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Glenn Beck goes back to basics and explains the difference between a victim and an accuser in the Brett and Christine Blasey Ford case. He also talks about Donald Trump's comments about the "victim" in the case.
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Thursday, Thursday, Thursday, Thursday, Thursday.
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In fact, we're going to go back to basics today.
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Do you know the difference between a victim and an accuser?
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And they don't understand the word mocking and relaying evidence.
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I'm going to go out and let them say they do understand both of those things.
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Well, the American people have to have a brush up on that.
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It doesn't seem like we've learned those lessons yet.
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He did the book Clinton Cash, among many other great ones.
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But he's got a documentary out about what Google is doing, manipulating search results.
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And Peter's not a guy who's just, like, making claims.
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Yeah, he's got a guy from Harvard University, you know, big egghead, that actually is a Clinton supporter and was all for Clinton.
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And as he was doing the research and speaking out about it, guess who got kicked off of Google?
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So, it's something that you really need to pay attention to because there's some really frightening things happening.
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You're listening to The Best of the Glenn Beck Program.
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I got up this morning and I've been doing a whole bunch of research on the show.
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The last thing I got to was the Donald Trump thing.
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I was on our affiliate in Tulsa and I was asked, what about Donald Trump?
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And I should have just said, I don't know, I haven't seen it yet.
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But I had read about it and I'm glad I didn't comment on it.
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All I said was, I'm not going to comment on it because it's just, it's ridiculous to focus everything on Donald Trump.
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The media has said, did you hear Donald Trump mocking the victim?
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But in case you have only read about it or you've only seen the headlines, I would like to play the audio.
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Here is Donald Trump, according to the press, mocking the victim.
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Well, do you think it was, nope, it was one beer.
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This is Donald Trump stating the facts in the Kavanaugh case.
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Facts that MSNBC and everybody else don't seem to care.
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I, so-and-so, am a current resident of California.
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I first met Christine Blasey, now Christine Blasey Ford, in 1989, 1990 in California.
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From approximately 92 to 98, I was in a relationship.
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So, from 1989 to 1998, nine years, this person knew and was very, very close to her.
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I found her truthful and maintained no animus toward her.
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During our time dating, Dr. Ford never brought up anything regarding her experience as a victim of sexual assault, harassment, or misconduct.
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During some of the time we were dating, Dr. Ford lived with Monica I. McClain, who I understood to be her lifelong best friend.
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During that time, it was my understanding that McClain was interviewing for jobs with the FBI and the U.S. Attorney's Office.
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I witnessed Dr. Ford help McClain prepare for a potential polygraph exam.
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Dr. Ford explained in detail what to expect, how polygraphs work, and helped McClain become familiar and less nervous about the exam.
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Dr. Ford was able to help because of her background in psychology.
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Now, this is interesting because I do remember, while she was under oath, a very strange line of questioning that went a little something like this.
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Have you ever had discussions with anyone, besides your attorneys, on how to take a polygraph?
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And I don't just mean countermeasures, but I mean just any sort of tips or anything like that.
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But it was comfortable that I could tell the information and the test would reveal whatever it was going to reveal.
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I didn't expect it to be as long as it was going to be, so it was a little bit stressful.
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Have you ever given tips or advice to somebody who was looking to take a polygraph test?
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I demand an FBI investigation on Monica L. McClain, who is a lifetime friend of Dr. Ford.
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Because there is, now I want to use this word carefully, an accuser, we have to define that here in a second.
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An accuser saying that Dr. Ford and Monica McClain, Monica was interviewing for jobs with the FBI in the U.S. Attorney's Office.
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I witnessed Dr. Ford help McClain prepare for a potential polygraph exam.
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Dr. Ford explained in detail what to expect, how polygraphs work, and helped McClain become familiar and less nervous about the exam.
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Let me play this audio again of what she said under oath.
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Have you ever had discussions with anyone besides your attorneys on how to take a polygraph?
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And I don't just mean countermeasures, but I mean just any sort of tips or anything like that.
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But it was comfortable that I could tell the information and the test would reveal whatever it was going to reveal.
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I didn't expect it to be as long as it was going to be, so it was a little bit stressful.
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Have you ever given tips or advice to somebody who was looking to take a polygraph test?
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We have somebody who has accused her of teaching someone else about a polygraph.
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I think that's important that we keep that standard.
