The Glenn Beck Program - 'But of Course it's Racist'？

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00:00:06.500 Glenn Beck.

00:00:08.240 Pat's doing Glenn for Glenn this week.

00:00:11.180 I was out way past my bedtime.

00:00:13.800 Pat's doing, did I say Glenn?

00:00:15.580 Yeah.

00:00:15.920 Pat's doing Jeffy for Glenn.

00:00:18.000 I was out so late last night.

00:00:19.820 That's right, you were out partying.

00:00:21.080 Way past my bedtime, so I made me a little dingy today.

00:00:24.680 Yeah, Def Leppard and Journey.

00:00:26.980 We definitely need to get into this at some point today.

00:00:28.900 I would like to hear how this evening went.

00:00:31.280 It was a great concert.

00:00:33.040 It's great stuff.

00:00:34.200 Do you even know those bands still?

00:00:36.720 Yeah, I mean, they were out.

00:00:38.100 I mean, my formative years of music were the 80s.

00:00:41.880 So, I mean, you got lots of Journey and lots of Def Leppard there.

00:00:44.460 That's when they thrived, pretty much.

00:00:46.040 So, yeah, definitely.

00:00:46.780 They were never two of my, I would say, my favorite bands.

00:00:50.320 But, you know, they were certainly a big part of that era.

00:00:52.640 All right, well, we'll get into that later on.

00:00:54.160 We've got this Ron DeSantis racism situation.

00:00:58.900 I mean, the guy's clearly a racist.

00:01:00.660 He used the word monkey.

00:01:01.900 And you, I mean, obviously, I don't have to tell people when you say monkey.

00:01:06.180 That's a dog whistle.

00:01:07.420 Racist.

00:01:07.820 Yeah.

00:01:08.140 It's code.

00:01:09.380 Just like apartment.

00:01:10.520 If you say apartment, you know what you're talking about.

00:01:13.060 If you say Chicago, you know what that's all about.

00:01:16.280 Oh, yeah.

00:01:16.820 We all know.

00:01:18.200 I know what you're saying there, you racist bastard.

00:01:20.900 If you say Antifa, we all know.

00:01:23.300 We all know.

00:01:23.720 Almost exclusively black organization.

00:01:26.560 Except for not.

00:01:27.380 But, yes, we still know what you're talking about.

00:01:29.580 We still know what you're talking about.

00:01:30.380 Yeah.

00:01:31.280 If you say LeBron James, well, you can't be a criticism about just LeBron James.

00:01:36.380 It's you not liking all black people.

00:01:38.800 If you say Maxine Waters is dumb, that's absolutely.

00:01:42.200 That's because you think all black people are dumb.

00:01:44.360 That's one of my favorites because what a sign of the person who, of their own racism, that

00:01:52.680 they would even make that claim, that they would even, and so many people are leveling

00:01:58.740 that claim at the president for saying that Maxine Waters was dumb and Don Lemon was dumb.

00:02:05.960 Okay, because he said two black people were dumb, you think that all black people should

00:02:11.000 be included in that?

00:02:11.920 Yeah.

00:02:12.220 Why?

00:02:13.320 Nobody's saying that.

00:02:14.360 No one's saying that.

00:02:14.900 That's what he means, though.

00:02:15.980 No, it's really not.

00:02:17.320 That's what he means.

00:02:17.700 That's what he said.

00:02:18.280 You can read between the lines.

00:02:19.220 That's what he said.

00:02:20.260 When he's called, didn't he call Glenn the dumbest or?

00:02:24.780 Oh, yeah.

00:02:25.120 He called Glenn all sorts of names.

00:02:26.320 Failure dumbest.

00:02:28.080 Yeah.

00:02:28.500 I mean.

00:02:28.740 And, you know, a lot of them echo what we call him when he's not around.

00:02:31.640 But it's interesting that during that period, he, for some reason, I guess, believed

00:02:39.260 almost exclusively white people were dumb.

00:02:42.680 Because in that era, he called almost no black people dumb whatsoever.

00:02:46.140 It was like 98% white people he called dumb.

00:02:49.580 At that point, no one said, why does he think all white people are dumb?

00:02:53.640 Because that would be a really stupid point.

00:02:55.900 And the fact that now they're like, oh, well, yeah, but he's called two people black, dumb

00:03:00.240 that are black now.

00:03:01.080 That means that, of course, Trump thinks all black people are dumb.

00:03:04.160 And, you know, in reality, they go home at night and they're about to put their head

00:03:10.400 on the pillow.

00:03:11.380 They all know what they're doing is lying.

00:03:14.400 They know that does not indicate at all that he thinks all black people are dumb.

00:03:19.000 But they think if they go on TV and they yell about it enough, they'll convince enough people

00:03:22.860 to dislike the president or dislike tax cuts or dislike whatever it is, because racism

00:03:28.280 is something we all think is so horrible.

00:03:31.100 We don't want to be anywhere near it or touching it.

00:03:33.080 Of course, that disproves their point.

00:03:34.880 If we all think it's so bad, then why isn't there anybody outside of Richard Spencer defending

00:03:41.460 it?

00:03:42.240 Mm hmm.

00:03:42.560 You know, I mean, look, we all think, you know, the we think abortion is really bad.

00:03:47.880 There's no problem that you have no problem finding advocates for pro-life viewpoint.

00:03:53.040 There's tons of them.

00:03:54.180 We think tax cuts are really good.

00:03:55.720 You have no problem finding advocates for tax cuts.

00:03:58.700 Why can't you find any advocates for racism?

00:04:00.940 It's because everyone agrees it's terrible.

00:04:03.940 But that destroys your entire programming schedule on MSNBC if you come to that conclusion.

00:04:09.700 So you have to sit there and lie about it night after night after night.

00:04:12.920 And let's let's get to the actual comment of what Ron DeSantis said.

00:04:17.860 And when you hear it, it is so clear it has nothing to do with calling his black opponent

00:04:23.800 a monkey.

00:04:24.640 It has nothing.

00:04:26.020 It's not even close.

00:04:26.880 Listen to this.

00:04:28.060 He is an articulate spokesman for those far left views.

00:04:31.040 And he's a charismatic candidate.

00:04:32.500 And, you know, I watched those Democrat debates.

00:04:34.720 None of that was my cup of tea.

00:04:36.420 But I mean, he performed better than the other people there.

00:04:38.960 So we've got to work hard to make sure that we continue Florida going in a good direction.

00:04:44.240 Let's build off the success we've had on Governor Scott.

00:04:46.960 The last thing we need to do is to monkey this up by trying to embrace a socialist agenda

00:04:52.620 with huge tax increases and bankrupting the state.

00:04:56.520 That is not going to work.

00:04:57.860 That's not going to be good for Florida.

00:05:00.000 Any reasonable human being with a brain would see that he's talking about the socialist agenda.

00:05:05.360 You don't want to monkey up their system with a socialist agenda.

00:05:08.960 Right.

00:05:09.380 And, of course, you know, they used to say socialism, calling someone a socialist was racist, too.

00:05:14.060 I guess now that they've embraced it, they're not going to say that anymore.

00:05:17.000 But when you think of socialist leaders, you think almost of exclusively white people.

00:05:22.620 You go back in history, you're thinking socialism.

00:05:24.820 It's usually white people that you're thinking of.

00:05:26.980 Yeah.

00:05:27.680 That's an amazing one.

00:05:28.640 Now, the idea that he meant that as trying to call his opponent a monkey is so completely absurd.

00:05:37.180 Likely what happened is he got in between monkey around and muck it up.

00:05:42.620 Yeah.

00:05:42.860 And he kind of combined the two phrases and said monkey it up.

00:05:46.180 Now, if he said monkey around, do you think people would have said the same thing?

00:05:50.260 Is it just that if you use the word monkey?

00:05:52.340 Yeah.

00:05:52.540 Yes.

00:05:53.060 It's interesting.

00:05:53.640 Many, many years ago, I had a producer conversation with our friend Glenn Beck about this particular topic because he called his kid, you know, in terms of endearment, his own children, you know, monkeys.

00:06:06.260 That's a very common thing to call your kids.

00:06:08.700 If you watch The Office, Dwight Schrute called Angela his little monkey.

00:06:14.380 Like, you know, that's a very common phrase to be used among white people about white people.

00:06:20.660 Like, you know, it has nothing to do with black people.

00:06:24.240 So, but I told, he would use it as such a phrase of, you know, endearment.

00:06:30.820 I mean, it really, really was.

00:06:31.920 It was something silly or something funny or some, you know, someone, you know, you know, kids jumping off the walls and going crazy and being too excited.

00:06:39.960 And I said to him, I'm like, look, I know what you mean by this.

00:06:42.540 But at some point, you're going to say something that when you mean it one way completely and people on the left are going to come out and say you meant it the other way.

00:06:52.160 And you're going to wind up sitting on television or radio having to defend yourself.

00:06:56.280 What I meant by the word monkey was not what you were saying.

00:06:59.620 And that's not a winning position.

00:07:01.120 We have evidence of that.

00:07:01.920 I mean, how many years ago did the great Howard Cosell get the boot from television for using that very phrase?

00:07:09.180 And again, like that was his excuse.

00:07:11.120 He called us, you know, the grandkids and the kids little monkeys all the time.

00:07:14.780 Yeah.

00:07:15.220 And the quote, you know, he was gone, man.

00:07:17.420 Plus, he had people like Muhammad Ali defending him.

00:07:20.120 Yeah.

00:07:20.600 And that still didn't matter.

00:07:21.660 Still didn't matter.

00:07:22.600 It still didn't matter.

00:07:23.480 So it's like you just say, OK, well, we won't say the word anymore.

00:07:25.840 Now, of course, obviously, Glenn never listens to any of my advice.

00:07:28.520 So I have no idea if he said it since.

00:07:29.740 But the point is, you know, it's a way to shut down language because now all you're doing is you're walking on pins and needles, trying to make sure you don't say something that you yourself know has nothing to do with racism.

00:07:43.060 And everyone around you knows has nothing to do with racism.

00:07:47.020 But you're trying to stop from saying something they can use to fake the audience out into believing that you did mean racism.

00:07:55.460 It's the fake outrage.

00:07:56.580 Yeah, totally.

00:07:57.400 It's the addicted to outrage.

00:07:59.140 I mean, like you said yesterday, this book couldn't be any more relevant.

00:08:04.540 This book couldn't be better timed than it is.

00:08:07.380 For that to come out in, what, three weeks or so on September 18th.

00:08:12.400 And we see evidence of it every single day, how people are addicted to just being outraged.

00:08:18.840 Yeah, it's so manufactured.

00:08:20.900 It's so plastic and unreal that hopefully the American people are going to see through it.

00:08:30.040 I hope.

00:08:30.560 I hope so, too.

00:08:31.600 I don't even I don't even like Ron DeSantis and but you know that that's not what he meant.

00:08:37.100 I mean, he turned me off so much with that ad he did where he seemed like a cult member for like he's in a Donald Trump cult or something.

00:08:46.660 That's why he's so weird.

00:08:48.480 That's what got him the endorsement, too, from from the president.

00:08:51.200 Well, he should get the endorsement for Trump when you do an ad like this.

00:08:55.280 Everyone knows my husband, Ron DeSantis, is endorsed by President Trump, but he's also an amazing dad.

00:09:01.340 Ron loves playing with the kids.

00:09:03.220 Build the wall.

00:09:04.500 He reads stories.

00:09:05.920 Then Mr. Trump said, you're fired.

00:09:09.180 I love that part.

00:09:10.380 He's teaching Madison to talk.

00:09:12.120 Make America great again.

00:09:14.780 People say Ron's all Trump, but he is so much more.

00:09:19.200 Big league.

00:09:20.260 So good.

00:09:21.380 I just thought you should know.

00:09:22.900 I mean, that's embarrassing.

00:09:24.060 It is absolutely no matter what you think about Donald Trump.

00:09:28.940 And I think he's done some great things.

00:09:31.260 That's embarrassing for anyone.

00:09:32.920 You should never be.

00:09:33.840 That's that's like a near religious association with a person.

00:09:38.440 That's what I that's what I felt like.

00:09:39.560 Yeah.

00:09:39.860 And, you know, look, there used to be a time in the United States where politicians talked about policies and not just argued about who liked Trump more or who liked Trump less.

00:09:48.560 That seems to be the only standard of our politics at this point.

00:09:51.680 You know, Democrats all argue just like this guy in in Tallahassee.

00:09:55.940 He won largely because he was saying he hated Trump more than the other candidates.

00:10:00.820 And DeSantis won because he's saying that he likes Trump more than the other candidates.

00:10:04.540 It's just like, is there any other standard?

00:10:07.160 I mean, you know, Donald Trump was beat up for a long time in his pre politics career for just having this gigantic ego and and thinking everything was about him.

00:10:18.440 Well, he I guess he was right the entire time.

00:10:22.140 I guess the whole world is just about this one person.

00:10:25.360 You know, both parties seem completely obsessed with him all the time.

00:10:29.580 Yeah, it really is amazing.

00:10:30.620 And of course, they don't look back to, you know, previous situations when we come to these controversies, like when Barack Obama in 2008 was talking about politicians and and and made a very similar comment.

00:10:46.220 Listen, I come from Chicago, so I want to be honest.

00:10:51.800 It's not as if it's just Republicans who have monkeyed around with elections.

00:10:56.600 Sometimes Democrats have to.

00:10:58.200 Oh, my God.

00:10:58.760 Racist double racist.

00:11:00.280 He said Chicago and wow, I mean, look, we all know it's a common phrase.

00:11:07.540 And to go on television and pretend that this is some big controversy is completely absurd.

00:11:13.160 They all know it's not true and it's just feeding the addiction to outrage from the audience.

00:11:18.740 I don't know.

00:11:20.020 Like at some point, it'd be nice if we could get past this.

00:11:22.040 I don't know that we can.

00:11:23.120 I don't know.

00:11:23.420 I don't know that society in general can.

00:11:25.660 Yeah, I don't know.

00:11:26.440 I don't know.

00:11:26.980 You know, Glenn's book goes through some ideas for solutions.

00:11:31.960 But man, I don't know if they're going to work.

00:11:34.520 I think they have to work or we're screwed.

00:11:36.820 I mean, we've lost.

00:11:37.800 We've come to the point where.

00:11:39.060 Give me one because I can't think of any.

00:11:41.120 What?

00:11:41.600 Give me one solution.

00:11:42.500 Oh, you've got.

00:11:43.660 Proposes.

00:11:44.140 I'm not giving away his book.

00:11:45.280 All right.

00:11:46.040 But if you.

00:11:47.420 Available preorder at Amazon.com.

00:11:49.520 Yes.

00:11:49.780 September 18th.

00:11:50.460 Release date.

00:11:51.420 It is one of those.

00:11:54.200 Just give me two of them.

00:11:55.080 Two of them.

00:11:55.600 Okay.

00:11:55.800 I'll give you two.

00:11:56.220 So I don't have to.

00:11:56.800 We just need one.

00:11:57.600 I mean, really, I mean, Pat was getting greedy now, but I just like they're one.

00:12:00.560 Yeah.

00:12:00.860 I know.

00:12:01.340 I know.

00:12:01.560 I don't know that there is going to be one that works.

00:12:03.660 I mean, because I just don't.

00:12:05.240 I think it's easy.

00:12:06.980 You know?

00:12:07.320 I mean, I think it's easy.

00:12:08.260 You get in these little, you get in these little, like you get on these railroad tracks

00:12:12.720 that lead you to outrage every day.

00:12:14.840 And you know, it's so easy to stay on them.

00:12:17.120 Yeah.

00:12:17.240 You know, it's like, it's like with your phone.

00:12:18.480 Every day you wake up and you look at your phone and I don't know if Pat, you're not a

00:12:21.340 big phone guy, but I mean, I think a lot of America now is just basically addicted

00:12:24.360 to their phone.

00:12:24.840 So you get up and you look at your phone and you read the news and you read emails and

00:12:28.040 you tweet and you respond to people on Instagram and you do all the things that you're supposed

00:12:30.840 to do on social media every day.

00:12:32.140 And then you realize, wow, I just wasted like 40% of my day on this phone.

00:12:38.160 There's an app that they have out there.

00:12:40.320 We've talked about before where it monitors how long you're looking at the phone, basically.

00:12:44.940 And they give you a report every day.

00:12:46.660 And good God, it's terrifying.

00:12:48.980 I mean, it's, you know, seven, eight hours.

