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00:00:06.260 Welcome to the Glenn Beck Podcast.

00:00:08.560 This is Jeff Fisher, Jeffy, and Pat Gray and I did the last little bit of the broadcast

00:00:14.460 because Glenn started us out today after taking yesterday off thinking he'd come back,

00:00:20.280 thought he was ready to get in the ring.

00:00:22.500 He only made it about halfway.

00:00:24.280 The voice gave out on him.

00:00:25.740 He's still feeling kind of crappy, so we took over for him.

00:00:29.180 But the show itself, he started out with Courage as a Muscle.

00:00:32.480 He talked about how you have to work to be courageous.

00:00:35.480 It doesn't just happen.

00:00:37.040 He talked again for a few minutes to clinical professor NYU Michael Rechtenwald.

00:00:43.020 And we also, Pat and I, talked to Mona Sharon, Outrage Culture, about her new book, Sex Matters.

00:00:49.300 And we covered a little bit of the Kavanaugh case throughout the entire broadcast

00:00:54.300 because no one knows for sure if Ford is going to show up to testify.

00:01:01.360 So we'll get your thoughts and our thoughts on that on this podcast, the Glenn Beck Program.

00:01:06.460 Thanks for listening.

00:01:07.060 You're listening to The Best of the Glenn Beck Program.

00:01:20.620 It's Wednesday, September 26.

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00:01:51.700 that sounds peaceful and nice doesn't it that was washington dc antifa harassing ted cruz and his

00:02:04.240 wife as they tried to have just a date night in an upscale dc restaurant the group followed cruz

00:02:10.180 into the building surrounded them yelled in their faces and even surrounded their table

00:02:15.800 antifa filmed the entire thing as one of their members badgered senator cruz with a barrage of

00:02:22.080 ridiculous questions about brett kavanaugh the couple eventually had to flee the restaurant

00:02:28.100 what are we turning into america antifa was very proud of themselves they of course uh took to

00:02:36.840 twitter claiming the entire operation in a long tweet thread which included the video of the

00:02:42.140 entire event it concluded with this quote this is a message to ted cruz brett kavanaugh donald trump 1.00

00:02:49.020 and the rest of the racist sexist transphobic and homophobic right-wing scum you are not safe 0.99

00:02:56.080 we will find you so now let me recap here for a minute antifa tracked down a public figure in a 1.00

00:03:04.660 public place harassed him yelled at both cruz and his wife then used the twitter platform to make it

00:03:12.640 go viral and added a threat to boot now we've been asking twitter to show us some sort of standard that

00:03:20.520 users can look to so we know what is or isn't suspendable or bannable offense on their platform

00:03:27.580 it appeared we finally got that when they banned alex jones now if you remember right why was alex jones

00:03:35.080 banned twitter had claimed that he had engaged and targeted and and harassed uh cnn reporter oliver

00:03:43.980 darcy they stated and i quote tweets designed to threaten belittle demean and silence individuals

00:03:53.380 have no place on this platform so here is a serious question for the ceo of twitter jack dorsey

00:04:01.960 how is what antifa did to senator cruz and his wife any different at all to what you banned alex jones

00:04:10.240 for in fact alex jones seems tame in comparison they targeted two people at a public space they harassed

00:04:20.340 them belittled demeaned and tried to silence them they even went a step further and added an actual

00:04:26.540 threat this is miles worse than what alex jones did to aliver oliver darcy as of this morning the

00:04:33.520 washington dc antifa twitter account at smash racism dc is still active here's another question

00:04:42.920 but this one is to silicon valley or maybe to that young dreamer who's starting a tech company out of

00:04:49.500 their garage the free market is ripe to completely dethrone the social media landscape found a

00:04:57.960 company on the basis of actual freedom and actual free speech it is way past time for twitter and

00:05:06.660 facebook to be pushed off of their pedestal this is the best of the glenbeck program

00:05:15.500 i did a podcast with lewis house um he does the number one podcast the school of greatness

00:05:26.040 fascinating fascinating uh conversation with this guy really open and honest i really really like him

00:05:32.980 but uh towards the end he asked me what it what is greatness what makes greatness and to me it is

00:05:41.160 courage and i want i want to play just a little bit of it this podcast just came out uh lewis house

00:05:46.600 uh and school of greatness here's how i answered that question my son was probably 10 he was taking

00:05:53.540 karate taekwondo he corrects me and uh he didn't realize that when he was going to get his first belt

