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00:01:05.520 the fusion of entertainment and enlightenment this is the glenbeck program bill o'reilly a couple of

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00:01:19.500 and i was willing to say you're right bill we don't know we only have it from cnn and we have

00:01:25.300 it from you know uh the new york times we have not seen it i'm not dealing with any of this until

00:01:31.360 we actually see evidence that it exists real i want to see it with his signature on it but does it matter

00:01:39.560 if it does exist here's this exchange listen if so if there is a letter and he did sign it does it

00:01:45.720 matter yeah that would matter because if there's a letter of intent to build a condominium in moscow

00:01:54.780 that's a business dealing so that would matter okay so even if he could see this this is interesting

00:02:01.860 because um i buy into the letter and i don't think that i don't think it's gonna come from

00:02:09.460 i've seen it in several places um october 28 20 october 28 2015 was the date was the date of the

00:02:18.520 third republican presidential debate and i think this is an interesting one bill because it's one

00:02:23.000 of those things everyone can throw out these accusations this one should be provable if it was

00:02:26.560 but well if they have the letter they should be able to show it right yeah if they have the letter

00:02:30.220 it should be in the muller report when it comes out okay stop it would have been leaked a long time

00:02:35.680 ago uh again what we hear is speculation everywhere well now we have evidence and we have bill o'reilly

00:02:43.020 saying yes it does matter i'm interested to hearing what he says tomorrow about this but it does matter

00:02:49.060 and we're going to share what matters what just came out yesterday and why it matters in one minute

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00:04:32.460 a proposed development of a first-class luxury mixed use to be known as trump moscow or such other name

00:04:49.720 as mutually agreed on by the parties located in moscow city now known the project dear audrey or andre this

00:04:59.460 is a letter of intent uh and it sets forth a summary of the basic terms of the license agreement to be

00:05:06.360 entered into by the trump acquisition llc or one or more of its affiliates uh and the ic expert investment

00:05:16.600 company or its affiliates blah blah blah this shows exactly what they are going to be building what

00:05:25.640 they are going to license out who gets the money it is a 250 first class luxury residential condominiums

00:05:34.900 one first class luxury hotel consisting of approximately 15 floors containing no fewer than 150 hotel rooms

00:05:42.100 one first class luxury spa fitness center a commercial component uh consistent with the overall luxury level

00:05:49.600 of the property an office component a parking component uh they will also help design uh construct

00:05:56.820 equip furnish yada yada yada it's i mean the expense deposit uh the deposits the principal the

00:06:05.780 non-disturbance the confidentiality the currency the governing law um the operation the term the

00:06:14.900 management fees the development standards the maintenance and repair of the hotel centralized service

00:06:22.020 agreement hotel technical service agreement debt covenants reimbursement of fees uh i mean all of it

00:06:29.220 the food and beverage signed by donald j trump now this was executed october 28th 2015 and it ran all the way

00:06:41.540 through the um the election in fact mr trump we now know was uh was brought up to speed on at least three

00:06:54.180 occasions by cohen about the progress of this project in moscow we also know that the guy who he denied even

00:07:05.180 knowing is a signator of this contract he was the moscow guy and trump said i when asked by the press do you

00:07:16.400 know this guy he said i don't i don't i don't know him i'd have to think about that i don't even think i've ever

00:07:22.100 heard that name he was a guy who was working on this project and he had direct contact with vladimir

00:07:33.100 putin's office about this project during the election

00:07:37.820 so does this matter

00:07:44.540 see what happened during monica lewinski is we would ask people does it matter or

00:07:51.860 did he do it and then they'd say no and we'd argue about that i've stopped arguing about did he do it

00:07:57.620 i don't show me the evidence when you show me the evidence then i'll know if he did it or not

00:08:02.420 but until you show me evidence i don't really care i don't care because i don't believe anybody on any

00:08:08.980 side show me the proof so i've been waiting for the proof however if it exists does it matter

00:08:17.300 this is what happened during the clinton uh uh problem everybody argued that it never happened

00:08:25.120 and then when it did have we did have the blue dress then it was well it doesn't matter

00:08:29.480 well wait a minute then why have we been arguing why didn't you say it didn't matter

00:08:33.680 right up front

00:08:35.140 so the president we now know lied repeatedly to the american people about having a business deal

00:08:46.960 and a significant business deal in moscow that putin's office was i can't i can't say directly

00:08:57.240 involved with but had involvement in he was courting moscow and he was trying to get this done

00:09:07.060 now you're reading of this does it he didn't do anything this is nothing nothing illegal about this

00:09:12.860 nothing illegal nothing illegal about this this is not the type of thing you get thrown out of office

00:09:17.000 for i don't think unless he lied to you know the fbi or something about it uh i mean unless he

00:09:22.700 committed a crime in the cover-up or something he definitely did say to the media a bunch of times

00:09:27.240 that he had no business dealings in russia i think he said that to the american people oh i would i

00:09:32.320 would agree i would agree i mean but i mean the media is probably more directly who he said it to at

00:09:36.460 that time that's how we hear heard about it um but yes i but he was asked he was not this is not a

00:09:41.180 question of criminality or or impeachment per se like this is they're gonna they're gonna work that in

00:09:46.940 i mean the media is going to talk about that all day but i don't really i don't i don't really care

00:09:50.620 i'm not looking at anything other than you have the president of the united states while he was

00:09:57.560 running asked by the media but also asked in debates do you have any dealings and he repeatedly say

00:10:07.700 said i don't nor does anyone i know have any dealings i've only been to moscow once

00:10:15.160 now in the release documents he was wanting to go to moscow and it was manafort that said

00:10:24.100 no you're not going to moscow it was during because this deal they wanted to see him they

00:10:31.500 wanted to deal with him face to face and so he said all right well i don't know should we put it

00:10:36.540 together cohen was pushing for him to go and it was manafort that finally stepped in and said you

00:10:42.200 can't go you can't go and negotiate this deal right now okay so seriously shows you who michael

00:10:49.180 cohen is it's like even paul manafort had more discretion yeah i mean it's it's when you're

00:10:54.280 losing to paul manafort on a good decision making contest that's not that's not where you want to be

00:10:58.820 so look i i understand uh the president not wanting to for instance i i don't agree with it but there

00:11:12.560 wasn't anything illegal about it and presidents have done this before they've had sex they've

00:11:19.300 covered it up yada yada this is different this is different the um the secretary uh one of the

00:11:30.040 secretaries in the office of vladimir putin was involved in this deal there are now memos back and

00:11:39.560 forth when trump denied that this was happening the press called uh putin's office and that secretary

00:11:48.900 that person who was involved secretary of something or other he denied that there was anything going

00:11:55.460 on okay we now know that we we have the right we have the emails and he has now come out and said

00:12:05.220 okay yes there was this exchange as soon as the white house said yes there was this exchange

00:12:11.680 the the kremlin said yes there was this exchange i'm sorry but this is not secret deals for the

00:12:20.640 united states of america this is a secret deal benefiting one person and that person happens to

00:12:27.420 be the president i don't want any secret deals going on between my president and vladimir putin's office

00:12:32.640 i don't want any of them i want to know if you're going to do it fine let's have that conversation and

00:12:38.960 i know that would be tough in the press but at least we would know transparency donald trump did

00:12:46.160 not turn over any of his business records well we can see now why this would have been found okay

00:12:53.200 can you turn them over now because are you hiding anything else we have to know that the president

00:13:00.180 doesn't have any other any other uh idea that he is a slave to other than the constitution of the united

00:13:10.900 states of america and i don't think that donald trump hates america i don't think that he wants to

00:13:18.680 destroy it i don't think he's in league with uh with uh vladimir putin he is driven by his business

00:13:27.140 and i don't want a secondary business thing on the table with the president of the united states or

00:13:34.480 at least i want full disclosure and if we back up a little bit this is it's not as shocking as you

00:13:41.880 know the media is going to make it out to be today if you go back to 2015 when when this letter was

00:13:46.440 going on uh donald trump is a business guy wanting to do a really great deal in in russia uh it is

00:13:54.920 completely illegal for him to do a big deal in russia um completely completely normal in his

00:14:00.800 normal business day right like this is a this would be a very typical dealing for him to be engaged in

00:14:06.840 at the time he is an incredible underdog and most people surely most people in his organization you

00:14:14.380 know i don't know about him exactly i mean you know he's very confident publicly the reporting says

00:14:18.520 he even kind of thought he wasn't going to win but at this point surely no one in his organization

00:14:23.680 thought he was going to win remember this is 2015 this isn't even with the year of the election

00:14:27.760 hadn't even begun yet we haven't even gone to iowa we haven't gone to new hampshire i mean he's still

00:14:32.780 he's doing well in the polls but no one gives him a chance of winning at this point no but the fact

00:14:37.620 that you pursue a deal like this would make sense and beyond that when asked about it when you're

00:14:44.620 getting asked about it in the media his calculus likely is the media is just trying to trap me on this

00:14:51.920 yes i have this deal but it's probably not going to happen anyway and if they keep there if i say

00:14:56.400 yes to it they're just going to go in and they're going to investigate it they're going to chase me

00:14:59.400 around and accuse me of all these things i'm just you know screw them i'm not going to give them the

00:15:03.760 the the nugget now i don't think that's the right way to handle it but you can understand in that moment

00:15:09.500 how he thinks just brushing off those questions might be the appropriate thing to do so we are down to

00:15:16.300 where we were with barack obama where half of the country didn't believe barack obama was a guy who

00:15:22.940 had america's best interest at heart you know he had he was slave to another idea as well as being

00:15:29.740 president of the united states we didn't trust his motives now half the country doesn't trust this

00:15:35.660 president's motives we said we wanted full transparency we wanted to know how did these guys get into

00:15:43.040 office who are they what do they actually believe and we can deal with that now we're saying well no

00:15:50.340 um we don't need to do that because we trust donald trump i i don't know why we should trust donald trump

00:15:58.720 and it's not that you're going to get hillary clinton now you're going to get mike pence should

00:16:04.660 he be removed and i'm not even talking about that i'm just saying

00:16:08.760 we're crossing another line now we're crossing a big line there is evidence that he now lied to you

00:16:20.020 repeatedly about something pretty important does it matter to you now that's the question

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00:18:09.040 um so let's let's talk about rudy giuliani if this didn't matter why did on sunday

00:18:18.720 when rudy giuliani was asked he said okay yes there was a real estate project there was a letter of

00:18:27.280 intent to go forward but nobody signed it well obviously he didn't know but why wouldn't you say

00:18:35.500 that earlier now you know that this letter is coming out and his deal is yeah but but trump never signed

00:18:42.700 it his signature is prominently affixed to this um so it was signed it's a real actual business deal

00:18:51.980 why why this game back and forth

00:18:55.600 i have absolutely no idea i mean it does seem like i don't know what rudy rudy giuliani's

00:19:03.240 purpose is at this point i mean he does not seem to actually be donald trump's lawyer he's not

