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00:00:06.000 Hey, welcome to the podcast. It's Thursday, which on Friday's podcast, we have something very, very exciting that we're going to share with you.

00:00:15.440 Also, don't forget, we're coming to town. Yeah, right.

00:00:19.500 Remember, if you were my age, you were in the circus, came to town, you would go out and you'd watch the parade with all the animals.

00:00:26.240 Well, this is like the elephant coming to town without the parade. Yeah, it's going to be great.

00:00:30.640 You're going to be able to throw peanuts at Glenn. It's going to be a lot of really good, fun things.

00:00:35.240 It's going to be a lot of laughs. And we are going to help the the radical left, otherwise known as the Democratic Party, with their 2020 campaigns.

00:00:45.120 So you don't want to miss that. Grab your tickets. You can find out all about it at Glenn Beck dot com slash tour.

00:00:49.720 Get your tickets. Yep. Today on the podcast, we had a lot of really interesting stuff.

00:00:54.460 I thought, you know, we talked to Stephen Moore about the stock market.

00:00:58.160 What's going on with that? You know, this is a guy who talks to the Trump administration all the time.

00:01:02.480 He helped write the tax plan. He's he understands, I think, the behind the scenes stuff going on here.

00:01:08.360 He had a lot of interesting things to say about what happened in the stock market.

00:01:11.400 What is going on? What they don't know is happening.

00:01:15.020 And to continue, we go to continue the trend of Stevens.

00:01:18.320 We went from Stephen Moore also to Stephen Kent, who has an amazing piece of information for you about how the Russians are not. 0.96

00:01:28.500 They don't care about Donald Trump. They didn't care about Hillary Clinton.

00:01:32.540 They care about chaos. And he he's bringing a story about how they even were involved in debasing our conversations and getting us at each other's throats with the latest Star Wars movie.

00:01:47.880 Yeah, bizarre.

00:01:49.020 Helen Pluckrose also joined us to continue our trend of Stevens and people named Helen. 0.60

00:01:55.600 Yeah, we have a big trend going on. Right.

00:01:57.140 Helen. I'm a big fan of Helen. She is she is a a an academic in hiding.

00:02:05.940 I think is what she called. She has been part of the group of academics that went and tried to get things published, you know, in peer reviewed publications.

00:02:18.800 They didn't think that they could get they'd be thrilled if they could get one into, you know, into a peer reviewed publication.

00:02:27.600 These were crazy, crazy ideas about how, you know, dog parks lead to the rape culture, you know, because dogs are humping each other in dog parks.

00:02:38.600 It's crazy.

00:02:39.580 And we have our first of the election season here full, like deep dive into the Senate and the polls and what they're showing.

00:02:45.840 Get into that as well. All on today's podcast.

00:02:48.800 You're listening to the best of the Glenn Beck program.

00:03:00.560 It's Thursday, October 11th. Glenn Beck.

00:03:05.200 Well, you can take this to the bank.

00:03:09.060 Obamacare will eventually get repealed, but it will not be the GOP leading the charge.

00:03:15.500 It is going to be the Democrats at this point.

00:03:18.740 I don't think the left ever really intended for the Affordable Care Act to actually live up to his name.

00:03:25.760 That's what we said at the beginning.

00:03:28.260 This is destined to fail in catastrophic, uh, in catastrophic form.

00:03:36.060 Ten years ago, Americans with employer provided health care had an average deductible of about $300.

00:03:45.000 Oh, how far we have fallen because of Obamacare.

00:03:49.420 The average deductible now is four times what they were before Obama.

00:03:58.180 A decade ago to today.

00:04:02.380 It's now $1,400 in deductibles.

00:04:08.880 $300 to $1,400.

00:04:12.140 That's a 212% increase.

00:04:16.440 Deductibles are growing at a rate eight times faster than wage growth.

00:04:21.440 12 times faster than inflation.

00:04:24.700 And these are not my numbers.

00:04:26.920 They didn't come from the Heritage Foundation or the Cato Institute.

00:04:30.380 This is from the annual report from the Kaiser Family Foundation.

00:04:36.100 And by the way, did I mention they're based, you know, behind the progressive iron curtain of California?

00:04:42.120 Did I also mention that Kaiser helped spin the left's talking points when the Democrats were trying to pass the Affordable Care Act and tell us that, oh, no, this is going to be fantastic for everybody?

00:04:56.520 Yesterday, President Trump wrote an op-ed in USA Today titled, Democrats' Medicare for All Plan Will Demolish Promises to Seniors.

00:05:06.460 He goes on to explain how the plan would cost an insane $32.6 trillion during the first 10 years.

00:05:16.560 The president continued by slamming the left's open border policies and calling out their socialist policies.

00:05:23.660 USA Today's tweet pointing out the Trump op-ed read, quote,

00:05:28.060 Democrats want to outlaw private health care plans,

00:05:31.800 taking away freedom to choose plans while letting anyone cross the border. 0.99

00:05:37.400 We must win this, end quote.

00:05:40.720 Well, apparently, shockingly, Jim Acosta from CNN took major beef with this.

00:05:47.220 He fired back both at the president and USA Today with a little tweet of his own, quote,

00:05:53.400 This column may break the record for the number of falsehoods from a president ever published in a newspaper op-ed.

00:06:00.880 Just this tweet alone is false.

00:06:04.920 Outlaw private health care plans?

00:06:07.180 Letting anyone cross our border? 1.00

00:06:09.640 Huh?

00:06:10.640 Fact check.

00:06:12.100 False and false.

00:06:13.860 Come on, USA Today.

00:06:16.100 Now, I know I shouldn't expect journalists these days to do any kind of actual journalism.

00:06:25.140 I mean, that's so old-timey.

00:06:27.320 Remember when they actually didn't lie to us?

00:06:31.420 It's kind of funny.

00:06:33.700 Actually, it's really sad.

00:06:35.800 That it's painfully obvious that journalists like Acosta haven't even read the left's proposal on Medicare for All.

00:06:44.140 It's H.R. 676.

00:06:46.860 It has 123 Democratic co-sponsors.

00:06:51.420 That's more than half of the House Democrats.

00:06:54.360 And it reads, and I quote,

00:06:58.180 It shall be unlawful for a private health insurer to sell health insurance coverage that duplicates the benefits provided under this act.

00:07:09.740 End quote.

00:07:10.920 You see, you didn't point out that the president was lying.

00:07:20.160 When the president said, you're going to be able to keep your doctor, you're going to be able to get a refund.

00:07:27.780 In fact, you're going to save all kinds of money.

00:07:31.220 You wouldn't do the math on that.

00:07:33.980 It was simple math.