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So if we're going to use the same standard that the left is applying, she is a liar.
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Can she even be allowed to work at a fast food restaurant?
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How can you, how can you possibly believe a liar on anything she says?
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This is the standard that we're now running to embrace.
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This is the standard that our children, this is the standard that we ran from.
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America, because in every other country, this was a new idea.
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You cannot come into my house and just take me.
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I have a right to know who my accuser is and address my accuser.
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I have a right to be presumed innocent until proven guilty.
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Now listen, it is so imperative that you understand what this is.
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If you do not understand what you're fighting, do you think we could have won World War II without naming the Nazis?
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Do you think we will ever win this war on terror without naming what it is about?
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That Sharia law is the prevailing law, and if you're not under Sharia law, you're an infidel, which means I can kill you, I can rape you, I can turn you into a slave.
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And we will never win it unless we name our enemy.
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We would have never won World War II if we were fighting the Germans.
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We would not have won in the Civil War had we been fighting the South.
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We were fighting people who didn't believe in the Constitution.
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And by the way, if you don't think that's true, we lost every single battle up until the point that Abraham Lincoln said,
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We wouldn't have won the American Revolution if it wasn't against tyranny.
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And it was for certain ideas, like the idea that you are innocent until proven guilty.
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And until the American people understand what post-modernism is, you will lose.
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You will lose every battle because you will only grow frustrated and angry, which will play directly into what they want to happen.
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They want us just to start swinging in blind rage.
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And until you understand what they're doing, until you understand that this isn't really about Ford, this isn't about the charges.
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This is all about white men have put together, in this case, a rape culture.
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And it doesn't matter if he really did it, because other white men have.
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It doesn't matter if she was really a victim, because other women have been victims.
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This is about collective justice, currently entitled social justice.
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But make no mistake, this is collective justice.
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And collective justice, to put it into the terms that a Christian will understand, is anti-Christ.
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You cannot balance the scales by convicting someone who is not guilty, because someone who looked like them has done it anyway.
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I don't know if your neighbors do, but I think you feel it.
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We are extraordinarily close to the edge of the abyss.
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I promised when it came to that time, and I asked you to do the same, I would stand and say, don't go there.
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And I've been explaining it on TV, and I've explained it on radio on Thursday.
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People are not going to want to hear the facts.
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The only thing that matters is reason and facts.
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Al, I have to tell you, I have to tell you, Al, I have to tell you, I don't even think he attacked
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Now, that might look like an attack to some, but it ain't.
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Al, do you want a copy of the book or the audio book?
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I'm going to make one out while we're talking here.
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We're just giving books away to everyone who actually gets on the air?
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I figure I've penciled in five books for the rest of the year to Al.
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We are entering a new time and everything's being redesigned right now and people aren't
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People aren't really talking about big fundamental things that are changing.
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For instance, America was based on life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
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Nobody's talking about pursuit of happiness right now.
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Pursuit of happiness is defined by our founders as ownership that you could own.
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And ownership is a big part of capitalism and a big part of America.
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When you buy a book on Kindle, do you own the book?
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When you buy a movie from iTunes, do you own the movie?
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Aaron, and I want to get this right, Perez, say it for me, Aaron.
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We can't pronounce easy words, so that was going to be difficult.
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I'm really fascinated by how we make the turns in our society for the future, and ownership
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is a big part of this, because in the future, I don't know how many people will even own
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But do we really own things when we buy them online?
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So I think there's a real concern here that consumers go into transactions when they're
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buying things, digital goods, especially digital books, movies, music.
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They go into those transactions assuming they work the same way as they do in the world of
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tangible goods, where if you buy a book, you can give it away to a friend, you can lend
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it to someone, you can leave it in your will in the future and leave your book collection
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And the rules that control these digital transactions when you buy something on your Kindle or from
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iTunes are very different from the rules that we expect in the physical world.
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And consumers don't really understand that distinction.
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And I think that causes a real disconnect between what we all expect to happen and what happens
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So to give you a quick example, just a couple of weeks ago, a consumer, a customer of the
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Apple iTunes movie store found that three movies that he had purchased had been deleted from
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Um, those of us that have been following these issues closely for years would remember 10
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years ago when Amazon remotely deleted books off of people's Kindles, including, uh, ironically,
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So these, these issues have been happening for a long time, but I think people are, are now
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starting to really, uh, sit up and take notice of it.
