The Glenn Beck Program - October 03, 2018


Best of the Program with Peter Schweizer ｜ 10⧸3⧸18


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Length

44 minutes

Words per minute

152.5355

Word count

6,771

Sentence count

609

Harmful content

Misogyny

7

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Hate speech

9

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Summary

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Glenn Beck goes back to basics and explains the difference between a victim and an accuser in the Brett and Christine Blasey Ford case. He also talks about Donald Trump's comments about the "victim" in the case.

Transcript

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00:00:00.200 The Blaze Radio Network, on demand.
00:00:06.000 Hey, welcome to the podcast.
00:00:07.920 It's, what day is it?
00:00:08.880 Please tell me it's Thursday.
00:00:09.800 Thursday, Thursday, Thursday, Thursday, Thursday.
00:00:11.740 Oh, I hate that answer.
00:00:13.880 It is Wednesday's podcast.
00:00:15.900 There's a lot to talk about.
00:00:17.340 In fact, we're going to go back to basics today.
00:00:21.360 A little vocabulary test.
00:00:22.340 A little vocabulary test, yeah.
00:00:23.860 It's Wednesday time for the vocabulary test.
00:00:25.800 Do you know the difference between a victim and an accuser?
00:00:29.580 They're not the same thing?
00:00:30.700 They're not.
00:00:31.880 Huh.
00:00:32.240 They are not.
00:00:33.020 And the media doesn't understand that.
00:00:35.180 And they don't understand the word mocking and relaying evidence.
00:00:40.300 I'm going to go out and let them say they do understand both of those things.
00:00:43.140 But they're doing it that way anyway.
00:00:44.740 Well, the American people have to have a brush up on that.
00:00:46.980 And so we'll tell you that.
00:00:48.240 And it's really, I think, really important.
00:00:50.400 Also, we're going to throw in social justice.
00:00:54.300 Yeah.
00:00:54.640 Social justice.
00:00:55.820 Something we should learn.
00:00:57.000 Yeah.
00:00:57.300 It doesn't seem like we've learned those lessons yet.
00:00:59.000 Also, Peter Schweitzer's on.
00:01:00.060 He's got a new documentary out.
00:01:02.580 You'll remember him.
00:01:03.160 He did the book Clinton Cash, among many other great ones.
00:01:06.380 But he's got a documentary out about what Google is doing, manipulating search results.
00:01:11.260 And Peter's not a guy who's just, like, making claims.
00:01:13.900 Like, he has backed this up with data.
00:01:15.300 Yeah, he's got a guy from Harvard University, you know, big egghead, that actually is a Clinton supporter and was all for Clinton.
00:01:23.980 He did a lot of this research.
00:01:26.340 And as he was doing the research and speaking out about it, guess who got kicked off of Google?
00:01:32.760 That guy.
00:01:33.700 So, it's something that you really need to pay attention to because there's some really frightening things happening.
00:01:41.500 We'll find out about it in today's podcast.
00:01:43.920 You're listening to The Best of the Glenn Beck Program.
00:01:57.480 It's Wednesday, October 3rd.
00:02:00.100 Glenn Beck.
00:02:01.500 All right, I wanted to start with something.
00:02:05.580 This is very, very complex.
00:02:07.900 I got up this morning and I've been doing a whole bunch of research on the show.
00:02:15.020 The last thing I got to was the Donald Trump thing.
00:02:19.180 I was on our affiliate in Tulsa and I was asked, what about Donald Trump?
00:02:25.600 And I should have just said, I don't know, I haven't seen it yet.
00:02:29.420 But I had read about it and I'm glad I didn't comment on it.
00:02:34.580 All I said was, I'm not going to comment on it because it's just, it's ridiculous to focus everything on Donald Trump.
00:02:44.160 However, it does deserve comment.
00:02:49.020 The media has said, did you hear Donald Trump mocking the victim?
00:02:57.840 I'm going to get into that in a second.
00:02:59.420 No, I hadn't.
00:03:03.600 But in case you have only read about it or you've only seen the headlines, I would like to play the audio.
00:03:11.920 Here is Donald Trump, according to the press, mocking the victim.
00:03:16.920 Listen.
00:03:17.120 I had one beer.
00:03:19.000 Well, do you think it was, nope, it was one beer.
00:03:21.760 Oh, good.
00:03:22.540 How did you get home?
00:03:23.480 I don't remember.
00:03:24.280 How'd you get there?
00:03:24.980 I don't remember.
00:03:25.720 Where is the place?
00:03:26.440 I don't remember.
00:03:27.420 How many years ago was it?
00:03:28.620 I don't know.
00:03:29.800 I don't know.
00:03:32.220 I don't know.
00:03:34.620 I don't know.
00:03:37.000 What neighborhood was it in?
00:03:38.520 I don't know.
00:03:39.000 Where's the house?
00:03:39.780 I don't know.
00:03:40.120 Upstairs, downstairs, where was it?
00:03:43.540 I don't know.
00:03:43.920 But I had one beer.
00:03:44.900 That's the only thing I remember.
00:03:45.980 All right.
00:03:46.560 So this is Donald Trump mocking?
00:03:49.500 No.
00:03:49.900 This is Donald Trump stating the facts in the Kavanaugh case.
00:03:56.660 Period.
00:03:57.520 Facts that MSNBC and everybody else don't seem to care.
00:04:02.380 Well, they've moved on.
00:04:04.080 I don't know if you've known this.
00:04:05.320 They've moved on now to other things.
00:04:08.300 The lies.
00:04:09.000 The lies that he told.
00:04:11.020 Okay.
00:04:11.400 Well, let's talk about lies, shall we?
00:04:14.140 This is a letter to Grassley's office.
00:04:17.840 The names have been taken out.
00:04:20.460 I, so-and-so, am a current resident of California.
00:04:22.940 I first met Christine Blasey, now Christine Blasey Ford, in 1989, 1990 in California.