00:07:35.600 But it required you to tell the truth about the bill.

00:07:39.780 Now, now, you are denying that the Democrats want to stop all private health care.

00:07:48.480 The replacement for Obamacare is coming.

00:08:11.860 And it is so radical that the left-leaning media can't even see it anymore.

00:08:19.400 The Affordable Care Act was a setup.

00:08:22.080 We told you it was.

00:08:24.500 If the left takes full control in 2020, you will finally see America.

00:08:31.360 The new America that we have been progressing toward the entire time.

00:08:37.500 Let me give you some good news.

00:08:40.300 May I give you some good news?

00:08:42.040 You sure can.

00:08:43.480 There is a new study out.

00:08:45.100 They spoke to 8,000 people.

00:08:48.480 They also did 31-hour interviews, six focus groups.

00:08:52.460 And it was conducted between December 2017 and September 2018.

00:08:58.460 And here's what they were looking for.

00:09:03.500 Want to find out about how Americans feel about white privilege, sexual harassment, you know, all of the PC stuff.

00:09:14.240 The Me Too witch hunt.

00:09:16.660 They said there are seven distinct clusters now in America.

00:09:22.520 Progressive activists, traditional liberals, passive liberals, politically disengaged, moderates, traditional conservatives, and devoted conservatives.

00:09:32.180 Now, according to the report, 25% of Americans are traditional or devoted conservatives.

00:09:39.540 25%.

00:09:41.300 Whoa, wow.

00:09:44.100 That's really low.

00:09:45.200 Well, only 8% of Americans are progressive activists.

00:09:55.180 Excuse me?

00:09:57.460 Their views are even more out of the mainstream and are less typical.

00:10:04.180 Two-thirds of Americans do not belong in either extreme progressivism, as progressive activists, or as traditional devoted conservatives.

00:10:19.520 The vast majority is now considered something called the exhausted majority.

00:10:28.080 The members of this two-thirds of our society share a sense of fatigue with our polarized national conversation, a willingness to be flexible in their political viewpoints, and have a lack of voice in the national conversation.

00:10:48.220 Most members of the exhausted majority dislike political correctness.

00:10:54.820 Among the general population, 80% believe that political correctness is a problem in our country.

00:11:05.460 Even young people are uncomfortable with it.

00:11:09.180 74% ages 24 to 29, and 79% under the age of 24 think this is a problem.

00:11:20.660 The woke are in the extreme minority in this country.

00:11:32.180 Youth not supporting political correctness.

00:11:38.760 And they're not supporting the race thing either.

00:11:42.860 Whites are ever so slightly less than average to believe political correctness is a problem in the country. 0.90

00:11:51.500 Whites.

00:11:53.260 79% share this sentiment.

00:11:56.440 Instead, Asians, 82%. 1.00

00:12:00.080 Hispanics, 87%. 0.97

00:12:03.760 Native Americans, 88%.

00:12:07.640 One of the focus group members, an American Indian, said,

00:12:17.200 It seems like every day you wake up and something's changed.

00:12:21.020 Do I say Jew or Jewish?

00:12:22.660 Is it a black guy or an African American?

00:12:24.900 You're on your toes because you never know what to say.

00:12:28.220 Political correctness in this country is becoming frightening.

00:12:34.000 Hmm.

00:12:34.300 That was a Native American, you know, as those whites, which are the least offended,

00:12:43.060 as those whites are standing up to protect the helpless Native American.

00:12:51.640 I think that's the thing that gets me the most, are the people who are not.

00:12:56.860 It's almost like, how did you get into this conversation?

00:13:00.480 How are you a part of this conversation?

00:13:02.580 Imagine, you're not, you're not the one that is the red skin. 1.00

00:13:09.040 How are you standing up and telling Native Americans how they're supposed to feel 1.00

00:13:14.820 when they don't feel that way in poll after poll after poll?

00:13:20.280 One part of the standard narrative of the data, partially affirmed,

00:13:24.640 is that African Americans are most likely to support political correctness,

00:13:28.320 but the difference between them and other groups is much smaller than generally supposed.

00:13:33.600 Three quarters of African Americans oppose political correctness.

00:13:38.140 Three quarters.

00:13:40.320 This means there are only four percentage points less likely than whites

00:13:44.060 and only five percentage points less likely than the average

00:13:47.160 to believe that political correctness is a real problem in America.

00:13:51.380 While 83% of respondents make, who make less than $50,000

00:13:57.060 dislike political correctness,

00:13:59.340 70% of those who make more than $100,000 are skeptical.

00:14:05.140 You want to know why Trump won?

00:14:07.880 You want to know why Cory Booker and all of this nonsense

00:14:11.380 is not going to win?

00:14:13.720 I, you know, yesterday, yesterday we had a call from a listener

00:14:20.400 and I, I was not my best self and I jumped down his throat

00:14:26.180 and I should have said, what is making you feel this way?

00:14:30.560 I know what's making him feel this way.

00:14:34.240 Portland is making him feel this way.

00:14:36.960 The guy who yesterday we found out is building a 200 or built a 200 pound bomb

00:14:44.400 and was going to detonate it on the National Mall on election day.

00:14:50.420 That's what's making him feel this way.

00:14:52.980 The news reports where they are saying mobs,

00:14:56.600 no, this is just petitioning your government is making you feel this way.

00:15:02.940 Getting up every morning and saying, okay, can I,

00:15:05.920 do I say Jew or Jewish today?

00:15:07.520 Which do I say?

00:15:08.660 Can I say transgendered or, or what, what exactly do I say?

00:15:12.460 When they are trampling RuPaul for not being politically correct

00:15:18.120 on transgender issues, you got problems.

00:15:23.260 That is why Cory Booker and Heidi Heitkamp

00:15:26.800 and all of the others are not going to win.

00:15:30.660 It is why they are wildly out of step.

00:15:34.820 It is why you're winning.

00:15:37.640 It's why Kavanaugh is a Supreme Court justice today.

00:15:42.460 And I want to just keep hammering this home every day.

00:15:46.180 The left is not going crazy because they're winning.

00:15:51.600 The left.

00:15:53.060 Did you see what, uh, um, attorney general, what's his name?

00:15:58.440 Uh, Eric Holder said yesterday.

00:16:00.380 Yeah, we had the audio.

00:16:01.520 I think of that.

00:16:01.940 Can we play the audio?

00:16:02.860 If we have that, listen to what Eric Holder is now saying.

00:16:06.560 It is time for us as Democrats to be as tough as they are,

00:16:10.440 to be as dedicated as they are, to be as committed as they are.

00:16:14.480 Michelle always says, Michelle Obama, I love her.

