Biden’s Memo to the Media: Fall in Line! | Guest: Robby Soave | 1⧸23⧸20
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Pres. Joe Biden's presidential campaign has issued a warning to reporters and editors in a memo demanding that they debunk the corruption allegations against him. The memo, titled The Imperative for Honest Coverage of the Obama Conspiracy Theory, deals specifically with the charge that then-VP Biden pushed for a U.S. prosecutor to be fired by threatening to withhold aid to the country.
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well here we are another day of the senate impeachment trial and now joe biden has issued
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a warning to the press fall in line that's a quote fall in line
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joe biden's presidential campaign has issued a warning to reporters and editors in a memo
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demanding that they debunk the claims of corruption against him the memo titled the imperative for
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honest coverage of trump's ukraine conspiracy theory deals specifically with a charge that
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then vice president joe biden as the obama administration's point man in ukraine pushed
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for a ukrainian prosecutor to be fired by threatening to withhold aid to the country
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wait wait wait the fired prosecutor victor shokin was reportedly removed at the same time he was
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investigating barisma the ukrainian gas company according to the biden campaign trump's impeachment
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was due in large part to his efforts to spread this theory according to the memo quote trump's
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objective was to pressure the ukrainian government into spreading a malicious and conclusively debunked
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conspiracy theory not true not true that vice president biden engaged in wrongdoing doing when he
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executed when he executed official united states policy to remove a corrupt prosecutor from office
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again this is that part is true he he was executing a an official policy for the united states
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but he knew at the time they were coming after his son he knew at the time they were going after
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burisma there is there have never been any allegations in ukraine that shokin was corrupt they've
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never filed any charges they've never told him why he was fired other than the vice president asked for it
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in the memo they cite numerous mainstream news outlets that agree with biden's version of the story
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and that discredit the theory that biden pushed for the firing of the prosecutor to cover up corruption
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uh accordingly the memo goes on to instruct the media to state clearly and unambiguously
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that such claims of corruption have been discredited and debunked otherwise it is journalistic malpractice
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according to the trump i mean sorry according to the biden campaign it is sufficient to say the
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allegations are uns i'm sorry it is not uh sufficient to say the allegations are unsubstantiated
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or that no evidence has emerged to support them this is crazy not only is there no evidence for the
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republicans main argument against the vice president there is a mountain of evidence that actively debunks it
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i i'm at a loss i feel like i say the same thing every day but every day it's worse i i don't i don't even
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know what to say anymore i i don't believe this of course i believe this it's happening every single
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day it's just getting worse i've never seen anything like this yeah i did yesterday but this one's worse
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i don't know what to say to you anymore i don't know how to come to you with this news anymore
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despite numerous outlets having reported the claims as false republicans and trump defenders
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are not so convinced in fact it was biden himself who added fuel to the theory's flame
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when he openly bragged on camera he said i'm telling you you're not going to get the billions of dollars
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you're not getting the billion i'm going to be leaving here and think about that in six hours
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i'm leaving in six hours if the prosecutor is not fired then you're not getting the money
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2018 2018 2018 not so long ago when he said they put somebody competent in his place
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he was competent until he resumed uh the look into burisma
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and then this story broke again with donald trump
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and soon as that happened then this new prosecutor
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was not somebody to be trusted he's corrupt too
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the the way the media and we have shown it to you
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the way the media has debunked this is completely
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is the or or committing is the uh the crime uh and the sin of omission
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uh you know uh said that uh he didn't it wasn't shoken it was the other one
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right the whole situation with yovanovich and how
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initially was the story uh told by the prosecutor
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right right and so the the post and the times and everybody else says
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yeah and he brought it when he was talking about names
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than giving him a list of people not to prosecute
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she was telling him he shouldn't prosecute those people
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and and he was saying this has been the problem in ukraine forever
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this is what you guys are supposed to help us stop doing
