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00:00:30.000 Making a grand reappearance on today's show is Stu.

00:00:34.360 He has started his own thing with, you know, the I like to call them betting markets.

00:00:39.840 He doesn't like to call them that.

00:00:41.980 He is looking at, you know, what people are laying their money down on when it comes to politics.

00:00:48.760 And he has seen a big change in politics.

00:00:51.760 And the numbers are showing that maybe the Republicans are going to be OK. 0.79

00:00:56.160 Also, Samuel Brownback is on with us talking about the evil of, that is, China.

00:01:01.680 And Winston Marshall is on. 0.63

00:01:03.420 I love this guy.

00:01:05.240 He is English.

00:01:06.900 He actually tries to defend the king.

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00:01:10.860 But talks about what we're facing, what all of the West is facing, and what they're facing here in London.

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00:03:06.900 you're listening to the best of the blendback program it's always good to see you glenn it's

00:03:21.640 great to see you yeah thanks for having me on your great show yeah thank you thank you so um

00:03:26.140 the king well i you know i have to warn you i am a monarchist yeah i know you are and i know you are

00:03:31.480 and i you know there's there's still hope for you there's still hope for you there's still but you

00:03:35.440 See, you Americans, I understand that sort of your sense of conservatism is actually built on rebellion and against the monarchy.

00:03:45.540 But you've got to understand for us, our liberties are protected by the monarchy.

00:03:50.800 Are they?

00:03:51.340 Yes.

00:03:51.560 Yeah, I saw what he was talking about.

00:03:53.700 Yeah, it's been about 300 years since the monarchy ever actually intervened to protect anyone.

00:03:58.080 But nevertheless, our tradition is that balance of king.

00:04:02.480 technically it's monarch aristocracy represented by the peers although that's changed under

00:04:08.280 starmer and then the commons represented by the people and we are governed by the people

00:04:11.780 so i've got news for you none of that's working for you right now none of that none of that's

00:04:16.160 working for you i mean well you look how the people are voting where starmer gonna leave

00:04:20.720 starmer it looks like i don't know how he's pulled this off because a day ago i thought that was it

00:04:26.220 he's finished i think he's going to last it and part of the reason is because there is no talent

00:04:32.460 in the labor party to replace him the best option is is west streeting frankly you know if he's

00:04:39.060 i listen to that guy i listened to the bbc yesterday and they were talking about him as if

00:04:44.880 as if there's nothing to see here this you know these elections they don't mean anything we've

00:04:49.900 seen this before and i'm like what are you people talking about the people are clear on this yeah

00:04:55.020 Well, the BBC are completely soaked up in the same ideology as the Uniparty, as the Labour Party,

00:05:01.460 and frankly, as the Conservative Party has been for the last 15 years.

00:05:06.240 Remember with Keir Starmer, although he won with something like 35% of the vote,

00:05:11.080 he actually only had 20% of the electorate.

00:05:13.880 So four out of five people in Britain who could vote two years ago, the 2024 election,

00:05:19.400 did not vote for Keir Starmer.

00:05:21.480 That's crazy.

00:05:21.940 Think about that.

00:05:22.480 even kamala harris had something like 48 right but we are living in what america would be if

00:05:28.700 kamala had won and we are and so is canada and so is much of europe i mean i think and you know i

00:05:36.100 think we change everything once all of us who are fighting for personal liberties and and common

00:05:43.060 sense i think once we all understand wait a minute this isn't about keir summer this is not about

00:05:48.360 donald trump this isn't about you know uh any of the politics that every country is making about

00:05:55.360 they're making it about local politics that the the elites are saying it's these people that are

00:06:00.820 the problem no no this is the people against an elitist government all over the western world

00:06:07.640 that has decided exactly how we're all going to live and when the people in germany understand

00:06:13.740 And the people in England understand the Germans are getting the same thing.

00:06:17.760 We're getting the same thing.

00:06:18.940 Then all of a sudden we start to have real allies.

00:06:21.580 Because then you have the population of every country going, wait a minute, we're in this together.

00:06:26.920 Yes, you're absolutely right.

00:06:28.020 We're seeing the revolt of the people against the post-war elite.

00:06:31.900 You spelled it out beautifully in your book, actually, about the WEF.

00:06:35.480 And it's precisely that ideology that has been the big fight.

00:06:39.700 Now in America, of course with Trump many of those battles are being won, but in Europe here

00:06:45.140 it's still it's not all to play for because I think the people are

00:06:50.460 Going to win eventually, but it's the last gasps of that elite which is why

00:06:57.100 actually Starmer has his

00:06:59.420 Trying to pivot and create new enemies. So your colleagues have been banned from coming to Britain

00:07:04.180 I don't know how I slip through. 0.67

00:07:06.820 Yeah, it's kind of remarkable.

00:07:08.200 It's probably because you're a much bigger threat.

00:07:10.300 Because if they went for you, that would actually have political ramifications in the U.S.