00:12:50.860 Mine's a little weird because when I have like, I have a GPS on my phone or I have a,

00:12:56.000 you know, a podcast app that'll listen on the way home and it'll add, you know, large

00:13:00.200 portions of time, but it's still way too much.

00:13:02.340 I mean, it's still hours and hours every day.

00:13:04.080 I need to get that because I think I'd be pretty proud at the end of most weeks.

00:13:07.040 It would be zero minutes on the phone today.

00:13:10.160 Zero minutes on the phone this week.

00:13:13.220 Zero minutes on the phone this month.

00:13:14.040 Yeah, you don't use your phone to listen to podcasts or listen to whatever.

00:13:18.060 I do use my iPad a lot, but the phone, not that much.

00:13:20.920 Well, I mean, the iPad would be your version, right?

00:13:24.180 And, you know, it's not bad to go on these things, but it controls us.

00:13:28.460 It's like the phone is making the decision for you rather than you making the decision

00:13:31.820 for you.

00:13:32.600 You know, there's some people who do these, like, there's a big thing on podcasts now

00:13:36.520 are these sort of people who do these life reorganization type of, you know, I guess

00:13:41.620 self-help type of things where you think about what you're doing and make decisions every

00:13:45.260 day rather than letting the decisions of the day make you do things.

00:13:50.000 And one of the big suggestions is before you go to bed, write a list out of the three or

00:13:55.480 four things you want to get accomplished the next day.

00:13:58.160 And when you get up, don't get on the phone and start answering emails and get yourself

00:14:02.020 into that wormhole where you're just, you're reading tweets and you're doing all those

00:14:04.720 things.

00:14:05.660 Instead, start the day with looking at that list you made the night before when it seems

00:14:10.420 so sensible that you're going to get them done, you know, and then look at them and

00:14:14.320 get those done first before you start diving into any of the frivolous things you do on

00:14:18.340 the phone.

00:14:19.280 And I think the same thing happens with outrage.

00:14:21.540 Like we, you know, we, I think every night we would go to bed and say, you know what,

00:14:24.780 tomorrow I'm not going to, you know, react to these stupid things the way I did today.

00:14:28.420 But then you get to turn the phone on and everyone's pissed off.

00:14:31.160 And then some liberal says something stupid.

00:14:33.220 And by the end of the day, you're out rich.

00:14:35.520 Yeah.

00:14:35.720 And it is like an addiction.

00:14:37.040 It's just like how Glenn used to describe drinking.

00:14:39.160 He started the day saying, I didn't want to drink.

00:14:41.040 And by the end of the day, he'd be drinking.

00:14:42.820 And every day he'd say, before he went to bed, say the next day, I'm not going to drink.

00:14:46.140 And the whole cycle repeats itself.

00:14:47.940 It really, I think calling it an addiction, I don't know.

00:14:51.260 I mean, he has a lot of science in the book about why it actually is a physical addiction

00:14:55.520 and why it fits that description.

00:14:57.260 But even if you don't believe that it's a physical medical, you know, addiction, it's something

00:15:02.600 really freaking similar and it's not healthy.

00:15:05.420 It really isn't healthy.

00:15:06.320 Mm-hmm.

00:15:07.480 Yeah.

00:15:08.080 And it really isn't racism.

00:15:09.660 No.

00:15:10.080 What Ron DeSantis said yesterday.

00:15:12.440 No.

00:15:12.780 888-727-BECK.

00:15:14.660 It's Pat Stu and Jeffy for Glenn on the Glenn Beck program.

00:15:20.680 It's Pat Stu and Jeffy for Glenn.

00:15:23.560 So Ron DeSantis' opponent has spoken out about what he said yesterday.

00:15:30.480 And we were kind of hoping, okay, well, maybe he'll take the high road here.

00:15:34.420 Maybe he'll diffuse this whole thing and say, look, that's clearly not what he, he was not

00:15:39.140 calling me a monkey.

00:15:41.880 Let's see how he responded.

00:15:44.460 There he is.

00:15:44.680 Do you want an apology from Congressman DeSantis?

00:15:46.680 Do you think you're owed one?

00:15:48.560 You know, let me be articulate and clear here, which is we're better than this in Florida.

00:15:55.620 Good announcement, by the way.

00:15:57.000 I believe the Congressman can be better than this.

00:15:57.880 Let me stop for one second.

00:15:58.900 You don't need to announce that you're going to be articulate and clear.

00:16:01.900 Just be articulate and clear.

00:16:03.160 Just do it.

00:16:03.700 Let other people judge whether you're being articulate and clear.

00:16:07.020 That's not for you to say.

00:16:08.400 You don't need to.

00:16:09.220 By the way, I'm not going to just say stupid things in this next.

00:16:12.920 I'm not going to be really convoluted.

00:16:15.020 Let me just monkey up my language right here.

00:16:17.960 Now I've done it.

00:16:18.880 Now I've done it.

00:16:19.520 I'm a racist too.

00:16:21.320 So just completely, everyone does that.

00:16:24.480 And that's just a delay tactic to get your thoughts together.

00:16:26.700 But you really don't need to announce it.

00:16:28.400 Okay, I'm sorry.

00:16:29.060 Start with me.

00:16:30.360 I regret that his mentor in politics is Donald Trump.

00:16:34.340 But I do believe that the voters of the state of Florida are going to reject the politics

00:16:38.100 of division.

00:16:39.600 What about the politics of dancing?

00:16:40.920 They believe that we're better than that, which is why I'm going to spend my time over

00:16:43.140 the next two plus months getting around this state, talking about the issues that matter

00:16:47.180 to everyday voters in this state.

00:16:49.440 Kitchen table issues, health care, education, making sure we clean up our environment, which

00:16:54.340 our governor has been derelict with the Republican legislature to do.

00:16:58.300 And I think that's how we're going to win in November.

00:17:01.220 But it's clear that the congressman is going to join Donald Trump in the swamp.

00:17:07.240 We're going to leave them there.

00:17:08.420 We're going to continue to press toward a higher mark.

00:17:11.360 It's unfortunate.

00:17:12.100 We've got to go down the politics of division.

00:17:15.460 I think we should go down the politics of dancing.

00:17:17.920 The politics of, ooh, feeling good.

00:17:21.220 The politics of moving.

00:17:23.260 Uh-huh.

00:17:24.040 And make your message understood.

00:17:25.780 You know what I'm saying?

00:17:26.500 Mm-hmm.

00:17:26.840 Okay.

00:17:27.320 If I could be clear, if I could be articulate when I'm stating these things.

00:17:31.540 That was funny, too, because I think in his statement, he actually called, DeSantis called

00:17:37.360 him articulate, right?

00:17:38.640 Yeah, he's an articulate advocate for his values.

00:17:40.640 Yeah, he did.

00:17:41.220 Yeah.

00:17:41.540 He did.

00:17:41.980 You know, he has an articulate.

00:17:43.740 Okay.

00:17:43.920 This is where he's actually speaking about Gillum directly.

00:17:49.020 You know, he is an articulate spokesman for those far left views.

00:17:52.560 And he's a charismatic candidate.

00:17:55.940 Then he says, the last thing we need to do is monkey this up by trying to embrace a socialist

00:18:02.320 agenda with huge tax increases and bankrupting the state.

00:18:06.520 Okay.

00:18:06.700 So Gillum obviously, unfortunately, did not take the high road, but it's just simple English.

00:18:14.020 Can we pay attention to the sentence structure here?

00:18:18.320 If you're looking to what monkey this up is talking about, the subject is not Gillum.

00:18:24.640 It's socialist agenda.

00:18:26.320 Can we at least speak English here and look at it as normal thinking, feeling adults?

00:18:39.460 No, we can't.

00:18:40.160 No, we can't.

00:18:40.520 I think quite clearly the answer is no.

00:18:41.580 And I know on, you know, the outrage side of social media, one of the big Twitter centers

00:18:48.540 last night talked about that DeSantis should go on TV tomorrow and say, I'm sorry for saying

00:18:52.580 monkey.

00:18:53.340 I meant to say we shouldn't F the country up with this socialism crap.

00:18:57.840 There you go.

00:19:03.660 And it's Pat Stewart, Jeffy for Glenn this week.

00:19:06.860 888-727-BAC.

00:19:09.440 Is there football on tonight?

00:19:10.560 I'll bet there is, right?

00:19:11.880 There is preseason NFL is on tonight.

00:19:14.940 Okay.

00:19:15.520 Any college football actual games?

00:19:17.440 There's got to be because this weekend, it really kicks off.

00:19:20.680 I don't think we, I think maybe Thursday night we have college.

00:19:24.500 Yeah, there's a bunch of games tonight.

00:19:26.000 Tonight's Thursday.

00:19:26.600 What am I thinking?

00:19:27.180 Yeah.

00:19:27.500 Yeah, we probably do.

00:19:28.920 Yeah.

00:19:29.420 So football, football season's like right on top of us.

00:19:33.460 I love it.

00:19:34.300 Me too.

00:19:34.920 I love it.

00:19:35.360 If only it felt like football season was on top of us outside.

00:19:38.920 And maybe we're, you know, where you are.

00:19:40.940 It does feel that way or it's starting to feel that way.

00:19:44.560 It's still very much a pool weather here in Texas.

00:19:48.060 High today, like 97, I think, in the Dallas-Fort Worth area.

00:19:51.940 I love it.

00:19:53.360 Have you followed this idea of peak football yet?

00:19:56.680 No.

00:19:56.860 Well, it's kind of interesting.

00:19:58.480 Yeah.

00:19:58.740 The concept is that football as a sport has hit its peak and it's started to decline.

00:20:05.720 Now, a lot of people, you'll hear a lot of people on talk radio talking about how it's,

00:20:09.480 you know, the kneeling or, you know, the left-wing politics involved in it.

00:20:13.460 Or the rules.

00:20:14.120 Or the rules, right?

00:20:15.160 The rules changing to be more player safe and all of those things.

00:20:19.200 It's interesting that they are reporting now and have studied the participants playing football

00:20:26.820 from 1998 to 2018.

00:20:30.540 And the drop really started about 2002.

00:20:34.300 About that time, there was about 26.5% of high school male sport participants played football.

00:20:39.820 That number has dropped now to about 23.5%.

00:20:44.760 And that, you know, turns into it's millions of people.

00:20:47.420 I mean, or hundreds of, you know, at least tens of thousands of people.

00:20:50.080 That's significant.

00:20:51.180 Yeah.

00:20:51.440 Pretty significant.

00:20:52.620 It's dropped from 1.14 million.

00:20:55.560 So, about 80,000 less people have played football since the peak.

00:21:00.360 The actual, for raw numbers, that peaked in about 2007 or 2008 and has dropped.

00:21:07.420 And it's dropped, you know, significantly.

00:21:09.260 Now, obviously, a big part of that, I think, is parents saying to the kids, it's not safe

00:21:14.780 anymore.

00:21:15.160 I know.

00:21:15.360 I get that from my wife.

00:21:16.440 I mean, she does not want, you know, my son, Zach, playing football.

00:21:19.380 Yeah.

00:21:19.700 Now, of course, you know, he needs to play football.

00:21:23.740 It's a moral imperative.

00:21:25.740 Right of passage.

00:21:26.540 But, yeah.

00:21:28.020 But, yeah, you know, flag football will still work.

00:21:30.920 But a lot of parents don't want them to.

00:21:32.160 When it gets to tackle football with helmet time, they don't want any part of that.

00:21:35.540 Yeah.

00:21:35.700 And so, they're pulling, a lot of parents are, you know, saying no to their children.

00:21:39.440 Especially in the era of CTE.

00:21:41.340 Yep.

00:21:41.600 CTE.

00:21:42.060 And people, you know, look, we're very early in our understanding about what is going on.

00:21:46.140 You know, a lot of the media will kind of make it look like, well, the NFL knew this

00:21:49.820 whole time.

00:21:50.520 And these bastards just let these players go out there and get hurt.

00:21:53.320 When you look at the side, I mean, they started taking their first steps about concussions

00:21:57.860 about six months after the first, the very first people came out at Boston University

00:22:05.680 and started talking about it.

00:22:06.680 They waited that long.

00:22:07.400 I know.

00:22:08.300 It was the next season, though.

00:22:09.640 It was the next season they did.

00:22:11.700 And, you know, you can argue whether they went too far or not far enough because I think

00:22:14.840 that the gameplay is really changing.

00:22:17.400 What was the name of the, what was the name of the concussion movie where they showed the

00:22:20.840 doctor?

00:22:20.960 I believe it was concussion.

00:22:21.360 The doctor.

00:22:21.860 Was it called concussion?

00:22:22.860 Yeah.

00:22:23.400 Now, that guy.

00:22:24.500 That.

00:22:25.180 Did you see that?

00:22:26.100 Did you ever wind up watching that movie?

00:22:27.660 I did see it.

00:22:28.200 I don't think I did see it, yeah.

00:22:29.460 I saw the documentary on it.

00:22:31.060 They make the NFL look really bad in it.

00:22:33.280 And it's not, it's not entirely accurate.

00:22:37.160 Right.

00:22:37.720 And, but so, but because they presented everybody that way, everybody thinks, well, wow, they

00:22:43.300 really handled that poorly.

00:22:44.460 Well, yeah, they dramatized a lot of it because they didn't know some of those things.

00:22:48.160 Some of those things didn't even happen.

00:22:50.720 Right.

00:22:51.120 I'm trying to think one of the guys who looked really bad was Dave Dewar from the Chicago

00:22:57.280 Bears, who was super callous, acted, didn't care about one of his friends who was in that

00:23:04.420 situation.

00:23:04.820 And then, of course, later on, he himself died of the same thing.

00:23:10.500 And I was reading about that afterwards.

00:23:12.680 That didn't even happen.

00:23:14.100 It never happened.

00:23:14.780 He never had that confrontation with his friend with CTE.

00:23:17.520 Wow.

00:23:17.880 They just had to find a bad guy.

00:23:20.080 And I guess Dave Dewar wasn't around to defend himself.

00:23:22.440 And that's who they use.

00:23:23.560 Jeez.

00:23:24.080 Based on a true story.

00:23:25.180 Yeah.

00:23:25.600 And that's the problem.

00:23:26.900 When they say based on, everybody thinks it just is the story.

00:23:30.720 And it's not.

00:23:31.720 Yeah.

00:23:32.060 And it's, it's just not.

00:23:33.480 It's interesting how little they actually know about this.

00:23:36.480 You know, one of the things that happened, because the famous doctor who first sort of

00:23:41.380 identified this was not a well-known guy.

00:23:44.840 He wasn't a leader in the field.

00:23:46.640 He wasn't like, you know, the NFL had hired many of the leaders in the field.

00:23:52.100 And they, and, and now it appears that the, the leaders in the field at that time were

00:23:58.740 wrong.

00:23:59.340 And this guy was right.

00:24:00.500 But I mean, like, if you're the NFL and some guy comes in, hey, by the way, I'm going

00:24:03.960 to take your sport down and there's this mysterious disease that no one else is recognizing, change

00:24:08.620 all of your rules.

00:24:09.360 You just automatically.

00:24:10.180 Yeah.

00:24:10.320 You're just supposed to automatically react to that and believe it.

00:24:12.380 Yeah.

00:24:12.580 And so when they actually went, he, that guy got enough credibility over time, brought

00:24:17.680 it to, I think it was Boston university.

00:24:19.660 And then they did a study on that.

00:24:21.880 And when that study came out and they finished the study and realized, Hey, this is something

00:24:25.700 that's when the NFL started changing its rules.

00:24:28.840 And it's interesting to this day, they still don't know what causes it.

00:24:33.960 They don't know if it's one big hit.

00:24:36.240 They don't know if it's multiple small hits.

00:24:38.620 They don't know if it's a more likely in smaller people or bigger people.

00:24:42.780 They also don't know if the general population has it.

00:24:45.680 They don't know that we don't know.

00:24:47.020 We don't know.

00:24:47.420 They don't know.

00:24:48.020 They, they never, they don't test people who don't play football if they have it.

00:24:52.580 So is it, can you get the same thing in extreme sports?

00:24:54.960 Can you get the same thing in baseball?

00:24:57.280 Can you get the same thing if you've bumped your head several times during the course of your

00:25:00.100 life?

00:25:00.320 Can you get the same thing just heredity in through heredity, uh, uh, heredity, heredity.

00:25:05.080 Thank you.

00:25:05.520 Why can I not think of that word?

00:25:06.980 Um, it's a, uh, you might have CTE.

00:25:10.100 Oh my gosh.

00:25:10.720 Yeah.

00:25:10.940 You might have CTE.

