The Glenn Beck Program - BONUS EPISODE ｜ Guest： Bill Maher

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00:00:04.280 Hey, it's Glenn Beck.

00:00:05.880 Today I wanted to bring your attention to something a little different.

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00:00:11.640 We need to share the voices that we trust.

00:00:15.400 I trust two voices immensely, Megan Kelly and Tucker Carlson.

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00:00:31.260 Today's show is the Megan Kelly Show, hosted by the one and only Megan Kelly.

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00:01:04.800 So without further ado, here's the one and only, my good friend, Megan Kelly.

00:01:09.760 Hey, everyone. I'm Megan Kelly.

00:01:11.360 Welcome to The Megan Kelly Show.

00:01:12.640 And we've got a treat for you today.

00:01:15.200 Joining me now is someone I've been wanting to interview on this program for years.

00:01:19.760 He is one of the sharpest political commentators around, someone who's not afraid to take risks

00:01:25.380 and has been politically incorrect for decades before it was cool.

00:01:30.000 And whether you love him or hate him, you pay attention to him.

00:01:32.680 Joining me today is Bill Maher.

00:01:34.520 He's author of the brand new book that's just out today, What This Comedian Said Will Shock You.

00:01:40.560 He's also host of the long-running show Real Time with Bill Maher on HBO.

00:01:45.040 Bill, welcome.

00:01:48.360 I'm going to say that book title is a lot funnier when you see it because it's supposed to mock clickbait.

00:01:53.700 Of course. I got it immediately.

00:01:54.940 Okay, I know.

00:01:55.520 But I've had book titles that went right over the heads of a lot of the audience.

00:01:58.760 This is the tease we used on Fox News for about two decades without the words comedian.

00:02:04.120 What you hear next will shuck you.

00:02:06.080 Right. Exactly.

00:02:08.160 I thought I would bring it to the book world.

00:02:09.880 No, I used to joke that once you start talking in teases, you've been in TV too long.

00:02:15.020 Right.

00:02:15.380 But I had a book, a new rules book out about 15 years ago, and the subtitle was A Polite Musings from a Timid Observer,

00:02:21.700 which I thought was hysterically funny, but every disc jockey in America did not get it.

00:02:27.460 They just took it.

00:02:28.340 I was like, okay, now that was understatement and it's supposed to be satire, but never mind.

00:02:32.840 Stay with me.

00:02:33.020 I'll just do a straight title next time.

00:02:35.300 So my favorite new rules ever comes from about, I want to say about 15 years ago, and it was from the book.

00:02:41.380 When did that book hit?

00:02:43.320 There was one out in 2005 and I think 2010.

00:02:47.020 Of course, those are new rules books.

00:02:49.220 I call them toilet books because you can read them on the toilet.

00:02:52.580 New rules are very different than this book.

00:02:55.340 This book is from the editorials.

00:02:57.500 Now, I really redid all of them.

00:02:59.460 I mean, I worked like – I could never have done this without the strike, the strike that we had last year,

00:03:03.480 gave me the time to do this, but this is much more of a real book.

00:03:07.920 The new rules books were fun, but new rules are short.

00:03:11.020 They're punchy.

00:03:11.940 They can be about anything.

00:03:13.080 They're not always serious.

00:03:14.760 It's just – they're very random.

00:03:16.920 And, you know, again, you can pick it up on the toilet and read three or four of them and that's that.

00:03:21.660 This is a real book.

00:03:24.060 Not that the other words weren't real books.

00:03:26.120 What was I lured into in my previous purchases?

00:03:28.980 Jesus.

00:03:29.220 No, they were fun, but I feel like this one I'm more proud of than any book I ever did.

00:03:34.440 Yeah.

00:03:34.660 So, speaking of the toilet, my favorite new rule was, new rule, stop giving tickets to blind people for not picking up after their dogs.

00:03:42.900 You see, they would, but they can't see shit.

00:03:47.320 Yeah.

00:03:48.200 Right.

00:03:48.880 That was the new rules book.

00:03:51.160 They're funny and punchy, but this one I think people should treat like the Bible.

00:03:56.180 I think they should put it by their nightstand and read passages each night, and I think it'll help you through your life.

00:04:01.900 Well, in part, it's a diagnosis of what's going on with us right now.

00:04:06.120 And in part, to me, it picks up on something you said to me.

00:04:08.900 Shortly before I came on your show, after my own cancellation at NBC, and you said, you seem to me, privately, you said, you seem to me kind of like me right now, which is somebody without a political home.

00:04:22.080 Sure.

00:04:22.160 I felt that way, and I still feel that way.

00:04:24.660 I mean, I've been a registered and impendent forever, but I know exactly what you're saying.

00:04:27.600 Just the world's lost its mind, and I certainly would never put on somebody's team jersey anymore.

00:04:32.080 Right.

00:04:32.240 Without a team.

00:04:33.500 Yep.

00:04:33.700 Right.

00:04:34.620 And you know what?

00:04:35.380 I like it that way, because I don't want to be a part of a team.

00:04:38.480 I mean, I would say I caucus with the Democrats more.

00:04:41.640 I definitely think the right wing is much more dangerous.

00:04:45.000 They don't believe in democracy anymore, and they threw their lot in with a sociopath named Donald Trump.

00:04:51.300 So, you know, no, he's not.

00:04:53.800 No, no.

00:04:54.160 I just like, I want to talk about your feelings on Trump.

00:04:56.720 Yeah.

00:04:57.040 Well, there you go.

00:04:58.420 But this is how, so you and I are very similar.

00:05:00.460 I feel like you're kind of a four and I'm a six on the ideological scale.

00:05:03.580 We have a lot of overlap, but you're definitely still going to vote Democrat, and I'm definitely going to vote Republican.

00:05:08.900 But there's enough commonality to make us shake our heads yes when the other one speaks a lot.

00:05:13.760 So you're going to vote for Trump?

00:05:15.000 I am going to vote for Trump, yeah.

00:05:16.280 Yeah.

00:05:16.620 I mean, I can't even understand that, and I understand that Biden is deeply flawed, but he does believe in our way of life.

00:05:25.440 And, you know, I mean, I was the one who was saying from the very beginning when everyone was laughing at me that Donald Trump will never give up power, and he didn't.

00:05:33.240 He still hasn't conceded the last election.

00:05:35.020 I don't know what could possibly be more fundamental to you or anyone than you have to concede elections.

00:05:42.160 And he hasn't conceded the last one.

00:05:44.280 He's plainly not going to concede this one.

00:05:46.480 He now has all of his sycophants around him parroting his party line, which is when they ask them, will you abide by the election results?

00:05:56.320 Yes, if it's a free and fair election, which is another way of saying if we win.

00:06:00.740 You really think this is a place this country should be?

00:06:02.940 Mm-hmm.

00:06:03.520 I'm not going to defend the election denialism.

00:06:06.120 I'm not one of those people who believes that.

00:06:07.740 But what's more important?

00:06:08.540 What kind of country do we have?

00:06:09.860 How about my daughter not going into a locker room and seeing a man's penis?

00:06:13.260 That's important, too.

00:06:14.300 Very.

00:06:14.980 How about young men on college campuses getting due process when they get accused falsely of rape?

00:06:19.120 Well, yeah.

00:06:20.400 I think that's a false equivalency.

00:06:22.000 I think these things are-

00:06:22.760 Bullshit.

00:06:22.980 What do you mean?

00:06:23.560 I think these things are important, but you can handle these things through the normal due process of our system.

00:06:32.780 But if we lose the system itself, come on.

00:06:35.460 But we didn't.

00:06:36.580 We didn't so far.

00:06:38.060 He tried it.

00:06:38.820 It failed.

00:06:39.200 Right.

00:06:40.440 And now he's had four years to put in place people who will make it work again.

00:06:44.420 I don't know if there'll be a John Raftenberger in Georgia, a noble Republican who stood up to him.

00:06:50.580 He thought last time that he could count on someone being just a Republican to do his bidding.

00:06:57.660 And what he found out was that there are a lot of decent people who are Republicans, which is something I'm trying to tell the Democrats all the time.

00:07:04.680 You can't hate- you can hate Trump.

00:07:06.560 You can't hate everybody who likes him.

00:07:08.160 And you certainly can't hate half the country.

00:07:10.280 And Republicans is not a byword for bad people.

00:07:14.560 And a lot of them stood up.

00:07:16.200 I mean, even ones who I don't like very much, Mitt Romney, McConnell, obviously Liz Cheney, Chris Christie.

00:07:26.360 There were Mike Pence.

00:07:29.820 These are what I call as good as it gets Republicans for the people who don't like Republicans.

00:07:35.160 They full-throatedly said Trump lost that election.

00:07:39.500 No two ways about it.

00:07:41.300 McConnell said it wasn't even a particularly close election.

00:07:44.300 A lot of people said it.

00:07:45.040 A lot of people said it.

00:07:45.760 But look, I agree with you that the majority of the Republican Party doesn't believe that.

00:07:49.660 But I do think there's a difference between it was stolen, you know, the nonsense with Dominion voting machines and all that, versus it wasn't fair.

00:08:00.140 What wasn't fair?

00:08:02.040 Oh my, don't get me started.

00:08:03.520 What wasn't fair?

00:08:04.560 How about the suppression of the Hunter Biden left-tack story?

00:08:07.040 Just for one.

00:08:07.960 Oh, for fuck's sake.

00:08:09.380 Really?

00:08:10.500 Oh, then we're not as alike as you think.

00:08:14.060 Okay.

00:08:14.400 That's a stupid non-story.

00:08:16.520 I mean, yes.

00:08:17.040 There are polls that show some 10% to 12% of the electorate says they would have changed their mind had they seen it, had they known about it.

00:08:23.700 It wasn't right to suppress it, but nobody gives a fuck about Hunter Biden's dick.

00:08:30.340 Nobody.

00:08:31.140 You're talking about yourself.