00:19:08.460 effective he doesn't seem to be his lawyer is saying he's not his lawyer now he is there we go

00:19:12.880 yeah no now that now the white house is saying well he's not really our attorney so he didn't know

00:19:16.920 okay so he's a spokesperson who doesn't know many of the facts and makes you know sort of blanket

00:19:23.160 assertions that wind up hurting the president i don't know i don't know what the the point of

00:19:27.500 that relationship is anymore maybe it's run its course um but you know again if you if you know

00:19:33.940 this is coming out at some point i don't know why they they're like they do the opposite of getting

00:19:38.780 out ahead of these things like they just they just slow play everything this seems to be the

00:19:43.400 communication strategy of the white house and the trump organization generally which is

00:19:46.600 just like wait wait wait wait wait say you know you just keep you know it's deny deny deny deny

00:19:51.840 deny and then when it comes out you say it doesn't really matter um now there is uh since then and i

00:19:57.800 think bill clinton kind of set this off in the in the world of pr is you try to get out in front of

00:20:02.980 these things right you kind of come out and say you say the the thing that you know is going to come

00:20:08.060 out just say it now get it over with deal with whatever's going on make your best argument and then

00:20:14.100 it gets gets past you once clinton started doing that he started doing very well for himself once

00:20:20.080 he started coming out and saying look this is you know this this has happened and his approval rating

00:20:24.760 started started going up afterwards after he lied for a very long time again i don't the media is going

00:20:31.460 to try to make this out into well let's start impeachment proceedings tomorrow and there's no reason

00:20:36.840 to believe that that's part of this but it's still truth is truth and it is important i'm not even

00:20:42.160 asking that i just want to be consistent if hillary clinton would have won the election and we found

00:20:49.100 out that she had a signed deal to explore a deal with gazprom or whatever she was involved in i mean

00:20:58.820 look at we are so upset because her husband went over and took five hundred thousand dollars to give a

00:21:04.480 speech in where was it turkmenistan which was helping the soviets at the time

00:21:10.780 we're very upset i was very upset with that i think that hurts us i think that shows that we

00:21:17.540 cannot trust her uh on negotiations with russia we now know that the president had this deal

00:21:24.700 he lied about it which you can say it was because of the press or whatever and that's fine but that put

00:21:31.420 the president in an awkward position where the kremlin knew the truth and he knew the truth and the

00:21:38.520 kremlin you know you don't think putin will use things when when when they went over and they

00:21:46.380 they spoke in private and then they came out and donald trump was shockingly saying all these wonderful

00:21:52.860 things about russia and putin did this deal have anything to do with that did the secrecy of this deal

00:22:00.620 have anything to do with that we just the president needs to come clean on things period he needs to

00:22:07.700 release all of his business dealings we have to know what the hell is going on now somebody who's

00:22:15.780 going to have a different take i'm guessing will be eric bowling eric is going to be joining us in

00:22:22.160 about a half an hour and eric is a part of blaze tv now and he talks to the president all the time

00:22:28.800 friends with the president and he's going to have a different take on this i'm i'm anxious to hear what

00:22:33.660 he has to say and you your phone calls coming up you're listening to glenn beck

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00:23:52.320 your phone calls also eric bowling coming up i'm anxious to hear what eric bowling has to say

00:24:05.460 about this moscow deal uh he's coming up in about uh half an hour from now and i have good news uh eric

00:24:13.860 bowling has uh what do you can you not yeah yeah you should definitely it's pat gray's in office

00:24:20.300 pat gray is here that's your good news hey hang on i have i have it on good authority do you have

00:24:26.960 an update yes you do okay so that's coming up in a minute pat gray is here hello pat was there

00:24:33.880 something he wasn't supposed to say just not because i can't even imagine no i have no business

00:24:38.420 dealings going off i have no business dealings with moscow i just want to make sure where uh

00:24:45.060 everything's all back pat welcome to the program thank you it's just really great to be here

00:24:49.320 really great uh what do you have going on today i am a little hacked off uh just a teeny bit

00:24:55.200 christmas time i know i know and they're crying desperately to ruin my christmas season what are

00:25:00.620 you talking about uh no border wall funding now this is what they were going to fight for and hey

00:25:04.880 give it to me i'll take the blame on shutting down the government i will take it i don't care

00:25:10.420 it's that important we're going to have a border wall you will fund it and then we'll worry about

00:25:15.480 mexico paying for it later but we're going to get funding for a border wall uh no funding for a

00:25:20.060 border wall uh that's completely off the table now what what what exactly happened there that's what

00:25:26.000 i'd like to know because i thought the president was willing to take it upon himself no i thought

00:25:30.200 congress was going to fight for it because they told us that the whole time during the election

00:25:33.700 no uh and uh so they get zero for the border wall but the good news is we're sending 10.6 billion to

00:25:41.620 mexico and central america well that's what i would have done yeah i would have said let's give them

00:25:45.480 more aid they've been helping this caravan right let's give them more let's give them more and

00:25:51.160 encourage more of it that would be great now if this goes to what it's supposed to go to and that's

00:25:58.020 helping them develop their own countries so that less people will leave and come here illegally

00:26:04.620 i mean i i could almost say okay maybe that's a good move but that's not going to it's not going

00:26:10.600 to happen that that never happens there's too much corruption in their government so hang on just a

00:26:15.980 second hang on just a second if donald trump would have stood fast and said i'm shutting the

00:26:23.040 government down i told you i would blame it on me the people want action yep they even mcconnell even

00:26:29.400 went and said give us a billion dollars and we'll give you 1.6 billion for something you want and they

00:26:35.460 said no to that they said no they said no okay so they tried to compromise they said no where is

00:26:43.720 donald trump taking the blame and standing up and saying then shut the government down that's what i'd

00:26:49.520 like to know and where are the giblets in any of these republican representatives to stand up to

00:26:55.680 the democrats and say no we're tired of this no no we are shut the government down if anyone could

00:27:01.960 have handled a government shutdown it would have been donald trump that's what i thought it does not

00:27:06.760 seem like that's in the cards however no he said no no they're they've already taken it off yeah they've

00:27:11.040 taken it off well but they take it off the table and put it on the table every nine minutes i mean but

00:27:15.020 it does not seem like it's trending that way i mean i a lot of people would just believe that

00:27:19.520 you know again these are negotiation tactics and you know you can't take these words how do you

00:27:24.740 negotiate when you say okay i'll take that off the table well because the first part of it was a

00:27:30.600 negotiation the second part was him giving up okay right like all right the negotiation was i'm gonna

00:27:35.600 i'm gonna i'll shut the government down i'll take responsibility and when that didn't work he's now

00:27:39.500 saying all right so is that the art of the deal you just you throw it out there and then you just take

00:27:43.560 it off the table in case that's not him no that's not it's been out to him on several things though i mean

00:27:48.520 we've seen this over and over and over again you know this is this is the one thing this is the one

00:27:54.340 thing that everyone said if he would have shut down the government for three weeks and lost i think his

00:28:00.980 people could say you know he tried and he was getting bloodied right this he can't say in one week

00:28:09.300 fine the people want this i will take the blame and then not do it and say well the democrats wouldn't

00:28:16.680 let us do it you you did not fight for it at the beginning when you had the congress and you were

00:28:23.860 able to do it because you had both houses of congress you were able to do it i'm not saying

00:28:28.780 that the republicans would have but that was your main campaign promise and you didn't do it

00:28:36.280 you waited now you have a chance it's the republicans don't want it i'm sorry to say but the republicans

00:28:44.540 are lying to you all those members of congress that say they want it it also just doesn't pull

00:28:49.160 well so they don't see it even as an advantage correct overall it's just so you know how are you

00:28:54.340 going to answer this i'm just talking about his campaign in 2020 how are you going to answer that

00:29:01.820 you ran on a border wall you even said i will shut down the government but you weren't willing to

00:29:09.780 shut down the government dude you're willing to do anything you're willing to go talk to to kim jong

00:29:15.520 un i mean what aren't you willing to do you out of everybody could have won that battle it's

00:29:23.320 frustrating well and look he can't because of our system of government he can't do it by himself

00:29:27.200 you know and you're right the republican congress is not interested and the democratic congress is

00:29:31.420 certainly not interested um you know he could not sign the bill he could not sign the the budget bill

00:29:38.100 the budget bill he could come that's clear he could do that all by himself sorry you're going

00:29:43.140 to need two-thirds to pass this i said no they might override the the the right but then he's

00:29:48.480 completely clean he's done everything then he's done everything within his office correct that he made

00:29:54.100 correct instead they're given 5.8 billion to central america and 4.8 billion to mexico for southern

00:30:01.800 mexico and i love what the mexican foreign relations secretary said in some i think this is good

00:30:09.480 news very good news for mexico you think i mean think about it we've gone from from you're going

00:30:18.020 to be free money is a pretty good deal we've gone from we're gonna build a wall and you're gonna pay

00:30:23.560 for it to hey no wall here's five here's five billion more uh wow it's now no no hang on there

00:30:33.020 is a chance that in this bill he has tucked this money away in the defense budget now i don't like

00:30:41.020 that at all i don't like slippery stuff i want people to vote on what they're getting but he was

00:30:47.060 saying that if we have to do it through the pentagon we'll do it through the pentagon say that yeah he said

00:30:51.960 that but he also said he'd shut down the government so is he going to do it i don't know i i don't know

00:30:57.340 but he's got to do it soon yeah because the uh uh the election is coming they just did uh gallup just

00:31:05.580 did a survey of what the biggest problems for americans are right now what is the biggest problem

00:31:11.560 we face you know what the number one answer was global warming government oh is our biggest problem

00:31:17.380 and they prove it every day that it is sure you just misread it because they both start with g

00:31:22.180 global no it just said government yeah number two immigration global warming was not mentioned

00:31:28.140 it never is the sad so it's a sad girlfriend who's just sitting in the corner of the dance

00:31:34.260 and i would say that that is i would say that that is true in russia in china in europe in south america

00:31:42.400 central america north america certainly true in france that is true when push comes to shove they

00:31:47.400 don't want anything to do with it yeah that it is our number one problem is the government the

00:31:51.540 government is in our way yeah and the number two problem is immigration you could say that yes big

00:31:57.540 time north america and europe that's the biggest you know the second biggest problem it would be the

00:32:03.860 first but it's the government that is causing all of the problems with immigration exactly i've been

00:32:09.420 reading um how to win friends and influence people and the number one thing it says is stop

00:32:15.600 talking about yourself start talking about the people what people want if you're negotiating with

00:32:21.500 people start find out what they want and help them get that done this has been interesting to see

00:32:27.720 you rediscover this book because when you say i'm reading out of when friends and influence people

00:32:32.200 it's such a cliche at this point yeah it doesn't seem like it would have any credibility but looking at

00:32:37.420 it with new eyes yeah my father made me read it when i was a kid he's like it'll change your life and so

