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Glenn takes on one of the most insane articles I've ever read, and Sarah Gonzalez talks about a brand new documentary on voter fraud. Plus, a look at how ESG is destroying freedom of speech and freedom of thought in America.
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Great podcast today. We take on the first part of the program is one of the most insane articles
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I've ever read that shows you how ESG works just on a personal level. How this whole wokeness is
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just destroying people and what it means to freedom of speech and freedom of thought and a society
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that can move forward. Then we talked to Sarah Gonzalez about a brand new documentary on voter
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fraud that the blaze has released today. It's out, but you need to hear some of the things that are in
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it. It's really nuts. And some good news. We have Wilford Riley on. He has just written a book
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about the lies his liberal teacher told me. He's an associate professor at Kentucky State University,
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and I don't think he has tenure, so this interview and his book's probably not going to help
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about in the university world. But it is really worth listening to and learning new kinds of truths
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that have been buried now by the left for so long. All that and so much more on today's podcast.
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You're listening to the best of the Glenn Beck program.
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Now, I want to share something with you. And I want to show you
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one of the most dangerous articles and irresponsible
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so-called journalists that I know. And I mean, I know him. He worked at the Blaze for quite some time.
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And then he went to CNN. And his name is Oliver Darcy. And I don't know what happened to Oliver.
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But he has gone very, very dark and is a danger to our democracy. Now, with that being said,
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our republic, with that being said, I would I cheer on that Oliver Darcy can say what he wants to say.
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I think it is irresponsible. I think he is. Well, let me just read the article and you'll see.
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Okay. CNN. Ticketmaster under fire for promoting Tucker Carlson's conspiracy-laden tour.
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Ticketmaster is linking arms with right-wing extremists, boosting their ability to reach
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mainstream audiences and profiting off their dangerous and hateful rhetoric ahead of the
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November election. Ticketing sales giant is the distributor of the forthcoming live speaking tour
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from Tucker Carlson, who announced plans this week to crisscross the country with a 15-city arena tour,
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inviting fellow conspiracy theorists such as Alex Jones and Marjorie Taylor Greene to join him along the way.
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Yeah, in two cities, those are the guests. I'm a guest in another city.
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Megyn Kelly is a guest in another city. I don't know what to tell you. I'm sorry you think they're
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all so dangerous and their voices should be silenced. So what is he doing so far?
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Listen, on Ticketmaster website, Carlson is referred to as the leading voice in America politics and an
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alternative to corporate media dedicated to telling the truth about things that matter clearly and
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without fear. So he's doing a couple of things here. First of all, he is attacking Ticketmaster.
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The approach is not to just say, you shouldn't go and here's why. The approach is, go after Ticketmaster.
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Force Ticketmaster through pressure campaigns to drop Carlson. He is then also making his reality
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and his opinion, your opinion, America's opinion, the only correct opinion, that Carlson is not one of
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the leading voices in American politics. He absolutely is. And an alternative to corporate media
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dedicated to telling the truth about things that matter clearly and without fear. That's what he sets
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out to do. And he is an alternative to corporate media. And speak without fear. Yeah, you know what you
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have to fear? People like Oliver Darcy smearing you and making you into a monster. He does it anyway
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because he doesn't care. While it's hard to imagine that Ticketmaster conjured this glowing description of
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Carlson itself, it's remarkable that the company would approve of it and promote it on its site. This is
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the ESG mentality. This is the way business will be done in the future in this new corporate public
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private partnership with our governments. This is the way things will be done. You will be shamed
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into doing something. That's because there's not a morsel of truth to how Ticketmaster is presenting
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Carlson to its customer. Wow, not a morsel of truth. Carlson, a former mainstream conservative
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who over the course of Donald Trump's pregnancy, presidency, traveled to the fringes of American
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politics, has for years promoted dangerous disinformation and damaging conspiracy theories.