00:06:01.720 that there were going to be parents there there were going to be crowd here's my son who's grown

00:06:06.500 up around me he's terrified of crowds okay probably for a good reason yeah he's terrified of crowds at

00:06:14.540 this time and uh we start walking in and he sees people he's like i i'm not doing this dad i can't do

00:06:20.100 this i can't do this it was the first time i saw my son like that and um i said son it's no big deal

00:06:26.480 it's no big deal it's just parents he's like i can't do this i said okay let's get in the car

00:06:31.000 so we get in the car we're driving back and i'm thinking how am i going to teach him

00:06:35.140 he said are you mad i said no i'm not i'm not i'm just trying to figure out how i can help you

00:06:45.100 get back to the house i take him into my office and in my office i have you have to come to my

00:06:51.420 house sometimes all over my walls in the office it's kind of uh it's layered the the pictures and

00:06:58.560 the things are all just layered on top of each other okay and they're all people from history

00:07:06.740 and moments and you know anywhere from one of the guys who uh was the guy in vietnam that was in the

00:07:15.560 hanoi hilton who blinked his eyes to say i've got the stuff he wrote all framed in there

00:07:21.100 next to winston churchill next to gandhi and rosa parks and all of them and i sat there and i'm

00:07:28.420 trying to think what do i say to my son and i look up at all these people and i said

00:07:32.400 why do i have all of these pictures and all of these items from history on my walls in my office

00:07:44.700 and he said because they're all heroes and i said yeah they are but that's not why i have them

00:07:51.780 and he said because they weren't afraid and i said oh son and i started with wallenberg raul wallenberg

00:08:05.660 who is one of the greatest heroes in history and i said i'm guessing he was terrified

00:08:14.580 i'm guessing and i know enough because i've read his own words i know that winston churchill was

00:08:22.180 terrified i know that george washington was terrified i know the guy who was having his arms

00:08:28.480 pulled out of his sockets in a vietnamese prison camp was terrified but they did it they did it

00:08:37.380 that's a great man that's

00:08:41.880 exercise exercise and become great little steps of courage will make you a great man or a great woman

00:08:58.480 this is the best of the glenn beck program

00:09:02.260 hi it's glenn if you're a subscriber to the podcast can you do us a favor and rate us on itunes

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00:10:14.660 you sign up at home title lock dot com so a few weeks ago i started reading a book called springtime

00:10:20.500 for snowflakes and i stopped about halfway through because i really really liked it but i wanted to

00:10:26.240 make sure i knew who this author really was uh because if you look at his resume how's it look pat

00:10:33.260 it looks like he's uh an atheist perhaps uh extremely liberal communist communist yeah not extremely

00:10:44.040 liberal communist yeah uh he was professor at nyu uh another sign of communism i mean it's a it's it's

00:10:52.600 it's quite amazing um he described himself in the past as a libertarian communist which i asked him

00:10:59.300 about in the podcast but i want to show you the results of this podcast came out last saturday and

00:11:05.140 i've been seeing a ton of these letters have come in glenn while listening to saturday's podcast i

00:11:12.500 wept i knew what your guest said was happening but i didn't know how to put it into words and who to

00:11:18.500 tell i didn't know what to do i was too busy working three jobs raising my daughters going through a

00:11:24.540 divorce to research it all let alone and i just let it control my life this podcast all capital letters

00:11:31.360 must be heard by everyone in the united states please don't downplay it or mention it only in

00:11:37.400 passing this is important it must be heard i couldn't agree more i listened to it twice myself

00:11:44.460 this weekend because i learned so much michael reckenwald is uh with us now michael how are you sir

00:11:51.480 i'm doing very good glenn how are you doing i'm great um i really enjoyed meeting you and uh and

00:11:58.920 talking to you tell me tell me quickly for those who don't know your journey tell quickly that story

00:12:05.180 okay yes you know as you said when i was a left or libertarian communist published widely in

00:12:13.080 communist circles read very widely looked up to as a kind of an example for you know what marxism or

00:12:20.260 communism could be and then i came out against the social justice movement back in 2016 in october and

00:12:28.880 i was roundly attacked by thousands of people on the internet and hundreds of people inside of my

00:12:36.180 university put on paid leave quickly uh damned by a group calling themselves the diversity equity and

00:12:43.240 inclusion group and uh the scales just fell from my eyes glenn basically what happened i started seeing

00:12:50.040 the left for what it really is and it's uh you just scratch the veneer the thin veneer of

