The Glenn Beck Program - Can Trump Legally Send Troops to Chicago？

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00:03:03.520 Hello, America. Welcome to the Glenn Beck Program. We're glad you're here.

00:03:06.720 There's a lot to talk about today.

00:03:08.520 I want to start with some questions.

00:03:10.900 Do the ends justify the means?

00:03:13.700 And what can be done?

00:03:17.560 What can be done?

00:03:18.520 You know, there's a story out today about how Ronald Reagan wanted to get rid of all of the ballistic missiles.

00:03:27.460 And he suggested it.

00:03:29.000 And it was, I think, Cap Weinberger's idea.

00:03:32.280 And then everybody dismantled it because that can't be done, that can't be done, that can't be done.

00:03:36.280 I think it could have.

00:03:37.260 Whether it was a good idea or a bad idea, I don't know.

00:03:40.020 But it could have been done.

00:03:43.120 But nobody wanted to think out of the box.

00:03:45.300 It's okay to think out of the box.

00:03:49.360 I want to be somebody who is looking at the situations, dealing with what we have.

00:03:54.780 But we have gerrymandering.

00:03:57.300 What's the right thing to do there?

00:03:59.000 We have crime in our cities.

00:04:01.240 The president wants to send in troops to other cities.

00:04:04.480 What's the best idea there?

00:04:06.380 He also wants to start taking stock for bailouts.

00:04:11.900 And the CHIPS Act is one of those things.

00:04:14.400 And we'll talk about that.

00:04:16.180 What's the right thing to do there?

00:04:18.700 We'll talk about all these things coming up in 60 seconds.

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00:05:41.340 Well, hello, America.

00:05:43.240 So, this weekend, let me start with a couple of cuts here.

00:05:47.640 Let me start with Vice President Vance over the weekend on crime.

00:05:55.680 Let's go cut one.

00:05:56.700 Just to echo something the president said about crime in Washington, D.C., this is the

00:06:01.860 national capital of the greatest nation in the world, and we had murder rates just a

00:06:06.680 few weeks ago that rivaled some of the worst third-world cities anywhere, even in very,

00:06:11.900 very poor regions of the world.

00:06:13.900 Why did we accept that?

00:06:15.420 Why did we allow it to happen?

00:06:16.700 We allowed it to happen because we had broken leadership in Washington, D.C., and unfortunately

00:06:20.880 sitting behind the resolute desk.

00:06:22.180 What we have shown in just under two weeks of taking law enforcement seriously is that

00:06:27.480 the American people can have their streets back if their leadership is willing to put

00:06:31.680 in the time and the resources.

00:06:32.980 Mr. President, you've shown in Washington, D.C. that we can have safe streets again.

00:06:37.880 We've just got to have the political willpower to focus on the bad guys and to give the American

00:06:42.920 people back their communities.

00:06:44.340 We are focused on doing that.

00:06:45.800 Thanks to the president's leadership.

00:06:48.040 Okay, now that is really important.

00:06:50.020 There is one phrase in there that is so critical, and I just want you to file it away, and that

00:06:54.080 is, we just need to take law enforcement seriously.

00:06:59.660 Law enforcement seriously.

00:07:03.200 Just file that away.

00:07:04.240 I'm going to come back to it here in just a second.

00:07:05.920 Now, here's what Donald Trump said about other cities.

00:07:09.960 Listen.

00:07:10.620 And after we do this, we'll go to another location and we'll make it safe also.

00:07:15.400 We're going to make our country very safe.

00:07:17.120 We're going to make our cities very, very safe.

00:07:19.840 Chicago is a mess.

00:07:20.800 You have an incompetent mayor, grossly incompetent, and we'll straighten that one out probably next.

00:07:26.340 That'll be our next one after this, and it won't even be tough.

00:07:31.160 And the people in Chicago, Mr. Vice President, are screaming for us to come.

00:07:36.400 They're wearing red hats, just like this one, but they're wearing red hats.

00:07:40.400 African-American ladies, beautiful ladies are saying, please, President Trump, come to Chicago.

00:07:47.960 Please.

00:07:49.160 I did great with the black vote, as you know, and they want something to happen.

00:07:54.260 So I think Chicago will be our next, and then we'll help with New York, and we're going to help with...

00:07:59.800 And I think, really, I think a lot of...

00:08:02.440 And a lot of these people that you see on television, they're including the people in this audience.

00:08:07.560 They'll say bad things about me, and then they'll say, thank God he's here.

00:08:11.000 Okay, so now the next after D.C. is going to be Chicago.

00:08:19.500 All right, I'm going to get to that here in just a second.

00:08:22.780 Now let me play the Chicago mayor and what the Chicago mayor said when he heard this from Donald Trump.

00:08:30.540 Here is the incompetent Chicago mayor, cut 13.

00:08:34.600 And so, you know, look, we're going to remain firm, we'll take legal action, but the people in this city are accustomed to rising up against tyranny.

00:08:45.080 And if that's necessary, I believe that the people of Chicago will stand firm alongside of me as I work every single day to protect the people of this city.

00:08:55.360 Okay.

00:08:56.900 I just want to ask you some questions.

00:09:02.600 Okay.

00:09:04.600 Let me start with a warning here, at least on the surface.

00:09:35.560 The president does not have a clear constitutional path to federalized police in Chicago or any other city outside of Washington, D.C.

00:09:45.000 It just doesn't.

00:09:45.820 Now, remember, I said a clear path.

00:09:48.940 Go back and think about what I was saying about J.D. Vance.

00:09:52.780 What did he say?

00:09:54.080 He said they just have to take law enforcement seriously.

00:09:57.980 I'm going to come back to this.

00:09:59.540 But Washington, D.C. is not a state.

00:10:02.000 It's a district.

00:10:02.760 It's a federal territory.

00:10:04.120 It is completely different than anything else in America.

00:10:08.160 And the founders designed it that way.

00:10:10.080 They didn't want the nation's capital dependent, you know, or held hostage by some state.

00:10:15.640 So this means that the president does have direct authority to bring federal law enforcement in to D.C., even the military, to patrol the streets for 30 days.

00:10:27.600 Then it requires Congress to act and pass a bill that says he can continue to do that.

00:10:34.620 And crime has gone down dramatically.

00:10:37.920 In 10 days, there hasn't been a single murder in Washington, D.C.

00:10:41.800 That's almost a parting of the Red Seas.

00:10:45.060 Okay?

00:10:47.080 So let's catalog this.

00:10:50.100 Washington, D.C. is different.

00:10:51.780 He has the right to do it.

00:10:53.180 And it's worked marvelously.

00:10:55.920 Okay?

00:10:56.040 Now let's go to the Constitution for a second.

00:10:59.440 The Constitution is very clear.

00:11:03.280 Policing is a state power.

00:11:06.020 It's a Tenth Amendment right.

00:11:08.300 Okay?

00:11:09.040 The federal government cannot police our streets.

00:11:13.000 Now, the president has some tools.

00:11:16.800 One, the Insurrection Act of 1807.

00:11:21.480 What is that?

00:11:23.020 I think this is what the president is thinking.

00:11:26.540 That law allows the commander-in-chief to send troops into a state without the governor's permission if there's an actual insurrection.

00:11:36.420 Now, what does an insurrection mean?

00:11:37.920 That means, now hear me clearly, if laws are being openly defied on a mass scale or if constitutional rights are being stripped away.

00:11:53.040 Hmm.

00:11:54.920 Okay.

00:11:56.340 Constitutional rights being stripped away, that takes us to Johnson, the civil rights era.

00:12:01.880 It takes us to Kennedy.

00:12:04.100 The Los Angeles riots in 1992, that's how George W. Bush did it.

00:12:11.560 Civil rights.

00:12:13.040 But these were extraordinary events, right?

00:12:15.860 Gang murders, do they meet this constitutional threshold?

00:12:25.560 I'm not sure.

00:12:28.180 Here's why.

00:12:29.140 Aren't laws being openly defied on a mass scale in our cities, especially sanctuary cities?

00:12:41.540 Aren't our laws being openly defied on a mass scale?

00:12:46.960 Now, this is something a court is going to decide, because believe me, it's going to go to court.

00:12:53.160 But I think that's where the president is landing.

00:12:57.420 Now, my responsibility is to tell you the truth.

00:13:11.780 Not to make you feel better, not to be on somebody's side, but to tell you what I think the truth is.

00:13:19.080 You may disagree with my opinion, but my opinion means nothing if I don't tell you what I believe is the right thing, what I believe is the wrong thing, and what I believe the truth is.

00:13:31.180 Let me go a little deeper into the Constitution.

00:13:34.440 We have Posse Comitatus.

00:13:35.900 That's the Act of 1878, and it was written precisely to keep the government, federal government, from sending in the army or the military to become a domestic police force.

00:13:48.580 It can't.

00:13:50.260 Why?

00:13:50.780 Because even by the late, you know, or mid-1800s, the country still remembered the Redcoats.

00:14:02.160 They also still remembered during the Civil War, and people were tired of having the government in their cities by this time.

00:14:15.820 So, Posse Comitatus came around.

00:14:18.600 Why?

00:14:20.780 Our founders fought a revolution to rid themselves of a government that used soldiers to enforce its will on its own people.

00:14:27.720 They weren't using the police.

00:14:31.280 They were using soldiers.

00:14:33.180 That's why Alexander Hamilton, who actually believed in a very strong government, still warned of the dangers of a standing army.

00:14:40.500 That's why up until World War II, we didn't have a standing army.

00:14:45.360 Jefferson, Madison, Hamilton, all of them terrified of a standing army.

00:14:51.360 Because once you give the president a precedent to send troops into one city for crime, where does it end?

00:15:01.160 Now, you could say, well, it ends with this president.

00:15:03.940 He's going to do it the right way.

00:15:05.320 But the reason we have laws is not for the exception of the good guy.

00:15:12.560 We have it for all the bad guys that will follow.

00:15:16.880 You might think that it's okay for Donald Trump because I don't think Donald Trump is a fascist.

00:15:23.460 I don't think Donald Trump will abuse this.

00:15:25.720 I think he will quash crime.

00:15:28.580 However, what's going to stop the next president that's not your guy from doing something where you're like, wait a minute, wait a minute.

00:15:37.080 You can't send in the troops to do that.

00:15:40.260 Well, yeah, you can because you already made the exception.

00:15:45.800 You send somebody into your neighborhood next time or to a protest or to a school board meeting that gets out of hand.

00:15:52.780 But what do you do if you don't have the Constitution to rely on?

00:15:59.900 This is what tyranny is.

00:16:02.020 And this is a slope to tyranny.

00:16:04.480 It doesn't mean that Donald Trump is a tyrant.

00:16:07.040 It means these are the things, these are the tools that allow tyrants to grab hold.

00:16:17.860 So we know what works.

00:16:21.540 What works?

00:16:23.520 Enforcing the laws.

00:16:25.560 That's what works.

00:16:26.960 Now, are they going to do it?

00:16:29.260 No.

00:16:30.240 Chicago's not going to do it.

00:16:31.420 You know, going after a small group of repeat offenders who drive most of the shootings, hotspot policing, putting resources in the most dangerous blocks instead of blanketing whole neighborhoods.

00:16:45.040 Those are the things that work.

00:16:47.160 Actually, actually going in and arresting and then sentencing to a real term in jail for real crimes.