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Carlson lied about the COVID-19 vaccines. Did he? Did he? He discouraged his fans from
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receiving the life-saving shots. Okay, well, that's kind of looking like a smart move at
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this point. He's so doubt about the legitimacy of the 2020 election. Well, wait a minute. What
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is CNN doing every time they have Hillary Clinton on or Al Gore on or anybody else? Don't you often
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have, what's her name, the governor of Georgia? Isn't she often on CNN sowing conspiracy theories that
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she lost the election in Georgia? And then he reprehensibly peddled the false notion that January
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6th insurrection was a so-called false flag operation staged by the deep state. Okay, he peddled that
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theory. What does that mean exactly? Peddled that theory. By the way, all the things that he's
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pointing out here seem to be more and more true. I don't know. There's still theories haven't been
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proven. But in America, in a free society, you must be allowed to conjure up theories like,
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hey, the sun doesn't revolve around the earth. Controversial at the time, not controversial now.
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If you are not allowed to question the official narrative of what's happening in your society,
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you do not have a free society. And as I pointed out, more and more of these things seem to be true.
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And you have to go back and say, all right, who's telling me this? Do they have any credibility at all?
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I always tell you, I don't ask for your trust. I don't ask for it ever. I want you to listen to me
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as a different opinion that brings different facts to the table. But I don't want you to just take my
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word for it. I encourage you. Last night I did another show and I put all of the information,
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all of the facts, all of the original documents there on glennbeck.com so you could do your own
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homework and you could decide. It is, in a free society, essential that you question, in this case
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now, more and more, the government slash media narrative. The Hunter Biden laptop, does that
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come to mind? That's a conspiracy theory. The New York Times still cannot admit that that's really
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his. The Russian Trump bank link that he was pinging a bank. That was all false. CNN reported
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on that. The Steele dossier. The masks. You gotta have the masks. The COVID-19, it will stop it in
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its track. You will kill people if you don't have the vaccine. By the way, let alone everything that
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the governor of New York was doing with his brother on CNN. But those aren't dangerous conspiracy
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theories. No, those are truths that we still kind of think are true, but we're not going to look into
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them. Their own people are afraid to look into things because they can't. What they'll find is
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they're being duped at best. They are partners in duping America, most likely. In addition, he says,
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to those corrosive lies, Carlson has been one of the top promoters of the Great Replacement Theory,
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an idea favored by white supremacists that falsely accuses the Democratic Party and wealthy Jewish
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figures such as George Soros. So now he's making his victim here. He is making Carlson into a white
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supremacist and anti-Jewish because he talks about George Soros. Let me tell you, the only person in
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this narrative that is anti-Jewish is George Soros. The theory is that they're importing third world
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migrants into the U.S. to shift the country's demographics to win elections. That's a corrosive
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lie. No, that's a theory. You can look at it that way. I personally don't think that that's what
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that is. I personally think they're doing it to collapse the entire West. For his repugnant promotion
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of such lies, the New York Times noted that while Carlson was at Fox News, he constructed what may be
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the most racist show in the history of cable news. Well, I'm glad I don't have that now. Thank you,
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Tucker. Thank you, New York Times, for releasing me from the position of the most racist, hateful show
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ever on cable news. Ultimately, Carlson grew to be too much of a problem for even Fox News. Where have I
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read this before? Asked for comment this week. Representatives for the Live Nation subsidiary.
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Okay, notice this. First, it's Ticketmaster. But if you can't get Ticketmaster, go to its corporate
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master, Live Nation. So, not getting any answer from Ticketmaster. I'm going to go to their parent
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company and they chose not to respond. So, now it's Ticketmaster and Live Nation. In fairness to the
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company's public relations division, it is difficult to see how they could defend such conduct. How could
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any decent person not only participate in enabling Carlson's poisoning of the public discourse, but
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also justify profiting off of his hateful rhetoric in the process? We posed that question. Now, Ticketmaster,
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Live Nation, we posed those questions to the venues hosting Carlson, the Honda Center, T-Mobile Center,
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Delta Center, Dickey's Arena, Intrust Bank Arena, and others. The spokespeople didn't respond.