00:08:32.440 I'm telling you, there are data to show people did care.

00:08:35.920 They said they would have changed their vote.

00:08:37.720 Nobody who was going to vote for Trump anyway, or Biden anyway.

00:08:42.820 I mean-

00:08:43.260 It wasn't about Hunter Biden's man parts.

00:08:45.480 It was about the scandal of his corruption and his dad's corruption.

00:08:50.600 Bill, I used to think that Hunter Biden was a hot mess and Joe Biden was embarrassed by him but had to deal.

00:08:56.840 Now I really think he was doing Joe Biden's bidding.

00:08:59.940 Joe Biden is the bad guy who sent his drug-addled son out there to collect money.

00:09:05.600 That's what the laptop shows.

00:09:07.780 And that's more important than what I was bringing up about not abiding by election results, not respecting what always made this country great, the peaceful transference of power.

00:09:19.000 See, I don't disagree with you on that.

00:09:20.260 You're not going to get me to say it was a great thing the way Trump behaved.

00:09:22.760 I don't have to get you to agree or disagree.

00:09:24.600 You're obviously someone who looks at an elephant and a mouse and cannot tell which one is bigger.

00:09:29.420 I disagree.

00:09:30.500 I think that's projection by you because I look at Joe Biden.

00:09:33.540 No, I mean, that's how I see you.

00:09:34.320 Well, let's talk about-

00:09:35.960 Why are you telling me this?

00:09:37.480 I mean, this is just typical right-wing talking points.

00:09:41.680 The evil Hunter Biden and the evil Joe Biden.

00:09:45.860 And look, do I like them?

00:09:47.560 No, I don't particularly like them.

00:09:48.880 I think they're very flawed.

00:09:50.000 Listen, listen.

00:09:50.320 It's not nearly on the scale.

00:09:52.260 You're misstating my argument.

00:09:53.540 You're misstating my argument.

00:09:54.640 Hunter Biden just now on the laptop was brought up as evidence of how the election was not fair.

00:09:59.580 He's not a reason necessarily to not vote for Joe Biden.

00:10:02.940 The reason not to vote for Joe Biden is his policies.

00:10:06.160 You're not woke.

00:10:07.240 He's as woke, or at least his policies are, as they come.

00:10:10.220 The open border bill?

00:10:12.040 How could anybody vote for somebody who keeps this border open with the number of rapes and the number of murders and the numbers of crimes going on with these immigrants?

00:10:20.260 But again, these are the normal sorts of issues we've always had in this country that should be taken care of through the normal process we've had.

00:10:29.800 You're talking about the difference between this and something fundamental, which is our democracy.

00:10:37.720 The fact that you have to respect who wins an election, or else you don't have the kind of country we've always had before.

00:10:46.040 How about...

00:10:46.620 I mean, I feel like we keep going around the rose bush about this, and we're not going to make any progress, so let's stop talking about it.

00:10:54.140 But, you know...

00:10:55.960 I just, I mean, you keep saying sort of, I'm nuts, because I don't see the difference between the elephant and the mouse, and I'm telling you, I identify them differently than you do.

00:11:03.460 Hillary Clinton, of course, is the original election denier.

00:11:06.220 I'm sure you voted for her in 16.

00:11:08.000 Well, she's not an election denier.

00:11:09.700 She absolutely was the OG election denier.

00:11:12.240 She, first of all, she came out before the sun had risen to concede the election to Trump.

00:11:19.700 And then spent the next four years saying he was illegitimate.

00:11:23.180 He was an illegitimate president.

00:11:24.840 She, okay, well, first of all, saying, she didn't say he was an illegitimate...

00:11:28.840 Yeah, she did.

00:11:29.280 You tell me exactly what she said.

00:11:30.800 She said those exact words repeatedly.

00:11:32.600 Okay, I mean, she conceded the election.

00:11:37.320 Whether you're interpreting her disappointment at losing it as the same thing as Trump not conceding it, I don't know if that's where you're getting it from.

00:11:48.560 But again, it's a tremendous false equivalency.

00:11:51.400 You could ask Hillary Clinton right now, who won that election?

00:11:54.400 She will tell you.

00:11:55.440 Donald Trump won the election.

00:11:56.580 Now she knows she has to because of what Trump has done.

00:11:59.560 She came out that night.

00:12:00.960 She conceded the election.

00:12:02.720 In her dark purple suit and conceded the election.

00:12:05.080 And then spent the next four years trying to convince us it was not legitimate.

00:12:09.300 Just saying, look, it's not the same as Trump.

00:12:10.980 What Trump did was far more severe.

00:12:13.280 I'm not going to deny that.

00:12:14.540 But don't try to tell me that Hillary Clinton wasn't an election denier and Jamie Raskin and a whole host of Democrats who are now in prominent positions on Capitol Hill.

00:12:23.140 Doesn't make it great what Trump did, but they don't have clean hands either.

00:12:27.400 But you bypass the immigration question.

00:12:29.320 I'm not bypassing it.

00:12:31.260 I think it's a disaster.

00:12:32.520 So how would you put this guy back in there for four more years to leave the doors open?

00:12:36.540 And like it was so much better under Trump?

00:12:38.780 Yes, it was better under Trump.

00:12:40.360 Are you kidding me?

00:12:41.020 It was somewhat better.

00:12:42.360 Oh, Bill.

00:12:42.980 It was somewhat better.

00:12:44.160 Go look up the immigration rates.

00:12:45.740 Yeah, I know.

00:12:46.120 Illegal immigration rates.

00:12:47.060 I agree.

00:12:47.440 For 2020, for 19 to 20.

00:12:49.680 I'm not defending Biden on immigration.

00:12:51.680 I don't understand why it's so difficult in this country to stop people coming through the border.

00:12:57.140 I don't.

00:12:57.700 And I watched that 60 Minutes piece.

00:13:00.300 They did on it a couple of months ago.

00:13:01.720 And they had films of people coming through this hole and the border patrol just watching them and basically waving.

00:13:10.360 I don't understand why.

00:13:12.100 I don't understand why this country can't accomplish something like that.

00:13:15.160 It doesn't seem like it's impossible.

00:13:17.500 But so many things in this country.

00:13:18.580 That's what's so aggravating.

00:13:19.840 We can accomplish it.

00:13:20.720 We can we can stop what's happening at the southern border.

00:13:23.120 We just won't under Joe Biden.

00:13:24.900 And he keeps pretending like he has no agency on it.

00:13:27.280 But he does have agency.

00:13:28.420 There are a lot of executive orders he could do just like Trump did.

00:13:31.160 He won't.

00:13:32.200 And you know why?

00:13:33.200 It's because of the people who use the word latinx who are trying to lecture him that it's not humane to enforce our borders.

00:13:40.560 Yeah, I would agree with that.

00:13:41.620 The left wing, because they're so afraid always of being called racist, they let that color every issue and very often wind up with terrible policies that wind up not helping people of color.

00:13:58.460 Don't you think that's what's happening to him on the trans issue, too, which is my big issue that I mentioned off the front?

00:14:02.840 Well, I think what Joe Biden is is a guy who does not want to fight with the left wing of his party.

00:14:07.220 He sees that as I don't think he understands a lot of what's going on in the left wing.

00:14:12.440 I mean, I don't doubt if he heard the word trans before he was president.

00:14:17.720 But that's that's what he has chosen to do.

00:14:21.080 He does not want to fight with AOC.

00:14:22.780 He thinks that's where the energy in the party is.

00:14:24.740 And he's not completely wrong.

00:14:26.000 So he just kind of goes along with that kind of stuff.

00:14:29.700 Yeah, that's that's one thing that's not great about him.

00:14:32.440 But again, in this country, maybe gender is not binary, but politics is you only get two choices.

00:14:39.180 That's right.

00:14:39.660 You get Donald Trump, a criminal election denier who is going to transform this country into an authoritarian place like we've never seen before.

00:14:50.000 Or you get Joe Biden with all his flaws, also a criminal.

00:14:55.380 OK, well, what is his crime again?

00:14:57.560 Special Counsel Robert Hurst said he committed felonies, but he wouldn't indict him because he was a well-meaning elderly man with a poor memory.

00:15:03.900 He couldn't get a conviction in front of a jury.

00:15:06.660 And what was that crime?

00:15:08.360 That was the classified documents all over his basement, his garage everywhere.

00:15:12.920 Well, OK, again, a false equivalency.

00:15:15.700 They both had classified documents.

00:15:17.280 Here's the difference.

00:15:18.020 Because immediately, Biden, he shouldn't have had them.

00:15:21.300 Immediately, he said, oh, sorry, my bad, and gave them back.

00:15:24.760 That's why he didn't get charged with obstruction.

00:15:26.900 But Trump has two classified documents, pieces to his case.

00:15:30.360 One is you had them.

00:15:31.560 And the second is you obstructed justice when we demanded them back.

00:15:34.520 So, OK, against Biden, you don't get charged with obstruction.

00:15:37.360 But number one, where's the where's the classified documents charged against him?

00:15:40.160 He's also a felon.

00:15:43.700 You got your story.

00:15:44.880 You know, look, if you see it that way, that's what I have to deal with.

00:15:50.560 Just tell you, you're asking me why I see it differently than you do.

00:15:53.920 The contest between the two of them, and I'm telling you.

00:15:56.120 It's not convincing.

00:15:56.980 It's fair enough.

00:15:58.200 I mean, they both should not have had classified documents.

00:16:01.840 One by the toilet, one by his Corvette.

00:16:04.640 OK?

00:16:05.140 One?

00:16:06.620 One.

00:16:07.500 Multiple.

00:16:08.360 Many.

00:16:08.760 No, I'm talking about one person.

00:16:10.200 OK.

00:16:10.440 One of them.

00:16:11.240 OK.

00:16:11.580 I'll copy.

00:16:12.040 Right.

00:16:12.300 One Trump, one Biden.

00:16:14.120 They both did that.

00:16:15.540 The difference is Goofus and Gallant.