00:04:30.100 From 90 to 91, I was just friends with Ford.
00:04:33.560 From approximately 92 to 98, I was in a relationship.
00:04:37.600 So, from 1989 to 1998, nine years, this person knew and was very, very close to her.
00:04:48.400 I found her truthful and maintained no animus toward her.
00:04:53.760 During our time dating, Dr. Ford never brought up anything regarding her experience as a victim of sexual assault, harassment, or misconduct.
00:05:02.100 She never mentioned Brett Kavanaugh.
00:05:04.440 During some of the time we were dating, Dr. Ford lived with Monica I. McClain, who I understood to be her lifelong best friend.
00:05:15.700 During that time, it was my understanding that McClain was interviewing for jobs with the FBI and the U.S. Attorney's Office.
00:05:23.620 I witnessed Dr. Ford help McClain prepare for a potential polygraph exam.
00:05:30.300 Dr. Ford explained in detail what to expect, how polygraphs work, and helped McClain become familiar and less nervous about the exam.
00:05:43.340 Dr. Ford was able to help because of her background in psychology.
00:05:48.940 Now, this is interesting because I do remember, while she was under oath, a very strange line of questioning that went a little something like this.
00:06:00.300 Have you ever had discussions with anyone, besides your attorneys, on how to take a polygraph?
00:06:11.280 Never.
00:06:11.980 Never.
00:06:12.260 And I don't just mean countermeasures, but I mean just any sort of tips or anything like that.
00:06:20.940 No, I was scared of the test itself.
00:06:24.940 She was scared of the test.
00:06:25.980 But it was comfortable that I could tell the information and the test would reveal whatever it was going to reveal.
00:06:33.940 Okay.
00:06:34.460 I didn't expect it to be as long as it was going to be, so it was a little bit stressful.
00:06:37.760 It was stressful.
00:06:38.400 Have you ever given tips or advice to somebody who was looking to take a polygraph test?
00:06:44.440 Never.
00:06:45.280 Never.
00:06:46.380 Maybe the FBI.
00:06:47.620 I demand an FBI investigation on Monica L. McClain, who is a lifetime friend of Dr. Ford.
00:06:58.320 Because there is, now I want to use this word carefully, an accuser, we have to define that here in a second.
00:07:07.140 An accuser saying that Dr. Ford and Monica McClain, Monica was interviewing for jobs with the FBI in the U.S. Attorney's Office.
00:07:19.740 I witnessed Dr. Ford help McClain prepare for a potential polygraph exam.
00:07:26.600 Dr. Ford explained in detail what to expect, how polygraphs work, and helped McClain become familiar and less nervous about the exam.
00:07:37.400 Let me play this audio again of what she said under oath.
00:07:42.220 Have you ever had discussions with anyone besides your attorneys on how to take a polygraph?
00:07:53.000 Never.
00:07:53.620 Never.
00:07:54.020 And I don't just mean countermeasures, but I mean just any sort of tips or anything like that.
00:08:02.640 No.
00:08:03.260 I was scared of the test itself.
00:08:05.820 She was scared.
00:08:06.600 But it was comfortable that I could tell the information and the test would reveal whatever it was going to reveal.
00:08:15.920 All right.
00:08:16.200 I didn't expect it to be as long as it was going to be, so it was a little bit stressful.
00:08:19.960 Okay.
00:08:20.380 Have you ever given tips or advice to somebody who was looking to take a polygraph test?
00:08:25.500 Anyone.
00:08:26.060 Never.
00:08:26.640 Never.
00:08:27.120 Never.
00:08:27.220 Never.
00:08:28.220 Well, we know somebody's lying here.
00:08:32.540 We know.
00:08:33.800 We know someone is lying.
00:08:37.180 Right?
00:08:37.800 Don't we, Stu?
00:08:38.720 Because we have somebody.
00:08:40.780 We have somebody who has accused her of teaching someone else about a polygraph.
00:08:48.700 Well, she's innocent until proven accused.
00:08:51.800 I think that's important that we keep that standard.
00:08:53.520 She is accused.
00:08:53.920 Now that she's proved accused.
00:08:55.540 She is accused.
00:08:56.320 She's guilty.
00:08:57.020 So if we're going to use the same standard that the left is applying, she is a liar. 0.91
00:09:03.680 She has perjured herself.
00:09:06.440 Certainly shouldn't be a professor anymore.
00:09:08.420 She should not be a professor.
00:09:09.860 Can she even be allowed to work at a fast food restaurant? 1.00
00:09:12.200 I don't think so.
00:09:12.740 How can you, how can you possibly believe a liar on anything she says?
00:09:19.880 You want this standard?
00:09:21.760 Because this is the standard that's coming.
00:09:24.540 This is the standard that we're now running to embrace.
00:09:28.840 This is the standard that our children, this is the standard that we ran from.
00:09:35.380 This is why we're America.
00:09:37.700 America, because in every other country, this was a new idea.
00:09:42.340 You cannot come into my house and just take me.
00:09:45.720 You can't just throw me in jail.
00:09:48.320 You have to have an accuser.
00:09:51.140 I have to know what the charges are.
00:09:53.920 I have a right to defend myself.
00:09:56.860 I have a right to know who my accuser is and address my accuser.
00:10:02.900 I have a right to be presumed innocent until proven guilty.
00:10:10.180 This is what America was founded on.
00:10:13.940 This is a uniquely American idea.
00:10:18.640 This was the genius of our founders.
00:10:22.300 You want to flush it away?
00:10:25.080 Go ahead.
00:10:26.440 But I will not be part of it.
00:10:31.960 This is the American idea.
00:10:35.520 Now listen, it is so imperative that you understand what this is.
00:10:47.880 If you do not understand what you're fighting, do you think we could have won World War II without naming the Nazis? 0.65