00:16:56.180 That works.

00:16:57.160 You know, if you want to model for the president, Chicago has already done this once.

00:17:10.180 And the federal government did send in feds.

00:17:15.440 Chicago has always been a tough city because it's always been crime ridden in the city halls.

00:17:22.500 It's always been dirty.

00:17:25.480 So what happened?

00:17:27.160 Well, during Prohibition, there was a lot of people making an awful lot of money and they had money to spread around for every politician.

00:17:35.600 Everybody would just keep their mouths shut.

00:17:37.760 And the guy who was doing it was Al Capone.

00:17:41.500 Well, they didn't send in the army.

00:17:43.600 They could have, I guess.

00:17:45.740 You could have said, well, they're not enforcing the law in Chicago.

00:17:50.400 Look at what's happening.

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00:19:20.860 So how did the federal government deal with Al Capone?

00:19:25.000 Well, they didn't send in the army to fight horrible, horrible crime and corruption in that city.

00:19:31.600 They instead used their federal authority in areas where the feds had legitimate space.

00:19:38.640 Tax evasion, bootlegging, enforcing federal revenue laws.

00:19:43.120 They beat organized crime by staying inside of the Constitution.

00:19:48.140 And there are ways inside the Constitution for the president to do things.

00:19:53.260 Not soldiers in the streets, not a federal police force.

00:19:55.900 The president's duty is to protect and preserve and defend the Constitution of the United States.

00:20:03.160 Not to bend it because a city is in crisis.

00:20:06.140 Because once you break the Constitution to solve one problem, you unleash a hundred other problems down the line.

00:20:12.740 I don't know what the right answer is here.

00:20:17.640 I'm not a constitutional scholar.

00:20:19.400 I'm not an attorney.

00:20:20.540 But I would urge the president to make sure he is on strong constitutional founding or footing so he does not open doors for others.

00:20:31.040 The founders gave us federalism, that state power, local control.

00:20:35.560 And that is a balance and a check to federal authority.

00:20:40.660 And let me tell you, we don't have checks and balances anymore.

00:20:43.640 One of the last ones we have is a check on federal power by our state and local government.

00:20:49.460 So yes, by all means, clean up the streets.

00:20:52.820 You can send in ICE.

00:20:54.280 You can start arresting people who are breaking the law and who are not enforcing the law.

00:21:02.180 I think, and I think, you can do it constitutionally.

00:21:06.360 You have to do it through state and local authority, through community, through the communities, through federal agents enforcing the federal laws, but not occupying cities.

00:21:16.800 If we let that happen, we might stop the shootings in Chicago, but we will have lost something even more precious, the limits on government that keep all of us free.

00:21:33.020 Sometimes the Constitution sucks, doesn't it?

00:21:37.340 Sometimes it really sucks because it stops you from doing the right thing.

00:21:42.840 We all know how to stop crime in Chicago.

00:21:44.540 We all know.

00:21:45.680 We all know.

00:21:46.800 And we all know that it's not going to stop in Chicago.

00:21:49.980 It's not.

00:21:50.580 Because the system is so unbelievably corrupt.

00:21:55.380 How do you deal with the people who are living in Chicago that their kids are being shot, their kids are being killed?

00:22:01.040 What, do you just say, I can't do anything about it?

00:22:04.380 Is that what you do?

00:22:11.780 I want to get into next, I want to talk to you about gerrymandering.

00:22:15.260 Because gerrymandering is absolutely out of control.

00:22:20.760 The left has been doing this forever.

00:22:23.120 Now the right is jumping in and saying, hey, if you're going to do that.

00:22:27.120 And in that particular case, I think they're right.

00:22:29.820 That is the way the system is set up.

00:22:32.280 It is.

00:22:32.760 I don't like it.

00:22:34.500 I have a better idea, I think.

00:22:38.000 And, you know, unfortunately, the left is now starting to present Congress with better ideas.

00:22:44.040 And these better ideas are not better ideas.

00:22:47.400 So we better have a better idea on the table.

00:22:50.340 And that's all that President Trump, I think, is looking for.

00:22:55.280 I think he's looking for better ideas.

00:22:57.340 How do we stop this?

00:22:58.560 We all know it's a problem.

00:23:00.480 We all know you don't have to live that way.

00:23:02.780 He is proving it in Washington, D.C.

00:23:05.760 All you have to do is arrest people, try them, and put them in jail.

00:23:10.420 That's all you have to do.

00:23:11.600 That stops most crime.

00:23:13.800 What's so hard to figure out?

00:23:18.180 Well, that won't happen in Philadelphia.

00:23:20.960 It certainly won't happen in New York.

00:23:22.380 It won't happen in Chicago.

00:23:23.640 It won't happen in L.A.

00:23:24.700 Why?

00:23:25.680 Because of politics.

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00:25:14.820 So, we are, I want to switch gears to gerrymandering because here is a, here is another example of

00:25:22.000 what do we do?

00:25:23.660 What do we do?

00:25:24.400 Um, and Stu, you ran a poll over the weekend of, on gerrymandering that loved this.

00:25:31.860 Yeah, but my, I was thinking of where do we go from here?

00:25:35.200 So, if California does wind up passing, and there's still some steps for that to happen,

00:25:40.480 but to try to get five seats to respond to Texas's redistricting change, what should we do next?

00:25:48.500 The three options were, let it be, this is over, we each did tit for tat.

00:25:53.840 Number two.

00:25:54.660 Nope.

00:25:55.260 Number two.

00:25:56.460 We respond with one red state.

00:25:58.620 They did a blue state, we're going to do a red state.

00:26:00.700 Like, we just keep going.

00:26:02.520 No.

00:26:02.880 And then option number three was, max out all of our red states, let's just go for it right

00:26:07.540 now and cut the corn.

00:26:09.240 Well, you agree.

00:26:09.980 That is where I'm at.

00:26:10.700 You agreed with the audience.

00:26:11.620 That's where I'm at.

00:26:11.900 The results were, let it be 4%, respond in one red state, 2.2%, max out all red states,

00:26:19.240 93.8%.

00:26:20.960 Okay, so here's why I'm there.

00:26:24.080 Unlike the Chicago thing, which I think there are paths to fixing this and making Chicago

00:26:30.700 safe, I just want to be very clear, we must follow the Constitution.

00:26:38.240 There's a situation I want to fix, and I'm not sure we know how to fix it yet, because we

00:26:43.780 would be violating constitutional norms, and we cannot, we can't open that door.

00:26:48.320 However, gerrymandering is, I mean, that's been, that's been happening since like, you

00:26:54.180 know, 1815, named after Eldridge Gary, who was a signer of the Declaration of Independence

00:27:01.880 and I think the Constitution, and he started gerrymandering, you know, it's actually Eldridge

00:27:08.160 Jerry, and he started making things, and it was, it was named that because the district

00:27:13.960 that he made looked like a salamander, okay, and so he was gerrymandering.

00:27:19.420 Now, that has become norm, and it has become so obscene that places like Chicago, where I

00:27:28.480 think 40% of people vote in Illinois, 40% vote for the Republicans, but they only have

00:27:37.180 17% of, you know, of the, of the representation.

00:27:42.680 How is that possible?

00:27:43.980 How is that possible?

00:27:45.580 In Maryland, the president was talking to the governor and saying, hey, look, governor,

00:27:50.500 you got to clean stuff up, et cetera, et cetera.

00:27:52.820 And the governor responded to him with that, and the gerrymandering thing with, I might have

00:27:58.340 to gerrymander to make things more fair.

00:28:00.260 Currently, there's only one Republican that is in Congress from Maryland.

00:28:06.360 Now, I know there are Republicans that live, lots of them that live in Maryland.

00:28:12.380 How is it?

00:28:13.320 You're talking about getting rid of the only Republican?

00:28:17.340 This is out of control.

00:28:19.660 It's completely out of control.

00:28:21.380 The reason why the Democrats are upset is because the, the, the GOP has decided to do something

00:28:26.940 about it.

00:28:27.760 We're not going to put up with this anymore.

00:28:31.100 Now, is this the right way to do it?

00:28:35.520 I think so.

00:28:36.460 At this point, I think so.

00:28:38.060 Are there better ideas?

00:28:39.940 I do think so.

00:28:41.000 And I want to talk about that coming up in a minute, but I also want to, I want to make

00:28:44.680 sure that I mentioned Lee Zeldin.

00:28:46.260 He is our EPA administrator.

00:28:50.360 And he has done some remarkable work.

00:28:54.900 I just did an interview with him on Friday.

00:28:56.840 That was a podcast over the weekend.

00:28:58.500 And let me just give you a couple of things.

00:29:01.460 Let me just give you, cut 10 here.

00:29:03.360 This is Lee Zeldin from the EPA.

00:29:05.340 Listen to what this guy is doing.

00:29:07.260 So when we came in, the agency was at 16,155.

00:29:11.680 We've been going through reorganizations, reductions in force.

00:29:14.760 We're going down to 12 and a half.

00:29:16.900 So over the course of the first six months, we were able to reduce the size by 23%, which

00:29:23.480 aside from the over $29 billion of grants that we canceled, that's $750 million of annual

00:29:30.200 savings to the taxpayer.

00:29:32.060 And then we're also doing real estate consolidations.

00:29:35.360 We closed an EPA museum that nobody went to that cost a lot of money.

00:29:40.600 We're canceling media subscriptions that were overpriced.

00:29:43.680 There's just a lot of ways to save money.

00:29:47.820 But you're making enemies.

00:29:50.000 I've heard that there are 400 of your own employees that have turned on you and wrote some scathing

00:29:56.740 letter about how you're the Antichrist or whatever, and how you're going to kill the environment.

00:30:03.040 What is it like to be you to walk into an agency where you're not the most popular?

00:30:10.540 So here's the great news.

00:30:14.180 I would say that a large majority of the employees, a very large majority of the employees I've

00:30:21.440 interacted with, and I engage with the career employees every day here at headquarters.

00:30:26.480 I've been to 30 states.

00:30:28.180 So I've engaged with EPA across all 10 of our regions.

00:30:33.280 And they get it.

00:30:34.960 You do a career inside of a federal agency, 20, 30, 40 years, and you'll have very different

00:30:40.920 presidents from one administration to the next.

00:30:43.200 Sometimes it's a president you voted for.

00:30:45.740 Sometimes it's not.

00:30:47.820 To the point that you just raised, we also have exceptions.

00:30:50.520 And in this case, we had a letter that was drafted where agency employees, using their

00:30:58.920 title, written as agency employees, were providing their own very public opinion of where the

00:31:08.160 agency should go on policy, ignoring the will of the American public.

00:31:12.760 There's a reason why President Trump is now in the Oval Office, that I'm here in this position

00:31:18.160 after being confirmed by the Senate, you can't, as an employee in an agency doing a 20, 30,

00:31:24.380 40-year career, just always insist that whatever the policy and ideology is of the furthest

00:31:33.160 left president you support over the course of your term, that whatever they want during

00:31:39.340 those four, eight years, whatever they're pursuing is treated, etched in stone like it's

00:31:45.340 a commandment.

00:31:46.520 The pendulum will swing because the American public voted for it.

00:31:50.520 The American public doesn't want an electric vehicle mandate.

00:31:54.720 They don't want the coal plants to be shut.

00:31:56.760 They want more, they want energy dominance unleashed here in America.