00:16:17.800 Goofus said, anything I touch is mine forever.

00:16:21.260 Go fish.

00:16:22.520 And the other one said, oh, yeah, my bad.

00:16:26.020 And I'll immediately return them.

00:16:27.720 That's very funny.

00:16:28.420 You're taking me back to my childhood with that reference.

00:16:30.080 But why can't the difference be one actually had the ability to declassify documents and keep them because he'd been the president and one didn't because he should have been looking at documents only in a skiff while a sitting U.S. senator.

00:16:43.940 And clearly he stole classified documents that he wasn't entitled to and never had the ability to declassify them.

00:16:51.280 Yeah.

00:16:53.240 Maybe you know more about that than I do.

00:16:55.140 I don't remember that part of it, and I always don't trust anything I hear until I vet it from the other side because everybody sort of has their one-sided view of it, and narrative is more important than truth.

00:17:06.540 I know this is the right-wing narrative.

00:17:09.080 I'm not like that, Bill.

00:17:10.460 I care about facts.

00:17:11.860 I practiced law for 10 years.

00:17:13.160 I want to get the cases right more than I want to get clicks.

00:17:16.960 And I have a lot of lefties who watch me.

00:17:18.840 So I'm not like that.

00:17:20.760 All I can tell you is those are the facts.

00:17:22.500 And Joe Biden also has behaved in a grossly, grossly extra-constitutional manner, not only the nonsense of trying to skirt the Supreme Court on the eviction moratoriums and the student loan, quote, debt forgiveness, which he's bragging about skirting them on, but the four indictments, which obviously the White House was behind and promoted and wanted.

00:17:46.840 Four indictments of a former sitting president, which we've made it almost 250 years without doing.

00:17:52.580 If that's not extra-legal and weirdly non-normy, I don't know what is.

00:17:57.700 What are the four indictments we're talking about now?

00:18:00.680 The two federal indictments against Trump and the one in New York and the one in Georgia.

00:18:04.460 Oh, you're talking about the Trump indictments.

00:18:05.680 Yeah, I'm saying this administration 100% was behind at least those two federal ones.

00:18:11.120 And there's evidence they were behind the other two, or at least in coordination, though they deny it.

00:18:15.640 They were behind them.

00:18:16.880 It wasn't Trump committing those crimes?

00:18:19.500 Do you really think – you don't think that Hillary Clinton and Bill Clinton could have been indicted for what they did when he left office with all the furniture?

00:18:26.280 I don't remember.

00:18:26.680 If somebody kicked the tires of the Clinton initiative, the foundation, you don't think they could find something?

00:18:31.980 I think they did kick those tires a lot.

00:18:34.580 I'm not sure what they found, but I don't think it was much.

00:18:38.100 I don't remember Bill Clinton ever calling up –

00:18:40.680 Hillary Clinton could have been indicted post her run.

00:18:42.580 As I was saying, I don't remember Bill Clinton calling up a secretary of state and saying,

00:18:47.940 I need you to fine me 11,000 votes.

00:18:50.220 You don't find that to be a bit of a smoking gun?

00:18:52.380 I don't.

00:18:52.980 Here's why.

00:18:53.500 Because I've listened to the whole phone call.

00:18:55.260 I have too.

00:18:56.780 And what he's saying is, I'm only behind by some 100,000, whatever the number was.

00:19:02.100 He said, so I want a recount.

00:19:04.520 And I want you to start counting.

00:19:06.600 And all I need is this number.

00:19:09.340 So basically, once you get to that number, you can stop counting.

00:19:11.600 Look, I don't want to have to defend Trump on his denialism about the election because I'm more on your team on that.

00:19:19.100 But I understand why it's not a smoking gun, as you just put it.

00:19:24.080 Okay.

00:19:24.480 Well, you know, people see things differently.

00:19:26.800 They do.

00:19:27.400 Yeah.

00:19:27.760 So this is why you feel like a man without a party, because your team feels like you do on the Trump stuff.

00:19:33.820 They hate Trump.

00:19:35.040 But they're not with you when it comes to your anti-wokeism.

00:19:40.400 So where does that leave you?

00:19:41.840 Who do you go out to dinner with?

00:19:43.480 Lots of people.

00:19:44.360 I mean, I feel like more people than ever are on team me, whatever that is, because, you know, they're the normies in the middle who don't want to be ideologically captured by either side.

00:19:57.300 That's who I feel like I speak for people who are not afraid to call out their own team.

00:20:02.860 If you have a team or a team that you are more on the side of when they do stuff that's goofy and I think they appreciate it a lot.

00:20:12.920 I mean, I notice in my standup shows, you know, the audience is kind of half and half.

00:20:17.340 And the liberals will laugh at woke nonsense and the conservatives will laugh at Trump jokes.

00:20:26.800 Most people in this country, I think, understand that there are deep defects on both sides.

00:20:33.640 Yeah.

00:20:34.100 And they just want they just want the extremists who seem to have the megaphone on either side to go away or stop being so powerful.

00:20:42.500 You know, everybody is like, why can't we just be, you know, common sense and why can't we just, you know, be the people in the middle?

00:20:50.560 But at the end of the day, no one sort of stands up for that because it's just so easier to pander to the people who are a team because those are the people who wind up scaring the other people.

00:21:01.580 I mean, certainly on the left, that happens.

00:21:03.420 I've said it many times.

00:21:04.840 The problem with wokeness is nobody ever gets canceled for being too woke.

00:21:08.880 That's how you wind up with men can get pregnant.

00:21:12.500 Yeah, because you can say the most ridiculous thing.

00:21:17.200 And because no one wants to be the one who's called out on Twitter, they'll be like, oh, sure.

00:21:22.560 Men pregnant.

00:21:23.580 I've always said that.

00:21:25.980 I saw a dude who was glowing today.

00:21:28.300 You know, it's just it's just so ridiculous what you can get away with saying and just the intimidation factor.

00:21:36.880 And certainly on the right, that happens, too.

00:21:39.260 So you don't you don't seem like someone who's ever felt that.

00:21:42.660 Have you have you managed to escape ever afraid of blowback from your your own side?

00:21:48.960 Well, I mean, come on.

00:21:51.640 I've been on 31 years.

00:21:53.280 It comes with the territory every week.

00:21:55.440 When people say to me on Saturday, how'd the show go last night?

00:21:58.060 I'd say, if I'm not canceled today, it went great.

00:22:01.240 You know, I mean, they're always looking to take you down and the knives are always out.

00:22:07.000 But, you know, I feel like at this point, after 31 years, if they wind up getting me.

00:22:14.460 OK, I had a pretty I had a pretty good run.

00:22:17.080 That's right.

00:22:17.480 And also, I think there's just a lot of people who have my back and and they appreciate what I do and they appreciate me having that bond with my audience that I don't pull a punch and I never will.

00:22:29.720 And it's made me, you know, lose some audience.

00:22:32.800 That's true.

00:22:33.320 I say it in the introduction of the book.

00:22:34.720 I say I have lost some people and I don't miss them.

00:22:37.880 Those are the more woke people who think I'm somehow betrayed them.

00:22:42.400 And I didn't.

00:22:43.100 One reason I wrote this book was by going through all the old editorials over the whole span of the show.

00:22:49.880 I wanted to see, have I changed or has my politics changed?

00:22:54.680 And I really think it's not mostly me.

00:22:57.520 I mean, the left was very different.

00:22:59.420 Now, of course, the right got way worse.

00:23:01.340 Also, we won't go back into they don't believe in democracy.

00:23:04.260 We just had that discussion.

00:23:05.540 But that certainly is way worse, in my view.

00:23:09.440 But the left, yes, went off the deep end also in their own way.

00:23:13.420 And so what I always tell people who are Democrats and liberals is you don't have to lecture me about Donald Trump.

00:23:23.200 I'm the one who I think who was sounding the alarm bells before anybody.

00:23:26.920 But I also get why people vote for him.

00:23:29.180 I absolutely do.

00:23:30.420 Because the stuff that, for example, you just said penises in the swimming pool and the stuff that is threatening to people that comes from the left is so much more in their everyday life.

00:23:43.780 It's not vague.

00:23:45.780 Like to most people, Trump and democracy, it's a vague thought.

00:23:52.200 And Ukraine, that's very far away.

00:23:54.500 Was it impeachable?

00:23:55.520 Who knows?

00:23:56.060 But I know about my kid coming home from school and saying, well, they're telling me I can't tell you if I change my sex.

00:24:07.060 Or saying, as we discussed on your show when I was a guest, suggesting to your perfectly normal son that he might be a girl at my all-boys school.

00:24:16.540 They kept asking them over and over, raise your hand.

00:24:19.260 Where are you on the scale of girl to boy, zero through five?

00:24:22.180 I did an editorial only like three weeks ago, and I used the word entrapment.

00:24:27.540 I mean, it was about comparing what goes on in the schools with entrapment.

00:24:31.960 I don't think anybody had ever put it that way.

00:24:34.080 But entrapment in the law, I'm sure you know this better than I do, means suggesting someone into a crime.

00:24:40.940 Yep.

00:24:41.180 Something they wouldn't have thought of to do anyway.

00:24:44.320 I mean, I used the example of after 9-11, there were a number of cases where law enforcement basically entrapped people who were not really going to be terrorists.

00:24:54.380 The one case I mentioned was the Liberty Seven, seven guys in Liberty City, Miami, a poor section of Miami.

00:25:01.100 And they basically went to them and said, you know, wouldn't it be cool if you blew up the Sears Tower in Chicago and taught the man a lesson?

00:25:10.560 And these guys who didn't even have a gun, probably the only guys in the neighborhood who didn't have a gun, said, yeah, that would be pretty cool.

00:25:23.400 That's entrapment.

00:25:24.340 And I was saying, look, when you constantly talk to little kids about sex and gender and constantly put out the idea that maybe the body you're in is not the correct one aligning with what's in your mind, that's entrapment.