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correct we're just not supposed to be going after these
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or protecting certain politically uh connected people
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we're supposed to be doing the opposite going after the truth
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are now on record saying we don't know how to fight corruption
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you can't do this next day it's yeah well we're including this person that you
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can prosecute and this one you got to stay away from
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there's no there's no rhyme or reason other than power and money
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where joe biden asked for the uh firing of shokin
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nothing at all about the burisma uh investigation
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i didn't know that there's no way for me to know that
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oh coincidentally within days before the vice president's visit
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was notified that joe biden's son was going to be under investigation
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no one on the president's vice presidential staff or president's staff
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was briefed that the vice president's son and his company
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was going under investigation by the prosecutor
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if donald trump would have been doing these things
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i don't know how to tell you these things anymore
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this is why you need lifelock lifelock detects a
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desire to do it he's been kicked around enough i
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in uh just a second mit romney here's audio from
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mit romney yesterday uh hitting the democrats listen
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if everything is an outrage then nothing is an outrage
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and the discussion of witnesses and the vote of witnesses that counts
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my guess is today they're going to have lots of motions on witnesses we've all
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we're not going to deal with that now we're going to deal with that after
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opening arguments just like during the clinton process
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you're going to vote against all the amendments today
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i will well i i haven't seen all the amendments but if they bring up witness
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i've already indicated i am interested to hear from john bolton perhaps among others
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here is video of trump's fate according to adam schiff
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as we will discuss impeachment exists for cases in which the conduct of the president rises beyond
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mere policies disputes to be decided otherwise and without urgency at the ballot box
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instead we are here today to consider a much more grave matter
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and that is an attempt to use the powers of the presidency to cheat in an election for precisely this reason
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okay so i heard bribery i heard collusion i've heard all of these this is a new one
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that now he has to be impeached because he's going to steal the next election
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let me go to stew go ahead take the take the shot please
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what is happening in the democratic party right now what is really truly going on
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well i think i know and i i think it is why i can come to you and say
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warren sanders even pete buddha judge are not going to be the nominee
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okay i'm going to tell you about the three groups of democrats
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and one of these groups are going to decide the future of the democratic party and decide
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uh the future possibly of the country and then i want to tell you the three reasons why donald trump
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is going to be re-elected now this is speaking of today anything could happen we could have a
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an economic collapse uh we could have you know war breakout lots of things could happen but lots of
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things could happen on the democratic side as well especially if joe biden biden is your is your horse
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that thing could fall apart i mean he's not looking you know the the the best uh and uh hasn't been
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performing well in debates okay well bernie sanders or or elizabeth warren or pete buddha judge
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really when you come down to it there is only one group that is a traditional democrat
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first you have the socialist revolutionaries these are the people that have always been on the
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outside they have not had a party they're communist socialist revolutionaries they are people like
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bernie sanders that have never really had a home now those socialist revolutionaries were brought
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into the party uh beginning back in the 1980s when they decided they really needed a coalition they
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started bringing them in but they were always kept at arm's length
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back in the early 2000s they started bringing these real revolutionaries in
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to fight against george w bush the people that did not necessarily vote for democrats ever
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but they were communists they were socialists they were literal revolutionaries people like
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bill airs and bernardine dorn these people were always on the fringe of society or just under the
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radar but then they were embraced to fight george w bush and i warned at the time you think you're
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using them they've been waiting for this moment they in the end are going to destroy you