00:32:01.740 They want to be able to create jobs.

00:32:03.500 They want us to be cognizant of their concerns.

00:32:05.240 I will tell you that, I wish we had the clip of where I said to him, you know, are you going

00:32:12.440 to be able to complete this in four years?

00:32:14.420 Because we talked about energy, how they are unleashing, unleashing energy in power plants

00:32:24.660 that are coal, that are gas, that are also nuclear.

00:32:29.380 The things that he talked to me about and how they are moving rapidly on that.

00:32:32.700 And then also the things that they are doing to get rid of some of the really, really,

00:32:40.040 really bad laws that were brought in by Barack Obama.

00:32:45.080 How he is erasing all of those barriers and returning this to a thing that where it's not

00:32:51.240 opposed to industry.

00:32:52.980 It's for the environment.

00:32:54.680 It wants to make sure we're all living by the rules.

00:32:57.060 We have clean air, clean water.

00:32:58.280 But it is also not against business.

00:33:02.020 It has, we have to have energy.

00:33:05.160 We must have energy to be a country that will survive.

00:33:10.360 He knows that.

00:33:11.480 When I asked him, how much can you get done?

00:33:14.260 Because I asked Donald Trump this question.

00:33:16.560 I said, can we get this done in four years?

00:33:17.980 He said, no, we need 12 years.

00:33:19.920 We need 12.

00:33:21.460 He said, hopefully, though, we will have a good replacement for me for another eight

00:33:25.940 years and we'll be able to do it.

00:33:27.580 But we have to really root this out all the way, 12 years.

00:33:33.260 Lee Zeldin told me, I thought we were going to need a lot more time.

00:33:37.200 He said, Glenn, I've got people on the inside, whistleblowers, who are on the inside going,

00:33:41.840 no, no, no, Lee, this, this, this, and this.

00:33:44.400 This is what they've been doing.

00:33:45.340 He said, I believe we will have the EPA fixed by early next year, fixed by early next year.

00:33:57.740 I found that astounding because that is, Stu, can you name an agency that is more out of

00:34:06.000 control than EPA, I mean, besides all of them, EPA?

00:34:09.960 I mean, look at what the EPA, the power of the EPA has.

00:34:13.320 Yeah, massive, massive power.

00:34:15.560 Now, it has been curbed recently with the Supreme Court, which does give you some hope that

00:34:21.340 his optimism is justified.

00:34:23.420 It feels more optimistic than I ever get about anything.

00:34:28.220 So I hope Lee is right on this.

00:34:30.440 You do?

00:34:31.280 He was, yeah, he was talking about how, you know, grants have been going through and they

00:34:36.140 were all just for NGOs and, you know, they were used for, you know, nefarious things.

00:34:41.100 He talked about how he has cut the regulation, cut the wait time on things.

00:34:49.120 He said, we can actually build things now and we're still going to have clean air and clean

00:34:53.260 water and we're going to have forests, et cetera, et cetera.

00:34:56.140 He said, but I'm just cutting all of the garbage out of here.

00:35:00.640 I was so optimistic when I heard that.

00:35:03.480 I mean, I think this administration, I mean, I don't know how they seem to get this many

00:35:12.360 good people, but he's got so many really good people who are really focused on the right

00:35:18.140 things.

00:35:18.680 I think they are cleaning up this deep state thing.

00:35:21.840 I feel too, Glenn, tell me if this is something that you've sensed at all.

00:35:25.360 I think Zeldin's doing a really good job, but I've been, you know, same way encouraged

00:35:32.180 by everything he's been doing.

00:35:34.300 You'll love him after you listen to the podcast.

00:35:36.460 You'll love him.

00:35:37.220 Go ahead.

00:35:37.900 I feel like there's a situation where sometimes the stuff that gets highly promoted is not

00:35:42.320 the stuff that winds up being the most successful or the thing you'll remember maybe 20 years

00:35:48.560 later.

00:35:49.460 We're like, you know, like maybe Doge is a good example of this, right?

00:35:52.120 Like there was a lot of hype around Doge.

00:35:54.180 They definitely got some stuff done, you know, but is that going to be as impactful as what

00:36:00.000 maybe is going on at the EPA?

00:36:03.620 I think maybe not, right?

00:36:05.380 I think at the end of the day, we might find out that the EPA is a much more significant

00:36:08.960 difference for the country in the long term than maybe all the stuff that was talked about

00:36:14.680 with Doge.

00:36:15.300 And, you know, there's a bunch of examples like this.

00:36:17.760 A lot of times the news focuses, you know, is it has you looking this way and there's a

00:36:21.740 bunch of people who are working really hard in agencies that don't make the headlines

00:36:25.620 that are really making the biggest difference.

00:36:28.780 So there were two things that happened with the Obama administration that we covered at

00:36:33.460 the time, but we didn't really stand on that had huge ramifications.

00:36:38.720 And one I think we're just starting to figure out now, and that is the propaganda rules, that

00:36:44.240 he changed the rules of propaganda, that we could do propaganda on the American people.

00:36:49.880 I know we talked about it.

00:36:51.740 I don't know why we didn't make a bigger deal out of it because now that seems like, oh,

00:36:56.420 well, that's how they're getting away with a lot of things.

00:36:59.480 That's where the office of, what is it, internet engagement or whatever that was called, you

00:37:05.080 know, where they were telling people what you can and can't say online.

00:37:09.040 All of that stems from that.

00:37:11.500 And when it comes to the EPA, the Obama endangerment finding, where they found that CO2 is dangerous

00:37:20.760 for life.

00:37:22.480 What?

00:37:23.720 No, it's not.

00:37:24.860 It's part of it.

00:37:26.540 It's part of it.

00:37:27.520 The trees breathe it in.

00:37:28.980 We breathe it out.

00:37:30.260 They breathe out oxygen.

00:37:31.900 We breathe out CO2.

00:37:33.880 We both grow because of those things.

00:37:36.000 And it's remarkable to me that, you know, the endangerment finding, do you remember standing

00:37:43.640 on that as hard as we did on like Obamacare and things like that?

00:37:46.660 I mean, I know we did not cover it as, you know, in as much time for sure.

00:37:53.320 I do remember being very, very angry about it and worried about it.

00:37:57.120 But again, it was one of those things that was just kind of set.

00:38:00.640 I mean, Obamacare was a law, right?

00:38:02.060 There was a chance to stop it.

00:38:03.240 In fact, we did stop it.

00:38:04.520 Really?

00:38:04.760 I mean, we stopped it when Scott Brown got elected in Massachusetts and then they did

00:38:09.300 it anyway.

00:38:10.840 So, you know, it was a law.

00:38:12.940 There was a much more buildup to that.

00:38:14.100 This was just them doing it.

00:38:15.460 I mean, once they got elected, we knew that they would take these types of steps.

00:38:20.020 But you're right.

00:38:20.880 We didn't.

00:38:21.500 It wasn't seen at the time as big a deal when it was.

00:38:26.180 That was a massive deal that has cost our country hundreds of billions of dollars at the

00:38:30.820 very least.

00:38:31.380 Yeah.

00:38:31.480 And now with Lee Zeldin taking it away and reversing that, it's just as big of a deal.

00:38:39.740 But you don't know it because I haven't heard at least a case of what the EPA is doing.

00:38:45.040 I haven't heard a full case of this.

00:38:47.160 Lee Zeldin, I mean, he lined it all out.

00:38:50.040 It's a great podcast.

00:38:51.280 It came out on Saturday.

00:38:52.280 You can find it wherever you get your podcasts.

00:38:55.440 But it is the podcast with Lee Zeldin.

00:38:58.160 All right.

00:38:58.400 Back in just a minute.

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00:43:30.860 Next, gerrymandering.

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00:47:47.880 Okay, gerrymandering.

00:47:49.580 Started by, Stu, can you look this up for me?

00:47:52.100 Is it Eldridge, Jerry, or Gary?

00:47:54.660 I always thought it was Eldridge Gary.

00:47:57.020 Yeah, you're remembering that, right?

00:47:58.260 Now that we've been talking about it, it is?

00:48:00.140 It is Eldridge Gary, yeah.

00:48:01.880 There's a weird quirk, basically, in American history, where his name was Eldridge Gary.

00:48:07.320 It was first called gerrymandering, essentially, in a newspaper at the time.

00:48:13.620 People read the newspaper, didn't know how to pronounce his name, started saying gerrymandering,

00:48:17.800 and that's what stuck.

00:48:18.880 So it's actually different than the way his name was pronounced, even though it was named

00:48:22.460 after him.

00:48:23.640 Yeah, well, that's why you spell your name G-A-R-Y, not G-E-R-R-Y.

00:48:29.380 I mean, hello.

00:48:30.260 Lesson learned.

00:48:31.880 Yes.

00:48:32.480 So gerrymandering is when a salamander-shaped district gave America a new word and a new really

00:48:40.740 bad habit.

00:48:41.820 Okay?

00:48:41.960 And we have perfected this really bad habit.

00:48:45.780 It started about 18, yeah, about 1818, 1815, someplace around there.

00:48:52.280 And it wasn't known as gerrymandering until the mid-1800s, when everybody was doing it.

00:48:59.160 Now, here's how bad it has gotten.

00:49:00.780 Today, in Massachusetts, one-third of the voters choose a Republican, but not one of the nine

00:49:09.320 House seats.

00:49:10.220 They can choose for president, but they one-third vote for Republicans, but because the way they

00:49:17.140 have the map set up, you don't get any House seats.

00:49:20.600 So a third of the population has zero representation.

00:49:23.620 And not because they didn't show up, but because the lines chose first.

00:49:30.280 In Illinois, pretty much the same situation.

00:49:34.240 47% of voters cast a ballot for Republicans in 2024.

00:49:42.400 47%.

00:49:43.040 Now, why do we all think that Illinois is so far left in Congress?

00:49:50.400 Why?

00:49:51.820 Because 47%, they didn't get their choice.

00:49:55.700 47% of the voters cast a ballot for Republicans in 2024, and they got 17% of the seats.

00:50:03.600 Now, that's magical.

00:50:06.500 There's some magical forces making that happen.

00:50:10.900 Okay?

00:50:11.440 Now you see competition, poof.

00:50:13.260 Now you don't.

00:50:15.920 Maryland.

00:50:16.440 The courts called OneMap an extreme partisan gerrymander.

00:50:23.000 Why?

00:50:24.420 Well, because there's only one Republican serving in Maryland.

00:50:29.820 Only one.

00:50:32.440 Now, how is that possible?

00:50:34.340 Because you know there are people that live in Maryland.

00:50:38.440 Only one of the House seats go to a Republican?

00:50:42.860 One?

00:50:43.340 One?

00:50:43.380 Come on.

00:50:46.220 Now, here's the latest.

00:50:49.340 The governor now says all options are on the table.

00:50:52.900 This is the governor of Maryland.

00:50:55.420 We just played this clip.

00:50:56.540 Can you play it again, please?

00:50:58.160 Are you actively looking at it now?

00:50:59.940 Yeah, because, and I think we have to.

00:51:02.420 Yes, and I think we have to.

00:51:04.300 Because I think what's happened is this is what people hate about politics in the first place.

00:51:07.540 The president of the United States, very similar to what he did in Georgia, where he called up a series of voter registrants and said, I need you to find me more votes.