00:25:41.540 That to me is the same thing.

00:25:42.960 You're suggesting them into something they wouldn't have thought of anyway, because I promise you when I was a kid, it never crossed my mind.

00:25:49.040 I never thought, huh, maybe I am a girl.

00:25:52.740 I mean, I thought a lot of, you know, how could I learn how to talk to a girl?

00:25:57.180 But even at that age, we didn't want to talk to a girl.

00:26:00.160 We had not reached puberty yet.

00:26:02.060 See, this is like this is where it's just so frustrating to me because.

00:26:07.260 I looked at that Biden event where he had all the trans people out in front of the White House and it's like some trans is a guy with fake breasts showing his naked breasts on camp, like on the White House lawn.

00:26:22.400 It was like National Trans Day of Visibility, which is every day in America now.

00:26:26.560 Right.

00:26:27.200 And they're on the White House.

00:26:28.600 It's like, would you have some dignity?

00:26:31.220 Could there be some dignity and decorum?

00:26:34.400 And I realize you could make the dignity argument over on the right to trust me, I get it with Trump.

00:26:41.220 But that's why I look at Biden.

00:26:42.500 I'm like, how do we get stuck with this?

00:26:44.920 Right.

00:26:45.060 Like how why didn't the Democrats replace him?

00:26:47.420 And why did the Republicans renominate Trump?

00:26:49.480 I think it's I think I know I think they thought he was the strongest candidate, the one who could sort of be the strongest leader and take take Biden down.

00:26:56.900 But I look at Biden and I feel like the Democrats really could have made a switcheroo.

00:27:00.240 I know he didn't want to give it up, but they could have made a switcheroo.

00:27:02.580 I mean, my first show back after the strike ended, which was last September, the first editorial I did was called Ruth Bader Biden.

00:27:11.460 I was the one who I was the one who coined that phrase.

00:27:14.220 I was saying if he continues on, if he doesn't get out of the race, he's going to be Ruth Bader Biden.

00:27:20.340 He's going to be the person who's hung around too long, destroyed his legacy and probably the country with it.

00:27:26.940 But he's got to get out now because, you know, too long at the fair.

00:27:32.480 We get it.

00:27:33.320 Ruth Bader was a Ginsburg was a justice.

00:27:36.060 The liberals loved.

00:27:37.160 And I'm sure she did some great things and was a pioneer.

00:27:39.400 But her ego would not let her go away.

00:27:42.780 And I mean, the story goes, oh, Biden, oh, Biden, Obama, Obama had her to lunch once, like I think in 2013 and was kind of hinting around, hey, wouldn't it be great if you spent a little more time with the grandkids?

00:27:58.300 What do you think?

00:27:58.980 And she didn't take the hint and thought she'd live forever, which was really crazy because she had been through a lot of really serious medical issues.

00:28:08.400 And then, of course, it happened.

00:28:10.620 And then, of course, Mitch McConnell, who would not even give Merrick Garland a hearing, which was talk about unconstitutional, suddenly, of course, found it in his heart to push through Amy Coney Barrett immediately.

00:28:25.660 So that's what you get for trusting the other side.

00:28:29.360 So I thought he should step down.

00:28:31.320 But apparently that hasn't happened.

00:28:32.800 I would hope the Democrats, some of them would think it's still not too late.

00:28:37.420 You could do it before the convention.

00:28:39.400 I mean, weirder things have happened in American politics.

00:28:42.500 And I don't think anyone would bat an eye that it was out of the ordinary.

00:28:48.120 So what?

00:28:48.820 We don't care.

00:28:49.540 America loves new.

00:28:51.820 I've always suggested that to candidates.

00:28:53.720 I said that about Chris Christie.

00:28:55.860 He should have ran when he was popular.

00:28:57.900 He should have.

00:28:58.420 Was it 2012?

00:29:00.200 Yeah.

00:29:00.840 And he said, it's just not my time.

00:29:02.440 But he was hugely popular.

00:29:03.400 The longer you stay around, the worse you're going to do because they have more to get you on.

00:29:09.880 Obama, they said the same thing.

00:29:11.300 He's only been a senator a couple of years.

00:29:13.060 And he went, good.

00:29:14.080 Right.

00:29:14.360 You don't know that much about me.

00:29:15.740 Great.

00:29:16.100 America likes new.

00:29:17.900 It was before Chris Christie, before Bridgegate, before Beachgate.

00:29:21.160 You know, all those pictures were just devastating to him.

00:29:23.680 And then all the Trump lapdoggery, which really kind of sunk him.

00:29:27.680 And Trump came along.

00:29:28.780 I mean, he could have been the guy.

00:29:30.280 Remember with Trump, he was like, I love him.

00:29:31.700 I hate him.

00:29:32.140 I love him.

00:29:32.520 I hate him.

00:29:32.920 And then, you know, when you're like, it's like, and Romney, too.

00:29:36.620 And that was another start of like his breakup with the Republican Party where, you know,

00:29:42.160 he was like blowing with the wind.

00:29:43.780 But yeah, no, I agree.

00:29:45.360 It's not too late.

00:29:46.300 If I were a Democrat, I'd be begging for them to sub in somebody else.

00:29:48.880 Even Kamala might be better at this point, although I doubt it.

00:29:51.820 I don't know, though.

00:29:52.800 You know, everybody talks about Michelle Obama as the big hope.

00:29:55.640 And she doesn't want to do it.

00:29:56.540 No, she doesn't want to do it.

00:29:58.840 And I don't blame her.

00:30:00.060 And they already served.

00:30:01.940 I mean.

00:30:02.200 So what do you think is going to happen?

00:30:05.520 Well, I know one thing I can guarantee will happen is that Trump will say he won, whether

00:30:12.280 he won or lost.

00:30:13.260 I agree with that.

00:30:14.480 Well, that's not a good thing for America, is it?

00:30:16.360 I think on January 20th, 2025, he'll show up at the White House, whether he's invited

00:30:21.420 or not.

00:30:23.200 And I don't think that's going to be good.

00:30:24.900 You think he's going to bomb in if he lost?

00:30:28.720 Yes.

00:30:29.840 Oh, yeah.

00:30:30.540 Bomb is a word I wouldn't even throw around lightly.

00:30:32.680 Oh, stop it.

00:30:33.240 He's not going to do that.

00:30:35.180 Right.

00:30:35.600 Like there was never an attack on the Capitol.

00:30:38.000 Oh, I hear you.

00:30:38.660 I hear you.

00:30:39.120 But he's not going to show up at the inauguration.

00:30:40.860 Like they didn't show up at the Capitol and break windows and knock down doors and kill

00:30:46.720 cops and chase.

00:30:47.980 They didn't do that.

00:30:48.820 They didn't break windows.

00:30:50.100 They didn't kill cops.

00:30:51.300 They, of course, did.

00:30:52.260 No, they didn't.

00:30:53.020 Who did?

00:30:53.780 They died of natural causes that day?

00:30:55.640 Yeah.

00:30:56.000 Nobody died that day.

00:30:57.260 Cops.

00:30:57.820 No, not true.

00:31:00.080 Who?

00:31:00.560 Okay.

00:31:01.140 Who?

00:31:01.540 Oh, I don't remember the names.

00:31:03.440 They didn't.

00:31:03.860 There was Brian Sicknick, who died later after the fact, and the coroner's report did not

00:31:10.820 say it was because of what he had inhaled that day.

00:31:13.920 He said it had possibly accelerated the condition that killed him.

00:31:17.400 Okay.

00:31:17.560 Well, attacked cops.

00:31:18.820 I thought they were the law enforcement people.

00:31:22.260 You know, how did we get to this place?

00:31:25.460 I mean, Trump now says he's going to pardon all those January 6th insurrectionists because

00:31:30.680 who wants to live in a country where the people who try to overthrow the government are seen

00:31:34.420 as the bad guys, huh?

00:31:35.480 They weren't insurrectionists, Bill.

00:31:37.960 They weren't?

00:31:38.520 They were a bunch of numbskulls.

00:31:40.480 They chased, oh, that's so stupid.

00:31:43.000 They chased duly elected representatives out of the building and wanted to hang the vice

00:31:47.940 president for certifying the election.

00:31:50.440 That's not an insurrection?

00:31:51.680 The people who engaged in violent acts or actually made threats along those lines are all being

00:31:56.760 prosecuted appropriately.

00:31:58.320 And I've said repeatedly, I hope they get the book thrown at them.

00:32:00.140 And they've had it.

00:32:01.860 You're so upset about the entrapment that happened of the Muslims after 9-11.

00:32:05.260 How about the entrapment that happened to some of those J6 protesters?

00:32:08.120 Wait, wait, wait.

00:32:08.660 I'm waiting.

00:32:09.160 Wait, wait.

00:32:09.500 Let's go back to what I'm upset about with the Muslims.

00:32:12.060 That we talked about after 9-11 and the feds getting involved.

00:32:15.500 Oh, yeah.

00:32:17.060 So entrapment.

00:32:18.120 They weren't Muslims.

00:32:19.300 They were just guys.

00:32:20.440 All right.

00:32:20.820 Well, my point is there are, I'm not going to, again, you're making me defend things that

00:32:26.120 I...

00:32:26.840 Then you shouldn't.

00:32:27.320 In part.

00:32:28.000 That are horrible.

00:32:28.720 Then don't defend them.

00:32:29.680 Why defend them?

00:32:30.600 Because it's more nuanced than you're suggesting.

00:32:32.880 They were not insurrectionists.

00:32:34.000 There was never any possibility that they were...

00:32:37.040 I've heard you refer to it as a coup.

00:32:38.020 They attempted.

00:32:38.720 ...going to take over the government.

00:32:40.240 It wasn't going to happen.

00:32:41.820 It was a protest.

00:32:42.500 They broke into the Capitol.

00:32:43.160 It was a riot.

00:32:45.360 They broke into the Capitol.

00:32:47.000 They opened the doors and let them walk in.