00:25:11.900 There's so far at the very infancy of their understanding of what's actually happening.

00:25:15.520 And I think it's smart, right?

00:25:16.860 To do whatever you can.

00:25:18.360 Sure.

00:25:18.660 To alleviate that risk.

00:25:20.320 Uh, to make sure.

00:25:21.460 Banging your head.

00:25:22.000 Yeah.

00:25:22.120 I think that's probably a pretty good idea.

00:25:23.480 Well, I meant from the NFL's perspective, they should do what they can to protect the

00:25:28.460 players just in case that's what that is.

00:25:31.040 But to act, to make them out to be these, this horrible bad guys that don't care about

00:25:34.160 their people is such a stretch.

00:25:36.920 And it's just, it's an easy way to, it's, it's the same thing you hear from, uh, you

00:25:42.040 know, left wing people all the time where they're like, well, this evil company is doing

00:25:46.320 this.

00:25:46.480 Modern day slave owners, the big, the big corporate bad blame companies, you know, blame,

00:25:52.100 you know, look for somebody like the Koch brothers where you can kind of focus your

00:25:55.540 energies and, and it's just a simpleton way of understanding these issues.

00:25:59.580 Uh, it's, these are not, these are not easy.

00:26:02.880 You know, when you have a major development on something that's challenged, like, I mean,

00:26:06.800 put yourself in that position.

00:26:07.900 You built this giant business.

00:26:10.000 You bring in the best people, uh, who we believe are the best doctors, people who are,

00:26:15.180 are, are, are widely cited in medical journals and leaders in their field.

00:26:19.460 You bring them in.

00:26:21.320 They all say that this isn't an issue.

00:26:23.720 And then some guy that you've never heard of comes to you and says, Hey, you know what?

00:26:27.240 Your whole, the whole business you're building is like really hurting people and you need

00:26:29.640 to reverse that immediately.

00:26:30.660 Like there'd be no way you'd react in a way of saying, okay, well let's change all the

00:26:35.100 rules of our game.

00:26:35.700 Like that, you know, that's like never going to be the way a human being reacts to that

00:26:39.360 situation.

00:26:39.980 Right.

00:26:40.580 And because you're, it's going to take time for you to understand it and can, and you're going

00:26:44.640 to need backup and understanding of it.

00:26:46.600 And since they've had actual full scientific studies done and shown that this could be

00:26:52.060 a risk, they have changed.

00:26:53.840 And I think a lot of people argue they've changed too much.

00:26:56.680 You know, they've changed too much.

00:26:59.180 It's, it's leave it to the NFL to monkey this thing up.

00:27:01.820 Oh my gosh.

00:27:03.060 Racist.

00:27:03.680 Do you know there's a, there's a black person in the NFL.

00:27:05.720 I know what you meant.

00:27:06.380 Oh my gosh.

00:27:07.140 There's many, there's several black people.

00:27:09.000 And that is exactly what he was referring to.

00:27:10.980 I hope everyone heard that.

00:27:13.040 I hope everybody.

00:27:14.200 I mean, I sent it into a microphone, so I think they probably did.

00:27:17.140 Oh, okay.

00:27:17.280 Yeah.

00:27:17.460 Yeah.

00:27:17.860 Yeah.

00:27:18.060 He probably did.

00:27:18.760 That's true.

00:27:19.160 You know what?

00:27:19.580 So did DeSantis, by the way.

00:27:20.940 Yeah, he did.

00:27:21.540 He sent it into a microphone.

00:27:22.280 It's like, you wonder if you think he's a big racist and he doesn't want to get in

00:27:26.940 trouble for racism.

00:27:28.280 He's going into, by the way, the general election, not a primary.

00:27:31.040 So even if you believe he has to give dog whistles to his audience, this is not the time

00:27:34.940 for it.

00:27:35.300 He's got to convince people in the middle now.

00:27:37.060 Leave it to you to underplay this thing.

00:27:38.700 Yeah, no kidding.

00:27:39.600 You're the one that just said monkey it up on the air.

00:27:41.420 Dog whistles?

00:27:42.320 No, my friend.

00:27:43.480 Let's listen to Andrew Gillum as to what this is now.

00:27:46.720 Was that racist or a figment of speech?

00:27:48.380 Well, in the handbook of Donald Trump, they no longer do whistle calls.

00:27:57.300 They're now using full bullhorns.

00:27:59.300 Right?

00:27:59.700 So that's one of what I've got to say about that.

00:28:01.080 Thank you.

00:28:01.480 All right, full bullhorns.

00:28:02.380 We've got to make sure that we stay focused, I think, on the issues that confront everyday

00:28:06.340 people.

00:28:06.700 I'm not going to get down in the gutter with this.

00:28:09.560 But what are you talking about?

00:28:10.760 That's exactly what he's doing.

00:28:12.720 It's exactly what he's doing.

00:28:14.100 He's beyond the gutter.

00:28:14.720 He's in the sewer system.

00:28:17.200 That's enough.

00:28:17.920 Weird enough.

00:28:18.440 We've got to have.

00:28:19.220 But that's exactly what he's doing, right?

00:28:21.220 Yeah.

00:28:21.380 If he wanted to go back to the issues, what you would say is, look, he probably meant

00:28:25.500 muck it up or monkey around.

00:28:27.160 He got him confused.

00:28:28.320 It's not a big deal.

00:28:29.120 I should beat this guy because he's a terrible politician with awful policies.

00:28:32.460 Not because he's come up, we're going to all fake that we think this is a racial controversy.

00:28:37.200 It's not.

00:28:37.700 The guy wasn't doing, that is not what he was doing.

00:28:39.660 But we're not grown up enough to do that.

00:28:41.120 No, we are not.

00:28:41.960 We're not.

00:28:42.320 Wouldn't that give you so much credibility, though?

00:28:44.320 Maybe I'm the only person anymore.

00:28:46.120 Maybe we're the only ones who think that way.

00:28:48.380 Like, I think, you know, if Tiger Woods came out today and he said, you know what, here's

00:28:54.340 a real issue about race that I think is really important and people need to focus on, I would

00:28:59.840 tend to give it a hearing because he has, over time, proven that he will dismiss nonsense

00:29:06.360 about race.

00:29:07.480 And when it's not a real controversy, he'll dismiss it and he won't jump in the water.

00:29:11.940 So if he did jump in the water, he would have credibility with me because of that.

00:29:15.980 Tiger Woods has even dismissed things that you could construe as an actual comment.

00:29:21.480 Like, what was the, who made the chicken remark about him?

00:29:25.260 Yeah.

00:29:25.540 Do you remember that?

00:29:25.980 It was Fuzzy Zeller?

00:29:26.940 Was it Fuzzy Zeller?

00:29:27.480 Yeah, it was Fuzzy Zeller.

00:29:28.340 Yeah.

00:29:28.780 And he said, look, I know Fuzzy.

00:29:31.140 That wasn't.

00:29:32.160 Yeah.

00:29:32.480 That wasn't.

00:29:33.420 He didn't mean that that way.

00:29:35.540 And it just went away.

00:29:36.800 Yeah.

00:29:37.260 And the same thing he did.

00:29:38.060 That's because he was reasonable about it.

00:29:39.400 There was a female, I have a Golf Digest or something, reporter, the same exact situation.

00:29:44.300 He had this big opportunity.

00:29:45.440 And I think, you know, like LeBron James would have ridden it for every little step he could

00:29:51.620 have got out of it.

00:29:52.500 He would have gone on every television show and played the victim for six months off of

00:29:57.020 being called a name by one of his friends, you know?

00:30:00.660 And Tiger Woods is like, you know, she's on tour all the time.

00:30:03.460 You know, we have a great relationship.

00:30:04.940 She's, I'm sure she didn't mean anything by it.

00:30:07.340 And brushed it off.

00:30:08.360 And that's why he gets beaten up so, so badly by the left wing sort of people who want everything

00:30:15.820 to be some social justice issue.

00:30:17.600 And he's not addicted to outrage.

00:30:19.580 He's not.

00:30:20.160 And who do people love to go see?

00:30:22.740 And who keeps the PGA pretty much afloat?

00:30:24.900 Oh, and a hundred percent Tiger.

00:30:26.800 And, you know, despite the fact that he's obviously had his issues, you should have seen it.

00:30:30.840 I went to the PGA championship a few weeks ago and, you know, tons and tons of people

00:30:35.760 was in St. Louis.

00:30:36.840 And the only way we could describe it was when Tiger was on a hole, it was like a moving

00:30:42.040 stadium because every, everyone follows him.

00:30:46.260 So you could watch, if he comes to the 13th hole and you're on the 13th hole, which is

00:30:49.820 generally where we were hanging around, you know, Tiger comes up, it's just jam packed.

00:30:54.380 The next group comes through and you're like five feet away from the golfers.

00:30:57.040 No one's really around.

00:30:57.980 It was just like everyone there following this one guy.

00:31:01.360 And, you know, it's deeper than just what we're talking about, you know, when it comes to

00:31:04.540 downplaying these things.

00:31:05.540 But I think that's, I do think that's part of it.

00:31:08.420 You know, someone who actually has the balls to not take the easy, the easy love of the

00:31:14.520 victimhood to just say, you know what?

00:31:16.260 I reject what you're saying.

00:31:17.860 You know, this person, I could easily ruin this person's life right now by coming out

00:31:22.460 against them.

00:31:22.900 But you know what?

00:31:23.360 No, he's actually, he or she is not that bad.

00:31:26.160 And that was not a big comment.

00:31:27.200 That's a tough step to take.

00:31:28.340 He did it with Trump the other day.

00:31:29.800 And they're like, hey, you know, you want to, you want to come out and you want to talk about

00:31:32.120 how bad Donald Trump is and race relations in America?

00:31:34.580 He's like, no, I'm hungry.

00:31:35.660 I just played 72 holes.

00:31:36.960 Like, that's a great answer.

00:31:40.000 And we need more of that.

00:31:41.000 It's a great answer.

00:31:41.740 Yeah.

00:31:42.200 We need more of it.

00:31:43.080 Because why do you think he's so popular?

00:31:45.040 Because he's not playing that game.

00:31:46.720 He's not playing the victim.

00:31:48.840 And by the way, he's black.

00:31:51.040 And white America loves him.

00:31:53.320 All America loves him.

00:31:54.620 It's the same with, you know, it's the same way we embraced O.J. Simpson.

00:31:57.980 Nobody cared.

00:31:59.020 Nobody cared then.

00:31:59.820 Nobody cares now.

00:32:00.940 It's just a manufactured problem.

00:32:03.680 And so it's in front of us all the time.

00:32:05.740 And they're trying to make it a super divisive issue again.

00:32:10.880 When really, it seems like we were in a much better place before.

00:32:15.080 Before Barack Obama, we were in a much better place.

00:32:17.160 I believe that.

00:32:17.640 Because prior to 2008, we weren't doing all of this stuff all the time.

00:32:23.380 No, it really was.

00:32:24.240 It's really a shame.

00:32:24.800 There was certainly a lot of disagreement.

00:32:26.160 I mean, you go back.

00:32:27.640 I was looking through some of our archives recently.

00:32:29.360 And you go back and the things that people were saying about George W. Bush.

00:32:33.480 They were, I mean, they absolutely were hammering him.

00:32:36.620 Honestly, looking back at it, it was closer to Trump than I remembered.

00:32:40.240 Really?

00:32:40.600 Of how hard they were on Bush.

00:32:42.280 I mean, they said all sorts.

00:32:43.720 I mean, they're calling him literally a terrorist in the middle of the war on terror.

00:32:46.640 War pretty much constantly.

00:32:49.060 But that is at least about, you know, it wasn't about race.

00:32:52.900 It was more about the war.

00:32:53.980 It was about the war.

00:32:54.960 Policies.

00:32:55.280 Yeah.

00:32:55.540 It was more policy-based than just sort of, you know, accusations about some internal,

00:33:01.280 you know, vocabulary that they, you know, these dog whistles that they're constantly.

00:33:05.980 That was, you know, they definitely had racial allegations against him.

00:33:09.000 But it was not nearly as bad as it is today.

00:33:12.680 We did not make any.

00:33:14.160 I mean, the polling shows it.

00:33:15.360 Barack Obama was supposed to come in as our first post-racial president, and the exact

00:33:19.480 opposite thing happened.

00:33:21.360 I mean, race is more of an issue now than it's been in decades in this country.

00:33:25.080 Well, that was him.

00:33:26.600 I mean, that's what I mean.

00:33:27.540 And he inflamed it.

00:33:27.880 I feel he sure did.

00:33:28.980 Again, he did the opposite of Tiger Woods.

00:33:30.000 He inflamed it at every single turn.

00:33:32.160 Any time he could advance that agenda, he would come out and talk about it, and he'd make it

00:33:36.280 worse and worse and worse.

00:33:37.100 He'd talk about the birther thing constantly to try to get that into the mainstream more.

00:33:42.500 He did the opposite of what you'd want to do if your goal was actually to disarm these

00:33:47.400 things.

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00:34:19.440 I know the podcast, especially for the news and why it matters, does really well on iTunes.

00:34:23.440 I think you'd like the conversation.

00:34:25.600 It's talking about the big stories of the day and breaking them down in a way I would

00:34:30.440 say is considerably different than the way that MSNBC would do it, I've noticed.

00:34:34.360 You think?

00:34:34.780 Yeah, I've noticed that.

00:34:36.040 You can get it on iTunes.

00:34:36.820 I hadn't noticed that.

00:34:38.040 I'll have to pay attention.

00:34:39.020 Really?

00:34:39.240 A little more closely, yeah.

00:34:40.560 I'm going to look into it.

00:34:41.560 Maybe I made it up.

00:34:45.620 Glenn Beck.

00:34:47.760 Hello.

00:34:48.920 Pat, Stu, and Jeffy.

00:34:50.780 For Glenn this week, 888-727-BECK.

00:34:55.460 Not that sharp today, you know, having stayed out a little past my bedtime last night to

00:35:00.680 see Def Leppard.

00:35:01.200 How late were you out?

00:35:01.740 You were acting like you were out until four in the morning.

00:35:03.580 Well, we got home at 1130.

00:35:07.120 Oh, whoa.

00:35:10.340 Well, you know, come on.

00:35:11.600 We had dinner at four in the afternoon.

00:35:13.760 You know, the early bird specials at the buffet place.

00:35:17.580 Wait a minute.

00:35:18.760 And our bedtime, bedtime's about seven.

00:35:21.260 So that's four and a half hours past my bedtime.

00:35:24.960 Yeah.

00:35:25.160 Your current show every day begins at noon.

00:35:28.700 Correct.

00:35:29.660 Yeah, well, noon Eastern.

00:35:31.260 Noon Eastern.

00:35:32.160 Here, though, it's 11 in the morning.

00:35:34.200 Okay, so 11 o'clock.

00:35:35.300 Yes.

00:35:35.980 You come in and do some prep.

00:35:37.820 Right.

00:35:38.600 Your normal bedtime isn't 11 o'clock?

00:35:41.500 At night, you mean?

00:35:42.260 Yeah.

00:35:43.060 No, it's seven.

00:35:43.740 But my daughter bought us, she surprised me at Christmas with seats.

00:35:53.840 And, you know, so our seats that she could afford were somewhat high up, like the exact

00:35:59.960 highest row at the American Airline Center.

00:36:02.420 Really?

00:36:02.980 Nice.

00:36:03.200 Our seats were so high, we were actually watching the concert from space.

00:36:06.980 Oh, really?

00:36:07.660 From space.

00:36:08.200 Yeah, but the good thing was the Hubble telescope, I was able to position it so I could gaze through

00:36:15.920 it and see the stage with the Hubble telescope.

00:36:18.860 Oh, I'm glad you found the Hubble.

00:36:20.880 Yeah.

00:36:21.180 Did you tweet and Instagram some pictures from the show?

00:36:23.460 My wife actually did.

00:36:24.120 Yeah, she did.

00:36:25.260 They were good.

00:36:26.760 I mean, I know you're not a big...

00:36:28.100 Are you a big Def Leppard fan?

00:36:29.380 Oh, man.

00:36:30.260 Yeah, neither one of you are.

00:36:31.140 You can't keep me away from...

00:36:33.660 I mean, for 60-year-old rockers now, pretty good.

00:36:38.720 They still sound like they did in the 80s.

00:36:40.620 I could see that being a fun show.

00:36:41.580 Really good, yeah.

00:36:42.440 And Journey, too.

00:36:43.100 And Journey was good, too.

00:36:45.220 You know, they still have most of the original members, but obviously Steve Perry's not part

00:36:49.260 of the band anymore.