00:16:16.340 You know, she and my wife, like, really tight, um, which always scares me and Barack.

00:16:22.980 But Michelle says that, you know, when they go low, we go high.

00:16:27.700 No.

00:16:28.560 No. 0.95

00:16:29.360 When they go low, we kick them. 0.94

00:16:31.220 Stop.

00:16:36.020 This is what happens to a country that has lost its underpinnings of the Judeo-Christian world. 0.51

00:16:41.620 When they go low, we kick them.

00:16:44.560 Yesterday, Hillary Clinton was all in the news for saying what? 0.62

00:16:49.340 We can't live in a country like this.

00:16:52.160 We can't live.

00:16:53.520 We cannot.

00:16:55.140 The time for civility is, uh, is passed, basically.

00:16:58.900 After we win elections, then we can be civil.

00:17:00.700 We can't be civil with these people.

00:17:03.460 What was the other quote that, uh, he went on to say yesterday because it involved these people,

00:17:09.480 um, where he said, I wanted to see if I can find, ah, shoot, I don't have it.

00:17:15.780 The Eric Holder thing?

00:17:16.880 Yeah, the Eric Holder, where he said these people, um.

00:17:20.380 He said, use rage to vote to be rid of these people.

00:17:23.460 Yeah, use rage to be rid of these people.

00:17:28.720 Well, let me flip this around.

00:17:31.760 What do you mean by these people, Mr. Holder?

00:17:35.940 Because these people, we've learned, is, of course, racist. 0.87

00:17:40.780 We know what you, that's a dog whistle. 0.96

00:17:42.840 That's an Eric Holder dog whistle.

00:17:45.060 And everybody knows what they're saying.

00:17:46.580 Look, I understand why we're angry.

00:17:54.180 Because I'm angry.

00:17:55.080 I'm angry every day. 0.99

00:17:56.100 I look at the news, and I, I'm, they're going to get people killed. 0.99

00:18:00.740 They're going to get people killed. 0.70

00:18:02.220 And when people, as I said in 2009, at some point, they're going to drag people out of their chairs in their studios and beat them to death in the streets. 0.70

00:18:15.220 Because when these people, who are dismissing and encouraging these people to be violent, when that is happening, a lot of people are going to say, well, they deserve it.

00:18:32.420 No.

00:18:33.840 No.

00:18:34.280 We cannot become what they are.

00:18:41.980 We have to hold on to what we've always been.

00:18:46.400 But boy, it is tough.

00:18:48.880 But I will tell you, if we lose our minds, we'll lose.

00:18:53.400 Because, as I showed you in that poll, 80% of people are on our side.

00:19:00.360 Now, that doesn't mean politically.

00:19:02.140 That means they're tired of this.

00:19:06.060 They're tired of the political correctness.

00:19:08.800 They're tired of being told what to think, what to say, what to do, who to reject, what to post, what not to post.

00:19:18.320 They're tired of it, 80%.

00:19:21.280 Keep your cool, and you win.

00:19:28.060 This is the best of the Glenn Beck Program.

00:19:32.140 We're going to take you to a story I thought was a joke.

00:19:39.400 I thought was a joke.

00:19:42.240 Where have the Russians gone?

00:19:45.340 How deeply are they into our consciousness?

00:19:51.180 What will they actually do?

00:19:55.440 Is it all about politics?

00:19:57.240 Stephen Kent, friend of the program, and quite honestly, I mean, probably the biggest Star Wars geek on the planet.

00:20:05.820 Welcome to the program.

00:20:07.300 Stephen, how are you?

00:20:09.000 Doing well, Glenn.

00:20:09.840 Good morning.

00:20:12.320 Tell me this is a joke.

00:20:13.760 It's not a joke.

00:20:17.140 There is a study out from Morton Bay at the University of Southern California that looks at the role that online bots, particularly the Russian persuasion, might have played in the discourse on social media surrounding The Last Jedi.

00:20:32.780 Now, that might sound...

00:20:33.280 Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

00:20:34.740 Yeah.

00:20:35.140 So you just kind of ran by surrounding The Last Jedi, the movie.

00:20:41.300 The Last Jedi, nice and low-hanging target being a Star Wars movie.

00:20:45.280 What do people care about more than politics?

00:20:47.740 I would say that it's probably the light side versus the dark side and the eternal struggle in a galaxy far, far away.

00:20:52.920 You know, you've mentioned, Glenn, like they prey on these very emotional and personal issues on social media.

00:21:01.020 It's not just about politics and Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump.

00:21:04.020 It can be about kneeling, the national anthem.

00:21:06.460 It can be about something that a celebrity might have said, and then it's amplified and sort of turned up to 11 so that people get really heated about it.

00:21:13.760 Star Wars is in that category, too, and there might be some evidence to show that this is actually happening every day.

00:21:21.340 Give me the evidence.

00:21:22.920 This is incredible.

00:21:25.160 Yeah.

00:21:25.560 So it's circumstantial in many ways, but that's by nature of what we're dealing with here.

00:21:30.280 When you're talking about foreign influence and particularly malicious activity coming from Russian bots or trolls or sock puppet accounts, you are talking about a moving target, people who are deleting their accounts, changing their information, making new accounts, staying active so that they can't actually be tracked to a given location.

00:22:19.360 We're talking about foreign influence online, and it might be Russians, it might be the Chinese, it might be Iranians, or it might be some Floridian with a bone to pick with the rest of the country.

00:22:26.900 So what did they plant into our society?

00:22:32.640 Well, in this case, what they planted, there was evidence that there were 16 accounts that could specifically be Russian-linked, 105 that sort of had a question mark as to where they could be originating from, that are jumping online when The Last Jedi comes out and people are starting to debate about the movie.

00:22:51.860 And then they start throwing in the tweets about the Feminazi Admiral Holdo, and then they start throwing in tweets about how masculinity is under assault because Poe Dameron wasn't able to lead the ship.

00:23:05.400 And then they start throwing in tweets about SJW droids and the fact that there was a droid in the hospital.

00:23:10.940 I remember those.

00:23:12.040 Yeah, and so – but the important thing, Glenn, is that that comes from real people too, and you can't really distinguish what comes first, like the chicken or the egg.

00:23:21.800 Did the Russian bot or troll online plant the thought in a conservative or activist or a Star Wars fan online, and then they sort of echo it?

00:23:31.960 Or did it go the other way around?

00:23:34.040 Because it is reasonable to look at Star Wars and see some sort of like progressive fingers in the pot.

00:23:41.000 But there's also this discourse online that happens where you sort of amplify other opinions that you see.