00:32:49.280 Security was waving them in one after the other.

00:32:51.360 I can show you the footage of them knocking through the gates.

00:32:54.260 I can show you the footage of many of them being welcomed in by cops, Bill.

00:33:00.080 See, that's the difference between the two of us.

00:33:01.720 Once they broke down the doors...

00:33:02.380 I will make a distinction between those who truly behave badly and those who thought they

00:33:06.340 were having a good time in Statuary Hall.

00:33:08.540 Yeah.

00:33:08.760 There were some people who just came to meander and wander around.

00:33:12.560 That's true.

00:33:13.260 They just...

00:33:14.100 I've seen the documentary that Alexander Pelosi did on it.

00:33:18.040 It's interesting.

00:33:18.720 Because a lot of them were just like, oh, yeah, it's an interesting place to go.

00:33:21.680 And let's see what happens.

00:33:23.240 There's also footage of people and there were people who absolutely intended to stop that

00:33:27.620 election.

00:33:28.880 Absolutely.

00:33:29.740 So, I don't know what you would call that.

00:33:31.740 Maybe you don't like that word insurrectionist because it got too...

00:33:34.560 I know it's too anti-Republican.

00:33:37.160 But that's what it is.

00:33:38.360 I don't agree with you.

00:33:40.200 I don't think...

00:33:40.600 The legal definition of insurrection, they don't meet.

00:33:42.860 And that's why it wasn't actually charged.

00:33:44.920 It's, you know, it's a leftist dream to try to make it sound even worse than it was.

00:33:48.860 These leftists who didn't care at all when their people were out on the roads, killing

00:33:52.880 cops, actually killing, hurting cops, killing others in the BLM protests, suddenly found

00:33:59.320 their conscience when it happened on J6.

00:34:01.640 Killing cops is always wrong.

00:34:03.640 Doing it in the service of trying to overthrow the government of the United States is a little

00:34:07.860 bit different.

00:34:09.400 It wouldn't happen because we were...

00:34:10.860 It didn't happen.

00:34:11.460 We were lucky it didn't happen.

00:34:13.420 They tried to make it happen.

00:34:14.660 Attempting to commit a crime is bad.

00:34:16.440 Trump tries to commit crimes all the time, like this one.

00:34:19.740 The fact that he doesn't succeed, it doesn't make it better.

00:34:23.680 It makes it better for the country.

00:34:25.240 Let's see what happens next time.

00:34:26.760 But, you know, we are not exactly like the detective and the serial killer.

00:34:30.420 Oh, we're a lot more alike than you think.

00:34:32.660 We're actually not that alike, I think.

00:34:34.320 I think you're right.

00:34:35.100 Yeah.

00:34:35.420 I agree.

00:34:36.000 We see a very different reality.

00:34:37.660 Yeah.

00:34:38.080 Which is fine.

00:34:38.960 I mean, that's...

00:34:39.640 It is fine.

00:34:40.620 I...

00:34:40.980 We have to be able to talk and disagree and still be civil.

00:34:43.880 I think we're doing a good job.

00:34:45.800 Yeah.

00:34:46.020 We're doing as best as we can.

00:34:48.440 That's right.

00:34:53.560 Now, let's talk about universities and Hamas and Israel because I know you've been, I think,

00:34:59.160 very strong on this issue.

00:35:00.240 Yes.

00:35:01.160 We won't have to fight anymore.

00:35:03.060 So how do you...

00:35:04.000 There's always common ground.

00:35:05.620 How do you see...

00:35:08.100 How did we get there, right?

00:35:09.700 Where we've got people in the scarves with the Hezbollah and the Hamas flags chanting

00:35:15.640 at Jews that they can't go to class?

00:35:17.200 Again, for people who say to me, you know, you make fun of the left more than you used

00:35:23.620 to.

00:35:24.460 Yes, I do.

00:35:25.660 First of all, I'm a comedian and you're a lot funnier than you used to be.

00:35:30.000 Not intentionally, but you are.

00:35:32.320 You know, not just pregnant men and identity politics and oversensitivity and victim culture

00:35:39.120 and cancel culture.

00:35:40.080 There's lots of funny stuff.

00:35:41.380 But if I ever needed a reason or a rationale for making the case that the left has changed,

00:35:49.640 it would be this.

00:35:51.280 The fact that they're now marching for the terrorists.

00:35:55.040 Really?

00:35:55.680 Right.

00:35:55.900 The people who see themselves as the most liberal people in the world, the social justice

00:36:03.240 warriors, are standing with some of the most illiberal people in the world.

00:36:09.580 I mean, I'm going to do my next editorial I'm going to do when I get back to work at my day

00:36:14.440 job is about, look, kids, I know you're looking for a cause.

00:36:20.720 And that's admirable that kids want to have a cause.

00:36:23.520 I got one for you, women, women around the world, especially in Muslim majority countries.

00:36:32.500 Hamas.

00:36:33.120 I mean, really, you're marching for Hamas?

00:36:35.160 Do you know that there are no equal rights for women as regards almost everything you

00:36:39.280 can imagine?

00:36:40.300 Speech, voting, free movement, divorce, property rights, freedom from sexual harassment, freedom

00:36:52.620 from sexual violence.

00:36:54.140 I mean, every possible thing that is a left-wing cause, they violate.

00:37:01.180 But those are the people we want in charge.

00:37:03.700 Those are the people we want to control from the river to the sea.

00:37:08.740 Even the people, of course, under the rule of Hamas hate them.

00:37:12.380 It's a fascist dictatorship.

00:37:15.500 It's a fascist, it's worse, it's a fascist dictatorship with a hard right religious bent.

00:37:22.440 It's like the worst of all worlds.

00:37:25.080 And those are your heroes.

00:37:26.420 That's right.

00:37:26.860 And they're out there.

00:37:27.560 I mean, it's gone beyond.

00:37:28.520 Of course, they were praising, as you know, on TikTok, the bin Laden letter and doing the

00:37:32.380 Muslim call to prayer five times a day.

00:37:34.660 These are people who are probably in Catholic mass for most of their formative years or Christian

00:37:40.140 mass, now they're down on the prayer rug, having absolutely no idea if you move to one of those

00:37:44.500 countries where that's practiced in the Middle East, they're going to mutilate your genitals.

00:37:48.700 You'll say goodbye to sexual pleasure because that's what the people you're praying to push.

00:37:53.380 Just ask Ayaan Hirsi Ali, who I know you know.

00:37:55.560 Yeah.

00:37:56.000 I saw the funniest meme.

00:37:57.820 It was two panels in the top one.

00:38:00.580 It said, you know, queers for Palestine, because they have that banner.

00:38:05.140 No, it's ridiculous.

00:38:05.880 And on the bottom, it's a guy getting thrown out the window, Palestine for queers.

00:38:11.820 Right up the window.

00:38:13.080 Well, I pulled this clip because it turned out to be a very famous clip.

00:38:18.060 And Sam Harris is in it.

00:38:20.000 Ben Affleck is in it.

00:38:21.020 You know, the one I'm talking about.

00:38:22.460 Oh, yeah.

00:38:22.800 From 2014, I think, yeah.

00:38:24.640 It went totally viral.

00:38:25.940 And, you know, as usual, on a lot of these issues, we were ahead of the curve in sort of

00:38:29.600 identifying, no, there's actually a problem here that we're not acknowledging.

00:38:32.600 I'm going to play it.

00:38:33.260 Watch it.

00:38:33.740 We have been sold this meme of Islamophobia, where every criticism of the doctrine of Islam

00:38:41.140 gets conflated with bigotry toward Muslims as people.

00:38:44.800 Right.

00:38:45.060 And that is intellectually ridiculous.

00:38:48.440 So, hold on.

00:38:49.420 Are you the person who understands the officially codified doctrine of Islam?

00:38:53.420 You're the interpreter of that?

00:38:54.340 Well, I'm actually well-educated on this topic.

00:38:57.460 I'm asking you.

00:38:58.340 So, you're saying that Islamophobia is not a real thing?

00:39:01.820 That if you're critical of something...

00:39:03.800 Well, it's not a real thing when we do it.

00:39:05.560 Right.

00:39:06.120 Well, no.

00:39:06.980 It really isn't.

00:39:07.540 I'm not denying that certain people are bigoted against Muslims as people.

00:39:11.160 Right.

00:39:11.380 And that's a problem.

00:39:12.100 That's big of you.

00:39:12.640 But the...

00:39:14.220 But why are you so hostile about this?

00:39:15.720 Because it's gross.

00:39:16.780 It's racist.

00:39:17.460 It's not.

00:39:18.200 But it's so nuts.

00:39:19.240 It's like saying...

00:39:20.280 So, not your shifty Jew.

00:39:21.920 You're not listening to what we are saying.

00:39:24.440 You guys...

00:39:24.860 Ben, we have to be able to criticize bad ideas.

00:39:26.820 Of course we do.

00:39:27.700 No, the rule doesn't want you to criticize bad ideas.

00:39:29.140 But Islam at this moment is the mother load of bad ideas.

00:39:32.120 Jesus.

00:39:32.520 So, we have...

00:39:33.520 That was amazing television.

00:39:36.800 Sam Harris was totally right.

00:39:38.720 Yeah.

00:39:39.220 And it is about ideas.

00:39:40.360 And again, this is one of the big problems with the left today, is they see race in everything.

00:39:46.160 So, you know, nothing ever...

00:39:48.140 And again, as the guy who is trying to like be the common sense person in the middle, just speak for the normies, everything I think to a lot of people strikes it the way it strikes me.

00:39:57.480 As we start with one thing, this idea over here, and then we're all the way on the other side over here.

00:40:04.680 In this issue, of course, you know, as we were saying over there, there are people who are bigoted and that's wrong.

00:40:10.640 And, of course, it's great that we got more impatient with racism in this country.

00:40:16.920 That is the appropriate response I think we should have toward racism, being impatient with it.