00:10:57.020 Do you think we will ever win this war on terror without naming what it is about?
00:11:06.740 What is driving people to the terror?
00:11:10.460 The Islamist ideas. 0.90
00:11:13.360 Not Muslim ideas. 1.00
00:11:15.380 Islamist ideas.
00:11:16.580 That Sharia law is the prevailing law, and if you're not under Sharia law, you're an infidel, which means I can kill you, I can rape you, I can turn you into a slave. 1.00
00:11:29.640 That is what the war on terror is all about.
00:11:34.720 And we will never win it unless we name our enemy.
00:11:39.680 We would have never won World War II if we were fighting the Germans. 0.82
00:11:47.540 We were not fighting the Germans. 0.73
00:11:50.440 We were fighting the Nazis.
00:11:55.060 We would not have won in the Civil War had we been fighting the South.
00:12:03.600 We were fighting people who didn't believe in the Constitution.
00:12:09.840 We were fighting for the freedom of all men.
00:12:14.740 That's why we won.
00:12:16.840 And by the way, if you don't think that's true, we lost every single battle up until the point that Abraham Lincoln said,
00:12:27.580 this is about slavery.
00:12:30.240 Look it up.
00:12:31.300 We wouldn't have won the American Revolution if it wasn't against tyranny.
00:12:39.320 It wasn't against the king.
00:12:41.080 It was against tyranny.
00:12:42.860 And it was for certain ideas, like the idea that you are innocent until proven guilty.
00:12:53.860 We are fighting post-modernism.
00:12:56.940 And until the American people understand what post-modernism is, you will lose.
00:13:05.040 You will lose every battle because you will only grow frustrated and angry, which will play directly into what they want to happen.
00:13:18.220 They want us at each other's throats.
00:13:20.880 They want us to be irrational.
00:13:23.160 They want us to be angry.
00:13:24.640 They want us just to start swinging in blind rage.
00:13:30.260 That's their plan.
00:13:31.980 And until you understand what they're doing, until you understand that this isn't really about Ford, this isn't about the charges.
00:13:44.260 This isn't about anything.
00:13:47.260 This is all about the patriarchy.
00:13:50.880 This is all about white men have put together, in this case, a rape culture. 0.75
00:13:57.780 And they have kept people down.
00:14:00.360 And it doesn't matter if he really did it, because other white men have.
00:14:05.180 It doesn't matter if she was really a victim, because other women have been victims. 1.00
00:14:12.620 This is about collective justice, currently entitled social justice.
00:14:20.280 But make no mistake, this is collective justice.
00:14:25.300 And collective justice, to put it into the terms that a Christian will understand, is anti-Christ. 0.92
00:14:38.900 Collective salvation is anti-Christ.
00:14:43.840 Collective justice is anti-Christ.
00:14:48.860 Individual salvation, individual justice.
00:14:55.300 That is Christian.
00:14:59.720 You cannot balance the scales by convicting someone who is not guilty, because someone who looked like them has done it anyway. 0.99
00:15:15.900 I don't think America understands.
00:15:20.340 And I think you feel it.
00:15:22.580 I think you feel it.
00:15:23.560 I don't know if your neighbors do, but I think you feel it.
00:15:26.180 We are extraordinarily close to the edge of the abyss.
00:15:34.060 And I am doing what I promised I would do.
00:15:37.180 I promised when it came to that time, and I asked you to do the same, I would stand and say, don't go there.
00:15:51.120 Stop where you are.
00:15:53.860 Turn around.
00:15:55.880 I know that's where the crowd is going.
00:15:58.540 Turn around.
00:15:59.800 Stop.
00:16:00.400 Safety is this direction.
00:16:03.020 Safety is this direction.
00:16:06.320 I have not known how to explain it to you.
00:16:11.920 It has only been my gut.
00:16:13.300 But I know what it is.
00:16:18.220 And I've been explaining it on TV, and I've explained it on radio on Thursday.
00:16:22.800 We're going to go into it on depth.
00:16:24.640 That's tomorrow.
00:16:26.680 It is in the book.
00:16:28.280 Read it at the library.
00:16:29.440 I don't care if you buy it.
00:16:31.640 Read it at the library.
00:16:32.840 It is not a surrender.
00:16:35.880 It is a desperate plea.
00:16:38.340 Please understand what's happening to us.
00:16:42.200 There is a way to win.
00:16:47.140 But we started this hour with Donald Trump.
00:16:50.020 You'll notice they say he mocked.
00:16:52.060 He didn't mock.
00:16:53.160 He stated facts.
00:16:55.420 People are not going to want to hear the facts.
00:16:58.440 That's okay.
00:16:59.840 State them.
00:17:01.080 State the facts.
00:17:02.160 Calmly, rationally, and relentlessly.
00:17:07.440 The only thing that matters is reason and facts.
00:17:16.800 This is the best of a Glenn Beck program.
00:17:25.860 Let me go to Al in Texas.
00:17:27.460 Hello, Al.
00:17:29.820 Al, are you there?
00:17:31.780 Yes.
00:17:32.160 Good morning.
00:17:32.700 Can you hear me?
00:17:33.320 Yeah, I can.
00:17:33.840 How are you, sir?
00:17:35.620 Fine.
00:17:36.100 And you?
00:17:36.640 Good.
00:17:37.100 Good.
00:17:37.420 What's up?
00:17:38.760 Listen, Glenn.
00:17:40.180 President Trump did not mock Professor Ford.
00:17:45.560 Yep.
00:17:46.640 You're right.
00:17:46.960 Al, I have to tell you, I have to tell you, Al, I have to tell you, I don't even think he attacked
00:18:08.640 her testimony.
00:18:09.180 He just stated the facts.
00:18:11.460 That's all he did.
00:18:12.660 He stated the facts.
00:18:14.500 Now, that might look like an attack to some, but it ain't.
00:18:17.780 Al, do you want a copy of the book or the audio book?