00:23:47.680 You see someone upset about the Feminazis now taking over Star Wars, Kathleen Kennedy or the Asian girl in the new Star Wars movie. 0.99

00:23:55.620 And if you get amplified about that and feel like, oh, well, someone else is angry about that too, I can now feel a little bit more angry, then the discourse just rapidly gets more radical.

00:24:08.980 And it's pretty reasonable to think that there are foreign actors who engage in this malicious activity.

00:24:14.580 Stephen, it's interesting, I think, and this is part of the crime against journalism that's happened, making every effort of what Russia has tried to do in America about Donald Trump.

00:24:24.600 You know, it's like, look at the scope of this.

00:24:29.620 The fact that they are trying to go in there and stir people up over not just politics, but culture and Star Wars and all of these kind of separate things, Kaepernick, all of this stuff.

00:24:40.460 And not just separating us, Stu, I think also pushing us into a place.

00:24:46.280 I hear this all the time.

00:24:47.180 I know I am like this.

00:24:49.080 When did everything become political?

00:24:51.060 They're pushing everything, all pop culture, everything into politics.

00:24:56.760 Yeah, there's a great book out right now called Addicted to Outrage by Glenn Beck.

00:25:01.780 Towards the end of part one, at least in the audio book, it's chapter 19.

00:25:06.480 They're talking a lot about the role that foreign actors and particularly Russians might play in trying to sow discord. 0.94

00:25:13.240 And what we do know about Russians that were able to do in the 2016 election, we don't know if they actually were able to impact the results and how people voted, but we are able to determine that they get their fingers into the way that we talk.

00:25:27.200 And what's most important, I think, about American politics and culture is not that we are able to agree on everything political, but that we're actually able to go to a movie theater and sit next to our neighbors in the dark and smile at a Star Wars movie.

00:25:42.320 But then when you go in and you've sort of been reading these things online and you've had people tell you that now it's like liberal propaganda and that it's not the Star Wars you grew up with, then you can't even do that.

00:25:55.000 And think about what that does to a culture, not in the course of one year, but in the course of 10 years.

00:26:00.400 We have we'll have nothing in common if we allow people to manipulate us like this and get us hooked on outrage on a constant basis about anything, whether it's politics or media.

00:26:12.220 Steven, thank you for writing about this.

00:26:16.160 This is in the Washington Examiner. Thank you for watching writing about this.

00:26:20.900 Is it is it because it was Star Wars that this popped up on your radar or why is it that no one else is is catching this, Steven?

00:26:31.560 Well, I would say that there was a pretty good deal of writing done about this.

00:26:35.040 And for me, I did catch this because I've got Google Alerts set up for Star Wars and I care a lot about it.

00:26:39.800 But, you know, I live in Star Wars Twitter as well as conservative and libertarian Twitter.

00:26:45.000 You know, these are kind of different ecosystems and the dialogue in Star Wars Twitter is is toxic.

00:26:51.880 It was so mean when these movies came out, particularly around Solo and The Last Jedi.

00:26:57.320 The Last Jedi really sort of agitated right wing Twitter and Solo really agitated left wing Twitter.

00:27:04.320 Everybody was arguing about these different things and just using language that you just don't see or you didn't see a couple of years ago in Star Wars.

00:27:13.600 And then you turn on your favorite conservative podcast.

00:27:16.840 Right. And I have a couple and they're sort of been echoing those sentiments.

00:27:20.860 And then their actual fans are going out and engaging in Star Wars discourse.

00:27:25.820 But there's it's not really clear, like, who is genuine and who is not and who's coming to it as a really interested fan and who's coming to it as a political activist who just really wants to make people angry.

00:27:38.000 And that's what we have to remember when we get online is there is no guarantee that the person, even if they have a real name and a photo associated with their account, is a genuine human being who wants you to leave this conversation happy.

00:27:50.240 I don't know if you've ever won an argument on Twitter.

00:27:52.460 I have not.

00:27:53.920 It's the equivalent of a foreign city. 0.98

00:27:56.600 You need to be getting off the airplane in this new city and just assume that you're not safe anywhere you go and you should just talk to people that you know and that you trust.

00:28:04.960 Stephen, thank you very much.

00:28:07.560 Always good to talk to you.

00:28:09.500 Yeah, Glenn.

00:28:09.960 Real pleasure.

00:28:10.560 May the force be with you both.

00:28:13.380 Stephen Kent.

00:28:16.020 He's got a great sense of humor.

00:28:17.640 He has a he's really smart guy.

00:28:20.680 You listen to his podcast.

00:28:23.280 Follow him at Twitter.

00:28:24.340 What's his what's his Twitter handle? 0.99

00:28:27.520 It's got to be like Yoda kicks ass. 0.99

00:28:30.160 I think it is Yoda. 0.99

00:28:30.900 No, I lost it.

00:28:33.600 Here we go.

00:28:34.380 It's at Stephen underscore Kent 89.

00:28:38.800 Yeah.

00:28:43.060 This is the best of the Glenn Beck program.

00:28:56.160 Hi, it's Glenn.

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00:29:07.600 Thanks.

00:29:08.500 Glenn Beck.

00:29:09.980 I am thrilled to have and introduce you to Helen Pluckrose.

00:29:17.960 She is the editor in chief of Arrow magazine.

00:29:20.880 She has written an article that I want to go through with her.

00:29:27.380 But I also want to point out that if you follow the news a couple of weeks ago, I think it was of these three scientists that came out and tried to publish papers that were complete nonsense of the dog.

00:29:44.040 I think it was the rape culture in dog parks on dogs. 1.00

00:29:48.060 And one of the responses before they published it was, did they get permission from the dogs?

00:29:53.480 They were afraid that maybe they were violated a little bit.

00:29:56.820 I mean, it's crazy what happened.

00:29:58.280 They published one article that was, they just took a chapter of Mein Kampf and I think changed it.

00:30:07.080 What did they change it to, Stu?

00:30:08.100 Do you remember? 0.57

00:30:10.080 White people are feminine. 1.00

00:30:11.480 I don't remember.

00:30:12.400 Helen will remember.

00:30:13.840 It's pretty remarkable.

00:30:15.640 We'll hopefully chat with her about that just a little bit.

00:30:18.440 Helen Pluckrose joins the program now.

00:30:20.980 Hello, Helen.

00:30:21.420 Helen, how are you?

00:30:22.580 Hello, I'm very well.

00:30:23.860 Thank you for inviting me.

00:30:25.120 You bet.

00:30:25.540 Now, you're in London now?

00:30:27.500 I am.

00:30:28.200 Okay.

00:30:29.960 First of all, thanks for coming on the program.