00:51:16.040 We're watching the same thing now where he's calling up legislatures around the country and saying, I need you to find me more congressional districts.

00:51:21.760 He's doing it.

00:51:22.400 That may be different.

00:51:23.460 But Democrats redistrict.

00:51:25.180 You know this.

00:51:25.920 Yeah.

00:51:26.000 But Gavin Newsom's doing it right now.

00:51:27.660 A few years ago in New York, we saw this.

00:51:29.360 This can backfire.

00:51:30.380 Do you really want to go down this road?

00:51:32.340 I want to make sure that we have fair lines and fair seats where we don't have situations where politicians are choosing voters, but that voters actually have a chance to choose their elected officials.

00:51:42.700 We need to be able to have fair maps.

00:51:44.720 And we also need to make sure that if the president of the United States is putting his finger on the scale to try to manipulate elections because he knows that his policies cannot win in a ballot box.

00:51:54.820 If you if if you don't know anything about Maryland, you would be like, well, that's reasonable.

00:51:59.820 And most people don't know anything about Maryland.

00:52:02.340 Well, that's reasonable.

00:52:03.260 He just wants he just wants fair maps and fair lines.

00:52:06.180 OK, if you really wanted the people to pick, you wouldn't.

00:52:11.880 It's mathematically impossible in Illinois.

00:52:16.140 It's mathematically impossible in Massachusetts and in Maryland to have the representation for the GOP that they have.

00:52:28.180 It's mathematics.

00:52:29.160 Massachusetts has zero Republicans in the House.

00:52:33.880 Zero in the whole state.

00:52:35.840 Zero.

00:52:37.520 Maryland only has one.

00:52:39.880 And then he says, well, I might have to redistrict to get rid of the one one one place where where a Republican one.

00:52:48.360 And you want to redistrict that out of existence.

00:52:51.680 That doesn't seem fair to me.

00:52:54.880 Right.

00:52:56.280 OK.

00:52:58.280 This isn't a blue problem.

00:52:59.960 It's not a red problem.

00:53:01.080 It is a power problem.

00:53:03.480 And it has been happening almost since the founding of the country.

00:53:07.260 And it's got to stop.

00:53:08.320 Now, in 2019, the Supreme Court had a decision, said the courts are not going to interfere and they won't referee partisan gerrymandering.

00:53:18.620 Well, that was a message that was sent to everybody very clear.

00:53:23.900 Do what you do what you want.

00:53:25.620 Draw what you can.

00:53:26.680 Draw what you can get away with.

00:53:27.800 And so they did.

00:53:28.440 Now, in Texas, this all started because Texas, which, by the way, the the census, these are all based on the census or supposed they're supposed to be.

00:53:42.220 But for the very first time, the 2020 census was rigged and that it was not fair.

00:53:48.880 When you have Texas, think of this, just think, I just want you to think about this logically.

00:53:53.540 Texas in what was it, 2020, Texas in 2020 had lost people or had not gained any citizens.

00:54:10.300 What planet are you living in?

00:54:13.340 Texas is growing by leaps and bounds than it was in 2015, 2010.

00:54:18.660 You're telling me nothing, nothing, no new growth.

00:54:22.780 Wow, that's amazing.

00:54:25.980 So Texas is trying to correct this problem where they fix the census.

00:54:32.340 Okay.

00:54:33.440 Now, the left is shouting, outrage, this is crazy.

00:54:36.380 I can't believe they're doing it.

00:54:37.540 It's an arms race of hypocrisy.

00:54:39.580 It really is.

00:54:40.520 It really is.

00:54:41.360 Which one could launch the biggest hypocritical missile?

00:54:45.760 I'm not sure.

00:54:46.600 However, I can just tell you this ends, it ends where legitimacy ends.

00:54:56.160 When somebody will look up in one of these states and say, this is, and with real facts on their side.

00:55:06.140 That, that, that's not, that's not representative of me.

00:55:09.620 The House of Representatives, that's not representative of my district, of my state.

00:55:16.040 You can draw a district any way you want, you know, cut us all apart so you, you, you, you can't have a Republican in.

00:55:23.160 You've been doing that forever.

00:55:26.240 Here's the thing.

00:55:27.420 Safe seats.

00:55:28.780 That's what everybody wants.

00:55:29.780 A safe seat.

00:55:30.980 Safe seats do not create better leaders.

00:55:34.100 They create unaccountable leaders.

00:55:37.880 Let me say that again.

00:55:39.500 Safe seats do not create better leaders.

00:55:42.980 They create unaccountable leaders.

00:55:46.120 Because a safe seat doesn't reward persuasion.

00:55:52.580 You don't have to persuade anybody.

00:55:54.460 They reward purity tests.

00:55:58.200 This is why we have become so incredibly extreme.

00:56:04.820 It's why, everyone wonders why the center feels like it's collapsing, you know.

00:56:09.820 Every compromise feels like a betrayal.

00:56:12.440 Because you're not dealing with people.

00:56:14.920 You're dealing with people who are extremes, okay?

00:56:19.480 So what do we do?

00:56:21.120 Well, there's a couple of solutions.

00:56:23.580 One, independent map making.

00:56:25.380 Yeah, that's going to work.

00:56:27.580 Put the pens in the citizens' hands.

00:56:29.760 Oh, good.

00:56:32.080 Michigan, Arizona, California, they have shown independent or court-drawn maps reduce extremes and increase competition.

00:56:40.140 Okay.

00:56:41.640 Maybe.

00:56:43.240 California has an independent committee.

00:56:45.160 This was passed by the people voted for.

00:56:47.120 People were like, you know what?

00:56:48.160 We want fair districts.

00:56:50.880 Okay.

00:56:51.700 But at the first time of trouble, don't worry.

00:56:53.800 They'll violate that, as you're seeing with California.

00:56:57.640 You have the governor of California coming out, and we're going to redraw all of them.

00:57:00.440 It's because they don't care about the voices of the people in those districts.

00:57:05.220 They care about the Democrat voice in Congress.

00:57:09.560 So the governor's going around it.

00:57:11.320 And it'll only be stopped if the people of California stand up.

00:57:14.580 Are they going to?

00:57:15.500 I don't know.

00:57:16.000 Now, if we don't solve this at the local and state level, believe me, there are going to be people in Congress that want to change the rules, and the left is already working on it.

00:57:31.080 It's called the Fair Representation Act.

00:57:34.720 Stu, they already have an act.

00:57:37.400 It's the Fair Representation Act.

00:57:39.500 I like fair representation.

00:57:41.920 Right?

00:57:42.520 It's about representation, and it's going to be fair.

00:57:45.440 See what could go wrong with this.

00:57:47.140 They just reintroduced it this summer.

00:57:49.840 It would use independent commissions, multi-member districts, and ranked choice voting for the House.

00:57:59.220 Oh.

00:58:00.800 Ranked choice voting?

00:58:02.620 What could possibly go wrong with ranked choice voting?

00:58:06.180 Why is that a problem, Stu?

00:58:09.120 Well, currently, the Democrats really love ranked choice voting because it's benefited them, mostly.

00:58:14.640 And that's just a small part, of course, of that particular act.

00:58:22.160 But basically, unless the other team is smart enough to actually understand the rules of it, which so far the Republicans have not been,

00:58:32.860 they will nominate people that will split their own vote, and you'll wind up with someone who is not the majority candidate, one of winning the seat.

00:58:42.680 Yeah.

00:58:43.120 Really bad idea.

00:58:44.460 Really bad idea.

00:58:45.520 So may I make a suggestion on how we fix this?

00:58:49.500 And I would like to base this on Moses.

00:58:53.580 Moses already did this.

00:58:55.540 Okay?

00:58:56.140 He divided people in hundreds and fifties and tens.

00:58:59.960 Let me call it.

00:59:01.040 Let me just, I want you to think of the United States under one big tent.

00:59:06.140 Okay?

00:59:06.860 One big tent.

00:59:07.820 Let's say we look at the United States as a big block, and we want to put everybody under a tent, but we can't put them under one big, big tent.

00:59:19.520 So let's say we put them in tents of 100 or 1,000 or 5,000, and we think of the map as you have to have a tent over these people.

00:59:33.400 All right.

00:59:34.340 Well, I know we have four corners, and we put a stake in the ground, and those four corners, we build a tent.

00:59:42.200 And then we build a tent right next to that one that holds the same amount of people, and we put four stakes in the ground, and we build another tent.

00:59:50.900 In other words, each district has to have four straight lines, just like a tent.

00:59:59.180 It's just a box.

01:00:00.200 Okay?

01:00:00.340 It could be a rectangle.

01:00:01.480 However you want to design it, that is fine, but it is just a box.

01:00:06.880 And when that box becomes too full, you split it in half, and now it becomes two boxes, and you keep splitting them until there are more and more boxes.

01:00:18.620 The more the population grows, the more boxes there are.

01:00:22.380 Okay?

01:00:22.780 It's really easy.

01:00:24.360 Do you know what that would do?

01:00:25.740 It could mean that in some districts, a couple of apartment buildings, not snaked all the way around the city and into the countryside,

01:00:35.140 but a few apartment buildings in New York City, right in a four-block area, that might be a district.

01:00:45.680 What does that do?

01:00:46.880 That means the people who are representing the people in that apartment complex, that four-block area, he has to know that four-block area.

01:00:57.680 That's his deal.

01:00:58.800 He's not snaking around, going around everywhere else.

01:01:01.480 He knows those people.

01:01:04.080 He represents just those people, not people five blocks away, just maybe four blocks away, and four blocks in each direction.

01:01:13.940 That way you don't have these people who don't have any idea.

01:01:19.100 They don't look like you.

01:01:20.860 I mean, far as the way you vote, they don't look, vote like you do.

01:01:25.800 They don't, they're not some sort of foreigner from a different area of town.

01:01:33.480 They know what your issues are.

01:01:37.100 If we did that and we made everything in just squares, you would, you would localize much more in a much better way.

01:01:46.640 But you would also stop all the extremes, because unless everybody in that four-block radius is an extremist, an extremist isn't going to win.

01:01:57.700 An extremist Republican, an extremist Democrat, extremists aren't going to win, because most people aren't like that.

01:02:03.460 That's why the gerrymandering thing happens, because you can have people on one side of the street in one district, people on the other side of the street in another district, and then it snakes up four blocks, and then it turns, makes a hard left.

01:02:18.160 Then it goes straight up for another street.

01:02:20.440 Then there's a big bubble at the top of it where a whole bunch of blocks are included.

01:02:24.640 That makes no sense.

01:02:25.940 That's making a safe seat.

01:02:30.660 Again, safe seats do not reward anything.

01:02:43.780 They create extremism.

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01:04:20.540 Stu, we are dealing with so many weird things today.

01:04:30.340 We're dealing with the possibility, the president now saying, I'm going to go into Chicago and

01:04:35.460 then maybe LA and then maybe Baltimore and solve the crime problem.

01:04:40.660 I would say, let's hold on there.

01:04:44.040 Let's hold back the horses just a minute.

01:04:46.260 Let's find the constitutional way to do these things.

01:04:51.240 We have the left going crazy on gerrymandering.

01:04:55.580 Like crazy.

01:04:56.720 And I don't know if these states are going to stand up.

01:04:59.180 You think people in Maryland are going to stand up and go, hey, now, wait a minute.

01:05:02.000 We're not to California, Illinois.

01:05:05.100 Is anybody going to stand up?