00:18:21.060 I'm going to make one out while we're talking here.
00:18:22.400 I'm more like hard copy books.
00:18:27.080 Hard copy.
00:18:27.620 Okay, you got it.
00:18:28.960 Is this a new thing now?
00:18:29.920 We're just giving books away to everyone who actually gets on the air?
00:18:33.400 Yeah, if you get on the air.
00:18:34.280 It's rare.
00:18:34.880 It's rare.
00:18:35.440 We don't take a lot of calls.
00:18:36.080 I figure I've penciled in five books for the rest of the year to Al.
00:18:41.840 Make it to you, Al.
00:18:44.080 Yes, please.
00:18:44.860 All right.
00:18:45.180 Hang on.
00:18:45.540 Could you make it up to my worst enemy?
00:18:47.740 Al, hang on.
00:18:48.380 We're going to get you the book.
00:18:49.700 So put them on hold and we'll get his address.
00:18:53.680 He didn't.
00:18:54.160 He did not mock.
00:18:54.980 No, he didn't mock.
00:18:55.720 He didn't mock.
00:18:56.700 All he did.
00:18:57.400 Play the audio real quick as we go into the bottom of the hour.
00:19:00.620 This is Donald Trump yesterday.
00:19:02.460 Mocking or just stating the facts?
00:19:04.300 Do we have time?
00:19:07.480 I had one beer.
00:19:09.380 Well, do you think it was?
00:19:10.700 Nope.
00:19:11.160 It was one beer.
00:19:12.160 Oh, good.
00:19:12.940 How did you get home?
00:19:13.880 I don't remember.
00:19:14.680 How'd you get there?
00:19:15.360 I don't remember.
00:19:16.120 Where is the place?
00:19:16.880 I don't remember.
00:19:17.860 How many years ago was it?
00:19:19.020 I don't know.
00:19:20.420 I don't know.
00:19:21.200 That's true.
00:19:22.080 He's not mocking.
00:19:24.120 He's not mocking.
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00:20:33.340 We are entering a new time and everything's being redesigned right now and people aren't
00:20:38.680 really talking about the issues.
00:20:40.620 People aren't really talking about big fundamental things that are changing.
00:20:43.960 For instance, America was based on life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
00:20:48.800 Nobody's talking about pursuit of happiness right now.
00:20:50.740 Pursuit of happiness is defined by our founders as ownership that you could own.
00:20:55.160 You could forge your own way in life.
00:20:58.700 And ownership is a big part of capitalism and a big part of America.
00:21:04.340 However, ownership is quickly going away.
00:21:07.820 When you buy a book on Kindle, do you own the book?
00:21:11.580 When you buy a movie from iTunes, do you own the movie?
00:21:19.580 The answer is no.
00:21:22.980 The end of ownership.
00:21:25.980 Aaron, and I want to get this right, Perez, say it for me, Aaron.
00:21:30.860 Just ask him.
00:21:31.440 He'll tell us.
00:21:31.660 Yeah, tell me how you say his name.
00:21:33.940 It's Pursunovsky.
00:21:35.380 Pursunovsky.
00:21:35.860 Okay.
00:21:36.320 It was a lot easier than it looks.
00:21:38.520 We can't pronounce easy words, so that was going to be difficult.
00:21:40.540 Yeah, it's got more than one syllable.
00:21:42.920 There's a lot of consonants there.
00:21:44.080 Yeah, I know.
00:21:44.800 How you doing, Aaron?
00:21:46.420 I'm doing well.
00:21:47.180 How are you?
00:21:47.620 Good.
00:21:47.840 I'm really fascinated by how we make the turns in our society for the future, and ownership
00:21:58.060 is a big part of this, because in the future, I don't know how many people will even own
00:22:02.380 cars.
00:22:03.080 I mean, it's just all changing.
00:22:05.680 But do we really own things when we buy them online?
00:22:09.640 So I think there's a real concern here that consumers go into transactions when they're
00:22:17.380 buying things, digital goods, especially digital books, movies, music.
00:22:22.620 They go into those transactions assuming they work the same way as they do in the world of
00:22:27.760 tangible goods, where if you buy a book, you can give it away to a friend, you can lend
00:22:32.720 it to someone, you can leave it in your will in the future and leave your book collection
00:22:38.380 to your loved ones.
00:22:41.300 And the rules that control these digital transactions when you buy something on your Kindle or from
00:22:47.620 iTunes are very different from the rules that we expect in the physical world.
00:22:52.780 And consumers don't really understand that distinction.
00:22:56.880 And I think that causes a real disconnect between what we all expect to happen and what happens
00:23:03.080 in fact.
00:23:03.780 So to give you a quick example, just a couple of weeks ago, a consumer, a customer of the
00:23:14.820 Apple iTunes movie store found that three movies that he had purchased had been deleted from
00:23:22.140 his account.
00:23:23.240 They were no longer accessible.
00:23:25.380 And I think that shocked a lot of people.
00:23:27.000 Um, those of us that have been following these issues closely for years would remember 10
00:23:32.240 years ago when Amazon remotely deleted books off of people's Kindles, including, uh, ironically,
00:23:40.140 George Orwell's 1984.
00:23:42.020 So these, these issues have been happening for a long time, but I think people are, are now
00:23:46.660 starting to really, uh, sit up and take notice of it.
00:23:49.320 Okay.
00:23:49.500 So I remember it because this, it's easier for me to read everything on Kindle.
00:23:54.060 Um, but I, and I have a, a large collection, uh, in my library of, of, of hardcover books.
00:24:01.480 Uh, and I read so much.
00:24:03.600 I read it all on Kindle, but I have recently really been concerned, not just because I don't
00:24:09.540 actually own it and I can't have it in my library and I can't pass it on, but also because
00:24:14.060 you watch things like it happening in China.