00:30:32.620 I want to talk to you about your essay, How French Intellectuals Ruined the West, Postmodernism and Its Impact Explained.

00:30:40.880 I read the article and let's just say my audience is very smart.

00:30:47.480 I am not the sharpest knife in the drawer.

00:30:50.080 So, pretend you're talking to somebody that, you know, doesn't really know much about this because you are talking to that person.

00:31:00.500 And I'm trying to understand it, but postmodernism itself just doesn't make sense at all to me.

00:31:07.780 And so, I want to make sure that I have it right and the audience understands it because I think it is the disease that is – it's the cancer for the Western world, is it not?

00:31:20.600 Well, I don't think it's the only cancer.

00:31:25.040 I think it's certainly a problem that's coming up in how we understand knowledge and how we on the left are looking at ethics.

00:31:33.860 And I think that's feeding into a rise on the other side of an increase in nationalism and anti-intellectualism and a kind of reversion to some utopian past which never existed.

00:31:49.620 But, yes, it is a significant problem which has affected how we decide what is true and how we evaluate rights and people standing in society.

00:32:04.660 Right. And so, this is the source of, you know, gender fluidity and really intersectionality and all of this stuff that we're hearing that most people wake up every day and they're like, okay, what new term do I have to learn today?

00:32:20.340 What can I say? What can I not say?

00:32:22.440 This is the source of that.

00:32:24.960 Would you agree with that?

00:32:25.840 I would, yes. Intersectionality is very explicitly defined by its founder as contemporary politics applied to postmodern theory.

00:32:34.960 Okay. So, let's start at the beginning of postmodernism.

00:32:41.040 Is it related at all to the Dadaist movement that grew out of the First World War where they were trying to make a point of nothing really has any meaning?

00:32:53.580 And then that kind of just went awry.

00:32:57.520 Is any of the roots in that movement at all?

00:33:01.640 Yes. I mean, postmodernism, it's antecedents, which I don't actually go into in huge detail because they're just so varied.

00:33:09.360 But it comes out of a lot of counter-enlightenment philosophy.

00:33:12.960 It comes out of absurdist art.

00:33:15.920 It's a kind of coming together of an artistic and philosophical movement.

00:33:22.040 And the artistic side of it is actually really fun.

00:33:25.980 We don't have to worry at all about postmodernism in art.

00:33:31.300 It's when it starts being applied to society and we're starting to understand society as completely constructed in systems of power

00:33:41.340 and knowledge is a construct of this power, that it comes from language, that language is dangerous because it constructs reality.

00:33:49.500 That's sort of the key ideas which are underlying the problem that we're seeing now.

00:33:56.640 Now, you say that it's not anything worrisome in art, but I would consider literature art as well.

00:34:03.240 And this is now how we are being taught that we have to read literature, that we read it through the lens of oppression, white, male, European oppression.

00:34:16.720 Even if the author is saying, no, no, that's not what the story is about, that's not, the author is not even the last word on this.

00:34:27.940 It is the postmodernist that can take and read that text any way they want, correct?

00:34:35.200 Absolutely, yes.

00:34:36.340 I mean, I think there there's a slight confusion because that approach to literature is part of the cultural philosophical problem.

00:34:44.100 But a postmodern book, for example, would be a very different thing.

00:34:50.000 It would be something that had no clear plot, that didn't have an ending.

00:34:53.820 There's one which which is just the beginning of a lot of stories, which which doesn't add up.

00:34:58.800 So that is a style that is almost completely separate from the moralistic thing.

00:35:05.140 All right.

00:35:05.420 So you're saying as an artist, you could create something that has no meaning.

00:35:09.800 But it is only when it's used as a critique that it starts to get into trouble.

00:35:17.420 Yes.

00:35:17.800 Yes, exactly.

00:35:18.640 I mean, it's some wonderful, some very fun TV shows, apparently, of postmodern, but they're not political.

00:35:25.220 So they're not the same problem.

00:35:26.940 Great.

00:35:27.360 OK.

00:35:28.140 So tell me how it where it grew and how it grabbed us by the throat or our university systems.

00:35:36.580 Well, the original postmodernists, they were just a small group of very, very prolific writers in the late 60s, including Jean-Francois Lyotard, Jacques Derrida, Baudrillard, and particularly Michel Foucault.

00:35:52.580 And they came together all from different disciplines and all seemingly at the same time with the same message that they were disillusioned with the modern period.

00:36:04.800 They were disillusioned with Marxism and they were disillusioned with religion and institutions.

00:36:10.600 And they thought that these were all meta-narratives.

00:36:15.000 They were big, comfortable understandings of things that had just fallen apart.

00:36:19.360 This comes after the world wars, the fall of empire.

00:36:24.200 All these sort of certainties were crumbling.

00:36:26.660 And there was a shift in society to try to understand, are the things that we thought were true actually true?

00:36:34.020 The postmodernists are those who took this to a new philosophical level and simply said, no, this reality is not something we find.

00:36:43.520 It's something that we make.

00:36:44.940 And we make it in the service of power.

00:36:47.620 So it is powerful groups which have decided for us what is true.

00:36:52.640 And these are understood to be white, heterosexual, rich men.

00:36:57.340 And this should be overturned.

00:36:59.800 It should be unpicked.

00:37:01.740 But the first postmodernists were not, they didn't have a particular political goal.

00:37:09.300 They were certainly leftist, but they weren't, they were generally quite aimless.

00:37:13.560 They wanted to sort of pull things apart, show problems with it.

00:37:16.580 It wasn't until the late 80s and early 90s when a lot of feminists and critical race theorists, queer theorists, et cetera, said, well, taking everything apart is all good and well. 0.70

00:37:28.960 Yes, we need to deconstruct things.

00:37:30.680 Yes, we need to see that everything is socially constructed.

00:37:33.720 But we have to have some kind of reality if we're going to address anything.

00:37:37.360 We cannot, for example, address sexism against women unless we agree that women are a certain thing that experience certain things in certain times and places.

00:37:47.060 So there was a change here to bring back some kind of objective reality, and that was systems of privilege and power that could then be analyzed, but very subjectively from the perspective of experience and with the assumption that we are always looking at a power imbalance in any interaction between different groups.

00:38:09.700 Okay, so let me go back, because I think people might be thinking, why are we talking about postmodernism?

00:38:20.080 How does it relate to my life?

00:38:21.820 This, I believe, is critical to, if you don't understand this, or at least have a basic handle on it, you don't know what you're fighting.

00:38:31.000 You don't know what's really happening.

00:38:32.880 You don't know who's behind a lot of this or what the theories are behind it.