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and they'll destroy you before they destroy the dem or the republican party so there's your first
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group of voters they want radical change and nothing american they do not want the constitution they
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don't want the guaranteed protections they want um they want not equal justice they want social
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justice they want redistribution of wealth all of the stuff that barack obama was
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you know accused of because of the people he surrounded himself with and said no no no that's crazy
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talk well it's not because here they are the second group is the is the new uh if you will uh progressive
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liberal corrupt establishment these were the people that started really kind of you know with fdr
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uh they they bastardized the word liberal but they were still kind of holding on to things like the aclu
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and say no we're for freedom of speech but really they weren't but it it was close enough to where most
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people didn't understand and nobody wanted to believe that all of these politicians were as corrupt as
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they were now we know these politicians are absolutely corrupt and i'm not just saying the
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democrats republicans are too just corrupt and they're not in it for anybody but them and their
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family apparently and they can get rich a million different ways and they do not want their power to
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end but they're progressive liberals and they don't want to really upset the apple cart they'd like
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enough of a revolution to where it's not so hard trying to keep elect you know keep electing the same
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people over and over again they'd like that to happen and then there's the third category
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and i think this is the majority of americans and the majority of democrats they're the forgotten
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democrat they're the ones that are looking for dare i say it hope and change the reason why
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is because almost everyone was looking for hope and change i was looking for hope and change i was tired of
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the bush administration i was tired of the backroom deals i was tired of being lied to
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i was tired of the never-ending wars i was tired of the out-of-control spending
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i was tired of being talked down to and called you know not being a patriot if you weren't for the
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patriot act i wanted hope and change too but when barack obama offered it a lot of people just heard that
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and they thought yeah he's saying what i believe that's why i've always said you have to really
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understand who you're standing next to who you're supporting because they might say all the right
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things barack obama capitalized on hope and change but his hope and change required fundamental
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transformation of the united states of america now there's a difference between revolution
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and restoration i want a restoration of what was right with america while getting rid of those
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things that are wrong with america corruption the out-of-control spending where no one is held
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responsible for anything i want a fair justice system i want i want
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truth justice and the american way and i think there's plenty of democrats all across this country
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that are hard-working people that feel the same way they're tired of getting the shaft they're tired
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of being told that they're the problem they're tired of being told that uh you know they'll never make
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it when they know when they're talking to their friends in the coffee shop we could fix this guys we
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they really believe they can fix it because they can fix it in their own town in their own life
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somebody that doesn't want the fundamental transformation of america and somebody that's
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they're looking for donald trump which is why 18 percent of those who voted for donald trump were
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democrats they're looking for someone who just you know who donald trump is is there any question
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in your mind you'd know you know yesterday i saw the news report donald trump broke his record for
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tweets yesterday my response was duh really of course he did we know who he is
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and you're willing to accept that because as insane as he might seem or insane as uh his
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what he's actually done not what he said what he's actually done
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imagine what it would be if he took those insane trade tariffs away
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that was insane no it wasn't seemed to have worked
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they knew he looked like he wasn't presidential
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we're going to have a guy who has a gravy stain on his tie
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and stands up and maybe he farts during his speech
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and everybody looks at the outside packaging of donald trump
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that was as insane as his tweets and everything else
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you know it's amazing is uh west virginia now is scrambling uh to see if there's any way to let
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counties from virginia join west virginia can you do that still i thought constitutionally
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no you couldn't create a new state out of a state right you unless you have the approval of the