00:24:16.340 If you're a giant, if you're in China, I mean, at first they wouldn't sell the book, but
00:24:20.000 if they did sell the book, the government can just deem that that book is, you don't need
00:24:24.420 to burn books.
00:24:25.500 You could just overnight, just take all of that, every copy of that book out of circulation.
00:24:30.640 If it's only digital, that's really disturbing to me.
00:24:36.180 I think it's a real concern.
00:24:38.020 Um, it's a concern, um, from the perspective of censorship, as you've just described it.
00:24:44.060 It's also a real concern, uh, from the perspective of preservation and sort of archiving our cultural
00:24:51.920 history.
00:24:52.900 If these books are, are stored on the centralized servers and only the hands of, you know, the,
00:24:59.920 the, the two or three companies, um, that dominate these markets, then there's a real risk that,
00:25:07.200 um, we aren't going to be able to ensure kind of the widespread distribution of copies.
00:25:14.060 That will allow us to, um, to, to, to archive and preserve, um, these works.
00:25:20.160 And, and Aaron, it, with the movie, it wasn't because they found it objectionable or anything
00:25:25.140 else.
00:25:25.380 It's because that particular provider, they lost the rights to that movie, right?
00:25:31.300 And so they, they had to pull it from people's libraries because their rights had expired.
00:25:37.860 So there are a number of ways that this can happen.
00:25:40.380 This most recent example, I don't know that the facts are totally clear on exactly.
00:25:43.900 What went on.
00:25:45.040 So one way this can happen is that as you described, um, the deal between the digital retailer,
00:25:52.920 Apple or Amazon, and the copyright holder expires, they no longer have the rights to sell that
00:25:58.800 product.
00:25:59.680 It can also happen when a record label or a movie studio decides that they want to put out
00:26:05.680 the new updated, remastered director's cut edition of a movie.
00:26:11.000 And when they do that, they pull the old version to help drive the sale of the new.
00:26:16.940 Um, Oh my gosh.
00:26:17.700 So they almost force you to, I mean, cause they, they, they've always done this where,
00:26:21.900 you know, it's the masterpiece collection and it's, you know, additional footage and,
00:26:25.980 and, uh, you know, fully restored, but you still had the old copy.
00:26:30.600 Now that's right.
00:26:31.600 You can't, you, I mean, even for, I mean, think of this, even just for comparison, you
00:26:36.800 can't, if they change something in a movie, imagine when, remember when George Lucas changed
00:26:40.880 star Wars.
00:26:42.060 Well, I want to see what it was like when it originally came out.
00:26:46.040 You wouldn't be able to do that.
00:26:47.080 Would you?
00:26:47.560 Unless the movie company decided to allow you to do that.
00:26:51.920 That's right.
00:26:52.420 I mean, and the, and the problem in this most recent case in part was that the consumer
00:26:56.200 didn't have a local copy stored on their computer or their device.
00:27:01.440 Um, and, and this is just a practical tip for people.
00:27:04.160 You should always try to store as much as you can locally.
00:27:07.960 Now, these services are often trying to encourage consumers to rely on their own, on the, on the
00:27:16.060 company's own sort of cloud storage solution.
00:27:19.260 And sometimes, um, with the Apple TV, for example, uh, the Apple TV doesn't allow you
00:27:26.020 to permanently download a copy of a movie.
00:27:28.680 You have to access it through their cloud servers.
00:27:32.500 Exactly.
00:27:33.280 Um, sorry.
00:27:34.680 I think that makes a big difference in your relationship.
00:27:37.700 If I downloaded something on Kindle, could I download it to another cloud and still be able
00:27:44.500 to read it on Kindle?
00:27:46.060 Uh, so the, the Kindle allows you to store those files locally on your own device, but
00:27:57.020 because the Kindle is tethered through software and network connections to Amazon, Amazon has
00:28:04.740 the ability as, as they showed 10 years ago, to remove those files from your device.
00:28:10.500 It's unbelievable.
00:28:11.020 Yeah.
00:28:11.260 You talk about, go ahead.
00:28:13.020 Real quick.
00:28:13.800 Apple, Apple has the same sort of control.
00:28:15.820 Well, we saw this several years ago too, in a very different way.
00:28:18.920 I'm sure, um, some of your listeners may remember when they woke up and found a U2 album on their
00:28:24.460 iPhone.
00:28:25.100 Yes.
00:28:26.180 They put it the other way.
00:28:27.280 They forced everybody to have it.
00:28:29.820 Exactly.
00:28:31.280 That's bizarre.
00:28:32.060 You write about this a little bit and it's, it's an interesting change in the way we think
00:28:36.560 about commerce.
00:28:37.380 There is, there is, in the past you had a transaction where you'd go into a store and you'd buy something.
00:28:42.820 With these digital purchases that we're making from iTunes or Amazon, we're actually like
00:28:47.700 entering a ongoing relationship with them.
00:28:50.900 You, it's a, it's sort of an open-ended thing where they're constantly knowing what you do
00:28:56.040 with that product.
00:28:56.800 And you have that ongoing relationship where they can cancel that at any time without your
00:29:02.380 knowledge.
00:29:02.760 Can you talk a bit, a little bit about the change there?
00:29:05.140 Cause that is a, that's a real change.
00:29:06.400 I don't think people have considered.
00:29:08.060 Aaron, you're right.
00:29:08.540 Uh, that the switch to the digital platform offers convenience, but also makes consumer
00:29:12.500 access more contingent.