00:32:42.580 i read it like god you gotta be happy and listen to people and all that so i didn't get anything out of

00:32:48.120 it um uh but i went back to read it again and it is it has all of the answers and if you look at that

00:32:57.760 what is government doing government is talking about them what's good for them what's good for the banks

00:33:04.520 what's good for their central banks what's good for the military or whatever it is what's good for

00:33:11.620 their programs they're not talking about what's good for you nobody cares if if if my life is coming

00:33:19.720 apart at the seams i don't care i don't care about anything i don't care anything about the even the

00:33:26.160 president unless he is caring about me unless this is why he won yeah because he started speaking the

00:33:35.000 language of the people and said look government is a problem and i know that it's corrupt and the

00:33:42.100 second thing is immigration he was reflecting that now you can't just talk or it will make things much

00:33:51.380 worse because now you've been betrayed and i'm not saying he's betrayed anybody but if these things

00:33:57.180 don't happen then people feel betrayed like you will wait like we do with the republican party is there

00:34:04.780 anybody who thinks the republican party even the chair people of the republican party are doing a good

00:34:10.480 thing no otherwise they would be saying something better than well it could be worse could be those guys

00:34:18.300 that's all they have that's all they have it could be worse it could be those guys well i don't want

00:34:27.320 those guys either so i'm not looking for that i'm looking for somebody who says look i i know what

00:34:34.500 you're concerned about and and i can help and i think too like you know we've talked about a lot of

00:34:39.900 the good things i know pat on pat gray unleashed has covered all the really good things that have

00:34:43.480 happened in this administration that he's done that trump has has been responsible for i mean we have a

00:34:47.400 talked about a lot a lot we have a whole documentary in production right now about the basically miracle

00:34:52.820 of the capital of israel moving to jerusalem uh with the embassy um you know so there's been a lot

00:34:58.400 of really good things the the the idea that the first defense seems to be just say whatever benefits

00:35:06.040 you at that time you know which is you know he's just he's just lying about this he should have just

00:35:10.080 told the truth at the time and it would have been over we wouldn't even remember this this issue

00:35:13.160 instead they just they push it down the road and push down the road and push down the road then the

00:35:16.840 evidence comes out and it just it doesn't help i think it would make all of this so much easier if

00:35:21.920 they were just honest about it because you have seen the power of the press the power of the press

00:35:26.240 with donald trump there is no power of the press with donald trump it doesn't matter he wins he wins

00:35:32.660 so you might as well just be honest and say yep that's exactly what happened and nobody cares and nobody

00:35:40.640 will but you can't claim to uh say that i didn't know i mean the times that he's looked us in the

00:35:49.020 face and said i had nothing to do with that i had no idea and then you find the paper trail that yes he

00:35:54.560 did he was directing it that's a problem you gotta stop doing that because we have to have someone we

00:36:03.220 can trust because we don't trust the press we don't trust the republicans mr president please

00:36:09.420 stop this we have to have someone we can trust

00:36:13.740 anybody see the uh the the fall of oil yesterday this is really disturbing it's good for us at the gas

00:36:26.420 pumps uh but it's really disturbing um i told you before uh in 2006 and 7 i said look for a sustained

00:36:35.800 i think it was 140 or 150 uh per barrel of oil if it cost 140 150 and it's sustained uh you'll see

00:36:45.360 economic collapse i think it was 130 a barrel and it wasn't sustained for very long and we had a

00:36:51.500 collapse this time look for the low price of oil because it means a couple of things this time

00:36:59.100 russia and saudi arabia cannot pay their bills when saudi arabia cannot pay their bills they're going

00:37:07.100 to try to collapse the petrodollar russia is trying to do that as well that means we lose reserve status

00:37:14.560 they can't sell oil on the u.s dollar for very much longer and when oil starts to crater like it did

00:37:23.360 yesterday a sustained cratering makes the world a very dangerous place the collapse of the petrodollar

00:37:31.140 means there's no more control over gold gold will break through all the artificial barriers may i

00:37:38.340 highly suggest to you i haven't felt this way since 2008 may i highly suggest take your money out of

00:37:46.520 the stock market if you're my age or older uh and and look for safe havens one of those safe havens

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00:38:15.120 welcome to the glenbeck program i was reading a story about uh how it's from 538 talking about

00:38:27.920 you know like how media kind of shapes our view of things and i get so frustrated as a conservative

00:38:33.320 and you know you complain about media bias in the time that it's going on and it's not until

00:38:37.340 decades later do you get the actual admission of what actually happened in these old timey situations

00:38:43.920 like at the time they never admit they're being biased and you know the lie of the year is after

00:38:49.020 obamacare's past right listen to this paragraph take the 1992 election at the time everyone thought

00:38:53.720 the economy was in shambles the recession had technically ended in 1991 and there was some

00:38:58.240 evidence the economy was expanding again but the media painted a picture of economic woe um political

00:39:03.460 scientist martin i remember i remember being on the air saying that really the recession's over

00:39:09.760 right and it was technically even i know they found a strong disconnect uh between the media's

00:39:14.760 negative reporting on the economy and how the economy was actually behaving in fact with the

00:39:18.980 benefit of hindsight we now know the economy was growing by more than three percent annually by late

00:39:23.200 1992 roughly the same place pace it was growing in 1996 when voters rewarded bill clinton with a second

00:39:29.380 presidential term hetherington's research suggests that the relentlessly bad coverage of the economy

00:39:34.200 affected voters perceptions at the ballot box george hw bush substantially underperformed his second

00:39:39.420 presidential bid and became the first republican since herbert hoover to be denied a second term

00:39:44.240 well yeah they made it sound like everyone was going to die tomorrow and it was george bush's fault

00:39:50.200 20 years 30 years later almost we all can look at this and say well what they were saying at the time

00:39:57.140 was completely ridiculous we weren't in a recession we were growing at a healthy pace and you know george

00:40:03.620 hw bush should have been re-elected in that campaign you know what it was facebook it was russia getting

00:40:10.900 involved with facebook oh that's right yeah vladimir putin at that time well it was you know it's amazing

00:40:16.740 you didn't need facebook you didn't need vladimir putin you had the mainstream media doing it for you

00:40:21.980 i mean people like oh it's getting worse no it's not it's just different it's just different that's

00:40:28.440 the that's the only thing eric bowling joins us next talk about donald trump what he's experiencing

00:40:35.580 this revelation of a new deal and much more

00:40:39.080 the fusion of entertainment and enlightenment this is the glenbeck program

00:40:48.540 there is there's a couple of remarkable stories today one of them is about politics and donald trump

00:40:57.940 and this this new letter of intent uh to uh negotiate for a uh hotel trump moscow uh it has finally been

00:41:09.120 released it was released last night eric bowling is going to have uh a different view on this i'm

00:41:15.560 i'm guessing than mine and i am really anxious to see uh what is happening in the white house

00:41:21.640 what this means uh to the white house and eric bowling uh and also there's a there's a couple of

00:41:29.640 other stories that kind of revolve around eric's life uh that i'm i'm hoping we can get into

00:41:36.700 on today's program eric bowling in one minute

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00:43:07.880 eric bowling for a period of time played professional sports until he was uh injured then he went in

00:43:24.840 became a stock uh trader in wall street uh then went to television and we know the rest from there

00:43:33.420 eric bowling on the blaze tv welcome to the program how are you eric i'm doing great glenn thank you

00:43:40.920 for having me um i'm honored to uh spend some time with you on this very interesting day it's a very

00:43:47.480 interesting day isn't it so here's the great thing here's a lot of demand for bowling to explain some

00:43:53.180 stuff coming out of the white house right so so here's here's here's the great thing about blaze tv is

00:43:59.720 we are a collection of people that we don't interfere with each other show or opinion and we

00:44:06.020 like each other and get along and we can disagree and i think we're going to disagree on this

00:44:11.940 but it doesn't matter i really want to hear your opinion on on the the memo that came out from

00:44:19.620 the trump administration well as donald trump himself said and i agree with wholeheartedly

00:44:28.520 that he had a business he had a real estate business that was doing uh making hotel deals

00:44:34.360 around around the world when he ran for president no one gave him a chance including the new york

00:44:39.400 times on the night of the election had hillary clinton with a 98 chance of winning uh as the

00:44:45.680 returns started to come in i'll never forget seeing that that meter that new york times meter

00:44:49.720 of likelihood of of your next president going literally pinned it to hillary slowly and slowly

00:44:54.840 and slowly we got around 10 o'clock at night it just flipped way over to the trump side why would

00:45:00.420 he stop doing any sort of business if he didn't if if he wasn't sure he was going to be president

00:45:05.960 that's insane we would have no one running for for elected office if that were the case we'd have no

00:45:10.640 one with with business experience and backgrounds uh running if they had to drop their prior

00:45:15.100 businesses on in in the in the likelihood or unlikelihood of them being president no less

00:45:21.800 and then all of a sudden try to pick up the pieces where they left off that would be crazy okay so i i

00:45:26.860 agree with you 100 however um he denied uh the business um dealings with moscow uh long after the

00:45:36.820 election we on he denied it rudy giuliani denied it i don't know that donald trump ever did i think he

00:45:42.000 said of course i'm an ongoing business concern multi-billion dollar international real estate

00:45:47.420 business can't stop i i love you eric i love you but i can't but i can't let you get away with that

00:45:53.820 he he denied it relentlessly he said he had no business dealings with with russia multiple times

00:45:59.800 and he said i don't know anybody who does have any business dealings

00:46:03.700 no i i i i i don't recall i swear to you on my life i don't recall i'm saying well but does it okay

00:46:11.080 so no business dealings with russia because we know there there are other um other properties that

00:46:16.900 in fact he sold a property um that he owned in florida for one i think it was at the time the

00:46:23.780 largest real estate deal in the history of that one he admitted to that one he admitted to he said the

00:46:28.180 only business dealing our business deal right he said the only business deal i have with russia

00:46:32.740 is i sold a property a few years ago in florida so he admitted that one and he was straight up about

00:46:39.000 it my question is is why why do this with the press has no credibility um people trust donald trump

00:46:48.820 who voted for him and you know he did it and you can say the same thing you know about uh you know

00:46:55.360 with bill clinton this was a personal thing it was about sex etc but he stood on the plane and he

00:47:00.660 looked at the reporters and he said i had nothing to do with it i had nothing i didn't even know about

00:47:05.540 it okay well we find out that he did know about it okay we can dismiss it because that one's a personal

00:47:11.320 thing with his wife all right now this one comes out why wouldn't he just stop all this why wouldn't

00:47:18.880 he just come out and just say yeah and here's the contract well i because i'm not sure that they

00:47:24.840 had consummated the deal at that point i think there's an ongoing concern i i saw the signature

00:47:29.140 on on the note on the memo as well i i honestly glenn i'm being 100 honest with you i don't i don't