00:36:50.860 The guy that sounds like him is really good, though, right?

00:36:53.340 It's so weird to see that voice come out of him because you just...

00:36:57.800 You don't...

00:36:58.280 I don't know why you don't associate it with the Steve Perry voice, but if you close your

00:37:01.980 eyes, you could imagine it's Steve Perry on stage.

00:37:05.120 When you open your eyes, you realize it's not Steve Perry.

00:37:08.160 It's not Steve Perry.

00:37:08.820 It's not Steve Perry.

00:37:09.500 But, man, he's good.

00:37:11.100 And I don't know when he took over.

00:37:13.600 It seems to me he's been in the band almost as long, if not longer, than Steve Perry does

00:37:17.880 now.

00:37:18.940 Yeah.

00:37:19.380 So, anyway...

00:37:21.160 So, did you Uber to the show so you could drink and party and get back home?

00:37:25.780 Oh, yeah.

00:37:26.320 You know what drinkers and partiers we are.

00:37:28.360 That's what I'm saying, yeah.

00:37:29.180 So, we hit it pretty hard, yeah.

00:37:30.560 Yeah.

00:37:30.900 Yeah.

00:37:31.180 He hit it pretty hard.

00:37:32.660 I had a bottle of water.

00:37:36.080 Oh, my God.

00:37:36.600 Whoa.

00:37:36.840 So, I was wiped out by the end of the night.

00:37:39.220 12 bucks?

00:37:40.360 You know, it's interesting because the soft drink I bought my daughter, my daughter came

00:37:45.060 with us, our 18-year-old.

00:37:47.280 It was $9 for a soda.

00:37:50.320 Nine dollars.

00:37:50.940 Don't ever talk to me about price gouging during storms again, ever.

00:37:54.980 Right?

00:37:55.580 Ever.

00:37:56.100 I mean, they gouge you at a concert or any sort of event like this.

00:38:00.060 And the bottle of water was actually only $4.25.

00:38:04.060 Still, though.

00:38:04.680 Oh, that was a bargain.

00:38:05.980 Still, though.

00:38:06.640 $4.25.

00:38:09.300 I mean, if you would have bought a hot dog, I don't even...

00:38:12.120 $83?

00:38:12.660 I don't know what that would cost.

00:38:15.580 But, man, they're making some money on concessions at the AAC.

00:38:19.520 I mean, I...

00:38:20.480 You go for Maverick games a lot, don't you?

00:38:22.680 Yeah, I go a couple a year.

00:38:23.780 Is that about what you pay for the basketball games, Joe?

00:38:25.920 It's actually not a particularly expensive arena, either, I would say.

00:38:30.340 I mean, you can get some things that are relatively cheap there.

00:38:34.180 You know, they give free refills on sodas and things like that.

00:38:37.120 You don't get that in most places.

00:38:38.980 Boy, no kidding.

00:38:40.080 But, you know, it's a stadium.

00:38:43.840 We all know it, right?

00:38:44.640 Yeah.

00:38:44.700 I mean, we all know that you're trapped.

00:38:46.640 You can't leave.

00:38:47.360 Yes.

00:38:47.740 You can't come back in with anything.

00:38:49.700 Right.

00:38:50.600 It's just you're trapped.

00:38:51.520 They don't let you in or out with anything.

00:38:52.900 Just like the airport.

00:38:53.520 Yeah.

00:38:55.120 Security was fairly tight, too.

00:38:56.960 I don't know if they were expecting something, but, man, it took a long time to get in.

00:39:03.040 So...

00:39:03.400 Well, I mean, I'm sure this concert was great, but you missed the real entertainment of the

00:39:07.680 evening.

00:39:08.580 That's what I heard.

00:39:09.340 Which was the Cynthia Nixon-Andrew Cuomo debate.

00:39:13.020 Uh-huh.

00:39:13.960 Which, again, I mean, they're both sort of nuts, right?

00:39:18.060 Oh, yeah.

00:39:19.240 But that's what makes it so great.

00:39:20.840 But that's what makes it fun, yeah.

00:39:22.100 These hardcore leftists are eating their own.

00:39:24.400 I love it when that happens.

00:39:25.580 It is entertaining.

00:39:27.000 It is entertaining.

00:39:27.780 And they were very, very upset at each other.

00:39:29.620 There was a lot of fighting that went on.

00:39:32.020 It's a weird race because you have a guy whose legacy name in that state.

00:39:35.900 You know, his dad, Mario Cuomo, of course, was governor.

00:39:38.680 He's currently governor.

00:39:40.140 His brother is Chris Cuomo, who's on CNN every night.

00:39:43.240 And then Cynthia Nixon, of course, well-known for Sex and the City.

00:39:47.820 She was like the one that people didn't really like that much on that show.

00:39:51.900 And...

00:39:52.460 She's also essentially socialist, isn't she?

00:39:54.780 Yeah.

00:39:55.040 She's like a Democrat.

00:39:55.840 She's like an Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez policy-wise.

00:39:58.680 So she's attacking from the left Andrew Cuomo and saying, you know, Andrew Cuomo, who has launched how many investigations against the Trump administration, who has, you know, trashed him at every turn, is too pro-Trump for New York.

00:40:15.180 That's basically her case.

00:40:16.860 Wow.

00:40:17.220 Let's listen to some of the clips from this.

00:40:19.060 First of all, they're...

00:40:21.000 I mean, this is back and forth.

00:40:22.720 This is about lying.

00:40:24.100 Listen.

00:40:25.400 He used the MTA like an ATM, and we see the result.

00:40:29.420 He has had seven and a half years to avoid this very avoidable crisis in our New York City subway, and he has done next to nothing.

00:40:38.780 Why would the next four years be any different?

00:40:41.460 Governor, would you like to respond to that?

00:40:42.620 My opponent lives in the world of fiction.

00:40:44.980 I live in the world of fact.

00:40:48.020 Let's do...

00:40:48.860 Let's just do a few facts, okay?

00:40:51.600 The subway system is owned by New York City.

00:40:55.600 The subway system...

00:40:56.260 The MTA has been controlled by the state since 1965.

00:40:58.700 Can you stop interrupting?

00:41:01.160 Can you stop interrupting?

00:41:02.160 Can you stop lying?

00:41:03.640 Yeah.

00:41:05.120 As soon as you do.

00:41:07.660 So he is admitting that he's lying there, apparently.

00:41:10.100 He will stop lying as soon as she stops lying, is his premise here.

00:41:15.300 It's amazing because, first of all, you hear all the little pre-made catchphrases that are built in there.

00:41:20.840 You use the MTA like it's an ATM.

00:41:23.640 Uh-huh.

00:41:24.060 And you live in a world of fiction, and I live in a world of fact.

00:41:27.580 You know, the back and forth is somewhat uninteresting to me.

00:41:31.820 I don't care, really, what happens with the New York City subways.

00:41:35.280 I don't have to deal with them anymore.

00:41:36.900 So, you know, if they exist, if they don't exist, if they turn them into a museum, if they, you know, if they never get used again, eh.

00:41:46.720 Not really a huge factor in my life.

00:41:48.300 However, it's interesting to see them go back and forth because, again, you know, she's, of course, arguing for more centralized control, which is what you do when you're a democratic socialist, right?

00:41:58.880 And, you know, I don't know the ins and outs of the subway debate there, but it's kind of a, it's amazing that, like, you could tell she's tried to read up and tried to, you know, inject herself into this race as someone who's credible rather than just a celebrity.

00:42:15.820 You know, whether this is going to work or not, I don't know.

00:42:18.560 She's a huge underdog.

00:42:20.000 She did go on to, we always talk about bringing everything to race.

00:42:22.520 It's kind of a thing you have to do as a democratic candidate, and certainly if you're a democratic socialist, every issue is really a race issue.

00:42:30.420 And Cynthia Nixon found a new one.

00:42:32.020 Listen.

00:42:32.740 You even ran a campaign contest giving away a bong to lucky supporters.

00:42:37.560 What do you say to a parent who's trying to teach their children to stay away from drugs?

00:42:43.200 So, I think it's very important that we legalize marijuana here in New York State.

00:42:49.260 Eight other states have done it, plus the District of Columbia.

00:42:52.180 There are a lot of reasons to do it, but first and foremost, because it's a racial justice issue.

00:42:57.000 Because people across all ethnic and racial lines use marijuana at roughly the same rates, but the arrests for marijuana are 80% black and Latino.

00:43:07.940 Marijuana in New York State has been legal for white people for a long time, and it's time to make it legal for everybody else.

00:43:14.840 What do you say to parents who don't want their kids starting to use drugs?

00:43:19.280 That's great.

00:43:19.740 I would say that people now don't choose to use marijuana because of its legality or illegality.

00:43:29.840 But what we need to stop is we need to stop the very uneven arrests of people of color for marijuana.

00:43:37.840 The way I would teach your kids to not do drugs is to completely avoid your question.

00:43:42.200 That's what I would like to do.

00:43:45.200 I mean, you know, look, the issue, if marijuana, if these numbers are correct, which they may be, I mean, I would assume largely a lot of that has to do with, you know, the way cities are going to be policed as opposed to rural areas, right?

00:44:00.620 I mean, you're going to have a larger minority populations in cities.

00:44:03.380 There's going to be more police officers in cities.

00:44:05.540 There's going to be largely, you know, more arrests of people in cities than someone who's on their farm in the middle of upstate New York smoking pot.

00:44:14.400 If those numbers are right, I mean, there's probably very logical reasons for them.

00:44:18.220 But beyond that, you know, if you think there's a problem with racial prejudice in the police department, the excuse isn't to make everything legal.

00:44:28.360 Like, you don't say, like, well, you know, black people get arrested at higher rates for murder.

00:44:32.240 Therefore, murder is legal.

00:44:34.140 That's a really stupid solution to the problem you're trying to attack.

00:44:39.100 So, I mean, there are many reasons and arguments to be made about whether drugs should be legal.

00:44:44.820 You know, Jeff, you can give them to you if you want them.

00:44:47.040 I mean, geez.

00:44:48.220 There's a lot of them.

00:44:49.060 But still, there's not a there's no reason to make something legal because of the fact you think it's a racial issue.

00:44:56.000 That's a totally different issue.

00:44:57.260 So if you believe police are racist and they're just racing, you know, looking for reasons to arrest black people, they're going to find other reasons to arrest black people.

00:45:04.420 Right.

00:45:04.720 Right.

00:45:04.860 If you can make pot a not a crime, they'll find another reason to arrest them because your premise is they're all racist and they want to arrest black people for no reason.

00:45:14.160 So why on earth would this make any difference in the problem you're trying to solve?

00:45:19.380 I guess the answer would be it's not.

00:45:21.320 That's not.

00:45:21.720 Cynthia Nixon also wants Medicare for all just like so many on the left.

00:45:27.840 Now, we talked about this yesterday on the TV show.

00:45:29.500 If you get a chance to go back and watch it, talking about how there's a list of the top five candidates in for the Democratic nomination in 2020.

00:45:38.920 And four of the five, I think, really fairly could be called Democratic Socialists or at least at this point running as Democratic Socialists.

00:45:49.680 I mean, Bernie Sanders has already admitted it right now in 2013.

00:45:53.680 Bernie Sanders introduced Medicare for all for the country in 2013.

00:45:58.000 He got exactly zero co-sponsors on that bill.

00:46:01.460 Zero.

00:46:01.760 When he re-announced it this time, he got Kirsten Gillibrand, who was there.

00:46:08.160 She's in the top five.

00:46:09.680 He got Elizabeth Warren, showed up for that one.

00:46:13.960 She's in the top five.

00:46:16.000 And there's one other one.

00:46:18.420 Oh, Kamala Harris, who was also in the top five.

00:46:21.180 And she showed up.

00:46:22.260 Four of the top five supported that.

00:46:24.220 You know, Joe Biden is just like, I think, at home in a hammock at this point.

00:46:27.940 But he was actually number one on the list of the, I think, most likely, which is an amazing statement.

00:46:33.780 But, I mean, you could argue Biden isn't a Democratic Socialist.

00:46:36.700 I think he's a super liberal guy.

00:46:38.740 You know, and I think when he gets in the middle of this campaign, he's going to start sounding a lot like a Democratic Socialist because he's going to have to defend his left flank to win that primary.

00:46:47.060 So, you're going to get a Democratic Socialist as the Democratic nominee under most situations we can consider right now.

00:46:56.620 Now, you know, someone else jumps in.

00:46:58.060 It could change the race completely.

00:46:59.520 But it's kind of interesting.

00:47:00.800 Here's Cynthia Nixon talking about Medicare for all.

00:47:03.900 Ms. Nixon, you are proposing that New York State move to a single-payer health care system, also known as Medicare for all.

00:47:11.020 Everybody would be covered.

00:47:11.980 A RAND Corporation study found this would cost $139 billion.

00:47:16.960 That's almost the size of the state budget.

00:47:19.080 It would double it.

00:47:20.320 How do you plan to make this happen?

00:47:22.220 So, the RAND Corporation also said that it would be a tremendous savings for New York State.

00:47:28.720 We can insure all of our people here by a single-payer Medicare for all system.

00:47:34.460 We can do it better.

00:47:35.480 We can do it cheaper.

00:47:36.660 We can do it with no co-pays, with no deductibles, and 98% of New Yorkers would pay less for their health care than they do now.

00:47:45.860 The same study also found this would nearly triple the state tax rate for an average family from 6% to 18%.

00:47:53.080 That's a family making roughly $100,000 to $150,000.

00:47:55.480 If you look at, say, what a family now who earns, let's say, $49,000, the cost of health care for that family is $17,500.

00:48:08.420 The cost between the individual and the employer would be a sixth of that.

00:48:15.860 What we would have is a payroll tax in order to pay for it.

00:48:19.260 It would be taken out of people's payrolls the same way Social Security is taken out.

00:48:24.240 It would be an overall savings for 98% of New Yorkers, and it would be an enormous savings for employers here.

00:48:31.940 It is seen that it could create 200,000 jobs because employers would no longer be responsible for providing health care for their employees.

00:48:42.880 Wow.

00:48:43.560 I mean, that is...

00:48:44.460 None of what she said made sense.

00:48:45.660 No.

00:48:45.840 None of it.

00:48:47.240 It's going to double the budget, but it would also provide savings.

00:48:50.340 It's going to save us lots of money.

00:48:51.340 What?

00:48:51.560 It's going to create 200,000 jobs.

00:48:53.140 Who's paying the 200,000 people?

00:48:55.560 Right?

00:48:55.940 Yeah.

00:48:56.220 Like, these are all...

00:48:57.440 Yeah.

00:48:58.360 You know, I mean, as we all know, when you start a gigantic government program, there is always some report you can cite that it's going to be a savings.

00:49:07.820 And all they have to do is take it out of their payroll.

00:49:09.740 That's all they have to do.

00:49:10.580 That's it.

00:49:10.960 Is just take it out of your payroll.

00:49:12.660 Well, is that...

00:49:14.440 I mean, that's what he's saying.

00:49:16.260 Yeah.

00:49:16.520 It just...

00:49:17.120 It's a...

00:49:18.420 Payroll tax is better than any other tax.

00:49:21.500 Well, it's a savings.

00:49:22.620 Well, it's a savings in that it comes out of my paycheck before I get my paycheck.

00:49:26.500 So, that's a good thing?

00:49:27.560 I don't see how.

00:49:29.660 It's the same money.

00:49:30.560 It's still coming out of my check.

00:49:32.360 It's less money, though.

00:49:33.740 It's really not.

00:49:35.140 No.

00:49:35.580 You just say it's cheaper.

00:49:36.340 It's really not.

00:49:36.580 And then, I mean, we all know, obviously, the problems that go along with this.

00:49:39.380 I mean, we had this story of...

00:49:40.460 There's an NHS story here that I've been holding on to.

00:49:43.060 A woman, mother, dies after failing to raise the 200,000 pounds.

00:49:51.840 So, you know...

00:49:53.060 250, probably.

00:49:54.460 250, $300,000.

00:49:55.560 She needed to get a cancer drug that was actually covered by NHS, but only covered for a different

00:50:02.960 type of cancer.

00:50:03.640 So, they have really promising results on her type of cancer as well, and she wanted

00:50:09.440 to try to get it covered.

00:50:10.860 They wouldn't cover it, and they let her die because she couldn't raise the money in time.

00:50:17.520 And we've seen that, you know, stories like that over and over and over again from these

00:50:20.440 systems.