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These are uneasy questions that major businesses will be confronted with in the years ahead.
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As I said at the beginning, this is the ESG plan. As the Republican Party veers further and further
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toward the fringe, let me ask you something. Who is fringe? The one that says, I believe in the absolute
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right for freedom of speech. I believe in the right that you can question the government, you can
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question authority, and you have a right to your opinion. That's called the First Amendment here in
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America. So, am I fringe or Oliver Darcy and people like him on the left that are saying, no, you don't have a
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right to freedom of speech. We do. Okay. Companies with basic ethics should, of course, reject doing
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business with dishonest figures who profit by dumping toxic waste into the country's information
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environment. Well, you know, Oliver, be careful what you wish for, because that sounds like you.
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By doing so, puts them at risk of being targeted by those very same people like Trump, who have
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tremendous sway over the vast majority of Republicans and a lightning rod for painful boycotts.
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Hmm. Okay. Wait a minute. Painful boycotts. Now, again, he goes back to threatening businesses.
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But while the politics of 24 make for thorny business environment for companies to navigate,
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from an ethics perspective, and he knows ethics, the questions that lie before them come with clear
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and obvious answers. Those uncomfortable decisions risk catapulting them squarely in to the center of
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the information wars where grifters like Carlson thrive. You know, I don't agree with everything
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Tucker Carlson says. I certainly don't agree with anything that Oliver Darcy now has become and says.
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But I don't want him shut down. I don't want a boycott of CNN. I'd like people to recognize reality.
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You know, American Airlines and all you big businesses, why are you advertising on CNN?
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Literally no one is watching. So what is it that you're trying to signal and to whom?
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Because it's clearly not the American people. Because the American people aren't seeing their ads.
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I don't want them boycotted or anything else. I don't want Oliver Darcy to be silenced.
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I just think that someone with a different opinion should have the right to say,
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this guy's a jackass. This guy is trying to use absolutely every tool in the Saul Alinsky book.
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This article is 100% Saul Alinsky. He's using every Saul Alinsky tool in the book.
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To do what? To create fear in the corporate world. To create fear with you. To create fear
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of Tucker Carlson and anyone like him. And anyone who has a different opinion, you should fear
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and push away from you. The opposite is what you should do for a free nation. You should listen
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to other people's points of view and then decide for yourself. Who has credibility here? Who doesn't?
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Either you're going to stand for something or you're going to just keep sitting down and you'll fall
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for anything. What is worth standing for? When and where can you stand? Could you do business with
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companies that share your values? That's the easiest way. You and I are part of a movement dedicated to
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Blaze TV host of Sarah Gonzalez unfiltered. It was really hard. We started with the name
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and then we're like, we got to find a Sarah Gonzalez to be able to do this show.
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We might've thought about doing it a different way, but we found her and she's perfect. She is
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the perfect Sarah Gonzalez to host unfiltered. Sarah, welcome to the program. How are you?
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Thank you. Thanks for having me. I'm good. I consider that job security, Glenn.
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You're not going to find another Sarah Gonzalez and we've already named the show.
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Yeah, we looked, we looked. So anyway, you're doing another Blaze original. We've all been doing this.
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This is episode five. The documentary is called Voter Fraud Exposed, How Elections Can Be Stolen.
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I have to tell you, I saw a rough cut of it. I don't even know. A couple of weeks ago.
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Oh my gosh, Sarah. Yeah. Oh my gosh. Yeah. Just Michigan alone is. I mean, you sat down with
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the woman who was the secretary of state, right? Yes. Yeah. And she, I believe she was replaced
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by a secretary of state that was part of the George Soros thing. Correct. Correct. Yes. Jocelyn
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Benson. Yes. Uh-huh. And give people a clue on just, just Michigan. Sure. So yes. In 2018,
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Jocelyn Benson replaced Ruth Johnson. Ruth Johnson was a, you know, Republican who more importantly was
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interested in doing the right thing when it came to, you know, protecting the voter rolls and keeping
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them secure and fresh and, you know, dated. And so, or I should say, you know, not outdated. And so
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what Jocelyn Benson did, she is, as you pointed out, Soros funded. She is former SPLC, just to give
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you an idea of who she is and what she's about. Yeah. And so she is one of these. Well, Southern,
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in case you don't know that, that Southern Poverty Law Center, which is the worst of the worst.