00:07:14.460 I suspect that's right.

00:07:17.060 But there's two other Americans who have been banned.

00:07:18.760 A Belgian has been a politician, a Polish politician, member of the European Parliament.

00:07:27.140 What Starmer's tried to do, and this is how he's saving himself here, is he's trying to create bogeymen.

00:07:33.520 He's saying okay, Tommy Robinson and this march that's happening the far right there. I'm not the enemy

00:07:39.720 They are they're the enemy

00:07:41.560 And if we can say we can focus the attention on here

00:07:44.080 It's the same reason why he banned Kanye West from coming over for anti-semitism whilst 0.94

00:07:48.500 Not actually do anything about anti-semitism not actually calling out the problem, which is Islam 1.00

00:07:53.900 That's where it's coming from 1.00

00:07:55.360 And by the way under Starmer, it's now the worst anti-semitism we've had in since Jews were allowed back into the country

00:08:03.000 by oliver cromwell in the 1650s we're talking 370 years only once in that period has a jew

00:08:10.240 been killed for being a jew that was in the 1960s by some of the far right we've had two jews killed

00:08:15.780 at the end of last year by a man whose first name was jihad and in the last month we've had various

00:08:22.360 synagogues fire bombed we had two jews stabbed in the neck in london this is happening and it's

00:08:28.980 It's coming from very specific place. What's Starmer cat, but he can't possibly say that because it he needs that Muslim voter 1.00

00:08:36.120 But the base so he's pivoting away. He's he's saying people like Tommy Robertson. They're the real I mean people like these the

00:08:42.660 The trying to come into Europe. They're the real villains here

00:08:45.900 And that's how we need to so are they that stupid though? I mean because you saw you know how the left and the Islamist 1.00

00:08:54.620 uh were the ones behind the revolution in iran and you know what happened to anybody who wasn't 0.92

00:09:01.820 an islamist all of the marxists they were all killed or tortured or you know disappeared 0.90

00:09:07.360 it's not going to work out well the king keeps playing footsie with these people and i'm like 0.99

00:09:12.560 they're not gonna they're not going to embrace you look do you think the king's playing footsie

00:09:17.500 with them king chuck yeah okay i've got to address this actually right because there's a popular

00:09:23.540 rumor online that the king is a muslim actually and no i don't believe that you don't believe that

00:09:30.360 no uh but people think he's he's kowtowing to them now one thing to remember about the king

00:09:36.600 is firstly he is a christian but secondly is he not a christian oh i mean i'm sure he is okay

00:09:43.660 well he's practicing i don't know he's he's the head the sovereign the head of state of several

00:09:48.840 countries around the world right and some of those countries are muslim majority countries so

00:09:54.140 he is the sovereign of large populations of muslims around the world so he's in this very

00:09:58.460 difficult position where he's head of the english christian church i've never had a guest defend the

00:10:02.600 king you're first it's great to hear it it's great to hear it it's it's refreshing kind of

00:10:07.820 well who says i'm not open to hear other opinions well there you go oh dear i hate it when i come

00:10:13.820 off woke on all these shows because i'm not woke this always happens when i speak to americans

00:10:18.160 conservative um no uh now i really do not like what starmer sorry what the his majesty has said

00:10:25.620 about some of this environment green ideology stuff and i i don't like the direction he's going

00:10:30.380 there i don't like it when these guys get in this domain of people get involved in politics i think

00:10:37.160 that is for the people and for the commons um but nevertheless he's in a difficult position where

00:10:42.380 He's got to be the representative, not just of England and of Great Britain, but also the Commonwealth and other realms around the world. 0.99

00:10:51.480 And they're not Christians. 1.00

00:10:52.680 So he's got to get that right. 0.97

00:10:54.800 And that's a tricky one.

00:10:55.660 He's the head of the Church of England, though.

00:10:57.160 That's correct, but it's a difficult balancing act.

00:10:58.880 I can see your point on that.

00:11:01.240 Let's talk about his digital ID.

00:11:04.200 Yeah, I'm very displeased about this.

00:11:05.920 yeah this is being now to be just to be clear so what what he's reading out is being given to him

00:11:12.960 by number 10 being given to him by the prime minister keir starmer so he doesn't really

00:11:17.000 have a say he could if he wanted to object to things that are going on the last time that

00:11:21.560 happened i think was literally over 300 years ago so they don't object the digital id aspect this

00:11:27.900 is something i've been covering a lot of my show it it is a system that tony blair tried to bring

00:11:34.100 in when he was prime minister um back in the late 90s and they've also incorporated into tax now so

00:11:41.640 they as a i've run several businesses i now have to have to sign up to this stuff it's very difficult

00:11:47.800 for me to resist and continue running my business right that's the way they like it exactly and the

00:11:53.580 the problem of course is that you can see this playing out in china is that you will end up with

00:12:00.220 social credit score system if you think that this government is stopping people coming in to the