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So I remember it because this, it's easier for me to read everything on Kindle.
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Um, but I, and I have a, a large collection, uh, in my library of, of, of hardcover books.
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I read it all on Kindle, but I have recently really been concerned, not just because I don't
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actually own it and I can't have it in my library and I can't pass it on, but also because
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If you're a giant, if you're in China, I mean, at first they wouldn't sell the book, but
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if they did sell the book, the government can just deem that that book is, you don't need
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You could just overnight, just take all of that, every copy of that book out of circulation.
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If it's only digital, that's really disturbing to me.
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Um, it's a concern, um, from the perspective of censorship, as you've just described it.
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It's also a real concern, uh, from the perspective of preservation and sort of archiving our cultural
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If these books are, are stored on the centralized servers and only the hands of, you know, the,
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the, the two or three companies, um, that dominate these markets, then there's a real risk that,
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um, we aren't going to be able to ensure kind of the widespread distribution of copies.
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That will allow us to, um, to, to, to archive and preserve, um, these works.
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And, and Aaron, it, with the movie, it wasn't because they found it objectionable or anything
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It's because that particular provider, they lost the rights to that movie, right?
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And so they, they had to pull it from people's libraries because their rights had expired.
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So there are a number of ways that this can happen.
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This most recent example, I don't know that the facts are totally clear on exactly.
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So one way this can happen is that as you described, um, the deal between the digital retailer,
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Apple or Amazon, and the copyright holder expires, they no longer have the rights to sell that
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It can also happen when a record label or a movie studio decides that they want to put out
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the new updated, remastered director's cut edition of a movie.
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And when they do that, they pull the old version to help drive the sale of the new.
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So they almost force you to, I mean, cause they, they, they've always done this where,
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you know, it's the masterpiece collection and it's, you know, additional footage and,
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and, uh, you know, fully restored, but you still had the old copy.
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You can't, you, I mean, even for, I mean, think of this, even just for comparison, you
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can't, if they change something in a movie, imagine when, remember when George Lucas changed
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Well, I want to see what it was like when it originally came out.
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Unless the movie company decided to allow you to do that.
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I mean, and the, and the problem in this most recent case in part was that the consumer
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didn't have a local copy stored on their computer or their device.
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Um, and, and this is just a practical tip for people.
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You should always try to store as much as you can locally.
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Now, these services are often trying to encourage consumers to rely on their own, on the, on the
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And sometimes, um, with the Apple TV, for example, uh, the Apple TV doesn't allow you
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You have to access it through their cloud servers.
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I think that makes a big difference in your relationship.
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If I downloaded something on Kindle, could I download it to another cloud and still be able
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Uh, so the, the Kindle allows you to store those files locally on your own device, but
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because the Kindle is tethered through software and network connections to Amazon, Amazon has
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the ability as, as they showed 10 years ago, to remove those files from your device.
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Well, we saw this several years ago too, in a very different way.
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I'm sure, um, some of your listeners may remember when they woke up and found a U2 album on their
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You write about this a little bit and it's, it's an interesting change in the way we think
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There is, there is, in the past you had a transaction where you'd go into a store and you'd buy something.
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With these digital purchases that we're making from iTunes or Amazon, we're actually like
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You, it's a, it's sort of an open-ended thing where they're constantly knowing what you do
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And you have that ongoing relationship where they can cancel that at any time without your
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Can you talk a bit, a little bit about the change there?
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Uh, that the switch to the digital platform offers convenience, but also makes consumer
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Unlike a purchase at a broke bookstore, a digital media transaction is continuous linking buyer
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and seller and giving the seller a post-transaction power impossible in physical markets.
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So I think this is important for a number of reasons.
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It leads to these scenarios that we were talking about earlier, where the seller of the good
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has the ability not only to sort of reclaim, uh, or recall the good, but they also have some
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ability to control how and when, and under what circumstances you make use of that product
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So that's just not something that you could do in the tangible world, right?
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Your, your local bookstore, put aside the publisher, your local bookstore can't tell you
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They can't tell you, um, you know, how many times you get to read it.
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They can't tell you who you get to lend that book to.
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And they certainly can't keep records of all of those interactions.
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And the digital world allows for, uh, that, that form of control.
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And importantly, it's not limited just to digital media.