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state legislature right um however you can do it in washington dc without that approval which is
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one of the kind of crazy left-wing legal theories going around create 177 states or something
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150 states out of uh out of washington dc you get 150 liberal states that will approve all of your
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amendments and then you can amend the constitution at will
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this is like a legitimate thing was proposing the harvard law review
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do you really think the american people would stand for that
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it's hard to imagine that that's not like almost like civil war causing
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that's civil war cause that's because that's just a total i mean it's technically in theory
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constitutional and you only need three out of four if that's what if that's the game played i would
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not recognize the government that would do that as as a constitution as remember governments are
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instituted among men to protect these rights right so this would be trampling them trampling and to the
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point of that a state of like a normal u.s state would be like two blocks in washington dc
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and they would carve it out so they were all left-wing states because you know it's 90 vote democrat
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anyway carve it out so it's all left-wing states and then they could approve only washington dc could
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change the laws that's something harvard said yeah it's like donald trump you know sitting on the
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crapper at 3 a.m going this is gonna drive them nuts yeah i mean i think that's somebody at harvard
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just trolling i don't think it's a legitimate reality right however it is theoretically possible
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and being proposed obviously by serious people in the harvard law review and it has some support i
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mean you know also people like vox supported it vox was like you know we don't agree with this plan
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to to uh institute another 130 states in washington dc should be 150 because then you don't have to
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depend on any of the other states the bottom line legislation here in uh west virginia in the spirit
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of conciliation the legislature legislature of west virginia hereby extends an invitation to our
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fellow virginians who wish to do so to join us in our noble experiment of 156 years of separation from
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robbie suave is a senior editor at reason reason.com he's got a great article out now a year ago the
01:30:07.560
media mangled the covington catholic story but what happened next was even worse welcome robbie how are
01:30:12.400
you i'm great thanks for having me you bet so so make this case it's fascinating
01:30:18.560
sure so uh so it's a year later and uh i was looking back at you know the story what people said
01:30:26.600
how it kind of all happened this was obviously a big story for me i was one of the first to kind
01:30:31.380
of see the full footage and uh and kind of and try to reverse this narrative that had taken hold
01:30:36.280
right um anyway what struck me is that you know there's so the mainstream media has attracted a lot
01:30:42.040
of well-deserved criticism for reporting this story and getting it wrong outlets like washington
01:30:48.000
post cnn etc that have subsequently been sued by nicholas sandman etc um but what i what i was struck by
01:30:55.980
looking back on this again is those outlets so certainly deserve blame they got it wrong
01:31:01.640
but they did um they did reverse course when it was called out um there were so many uh more
01:31:09.160
ideological writers pundits etc who who not only did not apologize they continue to defiantly assist
01:31:17.320
uh insist and probably due to this day that the initial media coverage was correct there were people
01:31:23.360
who went looking for facts that had nothing to do with all of this um you know oh well years ago at
01:31:30.700
a covington basketball game is this someone in blackface and it wasn't but even if it was it would
01:31:36.740
have had nothing to do with whether nicholas sandman had harassed uh this native american man
01:31:42.220
so i was more i almost feel like we've forgotten that side of it a little bit in the focus on um how
01:31:49.540
irresponsible the kind of more mainstream coverage was so first of all let's talk about the mainstream
01:31:54.580
coverage for just a second and what's happening to them any idea any guess what cnn settled for
01:32:01.140
uh i i have asked people there i've tried to find out this information um no one knows my just wild
01:32:10.960
guess would be like two or three million dollars um it would surprise me if they paid more than five
01:32:17.160
wow that's what that's what stew says i would be surprised if it was not in double digits or i mean
01:32:22.520
in eight digits um i just well i just my frame of reference here is the role is rolling stone uh the
01:32:29.980
lawsuits from the university of virginia gang rape that right years ago right and that and and honestly
01:32:36.360
that was a stronger case uh because rolling stone's uh wrongdoing was was actually more egregious
01:32:42.800
um and they you know that was million a couple million dollars we should point out robbie was
01:32:47.500
also uh one of the guys leading that uh truth-telling uh ability there because i mean without without you
01:32:54.320
robbie i don't know we would have ever had the truth on either one of these two stories so thank
01:32:59.080
you for doing that that was uh it's important work uh thank you you know it was it was my pleasure to
01:33:04.820
really get to the truth of these things and i don't you know i'm not it wasn't like i was so
01:33:08.400
ideologically invested in these either of these stories i just sat down to write something and then
01:33:12.880
you start looking at the other information available and and both times i started thinking
01:33:17.460
oh wow there's a lot more to this that people haven't really picked up on yet so robbie i mean
01:33:22.460
just look let's just look at today where joe biden came out and issued a memo yesterday to the news
01:33:29.160
media that said fall in line it's uh worse than a journalistic malpractice if you say that there's
01:33:37.980
anything at all to these uh conspiracy theories on any wrongdoing by me or my son in ukraine
01:33:46.160
and they're taking it they're taking it they're there the media is not outraged by that how do we
01:33:55.220
how do we even have hope for the truth in a with a media like this i mean that's the problem right