00:47:34.440 remember him saying i have no business whatsoever with russia with the with the exception of that

00:47:38.840 real estate dealing in florida okay so um okay so i don't want to get in but if i if i take your word

00:47:44.700 for it um i could only say that that you know i he'd have to he'd have to circle back and say

00:47:51.340 how to explain explain the signature because you do know however i don't think it's a problem

00:47:57.580 there's no emoluments clause of violations whatsoever let's go back to the the reality okay

00:48:03.940 so if if in fact he said i have no business dealings with russia and he had a letter of intent

00:48:09.280 not a deal you know you and i plan we go way back we know letters of intent don't necessarily mean a

00:48:15.580 deal is done it means we intend to do a deal it's not a legal binding matter by any means that may be

00:48:20.360 where he gets around he may say look it's a letter of intent we sign letter intents around the world

00:48:24.060 all the time for everything i've signed how many letters of intent have you signed and or received

00:48:28.980 that end up not being a deal tons so maybe that's the the little cork to it but but let's let's

00:48:35.280 let's take it let's bring it through the machine and find out what it really is it's really a

00:48:39.820 businessman continuing to do business you know in the way he was until he was elected president and

00:48:45.040 then things change he gave the business and the dealings off to to eric and don jr and to a certain

00:48:50.720 extent ivanka as well less so ivanka but eric and don jr okay because it seems to me really the

00:48:57.400 underlying issue is not an issue right he's he's running a business that talks about international

00:49:01.960 real estate and he's in the middle of an international real estate deal i mean there's

00:49:06.080 nothing there guys again and it's just it's kind of dawning on me because i've got how many what 40

00:49:11.200 years in business under my belt it's it's just dawning on me as we speak right now that a letter

00:49:15.300 of intent is not a binding contract no i know no it's true no no i know that i know he was dealing

00:49:20.360 with them he was attempting to get business he kept saying you know i never had any business with

00:49:24.220 russia you know the closest i ever came to russia i bought a house a number of years ago in palm

00:49:27.640 beach florida uh you know the new york times has him on 23 locations and i don't know that all of

00:49:33.580 these a lot of them are i have nothing to do with russia which isn't necessarily the same thing

00:49:38.200 business dealings but he did say i had no business dealings with russia i had no business with russia

00:49:43.220 um you know he again i think you know in his defense right he's in the middle of getting attacked

00:49:48.180 constantly by by the media and probably he knows if he says he did have a deal brewing with russia

00:49:54.640 everyone would accuse him of a million different things and he didn't want to deal with it um and

00:49:58.520 i can understand why he tried to push it off i just feel like he it's it you know it's the whole

00:50:03.060 nixon thing it's really not the crime it's the cover-up and i don't think the crime in this case

00:50:06.540 is a crime at all it's his normal business dealings i just wish he would be a little more up front that's

00:50:11.500 that's all i would ask well and again and i'm sorry i started the interview off not really

00:50:15.800 understanding it but as i as i talk to you and talk it out a letter of intent literally is like a

00:50:21.860 handshake it's it's nothing more like hey you know let's circle back see if we can come to terms

00:50:25.900 so technically he had no business deal done even the dealings the letter of intent dealings i mean

00:50:31.620 we're going to parse you know the the meaning of is is here again but i i don't know maybe we want to

00:50:37.080 uh but again there there there was no deal done there's no deal consummated and uh you know the

00:50:43.100 difference is like when you do a deal you sign a contract and you do a press release

00:50:47.280 that's true i mean it's again it is six what is it's a letter of intent i'm laughing because it's

00:50:53.320 literally there's literally thousands of letters of intent that you know drawn up and and you know

00:50:59.780 they're they're they're worth the paper that they're written on and that that's about it yeah

00:51:03.400 no it's true i mean it's a detailed letter of intent right i mean it's 16 pages of all the different

00:51:07.780 you know going down to like how they're going to figure out concession splits i mean it's pretty it's

00:51:12.280 relatively detailed but i think to your point eric it's it's it's true that the media is going to

00:51:16.880 kind of obsess over this and they're going to say this is proof of you know collusion about the

00:51:22.820 election when i mean it really has nothing to do with that at all the election they're just going

00:51:27.620 to try to conflate these things this is the problem this is the problem that the they are conflating

00:51:34.540 absolutely everything into this collusion with russia and the election and i just don't see it i don't

00:51:42.920 believe it they would have to show me the you know the evidence of it and i have not seen any

00:51:48.640 evidence that there was collusion for the election it just it it's so frustrating because the president

00:51:57.320 you know you know the media you know these the liberal hack media that that if they can make

00:52:03.400 something up they can take a you know heat and call it a tree they will there isn't there's no

00:52:08.520 seeds and if there were and if they're if muller sitting on something it would leak by now it would

00:52:13.740 leak we would know that there would be something that they've got him tattooed to the wall and it

00:52:18.400 there's no there's no secrets in dc so eric i am i'm just to the point to where i don't really care

00:52:24.680 to speculate i don't want to i don't want to speculate on what they have what they don't have

00:52:28.300 because i'm tired of it i watch cnn it's not a news show it's it's it's like a psychic hour

00:52:34.920 that they're saying well i'm looking in the crystal ball and i think this is what they've

00:52:39.320 gotten i don't care i don't care i just want to talk about the things that we do know they have so

00:52:45.440 if they've got something else they'll come out with it until that time i don't even want to talk about

00:52:50.060 it because it makes no difference to anybody's life and it just confuses things and pits us against

00:52:56.000 each other on what on speculation coming from people i don't trust i'm not i'm not interested

00:53:02.340 well but it rates glenn and that's what the left does and you're watching msnbc's ratings

00:53:07.560 in prime time creep up in fact even past fox's ratings in prime time it's uh it's what's it's what

00:53:13.440 the left and in the anti-trump crowd wants to hear that we're getting close to to nailing the

00:53:18.580 president it's almost an anticipatory viewer waiting to see what they got and they keep getting

00:53:27.180 disappointed i know they're on almost now they've been saying that every time something new breaks

00:53:31.900 they're like we got him this time no you don't no you don't no it's not it's it's not going

00:53:37.060 anywhere um so anyway the most common phrase on cnn is the walls are closing in they just keep saying

00:53:42.080 it over and over again i know he must be living in a matchbox by now um all right eric bowling uh from

00:53:48.700 uh from eric bowling.com and blaze tv he does a nightly show from washington gives you all of the

00:53:56.300 inside uh information we're thrilled to have him uh on the program today i want to switch topics and

00:54:02.700 go away from politics a little bit if you'll allow me to uh in one minute

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00:55:41.580 so eric bowling uh i want to switch topics to you um and there's a there's a couple of things

00:56:01.920 first of all what do you have what do you have coming up and what are you going to be looking

00:56:07.940 uh at and doing on the blaze tv in the next in the next year so i think we're going to continue

00:56:14.420 to do what we do by the way glenn we we just did a big press release this morning that i i signed with

00:56:19.820 blaze tv for three years and i'm looking forward to working with you and mark and some of the other

00:56:24.820 some of the other uh conservative hosts that we we were delivering probably the the premier actually

00:56:30.740 the premier conservative content um uh in media right now the opinion content so i'm looking

00:56:36.940 forward to that and inviting as many other conservative smart conservative voices to to

00:56:41.280 join me at blaze tv it's going to be a great venture looking forward to it so that that announcement

00:56:45.560 just went out that's great i'm thrilled i'm thrilled i'm thrilled we are going to do what we've

00:56:50.300 been doing this our show america is just it's unbelievable we're we're we're in congressman's

00:56:55.480 offices we are in the senate rotunda talking to senators i spent the day yesterday at the white

00:57:00.760 house with kellyanne conway i'm i spent last week with the president in the oval office so i'm bringing

00:57:07.260 high level advisors and elected officials opinion and ideas and then you know just policy to to the

00:57:14.960 forefront and then we talk about it and we're doing it three days a week right now i think we're

00:57:18.240 going to increase that to maybe four days a week uh and we we deliver it live at 5 p.m every night so

00:57:23.620 having it's going to be a great year and we're going to continue to do what we did i'm looking

00:57:27.100 forward to working with uh with you glenn and the blaze maybe we can you know talk regularly that'd

00:57:31.940 be a lot of fun i'd love that so i'd love that as far as the show is concerned but i'm also doing

00:57:36.260 this opioid awareness push now i've i've teamed up with um sinclair broadcast on the tv and broadcast side

00:57:43.940 and uh probably for the next four months for i think through april of 19 we're traveling around the

00:57:50.000 country different cities we'll be in dallas we'll be in san antonio we'll be in um columbus ohio

00:57:55.940 northwest all over the country and we're talking opioids we had the first lady last time at liberty

00:58:00.560 university with kellyanne conway yesterday so we're getting the opioid awareness message out to

00:58:04.920 to people it's a it's an important message it's a it's a deadly killer that we need to really

00:58:09.540 really attack as a country you're doing that because of the tragic loss of your son

00:58:16.260 that we have um talked about and you were you spoke about it in a very raw and real way and

00:58:22.680 um um it was just i think it touched a lot of people eric um uh this is coming up now on your

00:58:32.340 second christmas without your son how are you doing um not well uh i'll be honest with you i have to

00:58:40.560 one of the things you'll know about me maybe your audience doesn't but we'll learn quickly is that

00:58:45.540 there's there's no on-air persona versus a you know off-air besides what you see on tv is it's

00:58:52.200 who i am and so i i'd be lying if i said i'm doing well or my wife and i are doing well it's a it's a

00:58:57.480 rough time of year um we lost our son in september of 17 a couple weeks later it was thanksgiving the

00:59:04.880 empty chair was happening and we were we were about to all fall apart as a family and uh president trump

00:59:10.840 called and you know it meant a lot for for me that he called on that moment because he knew it was it

00:59:16.440 was the first holiday and he he's subsequently called on many holidays since uh it doesn't make

00:59:21.320 it easier it just makes it um uh makes you feel like something he cares and so what the point is that

00:59:28.660 that because he showed so much empathy and compassion about this topic and and my loss and my wife's loss

00:59:35.120 um i'm really pushing to get the message out so other families don't don't have to deal with this

00:59:39.920 you know interestingly last night we finished a show at sinclair in dc here wgla and and we came

00:59:46.180 off the hour on on opioids and you know the producers came up and said oh that was that was amazing that's

00:59:51.540 great you know let's start working on san antonio on january 10th we're going to be there and they're

00:59:55.840 like this is going to be you know great and i just looked at them i go do you know how hard this is for

01:00:00.900 me to do an hour on the loss of my my only child my son and they realized at that moment that this is

01:00:07.680 really really hard for me to do but i swear to you glenn the only thing i have to hold on to that that

01:00:13.680 there's any sort of positive that can come out of it is that we save one family from from this utter

01:00:19.540 hell and it really is a hell so that's why that's what uh that's what gets me up in the morning if it