00:50:21.040 Now, what she's arguing for is not quite all the way to Great Britain, but it's not far

00:50:24.460 away either.

00:50:25.160 It's certainly a nice big step in that direction, and because it will go bankrupt, and because

00:50:28.720 it will fail, they will eventually have to go to a more NHS-type system.

00:50:32.860 Yeah, they'll say they didn't go far enough.

00:50:34.640 Yep.

00:50:34.960 That's always the answer.

00:50:36.260 We didn't charge enough, not enough taxes, not enough money from rich people.

00:50:39.520 We didn't get enough government control.

00:50:41.120 If we only could get that this time, it will work until next time when we have to do it

00:50:44.880 again.

00:50:46.240 Based on the debate last night, who do you like in that race?

00:50:50.240 I mean, it's...

00:50:50.700 I'm ready to cast my vote.

00:50:51.560 It's going to be tough, right?

00:50:52.760 I actually did cast my vote by moving to Texas.

00:50:54.620 Yeah.

00:50:56.340 888-727-BECK.

00:51:04.500 Glenn Beck.

00:51:06.000 It's Pat, Stu, and Jeffy for Glenn.

00:51:10.400 888-727-BECK.

00:51:12.620 Mexican TV reporter was shot dead in Cancun.

00:51:19.540 It used to be, it seems, in Mexico with all this violence, and last year there were something

00:51:27.600 like 30, 32,000 murders in Mexico, almost double what we had in the United States with three

00:51:36.980 times the population.

00:51:38.860 But it used to be that in the resorts, the drug cartels didn't carry out their killings

00:51:46.940 and their violence because they still wanted, you know, tourism to come, and they wanted,

00:51:51.140 they didn't want their clientele to stay in the United States and be afraid to come to

00:51:55.820 Mexico.

00:51:56.100 It seems like that's off now.

00:51:58.060 And they're just, they're killing people everywhere.

00:52:00.320 Resorts, inner cities, it doesn't matter to them.

00:52:05.180 So a Mexican TV reporter was shot yesterday, becoming the eighth journalist to be killed

00:52:11.840 this year in a country that's pretty dangerous for the media, and it was pretty dangerous

00:52:16.480 last year for the politicians.

00:52:18.660 Would you follow that where something like 180 candidates and politicians were killed last

00:52:23.200 year?

00:52:23.420 It's hard to imagine, to imagine a country like that.

00:52:26.840 I mean, certainly we had a Bernie Sanders campaign volunteer who tried to make that happen,

00:52:31.360 but generally speaking, that seemed, especially the way it happens there, it's just people

00:52:36.100 walking down the street and just executed for no reason.

00:52:39.980 And then it's not like a mass shooting or, you know, like if a building blows up with a

00:52:44.060 lot of politicians in it.

00:52:44.860 It's just like constant attacks all over the country.

00:52:46.760 In one case, a guy had just finished up with an interview and came out of a television

00:52:53.120 building.

00:52:53.840 Some guy just walked up and shot him in the back of the head and walked off.

00:52:57.860 I mean, that's the kind of stuff that happens on a pretty regular basis.

00:53:01.600 And so you might think with that sort of violence south of our border, we might be careful about

00:53:08.060 who's crossing that border.

00:53:10.100 Oh, don't be silly.

00:53:11.020 Yeah, I know.

00:53:11.600 I mean, the State Department has only ordered a travel advisory for Mexico now.

00:53:15.840 Oh, okay.

00:53:16.420 You know, it's a level two, so don't worry about it.

00:53:18.100 No, I'm not.

00:53:19.400 I'm not worried about it.

00:53:20.100 But that's us going to Mexico.

00:53:22.780 Right.

00:53:23.340 That's not Mexico coming here.

00:53:26.020 No, don't worry about that.

00:53:27.500 Because everybody who comes across, just good, decent, hardworking family people that can't

00:53:31.620 be separated from their families.

00:53:33.140 So it's not an issue.

00:53:34.900 I'm sorry I even brought it up.

00:53:37.120 Never mind.

00:53:37.700 What a jerk.

00:53:38.360 Never mind.

00:53:39.100 Why did you do that?

00:53:39.720 I apologize.

00:53:40.600 Racism?

00:53:40.760 It's just, well, no, it's a terrible mistake.

00:53:44.400 Sorry.

00:53:44.760 You sort of monkeyed that up.

00:53:48.740 It's Pat Stowe and Jeffy for Glenn.

00:53:50.340 You know what's been fun to see over the years is the evolution of Kanye West.

00:53:55.020 Is it an evolution or is it just, I mean, it's a complete change.

00:53:59.140 Yeah.

00:54:00.020 Yes.

00:54:00.440 180 degrees, the opposite direction.

00:54:02.880 Do you remember right after Hurricane Katrina, they had that big fundraiser and all the celebrities

00:54:07.840 got together and they went on TV and they went on TV and Kanye was one of them.

00:54:10.860 And he and Michael Myers were sharing the stage and talking about how bad things were

00:54:16.900 and how you needed to donate.

00:54:18.760 And here's, this happened.

00:54:20.280 The destruction of the spirit of the people of Southern Louisiana and Mississippi may end up

00:54:24.160 being the most tragic loss of all.

00:54:25.800 George Bush doesn't care about black people.

00:54:30.320 Okay.

00:54:30.860 So, so good.

00:54:32.120 Kanye going off script just a tad.

00:54:35.020 And Michael Myers was like, I don't want to be here for this.

00:54:39.000 No, I don't.

00:54:39.640 That's not on the teleprompter.

00:54:41.520 Why were you saying that, Kanye?

00:54:43.380 Legitimately incredible.

00:54:44.240 And his delivery is so good of it.

00:54:46.240 George Bush doesn't care about black people.

00:54:48.920 He doesn't even try to make a transition.

00:54:50.260 The destruction of the spirit of the people of Southern Louisiana and Mississippi may end up

00:54:52.880 being the most tragic loss of all.

00:54:54.660 Right.

00:54:54.980 George Bush doesn't care about black people.

00:55:00.840 So, not caring about black people is funny, is it?

00:55:03.720 No, it is.

00:55:04.280 No, just the way he presents it is funny.

00:55:08.860 It's a little different now.

00:55:10.200 Yeah, it's changed quite a bit with Donald Trump.

00:55:11.960 He's a big fan of Trump.

00:55:13.940 And he was doing an interview on 107.5 WGCI about apparently Donald Trump, or at least

00:55:22.900 that came up in the interview.

00:55:23.960 Here's what he said.

00:55:25.480 I feel that he cares about the way black people feel about him.

00:55:34.940 That's true, I would say.

00:55:36.140 Yeah, I'd say that's true.

00:55:36.880 And he would like for black people to like him.

00:55:42.840 Yes.

00:55:43.240 Like they did when he was cool and the rap songs and all this and stuff.

00:55:47.140 WWE.

00:55:47.540 Yeah, and he will do the things that are necessary to make that happen because he's got an ego like all the rest of us.

00:56:00.580 And he doesn't, he wants to be the greatest president.

00:56:05.440 And he knows that he can't be the greatest president without the acceptance of the black community.

00:56:11.060 So it's something that he's going to work towards, but we're going to have to speak to him.

00:56:18.520 Well, that was actually a decent case that he lays out.

00:56:23.940 Yeah, we all know that President Trump likes to be liked, wants to be liked, and will try to please people.

00:56:31.820 He's a pleaser.

00:56:32.600 And so that's kind of what he's playing into there.

00:56:36.640 He likes the people who like him and he doesn't like the people who don't like him.

00:56:39.600 Exactly.

00:56:39.960 And, you know, if the black community, again, one of these groups eventually is going to learn this.

00:56:45.960 You know, if you, I mean, and I think, you know, Kanye and Kardashian and Kim Kardashian are two of the probably, I guess, the leaders in this.

00:56:53.700 Because they know that if they're, if they take the hit.

00:56:55.660 Well, Kim's already used it.

00:56:56.760 If they take the hit of going out there and backing Donald Trump, he'll give you what you want.

00:57:00.700 And was there any doubt that when Kim Kardashian presented the woman who was in prison for 20 years for the first time drug offense,

00:57:10.040 was there any doubt in anybody's mind that the way she presented that to the president then showed up and was respectful and never, never said anything bad about him?

00:57:18.380 Was there any doubt in anybody's mind he was going to pardon her?

00:57:21.340 No way.

00:57:21.880 No doubt in my mind.

00:57:23.200 And he did.

00:57:23.900 No doubt.

00:57:24.320 No matter whether he should have or not.

00:57:25.520 It was done.

00:57:26.040 It worked.

00:57:26.340 It was a done deal.

00:57:27.140 He knew it was going to happen.

00:57:27.900 They did it right.

00:57:28.580 They did it the way it was going to affect Trump positively.

00:57:33.400 And I think Kanye's playing that same game now.

00:57:37.480 That's interesting because that's a different explanation than I would have thought he gave.

00:57:42.300 Yeah, because until I heard this, I was kind of under the impression that he just likes to be a contrarian from time to time.

00:57:49.480 That he just likes to stir things up once in a while.

00:57:52.240 And so he just took the opposite stance of most of his peers and just said, I like Trump because he's never really outlined that I've heard.

00:58:04.440 Maybe maybe you have missed.

00:58:05.640 You know, I try to stay as current on Kanye affairs as I possibly can, but it's possible I may have missed an interview where he outlined exactly what policies he likes about Trump.

00:58:15.920 But when I've seen him interviewed, he hasn't been able to articulate anything he particularly likes about him or why he doesn't there.

00:58:24.420 And he doesn't really there.

00:58:25.680 He just kind of, well, he's he wants to be liked by us.

00:58:29.620 So he's going to try to do the things that we like.

00:58:32.200 So we like him.

00:58:33.900 Right.

00:58:34.300 And I think I look that effect is exaggerated with Trump, obviously.

00:58:37.800 But, you know, I think that it's a good approach for everybody.

00:58:40.620 Right.

00:58:40.980 I mean, if you don't come out and be a constant jerk to somebody, you have a better chance of getting something that helps you.

00:58:46.620 You know, we certainly all understand that when it comes to our business lives.

00:58:50.140 We certainly all understand that when it comes to our family lives.

00:58:53.140 Yet when it comes to politics, all, you know, all we do is and this is not just us.

00:58:57.720 It's the other side as well.

00:58:58.640 All we do is just rip each other constantly.

00:59:00.300 And, you know, people always say, well, you're never going to change, you know, Democrats minds.

00:59:06.120 You're never going to change that.

00:59:07.280 Well, I mean, I don't know.

00:59:08.900 Look at I mean, Trump, it does not get elected without Democrats.

00:59:12.480 He has absolutely no chance.

00:59:14.500 I mean, he does not win that race without.

00:59:17.720 What is it?

00:59:18.560 You know, 10 or 20 percent of people who voted for Barack Obama twice and then voted for Trump.

00:59:24.720 You know, so, you know, if you go there and you and you.

00:59:28.500 And you can win over people that are, you know, that are winnable.

00:59:33.840 Some aren't.

00:59:34.300 You're not going to win Michael Moore over to your case.

00:59:36.700 But if you focus on actually trying to persuade people rather than, you know, just trying to have your views, you know, echoed back to you.

00:59:46.160 I think that's a good approach.

00:59:47.540 And it's probably a smart approach by by Kanye here.

00:59:50.480 Right.

00:59:50.720 I mean, I think it is.

00:59:51.740 I think to turn your thing around, is there any chance that this woman gets pardoned without Kanye and Kim Kardashian?

00:59:58.060 I think the chances are very low.

01:00:00.120 I know Jared Kushner is big on the on the criminal justice reform thing.

01:00:03.500 So maybe he would have found this particular case.

01:00:06.200 I doubt it.

01:00:06.720 I doubt it.

01:00:07.420 I doubt it.

01:00:07.580 Because what we've heard from other people who are for criminal reform since then, that wouldn't be for letting her go.

01:00:17.280 They weren't for that release of her.

01:00:19.800 Which is weird.

01:00:20.500 Why?

01:00:20.740 So there was they they had some other problem with why she was in jail, how it was portrayed that it was portrayed that she was the first time offender and that she was a mother.

01:00:33.660 And yeah, that necessarily, I don't think, was 100 percent true.

01:00:37.180 I've definitely heard the case that the idea, you know, when you say a first time offender and she wasn't doing drugs or selling drugs, she was transporting them.

01:00:45.380 And you think of that, you're like, all right, well, what did you want?

01:00:47.700 She's bringing them across town, you know, but I guess it was a very large amount of drugs that, you know, affected a community very negatively for a long period of time.

01:00:55.880 So, you know, it wasn't quite as simple as it was portrayed by, you know.

01:01:01.500 Right.

01:01:01.840 But we really expect the nuance out of Kim Kardashian or is that, you know.

01:01:04.800 No, no, not at all.

01:01:06.020 But again, does does she get out without them?

01:01:08.740 No way.

01:01:09.220 I don't think so.

01:01:09.920 No.

01:01:10.220 Right.

01:01:10.420 No way.

01:01:10.980 And we had we had been told when that happened that they had dozens of other cases like this,

01:01:15.120 that they were planning on moving on.

01:01:16.500 And we haven't seen any really since.

01:01:18.840 So I don't know if they've just halted that program or I mean, maybe they need, you know,

01:01:23.440 I mean, this is something, you know, maybe Trump, I think Trump likes the idea that, you know,

01:01:27.260 a celebrity comes in there and says, hey, you know, here's a sensible thing and please, please do it.

01:01:31.900 And then and then you've got Kim Kardashian has what?

01:01:35.220 A hundred million followers on social network.

01:01:37.900 Probably the fact that she's coming out and saying positive things.

01:01:40.920 Kanye West, the same.

01:01:42.020 That doesn't hurt.

01:01:42.560 It doesn't hurt.

01:01:43.000 And, you know, while, again, there is a Rasmussen poll out there that has Trump's approval rating among African-Americans very high, I think, in the 30s.

01:01:51.200 Most polls have shown an improvement, not quite as drastic as Rasmussen, but in the in the mid-teens, which is high for a Republican president, at least in recent memory, going back at least a couple of presidents.

01:02:03.820 So there's probably a couple of factors.

01:02:05.240 There's one black unemployment is at record low levels.

01:02:09.700 And the other factor is probably Kanye West and Kim Kardashian saying good things about him.

01:02:14.440 I mean, really, the black unemployment level really should be a lot more important than what Kim Kardashian says.

01:02:19.580 I don't know that it is.

01:02:20.540 I don't think it is, right.

01:02:21.340 I think, you know, politics are so much emotion and so much feeling and so much perception that the Kanye West, Kim Kardashian thing might actually be more important than the low unemployment rate,

01:02:31.960 which is ridiculous, but I mean, because it really that should be it falls fair here.

01:02:37.760 Just that difference.

01:02:39.040 You know, the African-Americans having such a high unemployment rate for such a long time.

01:02:42.920 The fact that he's the first president who's really overseen a large decrease in that to the lowest levels that we've seen in a long time,

01:02:49.960 it should be enough to win over 30 or 40 percent.

01:02:52.520 Yeah, you'd think of the population because such a big issue.

01:02:55.320 Again, it's the economy, stupid.

01:02:56.480 We've been told that for decades.

01:02:57.780 And the fact that that one has really been improved.

01:03:00.960 You know, it really hasn't had the fanfare that you would expect if we weren't all in our tribes and all partisan all the time.

01:03:09.720 There's a new issue with the president that he tweeted out this morning that I don't know what it is.

01:03:14.820 And I don't know that anybody knows what this is.

01:03:17.320 There's only one person who might know who it is.

01:03:19.260 And the president of the Lester Holt fan club, Jeff Fisher.

01:03:22.760 Yes.

01:03:23.200 So, Jeff, we'll be we'll be turning to you in a moment.

01:03:25.780 But President Trump tweeted out this morning when Lester Holt got caught fudging my tape on Russia, they were hurt badly.

01:03:36.500 What?

01:03:37.600 What do you what did Lester Holt do to fudge your tape on Russia?

01:03:42.640 I don't even know what he's talking about.

01:03:45.740 Yeah.

01:03:46.540 What?

01:03:47.060 What?

01:03:47.740 Yeah.

01:03:48.020 There's been no stories about that.

01:03:49.580 He's never before today complained about it.

01:03:52.120 There's no there's been no leaks from the White House press corps about this tape being a problem.

01:03:58.900 You know, he did an interview and he's never said there was anything wrong with the interview really before.

01:04:03.720 And no one seems to know what he's talking about.

01:04:05.560 Lester Holt has done nothing but report the news and been down the middle road report.