00:12:05.800 country what could they possibly do next not only that they all think that nigel farage is a fascist

00:12:13.860 he's not a fascist by the way he's he's a pretty traditional conservative as far as i can tell

00:12:18.060 who's gone against the elites as as just this start of this conversation he's he has been the

00:12:24.440 person in british politics who has stood against the globalized liberal elite it's funny because

00:12:30.560 in america people look at nigel farage and say i think did he sell out he's starting to get a

00:12:35.840 little weak on yeah i i think that so this is a very online thing and it's it's quite curious

00:12:41.780 actually if you think about the council elections that we've just had around the country where

00:12:45.760 reform his party formerly called the brexit party uh just completely dominated even the green party

00:12:53.160 who didn't perform as well and the green party are far left leninist you know unapologetic

00:12:58.980 communist group with an islamo faction to them even they didn't do as well as projected but

00:13:04.060 nigel's reform party did much better and i think that possibly because this is online

00:13:10.680 people have forgotten how he's endeared himself to so much of the public and why he's so popular

00:13:17.760 here on the ground and partly that's because he's made tremendous self-sacrifice people say

00:13:22.960 Sold out. This is a guy in the early 90s who left the conservative party because they sold out and did and signed up for the EU

00:13:31.840 That was with the Maastricht treaty and that's where even the Tories became the establishment became the globalist

00:13:38.280 Elite in that's an egg signed up to that ideology rather would be a more accurate way of saying he said you know what no and

00:13:45.140 That's by the way at the detriment of his own career. So he spent his whole life

00:13:50.340 In his professional life outside of that bubble. He then has been calling out illegal immigration 0.72

00:13:56.440 At tremendous self cost and by that I mean he's been a bogeyman in the same way that I know the media

00:14:02.840 They will do pictures of Trump with like Hitler mustache and they say they've been doing that to Nigel for decades

00:14:08.740 Yeah, it's been a huge personal cost and social cost and yet he was right

00:14:13.800 he was right to say that we've been invaded and that 0.97

00:14:17.160 masses of people coming in at the detriment of the country and there are a few other characters who 0.85

00:14:23.180 have been who have been doing it seeing as you're speaking at tommy robertson's march it's worth

00:14:27.080 noting that he has been brilliant calling out the grooming games for decades before other people

00:14:31.680 now nigel is getting this flack and it's very strange for me to see this because he is someone 0.94

00:14:38.120 who actually has really got the credentials against the elite in a way that few people 0.64

00:14:43.260 uh do i have to tell you i like him and i like tommy but i'm not from england so i don't i don't

00:14:49.420 know you know i follow it you know passing and i know i trust my gut and i'm pretty you know

00:14:55.880 pretty good on my gut um but i i i don't know i i mean i like nigel i don't see anybody else i mean 0.61

00:15:02.560 you to be able to fight this you have to you're going to be called hitler yes always to fight 0.57

00:15:09.140 this you have to be outspoken you have to be tough and you have to be tough-skinned i mean

00:15:13.740 donald trump is the i think he's the only one that could have lasted in america he's the only one

00:15:19.100 that could have put up with all this and still fought back and won yeah i think america needed

00:15:23.740 a bull like him yeah someone that could actually would thrive off the attacks and and because no

00:15:30.980 other individual because if you think of every single attack from the beginning russia hoax

00:15:34.940 All this all the way through the when he was out they were trying to get him in the four-year period

00:15:40.180 They just been relentlessly. I just don't know another human being who could have to tell you

00:15:44.140 I've told excuse the audience. Excuse me for telling the story again

00:15:47.520 But a Brit needs to hear this. I talked to the president

00:15:50.020 Privately and I said what what was going through your mind when you were laying on the ground and Butler and secret service?

00:15:55.140 Were on top of you and you're bleeding three times. They've tried to kill him, right? Okay. He's on the ground

00:15:59.040 He's bleeding. He knows he's been shot. He can hear the other gunshots. He knows what it's chaos around him

00:16:03.920 they're going to try to kill him you know what he told me i said what is what are you what were

00:16:06.880 you thinking at the time get up get up you're not afraid of these people you want to be the 0.95

00:16:13.920 president of the united states represent the united states we're not afraid holy cow yeah

00:16:19.720 and you can't fake that at that moment you that's why he stood up and fight yes true leadership

00:16:24.580 representing the united states we are not going to bow down to this kind of yeah absolutely true

00:16:29.300 leadership and that that every nation i i needs that yeah kind of thing particularly the west

00:16:35.840 needs it and i'm very grateful the american has showed leadership where european leaders and

00:16:41.020 elites have have really failed and and they're actually pivoting away i know you've been talking

00:16:45.120 about china they're going the wrong direction i i um i think if if trump loses in 20 and 28 well

00:16:51.700 trump's not going to run but if we don't have somebody like trump and if we lose congress and

00:16:56.740 the senate and we lose this vision that he's working on i think we turn right back to where