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Yeah. Okay. Go ahead. Yeah. So, um, she is part of the secretary of state project that George Soros
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is funding. So she comes in to the state of Michigan and, uh, she tries to allow, uh, Michigan to count
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ballots that were received after election day. She was luckily sued and lost that battle. But
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since then we've had ballot referendums that you can have same day registration. This is proposition three
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in Michigan. You can have same day registration and you can register without showing a photo ID
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in the state of Michigan and your vote counts. Unbelievable. Yes. Yes. Yes. I mean,
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you need a photo ID for anything. Everything. Everything. Except for the most important,
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uh, thing a citizen can do. Right. Right. And well, and, and we point out in the documentary,
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it's like if I were not just in the state of Michigan, but I would imagine most other states and
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cities, if you go to your local library, you can't get a library card without showing your ID.
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It is insane that you shouldn't have to show your ID, uh, in order to participate in the voting
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process. And by the way, as this is something else we point out, it's like almost 80% of Americans,
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both left and right, agree that you should have to show a photo ID in order to vote. This is not a
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partisan thing. I go down the street, uh, from our ranch, there's a big lake across the street and
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I have to go about, I don't know, five miles to, uh, uh, um, this little, uh, crate, little kind of
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general store. I had to get a, uh, I had to get a fishing license. I needed ID. Everybody in there
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knows who I am. I needed ID to be able to get a fishing license. Did you guys see Texas
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representative Wesley Hunt talk about this? No. Uh, yesterday it's brilliant. He shows all of his
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government issued. He's black. He shows all of his government issued IDs, including a driver's
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license and, uh, you know, a passport. And he's got like six different forms of ID showing how
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insulting it is that the left is saying that blacks don't have ID. It's ridiculous. Well,
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this will give you kind of a clue into how sinister, uh, this, you know, this initiative is,
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is that Republicans in the state of Michigan, actually, uh, they had a bill that they passed
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that was going to expand and allow free photo ID for people. So there would be no excuse to say,
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well, it's too expensive. And you know, the, the, the idea is that minorities can't afford it,
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I guess, which is inherently racist. And we've been told they don't know where the DMV is. Right.
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Right. Which again, seems a little racist to assume. Um, but so governor Gretchen Whitmer actually
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vetoed that bill, but just to give you an idea of where, I mean, what possible reason as our friend,
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Steve Dace likes to say, what is the innocent benign explanation for vetoing such legislation?
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Mm hmm. There isn't one. So, uh, they, uh, they can't even now because of this new legislation,
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they can't even ask for ID. Correct. So you go in right to the voting, uh, booth, uh, you're going,
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you want to go into the voting booth, you go in and you say, my name's Glenn Beck. And, uh, you know,
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they'll probably, maybe, I don't even know, do they ask for an address and they look you up if
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you're on the rolls or in the case of Michigan, you can now just register. You can go in and say,
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I'm not registered. I want to register right now, but none of it is hooked up to the internet. So
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they can't verify anything. Right. And so you can go in and register and then just get a ballot and
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vote. What could go wrong? What could possibly go wrong? You know, and it's always from, uh,
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the left who claims that they care so much about democracy, which is just so laughable at this point,
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not that we have a democracy, but if you did care about democracy and you did care, you know,
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about the state of your country, you would want election integrity and security. That would be at
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the top of your list. And instead they are trying to, you know, uh, in the state of Michigan,
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I'll go back to Michigan again, in the state of Michigan, they now have a constitutional right
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to vote by mail. I mean, you are talking about such an outdated system. I think France banned it
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in like 1975. France uses paper. All of these other first world countries, civilized countries
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have decided that mail-in voting is terrible, a horrible way of doing things. Of course it is.