01:05:06.100 Is there going to be any organized resistance to this that can actually stop it in the states?

01:05:11.880 It's interesting that the voters can do it in California, which is different than most

01:05:17.580 of these states.

01:05:18.180 The voters can just stand up and say no.

01:05:20.060 And the polling, polling by Gavin Newsom's people has said it's going to pass.

01:05:27.200 Independent polling has showed, at least at the beginning of this, that the California

01:05:32.240 voters opposed it.

01:05:33.620 They didn't want him to do this.

01:05:36.680 And now-

01:05:37.220 What's changed?

01:05:38.140 If that polling is right for Gavin Newsom, I'm not sure it is.

01:05:40.880 Yeah, I'm not sure.

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01:05:42.200 I don't trust him, obviously, at all or anyone who would associate with him, especially,

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01:05:55.880 But I will say, it is, I think, if he can successfully turn this into what Wes Moore was

01:06:04.780 attempting to do there, we're just trying to respond to them.

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01:06:25.780 Republicans will probably do pretty well in that scenario.

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01:07:53.740 Welcome to the Glenn Beck Program.

01:08:14.220 Stu, there's got to be a way to do, you know, a constitutional amendment where we get rid

01:08:20.100 of gerrymandering.

01:08:21.260 You know, I don't think the people in Washington will do it, and the party certainly won't

01:08:24.240 do it.

01:08:24.420 It has to be led by the people.

01:08:26.340 But just cut everything in squares.

01:08:29.140 Cut everything in squares.

01:08:30.700 Or even if you just did four straight lines.

01:08:33.920 Of any shape.

01:08:34.760 Four straight lines.

01:08:35.780 Go for it.

01:08:36.300 Four straight lines.

01:08:36.900 You want to try to gerrymander that?

01:08:37.920 You can.

01:08:38.640 You can do little parallelograms that will have a funky shape, and you can slice through

01:08:44.360 and do it a little bit.

01:08:45.260 You know, I don't think so.

01:08:46.860 I don't think so.

01:08:48.040 I think it should be squares.

01:08:49.960 I think it should be based on the numbers.

01:08:53.000 I don't know what the number needs to be in each tent.

01:08:55.440 But you have a square, and in that square, let's just say for, you know, purposes, it

01:09:01.960 would not be this number.

01:09:03.020 But let's just say there's 100 people, okay, in that square.

01:09:07.300 And when that square hits 101, you cut it in half.

01:09:12.560 And now there's two squares.

01:09:15.080 And when either one of those squares inside that square hit 101, you cut it in half again.

01:09:22.940 So there's always less than 100 in each square.

01:09:26.600 But you just keep making new districts in those squares.

01:09:31.580 Don't they have to be, though, the same size?

01:09:34.020 So you couldn't have a bunch of 100-seat districts and then a bunch of 50s?

01:09:41.320 Well, it would grow into 50.

01:09:45.400 Or it would grow into 100.

01:09:47.860 I mean, I don't know.

01:09:49.520 Maybe when it hits 200, you cut it so it's 100.

01:09:53.760 But again, then you're having 150.

01:09:55.780 I don't know.

01:09:57.860 But I just know I want the people closest around me to be in my voting district.

01:10:05.420 Because we're talking about the same things.

01:10:07.800 We're living under the same conditions.

01:10:10.560 And most likely, we know each other.

01:10:12.500 And so we'll pick somebody who's from our group.

01:10:15.900 I don't want somebody that is from miles and miles and miles and miles away because there's a snake that runs across the state.

01:10:26.960 What do you know about my neighborhood?

01:10:29.280 What do you know about my area?

01:10:30.440 And if you're forced to be in that box, however that box is, however big that box is, you might be miles away in that box.

01:10:38.880 But you at least have a better idea because you haven't been selected by one party or the other just to say the party things and to get the party in.

01:10:51.980 You know what I mean?

01:10:52.460 Sure.

01:10:54.480 And I mean, I think those are the two directions, right?

01:11:00.460 Like in theory, we could go to squares and straight lines and fairly drawn districts and people that live around you, which is quite clearly what the founders wanted, right?

01:11:11.020 That type of thing.

01:11:12.160 Or you could go the other direction, which is basically all out war.

01:11:17.000 And I think, you know, oddly, you necessarily come back and you say, OK, well, we don't want all out war.

01:11:24.080 That's not the right way to go.

01:11:25.060 In this case, it probably is.

01:11:26.800 It's probably the only pragmatic way to go, because if you stay with what we have now, which is Democrats heavily redistricting their states to their benefit, not to mention getting incredible benefits out of the most recent census that they should not have had, which is a whole nother problem that we really do need to address.

01:11:45.180 But you have those two things going on.

01:11:48.600 Well, I mean, Republicans are actually pretty well positioned in an all out war to do some positive damage on, you know, for the balance.

01:12:01.160 I mean, I think that because they're pretty much maxed out in those other states.

01:12:04.580 They're maxed out.

01:12:05.540 Like, as you point out, could you figure out a way to get rid of the one in Maryland?

01:12:08.960 Probably.

01:12:10.260 They'll find improvements, but every red state will find them as well.

01:12:14.340 I think The New York Times had a story last week basically warning Democrats, you know, of course, they weren't looking at it from a news perspective.

01:12:23.720 They were looking at it from a, hey, watch out, Democrats.

01:12:26.260 If you go all out here, Republicans are likely to add about seven seats.

01:12:32.320 So they don't they don't want that.

01:12:35.620 I know, of course, I would prefer it.

01:12:37.460 And you go into an election here and I think this is a this is a little bit off the beaten path of this particular story, but it's an interesting study in the way Trump version one and Trump version two are acting.

01:12:51.480 Trump version one.

01:12:53.660 We talked about this at the 2020 election.

01:12:55.520 There are lots of things, lots of signs, lots of rule changes, lots of important things that happened before the 2020 election occurred that the Trump administration did not act on.

01:13:06.800 I mean, Pennsylvania is a good example of it.

01:13:08.440 They basically changed the rules in a way that was not constitutional.

01:13:11.600 And Trump didn't sue until after he lost.

01:13:16.120 He wasn't out in front of those changes.

01:13:18.820 He wasn't saying, hey, I see what you're doing and we're going to stop it.

01:13:23.600 Trump 2.0, realizing that most sitting presidents lose the midterm elections in the House, usually they lose control, is out in front of this in advance and saying, number one, you guys kind of screwed us in this last sentence.

01:13:39.220 But number two, we can do something about this now.

01:13:43.460 Where can we go?

01:13:44.340 We can go to Texas.

01:13:45.220 We can get five seats there.

01:13:46.300 We can go to Indiana.

01:13:47.020 We can get a couple seats there.

01:13:48.200 Let's do our best to improve our chances going forward.

01:13:51.020 Now, I know a lot of people don't like those tactics, but when you're talking about strategy and pure politics here, it's not an afterthought.

01:13:59.920 It's not after we lose, what do we do?

01:14:02.180 It's, hey, let's prevent the loss in the first place.

01:14:05.000 And that is a massive change.

01:14:05.440 This is not changing the system.

01:14:06.700 This is just using the system the way it has been for almost 200 years.

01:14:13.240 You just use the system.

01:14:14.800 We've never, I mean, we've used it in some places, but not like the Democrats have used it.

01:14:19.720 No.

01:14:20.180 And so can we get better at it?

01:14:22.000 Yeah.

01:14:22.340 But you're already playing that game.

01:14:24.620 You're already playing that game.

01:14:26.120 Yeah.

01:14:26.500 So you're not compromising morally.

01:14:30.420 You're just playing the game that you're already playing better.

01:14:33.520 Yeah.

01:14:34.060 I was thinking about it in that, in relation to the way our legal system works, right?

01:14:39.080 Like you watch a defense attorney go up and he's defending this murderer.

01:14:45.500 And you know, he's a murderer.

01:14:47.680 Everyone knows he's a murderer.

01:14:48.800 He's on film murdering.

01:14:50.460 There's a lot of, he's writing online about all the murders he wants to commit.

01:14:54.700 There's a lot of murder going on in this guy's life.

01:14:56.880 And everyone knows he's a murderer.

01:14:58.740 And yet there, we, our system still says, give this guy an attorney and give him the

01:15:05.980 best possible defense, even though, you know, probably the attorney himself knows this guy

01:15:12.100 is a murdering murderer.

01:15:14.040 And we can kind of go, you know, we can go to this, the system we have now is like, well,

01:15:19.920 why don't we just let the, you know, the defense attorneys be honest about what they know,

01:15:23.960 right?

01:15:24.480 And like, let's have them kind of come out and admit that, yeah, their guy probably did

01:15:28.720 murder, but you know, let's, let's, uh, let's be nice to him or whatever.

01:15:33.040 That's kind of the way that, you know, the system kind of works now where everyone acts

01:15:37.780 as if they're not being a partisan when they're redistricting, you know, maybe the best system

01:15:44.620 is everyone goes as hard as they can on either side.

01:15:46.940 And we see what happens at the end, which is kind of what our legal system does.

01:15:50.580 It is, it is, I'm not sure that that would be the best thing, uh, for us to do because

01:15:58.140 we're a little, a little shaky right now.

01:16:01.460 You know, it's not the best thing, Glenn, but I think it might be the second best thing.

01:16:05.560 It's, it might be better than what we have.

01:16:08.520 That I think is the issue.

01:16:10.000 Yeah, it might be.

01:16:10.380 Can it be an improvement?

01:16:11.500 I don't love it.

01:16:12.580 You know, it doesn't make me feel like I don't want to necessarily walk out and, you know,

01:16:16.420 sing the Sour Spangled Banner and expect fireworks to go off because of this process.

01:16:21.320 It's an ugly political process.

01:16:23.440 But at the end of the day, we can't sit here and just get rolled over.

01:16:29.200 It's within the law.

01:16:30.720 The Supreme Court has ruled on this.

01:16:32.440 You can use politics to redistrict.

01:16:35.040 It's within, you know, the rules of the game.

01:16:37.560 And sometimes you just have to push those rules to the limit to get fairness, which is

01:16:42.960 a weird thing to say, but I think it is true in this case.

01:16:46.300 All right.

01:16:46.760 Let me go to Carl in North Carolina.

01:16:48.300 Hi, Carl.

01:16:50.660 Hey, Glenn.

01:16:52.200 As much as I like your proposal for redistricting and, well, in fact, I'd like nine-tenths of what

01:16:58.620 you say most of the time, here's one that thousands of people are getting pretty enthusiastic about.

01:17:03.960 And that is that we need to, we need 27 more state legislatures to finish ratifying what

01:17:10.600 was originally supposed to be our First Amendment.

01:17:13.840 And that's one representative for every 50,000 citizens.

01:17:17.900 And George Washington, having been a president, during that whole four months constitutional

01:17:23.800 convention, he was reluctant to speak up about anything.

01:17:27.240 But on the next to last day, he stood to speak passionately.

01:17:30.060 And he said he couldn't restrain himself anymore.

01:17:32.560 And that was one rep per 50,000.

01:17:35.920 And that's going to solve a lot of problems.

01:17:41.920 We'd have a lot of representatives.

01:17:44.800 Yes, over 1,600.

01:17:46.660 And they'll live in our small districts rather than up in the district of corruption.

01:17:53.260 I like that.

01:17:55.060 I like that.