00:17:02.340 you are today we turn on a dime there's going to be a struggle now this is not easy this is going

00:17:07.640 to be a fight really for the rest of our lives i don't think that the elites are going to go out

00:17:10.820 with a lot out last he said he told me at one point i need 12 years not not me he said but to

00:17:18.080 fix this he said i need my four years and we have to have two people or two terms following me that

00:17:23.880 are on the same path he said i think we can kill it in 12 years but we can't afford well rubio has

00:17:29.400 been extremely promising he's amazing i'm incredibly impressed by the guy you're streaming

00:17:35.040 the best of glenn beck to hear more of this interview and others download the full show

00:17:39.380 podcasts wherever you get podcasts stew how are you my man glenn good to see you my man how are

00:17:46.860 you uh very good very good i wanted to get you on today because uh i've been reading your articles

00:17:52.960 watching your stuff and you

00:17:54.940 are, you have some

00:17:57.000 good news. I wanted to bring

00:17:59.040 you on when you had good news because when it

00:18:00.940 comes to election time, a lot of times you're

00:18:02.840 really a drag. You're right.

00:18:04.800 You're right. You're always accurate, but you're a drag. 0.97

00:18:08.120 Today, it's 0.92

00:18:09.000 different. Yeah, you called me

00:18:10.860 the little black rain cloud

00:18:12.460 for almost 30 years and that was

00:18:14.640 a nice way to be known. I appreciated

00:18:16.780 it so much, but

00:18:18.100 yeah, no, there actually is some pretty good news today.

00:18:20.280 You're not today.

00:18:20.960 so tell me yeah yeah so basically you know it's funny because of these things are they originate

00:18:29.200 with the left being the left right like they they're constantly doing things to try to take

00:18:33.880 advantage of their situations and they did this a couple of different times one was uh when it came

00:18:40.360 to trying to expand the voter rights act to their maximum uh the maximum levels possible so they

00:18:46.920 kept harassing these states to change their districts over and over and over again so that

00:18:53.340 they could get more majority-minority districts, right? These are districts where the majority of

00:18:58.640 the voters are minorities, and they will, in theory, I guess, the assumption is minorities

00:19:04.060 just vote for their own skin colors so they will elect other minorities. That's basically the

00:19:09.300 very cynical way Democrats looked at it for years and years and years and years. And they got courts

00:19:13.360 to back them up for a long period of time.

00:19:15.820 Then, of course, this goes to eventually,

00:19:18.720 you know, this happens in Louisiana

00:19:20.700 and Louisiana, they wind up challenging this.

00:19:22.880 It goes all the way to the Supreme Court

00:19:24.280 and the Supreme Court says,

00:19:25.840 what I think is pretty obvious here,

00:19:27.340 which is it's not supposed to be done by skin color.

00:19:30.540 It's supposed to be the exact opposite of that.

00:19:32.600 We're supposed to do really almost any other thing, Glenn.

00:19:35.920 You can redistrict, you can draw a line

00:19:38.880 based on almost anything else, except race,

00:19:42.120 which is hilarious because it's the one thing they kept trying to put in um so they tried this

00:19:47.340 and they they the supreme court wound up saying i know you covered this but it's like they wound

00:19:52.000 up saying look you can't just draw these lines based on race you can use it as kind of one thing

00:19:57.500 in a recipe if you really want to but you can't just draw these racial lines they're not going

00:20:02.640 to hold so they didn't hold and this wound up burning uh the democrats in in a big way that

00:20:09.060 it could wind up getting a bunch of seats to go from Republicans to Democrats, because now

00:20:14.240 these states in the South, who have been doing this for years, have to redraw these districts

00:20:19.300 to align with what the Supreme Court said, which is we shouldn't draw voting lines based on skin

00:20:25.380 color. So that's part number one. Part number two is the Virginia situation. Virginia, they wind up

00:20:32.960 trying to do the same type of thing. The left went in and they said, well, we're going to keep pushing

00:20:36.800 and pushing and pushing and pushing and pushing and they decided to try to make it basically so

00:20:41.440 in this purplish state there were no republicans to be seen anywhere um they they pushed this as

00:20:47.920 far as they could go but and this is something that we caught you know pretty early on when

00:20:52.700 looking at this race you know the way that they had designed this glenn there are rules in virginia

00:20:58.640 and they have these rules basically if you're going to screw with the constitution you know 0.72

00:21:03.720 and you're going to screw with the way that these lines are drawn in their system.