00:29:13.840 Unlike a purchase at a broke bookstore, a digital media transaction is continuous linking buyer
00:29:18.440 and seller and giving the seller a post-transaction power impossible in physical markets.
00:29:23.260 Why is that important?
00:29:25.040 So I think this is important for a number of reasons.
00:29:29.620 It leads to these scenarios that we were talking about earlier, where the seller of the good
00:29:35.380 has the ability not only to sort of reclaim, uh, or recall the good, but they also have some
00:29:43.040 ability to control how and when, and under what circumstances you make use of that product
00:29:49.240 after the sale.
00:29:50.180 So that's just not something that you could do in the tangible world, right?
00:29:55.040 Your, your local bookstore, put aside the publisher, your local bookstore can't tell you
00:30:00.000 what country you're allowed to read a book in.
00:30:02.920 They can't tell you, um, you know, how many times you get to read it.
00:30:07.520 They can't tell you who you get to lend that book to.
00:30:10.720 And they certainly can't keep records of all of those interactions.
00:30:13.980 And the digital world allows for, uh, that, that form of control.
00:30:20.760 And importantly, it's not limited just to digital media.
00:30:25.440 Uh, we have all these smart devices, uh, in our homes, on our bodies.
00:30:30.560 Um, you know, we've got our voice assistants and our fitness trackers and, you know, even
00:30:37.480 our home appliances and cars.
00:30:39.640 They all have software, they all have network connections and all of these sort of, uh,
00:30:45.660 problems that I've been describing are going to play out in that space as well, where device
00:30:52.520 makers are not only going to be able to track your behavior, but they're also going to be
00:30:57.680 able to limit the ways in which you can use the products that you think, uh, you have purchased.
00:31:04.080 So, so let me, so let me interrupt here and just ask you this.
00:31:08.080 I see when I go to iTunes, I see a movie I want to watch.
00:31:11.520 It says rent or own.
00:31:15.240 I'm not owning it.
00:31:16.440 I'm just renting it in a different way.
00:31:19.740 Isn't this false advertising?
00:31:22.540 Uh, so I think there's a really good case to be made here that companies like Amazon and
00:31:27.000 Apple that use language like own and buy words that have real meaning for people in their
00:31:34.600 everyday lives are misstating the, the nature of those transactions.
00:31:39.960 So, uh, my, uh, coauthor, Chris Hofnagel, and I wrote a paper a few years ago, a couple of
00:31:47.180 years ago now, um, called what we buy when we buy now that did a survey of about 1500 consumers
00:31:54.500 to figure out what people think this language means.
00:31:58.300 And it turns out that a significant percentage of consumers incorrectly believe that they
00:32:06.840 do have true ownership rights and they get to keep these goods, that they can lend them,
00:32:11.240 that they can give them away.
00:32:13.080 And we think that there is an opportunity here to, uh, correct this misinformation in the
00:32:20.040 marketplace.
00:32:20.420 But think about the company that we're talking about, you know, Apple and Amazon are two of
00:32:25.280 the biggest corporations the world has ever seen and getting them to, uh, convincing them
00:32:34.820 to communicate in a, in a more clear and fair way is, is, is a real challenge.
00:32:41.980 Class action lawsuit.
00:32:43.360 So I think there is a possibility for class action litigation here.
00:32:50.560 There, there are a bunch of, uh, legal, uh, and practical hurdles to making that happen.
00:32:56.880 I think it's something worth pursuing.
00:32:58.640 I think the federal trade commission has a role to play here.
00:33:02.660 This is, uh, squarely within their, um, uh, within their area of, of expertise and obligation
00:33:12.740 to police the market to make sure that consumers have accurate information.
00:33:17.440 Aaron, um, go ahead.
00:33:19.360 Yeah.
00:33:20.000 I just want, go ahead.
00:33:22.000 The, the, the way the market works depends on consumers being informed.
00:33:26.820 People can't make rational choices.
00:33:28.940 People can't decide where to spend their money if they're being misled about the products that
00:33:33.940 they're getting.
00:33:34.680 So I think that it's crucial for the functioning of the market, uh, to have that information
00:33:39.540 be correct.
00:33:40.580 Have you done any look into what a society without real ownership, I mean, we're down to, you
00:33:49.020 know, renting clothes and everything else.
00:33:51.200 Uh, and that's only going to get stronger as, as, as we move forward.
00:33:54.580 Have you looked into what that means for a capitalist society and for America in particular, that
00:34:01.080 has always been about ownership?
00:34:04.420 So my biggest concern here is the way this changes kind of our conception of ourselves and
00:34:14.060 the way we think about ourselves as individuals in a society.
00:34:18.620 This is the best of the Glenn Beck program.
00:34:38.480 One of my favorite guys, uh, because he is, he does his own homework.
00:34:42.100 He rolls up his sleeves.
00:34:43.440 He looks and he tells the truth as he finds it.
00:34:46.260 Peter Schweitzer is here.
00:34:47.800 He's the president of government accountability Institute and a producer of a new documentary
00:34:52.000 that's out called the creepy line.
00:34:54.340 And that is exactly the right name for it.
00:34:58.420 It is.
00:34:59.260 And it actually, the creepy line comes from a speech that Eric Schmidt, Schmidt, the CEO
00:35:03.860 of Google gave.