01:04:12.100 Jeff, he's been obsessed with Lester Holt since I've known him.

01:04:14.340 No one understands why he can never explain why he loves him so much.

01:04:18.940 But he's an ardent defender of Lester Holt, which is strange.

01:04:23.980 He is the only Lester Holt fan I've ever heard of or seen.

01:04:28.460 Yeah.

01:04:28.760 So it's kind of fascinating.

01:04:30.300 It's kind of fun to see.

01:04:31.500 There's another situation like this recently where Donald Trump tweeted out that he had a 52 percent approval rating in a recent poll.

01:04:37.840 And, you know, again, like all the people who follow polls for a living were tossing this around and saying, what is it like?

01:04:46.520 What is he talking about?

01:04:47.700 There's no poll that has been released that shows him with a 52 percent approval rating.

01:04:51.820 Now, it's kind of standard Trump treatment and really any politician treatment is to pick your best poll and act like that's the only poll.

01:04:58.340 Right.

01:04:58.480 When you have a good one, you tweet that one.

01:05:00.160 But when you don't, you don't.

01:05:01.780 That's very typical.

01:05:02.660 Radio stations do that all the time.

01:05:04.160 Everybody does it.

01:05:04.880 Right.

01:05:05.040 Like you highlight your good things and you and you deemphasize your bad ones.

01:05:08.960 But this one doesn't even seem to exist.

01:05:11.320 The only thing they could come up with was there was an NBC poll that showed he had 52 percent disapproval rating and that maybe he just misread it.

01:05:17.460 Which is everybody makes mistakes.

01:05:19.620 But I mean, this is a great example.

01:05:21.200 That's hard for me to believe that Donald Trump would make a mistake like that.

01:05:24.680 I guess it could happen to anybody.

01:05:26.540 Is it hard to believe?

01:05:27.140 Oh, yeah.

01:05:28.120 But it's interesting in that this is the great reason, I think, to implement the policy that I've been living by for a while, which is, you know, if Donald Trump tweets it or Donald Trump says it, there's no reason to spend any time on it.

01:05:42.260 Maybe you get the quick, OK, here's what he might have meant and let's move on.

01:05:45.920 But I mean, both of these things, like the fact that he he's he's talking about Lester Holt.

01:05:50.080 Like we can spend a month trying to figure out what he'd try to read his mind and figure out what he's talking about.

01:05:54.540 But it doesn't matter.

01:05:55.360 I if he has evidence of it, I'm sure he'll produce it.

01:05:58.720 And then when he has evidence, that's him doing something, not just tweeting it.

01:06:02.000 You know, when he wants to do something, we talked about this a little bit yesterday with Russia.

01:06:06.000 If you look at what Donald Trump has said and tweeted, you may very well get the impression that he's super light on Russia and his best friends with Vladimir Putin.

01:06:14.780 When you look at what his administration has done with Russia, it's sanctioned them a lot of times.

01:06:19.540 He's actually been I mean, you know, and you could say, well, it's only other people in his administration.

01:06:23.320 Well, that's it. You know, he's responsible for his administration.

01:06:26.620 And by the way, he's been taking away those sanctions, but they haven't been taken away, taken away.

01:06:31.660 Like so as a guy, you know, like Donald Trump, who continually tells you a lot of the things he says and tweets are about negotiation, meaning he doesn't actually mean them.

01:06:41.940 He's just sort of throwing them out there to push negotiations in a direction that he finds favorable.

01:06:46.940 Why would you listen to them?

01:06:48.180 And he's telling you half the time he doesn't mean what he's saying.

01:06:52.040 So why not take him at his word and just let him tweet and let him, you know, pay attention to these, you know, and let him talk and say these things.

01:07:00.760 But when he actually moves to do one of them at that point, you can start to take it seriously.

01:07:06.360 And obviously, when he's tweeting bad things about Lester Holt, those can't be true.

01:07:10.920 Obviously, this is your big problem.

01:07:12.880 This is the biggest problem with Trump.

01:07:14.080 But Jeffy's on board with all the other stuff, but you do not bash Lester Holt in Jeffy's world.

01:07:20.140 You're not going to have a few words about that.

01:07:21.820 888-727-BECK.

01:07:25.940 Pat's doing Jeffy.

01:07:27.980 For Glenn this week, we have an interesting guest coming up in a few minutes who is about to hopefully debunk some widely held beliefs.

01:07:36.580 And one of them is by my wife.

01:07:39.640 And I want him to call her because...

01:07:42.200 The main reason this interview is happening is so that you can easily debunk your wife.

01:07:47.020 Yes.

01:07:48.460 Exactly right.

01:07:50.820 It's going to be great.

01:07:51.640 Aaron E. Carroll, he's, you know, you may have seen his stuff online.

01:07:55.700 He has a big YouTube channel.

01:07:56.760 Also writes for the New York Times.

01:07:58.520 And he wrote a book called The Bad Food Bible, which goes through a lot of myths about, you know, everywhere you look online now, is someone sharing some scary claim about something that doesn't seem all that bad.

01:08:11.920 And you're supposed to, you know, you're never supposed to have any salt.

01:08:14.520 And you're, you know, gluten free tomorrow.

01:08:17.980 Oh, a lot.

01:08:18.460 Salt is going to kill you.

01:08:19.720 Yeah.

01:08:20.060 And you go through all this.

01:08:21.140 He goes through all of it with the science.

01:08:22.680 It's what we actually know.

01:08:24.220 And a lot of this stuff winds up not being true at all.

01:08:26.780 It's amazing.

01:08:27.160 Or there's a little tiny hint in one study.

01:08:30.020 But, you know, 20 other studies prove the opposite.

01:08:32.360 And there's no reason to believe that one study is right.

01:08:34.800 Or, you know, there was a hint at one point about this thing being bad.

01:08:37.860 But since then, they've run other studies and proved the opposite.

01:08:41.300 That's why I've lived my life, Stu, under the guise of everything in moderation.

01:08:46.060 That would be a guise for you.

01:08:47.620 That's a good word.

01:08:48.700 The guise of everything in moderation.

01:08:53.720 Thank you.

01:08:55.180 So this is going to be pretty interesting.

01:08:56.580 And, you know, I think so many people get locked up in this stuff, especially with social media,

01:09:01.600 where you feel everything's evil.

01:09:03.180 Everything you eat is going to kill you.

01:09:04.720 And you end up not enjoying life like you should be able to.

01:09:08.240 So we're going to go into that coming up with Aaron Carroll after the break.

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01:09:25.580 I don't know about you, but probably we all got about a week to live.

01:09:35.100 That's how I...

01:09:35.980 Yeah, oh man.

01:09:36.660 I was on Pinterest yesterday, and everything on Pinterest tells me that I'm going to die next week.

01:09:41.920 All of it kills you.

01:09:42.920 Everything on it kills you.

01:09:44.080 All foods will kill you very soon.

01:09:46.580 Bananas?

01:09:47.500 Deadly.

01:09:47.920 Oh, deadly.

01:09:48.600 Deadly.

01:09:48.920 Everything is.

01:09:49.500 Oh, man.

01:09:49.800 What is the deal with bananas lately?

01:09:51.320 It's the worst food you can eat.

01:09:52.780 What?

01:09:53.240 It does seem...

01:09:53.520 Bananas?

01:09:54.380 Yeah.

01:09:54.740 Are the worst food I can eat?

01:09:56.040 No, I can think of, I don't know, pork rinds.

01:09:58.520 That's got to be worse for me, doesn't it?

01:10:00.380 Kale has to be.

01:10:02.440 Kale has to be.

01:10:03.520 Well, see, I don't eat that, though, so that's not the worst thing for me.

01:10:06.120 Okay, okay.

01:10:06.420 Kale is definitely deadly.

01:10:07.480 It's inedible.

01:10:07.920 Unconfirmed by science.

01:10:08.880 That's inedible.

01:10:09.700 One of the interesting things we're dealing with in kind of this social media world is

01:10:13.600 people like to take a real scientific study, which might be really conclusive or maybe not,

01:10:19.700 pull out one kind of scary thing out of it and blow it up into a very scary-sounding

01:10:24.760 article or tweet or Pinterest post.

01:10:27.480 That, of course, scares the hell out of everyone and gets shared wildly because, you know, you're

01:10:32.400 trying to protect your friends' lives.

01:10:34.580 Yeah.

01:10:34.660 And this phenomenon is building upon itself, and I actually think it's worse than what

01:10:39.760 we say.

01:10:40.160 We complain about fake news and politics or something like that.

01:10:42.740 You hear those complaints all the time.

01:10:43.880 I think it's much worse when it comes to health stuff because it's not partisan, and there's

01:10:47.520 not really anyone on the other side pushing back, at least when Democrats and Republicans

01:10:52.120 go back and forth at each other.

01:10:54.500 There's at least an argument there so you can at least look at, I don't know, two sides

01:10:58.440 of the issue, no matter how nonsensical they are.

01:11:01.400 With health stuff, it's just scary or nothing.

01:11:04.660 For the most part.

01:11:05.780 One person who actually does push back on that is Aaron E. Carroll.

01:11:09.520 He's a professor of pediatrics at Indiana University School of Medicine.

01:11:13.200 He's got the incidentaleconomist.com, also has a great YouTube channel called Healthcare

01:11:19.540 Triage, and he joins us now.

01:11:21.720 Aaron, how are you?

01:11:22.920 I'm good.

01:11:23.320 How are you?

01:11:23.920 Really good.

01:11:24.640 Really good.

01:11:25.000 Really appreciated your story about the latest scary, scary study about the risks of alcohol.

01:11:34.720 Seemingly everywhere that I saw it reported, it meant that the only safe level of alcohol

01:11:40.400 was none.

01:11:42.140 And if you have any, you're really putting yourself in danger.

01:11:45.060 What does the study actually say?

01:11:47.260 So, I mean, that absolutely was the take-home message, and that's what the news said.

01:11:51.460 So, and I think that if you read the study, I think that there are authors of the study

01:11:55.840 that might actually vocalize that and say it, but that is not what the study actually

01:12:00.300 showed.

01:12:00.720 So, first of all, it's important to understand this was not a new trial.

01:12:03.860 This is not like they did some randomized controlled trial study where they gave some people alcohol

01:12:09.060 and some people not and saw what happened.

01:12:10.800 This is just what we call meta-analysis, which means that, once again, they sort of gather

01:12:14.440 up all the research that's already out there and just put it in a big pile and analyze

01:12:19.320 it again and again and again to see if they can get anything new out of it.

01:12:23.900 And when you do that, you get statistical significance because you keep adding data, but it doesn't

01:12:30.000 necessarily change the outcome or how bad things are.

01:12:33.520 And so, what they found was that, you know, they can say like, okay, look, we're looking

01:12:37.760 at 23 different harms that might come from alcohol, and we're looking at 28 million people

01:12:43.020 in studies, and we could detect that even at one drink a day, there's a statistically significant

01:12:49.420 risk.

01:12:50.580 And, of course, then they say, well, then anything greater than zero is bad.

01:12:53.040 But the first thing to understand is, one, this is observational data.

01:12:56.460 They can't control for things.

01:12:58.680 And that's important because people who drink tend to sometimes be different than people

01:13:03.360 who don't drink.

01:13:04.260 People who drink often smoke.

01:13:06.280 Smoking is terrible for you.

01:13:07.440 People who drink are often poorer than other people, especially when they drink a lot.

01:13:11.100 And that, of course, has health implications.

01:13:13.020 And people who drink might live in different areas or drive differently or all kinds of things

01:13:18.320 can be related, and they can't control for any of that.

01:13:20.640 But even if we accept all of it, the actual numbers are much less scary than the headlines

01:13:26.620 would have you believe.

01:13:27.620 So even they, in the study, say that for every 100,000 people who have one drink a day,

01:13:34.700 918 might experience one of these 23 health effects in a year.

01:13:39.140 So right off the bat, 918 out of 100,000 is not that much.

01:13:42.800 But then they have to acknowledge that of 100,000 people who don't drink, 914 of them are going

01:13:48.540 to have a significant outcome, a significant health problem.

01:13:51.360 So that means that of the 100,000 people who might drink, 99,082 of them are unaffected.

01:13:58.680 914 of them are going to have a health problem no matter what they do.

01:14:01.980 Only 4 out of 100,000 people might have a health-related problem that's related to alcohol.

01:14:08.740 And that's a might.

01:14:09.800 That's not a definite proof that's causal.

01:14:11.960 It's a maybe.

01:14:12.540 4 out of 100,000 is unbelievably small compared to almost anything else you might do every day.

01:14:19.500 And even at 2 drinks per day, that 914 only goes up to 977.

01:14:23.980 Even at 5 drinks per day, it's still less than 1,300, which means still that 99% of people

01:14:29.800 almost who drink 5 drinks a day, which I think all of us can agree is probably too much, still

01:14:36.160 don't have a health-related effect.

01:14:38.200 So getting people all panicked about this is sort of done by sleight of hand or by arguing

01:14:44.760 that the relative risk or how much your risk might increase is much more important than

01:14:50.820 the absolute risk, which is really what we should care about.

01:14:53.460 Yeah, because I mean, I thought looking at the study and the way you explain it, which

01:14:56.520 is great, 4 out of 100,000, that gives you a cost-benefit analysis in a way where you could

01:15:01.760 say, I would have honestly guessed that drinking alcohol was worse for my health than that level.

01:15:08.800 It was almost encouraging me to go to the bar, which I know is not what you intended.

01:15:13.780 But it's interesting, and you brought a term to my attention that I think would be a great

01:15:19.340 thing to become a lot more popular, which is the number needed to harm.

01:15:23.080 Can you kind of explain what that means and how it applies here?

01:15:26.380 Well, there's two sides of that coin.

01:15:27.940 And so one of the things we always talk about is number needed to treat, number needed to

01:15:31.120 harm, and they're both sides of that.

01:15:32.800 But we can absolutely focus on the harm.

01:15:34.900 So this is what's important, is that people don't get, is that harms happen often whether

01:15:41.120 or not you get the actual thing that we're worried about.

01:15:44.660 So that's what I was trying to talk about when I say, look, 918 people who drink a drink

01:15:49.800 a day have a harm.

01:15:51.340 But 914 people who don't drink every day have a harm.

01:15:54.860 So you can't just look at the people of harm.

01:15:56.680 What we have to care about is the people who would change based upon whether or not they

01:16:02.100 get the alcohol.

01:16:03.000 And so if only 4 out of 100,000 people get the harm because of the alcohol, in other

01:16:09.240 words, not just that they got a harm, but we can absolutely say it's because of the alcohol,

01:16:12.420 then that means that the number needed to harm is 25,000 people, which means that we have

01:16:18.420 to give a drink a day to 25,000 people to get one of them to experience a harm because

01:16:25.780 of the alcohol.

01:16:27.260 And too often when we talk about health stuff, we only focus on the harm and how many people

01:16:31.260 are harmed.

01:16:31.840 But it's how much how many people are harmed because of the alcohol.

01:16:34.500 One out of 25,000 is unbelievably small.

01:16:36.940 And I feel like this stuff really is happening so often.

01:16:44.380 People just don't understand risk.

01:16:46.540 They take everything in absolutes.

01:16:49.380 And I feel like with social media in particular, it really scares the hell out of people to live

01:16:54.620 a life that they want to live.

01:16:56.020 And I feel like that's a really bad outcome.

01:16:58.360 Do you see that?

01:16:58.980 Well, absolutely.

01:17:00.720 I mean, I think that we're trying to scare people with food, but I think there's another

01:17:06.260 side of that coin is, you know, you get people who all will swear on the benefits of certain

01:17:10.620 diets and food, too, when those benefits are almost just as small as the harms I'm talking

01:17:15.460 about here.

01:17:16.680 You know, people swear by if you go gluten-free or if you avoid, you know, like there's like

01:17:20.920 no evidence for any of that stuff.

01:17:22.660 And even if there is a benefit, it is, again, so small that it's inconsequential in most people's

01:17:28.300 lives.

01:17:29.120 And with the harm, I think what also people seem to forget is that, you know, one, there's

01:17:35.240 sometimes a cost to these, there's an economic cost to these kinds of avoidance or these kinds

01:17:40.360 of seeking out certain kinds of food.

01:17:41.860 But there's also a quality of life lost.

01:17:44.960 Some people like to have a drink every day, and it is perfectly rational to accept, even

01:17:50.320 if it is true, a four in 100,000 chance if the quality of life that they are gaining

01:17:56.140 from eating or having that drink is greater than whatever harm they might be having.