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Uh, we have all these smart devices, uh, in our homes, on our bodies.
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Um, you know, we've got our voice assistants and our fitness trackers and, you know, even
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They all have software, they all have network connections and all of these sort of, uh,
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problems that I've been describing are going to play out in that space as well, where device
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makers are not only going to be able to track your behavior, but they're also going to be
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able to limit the ways in which you can use the products that you think, uh, you have purchased.
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So, so let me, so let me interrupt here and just ask you this.
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I see when I go to iTunes, I see a movie I want to watch.
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Uh, so I think there's a really good case to be made here that companies like Amazon and
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Apple that use language like own and buy words that have real meaning for people in their
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everyday lives are misstating the, the nature of those transactions.
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So, uh, my, uh, coauthor, Chris Hofnagel, and I wrote a paper a few years ago, a couple of
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years ago now, um, called what we buy when we buy now that did a survey of about 1500 consumers
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to figure out what people think this language means.
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And it turns out that a significant percentage of consumers incorrectly believe that they
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do have true ownership rights and they get to keep these goods, that they can lend them,
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And we think that there is an opportunity here to, uh, correct this misinformation in the
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But think about the company that we're talking about, you know, Apple and Amazon are two of
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the biggest corporations the world has ever seen and getting them to, uh, convincing them
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to communicate in a, in a more clear and fair way is, is, is a real challenge.
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So I think there is a possibility for class action litigation here.
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There, there are a bunch of, uh, legal, uh, and practical hurdles to making that happen.
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I think the federal trade commission has a role to play here.
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This is, uh, squarely within their, um, uh, within their area of, of expertise and obligation
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to police the market to make sure that consumers have accurate information.
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The, the, the way the market works depends on consumers being informed.
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People can't decide where to spend their money if they're being misled about the products that
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So I think that it's crucial for the functioning of the market, uh, to have that information
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Have you done any look into what a society without real ownership, I mean, we're down to, you
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Uh, and that's only going to get stronger as, as, as we move forward.
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Have you looked into what that means for a capitalist society and for America in particular, that
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So my biggest concern here is the way this changes kind of our conception of ourselves and
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the way we think about ourselves as individuals in a society.
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One of my favorite guys, uh, because he is, he does his own homework.
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He looks and he tells the truth as he finds it.
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He's the president of government accountability Institute and a producer of a new documentary
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And it actually, the creepy line comes from a speech that Eric Schmidt, Schmidt, the CEO
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In fact, where he was asked, how do you make these ethical judgments about how far you're
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And the, the interviewer actually asks Schmidt, are you going to implant things in our brain?
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And Eric Schmidt's response was, well, we like to go right up to the creepy line, but
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And he said, we're not going to implant anything in your brain.
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It's, it's, I've interviewed him a couple of times and it is fascinating because he's
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And I think it's his background as an engineer and, and he's sort of very direct.
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I mean, one of the other things we quote him in the film is saying is that Google has and
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takes very seriously its responsibility to change the values of American people.
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Uh, you know, Google's mantra has always been, they are more than just a company to make
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Uh, they have a certain ethos, a certain worldview.
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And part of the reason that they structured the company the way they did in which the founders
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always have controlling shares is that that sense of social mission is part of it.
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And Schmidt has been always very direct about saying it.
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Part of our mission as a company has been to try to shape and change the values of the
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And that's sort of one of the premises of this film that it's not just about privacy.
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It's not that there's taking all this information, Glenn, they're using that information against
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us to try to nudge us or to move us into directions that we wouldn't ordinarily want to go.
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So, um, so let's, can, can you tie this all to Kavanaugh and what we've seen with the Kavanaugh
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case and how, for instance, you know, there's, there's, um, uh, there is this overwhelming,
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uh, understanding from half the country that he is absolutely guilty and she is a victim.
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And there's a lot of information on the other side.
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In fact, more information on the other side, but you're not really seeing that.
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It's, it's very hard because this is happening in real time right now to sort of monitor what's
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Uh, in fact, one of the things we feature in the film is a study done by a Robert Epstein.
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He's a Harvard PhD in psychology studied under BF Skinner, uh, was a former editor in chief
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And by the way, and this is very relevant, was a Hillary Clinton supporter in 2016.
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Well, one of the things he did in the 2016 election was he had 2000 people around the
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country doing Google searches, uh, and they monitored the results that people were getting.