01:17:55.700 Instead of building something, that breaks up the, that breaks up all of the, you know,

01:18:02.500 the, the groups that are up trying to convince everybody with money and dinners and everything

01:18:07.820 else that their way is the right way to vote.

01:18:11.220 Keep, yeah.

01:18:12.860 Special interests.

01:18:13.560 They won't be as tempted to be bribed.

01:18:16.220 There's just a, a, a half a dozen tremendous benefits that will result from that.

01:18:21.460 It was a pretty big movement, uh, in the nerd circles on this one, uh, you know, and I'm,

01:18:27.660 it seems like Carl, you might be part of that circle.

01:18:30.060 Uh, but it is, I think an interesting thing.

01:18:32.800 All right, Carl, I think I am too.

01:18:34.320 Yeah.

01:18:34.620 It's, it's like, uh, we look at it and we're like, oh, there's only, there's 435 now.

01:18:38.920 1,600 sounds like a lot, but does 1,600 representatives sound like a lot for 330 million people?

01:18:44.640 Doesn't really to me.

01:18:45.760 I mean, and you know.

01:18:46.740 And as long as you keep them at home, I really like that.

01:18:50.120 I really like that.

01:18:52.180 Um, because everything can be done from home.

01:18:54.360 It cuts down on so much, so much, you know, you're not in the halls of Congress.

01:18:59.880 You're closer to the people that, you know, voted for you and they can see when you're

01:19:03.320 going wrong quickly.

01:19:04.820 I really like that.

01:19:06.540 That's my favorite part of it.

01:19:07.880 Cause I think you could take, if you did 50,000 people, you know, uh, per district, you

01:19:12.060 can cut them in, you know, four straight lines.

01:19:15.220 Uh, and it's kind of the tent idea and your idea.

01:19:18.680 Um, but the, the best part of it is it keeps them all at home.

01:19:23.000 Like that.

01:19:24.500 Like that a lot.

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01:21:00.920 Stu, have you heard about, uh, Volkswagen now introducing a subscription in the UK to

01:21:23.580 increase the power of your electric car?

01:21:25.260 Hmm, it's, it's an interesting road to go down.

01:21:29.980 I know, I know.

01:21:31.720 I, I don't like it.

01:21:33.780 I don't like it.

01:21:34.440 Even though most people don't ever own their cars, I don't like the idea that I have to

01:21:40.420 rent options from you.

01:21:42.960 You know?

01:21:43.500 It's, it's, it's again, it goes back to, maybe it's just, maybe it's unreasonable, but it's,

01:21:48.040 uh, goes back to my, and you will own nothing.

01:21:51.360 Yeah.

01:21:51.840 And, and I, I guess you could maybe own the car, but not, you wouldn't own the performance.

01:21:55.980 You'd have to keep paying for that and they could turn it off if you don't pay and your

01:21:59.540 car is slower.

01:22:00.860 I mean, it's a, it's a weird concept.

01:22:02.880 It's sort of, I mean, some people just don't like it too.

01:22:05.100 It's, it's like that, one of those airlines that has the lower ticket prices, but you have

01:22:09.620 to pay for everything, right?

01:22:10.840 Like you have to pay for a carry on, you have to pay for every single little additional

01:22:15.040 option and, and people don't like that.

01:22:17.540 But there's a charm, I think, to being able to say, well, I rather would pay less and I

01:22:21.700 don't need it to go zero to 60 any faster.

01:22:24.160 Like, I mean, having that option for people who want it, I suppose, isn't bad.

01:22:27.620 It just would be nice.

01:22:28.680 Like, I know Tesla does a bunch of options like that, that you could upgrade, but they're

01:22:32.940 not like, as far as I understand, ongoing forever charges, like full self-driving, something

01:22:39.400 like, I don't know, $8,000, but you pay it.

01:22:41.460 And once you pay it, you have it.

01:22:43.860 You don't have to have it if you don't want the full self-driving, but you have to upgrade.

01:22:49.480 But I think there, you know, there's an option to do a monthly fee as well.

01:22:52.740 So, I don't know.

01:22:53.940 I mean, I do feel like the car is going to be a subscription at some point.

01:22:57.620 You're just going to be paying on it forever.

01:22:59.560 I don't like it.

01:23:00.400 We're an owner society.

01:23:01.920 I don't like it.

01:23:03.740 And I don't know.

01:23:04.460 And I, you know, I think it's a bad idea that Volkswagen is the one, you know, Volkswagen,

01:23:09.420 you should learn from your own history.

01:23:10.880 Subscriptions aren't really good for you guys.

01:23:13.260 I'm just saying.

01:23:14.920 You remember the subscription plan that Volkswagen had under, well, when they first started

01:23:20.200 and they were, you know, the people's wagon, the Volkswagen, yeah.

01:23:25.080 And it was the people's car and it was Hitler.

01:23:27.380 And he was like, you know, this is a people's car.

01:23:29.880 And you could, for five Reich marks, I think it was, you could buy a stamp and you'd get

01:23:37.760 a stamp and you'd fill out this little book with all the little stamps.

01:23:40.720 You could buy one a month.

01:23:42.320 And once you filled the book with stamps, you get a new car.

01:23:44.760 Guess what?

01:23:45.160 Guess what happened?

01:23:47.380 Nobody got the cars.

01:23:48.580 Nobody got the cars because he was not using it.

01:23:51.400 He wasn't building cars.

01:23:52.760 He was building tanks and airplanes and everything else.

01:23:56.000 And by the time the people figured it out, it's like, oh, and there is war.

01:24:00.560 And so they went to war and they sued and sued and sued and sued.

01:24:05.320 Because Volkswagen survived.

01:24:08.820 Volkswagen went to, I think, West Germany.

01:24:13.740 And, you know, they were picking up the pieces.

01:24:16.200 And they didn't get, the people didn't get their money back until like the 60s, I think.

01:24:20.160 They were like, could we get our car, Volkswagen?

01:24:22.440 And they're like, I don't know what you're saying.

01:24:24.360 It's a people's car.

01:24:25.460 What are you saying here?

01:24:28.320 Yeah.

01:24:29.060 So finally justice was done.

01:24:30.620 But Volkswagen, you might want to kind of think of those subscription things.

01:24:34.260 And maybe realize, they're not the best for you to bring up.

01:24:37.780 I'm just saying.

01:24:38.900 I'm just saying.

01:24:39.940 People always bring up that World War II thing.

01:24:42.560 You again with that World War II thing.

01:24:45.420 I know.

01:24:45.700 I know.

01:24:46.500 It's just.

01:24:47.060 I know.

01:24:47.880 All these companies, they just went out there and just did a lot of stuff that was questionable at that time.

01:24:53.760 And you just keep bringing it back up.

01:24:55.300 Yeah.

01:24:55.760 Like I.B. Farmer, which I think now is bear.

01:24:58.540 You know, they just made the Zyklon beat gas.

01:25:00.820 That's all they did.

01:25:01.620 What?

01:25:02.220 What?

01:25:02.460 You got to hold that over our head forever?

01:25:05.260 Yeah.

01:25:05.820 Kind of.

01:25:06.500 Kind of.

01:25:06.980 Yeah.

01:25:07.380 Kind of.

01:25:08.040 Yeah.

01:25:08.440 Yeah.

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01:27:59.620 I, uh, what?

01:28:02.120 I mean, I like the intent behind it.

01:28:08.000 I'm wildly uncomfortable with it.

01:28:10.340 And I want to think it through with you.

01:28:11.780 And Stu, maybe you can help me think this through.

01:28:13.820 We'll get to that here in just a second.

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01:29:35.860 So, Stu.

01:29:37.000 I'd love to open, openly embrace the, you know, on the surface, there's a new deal with Intel.

01:29:42.860 And it sounds really smart.

01:29:45.060 And it sounds like, yeah, that's the way we should do business.

01:29:47.540 It sounds capitalist.

01:29:50.660 Um, it sounds patriotic.

01:29:52.540 But then again, so did the Patriot Act.

01:29:54.860 So, here's what's happening.

01:29:56.820 Donald Trump is taking $8.9 billion, money already set aside by the CHIPS Act.

01:30:02.500 And instead of handing it to Intel as a grant, he bought stock in Intel.

01:30:09.200 Now, that sounds really smart.

01:30:12.220 Right?

01:30:12.860 Sounds like what a businessman would do.

01:30:14.540 Really smart.

01:30:15.880 I'm not going to just give them the money.

01:30:17.660 We'll invest.

01:30:18.940 And that way, we get some profits when they succeed.

01:30:23.320 So, we now own 10% of the company.

01:30:27.120 Non-voting shares.

01:30:28.900 We got a discount.

01:30:30.540 And we have $2 billion now worth of paper gains.

01:30:35.180 I love that.

01:30:36.520 Right?

01:30:36.920 It sounds really good.

01:30:38.360 But why aren't we running this place more like a business?

01:30:42.180 It's pro-capitalist.

01:30:43.840 Right?

01:30:44.520 No more government giveaways.

01:30:46.020 Taxpayers are investors.

01:30:48.020 And we benefit when Intel rebounds.

01:30:51.400 Okay.

01:30:51.680 Any other things?

01:30:55.080 Well, yeah.

01:30:55.980 It's really important for national security.

01:30:58.060 We're keeping chip manufacturing at home.

01:31:00.060 We stabilize the economy without running it.

01:31:03.340 We reassure the markets and attract other private investors.

01:31:07.120 On paper, it's really good.

01:31:08.900 It's clean.

01:31:09.560 It's efficient.

01:31:10.400 It's savvy.

01:31:13.320 Now, what is it that's bothering me?

01:31:18.540 Well, it's not exactly the American system.

01:31:22.860 In fact, it might be everything we're not supposed to do.

01:31:27.380 You know, we were never, the government was never supposed to use our taxpayer dollars to be a shareholder in private enterprise.

01:31:33.180 But, again, we're doing all kinds of things that we've already gone there, haven't we?

01:31:39.160 Hasn't the government picked winners and losers now forever?

01:31:44.700 Haven't they been wasting your money?

01:31:47.240 I'd rather, instead of a grant, I'd rather have it in stock so if we win, we win.

01:31:55.220 You know, we all win.

01:31:56.840 But that's actually the model of state capitalism in China.

01:32:02.540 It's not the free market in the United States.

01:32:05.600 Intel is vital, absolutely vital.

01:32:08.080 Chips are the lifeblood of anything that's going to happen for national security and our economy.

01:32:13.460 But we cannot get into the habit of, we can't normalize in any way Washington, D.C., buying stock in struggling companies.

01:32:23.680 You know, because what's next?

01:32:24.700 Ford?

01:32:25.680 Boeing?

01:32:27.100 How about your grocery stores?

01:32:28.680 I mean, that's Mom Donnie, isn't it?

01:32:30.200 And once that door opens, government no longer just regulates the market.

01:32:35.040 They own a piece of it.

01:32:36.820 Now, what happens after we own a piece of that?

01:32:40.460 So, in 2008, I had a big sponsor.

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01:32:50.120 We finally landed them.

01:32:51.620 And I had a good working relationship with them.

01:32:53.880 It was General Motors.

01:32:54.720 And then the government bailed them out in 2008.

01:33:03.000 And they promised it was temporary.

01:33:05.480 And I said, great.

01:33:07.140 Call me back once you've paid them off.