01:18:00.500 That is rational.

01:18:01.980 But too often, I think when it comes to health studies, we think that there's, we're all

01:18:06.960 supposed to live forever and that there's some magic to this, that we should avoid all

01:18:11.180 harms no matter what.

01:18:12.440 Even if we're sacrificing happiness or money or quality of life, we have to be able to judge

01:18:19.080 whether or not these kinds of risk avoidances are worth it.

01:18:22.620 Aaron, you brought up gluten a minute ago.

01:18:25.240 That is one of the fads that is so prevalent now.

01:18:30.300 So many people I know and have seen and talked to are on gluten-free diets, and a lot of them

01:18:36.680 aren't even allergic to gluten.

01:18:39.060 In fact, very few people are actually gluten intolerant, and yet everybody's on this bandwagon

01:18:46.480 now.

01:18:46.820 How did that start?

01:18:48.180 Well, first of all, we should acknowledge some people who have celiac disease, which

01:18:53.660 is an immunological response.

01:18:54.720 That's a different thing.

01:18:55.960 Absolutely avoid gluten, but that's maybe 1% of the population in the United States.

01:19:00.340 If that.

01:19:01.000 People who have a wheat allergy and therefore avoiding gluten because they're allergic to

01:19:05.140 wheat, yeah, might benefit from avoiding gluten because that's less than 1% of the population.

01:19:10.240 It's the other 23, 24% of the population who don't have either of those two things but are

01:19:15.620 avoiding gluten for whatever reason that are doing it again in a way that actually might

01:19:21.700 be providing more harm to their lives than good.

01:19:24.300 So a lot of them will claim that they're gluten intolerant or there's some vague clinical

01:19:28.480 syndrome that's doing this, but there have been really good randomized controlled trials

01:19:32.780 trying to find these people, trying to test whether secretly eliminating gluten from their

01:19:37.580 diet makes them better.

01:19:39.000 And those studies show that it doesn't, one, the people who think they're gluten intolerant

01:19:43.060 don't meet the clinical criteria for it.

01:19:45.580 And even when they do, being secretly put on gluten-free diets doesn't make a difference

01:19:49.740 in their health, in which case, why are you doing this?

01:19:52.420 Gluten-free foods cost more.

01:19:54.220 Gluten-free foods often are less nutritionally good by whatever sort of people would measure.

01:20:00.060 We spent like, in the United States, I think it's like a billion or two on gluten-free dog

01:20:04.720 food or pet food in the last year or two.

01:20:06.600 I mean, this has really just gone too far.

01:20:08.160 It's the panic du jour.

01:20:11.500 It's what we've decided to focus on and say it's a problem.

01:20:14.840 We've been eating gluten for tens of thousands of years, and the human race is doing just

01:20:20.880 fine.

01:20:21.980 It's not some magic thing that people have all of a sudden figured out.

01:20:26.440 Now, I will say, if by going gluten-free, people eat less processed food, stop eating so

01:20:32.060 much bread, or somehow change their diets in such a way that they lose weight and they feel

01:20:36.760 better, great, but don't think it's gluten and don't sort of proselytize and tell everyone

01:20:41.160 else that they have to eat like you eat.

01:20:43.560 There's nothing really to fear from gluten in that respect.

01:20:46.280 You know, I just read an article a couple of weeks ago that the headline was, there is

01:20:52.660 no safe amount of bacon you can eat, including one piece, not one a day, one piece of bacon.

01:21:03.060 Was it serious?

01:21:04.020 Yes.

01:21:04.280 Was it serious?

01:21:04.680 Yes, it was serious.

01:21:05.440 Oh, my God.

01:21:05.920 I thought you were making a joke, because I, in a column I just wrote in this alcohol study,

01:21:09.160 I made this joke with dessert.

01:21:10.800 I was like, I can, there's no safe amount of dessert.

01:21:13.120 I bet I can make a joke, but that doesn't mean you should never eat dessert.

01:21:16.480 Okay.

01:21:16.880 Somebody was serious about that?

01:21:18.180 Yeah.

01:21:18.620 Yeah, yeah.

01:21:18.920 So, processed red meat is sort of the thing that the WHO, and which means that, you know,

01:21:26.400 the, whatever it is, the IRC, but the WHO declared to be absolutely a carcinogen.

01:21:31.080 Of course, you have to know that of the, like, I don't know, 1,200 things the WHO has ever

01:21:35.900 looked at to say whether or not it causes cancer, I think two of them, they said no.

01:21:41.780 Which means, basically, they can find a link to cancer with anything.

01:21:46.220 Jeez.

01:21:46.820 Of course, that doesn't mean you should have none of it.

01:21:49.280 We know that the sun causes cancer in huge amounts.

01:21:51.780 That doesn't mean you don't go outside.

01:21:54.140 You just have to be careful.

01:21:55.500 Now, with bacon, this is another one of those where it's the relative risks and everything

01:21:59.740 else.

01:22:00.260 So, even the studies that they can find are confounded and they have problems, but they

01:22:05.140 say for every extra serving of processed red meat that you would eat a day, let's use

01:22:10.020 bacon as an example.

01:22:11.140 For every extra serving of bacon a day, your overall cancer risk goes up in a lifetime,

01:22:16.000 I think, by 18%.

01:22:17.100 So, which means if I, you know, Aaron Carroll committed to eating three extra pieces of

01:22:20.980 bacon every day for the rest of my life, my relative risk of cancer might go up, and

01:22:26.080 I say might again, 18%, but that's relative risk.

01:22:28.880 Wow.

01:22:29.360 Okay.

01:22:29.600 If I go to, you know, the NIH and I plug in my statistics, and it really can't do that

01:22:35.560 until you're 50, but if I did and said I was 50, you know, my overall cancer risk

01:22:39.800 might, I think if I remember correctly when I did this once, it was like, let's say three

01:22:42.780 or 4%.

01:22:43.460 I can't remember the exact number, but it's not, you don't add 18, it just goes up 18

01:22:48.160 over three or 4%.

01:22:49.020 So, we'll go from like four to 4.4, which is an incredibly tiny amount.

01:22:54.500 And that's if I'm going to eat an extra three pieces of bacon every day for the rest of

01:22:59.480 my life, and I love bacon.

01:23:00.060 And who does that?

01:23:00.660 But I'm probably not going to do that.

01:23:02.060 Right.

01:23:02.480 You know, that's a lot of bacon.

01:23:03.780 They do make it seem like it actually does go up that 20% or that 30%.

01:23:08.220 Yeah.

01:23:08.560 That's a remarkable point.

01:23:10.280 Yeah.

01:23:10.580 It's just how people read it.

01:23:11.640 And again, if it goes from four to 4.4, again, that's a 0.4.

01:23:16.520 That means the number needed to harm is hundreds, which means that for every hundreds of people

01:23:23.060 that choose to eat three extra pieces of bacon a day, every one of them but one will be unaffected

01:23:29.480 and one of them may actually be affected.

01:23:32.540 So, even if you do it, it's still overall incredibly low risk.

01:23:37.100 And it's still less than the alcohol risk we talked about before.

01:23:39.480 We're talking to Aaron Carroll.

01:23:40.360 He's the author of The Bad Food Bible, which goes over a lot of this stuff.

01:23:43.420 You should totally get that.

01:23:44.900 And we're through The New York Times as well.

01:23:46.900 We want to get to this, though, for sure, because this is going to change Pat's life,

01:23:49.840 if you could nail this one, Aaron.

01:23:50.920 Yes.

01:23:51.420 This is salt.

01:23:52.880 Now, Pat gets the look from his wife every time he puts salt on his food.

01:23:57.020 Every time I reach for the salt shaker, I get stink eye.

01:23:59.480 Right.

01:24:00.060 We got about a minute or so.

01:24:01.600 Can you give us a rundown on salt?

01:24:03.600 Yeah.

01:24:04.000 So, salt is one of those things.

01:24:05.220 Look, if you have super high blood pressure and you're consuming in a crazy exorbitant,

01:24:09.360 amount of salt, maybe you should cut back in it.

01:24:11.780 But the problem is that the vast majority of Americans are not consuming a crazy amount

01:24:15.780 of salt.

01:24:16.600 And a lot of the studies have shown that very low salt diets can actually be linked to as

01:24:22.420 much, if not more health problems, than high salt diets.

01:24:25.500 That eating a very low amount of salt is actually associated with a higher risk of heart attacks

01:24:30.660 and a higher risk of death than high salt diets.

01:24:32.440 But even then, most salt that you're eating is not coming out of the salt shaker than

01:24:36.180 what you're adding.

01:24:36.800 It's what's already in processed food.

01:24:38.260 If you're already thinking about it, you're making your own food at home, especially if

01:24:41.480 you're cooking, add as much salt almost as you want.

01:24:44.300 That's not where the sodium in people's diets are coming from.

01:24:46.920 But if you are not at high risk of heart attack and you seriously don't have high blood

01:24:51.060 pressure, there's not much evidence for avoiding, for the salt avoidance that everybody's

01:24:54.880 pushing.

01:24:55.040 Certainly not to the very, very, very low levels that the WHO, the FDA, and the American

01:25:01.400 Heart Association are pushing.

01:25:02.840 I need you to call my wife after the show.

01:25:05.160 I get the book.

01:25:06.220 I have a whole chapter on salt in the book.

01:25:08.140 A whole chapter.

01:25:08.780 Perfect.

01:25:09.280 It's the Bad Food Bible.

01:25:11.180 Aaron Carroll, his stuff is, you can get it at the New York Times as well as on YouTube

01:25:15.060 at Healthcare Triage.

01:25:16.080 It's great stuff.

01:25:17.100 And you can follow him on Twitter at Aaron E. Carroll.

01:25:19.700 Thanks so much for coming on the program.

01:25:21.500 Thank you.

01:25:22.120 All right.

01:25:22.720 Back in a second here.

01:25:23.780 888-727-BECK is the phone number.

01:25:28.100 Glenn Beck.

01:25:29.080 We didn't get to ask him about bananas, which I wanted to do.

01:25:32.340 Dang it.

01:25:33.340 Darn it.

01:25:33.820 Well, it does seem to be a jihad on bananas for some reason.

01:25:36.600 There's a weird jihad against bananas now.

01:25:40.040 Bananas could kill you.

01:25:41.340 There's no safe level of banana consumption that can avoid death.

01:25:47.480 Really?

01:25:48.600 If I eat a banana, I'm going to die?

01:25:51.180 Well, yeah.

01:25:51.940 In 60 years or so, you will.

01:25:54.580 But probably not any time quick because you just ate a banana.

01:25:58.700 And it so much depends on the other things you're doing in your life, right?

01:26:02.260 I mean, like if you are, as he pointed out in the alcohol study, they don't control for

01:26:06.580 smoking.

01:26:07.700 Well, you know, first of all, drinkers are more likely to smoke.

01:26:10.580 Like you said, yes.

01:26:11.360 You know, and certainly people who drink enough to be alcoholics on the chart, they show that

01:26:17.360 the actual study produces results up to 15 drinks a day.

01:26:21.460 Now, look, if you're having 15 drinks a day, yes, that is really bad.

01:26:27.100 You shouldn't do that.

01:26:27.720 But, you know, someone who's drinking 15 drinks a day is not only drinking 15 drinks a day,

01:26:32.860 probably can't hold down a job, probably can't afford health insurance.

01:26:37.040 So there's other unhealthy things going on?

01:26:38.720 Probably is on drugs, too.

01:26:40.620 Okay.

01:26:40.940 I mean, there's all probably gets in their car after five drinks and drives it to the

01:26:45.240 bar.

01:26:45.860 There's all sorts of terrible things that they're involved in.

01:26:48.120 Interesting concept.

01:26:48.660 Yeah.

01:26:48.840 I feel like that is something that the media has completely dropped the ball on, which is

01:26:54.300 just explaining what risk means.

01:26:57.220 You know, I think it's a completely rational stance.

01:26:59.380 Because they like the hysteria.

01:27:00.540 Because they like the hysteria.

01:27:01.320 They like the clicks.

01:27:02.820 But, I mean, think about this.

01:27:03.660 If someone said to you, let's say the science is perfect, and someone said to you, you can

01:27:07.340 have bacon every single day, which does anyone, I mean, I know Jeffy eats, you know, his

01:27:12.800 share.

01:27:14.100 But, I mean, not every day.

01:27:15.620 You don't eat bacon every day.

01:27:16.800 I mean, bacon every day.

01:27:17.620 It's not a pound of it, anyway.

01:27:19.440 It feels like a thing from the 50s, right?

01:27:21.000 Where you'd wake up every morning, and you'd have eggs and bacon.

01:27:23.800 Like, who has time to have bacon every day?

01:27:26.460 Not at all.

01:27:26.840 That's what you have the wife for.

01:27:28.340 But if you were told to have bacon every day, and you had it every day, and you were

01:27:33.220 told the risk for that was a 0.4% increase in your chance of cancer.

01:27:38.260 I'm having bacon every day.

01:27:39.360 Every day.

01:27:39.960 It's really rational to make a determination that, hey, it's worth it.

01:27:43.580 I really enjoy bacon.

01:27:44.620 I'm going to have it every day, and a 0.4% increase.

01:27:47.800 I'll take the risk.

01:27:49.120 And I think that's completely rational.

01:27:50.500 We do it all the time.

01:27:51.580 When we get in cars, we all know there's a risk that we're going to get to die when we

01:27:55.240 get in the cars.

01:27:55.640 Planes, cars.

01:27:55.980 Planes, cars.

01:27:56.720 Everything.

01:27:57.340 And we say, you know what?

01:27:58.360 Worth the risk to go to work every day because we're going to help our family and blah, blah,

01:28:02.080 blah.

01:28:02.720 It's a totally rational way of thinking about it.

01:28:05.280 But that rationality never enters into the way the media covers science and health.

01:28:11.540 And I think it really affects people's lives negatively.

01:28:14.460 This is why I'm having three pounds of red meat for every meal from now on.

01:28:18.060 This is the Glenn Beck Program.

01:28:27.120 With Pat, Stu, and Jeffy.

01:28:29.140 For Glenn, AAA-727-BECK.

01:28:32.320 It looks like the effort to silence people did not start this year.

01:28:42.380 They were talking about doing this.

01:28:45.320 They were talking about the process by which you would begin to, I don't know, curb the

01:28:51.880 internet and the expression of people's freedom of speech on the internet.

01:28:56.580 That started a while ago.

01:28:58.540 Yeah, this is pretty interesting.

01:29:00.200 Listen to this clip.

01:29:01.220 It's from Barack Obama several years ago.

01:29:04.140 I want to say it's 2011, but it does not say it in this article.

01:29:06.980 I looked it up earlier, and we've been kind of sitting on this for a few days from when

01:29:11.340 sort of the Alex Jones thing was really going crazy.

01:29:15.220 Again, put Alex Jones back.

01:29:17.440 Put him back where he was.

01:29:18.720 Thank you.

01:29:19.100 You know, is he crazy?

01:29:20.880 Yes.

01:29:22.120 Does he like trans porn?

01:29:23.920 Yes.

01:29:24.520 It looks like he does.

01:29:25.300 It does seem like he likes it.

01:29:25.880 It does seem like he does.

01:29:27.140 He's a fan.

01:29:28.060 So what?

01:29:30.860 But to Jeffy, that makes him even more appealing.

01:29:35.340 Am I right?

01:29:36.400 So, but we can decide for ourselves if the guy is telling the truth, if he's making stuff

01:29:42.120 up out of whole cloth.

01:29:43.280 Give us a little credit.

01:29:44.500 Put him back on.

01:29:45.360 Yeah.

01:29:45.740 Stop silencing people.

01:29:47.000 Yeah, just let him speak and let him make an idiot of himself in front of everyone.

01:29:50.220 I mean, that's one of the best things about our society is that we have free speech

01:29:53.620 enough so that you can make a moron out of yourself in front of people.

01:29:56.440 Right.

01:29:56.880 There's nothing wrong with that.

01:29:58.060 And I think we need to get over it.

01:29:59.600 The idea that you're going to be able to control things like that is, I think.

01:30:03.580 But they desperately want to.

01:30:05.060 They're showing us that right now.

01:30:06.440 They want to.

01:30:07.420 And we've been seeing that, I think, for a long time.

01:30:09.540 So listen to this.

01:30:10.620 I mean, I think you can look at this and say, is it, let me put it by you guys.

01:30:14.240 Is this innocuous?

01:30:15.600 Is this just Barack Obama saying, hey, we got to get people to, you know, to be more

01:30:19.400 accurate?