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Jimmy Carter coauthored a bipartisan report that said we cannot have mail-in voting because it makes it
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more likely to, you know, to have fraud and all sorts. I mean, this was something that we all
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agreed upon decades ago. And now all of a sudden there are states that are run by these left wing
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secretary of state, uh, you know, secretaries of state, and they are going in and changing the
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system to allow these types of things. Let me ask you, let me ask the, the average,
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the average person you're driving in your car and you hear about Glenn's bank say that you knew a
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Glenn that had any kind of credibility at all. And we, yeah, we invite you in to put your money,
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uh, in our bank and we're going to make it easy for you to, uh, write checks. We're going to make it
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easy for you to come in, withdraw your money. Um, we're never going to ask you for ID. Would you put
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your money in that bank? Absolutely not. Absolutely not. Right. So why would we do this
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with a leg on anything on anything? It's crazy. Um, so give me some white pill news. Can you?
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Yeah, I think so. I mean, um, everyone will see when they go and watch this new blaze originals that
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they can go watch right now. Um, they will see some hope in the sense that there are organizations
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that are working around the clock to prevent these types of things from happening. They are
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largely successful in the courts. One of them is of course, PILF, the public interest legal foundation.
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I spoke with them. They are suing the crap out of these states and out of these secretaries of states
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who are, are engaging in this business. They are suing about the, you know, all of the dead people
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on the voter rolls in the state of Michigan. The RNC is now suing the state of Michigan, um, for the,
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you know, it's just that there's 105% of Michigan population that's currently registered to vote.
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And you know, I'm not great at math, but I'm good enough to know that there's something a little bit
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wrong with that. So right. It's, it's, it's hard to have 105% of anything. You know what I mean?
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Yeah. I'm going to have 105% of that pie over there. Wow. That's a skill. Right. So, I mean,
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you know, in talking to these experts, uh, they say vote, don't be discouraged and not vote because
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we can still blow them out. We can still overwhelm the system and we should sunlight is the best
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disinfectant knowledge is power. I mean, we are exposing these people for what they are doing.
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And the more exposure that we can give them, the less likely it is that they are able to just commit
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this in broad daylight. And like I said, we have these, these legal foundations who are suing these
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states. And in most cases, in a lot of cases, they are largely successful in that. So if secretary of
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state Benson, isn't going to remove dead people from her voter rolls until the courts force her to,
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well, you know what, at the end of the day, she's still going to be forced to remove these people.
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So we are making moves. We have organizations that are tackling this, but we have to expose this
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for what it really is. Uh, I, I will tell you, I think that there is a, a good chance that
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a landslide does happen. Uh, I mean, I, I just can't imagine going into the booth and you being a
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Democrat and pulling the lever for more of this and saying, yeah, I want, I know. And, and, and I,
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I think Joe Biden, uh, is the guy to trust with possible world war three. I think he's got the
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economy, right? I think, you know, all of the things that he has done, you might pull it for
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RFK Jr. Or Trump, but I just cannot see people voting for him. And, and honestly, when people ask
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themselves, am I, am I, was I better off four years ago? Like a lot better off? The answer is yes.
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Uh, and you know, we've always asked, I wish somebody would just run this place like a business.
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Well, that's, that's what Donald Trump was doing and look at the results, uh, until COVID happened.
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So go out and vote. I think if everybody, they're going to try to black pill you. Um, but, uh, if,
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if you don't listen to that and you go out and vote, I think the numbers will be overwhelming.
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But what do I know? Well, I would tell you this too, Glenn. Um, there are certain states that have
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already passed election integrity, uh, you know, and voter security, uh, laws. So states like Georgia,
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Texas, Tennessee, Florida, I mean, the more states that are passing these voter integrity laws, which
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I know the left will tell you is racist and they'll tell you they're, they're not allowing you to drink
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water in line and all of these other lies. The fact of the matter is these are states that are making
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elections more secure and you know, we can have other states follow suit in that.