01:00:24.860 i'm not sure i i um my mother committed suicide and i remember when i did the tour for um uh the

01:00:33.920 christmas sweater uh which is um a fictional telling of of of that and i felt so compelled to do it uh

01:00:43.060 i remember i got off the stage every every night and i was just i said i can't do it another day

01:00:49.220 just cannot do it another day um it's uh sometimes when you when you hit these uh personal moments

01:00:57.220 where it is a a cause yours being opioids mine being suicide it's uh it it is it takes every

01:01:06.160 ounce of strength you have to get through it and i commend you for doing that feeling you felt i can't

01:01:11.480 do another day is what i felt last night and after the first one and and uh you know it's a great message

01:01:17.160 and it's a great uh you know broadcast partnership with sinclair they've they've they're they blanket

01:01:22.420 the country on on local stations and they they they're happy to announce 12 more and i just looked

01:01:28.440 at them like okay 12 more you know i mean it's going to be rough but listen if you can get the suicide

01:01:35.940 message out um help people who who are or contemplating and maybe make the phone call to the suicide

01:01:44.540 profession hotline or if i can get the message out to families parents talk to your kids

01:01:48.960 no one's no one's immune your kid's not too smart too popular too athletic too white too black too gay

01:01:55.080 too straight too rich too poor they'll all be touched or the kids one pill can kill and maybe we

01:02:01.440 save a life or two then eric bowling continue in just a minute

01:02:07.300 you're listening to glenn beck

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01:03:27.880 eric bowling who has just announced a new three-year deal with blaze tv we're thrilled to uh have you on

01:03:40.780 um eric uh he does uh eric bowling's america on blaze tv three soon to be four days um a week and um

01:03:50.200 and is and is with all of the players in washington knows them uh can you give me any perspective i

01:03:56.600 want to touch on this real quick then i want to get to something else but he dropped can we get him

01:04:02.000 can we get him back wow the deal's over already he signs three years and then he's just gone wow

01:04:07.100 okay see if you can get him back i want to ask him about the border uh uh wall and then uh did we did

01:04:12.880 we schedule him for there he is okay um hey eric how are you i'm good glenn how are you good i want to

01:04:19.800 talk to you about one quick thing uh politics then we get something more important um the border wall

01:04:24.620 uh it looks like now we are we've we've caved on shutting the government down does the president

01:04:32.620 have another plan like he's talked about building it through the pentagon or what's the plan on the

01:04:38.040 border wall yeah we can talk about i don't i i think he's going to build his wall one way or the

01:04:43.340 other i agree that he can't cave on on i actually i wish he would have not have caved on

01:04:49.780 making mexico pay for it i think that that still has to be part of it some way so well but we just

01:04:54.300 we just said we're going to give him five billion dollars i mean we could have given the border

01:05:00.380 construction people five billion dollars but we gave it to mexico yeah well listen i i'm this is one i

01:05:07.560 think he has to hold i think this is this is one he has to figure out before you know before a

01:05:11.800 re-election campaign but it's just something um if he caves on this it's it's going to be one of

01:05:17.460 they wants for him okay um eric can i talk to you about something and you can feel free to say no

01:05:21.920 and we can move on um but you said something to me when we did our podcast uh and you were very open

01:05:29.120 and honest um and i didn't follow up on it because i felt that i had put you through the ringer enough

01:05:35.200 um personally but i think in this holiday season uh if you would address it i i i think it would be

01:05:43.720 um enlightening you told me that um not only did your uh your son die the day he died but your faith

01:05:52.840 did as well yeah we can talk about that you were a guy who went to church if i'm not mistaken every day

01:05:59.440 six days six days six days yeah i went five days a week at when i got to to work i would go over to

01:06:07.180 saint patrick's and on sunday i went every sunday and it was for many for 10 years i went six days a

01:06:13.500 week and now you say you don't the last day i went to church was that day was a friday and are you

01:06:22.340 what's your relationship with god what's what's your what's happening

01:06:26.460 it's uh it's complicated

01:06:31.300 um i'm i'm i'm i'm trying to figure out i'm still trying to figure it out um i believe there's

01:06:42.500 probably many people do that you know you're a good person you go to church you you sacrifice

01:06:48.220 you do the right thing you be charitable be honest take care of people you know i can't tell

01:06:56.020 him in terms of pull over and hand someone an umbrella i mean i was just yeah and and in the

01:07:02.160 hopes of you know having some i guess maybe it's a it's not a right it's not the correct way of

01:07:09.060 thinking but in hopes of having some sort of protection against something as catastrophic as

01:07:14.020 is what happened to me i you know i lost my son and my my career was kind of ended in and my faith

01:07:20.340 on the same day so yeah still still working it out so do you you still believe in god or is it a kind

01:07:31.320 of i'm i'm angry or i don't know who you are or i reject you what what where are you no it's it's not

01:07:38.140 i reject you it's it's um anger if if i believe it's anger and if if i don't believe anymore it's

01:07:48.200 what if i died i wasted all this time and i don't know i'm i'm i'll be honest with you i don't mind

01:07:55.120 being honest with with you in public i i don't know i don't know where i am i don't know are you um

01:08:03.720 are you pursuing this or are you just letting it settle till things calm down no i i mean it

01:08:10.560 but in the the really strange thing about this this loss is you know you think about things like

01:08:17.120 what happens if i lost this person or that and when a loss of this magnitude i don't think there

01:08:22.400 is a big a greater loss in the world than losing a child an only child um you get thrown into a depth

01:08:28.960 that's literally inexplicable so the worst thing you could ever possibly the lowest the most worst

01:08:34.200 feeling you ever think you could feel multiply it by you know a million it's such a devastating

01:08:40.760 hole what you're doing it's literally a daily struggle just to make it out of it just to just

01:08:46.220 to see that that there is a life and so to start tackling the big issues like where's my faith

01:08:52.880 i i i need to my wife and i both need need to heal like i do this the opioid um tour and she can't go

01:09:01.360 because she it just breaks her apart just you know seeing a picture and so it breaks me apart too like

01:09:07.800 last night the producers didn't tell me that there's a picture of eric chase and i in in the

01:09:12.180 middle of the the show and it just popped up and it almost derailed me for the whole show so it's

01:09:18.340 still that i did an event here in dc for uh for opioids and i was a keynote speaker i got there

01:09:24.160 and they were rolling pictures and i didn't know they were rolling pictures of eric and i and i

01:09:28.200 couldn't even speak i couldn't do the event i was in tears and so anyway eric it's a daily struggle

01:09:34.780 may we all pray for you and your wife thank you clen um try to enjoy the holiday and um

01:09:46.420 and i i just yeah there's no there's no enjoyment i mean it's called make it true that's what it

01:09:53.820 literally is now but um so may you make it through the prayers god bless you eric thank you

01:10:01.320 len thank you so much that's brave to i mean that's that's brave to talk about like that i mean

01:10:07.280 that's that's really that's really incredible i can't even imagine what that guy's gone through

01:10:11.940 i don't think i don't think any of us know how we would react no it's easy to say well eric that's

01:10:18.940 when you need your faith that's when you sure but no none of us know how we're gonna react and i think

01:10:26.280 if we deny that people would struggle with a situation like that it's even to their to level

01:10:31.260 of the core of their faith then we're letting people down because when this does happen to people

01:10:36.460 and it does you know this is a very honest process like this is how you're gonna feel i i mean i i

01:10:43.280 haven't had to deal with something like that and in my head i know that if something like that happened

01:10:47.500 i you you'd have no choice i think to question everything that you've assumed about life um

01:10:54.560 hopefully you come back to you know or you you're able to get to the right place and i i really pray

01:11:00.660 eric does as well and i think you know he's going to have his own journey on that and it's that's tough

01:11:04.540 but i mean to be able to come out and talk about that in front of people and as difficult as you

01:11:07.860 can tell it is for him that is really important uh you know that's uh that's a really brave act

01:11:12.820 for him to do not only what he just did on the air but also with opioids and everything he's doing

01:11:17.420 around the country really important stuff really brave and incredibly difficult he's doing that

01:11:22.180 extreme personal sacrifice he's so honest if you missed the um if you missed the interview that i did

01:11:29.400 with him uh for a podcast i think you'll probably find it on youtube now that's certainly yeah it's

01:11:34.980 certainly available yeah um and and watch it um because this is the first time he really opened up

01:11:41.900 um on a national platform about the death of his son and uh it was incredibly brave and incredibly raw

01:11:52.320 uh and he is obviously a man who is is going through a gigantic change in his life um and cannot see the

01:12:04.720 blessings yet but most of us can't when we're when we're in that uh we're in that space you know he

01:12:13.260 it was brave of him to say you know i kind of looked at my faith differently i kind of looked at my

01:12:19.360 service differently and nowhere really is that promised that i mean look at jesus um you know

01:12:27.720 it seems like all of the good guys always get killed one way or another you know you look at

01:12:35.520 all of the martyrs uh that that you know just stood and we're we're saying no no no i think you should

01:12:45.000 read the bible in your own language i don't think you should have to have it in latin and go to a

01:12:48.820 priest because you can't read latin burned at the stake all these really great people that lost

01:12:55.020 their lives all of the apostles and look at the stoning of stephen like it's so funny i just read

01:13:03.440 a story last night of of a guy who survived the chicago fire uh and it wiped his family out and they

01:13:14.440 were just getting back on their feet and decided to go to uh europe for a vacation with the family this

01:13:22.560 is like 1903 or 5 something like that and um the dad has to stay but he said i'll meet you over there

01:13:30.920 so the mom and their uh four children their four daughters are on this on this boat and it's it hits

01:13:41.340 another ocean liner in the middle of the ocean and it sinks she lives and uh the children die and she

01:13:52.400 just she just uh wires to him when he when she arrives in france she wires back to her husband

01:14:00.180 i survived alone i don't know what i'm going to do he gets onto a boat he goes over he gets her

01:14:10.040 um as they're crossing the ocean the captain says this is where it happened the captain marked in his

01:14:20.040 journal that he noticed they never looked down to the sea they looked up and they came back to uh

01:14:27.920 chicago they had two other children one died at three one died at seven their pastor said you're

01:14:36.220 being punished you've done something wrong so they just surrender completely they move to israel

01:14:44.660 and they start just helping people first they they go into world war one and they just start

01:14:51.480 helping people um anybody who's wounded doesn't matter what side it's on then they move to israel

01:14:57.940 and eventually they build the children's hospital that is still serving people today and it doesn't

01:15:05.200 matter if you're arab or you're jewish or you're christian the policy of the hospital is you have to have

01:15:12.120 help help and they're there i i i don't know how people survive but it's a very delicate dance uh with with god

01:15:26.500 of being able to

01:15:28.360 let it go without forgetting it's so difficult but letting it go and knowing that there is some reason

01:15:40.580 and it's a good reason that these things happen to us and my prayer for eric and anyone else that is

01:15:50.240 struggling is that you will hear the words it's okay all is well everything is good everything is as it