01:30:20.320 Or is this.

01:30:20.900 Or is this foreshadowing?

01:30:21.920 It's kind of a foreshadowing of what we've seen recently with these big companies kind

01:30:26.300 of cracking down on speech that they don't, they don't like.

01:30:30.640 Here it is, Barack Obama talking about truth on the internet.

01:30:34.180 Look, I mean, this takes us a little bit far afield, but I do think that it's relevant

01:30:43.540 to the scientific community.

01:30:45.140 It's relevant to our democracy, citizenship.

01:30:47.360 We don't have a democracy.

01:30:50.480 We're going to have to rebuild within this wild, wild west of information flow some sort

01:30:57.780 of curating function that people agree to.

01:31:00.560 Oh, what people?

01:31:02.880 Huh?

01:31:03.040 You know, I use the analogy in politics.

01:31:05.000 It used to be there were three television stations and Walter Cronkite's on there and

01:31:09.480 not everybody agreed.

01:31:12.880 And there were always outliers who thought that it was all propaganda and we didn't really

01:31:17.200 land on the moon and Elvis is still alive and so forth.

01:31:21.200 But generally that was in, you know, the papers that you bought at the supermarket, right, as

01:31:27.940 you were checking out.

01:31:28.660 And generally people trusted a basic body of information.

01:31:35.100 It wasn't always as democratic as it should have been.

01:31:39.480 And Zoe is exactly right that, for example, on something like climate change, we've actually

01:31:44.480 been doing some interesting initiatives where we're essentially deputizing citizens with handheld

01:31:51.940 technologies to start recording information that then gets pooled.

01:31:55.540 becoming scientists without getting the Ph.D.

01:31:57.580 And we can do that in a lot of other fields as well.

01:32:00.420 But there has to be, I think, some sort of way in which we can sort through information that passes

01:32:09.340 some basic...

01:32:11.340 Oh, it has to pass a basic truthiness test.

01:32:16.020 Truthiness test.

01:32:17.720 And those that we have to discard because they just don't have any basis in anything that's

01:32:25.580 actually happening in the world.

01:32:27.280 And that's hard to do.

01:32:29.960 But I think it's going to be necessary.

01:32:32.340 It's going to be possible.

01:32:33.160 I think the answer is obviously not censorship, but it's creating places where people can

01:32:42.280 say, this is reliable.

01:32:44.580 And I'm still able to argue about, safely about facts and what we should do about it while still

01:32:55.160 not just making stuff up.

01:32:58.000 Huh.

01:32:59.160 And who is it that is the arbiter of truth then?

01:33:03.680 Well, the truthiness lord.

01:33:05.460 Okay.

01:33:06.120 Have we appointed a truthiness czar yet?

01:33:09.000 It's possible.

01:33:10.120 Coming soon to a country near you.

01:33:11.720 That's absolutely foreshadowing what's going on right now.

01:33:16.320 Took them a while to get to it, but they're doing it now.

01:33:18.920 Because it is.

01:33:19.460 Again, it's not coming through the government, as he kind of points out there.

01:33:22.140 He's not talking about government censorship.

01:33:24.360 Right.

01:33:24.620 But the censorship is sort of coming, you know, at other levels from large companies that

01:33:30.200 many people from the administration are on the boards of.

01:33:32.840 I mean, they've picked people to go out and record and find truthiness.

01:33:38.300 It's a weird part of that, too.

01:33:39.100 We're deputizing citizens to go record things on climate change.

01:33:42.680 A little chilling.

01:33:43.480 Yeah.

01:33:43.780 And look, I think you can look at that and say, he's correct that this problem exists.

01:33:48.380 Right.

01:33:48.540 There is a problem with people.

01:33:49.920 We just talked about it with health information, where that stuff gets completely massacred

01:33:57.160 when it goes through the media cycle.

01:33:59.400 It's not even close to what this study actually says.

01:34:01.920 And we've seen so many examples of that.

01:34:04.940 That's up to us to figure out.

01:34:06.500 Yeah.

01:34:07.020 I mean, that's kind of up to us.

01:34:08.160 I feel really hesitant to get...

01:34:09.340 Me, too.

01:34:09.940 To get, I don't know, the government involved in that stuff.

01:34:12.940 I think our founders were, too.

01:34:15.020 They really kind of made a big deal about government staying out of speech matters.

01:34:19.940 Yeah.

01:34:20.300 I mean, that was the big deal, right, when the printing press...

01:34:23.020 You know, we had the printing press, and people were just printing whatever the heck

01:34:25.780 they wanted to print.

01:34:26.960 I mean, that was the first set of lies, right?

01:34:29.240 I mean, they could print...

01:34:30.000 You just print whatever you want.

01:34:31.220 Yeah.

01:34:31.620 Glenn, I was...

01:34:32.140 It's okay.

01:34:32.880 There's one...

01:34:33.300 I can't remember which one it is.

01:34:34.520 There's some founding father that wrote about the freedom of speech and how far it goes.

01:34:39.560 It's okay.

01:34:40.560 It's okay.

01:34:40.880 They intended it to the point that the press could print things that they maliciously

01:34:46.660 know are false and are using only to hurt the person, and it's still protected by the

01:34:51.860 first amendment.

01:34:52.480 That's how far they wanted it to go.

01:34:54.060 Good.

01:34:54.580 Wow.

01:34:54.800 And, you know, so government has, to me, zero role when it comes to free speech, but...

01:35:02.940 They don't believe that.

01:35:03.880 Yeah, they don't.

01:35:05.140 In our democracy.

01:35:06.340 And it's interesting, because what you have is a bunch of people, and this probably goes

01:35:09.440 both ways, but it certainly does on the left, where you have people who, if they had their

01:35:14.620 druthers, would use the government to suppress certain types of speech, and then they leave

01:35:20.240 the government, and they go serve on the board of Google, right?

01:35:23.500 And, you know, the thing Trump tweeted the other day about Google censoring him does not

01:35:28.500 seem to be accurate, but still, there is...

01:35:31.960 Certainly with the Alex Joneses of the world, you see real censorship of somebody on these

01:35:37.440 platforms, and it's a big part of his business.

01:35:39.760 I want his business to fail, but for other reasons.

01:35:42.080 I don't want it to be because other businesses have decided to target the guy.

01:35:45.220 And since we call it something else, since it's not, we're not calling it censorship,

01:35:49.220 we're just, well, it's the algorithm change.

01:35:52.140 Sorry.

01:35:53.640 Sorry.

01:35:54.420 Yeah.

01:35:55.060 And we've given these private businesses a pass on squelching freedom of speech, because

01:36:02.240 they're private businesses.

01:36:03.600 It's not being done by the government.

01:36:05.080 However, right or wrong, they made an agreement with the government that they will not be held

01:36:11.640 liable for certain things that happen on their platform.

01:36:15.620 Like, if there's terrorist threats on Facebook or Twitter, you're not going to go to Facebook

01:36:19.900 and Twitter and charge them with a terrorist threat.

01:36:23.840 But in order to have that protection, they have to remain impartial.

01:36:30.300 They can't be biased.

01:36:31.280 They can't take a side and be this political arm.

01:36:36.760 And yet they have.

01:36:38.540 So they're kind of violating that sort of arrangement with the government protections.

01:36:46.260 So you either take away the government protection and say, OK, you're going to be held liable because

01:36:50.660 you're not playing by the rules that were set up for this.

01:36:53.840 Yeah.

01:36:53.920 And I think, you know, or you stop taking people off who you disagree with.

01:36:58.400 And this is why they've been careful when they've taken Alex Jones off to talk about

01:37:01.340 his harassing behavior, to talk about other things he's done, not about his political

01:37:07.840 views, which currently target largely.

01:37:11.680 Well, really, anybody but Trump.

01:37:13.480 Right.

01:37:13.660 I mean, he still targets anybody Republicans all the time.

01:37:16.520 Yeah.

01:37:16.920 The guy's not a conservative.

01:37:18.320 No, of course not.

01:37:18.900 I mean, if you go back to the idea, you know, back in 2003 and four and when this guy was

01:37:23.680 becoming well known as the father of the 9-11 conspiracy theory, you know, you remember

01:37:29.340 that, you know, he started that conspiracy theory against George W. Bush.

01:37:34.500 And he still to this day, you know, we were just talking about the other day when he was

01:37:37.520 trying to give a eulogy to John McCain and it was like, I'm going to take the high road

01:37:41.500 here.

01:37:42.040 But, you know, McCain was a traitor with the Bushes.

01:37:45.280 I should have been court martial.

01:37:47.280 But, you know, at some level, I guess he was courageous or, you know, I guess you could

01:37:51.280 put a quote hero tag on him or whatever.

01:37:53.540 But yeah, he should have gone to prison.

01:37:54.720 All right.

01:37:54.940 Back in a minute.

01:37:55.460 When he was doing that whole thing the other day, you see that he still he still railed against

01:37:59.640 the Bushes in there.

01:38:02.020 Now, you know, because he's seen now as a right wing figure because of his attachment to

01:38:08.340 Trump rather than his attachment to Cynthia McKinney, which was who he was hanging out

01:38:13.960 with back in the day, you know, a woman who ran for party in the president of the Green

01:38:19.300 as a Green Party nominee.

01:38:20.740 And this is not a conservative by any means because it's got he's not a conservative, right?

01:38:26.500 Blatantly not a conservative.

01:38:28.280 But so they don't put it in terms of politics to try to avoid those things.

01:38:33.000 But, you know, if this does continue, you know, and the pattern is more and more clear,

01:38:38.340 there will be investigations by the government on on these companies and they will look

01:38:43.180 to take these protections away and they can't operate without them.

01:38:45.920 They can't.

01:38:46.820 I mean, you know, it would be, you know, Facebook and Twitter would go to jail.

01:38:50.560 There's companies would be shut down.

01:38:52.100 They'd be right.

01:38:52.580 I mean, there's probably no do what they do.

01:38:54.900 There's probably no corporation, no company in America that if you give them responsibility

01:39:00.580 for all the posters, has has has issued more terrorist threats than Twitter.

01:39:07.240 Probably no one has posted more porn and probably much of it illegal than Twitter.

01:39:12.720 Right.

01:39:13.280 But because it's user based, they get these exemptions, which they should have.

01:39:17.800 It's just that, you know, you have to be super careful.

01:39:22.020 You're not trying to put some agenda down people's throats with it or you will lose those protections.

01:39:25.640 And Republicans already are looking at them to try to take it away.

01:39:28.340 I know Cruz has brought it up and several others.

01:39:30.620 Yes, he has.

01:39:31.540 So it's an interesting direction they're going here.

01:39:33.980 But it's interesting to look back at Obama, kind of talk about that seems like kind of

01:39:38.420 a generalized blueprint of how this would be put together.

01:39:42.440 Yeah.

01:39:42.480 Like, you know, like there's certain tests you have to pass.

01:39:46.000 And I know, look, we've said this a million times.

01:39:48.300 Alex Jones passes none of those tests.

01:39:50.240 He is on the air saying things that are false every single day throughout the entire show.

01:39:54.500 But somehow we noodled that out for ourselves without their help.

01:39:58.740 We got that.

01:39:59.640 We got that.

01:40:00.120 A long time ago.

01:40:01.240 OK, I wasn't a 9-11 truther for one second at any time ever.

01:40:06.300 And he's the father of that movement.

01:40:08.200 And we've noodled all of that stuff out.

01:40:10.980 OK, and he noodled out the fact that this is a CIA FBI substation.

01:40:17.500 Well, the whole Glenn Beck operation is a CIA FBI substation.

01:40:24.240 Well, just like much of the information that Alex gets is from high-level people.

01:40:28.980 Well, yes.

01:40:29.540 So, I mean, I'm sure he got his information about this building from high levels.

01:40:36.580 Should he name names?

01:40:38.160 Should he name names?

01:40:39.100 He should.

01:40:40.100 That's from a very interesting rant about Glenn from Alex Jones.

01:40:45.380 So good.

01:40:46.180 I mean, if you're a fan of his, take a look at what he's said about Glenn.

01:40:49.940 And it's amazing.

01:40:51.660 However, they came for Alex Jones.

01:40:54.160 And I did nothing because I didn't like Alex Jones.

01:40:57.540 They're coming for the rest of us, too.

01:40:59.820 And this will be one of their first stops.

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01:41:26.780 I don't know what that is in Alaska.

01:41:28.360 It's earlier.

01:41:30.340 9.15 at night.

01:41:31.580 Noodle it out, yeah.

01:41:32.640 Yeah, something like that.

01:41:33.960 So that's coming up as well.

01:41:36.680 Are you as confused as I am over this Puerto Rico story that came out the last couple days?

01:41:43.360 Yeah, from the standpoint that I don't understand how you go from a death toll of 64 to, no,

01:41:48.680 it was about 3,000.

01:41:50.280 2,975, that's a wide disparity.

01:41:54.840 Yes, it is.

01:41:55.620 Yeah, really wide.

01:41:57.260 How'd that happen?

01:41:58.000 Now, my understanding of the thing that was just released is similar in some ways to the

01:42:03.320 earlier high death toll that came out in which they're not actually saying, okay, Pat reported

01:42:09.500 that his cousin died and therefore we know they died, right?

01:42:12.760 It's not that.

01:42:13.920 They're looking at it and saying, okay, here's the normal amount of people who would have died

01:42:18.220 in this period and here's the total amount of people and what we're seeing is an excess

01:42:23.320 amount, right?

01:42:24.500 Like there's an excess amount of people died than would have normally been expected and

01:42:29.420 so they're blaming those deaths on the hurricane.

01:42:32.160 So it's not that they just found everybody or recounted.

01:42:37.220 No, it's like they're saying, okay, normally 100 people die and this time 3,975 people die.

01:42:42.640 So, you know, we're saying, okay, or, you know, you get the point.

01:42:46.520 An excess, they're saying excess deaths and because of that, they're saying-

01:42:51.200 I didn't realize that was the process.

01:42:52.920 To me right now, that still seems fake, right?

01:42:56.600 Yeah, it does.

01:42:57.080 Not to say that, because there's also, I will say the government estimate has to be fake.

01:43:00.580 There's no way only 60 people died in this thing.

01:43:02.360 There's no way.

01:43:03.480 It was way too devastating and there's just no chance of this occurring.

01:43:07.720 But usually when people die, there is a way to know, which is they're not moving anymore

01:43:13.880 and someone around them says, hey, you know that person I used to know?

01:43:17.720 They're dead.

01:43:18.380 Like there's usually a way to check us out.

01:43:20.340 Somebody didn't show up for work today.

01:43:21.920 Right.

01:43:22.320 It was Bob.

01:43:22.980 People start looking, right?

01:43:24.320 Well, despite the total number, we know whose fault it is.

01:43:28.120 Donald Trump.

01:43:28.940 That is certainly what the media is telling us.

01:43:30.820 And I don't know if that's true.

01:43:31.840 I don't think it is.

01:43:33.780 That does not feel right either.

01:43:35.640 I mean, it's easy to blame the president every time there's a disaster.

01:43:38.080 They did the same thing with Bush and Katrina.

01:43:40.100 You know, that's common.

01:43:42.240 But what the hell happened?

01:43:44.360 It did not work.

01:43:45.280 Whatever they tried down there did not work.

01:43:46.680 No, it did not.

01:43:47.500 It seems like there's a lot of problems locally in Puerto Rico as well.

01:43:50.940 Mm-hmm.

01:43:51.700 You know, but it doesn't seem possible that something, you know, these are United States citizens.

01:43:56.760 Right.

01:43:57.040 3,000 of them dead from a hurricane?

01:43:59.440 It seems bizarre.

01:44:02.600 Glenn, back.

01:44:04.600 Mercury.

01:44:06.000 Yeah.

01:44:06.940 Yeah.

01:44:07.800 Yeah.

01:44:08.300 Yeah.

01:44:08.360 Yeah.

01:44:08.860 Yeah.

01:44:09.300 Yeah.

01:44:09.360 Yeah.

01:44:10.400 Yeah.

01:44:10.700 Yeah.

01:44:10.780 Yeah.

01:44:12.080 Yeah.

01:44:13.320 Yeah.

01:44:14.360 Yeah.

01:44:15.880 Yeah.

01:44:16.540 Yeah.

01:44:16.820 Yeah.

01:44:17.520 Yeah.

01:44:17.920 Yeah.

01:44:19.420 Yeah.

01:44:21.440 Yeah.

01:44:23.060 Yeah.

01:44:34.380 Manhoodle.

01:44:34.620 Yeah.

01:44:34.860 I don't know.

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