01:34:02.740
the problem is uh we have divided i think into two tribes quite neatly there's there's trump tribe
01:34:09.960
and there's media tribe and so the media are not uh the the illusion i think to some degree this
01:34:16.180
always was an illusion right that they're objective gatekeepers and just kind of call you know calling
01:34:21.320
it like they see it and they're not taking sides and they're fair and down the middle that is that is
01:34:25.980
over and to to some degree they're not even claiming that or they're not not as strongly even
01:34:32.100
claiming that they're in the opposition camp and so all things that happened all developments all
01:34:38.020
all stories news must be must be segmented must be put in either how does this you know how does
01:34:44.540
this help trump if you're a pro-trump person or or how is this is how does this help and defend the
01:34:48.880
media the media is the opposition party so that's not surprising to see candidates who represent the
01:34:54.820
media party explicitly calling for them to you know to kind of serve on the front lines of of a war on
01:35:01.880
trump because that is that is the role uh they are suggesting that they are going to play not not
01:35:07.040
everyone not all of them but but a lot more than it used to be so 2024 i think is when historically the
01:35:14.520
pendulum should start shifting back uh towards some sanity um do you see an appetite at all for
01:35:22.420
the truth where the chips fall i mean i don't i present i try to present the truth but i am also
01:35:29.760
an opinion guy i'm not news i don't know of uh of anybody who is uh who is huge mainstream that would
01:35:41.820
even consider taking on no let the chips fall where they may who's doing that i mean that's a that's a
01:35:50.600
problem right uh the the kind of i think um scaring people cells or worrying people that uh that a lot
01:35:59.180
of this is even not ideological but just things are worse than ever and then there's an ideological
01:36:03.320
component right that we live in and like a more racist and more sexist and more homophobic etc etc
01:36:09.280
society so then of course when something like covington happens that confirms your thinking because
01:36:14.700
you're looking for it because you're thinking these are this is the worst of all times and we've
01:36:18.520
degraded as a society etc you know i see all the time again i'll look like cnn washington post
01:36:25.000
reporting things like hate crimes are higher than ever so if you actually dig into the statistics i
01:36:29.920
really have they don't they don't even begin to prove that that's true and it actually seems quite
01:36:34.700
ridiculous if you think of how far we've come as a country on many of these fronts uh but they're
01:36:40.000
they're scaring you with these headlines all the time to to worry you into thinking the world is such a
01:36:44.760
bad place but i remember i had to see if you remember this i think it was the the editor of
01:36:51.120
the san francisco examiner very left and i had him on the show because he said uh glenn beck is a
01:36:59.300
journalist blah blah blah and uh and in some way in a weird way he was kind of almost endorsing that
01:37:05.900
you know journalistic credibility and i had him on the air and i said i'm an opinion maker i try to take
01:37:12.760
the facts and do my own homework but then what i present is an opinion he said that's a journalist
01:37:19.220
i said no that's not a journalist and there was this weird conversation where i had a journalist
01:37:24.740
trying to convince me that i was a journalist and i'm not but now you know you just you just said it
01:37:31.740
there is no difference between the truth that you get from cnn well let me use this brian stelter
01:37:40.040
last week just had on reliable sources media matters
01:37:49.100
so these people who cut yeah they cut video clips and of people saying things and they make it look
01:37:57.380
like it's really bad and then and then i i've learned now i have to go back and watch the full
01:38:01.560
clip right if you're missing a very important segment of what uh of what whoever it is just said
01:38:07.520
you know it kind of goes to question your article um because you said you know the other media was
01:38:14.020
even worse are they separate anymore is there an opinion media and cnn are they different
01:38:24.380
i think social media has made has eroded this distinction because you have people um who are
01:38:32.660
supposedly straight news objective reporters who don't have opinions and of course everyone has
01:38:37.620
opinions so this is this was almost always a little silly sure then you can see what they're saying on
01:38:42.620
twitter um you know they're neat you're getting their knee-jerk unedited reactions to news to things
01:38:48.320
like covington or whatever or like just jussie smollett and they're you know they're they're they're
01:38:52.960
falling over themselves about how horrible this is and you know smearing anyone who even is slightly
01:38:57.720
skeptical of it not in the news story that they're going to write for their paper but on their social
01:39:02.120
media feed so then you're seeing you know what they really think what has not been what has not
01:39:06.620
been uh worked on by an editor and almost that's clarifying and it's like it's like a good thing that
01:39:12.720
was allowed to happen because now there's there can be no more delusions about this yeah and you go
01:39:16.840
into a lot of this great examples in your story i mean some people who are saying how punchable
01:39:22.040
nick sandman's faces um you go through a ton of them one in particular who i believe referred to
01:39:27.560
you as a professional contrarian which is quite the title um but they went on to say even after all
01:39:34.580
of this footage came out not only was it uh was it wrong to change your mind on the story and think
01:39:41.120
that you know these kids didn't really do anything you were a sellout if you came out and corrected
01:39:47.400
yourself they actually went after the people who had the courage to correct themselves on the story
01:39:51.580
yeah that's right they were shaming people who said they're sorry and that was really the point
01:39:56.920
of my most recent piece is to say it's you know it's better to be wrong and apologize than to be
01:40:01.820
wrong and and and but insist you weren't wrong and cling to that wrongness and then try to attack
01:40:06.920
people uh for having a a shred of integrity or more integrity than you do yeah that was a a piece
01:40:12.500
at deadspin that was just utterly vile and and deadspin is a is a really kind of mean-spirited place
01:40:18.760
anyway but i was deadspin is or was or was it was right yeah well that was one of the things i
01:40:25.260
wanted to i was interested in uh robbie because when i read i was reading your piece and i hadn't
01:40:29.680
i had missed the initial dead deadspin piece when it came out and i thought to myself gosh you know
01:40:34.680
you make a mistake like that then you double down on it in the nasty way that you cover in the piece
01:40:39.140
i went back and read her piece and thought to myself gosh she must have paid a price for this
01:40:45.020
right like journalistically like in your in your job you probably have a tougher time getting a job
01:40:50.640