00:12:55.600 egalitarianism and so forth you what you come up with is a totalitarian left you told me in the

00:13:01.820 podcast and i'm i'm paraphrasing here so let me get your real you know your words but you told me that

00:13:08.140 at one point when you saw what was being done you know libertarian communism is more of a theory that

00:13:14.280 it was like next time we'll do it right um that's right and uh and you realized at one point

00:13:20.620 these people will will kill people we're what we're doing is we're we're going to do it wrong

00:13:26.360 again and these people it'll end up in in gulags and mass slaughter that's right i mean i saw you

00:13:35.200 know firsthand what communists say to each other and joking and passing and they relish the idea glenn

00:13:40.860 they relish the idea of putting a gun to somebody's head that they don't agree with they talk about it in

00:13:46.680 joking all the time and i was actually threatened with the same if i had my way quote unquote i would

00:13:52.620 put a gun to your head uh and things like that so the minute i crossed these people i saw what they 0.89

00:14:00.020 were made of and it scared the living damn living hell out of me glenn i mean it was very terrifying 0.98

00:14:05.720 and uh just turned my eyes and uh turned me around entirely tell me about the thing that i laughed at

00:14:12.760 and you said was the beginning of this journey um the the you know genders that you had to be called 0.98

00:14:20.380 and you posted yeah you posted on your twitter without comment and this is what started the ball

00:14:26.840 rolling yes uh you know back in september of 2016 which i call the debuting of uh social justice

00:14:35.120 ideology in the university uh for a number of reasons a student at the university of michigan when asked

00:14:41.800 what his pronoun choice would be and given the option to post it inside of his profile in the wolverine

00:14:49.680 system there chose quote unquote his majesty and i thought it was hilarious the send up of the

00:14:56.400 craziness and the attempt of these institutions to keep pace with the pronoun and proliferation as i call

00:15:02.980 it pronoun and gender proliferation and so i posted the article without a comment to facebook

00:15:10.420 and i went on to teach a couple classes back to back and by the time i got done with those classes

00:15:16.500 there were thousands and thousands of subthreads started condemning me uh calling me a transphobe

00:15:24.920 and uh accusing me of having committed discursive violence and being a traitor and so on and so forth

00:15:32.440 and discursive violence makes me laugh every time i'm sorry about that i know you have a cold yeah

00:15:39.040 uh discursive violence which is a crazy term but i you know it's probably too much to get into now but

00:15:45.120 uh and uh hundreds of uh direct messages from former friends uh telling me that i better recant or else and

00:15:54.060 so forth and i refused i said this is completely out of hand we're we're talking about a piece of

00:16:00.360 that this is a group of totalitarians dictating everything i can say and do and i just would

00:16:06.140 have nothing further to do with it i started that twitter handle anti-tc-nyu prof that very night and

00:16:13.120 started tweeting so michael your life has completely changed um you have you know all of your friends who

00:16:22.480 you thought were friends are no longer your friends what do you do for a living now i'm still an nyu

00:16:29.500 professor as a matter of fact instead of getting fired i think because i stood my ground and i

00:16:35.280 didn't back down and i didn't apologize because i've done nothing wrong i was actually promoted

00:16:40.080 two full ranks wow yes from assistant to full professor now my career here is probably limited

00:16:48.800 i'm at nyu and i have four years left on a five-year contract and i see no way of it getting renewed

00:16:54.020 because the same people that would be uh sitting on a committee to renew me are the people that shun

00:17:00.740 me 100 percent now i mean these are people that go ahead yeah these are people that won't get on an

00:17:07.120 elevator with me how are you how how are you um being viewed by the students because you were very

00:17:15.040 popular i'm still very popular with students and one of the main reasons is is they can tell and they

00:17:21.400 know that i'm not there to indoctrinate them into some left-wing ideology which is so prevalent it's

00:17:27.460 unspeakable i mean it's just the way things are uh everybody for the most part in the humanities and

00:17:33.720 social sciences is subtly but ever so uh clearly indoctrinating students to become leftists of some

00:17:40.040 stripe or another feminist marxist you name it but uh for me i don't do it and the students love me

00:17:46.680 michael this is pat gray um what what do you recommend to uh parents who are considering

00:17:53.300 sending their kids out to universities like nyu and ivy league schools he addresses this in the

00:17:59.360 podcast wait wait for the answer this is great i'd say i'd say i would start thinking about this at