00:38:37.440 So let me first say, postmodernism, the modern world is the world that was created, that chased out the Dark Ages.

00:38:47.680 It's the world created by the enlightenment of science and reason and empirical evidence.

00:38:56.040 And even, I mean, when you hear people say mathematics is racist, this is because they're trying to deconstruct anything that holds the modern world together.

00:39:12.060 Is that correct?

00:39:13.800 Yes, they think that it has been constructed unfairly, that a lot of voices have been left out, and this relates somehow to a lot of knowledges.

00:39:22.280 I particularly have a problem with the idea that irrational and unempirical knowledge is the property of women or non-white people.

00:39:35.760 So, yeah, that is how it works.

00:39:38.320 Okay.

00:39:38.740 I want to take you, before we move forward, I want to take you back one more step.

00:39:45.380 I'm going to take a break, and then we come back.

00:39:47.320 I'd like you to help me on this, because it's my understanding that Derrida and Foucault came over to the United States, that this was really kind of shaped in frustration from the 1968 Paris riots,

00:40:04.640 and in frustration that they're not going to be able to take this whole thing down unless they take it all down.

00:40:12.000 They've got to take all the systems down.

00:40:13.340 They're not going to win through culture.

00:40:14.440 And that it was actually much more strategic in its planting of a virus, if you will.

00:40:26.180 And I'd love to hear your take on that, if that's true or not, when we come back.

00:40:31.360 Despite all the evidence that racism, sexism, homophobia, transphobia, xenophobia are at an all-time low in Western societies,

00:40:40.060 leftist academics and social justice activists display fatalistic pessimism.

00:40:45.260 This is coming from the post-modernist take.

00:40:51.300 Now, Helen, I've tried to find good purposes for this, and the way it is being enacted now, it just seems like a total, I don't know, an embrace of total chaos and destruction.

00:41:09.600 I can understand why a lot of people who are not understanding how this has worked, particularly conservatives, can see this as completely destructive.

00:41:25.240 But there was a good purpose to it.

00:41:29.220 There are good aims to it.

00:41:32.080 I mean, I am a liberal, so you and I will probably not agree entirely on what good aims are.

00:41:38.160 But when post-modernism arose and the second wave of it, it's very important to sort of focus on the second wave,

00:41:48.580 which diversified into critical race theory, intersectionality, queer theory, etc.

00:41:53.860 That's what we're seeing now, much more than these earlier, very obscure ideas about knowledge.

00:41:59.940 But they came at a time following the end of the civil rights movement.

00:42:04.620 They claimed to be the heirs of Martin Luther King, of second wave liberal feminism, of gay pride.

00:42:12.340 They came and they hit the U.S. and the U.K., particularly because we were in a position of, sort of culturally, of taking stock of what had happened recently.

00:42:27.080 But for the Brits, empire had just collapsed and there was an enormous amount of post-colonial guilt in the U.S., seeing the end of the Jim Crow era and sort of reckoning with a history of slavery.

00:42:41.520 So society was largely geared towards continuing this very positive sort of civil rights movement and making society freer, more equal for everyone.

00:42:53.860 So, Helen, you know, you said a minute ago, and maybe we just have a different definition.

00:43:04.840 I'm a classic liberal, as we would know here in America.

00:43:09.580 I am a I'm a libertarian.

00:43:11.920 I think that anything that makes man more free is good.

00:43:18.200 Anything that builds the individual up and is is empowering for the individual, I think is is a good thing.

00:43:26.560 And I support it.

00:43:28.140 And I think that many Americans feel this way, you know, with political correctness.

00:43:33.740 You know, I go back to the handicapable, you know, nobody wanted to say if that really hurts somebody's feelings that that, you know, nobody wants to do that or very few people want to do that. 1.00

00:43:45.420 You know, it does kind of say, well, the next generation is going to just assume, you know, just going to attach the same meanings behind handicapable is handicapped.

00:43:55.180 But, you know, so it's a little worthless over the long period of time.

00:43:59.180 But I don't think anybody I think generally speaking, people are fair.

00:44:03.700 What this is turned into is oppression.

00:44:08.260 Yes, I mean, I think that's something that we have to hold on to, because when if we accept that everybody is generally trying to be fair, is generally trying to be good and to do good for their societies.

00:44:23.160 And they actually care about their fellow human beings, then, yes, we have this situation where the vast majority of us are still very much in line with modern principles of equal opportunity, freedom, rights.

00:44:38.740 And we have to understand that a lot of the people who have taken on and internalized a lot of the postmodern ideas are also trying to do good and trying to be fair.

00:44:48.580 But what we have to look at is how this is working in practice.

00:44:53.220 We are seeing a rising authoritarianism, a totalitarianism from the activists who are drawing on these ideas which have come out of these series.

00:45:08.460 I believe that this is a small part of the population, but it is drawing in more of the left because they want to kind of internalize some of these ideas because the ideals are good.

00:45:25.020 The ideals that that women, people of color, LGBT should have the same rights as everybody else is what is underlying this.

00:45:33.520 And these aims are good. A lot of left liberals who really should know better are thinking, well, how bad can this be if they have these aims?

00:45:42.780 It is a problem because it is supremely irrational. It is supremely illiberal.

00:45:48.040 It is taking us away from the progress that we made in the universal liberal advance of the civil rights movements and equal pay for women, the decriminalization of homosexuality, etc.

00:46:01.020 It is not continuing that. It is really doing something quite different now.

00:46:08.500 This is the best of a Glenn Beck program.

00:46:11.460 So I don't know if you noticed this, but yesterday it was a little scary if you had money in the stock market.

00:46:25.420 What is it? The third largest point fall, I think, in history, American history, something like that.

00:46:32.360 But, you know, when you look at it, historically, it's kind of unfair because the stock market is up so high.

00:46:39.380 Down again today. Bonds are down. Debt is up. Where is money going? What is happening?

00:46:47.020 Is this the beginning of something or is this just a, you know, bump in the road?

00:46:50.880 We go to Stephen Moore, economist at the Heritage Foundation.

00:46:55.320 Hello, Stephen. How are you?

00:46:56.720 Hi, Glenn. No, I've been better.

00:46:59.060 This has been a couple of three or four days we've had in the stock market.

00:47:03.040 You're right about that.

00:47:04.080 And so, look, but I remain pretty bullish.

00:47:08.500 Look, the Dow is down now to 25,400.

00:47:12.000 It was up, you know, well over 1,200 points higher than that a week ago.

00:47:16.320 I like to buy these dips.

00:47:18.320 But, you know, you look at the fundamentals of the U.S. economy with the tax cuts, the deregulations, the high employment.

00:47:25.060 I'm still really high on the U.S. economy.