no she's gone to a more mainstream outlet and has a better job than she did when she wrote the piece
01:40:56.120
she was rewarded for this behavior and now is that i believe vice and has a nice big role over at vice
01:41:02.100
yes and i remember people at the time a year ago this was share so there were people at slightly
01:41:08.740
more uh mainstream not mainstream but in like an like atlantic type leftist sure more respectable
01:41:14.400
um i remember people sharing that piece and citing that piece in clearly in a way that like
01:41:19.920
this is what i wish i could have said this is how this represents my thinking but i can't get away
01:41:24.500
with that in my position but but so i'll just put this out for you to you know what i mean there
01:41:29.340
was a lot of that yeah a lot of that yeah that's i mean it doesn't surprise me but i mean it's a it
01:41:35.240
is remarkable that someone goes through that you know deadspin obviously uh you know they were a
01:41:40.520
big attitude place and you know obviously went through all of its troubles and is basically
01:41:44.820
you know gone now but to go over to now device which again is not i'm not saying is a mainstream
01:41:50.000
site and it certainly has some of the same characteristics as deadspin but again has shows
01:41:54.240
on hbo and it has these big relationships with advertisers and all this and she gets rewarded for
01:41:59.920
this stuff i mean this is why it's impossible i think for people to take the media seriously
01:42:05.060
when sometimes they do need to take it seriously because this stuff continues to happen over and
01:42:09.000
over robbie what what happens next where do we go from here oh that's a difficult question i mean
01:42:16.760
i would i wish we could have some uh some faith in the media i wish they were more responsible and
01:42:23.080
could earn back the public trust in some cases because a lot of you know i'm a journalist i know a lot
01:42:28.760
of people who do good work um and it it's some i think sometimes it all gets written off because of
01:42:34.080
these high profile total disasters so there needs to be some kind of um settling down or taking a
01:42:42.240
breath or stepping back or i just wish people uh the journalists themselves would would refrain from
01:42:49.060
from having this need to like um tell crazy viral stories without any additional information like
01:42:57.760
i mean the fundamental fact of the covington story is that it wasn't even a story it was a trivial
01:43:02.940
incident between people who were not who had no social significance so there was no reason to
01:43:07.240
write about it in the first place right so that kind of news judgment that privacy matters a little
01:43:12.660
bit that we should not use all the technology we have today to like watch people all the time and
01:43:19.020
and call them out for wrong think i mean that takes an act of personal responsibility on the part of
01:43:23.660
the media that maybe they will get there yeah after not after their response to joe biden's memo where
01:43:30.300
he said step in line and don't don't report on any of this stuff uh i think we're i think we're
01:43:36.600
a ways before they start to turn around and go hey maybe i'm headed in the wrong direction
01:43:39.980
robbie robbie thank you so much robbie suave senior editor at reason.com thanks always great to have
01:43:47.080
you on blender all right steve dace uh recently said that he thinks it's highly possible that bernie
01:43:52.960
sanders is going to get the nod for the democratic primaries i think it is possible that he gets
01:43:57.500
enough of the nod um but uh i can't see him as the candidate i don't think steve sees that either
01:44:04.000
i thought he did say it but but he but he has a lot of structural advantages two very white states
01:44:09.560
one of them one of his neighboring states won a caucus state very good for sanders he's got lots
01:44:14.680
of money lots of uh hardcore support i mean and if he wins the first two he could easily win nevada
01:44:21.080
if he wins the first three is he going to lose the nomination for winning the first three states
01:44:25.620
oh they won't there's a path there look here's what i want to talk to you about if bernie sanders
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i just i i in case you haven't heard the news today we covered it in the first hour
01:46:15.400
but as the impeachment is is going on there's two stories that i think are the main stories coming
01:46:21.480
in and around the impeachment today the first one is schiff is warning on a russian attack
01:46:29.640
on the u.s mainland and that was day two of the senate impeachment trial he actually got up and said
01:46:39.240
um we have to we have to impeach him because removing trump from office is necessary for the
01:46:49.480
integrity of the 2020 election because it can't be assured if he's in office just that statement in
01:46:57.280
and of itself is so damaging to the republic mr uh mr congressman what have you done to put into place
01:47:06.940
any kind of systems to protect our our voting system did you know in in seattle they're going to be the
01:47:15.440
first city they're very progressive the first city that's going to be able to uh uh uh call in your
01:47:22.100
vote you'll be able to do it on an app on your phone so you can vote on your phone in seattle
01:47:27.400
really have we vetted this have we looked at this with all of the hacking and everything else that's a
01:47:34.400
good idea to seattle what has the congress done if he's so concerned about the 2020 election
01:47:41.060
by the way that's a whole new charge they haven't been saying that that's a whole new charge
01:47:47.940
then he said we're not sure but the way this is going with donald trump uh i mean i can't rule out
01:47:58.220
an on land on american soil invasion from russia that's one of the craziest things i've ever
01:48:09.000
they didn't do it during the cold war they're gonna do it now hey adam 1980s called they want
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their foreign policy back red dog you're talking about man that would be a funny way to insult him
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as well as pat gray and leash and stew does america starting in a couple weeks
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so i uh we had uh canis owen on this week who i just think is
01:50:11.380
fantastic and you know i kind of i i remained silent at the beginning with candace because i
01:50:18.160
didn't know who she was i knew that she was a liberal that uh woke up because of trump i thought
01:50:25.560
what she was doing with lexit was was really good and with kanye i mean kanye that's the first time
01:50:31.240
that we started seeing kanye wake up and he's apparently not a conservative what a surprise um but
01:50:38.260
but he doesn't like people telling him what to think and what to say well that kind of is a
01:50:46.240
conservative because that's one of the principles i want to conserve we're all unique we're all
01:50:51.960
individuals and uh and i saw her speak at charlie kirk's conference of turning point usa in uh west palm
01:51:02.580
uh just uh right before christmas and she i think she could be president i really do i think maybe 10
01:51:09.960
years if she continues on this curve her learning curve is almost straight up and she's not afraid
01:51:16.160