00:35:04.780 It was an interview.
00:35:05.400 In fact, where he was asked, how do you make these ethical judgments about how far you're
00:35:09.800 going to go?
00:35:10.440 And the, the interviewer actually asks Schmidt, are you going to implant things in our brain?
00:35:15.460 And Eric Schmidt's response was, well, we like to go right up to the creepy line, but
00:35:20.980 not cross it.
00:35:22.060 And he said, we're not going to implant anything in your brain.
00:35:24.840 At least not yet.
00:35:26.120 Those are actually Eric Schmidt's word.
00:35:28.820 And he's, he's, I find him incredibly Frank.
00:35:32.420 Yes.
00:35:32.760 He, he just, he says it like it is.
00:35:35.340 Yes.
00:35:35.600 It's, it's, I've interviewed him a couple of times and it is fascinating because he's
00:35:41.840 just telling you.
00:35:42.820 He doesn't sugarcoat it.
00:35:44.140 And I think it's his background as an engineer and, and he's sort of very direct.
00:35:49.380 I mean, one of the other things we quote him in the film is saying is that Google has and
00:35:54.000 takes very seriously its responsibility to change the values of American people.
00:36:00.060 Uh, you know, Google's mantra has always been, they are more than just a company to make
00:36:05.440 money.
00:36:06.120 Uh, they have a certain ethos, a certain worldview.
00:36:09.160 And part of the reason that they structured the company the way they did in which the founders
00:36:14.140 always have controlling shares is that that sense of social mission is part of it.
00:36:18.300 And Schmidt has been always very direct about saying it.
00:36:20.920 Yes.
00:36:21.160 Part of our mission as a company has been to try to shape and change the values of the
00:36:26.320 United States.
00:36:27.000 And that's sort of one of the premises of this film that it's not just about privacy.
00:36:31.620 It's not that there's taking all this information, Glenn, they're using that information against
00:36:36.680 us to try to nudge us or to move us into directions that we wouldn't ordinarily want to go.
00:36:42.120 Okay.
00:36:42.760 So, um, so let's, can, can you tie this all to Kavanaugh and what we've seen with the Kavanaugh
00:36:50.040 case and how, for instance, you know, there's, there's, um, uh, there is this overwhelming,
00:36:57.200 uh, understanding from half the country that he is absolutely guilty and she is a victim.
00:37:06.060 Right.
00:37:06.660 And there's a lot of information on the other side.
00:37:10.620 In fact, more information on the other side, but you're not really seeing that.
00:37:13.620 Right.
00:37:14.280 Yeah.
00:37:14.660 It's, it's very hard because this is happening in real time right now to sort of monitor what's
00:37:19.700 Google doing, but we can look at the past.
00:37:22.140 Uh, in fact, one of the things we feature in the film is a study done by a Robert Epstein.
00:37:27.300 Uh, Epstein's a very interesting guy.
00:37:29.240 He's a Harvard PhD in psychology studied under BF Skinner, uh, was a former editor in chief
00:37:34.960 of psychology today magazine.
00:37:36.600 And by the way, and this is very relevant, was a Hillary Clinton supporter in 2016.
00:37:41.720 Well, one of the things he did in the 2016 election was he had 2000 people around the
00:37:47.160 country doing Google searches, uh, and they monitored the results that people were getting.
00:37:52.700 This is a very, uh, you know, uh, clear academic study and, and this research was peer reviewed
00:37:58.140 as his other work was.
00:37:59.340 Uh, and what came back was that Google was systematically skewing search results in favor of Hillary Clinton. 0.99
00:38:06.320 They were, in other words, they were, uh, suppressing negative stories about Hillary and the algorithm
00:38:11.860 and they were pushing them in favor of Donald Trump.
00:38:14.480 And Epstein's point was, I actually supported Hillary Clinton thought she was more qualified,
00:38:18.740 but the bottom line is a company should not be doing this.
00:38:22.780 And it's secret.
00:38:23.740 You don't know that it's going on.
00:38:25.940 Nobody's monitoring the results are getting.
00:38:28.020 They're assuming the results in the list that they're getting is representative of some
00:38:32.580 objective standard.
00:38:33.860 Google is a, Google is a verb now.
00:38:35.820 It's not a noun.
00:38:36.900 It's a, it's a verb.
00:38:38.380 I don't know.
00:38:38.940 Google it.
00:38:39.720 Yes.
00:38:40.380 Well, if you Google it and the, and the algorithm is giving you the answer that is skewed, right?
00:38:46.780 That's like going to a dictionary that will always change the definitions of things as
00:38:53.520 it applies to whatever's happening in the world.
00:38:56.280 Yes.
00:38:56.620 That's real problem.
00:38:57.920 No, you're, you're exactly right.
00:38:59.320 And so in the, in the context of Kavanaugh, I mean, I don't know exactly because it's occurring
00:39:03.580 in real time, but the bottom line is there is a history here of Google doing this.
00:39:08.160 It was, it was leaked a couple of weeks ago.
00:39:11.200 Tucker Carlson talked about on Fox about these internal emails where you actually had Google
00:39:16.980 engineers saying, Hey, you know what?
00:39:19.520 We don't like, you know, Trump's policy on immigration.
00:39:22.340 So we want to sort of, uh, suppress certain stories.
00:39:26.280 Um, this is a thing and Google does it.
00:39:28.640 And, and here's the, the, the, the point that we try to make Glenn in this film and in general,
00:39:33.300 the whole conversation that Google wants to have is about fake news and this debate about
00:39:38.240 fake news.
00:39:38.880 Here's the, here's the bottom line.
00:39:40.660 Fake news is competitive.