00:40:22.360 And then it goes all the way to...

00:40:25.180 And no one who is a person of color can ever do anything wrong.

00:40:30.880 That's how you get, we don't talk about China.

00:40:34.100 North Korea starves its people.

00:40:36.320 China puts the Uyghurs in concentration camps.

00:40:40.960 The president of Burundi was on the front page of the New York Times a month ago saying we should march the gays into football stadiums and kill them for just being gay.

00:40:53.680 Boko Haram captures entire villages of children, but none of these crimes are coming from white people.

00:41:00.980 So, crickets.

00:41:03.000 Really, kids?

00:41:04.260 Nothing?

00:41:05.600 No marching against any of this?

00:41:09.120 You raise this point in the book, too, and I thought it was a really good one, about how when we do our, you know, look back at history,

00:41:16.880 only the whites get excoriated for their bad behavior 200 years ago.

00:41:22.060 It's like, wait a minute.

00:41:22.720 Yeah, Genghis Khan was pretty rough.

00:41:25.840 You know, talking about colonizers, I think 11% of certain, was it the whole earth or maybe it's Asia?

00:41:33.960 Yeah, I think it's the earth.

00:41:35.420 Like a descendant?

00:41:36.500 Descendant from Genghis Khan because he colonized a lot of vaginas.

00:41:41.480 I mean, yeah, I mean, look, it was a different era.

00:41:44.560 I also, there's a couple of really funny editorials, essays in that book about time and the idea that the woke have this crazy idea that, you know, people who lived 500 years ago really should have known better.

00:41:58.040 Yeah.

00:41:58.320 You know, they have this magic moral time machine where they imagine what they would be doing in 1758 and it's always better than what you would have.

00:42:07.540 And it wouldn't have been using the term master bedroom.

00:42:09.440 No, that's another thing, yes.

00:42:12.320 And again, that's another point I'm always trying to make is that the difference between old school liberals like me and the woke is things like that.

00:42:20.840 People, I think, people, I think, have this idea that wokeness is an extension of liberalism and it very often is something that goes so far, it actually turns around and becomes the opposite.

00:42:30.900 Yes, I agree with that.

00:42:32.460 Yeah.

00:42:34.100 The thing that you just mentioned about master bedroom or, you know, blacklist or these turns.

00:42:40.540 Rule of thumb.

00:42:41.220 Jip, you know, I mean, reservation, I guess we're not supposed to say because, you know, insulting to the Indians.

00:42:50.300 What are you supposed to say when you go to a restaurant?

00:42:52.520 There's something wrong with picnic, too.

00:42:54.000 We're not allowed to say picnic anymore.

00:42:55.600 I can't remember why.

00:42:56.500 We have a, we're supposed to eat here.

00:43:00.460 It's just, it's just, so again, wokeness seems a lot about canceling people, catching people at something, renaming stuff.

00:43:08.780 Liberalism was at least about trying to fix things.

00:43:12.060 It was about trying to lift people up.

00:43:14.000 The people who had been forgotten genuinely, and there are many of them, and downtrodden.

00:43:18.860 These are the people we wanted to lift up.

00:43:21.340 That's different than just pointing fingers and saying, I'm more pure than you are, and I think I can prove it.

00:43:27.820 You know, you never want to get into a, who hates racism the most contest with someone on the woke left.

00:43:35.180 It's like, you know what?

00:43:36.800 I hate it, too.

00:43:38.320 Okay?

00:43:38.880 Shouldn't that be enough?

00:43:40.300 Except I also hate anti-white racism, unlike them.

00:43:43.320 That's the problem.

00:43:44.040 Yes, and things have, yeah, things have changed a lot.

00:43:46.100 They also, there's an essay in there about progressophobia, which was Steven Pinker's great term that he coined, that it is a real problem on the left.

00:43:54.300 They do not want to acknowledge progress, which is crazy, because it is the product they're selling.

00:44:00.400 Because somehow in their mind, if you acknowledge progress, then you're not as pure as the other person who says, no, things are still horrible.

00:44:08.720 Well, lots of things are still horrible, and things just objectively are way better.

00:44:13.660 Can we just live in the year we're living in?

00:44:16.220 That's what I'm always saying.

00:44:17.340 Just live in the year we're living in.

00:44:19.060 Did you see that Biden speech at Morehouse College?

00:44:22.520 No.

00:44:22.880 It's a black college, and they gave him an honorary degree.

00:44:29.280 It's where MLK went.

00:44:30.340 This is when?

00:44:31.100 Just this past weekend.

00:44:32.120 Oh, okay.

00:44:32.280 So they gave him an honorary degree, and he did, you know, gave a speech.

00:44:35.720 And first of all, the fact that they're giving an honorary degree to Joe Biden, who's like, I mean, the list of racist comments that guy has made is as long as Santa's scroll, but okay, fine.

00:44:43.860 So they got him to speak there.

00:44:45.100 They made him feel good about himself.

00:44:46.380 But it was the most pandering, absurd picture of blacks in America and the present day and America's relation to our black population.

00:44:59.200 It was absolutely disgusting.

00:45:00.200 It was like he was trying to stir up racial hatred right there live to the point where a couple of the black students turned their backs on him, which was pretty extraordinary.

00:45:10.700 And he does it all the time.

00:45:12.460 Well, Democrats should be asking themselves, why does Trump each election do better, not worse, with minorities and immigrants?

00:45:23.680 Not worse, better.

00:45:25.440 Did better in 2020 than 2016 and seems to be doing better this time.

00:45:30.200 That's a question Democrats really need to look in the mirror and ask themselves.

00:45:34.340 And with the immigrants, I think I know the answer.

00:45:37.060 I'll save them the trouble.

00:45:39.940 Immigrants don't like it that the left seems to have this unrelenting negativity toward the country that these immigrants worked so hard to get here.

00:45:50.160 Good point.

00:45:50.780 They really worked hard to get here.

00:45:52.480 And when Trump says shithole, the shithole, I think a lot of them are going, yeah, you're fucking right.

00:46:00.040 It's a shithole where I came from.

00:46:01.680 Why do you think I got on the ocean on a raft or walked a thousand miles because I was living in paradise?

00:46:08.880 There are places that are shitty in this world and the immigrants know it.

00:46:14.440 And, you know, it's not corny or conservative to say that you should to acknowledge that you're lucky if you're living in this country at this moment in history.

00:46:25.500 Yeah, well, it was a different message at Morehouse.

00:46:28.840 Here it is.

00:46:29.320 Watch.

00:46:31.480 You start a college just as George Floyd was murdered.

00:46:35.460 And there was a reckoning on race.

00:46:40.740 It's natural to wonder if democracy you hear about actually works for you.

00:46:47.180 What is democracy?

00:46:49.680 If black men are being killed in the street, what is democracy?

00:46:53.900 You have to be ten times better than anyone else to get a fair shot.

00:46:56.920 Most of all, what does it mean, as you've heard before, to be a black man who loves his country, even if it doesn't love him back in equal measure?

00:47:11.560 Well, that's my commitment to you, to show you democracy, democracy, democracy is still the way.

00:47:19.960 If black men are being killed in the street, we bear witness.

00:47:22.840 For me, that means to call out the poison of white supremacy, root out systemic racism.

00:47:31.020 I stood up for George with George Floyd's family to help create a country.

00:47:36.560 We don't need to have that talk with your son or grandson as they get pulled over.

00:47:43.280 Oh, joy.

00:47:44.580 That's his vision of life as a black man in America.

00:47:47.340 Yeah, it's anachronistic.

00:47:48.860 Right.

00:47:49.380 See the one guy popping up from the back.

00:47:50.760 It was almost like he was like, what did you just say?

00:47:52.840 And it's not that there isn't still racism in this country, of course.

00:47:56.760 And racist, just as there will always be criminals, there will always be racist.

00:48:01.120 And we should always be mindful of that and do what we can to call it out.

00:48:05.600 But it's a very different country than it was even ten years ago.

00:48:09.680 And to be telling black students that you have to be ten times better to get ahead, that's anachronistic.

00:48:21.020 That's not the case.

00:48:22.480 I mean, there are cases also.

00:48:25.520 I mean, there's certainly they've done studies on this where the same person goes in for a job who's black and white and the white person does get it more often.

00:48:34.600 They prove that.

00:48:36.020 So that still exists.

00:48:37.640 It's also true that there are places in this country where it's an advantage to be a person of color at this time or gay or anything other than white and male and straight.

00:48:49.540 I mean, I'm over 60, white, male and straight.

00:48:53.360 I better be good at my job.

00:48:54.600 Yeah.

00:48:54.840 But you had a good run.

00:48:57.700 This is not somebody that they're trying to hire.

00:48:59.980 It's ridiculous to say that you love the country more than the country loves you back.

00:49:04.500 That's just not true.

00:49:05.660 What kind of a dark message is that?

00:49:06.920 That certainly has been true.

00:49:08.580 Right.

00:49:09.040 But we're not living in the 1940s anymore.

00:49:11.460 Exactly.

00:49:12.100 I'm saying, can we just live in the year we're living in?

00:49:15.320 Because that doesn't really reflect it.

00:49:16.900 And when they do studies of like young, like under 30 polling, black versus white, the black folks are more optimistic.

00:49:27.780 Yeah.

00:49:28.180 It's the white liberals who.

00:49:29.940 Don't you think this is the wrong message?

00:49:31.500 Oh, yes.

00:49:31.880 Factually wrong.

00:49:32.720 It is.

00:49:33.080 Politically.

00:49:34.040 How do you sell yourself to a group of young black college graduates?

00:49:37.100 Is it by appealing to grievance, making them feel disempowered and like the country hates them?

00:49:41.800 Or is it something that would be empowering and uplifting and something great about them and America?

00:49:46.300 It's also not.

00:49:47.180 I mean, they know better than anybody the country they're actually living in.

00:49:50.380 I mean, to to pretend that, as I think he was saying there, the talk, you know, which refers to being pulled over in cops.