to say i don't know but the the message that she has been delivering uh on stage is very powerful
01:51:25.360
and well thought out um and i'm i'm really impressed with her and likewise with charlie kirk charlie kirk did
01:51:34.800
you even know who he was five years ago uh no yeah i don't think i did charlie kirk is a guy who
01:51:40.320
grew up watching me on on fox and he and his family would watch the show every day together
01:51:47.060
and he said that he understood by the end of it that you can do things you're empowered and you can
01:51:55.700
do things and so when he got into uh his last year of high school he started a group and that's turned
01:52:02.860
now into turning point usa which is wouldn't you say now the biggest youth uh political organization
01:52:14.020
out there yeah i probably would say that the most influential currently for sure and he is i mean he
01:52:20.880
is he's really challenging in many ways cpac i mean it is they're completely different in so many ways
01:52:29.140
but he is he's he's done with the youth what cpac has done for a very long time for conservatives
01:52:37.280
of any age and there's some other good youth organizations as well on the conservative side but
01:52:41.420
i mean turning point has been has made a big huge big amount of noise yeah so i've gotten to know
01:52:47.080
charlie uh really well uh as well here in the last year or so and uh when we sat down in west palm
01:52:55.300
i had asked i thought i had asked to interview him for my podcast he was under the understanding that
01:53:03.140
i had been asked to be on his podcast and he was going to interview me and so we decided you know we're
01:53:09.880
like i you don't want to spend two hours doing two different shows like we're both like no and so
01:53:18.500
we decided let's just interview each other and we'll both use it on our podcast so this is the first time
01:53:24.240
that charlie kirk's podcast is available elsewhere and my podcast is available elsewhere um they're
01:53:31.700
releasing it today so normally we release our podcast on saturday but we're going to release it
01:53:35.800
today as well uh it is um me with charlie kirk and this particular clip um is him asking me a question
01:53:47.120
so i am responding about america and the american ideal everyone has to be able to fall everyone has
01:53:57.420
to be able to bleed everyone has to be able to succeed because it's about the individual not the group
01:54:04.940
and so well said skeptics will say but that's doomed to fail because of the law of hierarchies
01:54:12.620
so that you'll have so many people in the competence hierarchy that will get so good and will only
01:54:18.260
multiply their wealth and multiply it and over time the mob will be created no matter what what is it's
01:54:26.240
it's a more it's a more pessimistic way to look at it and i'm saying i believe it what is our mission
01:54:30.780
statement as a country yeah that's how i would articulate it yeah boy i would go back to the
01:54:38.680
american trinity which is liberty in god we trust e pluribus unum which means out of many one and also
01:54:45.480
to be able to live free and make choices you see fit as long as they don't hurt somebody else
01:54:50.920
so may i take that in that was that was on that was on right right on the on the fly may i take what
01:54:55.700
you just please go ahead and rip it apart it yeah no no it's right let me restate it a little more
01:55:01.160
eloquently we hold these truths to be self-evident that all men are created equal and endowed by their
01:55:10.520
creator with certain unalienable rights and among these rights life liberty and the pursuit of
01:55:15.260
happiness and governments are instituted among men to protect those rights okay that is the greatest
01:55:24.080
mission statement of all time thank you john luck and and everyone says well yeah well we never achieved
01:55:31.800
it yeah we haven't we haven't do you realize that aspirational statement those founders that wrote
01:55:41.520
that said i believe man can do this that's like john f kennedy my my father was born in 1926
01:55:49.260
and and we talked about the moon launch um and i said what was that like and he said son you have
01:55:55.300
no idea when i was growing up we didn't think we could go to the moon nobody even talked about it we
01:56:02.040
didn't even think about it we didn't even have electricity the moon was just there and we were
01:56:07.520
here and there's no way we're ever going to go to the moon john f kennedy says we're going to go to
01:56:14.840
the moon we're going to put men on it and we're going to return them home by the end of this decade
01:56:22.140
everybody thought that's insane we did it we did it okay this is the biggest idea any man has ever
01:56:34.920
had any group of people wow what we do is we just say we suck instead of saying wait a minute we we
01:56:44.360
failed but have you seen the progress over here have you seen this person this group have you seen
01:56:49.760
what these people have done and promote the general welfare and domestic tranquility by saying look at
01:57:01.300
it goes doesn't answer his basic question in this clip about yeah but there's going to be people left
01:57:10.840
yes and no yes and no we are in a place now where we could very easily see oligarchs of literal
01:57:25.420
biblical proportions as long as you're talking about the last chapter of the new testament
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uh the the oligarchs that could be created now through technology uh could be unstoppable and the rest of us
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are playing for scraps especially if they can take the technology they can take whatever anybody's
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working on and they can sell it and make it better and and not have to worry about it
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because they have scale and nobody could ever achieve scale then we become serfs again but that's not been
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our history our history is yes rich people get rich but then somebody else invite and invent something
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else and those people uh also uh become rich and you know a generation down the line those other people
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they fall to the side we're we're just living right now in another vanderbilt age we're living in the age now
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of really the 1880s to 1930 we're living in that era where everything is about to change and most people don't
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understand that and that's where these these these people like oh the asters oh my gosh and the carnegies
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i gotta tell you carnegie hall carnegie library who who did he think he was
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man putting his name on all of these great places around that you know were benefiting society what an
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we're just living in this time and what has to happen is self-regulation that's the part that our
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founders warned us about this this system is completely uh unable to manage uh or to i should say