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All right. Blaze original episode number five, voter fraud exposed how elections can be stolen.
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It's a new doc and it's out now. If you are a blaze TV subscriber, if you're not go to blaze tv.com
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slash Glenn. And what is the promo code? Is it voter fraud? Voter fraud. Yes. Yeah. Voter fraud.
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Um, and you can watch it now. It's available, uh, on blaze TV. Sarah, thank you so much. Thank you.
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You're listening to the best of the Glenn Beck program.
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Wilfred Riley. Welcome to the program. How are you, sir?
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Yeah. Last time you were on, we were talking about the 1776 project, if I remember right.
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Yeah. We were talking about, uh, 1776 Unites and some of the issues with the 1619 project,
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which also, uh, come up in this book a little bit. Yeah. So talk about the, the lies, uh,
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my liberal teacher, uh, told me. Yeah. So the new book, I mean, you just, uh, you just named it.
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It's called lies. My liberal teacher told me, and it's a response to not just really one book,
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but kind of a trend in American education and American media. So there've been like eight or
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10 of these books over the past couple of decades. I mean, the one you mentioned,
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it's actually pretty good as James Lohan lies. My teacher told me it came out in 1995.
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But I mean, you also have, uh, the 1619 projects book, uh, 1619, a black history of America and the
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lies they're telling you that came out a couple of years ago. Uh, you have bury my heart and wounded
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knee a native American history of the United States, which is literally just a chronicling
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of all the battles. The Indians lost at none of the ones they won, which came out in 1968.
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You kind of wonder why the war went on for 400 years when you read it. Um, but I mean,
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that old communist Howard Zins, uh, a people's history of the United States and the lies they're
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telling you. And you kind of, I mean, we've all read these in high school or college. You kind of
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get the theme as you go through them, but reading them as an academic scientist, there are social
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scientists. There are two points that they, they really keep making. And one is kind of Western
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culture, white descent culture, American culture is the worst society in history. Like we oppressed
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women and we kept slaves and we treated battle captives horribly and no one else really did.
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And point two is if you know this, you are one of the elect, like the books will actually include
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lines. Like your parents probably don't know too much about feminism or don't know what happened
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to the Indian. So you're kind of one of the smart new kids. And when you think about it,
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that's what woke means. Like everyone was asleep and now you're awake. You're aware of what's really
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going on in this filthy society. So to me, the basic perspective that these authors were coming
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from was just BS. Like the idea that the American Academy is too patriotic and leans too far to the
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right and spends all day complimenting the USA was just crazy. So I decided to actually read the
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textbooks we've been using for the past, like 20 years, populations of people and all that,
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and see whether there was any element of truth to that at all. And, and what I found is there's
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some jingoistic stuff. Our troops get praised quite appropriately, but that most of the big lies in
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society are told from the other direction. And so in my book, I, I counter the two themes.
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One, obviously I don't think Western culture is any worse than any other human culture, Arabic,
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Chinese, so on. In fact, I think it's way better. And I make that argument, but at very least,
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if you put our society in context, you can't claim that the other great societies didn't also have
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slaves, which is something most Americans no longer know. Uh, you can't claim that women's rights
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existed really anywhere in the world outside of certain tribes before the last a hundred years
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or so. If battle captives in general were blinded or castrated or whatever, and then then you got
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to practice your boat rowing skills for the rest of your life. So these, these points I just make,
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and it's, it's important because we've almost forgotten that. But then I think the second point
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is more important. I make the point that the, the narrative that's presented as kind of edgy and
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rebellious like Marxism, light mainstream feminism, the left wing of the democratic party
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is not in fact, some rebellious thing that only cool high school kids know about.
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It's the absolute mainstream of society. AOC is in Congress. Joe Biden's in the white house.
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You know, pride parades are sponsored by Halliburton. So this is the educational curriculum.