00:21:07.200 You have the original legislative vote, and then you have to have a, you know, 0.98

00:21:12.000 basically another vote by the people to say, hey, we want to throw these bums out. 1.00

00:21:17.560 If they change the rules, we don't like that. 1.00

00:21:19.680 We should have the opportunity to throw these bums out. 1.00

00:21:22.400 So they did do that sort of. 1.00

00:21:26.200 They got the vote done immediately before the election and then forced everything through

00:21:32.660 and said, look at us. We're great. We're going to push back against all these evil Republicans

00:21:36.480 and get all these seats back for the Democrats. The problem is, once again, because the left has

00:21:41.740 been the left for so long, they had opened up early voting for such a long period of time

00:21:48.420 that even though they got this vote done right before the election, the Republicans pointed out,

00:21:56.540 hey, wait a minute, 40 percent of our population has already voted before you tried to do this.

00:22:01.480 So this one doesn't count. You didn't check off what you needed to do in the state.

00:22:05.320 So the Virginia Supreme Court came in and said, yeah, you know, again, you guys pushed it too far.

00:22:10.700 You bent the rules that didn't work out. And so Republicans are able to gain even more seats because of that situation, which is really changing the whole tenor of the race.

00:22:19.700 good so do you do you think this is all just happening um because of the redistricting or

00:22:27.180 do are you also seeing any indication that people are kind of like i'm tired of all of this they're

00:22:32.500 pushing it too far what happened in virginia you know even spandberg are coming in and saying well

00:22:37.620 we're not going to redistrict and then immediately pushing for redistricting that you're seeing any

00:22:43.060 indication that democrats are pushing things and pushing the american people too far to the left

00:22:49.380 or is that just wishful thinking uh you know i i don't want to be the little black rain cloud here

00:22:55.420 i i think that i don't think i've seen signs of any level yet of a left-leaning voter saying you

00:23:02.360 know what maybe our party is going a little too far where we did see signs of that i think back

00:23:07.260 in like 2021 uh 2022 where you saw the whole uh the george floyd era i think was filled with

00:23:13.560 moments where where democrats said about even their own party hey i don't know maybe having

00:23:18.080 some police on the streets is a good idea you know there are things like that that did happen

00:23:22.060 i haven't seen that yet with redistricting the way this is being framed i think in the left-wing

00:23:26.200 media and and honestly the mainstream media is this is just the democrats trying to protect

00:23:31.760 themselves they're doing the best that they can against these evil republicans donald trump is

00:23:35.940 very mean and they have to do this this one time that was the pitch from gavin newsom in california

00:23:41.500 right uh these places had set up systems that were supposed to eliminate the exact type of

00:23:47.580 activity that Democrats are currently engaging in. And they went to their own voters and said,

00:23:52.020 hey, you know, sure, we have all these rules set up, but aren't the Republicans mean?

00:23:58.140 That kind of has been enough for a lot of them. I do think that there is a, you know,

00:24:03.220 a situation where they do push this too far. They're going to try to challenge all this stuff.

00:24:07.400 They're going to try to go down this road a little bit farther. But they have a tough

00:24:10.920 argument to make to the American people, who I still think, despite everything we see in the

00:24:15.300 believe in things like skin color shouldn't matter, believe in things like merit should matter.

00:24:21.340 And, you know, the farther they go down to push against that, I think the worst it gets for them.

00:24:26.420 So tell me what you're seeing in Los Angeles and in the California vote.

00:24:30.100 I mean, you seem to, at least in the primaries for the very first time, you have Republicans doing really quite well in the polls.

00:24:41.540 yeah uh actually it's it's true there's a couple of really interesting things going on there one

00:24:47.300 is the los angeles mayoral election i know you've been watching that with spencer pratt he's been

00:24:51.400 running a really interesting uh race with like really great ads and and he's great ads you watch

00:24:57.960 the debate and you're just like how could any human being think that this guy isn't the best

00:25:03.680 of these three i just thought you know you understand you know who he reminds me of stew is

00:25:08.640 um oh what's the politician up in canada remember the apple eating guy where he's just yes i love

00:25:16.420 him i love him he reminds me a little of him where it's like it's no sweat i don't really 1.00

00:25:21.600 whatever just answering to these people well you're a moron and eating a bite of an apple 0.99

00:25:26.620 i mean it just it seems too easy almost for him yeah and obviously he knows the media really well 1.00

00:25:33.500 uh you look at you know the ad that he ran where you know he's showing off the houses of his

00:25:38.860 opponents and then zooms out of his house which is now a trailer because his house burned to the

00:25:43.640 ground uh he has real credibility there and honestly it's funny because sometimes a really

00:25:50.220 positive thing can potentially wind up being a negative for you in your campaign it's obviously

00:25:55.560 really difficult to win as a republican in los angeles we you know this is i'm not breaking news

00:25:59.940 here donald trump lost to kamala harris 70 to 26 in 2024 in los angeles uh in a race that obviously

00:26:09.060 trump won overall so this is a very there's a big uphill battle the best path for spencer pratt to

00:26:14.640 win is for him to win a race that looks something like you know pratt 37 uh and then the other two

00:26:22.100 at 30 and 28 or something like that or you know 35 32 30 right where he just squeaks out and is

00:26:29.440 able to kind of go forward the problem with this right now is the last the last debate he did so