00:50:02.120 I mean, are there racist cops?

00:50:03.360 Of course, there will always be racist.

00:50:05.380 Somebody's somewhere.

00:50:07.220 I mean, if you do polling, I think they've done it.

00:50:10.320 People are not accurate in their assessment of how many people get killed by the cops or shot by the cops.

00:50:18.040 I think I think about a thousand people.

00:50:21.160 No, it's either shot or killed.

00:50:23.120 I think it's just shot.

00:50:24.260 I think about a thousand people get shot by the cops a year in this country.

00:50:27.760 Now, in a country of three hundred and forty million people, a lot of whom are nuts and a lot of whom have guns.

00:50:35.700 Is that a lot?

00:50:36.960 I don't know.

00:50:37.940 It was when that whole thing went down in twenty nineteen.

00:50:39.920 I think it was.

00:50:40.480 It was nineteen or eighteen.

00:50:41.260 I think it was nineteen.

00:50:42.320 Right.

00:50:42.660 Right.

00:50:42.900 Before George Floyd, I think it was ten million arrests and of all of those in the country.

00:50:51.040 Between twelve and fifteen involved the shooting of unarmed black men, not twelve and fifteen hundred twelve to fifteen, depending on how you interpret unarmed.

00:51:02.280 Some of the people who got shot by the cops had like come in, commandeered a car and tried to run down the police and they'd be counted as unarmed.

00:51:09.740 But that's that's out of ten million arrests, twelve to fifteen in the year preceding George Floyd.

00:51:15.200 But the way he's talking.

00:51:16.800 Right.

00:51:17.340 And by the way, the talk.

00:51:18.480 Didn't your parents have the talk with you?

00:51:19.780 Doesn't every everyone, especially a young man, is told comply.

00:51:23.820 Come on.

00:51:24.100 It's different if you're black.

00:51:25.180 And it has been historically very different if you're black.

00:51:27.720 You can't really.

00:51:29.760 You're really not contending that that's an equivalent when we were kids.

00:51:33.860 I think it's absurd to say that not everybody has the talk.

00:51:36.160 We're all afraid when we get pulled over by cops.

00:51:38.320 I'm not worried that I'm going to get shot in the way that I know some black men worry about.

00:51:43.060 But it's absurd to suggest that anybody who resisted arrest, especially a man with a cop who knows the stakes are high when he pulls them over, isn't going to be in danger.

00:51:51.680 OK, but I mean, if I got the talk, how old were you when you got the talk?

00:51:56.120 I was 14 in 1970.

00:51:58.840 It's preposterous to contend that in 1970, a white kid needed the talk as much as a black kid in this country.

00:52:05.860 I think that's fair.

00:52:06.560 That's OK, great.

00:52:08.560 But but also here's something that he would never say at a place like this or anywhere.

00:52:14.500 But there is a very big problem with young black men being shot and killed, but not by the cops.

00:52:21.820 Right.

00:52:21.960 They are the number of young black men compared to young white men who were killed.

00:52:28.020 It's something like 20 times.

00:52:30.660 Not allowed to talk about it.

00:52:31.920 They're not being killed by white supremacists.

00:52:34.940 They're being killed by each other.

00:52:37.600 And we've completely written it off as a society.

00:52:40.040 Well, to me, that's the most racist thing of all is that and I've always said, where are the leaders of the community to talk about this?

00:52:48.720 I mean, I feel like there are so many people in the black community who are looked up to for good reason.

00:52:55.320 They're exemplars.

00:52:56.320 And I mean, a lot of the most famous celebrities and most admired are African-American.

00:53:02.300 I mean, if they if they made a concerted effort to try to implore the end of this kind of behavior, would it would it have no effect at all?

00:53:14.140 Because a lot of these shootings, I mean, some of it is the drug war.

00:53:17.880 If we would.

00:53:18.500 My thing about racism is always, can we just be practical?

00:53:21.180 I mean, John McWhorter writes about it better than anybody.

00:53:23.780 You know, schools, families and the drug war.

00:53:30.000 I mean, that's it.

00:53:30.900 So much of this is performative that we see on the left.

00:53:34.380 That's the stuff that I know.

00:53:35.700 McWhorter, Glenn Lowry.

00:53:37.380 Yes.

00:53:37.740 Of course, Thomas Sowell.

00:53:38.820 None of whom has a statue of them.

00:53:42.020 They're not heralded.

00:53:43.180 They're not held up as examples.

00:53:44.540 And they're not invited on MSNBC.

00:53:46.760 Never.

00:53:47.720 And they should be because.

00:53:49.560 They're kicked off.

00:53:50.420 Or Coleman Hughes.

00:53:51.640 Coleman Hughes.

00:53:52.380 Another one.

00:53:52.880 Yes, exactly.

00:53:54.240 And again, if you just ended the drug war, some of the shooting is that.

00:53:57.760 And some of it is just about really just nonsensical, you know, feuds and beefs.

00:54:04.240 And you insulted me on social media.

00:54:07.600 And then, obviously, there's too many guns floating around.

00:54:11.200 But it just seems like so tragic and unnecessary that this amount of killing is going on.

00:54:17.360 And that we just seem to, again, ignore it and not talk about it and pretend it's all the cops.

00:54:23.980 And pretend we're doing something because we're over here saying, you know, this is the way we want you to refer up.

00:54:28.360 Capitalize the word B.

00:54:29.600 Now I feel better.

00:54:30.680 Right?

00:54:30.880 In black.

00:54:31.260 I find that racist.

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00:55:37.240 I want to ask you a couple things.

00:55:39.260 First of all, I want to ask you about Stormy Daniels.

00:55:41.000 You had her on your show.

00:55:42.460 Yes.

00:55:42.840 A few years ago when she was first out with her story.

00:55:47.640 And then to your credit, you pointed out on your show that her testimony in this trial changed dramatically from then to now.

00:55:56.820 Do you think she's trying to paint herself as a fake Me Too victim now?

00:56:01.200 That's what it looked like.

00:56:02.140 I don't know if I would use the word dramatically, but it did shift.

00:56:05.040 I mean, she definitely – she said in the trial, she said it again, kind of the same thing that she said on the show.

00:56:10.500 But she also talked about the incident in ways that she certainly hadn't back when I was interviewing her.

00:56:17.560 That we used all the buzzwords of the Me Too movement of the power imbalance and I was afraid to leave and he blocked the door and I was afraid.

00:56:26.120 And then the thing that was so preposterous I thought was, you know, I blacked out.

00:56:29.960 She lost feeling in her fingers and toes, Bill.

00:56:33.720 Well, I mean, as I said at the time, you know, this is someone who's not unused to having sex with strange people.

00:56:40.880 Not strange that they're people, just that they're stranger to you because she's a porn star.

00:56:45.240 So when you're a porn star, it's like, hi, meet Bob.

00:56:47.940 He's going to fuck you in two minutes.

00:56:49.360 Okay, great.

00:56:50.540 Are we ready for wood?

00:56:51.960 Come on, people.

00:56:52.900 We're losing the light.

00:56:53.780 So the idea that she would black out because this was such a traumatic experience was, to me, straining credulity.

00:57:02.660 But, you know, I didn't think they should have gone ahead with this trial to begin with.

00:57:06.300 I mean, first of all, it should have been an election interference trial brought by Merrick Garland.

00:57:10.820 I tore him a new asshole a couple of weeks ago because all these trials are probably not going to come to anything and they had four years to do it.

00:57:17.700 But it wound up being a trial about falsifying business records in state court.

00:57:24.080 And, you know, I don't know.

00:57:25.720 Do you think he's going to win it?

00:57:27.660 I don't think Trump is going to win it.

00:57:29.280 Really?

00:57:29.740 Yeah, because I think it was lost on jury selection.

00:57:32.080 It's New York.

00:57:32.660 It went 87% for Joe Biden.

00:57:34.220 Do you think 12 jurors are going to?

00:57:36.520 I mean, it's because.

00:57:37.760 If I had to put my.

00:57:39.420 12, all 12 jurors.

00:57:40.920 Here's my thought.

00:57:42.480 They should not vote to convict because he definitely he's put on a great case.

00:57:46.220 The defense has put on a great case.

00:57:47.920 Just they really haven't put on much of a case at all.

00:57:49.780 But they've done enough to poke holes in Michael Cohen's testimony to win this case.

00:57:55.280 But I think they lost it on jury selection in the same way O.J. was lost on jury selection.

00:57:58.600 Let me ask you this, counselor.

00:58:00.600 Michael Cohen did serve prison time for doing this.

00:58:03.960 No, not for doing this.

00:58:04.900 That's the problem.

00:58:05.980 He served prison time for lying about taxes and his taxi medallion scheme.

00:58:10.320 And then at the last minute, they added on this this election interference or campaign finance violation.

00:58:17.640 And he said, sure, I did it.

00:58:18.900 I did that, too.

00:58:20.100 And but he that was never the bulk of the charges that was about to send him into prison with the raids on his house and all that.

00:58:25.920 That was an add on at the end.

00:58:28.780 That was not my interpretation of it.

00:58:30.720 I thought he went to jail because he was the fixer in this case.

00:58:35.020 They're trying to lead you to believe that bill, but you trust Andy McCarthy of National Review, for example, a very straight shooter.

00:58:40.720 He hates Trump like you do.

00:58:42.680 He's been pointing this out.

00:58:43.820 So many other legal.

00:58:45.220 Anyway, I'll relook at it.

00:58:46.800 But in your defense, that's sort of how they're setting it up in this trial.

00:58:49.420 And that is what the jury has heard, too, what you just said.

00:58:52.420 So that's one of the reasons why I believe they probably will conclude he did it.

00:58:55.700 They're going to say, Cohen, he pleaded guilty to it.

00:58:58.420 Why is he in jail?

00:58:59.880 Why is he in jail?

00:59:00.740 Well, and they've been led, like, with a trail of breadcrumbs, I think, to probably the wrong conclusion.