00:39:41.820 If you and I are having a disagreement about something, I put up my fake news story and
00:39:47.080 you say, Oh yeah, I'm going to put up my fake news story.
00:39:49.980 The point is it's out in the open.
00:39:51.840 You have combat.
00:39:52.780 And by the way, fake news doesn't really convince anybody.
00:39:56.020 You know, if you like Hillary Clinton, that fake news ad that the Russians ran of Jesus and,
00:40:01.940 and, and Hillary arm wrestling is probably not going to convince you to vote a different 1.00
00:40:06.440 way.
00:40:06.880 That wasn't the, that wasn't a real arm wrestling competition.
00:40:09.640 But you know, the, the, the point is, is that that's not going to convince anybody because
00:40:15.300 of confirmation bias.
00:40:16.440 You know, people tend to look for information they want.
00:40:19.020 What Google's doing is different because we don't know what we don't know.
00:40:23.860 The question that we should be asking people, uh, Google and Facebook is why will you not
00:40:29.800 make your algorithm transparent?
00:40:32.260 Right.
00:40:32.520 I've never believed in, you know, those dystopian movies.
00:40:35.680 I've always made fun of them and said, yeah, this is, this is crazy.
00:40:38.960 You know, the, you know, the corporations out to get you because of their algorithms, because
00:40:44.740 they are so all encompassing, that is the world we're headed towards.
00:40:49.980 What do they tell you when they say algorithms?
00:40:54.440 Oh, no, we have to keep that top secret because.
00:40:57.240 Yeah.
00:40:57.460 They, what they argue is it's, it's for reasons of, of, uh, you know, state secret.
00:41:01.620 Um, and, and, you know, that they need to protect their trade secrets.
00:41:05.320 They need to be, uh, uh, you know, making sure that nobody gets access to it.
00:41:09.040 There's some truth to that, but there are a lot of things that they could do to demonstrate,
00:41:13.200 um, that they're offering a fair product and service to people.
00:41:17.460 And here's the thing, Glenn, they have lied about this before, you know, 10 years ago or
00:41:22.380 so you had other, uh, companies like TripAdvisor and Yelp who were saying that Google was artificially
00:41:29.220 suppressing their rankings in Google in favor of Google owned companies, which, okay, you
00:41:35.220 know, Google has the right to do that. 0.99
00:41:36.400 But here's the thing, Google flat out lied and said, absolutely not.
00:41:40.040 We don't do that.
00:41:41.180 Our algorithm is pure.
00:41:42.740 It's true.
00:41:43.360 The best results are going to, are, are organically at the top.
00:41:47.260 Well, here's the problem.
00:41:48.300 The federal trade commission, the European union professors at Harvard university looked
00:41:52.640 at this and said, BS, you are fiddling with the algorithm.
00:41:55.700 You are screwing these other competitors and you're lying.
00:41:59.080 So the point is when Google says you can trust the algorithm, you can trust us.
00:42:03.860 They've lied before and they're lying now.
00:42:06.020 And I think the only question that remains really is how are we going to deal with this?
00:42:10.600 Um, you know, there's an old story that Henry Kissinger said when he's on the national security
00:42:14.960 council, you give a president three choices, do nothing, take my solution or thermonuclear
00:42:20.800 war.
00:42:21.260 Those are your three choices.
00:42:22.500 Uh, in this case, it's kind of like that.
00:42:24.560 We can do nothing.
00:42:25.720 We can try to deal with some sort of the regulatory issues related with Google, or we can break
00:42:31.720 up these companies.
00:42:32.680 Those are the three options that we have.
00:42:34.720 And I think we're really at the point of point number three, because this is not a monopoly
00:42:39.080 like standard oil, standard oil.
00:42:41.260 That's going to dominate the oil market. 0.98
00:42:42.760 This is controlling the news flow in the United States.
00:42:46.180 This is in the end.
00:42:48.260 This is in the end, Peter, um, controlling everything.
00:42:52.260 Yes.
00:42:52.900 Google is the most likely company in the America, in the American world, uh, to come up with AI.
00:43:02.400 Yes.
00:43:02.660 Whoever, whoever gets to AI first controls everything.
00:43:08.920 There's no way to beat it.
00:43:10.600 Right.
00:43:10.980 Once you have AI.
00:43:12.300 Yes.
00:43:12.820 This company is the most likely in the free world to come up with it.
00:43:17.720 If we don't have them contained in some way or another, when they get to AI, we're toast.
00:43:26.140 Yes.
00:43:26.700 Yes.
00:43:27.160 That's exactly right.
00:43:28.240 And here's the thing.
00:43:29.040 It's not just Google, the company, a lot of people don't realize this.
00:43:33.380 I didn't realize this.
00:43:34.640 If you use Safari on your Apple product, you're actually using the Google algorithm.
00:43:39.500 And that is Google information.
00:43:41.680 Um, if you're using, if you are using, um, Yahoo, you're using Google.
00:43:46.640 The point being Firefox is Google.
00:43:49.580 The, all these entities are using the Google algorithm.
00:43:52.440 So even if you say, I am not going to use Google.com, you're using, unless you are making
00:43:58.060 very specific choices for other options.
00:44:00.740 If you're using any of those others, Google is the one that's dominating it.
00:44:04.080 And by the way, Google pays Apple $9 billion a year.
00:44:09.040 Google actually pays Apple to be the algorithm of choice for Safari.
00:44:13.640 That's how much they value this information and want to dominate this space.
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