00:26:35.840 well uh that it wound up just destroying one of the two opponents and you wonder if the left is

00:26:42.620 going to now unite around karen bass who is a catastrophe as a mayor but it does seem like the

00:26:48.520 the current path but he's got a shot he's got a shot how about steve hilton hilton i saw you had

00:26:55.180 him on. Yeah, he's, again, you watched his debate, and we paid close attention to that one on our

00:27:01.040 show, Predictable with Stu, but we did, he was really good in that debate. And, you know, he has

00:27:05.820 a lot of credibility. He has a way of being able to bridge a gap, I think, to a California voter

00:27:12.220 who is at least sensible. And there are some there. You know, Glenn, we've been on in California

00:27:17.000 for, I don't know, forever, since the beginning of the show. And every time we talk about

00:27:21.220 California, we sometimes would generalize and say that they're all insane. And then there'd be 0.97

00:27:25.540 people that would call up and say, wait a minute, no. I mean, I have lots of friends. I swear we're

00:27:30.240 not completely all like this. But, you know, Steve Hilton, I think, really appeals to not

00:27:35.120 only those people on the conservative side, but also people who I think can just step back and

00:27:42.080 say, OK, look, I might even be a little bit on the left. But, you know, I might not appreciate

00:27:47.660 everything that Steve Hilton might stand for when it comes to certain policies, but at least the

00:27:53.280 guy's speaking common sense. You know, he said on the stage, he's like, you know, you guys keep

00:27:56.660 attacking us on immigration. He's like, I'm the only one up here who is an immigrant. That's who

00:28:02.080 I am. That's actually, I'm the only one who has any credibility on this particular issue.

00:28:07.060 He talked about that and I thought he was solid. You're listening to the best of the Glenn Beck

00:28:12.400 podcast hear more of this interview and others with the full show podcast available wherever

00:28:17.560 you get podcasts welcome to the glenbeck program uh we're talking about china this hour i'm going

00:28:22.900 to get to um some of the other things that are going on the king just spoke here in parliament

00:28:27.440 i'm in london this week he just spoke in parliament he said some really i think very

00:28:31.320 disturbing things about global warming and also digital id it is coming strong here um in uh

00:28:40.520 england we'll get into that here in a minute i'm reading a couple books um on china right now and

00:28:45.620 and one of them uh kind of goes into how we just don't understand china at all um because they've

00:28:54.000 never had um they've never had any religion they've never had any emperor at any time that

00:29:01.860 has been about human individual rights never so it's not even part of their as melissa just said

00:29:08.020 not even part of their vocabulary, um, to have these rights. And there is presidency is not a

00:29:15.500 good guy, not a good guy. Um, and there is real persecution going on. And I have to tell you, I

00:29:21.460 was in, I lived in New York for a while and I would pass these people who are on the streets,

00:29:27.420 the full on gong people, and I'd pass them and I'd see these horrible things that they were saying.

00:29:32.600 And I never stopped to really listen. 0.97

00:29:37.840 And I feel horrible now because now I'm beginning to understand what the hell is going on in China. 0.92

00:29:45.880 And it's Christians, it's Buddhists, it's Muslims, Fulon Gong, and anybody, anybody who wants to be religious. 0.94

00:29:56.980 And they are now passing out Bibles that change everything. 0.74

00:30:00.940 They were replacing, just as they did in fascist Germany under Nazis,

00:30:06.300 replace the pictures of Christ on any altars with the picture of their dear leader.

00:30:11.540 And one of the guys who really knows this is a former international religious freedom ambassador

00:30:17.980 and former governor of Kansas, Samuel Brownback.

00:30:22.580 Sam just put out a new book called China's War on Faith

00:30:25.960 because they are waging a war on faith, and every American needs to understand that. 0.69

00:30:31.120 China is not our friend in any way. 0.84

00:30:34.900 Sam, welcome to the program. How are you, sir?

00:30:37.180 I'm good, Glenn, and thank you for taking this topic on and being willing to talk about it.

00:30:42.300 I think it's just so critical, and I think we have just a real lack of understanding of what this is

00:30:48.400 and how significant it is that's going on.

00:30:51.040 sam i have to tell you i think that we are um we're in a spiritual battle we are not

00:30:58.340 battling i mean ephesians we're not battling uh flash and bone we we are not even battling

00:31:04.800 you know republican democrat we there is a spiritual darkness this is a spiritual battle 0.68

00:31:11.220 on so many fronts so tell me about how china is waging this war on faith 0.88

00:31:17.380 well really that's the cover of the book it's a big dragon uh with strings controlling people 0.93

00:31:25.360 underneath it is on the cover of the book showcasing this war uh that china has with faith

00:31:31.720 you know one of the guys that's uh that we feature in the book is peter shu he was considered at the

00:31:36.900 time and one of the original house church leaders the billy graham of china he's here with us in

00:31:44.900 washington with the book rollout and he said yesterday that china has been biding their time 0.92

00:31:51.620 until they got strong but now they are revealing their inner darkness and we must restrain this

00:31:59.320 power of darkness it's what that's peter shu saying that and i i think that's what you're

00:32:05.280 starting to see they are strong uh now but this is all it's they're at war with god uh they are

00:32:13.400 at war with all faiths. They can't tolerate any power that's higher than the governments.