01:33:09.640 I don't like this.

01:33:10.940 The government should not be involved.

01:33:12.500 And they said, well, they're not going to be involved.

01:33:13.800 But they were because the first thing they did was they canceled the hydrogen car, something they really believed in right before the election.

01:33:21.860 I know because I was talking to them about it all the time.

01:33:25.020 And then after the election, Barack Obama cancels all hydrogen products.

01:33:29.700 And GM is like, yeah, that stupid hydrogen thing.

01:33:32.800 We're with them.

01:33:33.740 And the precedent was set.

01:33:36.480 And I was out.

01:33:37.880 I was out.

01:33:38.720 I canceled General Motors.

01:33:41.480 Stupid, stupid, stupid.

01:33:44.200 Business-wise, stupid.

01:33:45.660 Ethically, the right thing to do.

01:33:49.440 And ever since, whenever there's a crisis, that temptation is there.

01:33:53.460 Why not just buy a slice of the company?

01:33:55.620 Why not stabilize it?

01:33:56.720 Make a little profit on it.

01:33:58.840 And that's how you slip from capitalism to corporatism.

01:34:03.740 You know, free markets backed by government winners and losers.

01:34:07.720 You do not want to go down this road.

01:34:09.920 You know, when we are both the investor and the regulator, which one wins?

01:34:17.400 Come on, not a hard question to answer.

01:34:20.060 Which one wins?

01:34:21.160 Not the regulator.

01:34:22.900 The investor wins.

01:34:24.280 If the investor is also the regulator, look, if we do this, we're going to make a lot of money.

01:34:29.020 You're going to make a lot of money.

01:34:30.200 You'll have more money for all these projects you want.

01:34:32.400 Okay, all right.

01:34:33.740 Okay.

01:34:36.420 It's not.

01:34:38.020 The taxpayers aren't the one.

01:34:40.800 The company, the politicians.

01:34:43.080 Who really wins?

01:34:44.860 What happens when an administration leans on its own company?

01:34:49.760 For political purposes.

01:34:50.980 You know what?

01:34:51.440 I think you're going to get rid of that hydrogen car.

01:34:53.440 We love the hydrogen car.

01:34:55.080 You know what?

01:34:56.120 I think you're going to get rid of that hydrogen car.

01:34:58.380 We hate that hydrogen car.

01:35:00.460 Boy, we hate it.

01:35:01.420 Donald Trump looks at Intel losing $8.8 billion last year, lays off 20,000 workers, chokehold of Taiwan, South Korea on semiconductors.

01:35:15.300 He wants America protected.

01:35:17.440 He wants taxpayers to share in the upside.

01:35:20.080 He doesn't want just to bear the cost.

01:35:22.500 We should get the upside.

01:35:23.900 All of those things are good, right?

01:35:26.320 It's really tempting.

01:35:29.260 But is it what we are supposed to do?

01:35:31.680 Is it the right thing?

01:35:34.180 I don't like it when Washington holds stock certificates.

01:35:39.540 Not a good thing.

01:35:42.540 It should be reforming taxes, cutting red tape, letting capital flow to strong ideas, making sure national security is secured through policy, but not ownership of these things.

01:35:53.620 Are you comfortable if the United States just took over AI or just took it over and said, we're just going to own 10%?

01:36:01.300 Oh, they need another bailout.

01:36:02.560 We're going to just own 20%.

01:36:03.840 Oh, I need another bailout.

01:36:05.360 Okay.

01:36:05.660 We're going to own 40% of that.

01:36:07.320 Do you think that that company wouldn't become beholden to the United States government?

01:36:13.100 And who are they beholden to?

01:36:15.480 The Defense Department?

01:36:17.500 The deep state?

01:36:18.640 The president?

01:36:19.880 Or you?

01:36:21.500 I think you know the answer to that one.

01:36:22.820 Stu, how do you work around this one?

01:36:26.260 Because I love this idea.

01:36:27.560 I love the fact that we're running things like a business.

01:36:29.900 And if we're going to give people loans, why not take a stake?

01:36:33.420 Why not?

01:36:34.260 Well, first of all, can we step back one little bit and just acknowledge that the original sin here in the first place was the CHIPS Act?

01:36:45.140 The CHIPS Act was not a good bill in the first place.

01:36:48.900 And that's not the current president's fault.

01:36:51.400 But, you know, he has to live under that law.

01:36:55.340 And he's trying to improve it.

01:36:57.060 But, like, that was a disaster in the first place and should not have been something that we did, certainly in the way that we did it.

01:37:03.100 But with buying into this, I mean, look, I understand it is better to have some of this money that, by the way, we're just borrowing and printing anyway, right?

01:37:15.520 Like, these are taxpayer dollars that we don't really have that we're spending on something that it's good that potentially we'd have a return.

01:37:23.480 I mean, this was the argument under TARP as well, right?

01:37:26.080 Where we would go and we would do all this and we would take control of some of these banks and companies and they would eventually pay us back.

01:37:33.440 And many of them did, by the way.

01:37:35.320 Many of them did pay us back.

01:37:36.520 Yes, they did. With interest.

01:37:37.060 With interest.

01:37:37.820 Yeah, exactly.

01:37:38.620 And so why not?

01:37:39.440 Why don't we do that?

01:37:40.300 We have done it from time to time.

01:37:41.860 Normally, it's been in extreme circumstances, right?

01:37:46.020 When there's an emergency going on.

01:37:48.840 And I will acknowledge, and I think you were on this as well, Glenn, like these were not things that we supported at the time, but they were things that the government did at the time in what they saw as a time of financial crisis and reached in and took ownership of a bunch of these companies.

01:38:04.360 I would say we went further than not being for them.

01:38:08.720 I would agree with that analysis.

01:38:10.300 And the reason for that is-

01:38:12.140 Very much against them.

01:38:13.180 Very much against them.

01:38:14.240 The reason for that is we don't want the government involved in jumping into companies and micromanaging companies.

01:38:22.000 Now, they'll say they have no voting rights.

01:38:24.200 They'll say all sorts of things.

01:38:25.600 But we now have a situation where the president of the United States has an interest in Intel's stock price.

01:38:33.000 And like, I don't know that that's-

01:38:33.920 Money doesn't talk.

01:38:34.940 It screams.

01:38:35.920 It's a bad idea.

01:38:37.100 It's a bad idea.

01:38:38.260 You know, once the government becomes your partner in business, they're always your partner.

01:38:43.220 Always.

01:38:44.200 Mm-hmm.

01:38:44.680 And I understand where the president's coming from because at some level, it really is important to acknowledge he's been put in this position to try to make the best out of a bad thing.

01:38:55.700 Now, I know, you know, the president does really care about the chips and he does care about these industries being here in the United States.

01:39:04.440 That is something that actually is legitimately important.

01:39:08.360 I'm not denying that.

01:39:10.420 But, right?

01:39:10.800 Right.

01:39:11.400 He also cares about America doing well financially.

01:39:15.340 Yep.

01:39:15.540 He's tired of America getting screwed.

01:39:17.160 The taxpayers getting screwed every time.

01:39:19.320 But on that point, because I get what he's saying there.

01:39:22.080 It would be great.

01:39:22.720 Like, we're up a couple billion dollars.

01:39:23.980 Let's say we double our profit.

01:39:25.020 Let's say we make $10 billion off the deal.

01:39:26.840 Nothing wrong with making $10 billion.

01:39:28.560 Let's acknowledge what this is, though.

01:39:30.120 We have $37 trillion of debt.

01:39:32.680 Making $10 billion does absolutely nothing to this.

01:39:35.820 Nothing.

01:39:36.060 We're going to waste that.

01:39:37.880 Like, we could just instead be, we could have someone actually look at the next spending bill we have and just cut a few things around the corner and easily save $10 billion.

01:39:49.300 The only way that this makes any impact, and this is what makes me nervous, is if you do it at scale.

01:39:54.700 If you start doing this in every single company you can think of that is having problems or is in an industry of interest to the United States of America, then you start getting to a place where the government is in bed with lots of businesses, and maybe you can make a financial impact.

01:40:11.060 And if we accept this argument now, I'm afraid we accept it then, too.

01:40:15.120 But haven't we already accepted it when America embraced public-private partnerships?

01:40:21.400 I haven't accepted that.

01:40:22.800 Right.

01:40:22.940 I don't, I'm, I'm dead set against public, but isn't this a public-private partnership that the left is already, I mean, this is what they were pushing.

01:40:31.460 Well, and this is the concern, right?

01:40:33.340 Who's, who is cheering this on?

01:40:35.520 Bernie Sanders.

01:40:37.820 Bernie Sanders put that he actually had this idea as an amendment in the CHIPS Act.

01:40:44.480 This was his proposal.

01:40:46.520 He's cheering it on right now.

01:40:48.920 I, that doesn't mean that every, you know, everything a Democrat brings.

01:40:52.940 Everything a socialist brings up is the wrong idea.

01:40:54.140 Maybe this was a good one.

01:40:55.700 I mean, you could make that argument.

01:40:56.900 Is he a Democrat or is he a socialist?

01:40:59.040 He's a socialist.

01:40:59.880 Yeah.

01:41:00.220 So everything a socialist brings up is probably a good bet.

01:41:04.140 Yeah.

01:41:04.640 Yeah.

01:41:05.100 Again, this is, it's just a, it's, it's a road we should really, really be careful going down.

01:41:11.940 I would argue we shouldn't go down it because it does lead to bad things.

01:41:15.140 And it leads to bad things, by the way, when this president's long gone.

01:41:19.080 Right?

01:41:19.540 It's not just, it's not just him.

01:41:21.300 I mean, you know, what, what, I know we say this all the time.

01:41:24.940 What are Democrats going to do with this newfound ability to invest in companies?

01:41:31.220 And, and by the way, we should note, Intel doesn't need to accept this.

01:41:36.040 Right?

01:41:36.320 This is, the CHIPS Act doesn't require them to sell part of the company.

01:41:40.960 What's happening here is we're pressuring them into this.

01:41:44.020 And, you know, I, I understand the reasoning for that.

01:41:48.780 You brought up a really, you know, really good arguments on this front.

01:41:51.680 We're already suckered into giving these, these companies money because of the CHIPS Act.

01:41:57.000 Why not make the situation better?

01:41:58.760 And Intel is saying, well, they can make our lives miserable in 25 different ways.

01:42:04.140 Let's partner with them.

01:42:05.480 I get it on both sides.

01:42:06.940 It doesn't mean it should be a foundational part of our economy going forward.

01:42:12.500 And, you know, if this is a one-time thing, it's probably not going to be that big of a deal.

01:42:16.080 If this is a precedent that goes on, it can be.

01:42:18.740 It will be.

01:42:19.680 Once you start this, once you start this, and, you know, we have, how long?

01:42:23.380 My whole life I've said, I wish we had a businessman as the president.

01:42:27.200 I wish we had somebody that would look at the country and look at everything and go, how can we make money?

01:42:32.480 How can we, you know, save money?

01:42:34.740 Let's run this a tighter ship.

01:42:36.220 Well, he's doing that, although we're spending more money.

01:42:40.480 And here he's like, well, let's just offset.

01:42:43.260 Let's, you know, let's get, yeah.

01:42:45.780 And he might pick the winner.

01:42:48.300 I don't know if he will or not, but he might pick the, but tell me the last president that we had that ever said anything about industry.