01:16:04.100 should be our puny little human brains cannot wrap around the idea of tragedy being good but in the end

01:16:19.660 if you can let it go and let it shape you in positive ways look at what eric is doing he's going to save

01:16:29.460 lives that's a positive that has come out of this back in a minute

01:16:37.180 when i come back from uh vacation after the holidays i'm going to spend some time with you

01:16:46.440 talking about how the economy what's next um i haven't uh i haven't been clear like this for

01:16:55.140 i don't know how many years on being able to look at the news stories and go wait wait wait that's

01:16:59.520 connected over here and this one's connected over here uh the last few weeks especially uh have been

01:17:06.280 um game changing uh for me and i'm seeing the connections on things and what's coming and uh we're

01:17:15.380 going to go through some rough patches and i i urge you right now to consider diversifying anything that

01:17:22.780 you might have um we are going to go through a very rough patch have you considered putting gold or

01:17:31.020 silver in and away and not buying it paper but buying physical gold or silver just read about

01:17:39.180 what's happening in saudi arabia uh just today and the petrodollar and what's happening to the price of

01:17:45.180 oil they are on the edge and if the petrodollar goes away so do all price controls and all the games

01:17:52.380 that they're playing with gold because that means the dollar loses its reserve status and there are

01:17:57.680 countries that are pushing for that but saudis are in real trouble please consider gold or silver now

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01:18:21.240 we just never seem to have enough time in the clenbeck program to hit all of the things that uh

01:18:30.440 that we want to hit um um there's a lot of stuff going on with the economy that uh nobody's really

01:18:38.700 covering um but keep your eye on this uh during the holiday season because things are happening fast

01:18:45.440 and furious also uh the russians look like they are repositioning two nuclear bombers in venezuela

01:18:52.260 uh the uh uh apparently russian advisors are uh arriving in venezuela sometime this week

01:19:01.120 uh the administration has already tweeted out you know unacceptable um but venezuela and russia appear

01:19:09.500 to be uh working together and and that's never good we also have a guest on uh next hour helen

01:19:16.240 andrews who has a really different perspective on on life and uh and social media because she has

01:19:26.300 walked a horrific walk yeah her story is really fascinating she was on c-span and she got in basically

01:19:34.360 what was an argument with an ex-boyfriend on c-span who sort of uh by my reading of it sort of ambushed

01:19:40.540 her on live television and went viral and changed her life this is about i mean what uh seven or eight

01:19:47.380 years ago and how her journey of how she dealt with that and where that's turned out is really

01:19:52.620 fascinating she's going to join us next a compelling compelling story from helen andrews coming up

01:20:01.020 hey it's glenn and i want to tell you about something that you should either end your day

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01:23:00.620 it was october 2010 when our next guest appeared on a panel to promote a book of essays by young

01:23:17.720 conservatives proud to be right voices of the next conservative generation the moderator was jonah

01:23:25.040 goldberg one of the other panelists was my ex-boyfriend during the question and answering

01:23:31.460 uh todd the boyfriend launched into a rant about uh helen's personal failings he accused me of

01:23:41.220 opposing obamacare on the grounds that it would diminish human suffering which allegedly i preferred

01:23:47.220 to increase of wanting to appeal laws against fistfights for the same reasons of being statistic

01:23:53.000 and scheming a heartbreaker in his own personal life and generally living according to a disturbing

01:23:59.640 and brutal set of values for three minutes and 45 seconds which unfortunately for me

01:24:05.940 were captured on film for broadcast two weeks later on c-span he made an impassioned case that i was a

01:24:13.060 sociopath it stuck helen andrews is that woman that was on c-span welcome to the program

01:24:21.800 thanks so much for having me glenn wow helen you've been through the ringer and back are you back yet

01:24:29.320 yeah yeah it's um been eight years since that happened um but you know just the uh week or the

01:24:38.560 very day that i sat down to write this essay my husband came home and said honey you won't believe

01:24:43.060 what happened i was at a conference and we were talking about bad breakups in the conservative

01:24:47.960 movement and one guy pulled out his phone and said oh my goodness if you want to talk about bad

01:24:53.060 conservative breakups you have to see this c-span thing the poor guy had no idea that he was talking

01:24:59.560 to my husband after eight years uh it would have faded away but no it still still pops up that's the

01:25:07.480 thing the the internet is forever yeah so i want to talk to you a little bit about there's something

01:25:11.700 in in europe that they're they're trying to push through and that is the right to be forgotten

01:25:16.200 um which is very very human i mean we do forget things and and things fade but with the internet

01:25:23.880 it's permanently there always and you'll never can escape it so tell me what tell me what happened

01:25:31.060 um that day and tell me your journey here in the last you know eight years

01:25:36.660 uh sure well um as soon as the video went up on the internet those three minutes and 45 seconds

01:25:46.140 were instantly clipped and posted on youtube and they got half a million hits in the first 48 hours

01:25:54.480 all the cable news networks did a segment about it it even made the local network news here in dc

01:26:01.180 it was written up on god washington post you know guy mental on ex-girlfriend at c-span panel

01:26:08.820 um so all of my co-workers saw the video all my friends saw the video um it just became a huge story

01:26:16.520 how old were you when you sat down for that interview and you were because you were 22 when you dated this

01:26:22.680 guy right yeah and i think i was uh 24 when the video went big so you know i yeah i was

01:26:30.880 24 years old and basically thought well that's my life over now right and you admit that you were

01:26:37.240 pretty pure pretty brutal to him oh yeah well and and you know that's where i eventually arrived

01:26:44.600 you know i i uh thought about you know todd's uh talking for four minutes about what a bad person i am

01:26:52.440 well you know honestly he could have gone on for four hours about what a bad person i was to him and not

01:26:58.680 said anything untrue you know so who am i to say that i didn't deserve being embarrassed you know

01:27:05.300 so so after you had you know half a million hits in 48 hours how did your life begin to change

01:27:12.640 um i think i didn't realize at first just how permanent a part of my life this thing was going to be

01:27:24.120 um i thought it would just be a week of bad news coverage and that would be embarrassing but then

01:27:28.340 i would move on um it started off with little things like i would be walking down the street

01:27:33.860 on one occasion with my parents and people would stop and point and say hey c-span girl

01:27:39.060 about a year after the um incident i decided i wanted to move on from my job at national review

01:27:47.160 and funniest thing no matter how many resumes i sent out i couldn't get a job interview

01:27:53.120 um which made sense i put myself in the shoes of a prospective employer and i figured yeah if i

01:27:59.460 were trying to hire for a position and somebody's first google result was some rant about how she's

01:28:04.960 maybe a psycho you know yeah i might look at other candidates too but you know that's easy enough for

01:28:10.700 them to say but for me it was a um a pretty serious blow to not be able to find a job and eventually

01:28:17.760 as you mentioned i moved to australia moved to the other side of the world uh and even there

01:28:22.520 um because that's the thing about google it's completely global uh it followed me to the to

01:28:28.780 another hemisphere and so when you were looking for a job there you couldn't find a job for like 18

01:28:33.940 months because people first thing they would do is google your name that's right and then once i did

01:28:39.640 find a job at a think tank it still followed me there you know i i put out my first report on

01:28:45.880 non-profit regulation right like the way charities are regulated in australia a pretty you know benign

01:28:51.800 topic but the minute the report was released an australian mp uh tweeted a link to the video and

01:28:58.960 said i don't trust this person's views on charity regulation you know not even some schmo on the

01:29:04.700 internet but an elected official has decided to to use that as ammo against you know any any public

01:29:10.940 statement i want to might want to make in the future so i have an all-purpose rebuttal i have to

01:29:16.140 ask the obvious question here from the right and that is do you think it would have been the same

01:29:21.460 if you uh were a liberal and not a conservative um no i don't think so um you know i people always say

01:29:31.920 don't read the comments and that is definitely my advice to anybody else that this ever happens to

01:29:36.460 don't ever read the comments but i couldn't help myself uh and the thing that i noticed over and over

01:29:42.480 again is that these people would say well you know gossip is bad and we shouldn't make fun of people

01:29:48.200 for bad things in their personal lives it's none of our business but in this case this chick is

01:29:53.640 obviously some kind of christian right-wing nut job so therefore that makes her a hypocrite and that's

01:29:59.340 why it's okay for us to talk about it uh that's something that a lot of people do psychologically when

01:30:04.240 they join in on these internet pile-ons you know they come up with a reason for why no it's actually

01:30:09.800 okay in this case you know it's justified when really it's just they're they're joining in because

01:30:15.200 it's fun is there any difference do you think between i mean other than the final outcome um is

01:30:21.620 there any difference between this and the mobs that used to dunk the witches or or burn the witches

01:30:27.020 that a lot of people just joined that didn't you know just didn't have anything else to do

01:30:32.440 oh yeah and and the way that you know it's completely irrational you know that it has no

01:30:40.000 basis in in actual justice or truth or logic is that arguing back never ever helps you know if if

01:30:49.600 anybody who finds themselves in the middle of one of these storms your first instinct is always going

01:30:54.640 to be oh well i'll just explain my side of the story and then everyone will understand but uh because

01:31:00.740 nobody in one of these pylons is interested in the truth anything you say is just going to be

01:31:07.360 twisted out of context or made to make it sound worse or it's going to be like you know crying when

01:31:13.580 a bully attacks you in the schoolyard you know nobody's listening so rational argument isn't going

01:31:20.340 to help anything holy cow um how you survive this is beyond me and and that's i guess where i want to go

01:31:27.300 next how did you survive it what did you take from it how should you fight these things um if it if it

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01:33:21.800 this is the glenn beck program and we're talking to helen andrews a conservative writer she wrote a

01:33:44.600 piece in in first things called shame storm helen you brought up something i think is really

01:33:49.800 interesting about how people won't uh react to rational thought in these moments and it strikes

01:33:55.480 me that when these things start when these sort of online shame uh trains begin we in ourselves wind

01:34:03.520 up excusing a lot of awful behavior to in an attempt to pile on we like you use a great example which

01:34:11.020 was kevin williamson we love kevin he's been on the show before he went to the atlantic people don't

01:34:15.500 remember the story and they unearthed some uh comment that he had made about abortion and the comment

01:34:20.780 the controversy really wasn't about the comment afterwards people started saying i'm fearful to work

01:34:26.700 with kevin williamson um i you know 25 he might want to kill 25 of the of the women who work here

01:34:33.280 and you point out correctly no one actually believed kevin williamson was a threat to anyone

01:34:39.200 around them they had justified in this moral sort of crusade the idea that they could say anything

01:34:45.880 about this person and and and lie about their own feelings to because this was so justified did you

01:34:53.040 feel like you were kind of at the other end of that going through this process uh sure um you know i i

01:35:00.000 would read in in comments or blog posts people saying things about me that were just not true

01:35:05.420 you know that were just factually easily checkably false um and i kind of wondered how is it that