00:32:19.100 They will not tolerate it. They will suppress it. They will kill you. They will put you in prison.

00:32:24.740 The rest of Christian pastors now is the highest, I would argue, since Mao. And that's what Xi Jinping 0.99

00:32:32.340 is doing now. And a lot of it's out of control. They want to control the place. They want to

00:32:38.280 control other authoritarian regimes. And so they share their technology and ability to do it. It

00:32:43.160 is a direct confrontation to the western civilization system that's built on the judeo-christian

00:32:49.300 ethic of human dignity based on the individual created in the image of god so tell me tell me 0.92

00:32:56.100 give me examples of what they're doing that people don't know in china start there well most people 1.00

00:33:04.120 don't know about the forced organ harvesting that you witnessed that the falun gong members would 0.96

00:33:09.380 talk about, but they will, if you're an opponent of the regime, uh, they take your blood type. 0.97

00:33:16.880 Uh, they want to know who, what, what type of blood, what type of body you have. Uh, and then

00:33:24.120 at their desired time, they will kill you, uh, and harvest the organs, kidneys, livers, eyes.

00:33:32.720 I did the forward for a book just recently out on Killed to Order, where these would be situated on a timing basis. 0.85

00:33:45.680 And, you know, this is so, Glenn, this is so diabolical and evil.

00:33:49.260 It's hard for you or me to imagine a government even thinking of something like this.

00:33:54.280 And yet they do it.

00:33:56.020 And China, and they deny it, of course, and everything. 0.92

00:33:59.500 Actually, for a while they didn't.

00:34:00.700 They said, well, yeah, we did for those that were having capital punishment.

00:34:04.220 We thought this would be a good utilitarian thing to do to go ahead and harvest the organs.

00:34:07.720 But we don't do it anymore.

00:34:09.300 Well, they do still do it. 0.99

00:34:11.020 And they do it to Falun Gong members. 1.00

00:34:13.440 They do it to Muslim Uyghurs. 1.00

00:34:15.860 Who all knows who else that they do it to. 0.84

00:34:18.580 And that's something I don't think people can fathom the evil of this regime.

00:34:24.720 This is an evil regime.

00:34:26.500 And they have killed more people. 0.97

00:34:28.560 The Chinese Communist Party has killed more of their own people than any other regime in the history of mankind. 0.60

00:34:36.320 Let that one sink in.

00:34:37.960 If you count the forced abortions, the number is as many as 500 million.

00:34:48.040 Yes, and I'm not even counting the forced abortions in the statement I made.

00:34:54.720 And then at the current time, they've got three genocides going on now as we speak. 0.98

00:35:02.060 The Muslim Uyghurs that we had declared as a government at the end of the first Trump administration. 0.59

00:35:07.100 The Tibetan Buddhists that they've gone at hammer and tong for decades now and doing a cultural genocide. 0.99

00:35:13.980 But they've wiped out many people. 0.99

00:35:16.100 And, of course, the Dalai Lama cannot return to his own home area.

00:35:19.460 And the Chinese government wants to appoint his successor.

00:35:22.280 and then Falun Gong who they literally have decimated and I think they fear the Falun Gong

00:35:28.700 more than any religion because it's an indigenous eastern religion it's what grandma used to

00:35:36.160 practice uh and when they let it loose for seven years in China where they said okay we'll let you

00:35:42.340 guys practice this it went from zero to 90 million adherents in seven years oh my gosh and it freaked

00:35:48.480 the chinese government out and they said these guys are dangerous and they went after him to

00:35:53.740 eliminate annihilate him which is the definition of genocide where you're trying to eliminate a

00:35:59.260 whole group of people so sam you've talked to the president about all of this stuff he knows what

00:36:05.400 are you hoping when he sits down with seizing ping um this week what are you hoping we can

00:36:12.580 get out of this? Glenn, I think really both sides right now just want to calm the waters for a

00:36:21.220 little bit and get the temperature down. I am not expecting much. I really hope he does get,

00:36:26.940 like Pastor Ezra Jen, out of jail, Jimmy Lai. There's nine Catholic bishops that are detained,

00:36:34.060 arrested. I would hope they would release them. I'm not expecting that, honestly. I just think,

00:36:41.660 really this meeting right now is just trying to about cool the waters down but i think when they 0.99

00:36:47.320 raise taiwan which is a no-go for us we should raise religious freedom with them which is a no-go

00:36:54.540 for them and just say okay you're gonna you're gonna throw one out there that we don't like fine 0.99

00:36:59.180 we're gonna throw one out there you don't like because they fear religious freedom more than

00:37:04.800 they fear our aircraft carriers or our nuclear weapons that's this is their achilles heel and 0.79

00:37:11.240 And we should go right at it, same way Ronald Reagan did at the Soviet Union. 0.98

00:37:15.660 He traveled America talking about the godless commies before he was president 0.90

00:37:20.220 and citing the Jewish refuseniks. 0.83

00:37:22.900 And it undermined the regime, its authority, and its legitimacy. 0.86

00:37:29.040 And that's what we need to do with the CCP.