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This is a very, uh, you know, uh, clear academic study and, and this research was peer reviewed
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Uh, and what came back was that Google was systematically skewing search results in favor of Hillary Clinton.
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They were, in other words, they were, uh, suppressing negative stories about Hillary and the algorithm
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and they were pushing them in favor of Donald Trump.
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And Epstein's point was, I actually supported Hillary Clinton thought she was more qualified,
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but the bottom line is a company should not be doing this.
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They're assuming the results in the list that they're getting is representative of some
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Well, if you Google it and the, and the algorithm is giving you the answer that is skewed, right?
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That's like going to a dictionary that will always change the definitions of things as
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it applies to whatever's happening in the world.
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And so in the, in the context of Kavanaugh, I mean, I don't know exactly because it's occurring
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in real time, but the bottom line is there is a history here of Google doing this.
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Tucker Carlson talked about on Fox about these internal emails where you actually had Google
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We don't like, you know, Trump's policy on immigration.
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So we want to sort of, uh, suppress certain stories.
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And, and here's the, the, the, the point that we try to make Glenn in this film and in general,
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the whole conversation that Google wants to have is about fake news and this debate about
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If you and I are having a disagreement about something, I put up my fake news story and
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you say, Oh yeah, I'm going to put up my fake news story.
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And by the way, fake news doesn't really convince anybody.
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You know, if you like Hillary Clinton, that fake news ad that the Russians ran of Jesus and,
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and, and Hillary arm wrestling is probably not going to convince you to vote a different
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That wasn't the, that wasn't a real arm wrestling competition.
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But you know, the, the, the point is, is that that's not going to convince anybody because
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You know, people tend to look for information they want.
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What Google's doing is different because we don't know what we don't know.
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The question that we should be asking people, uh, Google and Facebook is why will you not
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I've never believed in, you know, those dystopian movies.
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I've always made fun of them and said, yeah, this is, this is crazy.
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You know, the, you know, the corporations out to get you because of their algorithms, because
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they are so all encompassing, that is the world we're headed towards.
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What do they tell you when they say algorithms?
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Oh, no, we have to keep that top secret because.
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They, what they argue is it's, it's for reasons of, of, uh, you know, state secret.
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Um, and, and, you know, that they need to protect their trade secrets.
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They need to be, uh, uh, you know, making sure that nobody gets access to it.
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There's some truth to that, but there are a lot of things that they could do to demonstrate,
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um, that they're offering a fair product and service to people.
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And here's the thing, Glenn, they have lied about this before, you know, 10 years ago or
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so you had other, uh, companies like TripAdvisor and Yelp who were saying that Google was artificially
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suppressing their rankings in Google in favor of Google owned companies, which, okay, you
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But here's the thing, Google flat out lied and said, absolutely not.
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The best results are going to, are, are organically at the top.
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The federal trade commission, the European union professors at Harvard university looked
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at this and said, BS, you are fiddling with the algorithm.
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You are screwing these other competitors and you're lying.
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So the point is when Google says you can trust the algorithm, you can trust us.
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And I think the only question that remains really is how are we going to deal with this?
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Um, you know, there's an old story that Henry Kissinger said when he's on the national security
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council, you give a president three choices, do nothing, take my solution or thermonuclear
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We can try to deal with some sort of the regulatory issues related with Google, or we can break
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And I think we're really at the point of point number three, because this is not a monopoly
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This is controlling the news flow in the United States.
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This is in the end, Peter, um, controlling everything.
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Google is the most likely company in the America, in the American world, uh, to come up with AI.
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Whoever, whoever gets to AI first controls everything.
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This company is the most likely in the free world to come up with it.
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If we don't have them contained in some way or another, when they get to AI, we're toast.
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It's not just Google, the company, a lot of people don't realize this.
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If you use Safari on your Apple product, you're actually using the Google algorithm.
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Um, if you're using, if you are using, um, Yahoo, you're using Google.
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The, all these entities are using the Google algorithm.
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So even if you say, I am not going to use Google.com, you're using, unless you are making
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If you're using any of those others, Google is the one that's dominating it.
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And by the way, Google pays Apple $9 billion a year.
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Google actually pays Apple to be the algorithm of choice for Safari.
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That's how much they value this information and want to dominate this space.