable if you kept pointing it out, too.
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The overall, is this coming from a political correctness?
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Where did this start and what's the purpose behind it, do you think?
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Look, it's one of those things that's hard to answer because I think it's so many things.
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I think ultimately identity politics, the kind of worldview that puts power, views everything
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Unfortunately, Jews often come out bottom there.
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Well, they come out the top in the sense they're viewed at the top of the social hierarchy.
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And also identity politics breeds the kind of things that says, one of the slides read,
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condemning terrorism is to endorse the power of the strong over the weak.
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And terrorism is not the problem, rather the systems may oppose the terrorists.
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These are ideas which people often wrongly but do apply to Israel because they view Palestinians
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as being unequal in kind of asymmetric warfare.
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And even though I think people usually aren't overtly, explicitly anti-Semitic, the types of
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identity politics that they end up consuming often end up affecting Jews and Israel, too,
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I read a story about Sir Lindsay Hoyle, the Speaker of the UK House of Commons.
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And there was a diary note from his office that said he was going to meet with the Palestinian
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ambassador to Britain last week, and that as part of a speaker-led diplomacy, we will be
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flying the Palestinian flag in honor of the Palestinian ambassador.
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But the problem is, there is no Palestinian ambassador.
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I mean, you know, I know that America and the UK and Europe, they're all experiencing mass
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extremism on the streets, people coming out protesting in the name of pro-Palestine.
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But actually, they're deeply anti-Semitic and anti-Israel.
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But more importantly, perhaps for your show, they're not just anti-Semitic and anti-Israel.
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They're anti-American ideals that I know you hold dearly.
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And that is often at the crux of it, lying underneath, I think, influencing these people,
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But I think actually, yeah, people are aware of it more than people give them credit for.
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So we just had a whistleblower here in the United States testify in front of Congress that we have the American Pentagon
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and our intelligence agencies, along with the British military intelligence,
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working together with five eyes to spy on the American people and the Western people
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to find those that are radical and then suppress them as much as possible, discredit,
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even use banking as a way to separate them from society,
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and if they have strong voices, to shut it down.
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And then I read your story to where one of the lecturers said,
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to what extent should Joe Rogan and Douglas Murray be suppressed?
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So society needs to find other ways to suppress them.
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Oh, look, I mean, I was so godfaxed when I heard that.
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I can, I only hope that he was speaking very freely and ad lit,
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and he by no means intended those words to be as sinister as they sound.
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I think he was really just revealing the types of sensorial views and inclinations that a lot of people have within academia.
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And of course, he was talking to a room full of civil servants as well.
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And you're right, there is a trend towards suppression of what is deemed as radical voices.
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But yeah, he's considered far right by this lecturer in counterterrorism.
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I believe his bank account was closed down because of his views as well, which is a deeply disturbing precedent to be set.
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I mean, it seems as though as I watch Europe and even the acts of Brexit and what's happening here,
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each country is being told it's just a few of these crazy whatever, you know, farmers or, you know, radical farmers or radical conservatives here in America, whatever it is.
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But it seems to me the same message is coming from the people, and that is, I'd like my country back.
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I'm tired of the elites telling us exactly what to do because you're screwing it up as elites.
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Yeah, I think it really depends who you talk to.
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I think in England, a phrase that gets banded around a lot is the silent majority.
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And it seems that we do have a kind of silent majority in the UK who are saying exactly the kind of thing you just said.
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But in the civil service, very much in academia, it's very unpopular to talk about things like freedom of speech, freedom of expression, and talk about examples in society where they're coming under threat.
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It's really considered something that the right, in averted commas, do.
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I know you're speaking from America and, you know, people say right wing there more casually.
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You really would never hear someone describing themselves as that in the UK, you know.
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The types of things that advocates on the right in America are arguing for, freedom of expression and free speech.
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It's really, yeah, it's really unpopular to do that in the UK, in the civil service and in academia.
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And unfortunately, these are the institutions which influence policy.
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So this course that I went on, you know, it's, how do I put it?
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But it is deeply concerning because ultimately these are people who are making policy that will eventually potentially be the difference between life and death.
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And that's why I hope to shed a light on it and what I experienced that.
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And I thank you for your voice and anything we can do to help amplify it because it's not just happening in America or England.
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This is a threat to all of the Western world and the freedom, you know, the freedom just to be able to decide your own way in life and not have it dictated by people in high office that, you know, we're all becoming serfs again.