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It's not some occasional supplement you get. And what I'm pointing out in the book is that most
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of the things that we are teaching are empirically wrong. Like the resistance is sort of the, the
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center right dad who's looking at this and thinking, wow, this is all BS, isn't it? So I try to write a
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book for that guy. So let me, um, let me take you through a couple of the topics in the book.
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Native Americans were peaceful people who spent all day dancing. Um, I, you know, I love, uh,
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Native American culture in history and some of them were really good, you know, like us,
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they were, you know, people, um, and they would war from time to time, but they were really good
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and tried to be fair and honest. And some of them were horrible monsters, just like, I don't know us.
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Yeah. Well, that's a point that I make that it, so someone once said, actually, I think
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interestingly enough, this was the slave trader, Tipu Tip, who would have known, but he said that
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the great weakness of the liberal or of the white man was the belief that other people were different
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from and better than you. And the great weakness of what he called the warrior, the barbarian was
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the belief that other people were different from and worse than you. And today we could probably sub
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in the liberal and the conservative, but his comment was that all people are pretty much just
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the same. Yes. All groups of people everywhere in the world have the exact same places. If you went
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to a stable black African country, Nigeria, Ghana, people would just be people. We went to a business
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meeting. They'd be people. You went to China, you know, a little regimented over there, but people
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would just be people. Certainly that'd be the case in Thailand, so on down the line. Um, and that's
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what we found with Native Americans. When I did serious research, yeah, there were tribes that were
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peaceful. Uh, most of those were in the process of being conquered when the white incomers arrived,
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by the way. But there were also a lot of warrior tribes that were brutal by any standard because
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you didn't have the regulations that existed in the old world. You didn't have the laws that
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had descended from Rome. You didn't have nations around you where a Christian king might check you
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if your behavior became too extreme. So you had people like the Aztecs who actually built a cannibal
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kingdom. It was about the size of Mexico. And if you lost a war with the Aztecs, they'd eat you.
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The surrounding nations would send in sort of hunger game style tributes to the Aztec empire
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every year. And there'd be an annual ceremony where they'd kill and eat 50,000 people.
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And none of this is disputed. It's why it's accepted in anthropology.
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Talk to me about the red scare. Um, talk to me about, about the red scare here. The,
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the, you know, it didn't catch any communists, you know, it was a horrible blemish. And in some ways
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it was a horrible, uh, blemish, but in other ways, uh, that story that it, that there weren't
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communist infiltration, uh, you know, that they didn't catch anybody. That's not true.
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No, it's, it's not true at all. So one of the things I do in this book is contrast
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kind of the, the first glance public perception that the average upper middle-class American or
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blue collar aristocrat, and certainly their kids have of historical incidents with reality.
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And very often the two don't even resemble, uh, one another. So the red scare, I mean,
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now Joe McCarthy had some problems personally, drank a little too much. He didn't mislabel some people.
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Right. But I mean, like who, for example, the house on American activities committee
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correctly identified a large number of people who were communist spies as communist spies.
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The idea that we were just pointing out random citizens who happened to be black or left leading
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and accusing them of communism is false. And we now know that. And by the way, uh, kind of getting
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to the point, we know that for a specific reason, like in the 1990s, we finished the declassification
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of what are known as the Venona cables, which are the V E N O N A for the listening audience.
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Yeah. And a lot of smart people on the right know that, but this isn't widely known in general.
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These are the decrypted exchanges between Russia and her agents over here.
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Putin in the late 1990s. So we have this, I mean, we know who they were and you can just
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go to Wikipedia or Britannica and look up Venona cables and see who the Russian agents in the USA
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were. And as a political scientist, I mean, you're often expected to work on these. I've looked at
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them. So long story short, many of the people that were accused of Russian espionage in the
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fifties and sixties, I mean, you're talking about the Rosenbergs, Alger Hiss, all these people who
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became cause celebs for the global left, Dalton Trumbo, all of the, all those three were in fact,
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Russian spies. And we we've known that for decades. It's just sort of been minimized as part of this
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narrative where McCarthyism has become a word for unprovokedly, baselessly accusing people of
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crimes. And I don't think that's valid. I go through this whole red chair, red scare chapter,
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where I named the spies and I point out, look, we can say that one or two of these congressmen
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overstepped, but there was another global empire at this time and they were communist and they did
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have the country full of spies. And here are the spies.