00:47:28.140 I'm still high on the stock market, especially at these low prices right now.

00:47:32.580 So what happened yesterday?

00:47:34.240 What spooked it?

00:47:36.560 Well, good question.

00:47:37.660 We're all scratching our head wondering what it was.

00:47:39.420 I mean, Donald Trump seems to think it was the Fed, and there's no question that the Fed interest rate hike and their announcement that they're going to continue to raise interest rates certainly moved people out of stocks into bonds because when interest rates rise, then bonds are more attractive relatively than stocks.

00:47:55.840 Usually those effects of Fed changes are short term.

00:48:00.080 So I don't think you're going to see a long-term effect from that.

00:48:03.400 Although I tend to agree with Donald Trump that here we've got this booming economy, we don't see real signs of inflation, although energy prices are rising, but other commodities are pretty stable or actually falling in price.

00:48:16.200 So I don't see a big inflation gain, I mean, you know, pick up.

00:48:20.540 And what Trump is saying, and I think there's some truth to this, is to the Fed and Jerome Powell, why are you taking the punch bowl away from this party just when it's getting going?

00:48:30.480 And I tend to think that he's right about that.

00:48:33.820 You know, look, I don't want inflation, but just because the economy is picking up doesn't mean you're going to have more inflation.

00:48:39.460 I don't think that the Fed's job is to squash a stock market rally and a pickup in employment, as we've seen in record numbers.

00:48:47.740 Yeah, I would tell you, Stephen, you know I'm an inflation watcher and hyperinflation watcher.

00:48:54.440 I was really concerned with all the repatriated money that was coming in and the tax breaks, and we haven't seen it.

00:49:03.420 Yeah, show me the inflation.

00:49:04.960 I mean, look, I have to admit, you know, I admit when I'm wrong.

00:49:09.440 I'm a conservative who admits when I'm wrong.

00:49:11.160 I'm not wrong all that often, but I did predict we'd see higher inflation as a result of, you know, all the money creation by the Fed.

00:49:17.240 And the truth is we haven't seen it.

00:49:19.480 And, by the way, one of the reasons for that is we have international trade.

00:49:23.160 We have, you know, we have all sorts of technological change that makes goods and services cheaper over time.

00:49:30.460 And trade and technology are two things that really keep prices down and affordable.

00:49:35.200 And so my only point is I just think the Fed acted preemptively and prematurely in raising rates in a way that wasn't necessary.

00:49:44.240 I am a little concerned, by the way, Glenn, about the increase in the price of oil.

00:49:48.580 It's gone up to $80 a barrel.

00:49:50.180 That's like equivalent of $4 a gallon.

00:49:53.240 Why?

00:49:53.880 Why has it gone up?

00:49:55.400 That's like a tax on the economy.

00:49:57.020 Why has it gone up?

00:49:58.420 You there, Stephen?

00:49:59.260 Stephen, are you there?

00:50:00.540 Yeah.

00:50:00.680 I didn't hear what you just said.

00:50:02.000 Okay, why is oil going up?

00:50:07.240 That's a good question, too.

00:50:08.820 It looks like because there's been disruptions in the Middle East with respect to Iraq.

00:50:15.260 And so you're seeing a big, you know, a big sell-off as a result.

00:50:18.740 I mean, a big rise in the price because people are really concerned about the, you know, about the price, the global reduction in supply as a result of that.

00:50:29.380 So bring Texas back online.

00:50:31.080 Bring Texas back online.

00:50:33.780 Well, that's the point.

00:50:34.920 You know, look, I think oil prices are going to fall.

00:50:37.560 I just was out in Midland, Texas, in the middle of the Permian Basin.

00:50:41.140 I've never seen anything like it, Glenn.

00:50:42.660 I mean, everywhere you go, all they're doing is drilling, drilling, drilling, drilling.

00:50:46.240 And, you know, it's anywhere you can stick a stick in the ground, they're drilling for oil and natural gas.

00:50:50.920 So I don't think we're going to see a continuation, you know, over the next year or so of these higher prices.

00:50:57.920 In fact, I think they're going to dwindle back down again.

00:51:00.300 So, you know, I think that the big problem right now is just fear.

00:51:04.500 You know this.

00:51:05.320 The stock market is driven by fear and greed.

00:51:07.380 And that's a truism for 150 years.

00:51:10.800 And people are afraid right now that – and by the way, there was a lot of profit taking.

00:51:14.740 I did this myself.

00:51:15.720 When the Dow hit 26,500, I said to my wife, finally, let's take some of these profits and get out of the market.

00:51:22.060 And I think a lot of people did that.

00:51:24.380 Stephen, let me ask you this.

00:51:28.120 I don't know if this is true or this is an old wives' tale.

00:51:31.520 But the last president that I heard really take on the Fed was Ronald Reagan.

00:51:38.520 And we had 19 percent interest rates, right, shortly after that until he stopped talking about the Fed.

00:51:45.640 And the Fed has a lot of control.

00:51:47.620 I mean, and, you know, a lot of people say it's, you know, somehow some kind of a violation for the president to question the Fed.

00:51:55.480 And I wrote a column on this last week.

00:51:57.100 I don't know why.

00:51:57.720 The president is the chief executive officer of the country, right?

00:52:01.380 He is the one who is supposed to help manage our economy.

00:52:04.940 If he doesn't think the Fed is doing the right thing, why shouldn't he speak out?

00:52:08.280 Now, look, I don't want to see a politicization of the Fed.

00:52:11.200 Correct.

00:52:11.600 But I think there's a lot of – look, one of the lessons we've learned, Glenn, you and I have talked about this over the years.

00:52:16.680 These are not some kind of oracles on high at the Fed.

00:52:20.140 They act as if they're the temple with all of the knowledge and all of the intelligence.

00:52:24.500 But they've made so many mistakes over the years.

00:52:26.600 You mentioned – I remember the 70s, as you do, when we had literally 20 percent mortgage interest rates.

00:52:32.380 That was all because of Fed mistakes.

00:52:34.840 You know, I would make the same case that the Fed, you know, was the one that built up this bubble that led to the housing crisis in 2007 and 2008.

00:52:42.100 Why do we keep thinking these people are somehow, like, godlike?

00:52:46.720 I don't know.

00:52:48.060 I don't know.

00:52:49.500 Let me ask you about the NAFTA replacement and also the trade war that we have going on with China.

00:53:00.600 I fear that Donald Trump really likes trade wars and we're not – that this isn't a negotiation tactic.

00:53:10.380 If it is, you know, great.

00:53:13.580 But do you think – is it, Stephen?