00:18:05.740 kindergarten actually uh don't wait until they're ready to go to university the indoctrination is

00:18:10.620 happening at k through 12 uh and this may even be taking place at pre-k for all we know because

00:18:17.960 there are cases in which students in kindergarten are being uh being uh set up for transitioning to

00:18:27.180 another gender and there are parties for these transitions going on in kindergarten there was a

00:18:32.620 case of this in august in california where a student came home and told their mother or father that

00:18:38.200 they had uh one of their friends had a transition party which is a party to celebrate the transitioning

00:18:44.180 from one gender to another i have nothing against trans people but what i'm trying to say here is that

00:18:49.440 transgenderism is an ideology that's being foisted on us it's being actively promoted and it's starting 1.00

00:18:56.500 at the very youngest ages and so you know uh university level is far too late we have to start at

00:19:02.800 pre-k probably so michael you're a guy who you believed in marxism um communism but you it was the

00:19:12.220 the heart part that you connected to is that right is that right yes i mean i was uh you know i had ideals

00:19:20.860 about you know helping the downtrodden and helping those who have less and you know ameliorating the

00:19:27.680 suffering of of millions of people and i thought this was the best way to go about it because it

00:19:33.020 would equalize you know access to resources and so forth but i realized that as a matter of fact it

00:19:39.480 never does and any attempt to promote a sort of de facto equality ends in horror every single time as

00:19:48.120 we've seen historically and for some reason i couldn't see this when i was under this ideology i

00:19:53.660 couldn't see it and it took this turn you know and these scales falling off my eyes for me to be able

00:20:01.040 to see what was so evident to other people uh you know particularly on the other side and uh

00:20:07.000 and once i saw it i started to research it and i got into the history of communism and i read the

00:20:12.980 black book of communism and it makes it very clear that 94 million people have been killed

00:20:18.380 in communist regimes people have been killed by every single communist leader that's ever existed

00:20:25.320 so i mean i just don't know how i can explain how you know you get indoctrinated through the

00:20:31.560 university system and how difficult it is to break that indoctrination but i did break it it was broken

00:20:37.440 for me i should say and uh everything has changed michael um the name of the book springtime for

00:20:44.320 snowflakes obviously a tip of the hat to mel brooks why'd you choose that name it just came to me one

00:20:51.740 day glenn i don't know really when or how but all of a sudden it came it just popped into my mind and

00:20:56.580 i said well springtime for snowflakes and uh it just it just occurred to me i have no idea when how or

00:21:04.480 you know this took place but it did it just jumped into my mind springtime for snowflakes

00:21:08.640 uh and i told other people and they said that's a great title that is a great time people some people

00:21:14.820 tried to dissuade me from using it saying it was insulting our students but i don't think so

00:21:18.680 i'm not really i'm not really insulting students here i'm talking about the indoctrinators not the

00:21:23.520 students as such michael the um uh the um transition that you as you have made pat just said what was the

00:21:33.720 book that you just did brought up off air that he wrote uh something about atheists or agnostics

00:21:41.740 19th century british secularism yes that's yes so you were you were a guy that was agnostic or atheist

00:21:50.400 agnostic what happened i would never well i i know i would first of all just about agnosticism it just

00:21:57.860 means i don't know and i would never have uh been so conceited and so uh you know arrogant as to

00:22:04.000 suggest there's no god without you know proof because i mean you have to be god to say there's

00:22:09.080 no god i mean really that's what it comes down to yeah and therefore they're therefore the you know

00:22:14.160 it's impossible so i was always agnostic um i was a kind of an agnostic who prayed though uh i didn't

00:22:21.640 know more yet but i still prayed and uh you know that entirely changed i have uh with this whole

00:22:30.200 you know uh say this whole conversion i really to put it in there's no better term for it i've really

00:22:37.220 come to see that that you know i'm not i'm not an agnostic who prays i'm a believer who prays at this

00:22:42.800 point and i think that'll continue to grow uh hang on just a second longer because i'd like to turn our

00:22:49.360 conversations michael to what people do we just had a call from somebody who said i can't talk to

00:22:55.360 any of my friends i can't talk to my my family even about this this kavanaugh thing because they just

00:23:01.340 they're just angry and they just yell and we talked a little bit about this the principles and addicted

00:23:06.200 to outrage and i'd like to hear your your view of um of what we talked about on how to approach

00:23:14.960 people and who to approach to be able to uh start to have a better dialogue there's two books