00:59:07.060 But I do think it'll be reversed on appeal.

00:59:08.080 And how will it affect the election, if at all?

00:59:10.360 I don't think it will.

00:59:10.560 I don't think it will either.

00:59:11.760 Don't you think it's all been baked in at this point?

00:59:13.220 I do, absolutely.

00:59:14.480 I mean, look, to most people, it's just a sex case.

00:59:17.380 I did an editorial about this.

00:59:18.940 It's in the book also about I saw this movie when it was called Kill Bill, when they did it with Bill Clinton.

00:59:25.200 And people just do not like it when they go after presidents for their sex lives.

00:59:29.180 And the idea that Trump would be fucking a porn star at a golf charity event while his wife was home nursing their newborn is something we just assumed he would be doing.

00:59:42.860 Because, you know, again, you're the party of family values.

00:59:46.500 So it is, as you say, baked into the cake.

00:59:50.380 The only thing surprising was that it was that—

00:59:52.000 For the record, Trump denies it.

00:59:52.860 But you don't really believe it.

00:59:57.720 You can't tell me that you think he didn't fuck Stormy Daniels.

01:00:01.940 Let me tell you what I think.

01:00:02.960 Because that's going to really—

01:00:03.980 Leading up to the trial, I said many times he did it.

01:00:06.400 Let's face it.

01:00:07.040 He denies it, for the record, for the legal purposes.

01:00:09.920 He denies it.

01:00:10.540 But when I heard her do her, you know, dramatic reenactment of it all, now it's me too, no feeling in the fingers, I blacked out, I felt threatened because he was sitting on the bed when I came out of the bathroom and I couldn't get to the door.

01:00:25.340 He was sitting on the bed.

01:00:26.260 That's called leaving the hotel room.

01:00:27.580 We've all done that.

01:00:28.320 Like, you just walk around the bed and you walk out the door.

01:00:30.240 No, I mean—

01:00:30.940 I started to doubt her story.

01:00:32.440 I started to wonder whether this whole thing was some sort of a shakedown.

01:00:35.800 If I had to put money on it, I'd say they had sex, but I don't believe anything past that.

01:00:40.840 Well, that's silly.

01:00:41.940 I mean, there's no good people—

01:00:43.800 You're so pejorative.

01:00:44.360 What do you mean?

01:00:45.060 It's just silly.

01:00:45.840 I've been watching this trial very carefully, and I've been dismissive of your lack of knowledge.

01:00:50.500 This is my opinion based on what I saw in 10 years of cross-examining people.

01:00:54.520 She's a liar.

01:00:55.940 That doesn't mean he didn't fuck her.

01:00:57.860 Okay, yes, both things are true.

01:00:59.720 I mean, it's like saying, you know, O.J. Simpson, were the police corrupt or did he kill his wife?

01:01:05.000 Both.

01:01:06.680 Yep.

01:01:07.000 I used to say, you know, the cops are so inept, they could not frame a guilty man.

01:01:12.100 The cops did a bad job, and he killed his wife.

01:01:14.840 All right, so what do you—

01:01:15.740 And Stormy Daniels is a horrible witness, and so is Michael Cohen.

01:01:19.360 There's no good people in this trial, and he fucked her at that golf tournament.

01:01:22.620 That's just who he was.

01:01:24.000 I mean, come on.

01:01:25.200 Last but not least, Cohen and you have had some past interactions, right?

01:01:29.560 Did he threaten you?

01:01:31.160 Oh, no.

01:01:31.500 I think when you and Trump had your—

01:01:32.500 No, no, no.

01:01:32.960 He—what he—when I—when Trump sued me for calling—

01:01:37.820 This is just so stupid.

01:01:39.860 This is back in the birthergate controversy.

01:01:41.140 Well, Maureen Dowd wrote about it yesterday in the Times.

01:01:45.020 In 2013, Trump sued me because—what was it he had—

01:01:51.020 Because he offered $5 million for Obama's birth certificate.

01:01:53.940 No, no.

01:01:54.360 And then you offered $5 million to see proof that he wasn't the child of an orangutan.

01:01:58.920 Yes.

01:01:59.340 But actually, what he offered, that was one detail I think they got wrong.

01:02:04.100 The $5 million he had offered was for Obama to produce his college records.

01:02:09.920 Because, you know, a black guy in college, that's kind of fishy, huh?

01:02:13.580 Oh, boy.

01:02:14.020 So, yes, Donald Trump offered $5 million, so I thought I would offer him $5 million if he could prove.

01:02:22.240 And we showed the picture.

01:02:23.160 He does look exactly like that orangutan.

01:02:25.400 Oh, God.

01:02:25.480 The color of the hair was exactly the same.

01:02:28.260 If you saw the picture, you know what I'm talking about.

01:02:30.560 And so I offered him $5 million, and then they came to court and produced the birth certificate to prove that he was actually not the son of an orangutan.

01:02:40.660 Not that that's even possible.

01:02:42.660 I mean, we are of different species.

01:02:44.360 The definition of a species is you can't have sex with the femininity.

01:02:48.080 Well, sex.

01:02:49.120 No, no.

01:02:49.720 I mean, that's why.

01:02:50.240 You can't reproduce.

01:02:51.280 You can't reproduce.

01:02:52.180 But they're not interested in it.

01:02:53.780 I mean, jaguars and tigers, they look kind of alike, but they don't fuck each other.

01:02:58.040 But he did fuck Stormy Daniels.

01:02:59.600 Oh, God.

01:03:01.320 All right, Bill Maher.

01:03:02.220 I've got to let you go.

01:03:03.040 Thank you.

01:03:03.440 Any last thoughts on what the solutions are to that?

01:03:05.620 How do we come back together?

01:03:07.060 Are we going to land the plane?

01:03:08.800 The country stays together.

01:03:09.840 We find a way past the harsh partisan bullshit.

01:03:12.980 I mean, I don't know.

01:03:14.800 I mean, like I say, I think the rubber hits the road next January because if he wins, he wins.

01:03:21.260 He's never going to give up power.

01:03:22.720 You can't really believe that.

01:03:23.980 I definitely believe he will give up power.

01:03:26.100 But he didn't last time.

01:03:27.520 You think he's going to – you think in 2028 he's going to say, well, two terms, that's what the Constitution says.

01:03:34.980 I'm gone.

01:03:36.060 Of course not.

01:03:37.020 He's going to stay on as long as he can.

01:03:39.400 He'll make up some excuse.

01:03:40.480 He doesn't care.

01:03:41.360 He's never read the Constitution.

01:03:42.660 He doesn't care what's in it.

01:03:43.860 It's only about power and who wins.

01:03:46.280 And he will never leave.

01:03:47.540 He's already said many times, I think we deserve a third term because, you know, we were cheated out of the one that he's not serving right now.

01:03:54.600 So, he will never give up power.

01:03:56.340 So, there's the end of America as we know it.

01:03:58.920 And if Biden wins, again, he will – I mean, this country will fall apart because his rabble won't accept it and he won't accept it.

01:04:06.540 I mean, there's no solution except cholesterol.

01:04:08.700 And watching real time.

01:04:11.620 Right.

01:04:11.740 And buying this book.

01:04:13.320 It's called –

01:04:14.080 It's actually very – it's the funniest book ever, I think.

01:04:17.580 And lots of people have said the same thing.

01:04:19.580 So, I know it sounds like, you know, because we're tussling that it's all serious.

01:04:24.220 But it's actually very funny.

01:04:25.340 It is very funny.

01:04:26.040 And I hope people enjoy it.

01:04:28.100 And, look, I appreciate you going toe-to-toe because I think that's what people have to do.

01:04:34.720 And it sometimes does get to a point where you get exasperated with each other.

01:04:39.340 But, you know, as I say at the end, America is a family.

01:04:42.960 And the definition of a family is understanding that, you know, you're with people who you may not like, but it doesn't come to violence.

01:04:50.340 Yeah.

01:04:50.820 Well, I have to say, Bill, you've always been very gracious to me.

01:04:53.580 You've had me on your show a couple times.

01:04:54.880 I'm a fan.

01:04:55.520 I mean, you're super smart.

01:04:58.520 You know, what we all have to get over is talking with someone who you can be like, oh, I'm so in agreement on this and this and this and this.

01:05:10.620 And on this one, I think they're insane.

01:05:12.640 Yeah.

01:05:12.920 But we got four out of five.

01:05:14.560 Yes, honestly.

01:05:15.280 It's like, why – there shouldn't be a limits test.

01:05:18.600 Like, I love him except he hates Trump so I have to hate him.

01:05:21.540 It's like, so you disagree with him on that.

01:05:23.280 Okay, that's fine.

01:05:23.940 That's how the world goes forward.

01:05:26.920 But I would hope when Trump doesn't relinquish power and this country –

01:05:31.360 I'm going to play this clip.

01:05:32.180 And when this country does not resemble the one that we've grown up in, I would hope that you would be able to acknowledge that.

01:05:39.060 And if he does relinquish power or doesn't try to –

01:05:44.900 Then I'm going to play this clip too.

01:05:46.020 Then I will absolutely on my show say I was wrong and she was right.

01:05:50.600 Either way, I'll have you back and you can take a victory lap or you have me back and I'll take a victory lap.

01:05:55.120 Either way, we'll make it happen.

01:05:56.080 Thank you.

01:05:56.520 Good luck with the book and everything.

01:05:57.580 I appreciate it.

01:05:58.300 All the best, Bill.

01:05:58.860 Don't forget, it's called What This Comedian Said.

01:06:00.840 Good Father's Day, President.

01:06:02.120 Thank you.

01:06:02.600 Yes, plenty of time.

01:06:03.840 Father's Day coming up.

01:06:05.080 Available now.

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The Glenn Beck Program - May 25, 2024

BONUS EPISODE ｜ Guest： Bill Maher ｜ 'The Megyn Kelly Show'

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