01:35:11.900 these people who have never met me uh care so much about ruining my life what did i ever do to make them

01:35:17.900 so angry with me and eventually i realized that they're not angry at me they don't care all that

01:35:22.680 much about me one way or the other uh they've got their own reasons they're angry at women or they're

01:35:28.200 angry at conservatives or they're just angry in general and like lashing out um or they just enjoy

01:35:33.820 the rush of feeling outrage you know you really once you read enough of the comments or follow

01:35:39.920 enough of these shame storms you realize it's not about you it's not about the person at the middle of

01:35:45.440 it um it's just about there's just a pattern to the dynamic of the way these things always go it's

01:35:51.240 like a wave or an avalanche so so how how do you deal with it because you i would imagine you've

01:35:59.520 tried you tried all of the you know argue let it go don't read it uh be nice i mean what works

01:36:08.940 you know it's it's funny it took me a long time to get to a place where i'm okay with it but once i

01:36:17.500 did i realized i was actually grateful um that this i i truly believe it was part of a bigger plan

01:36:24.840 that this should happen to me that you know i was a pretty rotten person when i was 24 i was selfish

01:36:30.300 and careless and very proud uh and i don't know if anything short of this kind of knock upside the

01:36:38.140 head i could have done it for me um you know i i was raised in a very secular household you know the

01:36:45.380 only church we recognized was the church of npr um but uh uh it was only in college and after going

01:36:53.260 into conservative journalism that i met any christians at all and one of the things that

01:36:58.560 one of them said to me after this whole c-span thing happened was you know helen there is no humility

01:37:04.460 without humiliation and and gosh was that true you know um i was just a very proud person

01:37:11.880 my instinct was always to think that i don't deserve this bad thing that's happening to me

01:37:16.560 but i i that saying that just stuck in my head there is no humility without humiliation

01:37:22.960 led me to some self-reflection realizing that you know yeah uh the only solution here is to try and

01:37:30.180 become a better person um so so that was my lesson so let me ask you because i i think that's a great

01:37:37.500 lesson to learn and one i have learned um through the years sure have uh shut up um but uh a it's

01:37:47.820 important that we uh recognize you know that you know recognize our place in the universe and time

01:37:56.320 and space um however it also seems that no matter uh how much you change it's not gonna they're just

01:38:04.880 going to say you're only doing that because of x y and z so you never escape that does that make

01:38:12.720 sense to you are have you experienced that uh absolutely absolutely um that there's no you know

01:38:20.360 uh there's no way to indicate that you've changed or reformed um which uh you know that's the only

01:38:28.340 thing that you know there's nothing you can do to change how other people correct think you know

01:38:33.480 they're they're not your problem you you only have control over you but one thing that that i've

01:38:38.980 certainly taken away is that when i see other people who have been through these kinds of shame

01:38:43.700 storms or i hear rumors about somebody oh he did some kind of bad thing in the past or she's guilty

01:38:49.020 of this if it's been a while i always start from the default of assuming unless they indicate or

01:38:55.800 prove to me otherwise that they have changed and they have become a better person give people

01:39:00.360 the benefit of the doubt it seems like we have we're living in a society that just doesn't ever

01:39:06.680 forgive yeah well you know i've gotten a lot of feedback ever since this essay was published um you

01:39:16.160 know uh some people some people whose names i recognize and have seen on tv uh reached out and said

01:39:21.960 something like this happened to me thank you for you know including a ray of hope at the end of

01:39:28.100 your story but the the messages that got to me the most were from you know people in a small town

01:39:35.120 who nobody had ever heard of who aren't that famous but whose lives have been wrecked or overturned

01:39:42.100 uh by events like this you know they said i was the worst person on the internet for 48 hours

01:39:48.180 and then everybody else moved on but i'm still here living amidst the wreckage

01:39:53.500 uh um there's a guy i could spend so much time talking to you helen and one question before we

01:39:58.000 go we got about one minute you wound up eventually reconnecting with your ex-boyfriend where this

01:40:02.920 whole incident started and you've you've talked to him since how do you what's your relationship

01:40:07.580 like now how does he see this yeah it's no it's quite positive you know it's we we we because he

01:40:15.180 suffered just as much as i did you know he eventually lost his job um over over this incident

01:40:21.880 um and and he's kind of you know people made fun of him on the internet he finds it hard to get gigs

01:40:27.200 now um and so we both kind of learned a lesson he he i asked him if he would do it over again if he

01:40:34.340 if he had the choice and he said absolutely not not a chance yeah um so yeah no and and and i forgive

01:40:40.880 him and he forgives me and and that's really that the moral of this story helen thank you for having

01:40:47.640 the guts first of all for not giving up um and and then finding the positive message in it uh and

01:40:56.700 and changing your life i think of redemption that's not going to go viral um but it should

01:41:02.680 because it's important and i think it's going to happen to all of us in one way or another helen thank

01:41:08.120 you thank you so much you bet helen andrews um you can read this story it's fascinating to read

01:41:15.220 um and she's and she really goes into great detail of other people and and the things that

01:41:22.000 she tried along the way um you can see it it's at first things it's called shame storm just just

01:41:28.480 to google search helen andrews and shame storm well we'll tweet it out as well yeah maybe you

01:41:34.680 shouldn't google her because then you just you're just playing into it you bastard what are you

01:41:38.680 doing she's a psychopath she's a really bad person i've heard at world of stew at glenn beck we'll get

01:41:43.600 that tweeted in the next couple minutes here you're listening to glenn beck so what are your plans

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01:43:12.140 this is a glenn beck program uh and we welcome uh andrew heaton uh probably one of the wouldn't

01:43:24.040 you say one of the most universally liked guys in the building yeah but most that's mostly because

01:43:28.860 we're all really really awful people other than you so it's a very low it's on a curve yeah yeah if we

01:43:34.400 we just expanded buildings i'd go back to being in the middle uh but uh very funny uh wicked smart

01:43:43.000 and uh and opinionated but uh open to other people's opinions which i which i love uh what

01:43:49.900 do you what do you what do you uh what do you what are you planning on doing for christmas and

01:43:53.660 the holidays well when i'm uh i'm gonna see my family in oklahoma i'm gonna spend some time at

01:43:59.120 snuffy's which is the main sponsor of the program uh snuffy's is a diner if you're not familiar with

01:44:03.220 this it's a diner where all the wait staff waiters and waitresses ride horses i'm surprised

01:44:07.160 this hasn't taken off you know outside of oklahoma oh it's it's not actually in oklahoma it's off route

01:44:12.040 44 uh snuffy's diner uh but it's a lot of fun i'm gonna go check they've got a uh they've got a

01:44:16.640 nativity display this year where everybody's on horses uh and uh and they and i i pointed out well

01:44:21.400 like what about you know weren't there like camels and donkeys and things and they're like oh no we got

01:44:25.320 guys in donkey costumes on horses so everybody's on horses including the animals and uh thought of

01:44:30.400 everything yeah they're they're really on top of stuff and i just talked to their uh the the owner

01:44:34.200 of snuffy's tom snuffhauser he is uh he is sponsoring because he's a committed guy he is

01:44:38.200 sponsoring this year a um emotional support horse that he is going to be bringing on plane flights

01:44:43.240 with him throughout the united states so he's he's going to be taking a i think it's a it's a mustang

01:44:46.900 it's a 1.2 ton mustang he's going to take that onto the plane with him really but if you get a picture

01:44:50.760 with him you get a free meal wow if you tweet at them yeah okay so i'm gonna go is that for a vet or

01:44:55.560 something or no it's just you're just a big big fan of horses and emotional support horses uh so

01:45:00.580 i'll probably do christmas dinner there i think with my family but i wanted to i wanted to posit

01:45:05.020 where i want you to go because you're traveling are you not yeah i'm traveling are you driving yes we

01:45:08.660 are we're driving i assume that you holiday in oklahoma i assume that that's where you go to

01:45:12.940 unwind it's not is it not it's not but i may be going through okay if you're going through

01:45:16.760 oklahoma because we were talking about this off air and this is great there is a it's now

01:45:20.600 unfortunately it's a private zoo but i think you i think you could strong arm your way in

01:45:23.860 okay um but it used to be open to the public it's called little river zoo in norman oklahoma

01:45:28.380 i'm not making this up it is a zoo for animals rejected by bigger better zoos if you want to pet

01:45:36.380 a kangaroo you can because ours is blind uh it's it's it's a phenomenal place and all the animals

01:45:42.620 are like a lot of them are just terrible pets like tigers and mountain lions and things that turned

01:45:47.140 out to like not be a very good thing if you if you own them and so they're they're all there and uh

01:45:51.580 i uh i went there it sounds like a sad place it no no no no no this is this is this is a

01:45:57.300 wonderful happy place uh this is where again i'm not i'm not making any of this up what i'm saying

01:46:01.700 right now it is where all of the organ grinding monkeys in america retire to like you know the

01:46:06.960 like those things those all go to norman oklahoma to little river zoo i didn't know those were still

01:46:12.360 around they are there's there was like when i was you know this was about 10 years ago so i don't you

01:46:16.840 know i don't know what the lifespan of an average uh organ grinding monkey is but they let's assume

01:46:22.640 that some of them are around i went there i went there a few times i took my brother there when i

01:46:26.480 was in college i took a date there we're not married it didn't work out what a surprise i know

01:46:30.840 i you are such a catch you'd think still single can you believe that still you know i just i thought

01:46:36.580 taking a woman to look at a bunch of rejected animals in cages would just be a way into her heart

01:46:41.500 right uh but it didn't work out but i but i was there on a date and uh they took me to this big

01:46:45.900 pen full of organ grinding monkeys and this is do not picture the alcatraz of monkeys this is this

01:46:50.800 is like chicken wire and stuff right okay um and i went what do you do when the monkeys get out and

01:46:55.040 they were like they don't get out and i was like really though like surely some of them and one of

01:46:58.860 them went okay listen about once a year you see the big one his name is goliath once a year he gets

01:47:03.500 out and we just leave bottles of schnapps around the zoo and then he drinks him and he passes out we bring

01:47:08.680 it back in i was like that is the greatest job ever i was like that i would that would honey i'm

01:47:16.460 sorry i know we were gonna go to dinner tonight but i have to get that monkey drunk yeah it's

01:47:19.560 goliath yeah i've got i've got he likes peppermint schnapps so it's anyway i think you should go

01:47:23.920 through there i might i'm gonna i'm gonna look into this because i i hadn't thought about this so

01:47:26.820 it's not a sad place it's not like going to like where where all of the stray dogs and cats are

01:47:31.080 kept no i don't i don't think i mean wait wait wait you don't think well i think it depends

01:47:36.800 on how you view zoos right because i view zoos as having a very wide latitude i've been to some

01:47:41.740 terrible zoos yes there are there are a couple that really are jails for kids but i've been to

01:47:45.480 other zoos that i thought were wonderful i didn't get a sad vibe when i was there and i'm going to