00:23:21.980 that i want to uh assign if i may one is michael rechtenwald springtime for snowflakes

00:23:28.920 it is an in-depth look at exactly what we're talking about the the first step into understanding

00:23:36.920 how this is all connected is addicted to outrage my new book that came out by both of them online now

00:23:43.560 um wherever books are sold and uh i promise you you will not be disappointed and you will understand

00:23:49.340 the world uh that you're dealing with a little better and you it will change your course of action

00:23:55.360 michael welcome back to the program thanks glenn okay so let's talk about how do we deal with

00:24:03.900 how do we deal with people that um are are not seeing this and i think there's two groups

00:24:11.040 one the people who know exactly what it is and they're knowingly engaging in post-modernism

00:24:18.660 and as you say which has now become social justice uh and then there's those who just are kind of going

00:24:25.200 along and don't really understand yes i mean i think that you put a you put it in a football terms uh

00:24:32.680 using a football metaphor we're standing let's say at the 50 yard line and we're looking at

00:24:37.780 people along a spectrum left and right and we see that you know all the way down at the three yard

00:24:43.660 line is standing you know on the left side is antifa and we certainly aren't going to be approaching

00:24:47.780 them you know and on the far right there might be some unsavory characters like the alt-right that we

00:24:53.160 certainly won't be trying to include in our quorum but we need to try to build some consensus here

00:24:58.880 by uh addressing these issues straightforwardly and also to try to educate ourselves and inoculate

00:25:05.960 ourselves against this post-modern uh virus i'd say it's really what it is it's a virus that has

00:25:12.600 transmuted into social justice that is affecting all of us it's it's infiltrated almost every

00:25:18.960 institution from facebook to twitter to google to youtube to you know most corp most of corporate

00:25:26.460 america and most of the mainstream media uh and a lot of other areas so we're talking about a very

00:25:33.260 virulent strain of post-modernism that is really broadly infecting the entire population so how do

00:25:40.660 we deal with it we have to first recognize it we have to find out where it's coming from and what

00:25:45.300 their principles are then we can rationally oppose them we have to do that with rational thinking

00:25:50.760 but also with faith knowing that we're right because this is not uh this is not a happy

00:25:55.380 circumstance we're talking about they want to destabilize the family they want to destabilize

00:26:00.420 all the ontologies of society that is all the structures that keep us intact that keep some

00:26:06.900 adherence some adhesion some sort of you know order uh instead of utter chaos so this is really what

00:26:12.880 we're up against i think we need to start talking about it we need to educate ourselves we need to

00:26:17.260 inoculate ourselves we need to also take very close attention to what's happening to our children

00:26:22.760 and our grandchildren in school you know watch out for the language look at the books look at our two

00:26:28.660 books and see the kind of terminology that these students are going to be coming home with do you

00:26:33.340 agree with go ahead michael no yeah that's fine pay close attention to the to their to their utterances

00:26:39.640 do do do you agree with my thesis that if we don't understand what we're fighting against

00:26:45.200 and we fight it with outrage and anger that we're actually only making the problem worse

00:26:50.320 absolutely we're just fanning the flames uh that's all we're actually throwing uh alcohol or we're

00:26:56.540 throwing gasoline on the flames really is what we're doing it's just fanning the flames and building the

00:27:02.680 other side's outrage as well so we just have two outrage groups and it's just a matter of who who is

00:27:08.280 who's you know going to carry the day but that's not the way to go about it at all

00:27:12.120 we'd fan the flames by feeding into it it's kind of like a reciprocal process by which one

00:27:17.940 side's outrage feeds the others uh it's it's a kind of back and forth you know sort of a dialectic as

00:27:23.920 i would put it between these two groups and uh that's not what we want to do we we want to understand

00:27:29.820 and articulate we need to ask questions of the other side those who are rational enough to actually

00:27:35.300 listen to us we need to sort of defuse the situation first and foremost and how do we deal

00:27:41.520 with being shouted down all the time being called racist being called homophobes transphobes all of

00:27:48.680 the things that we have to deal with being called when we when we try to uh educate people on what's

00:27:54.480 going on try to answer that in 30 seconds michael yeah that's a tough one and we really need to keep

00:27:59.380 talking we need to point out that this this left this illiberal left is what i call them they are

00:28:04.860 shutting down our you know they're shutting down speech but they're also shutting down thought

00:28:09.880 they're shutting down different perspectives and they're making it impossible for people from

00:28:13.920 other perspectives to voice anything but then their ideas however outlandish they are succeed