00:53:15.860 Or is this what he really fundamentally believes, that tariffs are good?

00:53:20.060 Here's my view.

00:53:21.120 And I've talked to Donald Trump many times about this, you know.

00:53:23.740 And he said this at the Rose Garden.

00:53:25.100 I was at his Rose Garden ceremony last week when he announced the new trade agreement.

00:53:28.940 And he basically said, look, I will – I am using these tariffs as a tool, as a negotiating tactic to get better trade agreements.

00:53:40.700 Now, I'm a free trade guy.

00:53:41.840 I think you are too, Glenn.

00:53:42.860 And so I used to tell Donald Trump, I don't agree with you on your trade strategy, but I've got to say, so far, you know, the kind of apocalyptic view has not happened.

00:53:51.800 Trump is getting some good deals.

00:53:53.060 He got a deal with Mexico.

00:53:54.400 He played Canada like a fiddle here where he basically said, you know, we're just going to go ahead without you with Mexico. 0.92

00:53:59.800 And Canada at the 11th hour, literally 11 o'clock on the night before the deal had to be sealed, Canada came and said, okay, we agree to the deal.

00:54:07.700 He's going to get a good deal, I think, with Europe.

00:54:09.520 And then that leads to Canada – I mean, to China.

00:54:13.240 And this is where I think Trump is going to take a very hard line.

00:54:17.980 And I happen to agree with – I don't know.

00:54:20.620 You and I haven't talked about this, Glenn, but I am a hardliner when it comes to China.

00:54:24.600 I'm a free trade guy, but China – we don't have free trade with China.

00:54:27.680 China is cheating.

00:54:28.680 They're stealing.

00:54:29.780 They're, you know, $300 billion of your intellectual property.

00:54:32.660 They're building up their military.

00:54:34.260 They're like, you know, the old Soviet Union in terms of a lot of the tactics they're using. 0.75

00:54:39.180 And so I do think Trump should get tough with China.

00:54:41.340 What do you think?

00:54:42.460 I think so, too.

00:54:43.420 I just want to make sure that we understand the symbiotic relationship of mutually assured economic destruction when it comes to China. 0.97

00:54:51.460 Well, let me challenge you on that one.

00:54:53.380 You know, I'm going to – of course a trade war would hurt us.

00:54:57.120 But I think the way Trump looks at it, and I think he's right about this.

00:55:00.040 Look, if we can't trade with China, we sneeze. 0.93

00:55:03.100 If they can't trade with us, they catch pneumonia.

00:55:05.440 And I think there's a lot of truth to that.

00:55:06.780 I mean, they can't – their economy depends on access to America's $15 trillion consumer market.

00:55:12.880 I mean, damn near everything you buy in Walmart is made in China.

00:55:17.660 And so Trump is playing that card and saying, look, we're not going to give you unfettered access to our markets if you're not going to play by the rules.

00:55:24.780 I talk to companies' CEOs all the time, Glenn, who basically say it's almost impossible to penetrate the China market.

00:55:30.960 You've got to give up ownership of your company.

00:55:32.880 You have to give up your trade secrets, your patents.

00:55:35.300 I mean, we can't live with that.

00:55:36.560 And Trump is right, I think, when he says, look, I didn't start this trade deal, this trade war.

00:55:40.940 They started it 10 years ago.

00:55:42.600 I would feel better if we also weren't – if they also weren't our bank at the same time.

00:55:47.720 I would feel better about it.

00:55:49.060 Hey, Stephen, quickly, one quick question for you.

00:55:51.560 I know you probably have a real insight on this.

00:55:54.560 We were kind of – talked about the steel tariffs and these things going on allies like Canada as a way of negotiating and bringing these countries to the table for what was kind of like a NAFTA 2.0 type of situation.

00:56:09.560 Well, that happened, but the steel tariffs are still on Canada.

00:56:12.680 Do you have any idea why, or is this going to change at any point?

00:56:15.840 Well, this is one of the issues that I – as you know, I'm a big fan of Donald Trump.

00:56:19.640 I helped write the tax plan with my buddy Larry Kudlow.

00:56:22.080 But I just disagree with this policy.

00:56:24.960 I don't see the wisdom in steel and aluminum tariffs or auto tariffs, but especially not steel and aluminum because, you know, we have something like 100,000 Americans who are employed in steel and auto.

00:56:35.060 But we've got 6 million other manufacturers who use steel and aluminum in what they produce.

00:56:40.580 I was over at Anheuser-Busch a couple weeks ago.

00:56:44.020 They – you know, when they make, you know, Budweiser's, they're using a lot of aluminum for those cans, and they say their prices are going up, and that's going on around the country.

00:56:53.020 Our auto producers – our autos are more expensive because of the steel tariffs.

00:56:56.820 So my point to Trump is this isn't even creating factory jobs.

00:56:59.780 We're going to lose factory jobs as a result of this.

00:57:02.020 So I disagree very strongly with the steel and aluminum tariffs.

00:57:06.260 I think they do more harm than good.

00:57:07.660 Does he look like he's softening?

00:57:10.940 No.

00:57:12.140 Do you think – I don't see it.

00:57:13.320 I don't see it either.

00:57:14.400 It's kind of an evergreen response to that question, isn't it?

00:57:16.640 Yeah.

00:57:16.800 No, he's not.

00:57:17.560 Yeah, no, and I –

00:57:18.920 At the Rose Garden last week, he said how – he was boasting about how all the steel jobs we're creating.

00:57:24.480 It's true.

00:57:25.000 We are creating steel jobs, Mr. President, but we're losing auto jobs.

00:57:28.440 We're losing, you know, jobs in other areas that manufacture equipment, trucks, and things, you know, those kinds of things that use steel and aluminum. 0.92

00:57:37.440 So it's a dumb policy. 0.93

00:57:39.120 I wish you would reverse it. 0.98

00:57:40.200 And by the way, the auto care, same thing.

00:57:42.340 Even the U.S. auto industry doesn't want the auto care.

00:57:44.900 Because, you know, so many of their supplies come from, you know, countries abroad.

00:57:50.620 You know, there was manufactured – you know, the steel might have come from, you know, Canada.

00:57:55.660 The assembly might have come from Mexico.

00:57:58.180 The parts might have come from Taiwan.

00:58:00.220 I mean, this is the modern American and global economy at work, and we put ourselves at risk here.

00:58:06.120 But at the end of the day, I think Trump is going to prevail on China. 0.79

00:58:08.780 I think – I'll make a prediction within six months, I think China is going to come hand in hand and make some real concessions to Trump.

00:58:16.580 And ultimately, if that happens, you're going to see the biggest stock market boom you ever saw.

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