00:37:33.580 How are the underground churches in China?

00:37:36.040 Are they still growing?

00:37:37.060 They were growing, but then they cracked down on them hard.

00:37:41.240 are they still growing? Nobody really knows. But over the last few years, most people have been

00:37:50.200 citing the fastest growing Christian churches in the world have been the last couple years,

00:37:57.400 last five years in, get this, China and Iran, where the persecution is the greatest. But then

00:38:04.220 that's where the faith grows the most is when it's under pressure and duress. I used to say,

00:38:09.680 If people actually understood Christianity, they wouldn't oppress it and suppress it.

00:38:15.380 They would subsidize it. 0.96

00:38:17.320 If you want to really kill Christianity, subsidize it. 0.98

00:38:21.700 It really grows best under pressure. 0.96

00:38:26.120 I will tell you, I've talked to people who have escaped China, who were in prison in China for their faith.

00:38:34.920 And their faith is enormous.

00:38:37.640 but one of them has told me you know we're all praying for in China all the Christians are

00:38:42.140 praying what they're praying that the United States is going to fall into really hard times

00:38:47.040 and I was like why why wait why would you pray for that and they're like because you you might

00:38:51.140 remember who you are and you'll stand up wow and you'll start serving God because we need your help

00:38:56.020 I mean that's that's pretty amazing pretty amazing yeah it really does I the ones I've met

00:39:04.140 and many of them have been in jail multiple times

00:39:07.600 and they call it Chinese seminary.

00:39:12.480 It's just, their faith is so beautiful

00:39:15.140 and it's purified and there's a joy

00:39:18.020 and a peace about them that you look at

00:39:19.820 and you go, okay, that's the real deal.

00:39:21.280 I've seen it.

00:39:22.820 You've been with Jesus.

00:39:24.500 I can see it.

00:39:27.500 Sam, I'm in London this week.

00:39:30.460 Last question for the last couple of minutes,

00:39:32.600 but i'm in london and um there is a real problem with freedom of speech here

00:39:38.200 uh and you know the the keeper of the flame the keeper of the protector of the faith

00:39:44.940 uh you know doesn't seem to be the strongest you know uh keeper of the faith here um how

00:39:52.860 concerned are you on freedom of speech and and where this is going with christians in the uk

00:39:59.640 i'm i'm really concerned uh so much so i and where i was headed in the u.s really before

00:40:07.380 president trump came in i got debanked the group i helped form national committee for religious

00:40:12.740 freedom i mean how more american can you be than that and we got debanked but there was this effort

00:40:17.880 in the west to suffocate faith and the principles the natural law principles that faith generally is

00:40:25.460 around and from coming into society because they weren't seen as the current cultural norms they

00:40:31.540 were against what people wanted to do and look faith has always stood against um things that

00:40:40.780 are trending the wrong way or or evil in nature and and it's always been this voice against that

00:40:48.900 and people want to silence that silence that voice by debanking deplatforming and you see it

00:40:55.120 more aggressively in europe than we had we had seen it in the united states but i i've been

00:41:00.560 deeply concerned about that that suffocation move is what i call it it's not they're not going to

00:41:06.400 really throw you in jail though they are in some places but most of it's just about uh taking the

00:41:12.580 insurance away from crisis pregnancy centers so that they their board of directors don't have

00:41:17.360 um any coverage and so people go well i don't know that i want to go on there for that i'll

00:41:22.560 i'll be out there with you i'll contribute but i'm not going to lead if we if i'm putting

00:41:27.640 everything else on the line so that's really the effort in the west and we've got to push back

00:41:32.860 against and stand up against sam thank you so much thanks for all your work over the years and

00:41:39.200 thank you for this new book china's war on faith by sam brownback it is out now wherever you get

00:41:44.360 your books in it he talks about uh the high tech the digital authoritarianism that china is now

00:41:50.560 pushing out over in 80 countries he calls them sinister new technologies also the campaigns on

00:41:56.900 physical torture uh and imprisonment of people on faith these are all things that you need to know

00:42:02.760 if you're if you want to prepare for the world that we are entering in and you want to be well 0.72

00:42:07.780 informed so nothing slipping by you you see the enemy in front of us it's not just china this is

00:42:13.480 all over the world start here china's war on faith by sam brownback thanks sam appreciate it

00:42:18.980 back in just a minute. Thank you, Glenn. You bet.

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