00:28:19.320 regardless michael need to stop that michael thank you so much

00:28:23.080 the best of the glenbeck program

00:28:30.140 are excited to have mona sharon syndicated columnist and senior fellow at the ethics and

00:28:48.300 public policy center joining us uh mona welcome to the glenbeck program

00:28:51.960 thanks so glad to be here um you just just to refresh people's uh memory you were uh the person

00:29:02.880 who kind of challenged everybody at the cpac meeting was it was that just this year just this

00:29:09.720 last cpac wasn't it yeah that's right um it's really easy to go into a scene like that and say

00:29:17.080 everything they want to hear we love trump this is great the republicans are fun and

00:29:21.940 and fantastic and doing a wonderful job you went a different direction and told them they were

00:29:28.920 they were hypocrites in part among other things uh and they didn't seem to appreciate that did they

00:29:35.140 uh what kind of feedback did you get after during and after cpac right so um look it's always easy um 0.69

00:29:42.820 as we're now seeing in the kavanaugh uh situation um to tell your own side exactly what it wants to

00:29:50.120 hear and um and so i i chose that moment to say look you know we we can't be hypocrites about these

00:29:58.600 these issues of you know respecting women and um and so forth and so i was you know at that it was at

00:30:05.820 that moment that um the roy moore controversy was at its uh full boil and i mentioned that the

00:30:12.900 republican party had endorsed roy moore following the president's lead had endorsed roy moore here

00:30:18.060 was a credibly accused teenager uh a man who dated teenagers and arguably um molested young teenagers

00:30:26.040 when he was in his 30s that's just not acceptable and people on our side chose not to believe it or

00:30:32.280 chose to overlook it or chose to just you know just bat it away but you can't do that it was was what i

00:30:38.200 was saying and and i was also critical of other aspects of um of our side but um but you know it's

00:30:45.300 just so rare in america today for anybody um uh to be able to say i'm i have an open mind about

00:30:53.180 accusations against somebody and i will wait for the evidence i mean this week has just been such a

00:30:59.440 nervous breakdown what the left has done um regarding kavanaugh is just assume that he's

00:31:06.500 guilty based on allegations alone without evidence i mean without more evidence let's put it that way

00:31:13.540 yeah and they seem to be rationalizing it in that uh this is not a criminal trial so there's no

00:31:19.900 presumption of innocence well that i i don't i don't buy into that because you can't just

00:31:26.040 change every rule because it's not a a criminal hearing no in fact um you know let's bear in mind

00:31:34.220 that um what we're saying then if you say well you know it's not a criminal trial it's just a job

00:31:40.580 interview and therefore you know you can you can engage in full for character assassination and pay

00:31:47.680 no price for it is that the kind of society we want to live in where a mere accusation unsupported by

00:31:55.020 convincing evidence will be enough to completely destroy a person's reputation i mean you know

00:32:01.800 people used to fight duels over their reputations reputation is still an incredibly important

00:32:08.400 uh thing i mean imagine if you've spent a lifetime um you know trying to live an upright life and people

00:32:16.560 regard you with respect and in the kavanaugh's case you're a federal judge and suddenly the whole

00:32:21.800 world thinks of you as a as a would-be rapist yeah it's just you know it will destroy his life

00:32:28.880 it's despicable and uh the sad fact of this uh me too hysteria and nobody wants women to be abused

00:32:39.300 or harassed or mistreated in any way but on the other hand you can't just start destroying everybody

00:32:47.320 in their career uh just on an allegation right and we're in a dangerous territory here correct and

00:32:55.520 you know what first of all so what a lot of the um feminists and the democrats are are saying is 1.00

00:33:02.620 we have to believe women because in the past women were not believed well it's a little more complicated

00:33:09.400 than that i mean yes it is true that um that in the past uh sometimes women um perhaps were um not

00:33:17.580 believed but we first of all um we do know that false accusations of rape have been made by women

00:33:26.780 women do sometimes lie about rape and with terrible consequences right i mean if you remember uh the 0.90

00:33:33.520 tawana brawley episode a few years back which brought reverend al sharpton to fame what did he

00:33:38.560 do he presented this teenage girl who claimed that she had been raped and and abused by four new york

00:33:44.040 city cops and um that turned out not to be true um there have been many many cases where women have 1.00

00:33:51.820 alleged things that haven't been true the uh the the other instance that comes to mind more recently was