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But I feel a little, when it comes to the red scare, uh, I don't like, uh, I don't like the fact
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that, you know, we were reporting on each other and that we were, you know, forced to give lists.
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Um, you know, that that's, that's, that's really what wokeness is doing right now. Uh, you know,
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turn people in who have a different opinion. There were, there were people that were communist or had
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attended communist meetings that weren't necessarily spies going after spies. That's one thing,
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but having the entire country, uh, you know, turn around and, um, and just hunt for people, I don't
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think is a good thing. Do you? Well, no, I generally agree. But I mean, to put that in context,
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we did this under COVID. I mean, you know, there's, there's a hotline. Yeah, I know it's
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right. Yeah. No, I totally disapprove, but just there's a hotline in the airports right now. If
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you see something, say something, I mean, I don't think I've ever called it, but I mean,
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my fiance called it once to report suspected trafficking, you know? So we, we do this for a
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large number of things. And of course we can criticize. And I think guys would be more likely
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to criticize that prevalent kind of a long house snooping in society. But the reality is that we do
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essentially what happened during the Ritz scare for a lot of relatively inconsequential things.
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Communism was actually an existential threat to the USA at the time.
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Yeah, I wouldn't dispute you on that one. But the USA and the USSR almost fought a nuclear war.
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So, I mean, this idea of, well, if there's a one in 10 chance of nuclear war,
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you know, we're going to, we're going to put the boys out there. We're going to have agents
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following people around if we think there's a chance that you're a Russian asset. I do think
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there were some violations of liberties. I think some of those were just viable. But the main point
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is that the story that's being told is that almost all of this was sort of made up. And I open each
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chapter with quotes from the textbooks and from major journals. And those about Joe McCarthy are
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almost all along the lines of, he never found a single communist, he made up a list of communists,
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never identified a single person. I just don't think that's accurate. I think he was among the
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worst of the people doing this, but we found four or 500 communists, according to Venona.
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Yeah, I think that that is a lot of the, I think it's largely correct. That's actually
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Yeah, it is. It is really, when I read that the first time, I actually, I set the book down,
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because I thought, if I read this, I better find out if this author is, you know, a stable guy or a
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nut job, because I knew it would change my opinion of things that I had always thought were true.
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And it did change my opinion on the Red Scare and McCarthy. Like you said, he was, you know,
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he's the worst one out there. And he was not a good messenger. But he's not the guy that everybody
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tried to make him out to be. Or at least, you know, he wasn't the guy who was on a witch hunt
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without any evidence. No, I think that's correct. Yeah, I talk about this on page 29 of the book,
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or actually provide a link to the book. So yeah, the 2007 book, Blacklisted by History,
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The Untold Story of Senator Joe McCarthy and his fight against America's enemies,
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renault conservative historian M. Stanton Evans argues that much of the strong and immediate backlash
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to McCarthy's allegations occurred because the government wasn't about to admit how real
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McCarthy's worries were about infiltration. Last line, but U.S. officials from both parties,
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this is a quote, weren't eager to have the reality of communist penetration on their watch
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and their failure to do much about it broken down in front of the general public. So that was one of
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the reasons. And I think, again, we see this with a lot of stuff, including the recent backlash to
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COVID, including the debates about the border. Like you're in a dangerous position if you point out
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a systemic failure by the government, especially a bipartisan systemic failure. Like even in the USA,
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you might disappear. And then much of Europe, all the rest of the world, you would,
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because you're pointing out that the organs of state screwed up.
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Wilfred Riley is the name of the man I've been speaking to. He is the author of Lies My Liberal
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Teacher Told Me. It's available everywhere. Wilfred, as always, good to have you on. Thank you so much.
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Thank you, Glenn. Thanks for having me on. You bet.