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not manage a group of people that have no morals that have that don't have an understanding of
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something bigger than them to answer to that is not controlled by man god they don't this system will
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not work so i guess the answer to charlie's question is we must we must recognize there's something
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bigger than us something bigger than man that doles out these rights and we have a responsibility
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never never enslave people's minds never in enslave them by by stealing their bread or their ideas
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so stew could we just talk a little bit about china
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i'm surprised this is not all you're talking about well i've been mr catastrophist i've been
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in the hospital with my daughter she just got out of the hospital yesterday doing better uh doing
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much better is this this phase there are two more phases left she had brain surgery in case you don't
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know um and uh she's going in for one more test that's amazing that we can even do it it's called a
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wada test you should look it up they put one half of the brain to sleep and then they wake that one up
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and put the other half of the brain to sleep while she's awake i i mean i it's happening in or and
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they won't let me but i would love to see that test done um but uh assuming that goes uh well and what
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we we're hoping she'll go in uh this spring for one more surgery probably a full craniotomy that's
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actually what we're hoping for um and uh it will give her a good chance of not having seizures
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incredible and she has she has them all the time now she's having seizures that we didn't even know
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were seizures they were like uh it's worse than we thought it was so but anyway but it's good it's
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all good um but so i've been not paying attention that much to except for impeachment and i've been
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watching this china thing and it's it started out like yeah it's really bad but it's a bad flu you
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know it's just affecting you know the elderly so god forbid keep the entire democratic uh primary
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leaders in a plastic bubble um but that's what they were saying and then like last night it was
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like it's starting to mutate okay mutate into what uh and it's spreading faster than we thought
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they've closed down now four cities not allowing anybody to leave these four cities one of them
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is the size of manhattan bigger than new york city is what they're saying it's 11 million people
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that is insane and that's just one of the four cities and they said that they think it came from
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um one of the places it came from was a particular uh you know it was a place you might go in a market
02:04:49.560
to get some food you know just a little market now it's sold some things a little bit off offbeat
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i don't even want to know uh snake okay uh they think it may have come from snake or bat soup bat
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soup i had a friend well you you have them too uh david hall who was a heavy guy until he went to
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china he was doing work in china he had to live there for about a month and a half and he ate nothing
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he loved the he loved the food the first day and he said glenn trust me if you ever go do not make
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this mistake do not ask them what it is he said i asked them what it was and then i went to the
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market i'm like what's that what's that what's that and uh he said you'll now you won't eat yeah and
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he lost like a hundred pounds he had nothing he had nothing but bottled water anyway um so so this
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i mean screening now at major u.s airports we should mention that the first case in the united
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states has shown up as well in washington seattle yeah uh okay so there are 583 confirmed cases there
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have been 17 deaths that's higher than the flu and they're saying that they what do they know that
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we don't know i mean they're telling you what they know why their actions aren't they they think
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yes yes but they're at the same time they're like well you know it's just a bad flu excuse me
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we had an ebola breakout yeah it ended up here in dallas yep and you didn't monitor all the airports
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they do think that this is the first time they've done these things since the ebola breakout however
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the china situation when you're closing down these gigantic cities it's unprecedented they've never done
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it now they've probably done it to murder a bunch of people because they don't weren't
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communist enough that's one thing they slaughtered entire cities but they haven't yeah they don't
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close them down hey all you people are gonna live it's all gonna be fine don't worry about it
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you imagine me on the other side of that fence you're like oh good god they're gonna kill us all
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yeah i mean all of a sudden all the population from these cities keep funneling into the uyghur camps
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and i want to know i really want to know what is the deal how can a population that is always in a
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surgical mask this is a chicken and egg situation they're in a surgical mask because every other day
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they have a new crazy flu you're getting this confused i think all of their crazy flus are
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coming from the surgical masks you're listening to glenn beck