00:33:58.620 um a rape on campus the rolling stone story uh in which a student alleged that she had been gang

00:34:05.460 raped at a at a fraternity in um at the university of virginia and you know everybody's stereotypes were

00:34:11.840 rolled out they said oh these frat boys you know that's just the kind of thing one would expect from 0.85

00:34:16.900 them the same sort of thing happened at duke where an exotic dancer or stripper or whatever 1.00

00:34:22.400 claimed that the lacrosse team had had raped her so so it's not unheard of for women to make false 0.81

00:34:30.140 accusations that's the first thing we have to understand and the consequence of a rape conviction

00:34:35.360 or a sexual assault conviction or or even a belief that somebody committed that crime are so severe

00:34:41.240 that of course we should guard against um you know flimsy uh or unproven accusations because the

00:34:48.960 consequences are so dire for the person who is accused um but the other thing we have to realize

00:34:55.380 as grown-ups is look in most instances of sexual assault it there are only two witnesses it does not

00:35:03.580 happen for the most part um in a public place and um and because of that of course it is hard to parse

00:35:13.300 what really happened it is he said she said and so we do look for other forms of corroboration um

00:35:21.040 and and those include whether the woman sought medical care right away did she tell other people

00:35:27.180 at the time uh you know did anybody uh see them together uh and so on and then also you look for

00:35:34.980 patterns of behavior so in the me too movement which i think broadly supportive of you know i i think that

00:35:42.080 men who abuse women uh should be held to account and they should be shamed and and punished

00:35:48.440 and but what's what's notable in the most um high profile cases that we've seen over the past year

00:35:56.240 or so um is that there are patterns of behavior that these these men when they behave this way toward

00:36:03.220 women it's not just one woman it's a whole bunch of women who come forward and say yes me too 0.99

00:36:08.420 and um and so now this this movement unfortunately which was really i think a beneficial thing for our

00:36:16.800 society is being transported transformed into a partisan cudgel to um to go after um kavanaugh and and these

00:36:27.520 you know these supportive statements are just they don't pass the the uh the minimal standards of

00:36:36.800 evidence of evidentiary um trustworthiness so for example the story that the new yorker ran

00:36:42.860 which i think is a is a disgrace to journalism the woman in question there was remembering something 1.00

00:36:49.780 that happened more than 30 years ago and was saying that she herself the the person making this accusation

00:36:57.240 was so unsure of whether it had been kavanaugh or not that she had to wait six days

00:37:03.800 and consult her memories and consult her lawyer before she could come forward and say to the new yorker

00:37:10.980 yeah i think it was him yeah the last 35 years weren't suspicious weren't sufficient

00:37:16.440 to consult her memories but the the last then the six days were those were those were really helpful

00:37:23.780 so so as we get uh as we're on the just the eve i guess of of the testimony of this woman uh before

00:37:32.560 the senate tomorrow if you had to guess uh what will be the outcome of this do you do you see uh

00:37:39.940 brett kavanaugh being confirmed well first of all um it's still apparently uh up in the air as to

00:37:46.900 whether um the first the whether christine lazy ford will even show up um people are not sure

00:37:53.080 diane feinstein recently said she wasn't sure so i think if if she fails to testify then there's

00:37:59.920 absolutely no question that he'll be swiftly confirmed um but or i shouldn't say no question

00:38:06.620 but very little doubt in my mind um if she does testify and is extremely persuasive then the the balance

00:38:14.280 might shift um it's it's incredibly high stakes um but um but we will see let's by the way for the

00:38:21.840 sake of our listeners let's clarify that this accusation is not the one the new yorker wrote about

00:38:27.480 this is the one that supposedly happened in high school um and um and and she um she too um you know

00:38:36.760 said that she that that uh she did not want to come forward um she made the accusation in an

00:38:44.060 anonymous fashion and then um when her name was outed she said yes she would come forward but when

00:38:51.000 the committee approached her and said fine we will hear your testimony in open session in closed session

00:38:57.300 we can send um a uh a group to california to hear your testimony there she said no to all these things

00:39:04.860 she said she didn't want to fly she said i mean she she seemed to be very squirrely about this

00:39:09.940 i don't know i mean it's um it's it doesn't sound um like she even now is really so sure

00:39:18.320 we're speaking um go ahead no and and therefore um her um her her case you know i i think she should 1.00

00:39:28.140 be heard i think people should make an independent evaluation but um but it does seem odd um the the

00:39:35.280 way she has behaved and of course we can get into this later the democrats have been appalling in 0.84