01:47:48.800 look into this because i wonder if this this might be my cause du jour for 2019 is trying to properly

01:47:52.960 fund a little river zoo in norman oklahoma get that off the ground again because it does seem like

01:47:56.840 a while ago is that correct i'm i'm looking this up i'm fascinated by the last i checked it was still

01:48:01.820 existent but it had closed down for public so they because they still had all these animals that

01:48:05.880 literally couldn't be moved because they were such they were in so horrible condition that they

01:48:09.380 couldn't send them out so they had some kind of status there i don't know that was 10 years ago

01:48:12.900 if not i guess i'm going to quit my job become a zookeeper restart this it seems to me i mean this

01:48:17.180 seems to be first of all a legitimate place yeah uh and it is uh it was 2011 it closed to the public

01:48:23.200 right as a zoo okay this last i checked yeah and then it seemed like it was going to open up as an

01:48:27.400 animal sanctuary after okay after this so i don't know that it's a better name for it than a zoo

01:48:32.180 for reject zoo animal sanctuary is probably better marketing yes i agree than the zoo that has all

01:48:38.520 the animals that were rejected still there then that means there's something i can work with and

01:48:43.040 then my my goal will either be to re-expand it into a zoo or just to release all the monkeys into

01:48:47.480 oklahoma which i think would make it for a more fun state i think that would be if if there's that

01:48:52.020 would just make for a more interesting state okay all right uh okay are you a are you a cat person or

01:48:59.660 a dog person i am hardcore dog i thought i i am uh my my last girlfriend which i had one thank you

01:49:07.020 she described me as a labrador retriever hosting a game show that was her uh her opinion of me as a

01:49:11.820 person um when she was breaking up with you no that was that was during the honeymoon period

01:49:16.020 she thought that was a good thing uh yeah i know i love dogs i absolutely love dogs i just uh i'm

01:49:22.480 going to start volunteering here in dallas uh to walk dogs uh actually something i really want to get

01:49:26.600 involved with next year is if if i you know i'm still getting into dallas right now so i don't

01:49:30.460 have a lot of free time at night but if i if i settle down a little bit i want to get a dog and

01:49:33.940 there's a charity here where you can go to hospice with a dog which i think would be really nice because

01:49:37.360 oh that's a really good idea yeah so i i want to do that next year you know it's funny they don't

01:49:40.860 they don't bring cats to why would they bring a cat right you want to be judged on your deathbed by

01:49:45.040 an animal that grabs in a box is that what you want i don't want that i don't this is the thing

01:49:50.160 that really bugs me about because i my when i lived in new york my my roommates had cats notice that i said my

01:49:54.820 roommates had cats i did not and i and i i was nice to the cats but but i i would go you know like

01:50:00.160 like when i meet a dog a dog loves you most of the time right dogs just love you and and they'd go well

01:50:05.140 the thing is you have to earn the cat's respect and i'm like i'm a man and i've never done that

01:50:11.420 to another human being if i was like oh hey what's your name stew why should i care you would think i'm

01:50:16.700 a terrible person but for some reason if it's furry and it has four legs it's fine no i'm not i'm not

01:50:21.380 putting up with that i don't i i despise cats and i and and it and it it brushes off uh and rubs off

01:50:29.840 onto cat people if you even sense it you don't even have to have a cat but if you like cat i'm

01:50:34.820 suspicious of you yeah i i will the the only thing i'll throw in is um i i have i will give out to cat

01:50:41.060 people that cats have a very wide range of personalities and there are occasionally you

01:50:44.860 will find that cat that's super cool it's just that you never know which one it's going to be like

01:50:48.120 you know with dogs like you've got a pretty good idea what the breed's going to do but with cats

01:50:51.620 like every once in a while the red ones seem to be okay i don't know why we're not the red ones seem

01:50:55.760 fine i don't know why is that the category i think i don't know i i don't understand this so that people

01:51:00.660 don't get together on thanksgiving and watch the cat show yeah you watch the great american dog show

01:51:05.780 yeah and you don't hear a lot of stories about a valiant cat going in and saving a toddler from a fire

01:51:09.800 there's just you know they move on yeah they're and i see i think this is part of my evolutionary

01:51:14.540 theory because dogs have been around for a long time right dogs from what we know they've been

01:51:18.120 around we think maybe i think it's like 20 000 years and they and so we're all we're all nomads

01:51:22.660 right and these dogs show up and we're like that that's kind of a cool wolf use that right because

01:51:27.820 it would they probably followed us around we think that they um they uh probably were were useful not

01:51:33.980 so much for hunting but because they would alert us to other humans coming in and and pre pre

01:51:38.420 uh civilizational man was incredibly violent so dogs were good and it might be where we get

01:51:42.380 property uh property rights from this is this is my i think a matt ridley theory maybe somebody else

01:51:46.760 is that uh you look like if you're living in a tribe with eight people you share all this stuff

01:51:50.940 dogs don't work that way though dogs are like nope you're my human and so we're like oh i own this

01:51:55.240 thing now i own a dog property rights rule of law that's we get those from dogs not cats wow that's

01:52:00.560 pretty deep that could be viewed as slavery for the dog the dog chose it yeah the dog chose it was like

01:52:06.240 i mean it may be indentured servitude i don't think when did the dog choose that because i brought my dog

01:52:10.500 up to the ranch now now he was he was married and yes it was a shotgun marriage okay to a much older

01:52:17.980 dog uh and uh you know he was three she was like seven and uh and so we bought him uh and they had

01:52:28.120 to get along and so he was that was like kind of his you know ball and chain and she really was a ball

01:52:33.840 and chain we realized after she died he was miserable because i've never i have a new dog

01:52:41.060 i have a new dog entirely so you you because i i don't even thought about before the dogs just hated

01:52:46.160 each other we're forced to live together yeah and we knew that they didn't get along because he would

01:52:51.840 wait in the other room until she was finished eating yeah um is she he would walk around the couch if

01:52:57.080 if we were on one side of the couch and she was laying between us he would go and walk all the

01:53:02.720 way around the couch to the back so he didn't have to pass her so we knew there wasn't a lot of love

01:53:09.360 there okay you know you you have german shepherds right yes nothing against german shepherds are

01:53:13.880 really fun but yours are like trained and stuff and so i wonder if that's because like minor my the

01:53:18.480 heat and family we specialize in just really stupid dogs my my brother's last dog cooper we took him to

01:53:24.260 the lake and he didn't know what it was so we attacked it and i'd have to like rescue this dog

01:53:28.480 from drowning himself because he he would just try and fight the lake he put his head down there and

01:53:33.280 bite it and bark and stuff like nearly drowned from being an idiot i think my dog was rolling a snowman

01:53:39.000 honest to god honest to god i think i have video of it i should look for it and post it we were up uh at

01:53:45.740 the ranch and it started to snow and all the grandkids got out and they started making snowmen

01:53:50.500 couple of hours later we see him and he is literally rolling a snowball literally he is like

01:53:59.880 with his paws he's just making this little snowball and it's and it's rolling and he's barking and he's

01:54:05.060 howling and he's having a blast i think he was making a dog snowman that's that's amazing or a snow

01:54:10.400 dog you should yeah or try and train this dog to do your taxes for you i think this is this is a dog

01:54:14.800 it's quite gifted i think i'm going to skip on that idea but i appreciate the the input on the

01:54:21.080 taxes in let me play devil's advocate in the cat dog debate here for a moment uh with cats you have

01:54:26.400 a generally disagreeable creature yeah uh which sometimes is it's like a broken toaster with fur

01:54:31.420 right okay but sometimes you pet it inside the house yeah i know we've had cats in the past and

01:54:37.360 my relatives had and they like their cats yeah um but you know generally speaking they're not as

01:54:41.720 friendly yeah dogs on the other hand are they do have they're very friendly most of the time

01:54:46.080 they're most of all like you but they do have that very low percentage chance of just you know

01:54:50.960 ripping you to shreds and murdering you um which does happen so where cats there's very few cases in

01:54:56.880 which they just gang up on you and topple a human and end it for them yeah it does there do you trade

01:55:02.460 a little bit of the happiness severely wounded by a cat in my youth you were severely yes i was trying

01:55:07.920 to do the cat a favor what i was trying to do a cat a favor okay go on i had met i had met my first

01:55:15.320 wife and she had this this cat i had never been around cats it was an outdoor cat oh but it was

01:55:23.440 sometimes inside okay but the cat was a mess i grew up around dogs you give dogs a bath oh no

01:55:33.340 i tried to give this cat love water okay did not know that tried to give this cat a bath um

01:55:42.180 and i there was a point to where i thought i was going to give up but that damn cat pissed me off

01:55:48.440 so much i'm like you are having this bath and you are going to be clean uh i almost was taken to the

01:55:55.420 hospital almost take the hospital so no there are records of people who have and talked to sigfried

01:56:03.040 roy there are cats that will kill you yeah that's yeah uh i cat i will i will take that chance i think

01:56:10.560 dogs that they're not i think they're fine okay so there you go all right andrew thanks a lot uh you

01:56:16.340 can grab him on his uh podcast every day it's something's something's off with andrew heaton uh

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01:57:44.080 so i um just got an just got an email in from a listener of the program and it caught my eye because

01:57:55.600 it's uh from gold ribbon confections and so anything that's uh has anything to do with cakes i'm i read

01:58:01.860 right away said glenn i was listening to your show while you were talking to eric bowling uh who lost

01:58:06.400 his son i have also lost a son uh my dad and went through a divorce all in the same period i have felt

01:58:13.140 some of those same sane feelings that he was feeling but ultimately it was my faith in god

01:58:18.440 and god um that got me through along with faith in others started a business that gives back to

01:58:24.820 childhood cancer research and causes but it was the hymn it is well that has always been an encouragement

01:58:30.520 to my heart um and that is my soul's cry today i wanted to reach out and thank you um and if i can

01:58:38.240 ever be an encouragement please don't uh hesitate to ask the reason why i read this is because

01:58:43.380 i could not remember the name of the guy that i talked about uh and remember i after we hung up the

01:58:52.060 phone i said there was this guy who lived uh you know in chicago his business burnt down then his

01:58:58.140 four children died at sea on the way over from christmas um uh then his another son died of scarlet

01:59:07.200 fever a few years later and then another child died uh only two out of eight children i think lived

01:59:13.620 um they just went through hell their whole life his name uh was um horatio spafford

01:59:22.300 and he eventually you know somebody told him that god is punishing you and he and his wife never gave up

01:59:31.480 they did some great charitable work but he also wrote the song all is well all is well with my soul

01:59:41.360 um so what he said that song that hymn that got me through i don't even know if he knew that story

01:59:48.660 but that was written by a guy who suffered a great deal in a job sort of way that wrote

01:59:56.840 it is well it is well with my soul you're listening to glenn beck

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The Glenn Beck Program - December 19, 2018

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