00:39:40.860 the way they've handled all of this we're speaking with uh uh syndicated columnist mona sharon about

00:39:46.880 the outrage culture um we last hour mona we were talking with uh michael rechnenwald who also has

00:39:54.260 seen his his share of vitriol uh from the left and we were we were talking about how we can come

00:40:02.480 together in this country and kind of heal the wounds and and move forward as a civilization and

00:40:09.840 i i i just we're trying to find our way to getting back to uh some unity because we're so divided in

00:40:18.220 this country and there's probably groups of people at least two groups the antifa people are never

00:40:23.020 going to join hands with us uh and on the other side of the spectrum the alt-right neo-nazis

00:40:28.760 aren't going to join hands with us anyway and we don't want to frankly so how do we find a common

00:40:34.120 ground where we can all come together and is it possible to get there and agree on things like

00:40:39.860 like capitalism like the bill of rights like the u.s constitution is that doable from where we are now

00:40:45.860 well we have to pray i mean one of the things that um that twitter has done i think is um amplify and

00:40:55.280 provide a um uh an echo chamber for all of our worst uh impulses and our most divisive uh voices

00:41:04.200 and um you know people who are on twitter a lot are the ones who think that we're on the verge of a

00:41:09.140 civil war in this country um it is incredibly um you know it's it's it's incredibly uh um poisonous

00:41:17.680 um at the same time you're so right to raise um the question of whether there are any things that

00:41:25.280 that unite us now um glenn thrush of the new york times posted uh recently you know is there any

00:41:31.140 institution or or thing about the united states that that we all agree on and somebody said well maybe

00:41:36.780 the military but there has to be more than that um that as you say the bill of rights um our history of

00:41:44.140 religious tolerance um you know the constitution um the you know love of uh love of liberty love of

00:41:52.220 human rights individual dignity all those things that that we have always prided ourselves on and um

00:41:59.140 look i one of the reasons that i did what i did at cpac um and do and and some of the other things that

00:42:06.780 i do is in an effort to say look i'm willing to criticize my own side please step up on the

00:42:14.000 other side be willing to be critical of your own side because it has to start there and once people

00:42:20.220 then give you credit for a certain amount of fair-mindedness that can be the beginning of

00:42:27.240 a conversation and some of the conversations that i've had with people who are sort of on the center

00:42:32.220 left have been very productive in that sense but i have to say that this week it's been really tough

00:42:38.560 i would love to see and i haven't i would love to see some people on the left saying whoa whoa whoa

00:42:44.520 whoa you know let's not railroad um judge kavanaugh and all men you know and or or men who went to prep

00:42:52.880 school or so on and so forth um and because we feel so passionately about you know abortion let's face

00:42:59.720 it that's those are the stakes that's why this thing has become so rancorous it's because the stakes

00:43:05.340 are roe v wade being overturned and the idea on the left seems to be all means fair or foul all means

00:43:12.960 have to be employed if it means destroying someone's um someone's uh reputation then that's all right

00:43:18.960 and you know some of the people on the left don't even realize that people like us are fair-minded

00:43:25.180 and are and are um are just trying to um to to to evaluate the evidence dispassionately they think

00:43:34.460 how could you possibly believe brett kavanaugh it's just it's really difficult um to bridge that divide

00:43:41.160 yeah we are definitely definitely in a tough uh place right now um so if people want to uh have access

00:43:49.200 to your your books your articles where would you send them so i have a website monacharon.com um they

00:43:57.060 can also uh find me at the um ethics and public policy um site um my work is published in national

00:44:05.080 review online it's uh available lots of other newspapers um recently uh i'm a syndicated columnist

00:44:13.040 and one of my um unfortunately this past uh within the past few weeks one of my um one of pat buchanan's

00:44:20.540 columns was put out under my name so i'm getting a lot of mail oh wow whoa whoa yeah so that was funny

00:44:26.840 but um but yes and people should um should go to amazon.com and uh check out my new book because

00:44:33.020 it's called sex matters and it describes how modern feminism got us into a lot of the difficulties 0.99

00:44:40.940 we're facing with uh sexual behavior and sexuality in general and uh differences between men and women

00:44:47.420 which they were very keen to deny and uh i think that that will um shed some light on where we are

00:44:53.520 it's called sex matters how modern feminism lost touch with science love and common sense sounds great

00:45:00.800 all right mona thank you appreciate it my pleasure the blaze radio network

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