01:42:56.200 They were like, oh, you know what?

01:42:57.440 That was a really good stock tip.

01:42:59.800 No.

01:43:00.600 I mean, he'd be the guy.

01:43:01.860 He'd be the one that you would trust on such things.

01:43:03.980 He'd be the one, I think, in my lifetime, for sure.

01:43:08.000 Maybe the lifetime of the country.

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01:44:52.480 But, Stu, if we would have invested, instead of just, you know, letting these companies take all of this technology when we went into the moon, we would have had all that Tang money.

01:45:05.980 Really?

01:45:07.280 We'd still be living off of Tang money.

01:45:09.480 Yeah.

01:45:10.200 That's a great point.

01:45:14.140 That and astronaut ice cream cash.

01:45:16.580 That would be flowing right now.

01:45:19.440 Astronaut ice cream.

01:45:20.500 I don't know astronaut ice cream.

01:45:22.220 You don't know astronaut ice cream?

01:45:22.740 That's the freeze-dried ice cream.

01:45:25.300 They used to call it astronaut ice cream.

01:45:26.440 Oh, the little, like Dippin' Dots?

01:45:27.360 Like Dippin' Dots?

01:45:28.700 Dippin' Dots is, I remember it as more of a bar, right?

01:45:32.000 It was like a bar or like a, yeah, like an ice cream sandwich that's freeze-dried, if you picture that.

01:45:39.120 Astronaut ice cream.

01:45:40.040 Freeze-dried, so it's not cold.

01:45:41.460 Right.

01:45:42.140 That's, you know, that's, you've never, you've had this before.

01:45:45.700 You've had, you've had that.

01:45:46.640 I don't think so.

01:45:47.380 It's actually, I mean, I would, it's not ice cream.

01:45:50.220 I mean, it is ice cream, but it's not as delicious and satisfying as the cold ice cream we're all accustomed to, though it has its charm.

01:45:58.240 They've been doing that with Skittles lately.

01:46:00.340 Have you had those?

01:46:00.980 Have you had freeze-dried Skittles?

01:46:03.880 No.

01:46:04.360 Why would you freeze-dried Skittles?

01:46:06.300 They're incredible.

01:46:07.260 They're incredible.

01:46:08.840 Freeze-dried Skittles are amazing.

01:46:12.140 You have to try them.

01:46:12.840 Do they sell them?

01:46:13.260 Or yeah, is that like a, it's like a, psst, hey, you, I got the good Skittles over here.

01:46:18.220 Let's put it this way.

01:46:18.780 I got a guy.

01:46:19.640 Okay.

01:46:20.380 I got a guy.

01:46:21.960 No, it's, it is.

01:46:23.120 They keep them under the counter.

01:46:24.220 You have to ask for them.

01:46:25.100 You have to know they're there.

01:46:26.300 Oh, yeah.

01:46:27.040 They don't, they don't display them.

01:46:28.620 But no, you, at first I had heard it from like some specialty shops and now I think Skittles actually sells them.

01:46:34.780 But they, they sort of in the freeze-drying process sort of kind of explode and they, they get larger and they, and you got to try these things.

01:46:44.360 I can't even tell you how addicting they are, but you get started on them.

01:46:47.300 No, it's really weird because I have found the same thing to happen that happens with me.

01:46:51.400 When I eat them, they kind of explode and I get larger.

01:46:56.180 Yes.

01:46:56.760 Yes.

01:46:57.020 This is, this is not a path to health I'm describing.

01:46:59.460 Yeah, it's not a path.

01:47:00.200 This is not make America healthy again material at all, regardless of how many artificial colors in there.

01:47:07.000 Uh, it's not going to help your waistline, but, uh, they are freaking good.

01:47:12.720 I don't know what it is about them.

01:47:14.260 They're just delicious and I can't recommend them highly enough.

01:47:17.400 If we want to take 10% in Skittles, I'm for it.

01:47:20.400 Uh, that's fine.

01:47:22.000 Are you being paid by Skittles?

01:47:22.800 I, I, this is starting to be uncomfortable really.

01:47:25.840 But now you want Skittles, don't you?

01:47:27.200 You want to try the freeze-dried Skittles.

01:47:28.900 Skittles, look, there's certain things.

01:47:30.380 Well, I want to try them because I am a, like, you know, I'm not like you as a food scientist, but I'm on the road to being a food scientist.

01:47:37.320 Oh, you've, you've got, I've had many of your prepared meals before and some of them feel like science, I will say.

01:47:43.180 Yeah.

01:47:43.940 But.

01:47:44.580 I don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing, but.

01:47:47.880 Usually really good.

01:47:49.180 It's not like you're cutting on, on butter and cheese.

01:47:53.200 Uh, in the, in the types of things that you make.

01:47:55.460 No, who would do that?

01:47:56.260 No, no.

01:47:56.940 Who would do that?

01:47:58.660 No, extra butter, extra cheese.

01:48:00.740 Can we get some bacon fat into that?

01:48:02.920 You know what I mean?

01:48:03.980 Ooh, bacon fat ice cream.

01:48:05.900 All right.

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01:49:43.060 Wait a minute.

01:49:55.200 Holy cow.

01:49:56.500 Wow, Stu.

01:49:58.320 That, um, that bloated debacle of light rail in California, they're still going.

01:50:04.460 They're still going for it, man.

01:50:05.880 They're just not giving up.

01:50:06.900 Well, they're making lots of progress.

01:50:08.320 Of course, they're not going to give up now.

01:50:09.760 This is going really well.

01:50:10.920 They put a bridge in, right?

01:50:12.040 Yeah, they finished it.

01:50:13.060 Well, they finished a bridge.

01:50:16.100 Wow, they finished a bridge.

01:50:17.880 What the bridge is going to do is another question, you know, but it's finished.

01:50:24.240 Well, in case you don't know, in 2008, there was an estimate of $33 billion.

01:51:01.300 Or more.

01:51:02.320 Um, and they're a little behind on their target of 2020 for, um, completion.

01:51:09.000 Are we sure they can't get it done by 2020, though?

01:51:11.480 I mean, they, you got to give them the benefit of the doubt.

01:51:14.160 I'm pretty sure.

01:51:14.260 They might be able to do it.

01:51:15.380 No, I'm pretty sure.

01:51:15.660 No?

01:51:16.420 No, I'm pretty sure.

01:51:17.440 I'm pretty sure.

01:51:18.120 In fact, the early operating segment of this, now, this is what it was supposed to do.

01:51:23.100 San Francisco, Milbrae, San Jose, Gilroy, Merced, Madera, Fresno, King, Tulaire.

01:51:30.720 Wow.

01:51:32.760 Bakersfield, Palmdale, Burbank, Los Angeles, and Anaheim.

01:51:36.620 That was the, that was the rail that was supposed to be done in 2020.

01:51:40.100 They've got some of it that is going to be ready, uh, from Merced to Bakersfield.

01:51:47.880 Now, I know the people in Merced are thinking, I got to get to Bakersfield.

01:51:51.700 And I know the people in Bakersfield are like, if I could just get to Merced, you know, uh,

01:51:57.100 it would, it would just save me a whole bunch of trouble on the road.

01:52:01.040 Cause that's just, uh, but that won't be available.

01:52:03.880 I don't mean to get people in, in Merced or Madera or Fresno or Kings Tulaire excited,

01:52:10.620 uh, about that because it's not going to happen until 2031.

01:52:16.060 Ah, well, actually between 2031 and 2033, it might be a little later than that.

01:52:22.540 Might be that part of it, which by the way, I'm just, you know, eyeballing the map here.

01:52:27.000 Certainly less than half, considerably less than half of the distance that, by the way,

01:52:33.740 they were legally required.

01:52:35.320 This was in the law.

01:52:36.460 The law said it had to be built and it had to get people there from, I think it was San

01:52:42.060 Francisco to LA in like two hours.

01:52:45.420 Yeah.

01:52:45.980 Yeah.

01:52:46.160 Yeah.

01:52:46.500 That's not going to happen.

01:52:47.760 Glenn, I hate to say.

01:52:49.040 You really think so?

01:52:50.180 No, wait a minute.

01:52:50.740 Now hear me out.

01:52:51.500 Hear me out.

01:52:51.920 So by 2031 to 2033, you'll be able to go from Merced to Bakersfield, but by 2038, you're

01:53:03.160 going to add Gilroy to the North, which is the next city.

01:53:08.860 People are like, Merced to Gilroy?

01:53:10.860 Are you kidding me?

01:53:12.820 And you're going to add Palmdale on the South.

01:53:17.080 So you'll be able to go all the way from Palmdale to Gilroy on one train.

01:53:22.860 Boom.

01:53:23.400 You're there.

01:53:24.040 I'm looking at the Gilroy.

01:53:25.940 Not that far.

01:53:28.920 Not that far from Merced.

01:53:30.860 And then you Palmdale.

01:53:33.280 Yeah.

01:53:33.820 Palmdale from Bakersfield.

01:53:36.580 Wow.

01:53:37.080 That's not a lot either.

01:53:39.720 That's not a lot of distance there.

01:53:41.740 And you're not to Los Angeles yet.

01:53:43.460 Of course, the only reason that anyone would ever want this is to go theoretically from,

01:53:50.940 let's say, San Francisco to LA or San Diego, Sacramento, right?

01:53:55.480 Now, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

01:53:58.800 Do not discount Gilroy to Madeira.

01:54:01.720 Don't.

01:54:02.540 Don't do it.

01:54:03.160 Don't do it?

01:54:04.020 If I could hop on a high speed rail in Gilroy and not have to worry about Merced and boom,

01:54:12.620 I'm in Madeira, I mean, that's a dream come true for many people in California.

01:54:17.860 Well, you would have to worry about Merced and that journey, right?

01:54:20.860 It would still stop in Merced.

01:54:25.080 Well, not for a very long time.

01:54:27.140 That's true.

01:54:27.660 You wouldn't have to.

01:54:28.320 You wouldn't.

01:54:28.740 And you wouldn't have to look out the window.

01:54:30.800 And you wouldn't be.

01:54:31.620 No offense to Merced.

01:54:32.500 You would be able to skip a lot of that Gilroy traffic.

01:54:35.800 That famous Gilroy and Merced traffic.

01:54:39.960 Yeah.

01:54:40.220 Bad.

01:54:40.580 It's really bad.

01:54:42.080 It's really bad.

01:54:43.220 My favorite quote of all time about this story comes from a 2022 New York Times story about it.

01:54:51.660 And again, this has been such a catastrophe that even the New York Times has given up trying to defend it.

01:54:57.420 Like, that's how bad this has been.

01:54:59.720 Every year or two, they write a new 4,000 word story about how horrible this is with all new details.

01:55:07.460 I mean, they should just take all of them and put it in a book.

01:55:09.920 I would buy it.

01:55:10.500 They're that crazy.

01:55:12.320 But this is my favorite quote.

01:55:15.340 SNCF, the French National Railroad, was among bullet train operators from Europe.

01:55:19.900 I know this quote.

01:55:21.240 You do?

01:55:21.540 I love this.

01:55:22.480 I love this.

01:55:23.580 This is probably my favorite thing on this train, too.

01:55:26.800 Go ahead.

01:55:27.420 I'm sorry to interrupt.

01:55:28.420 No problem.

01:55:28.840 SNCF, the French National Railroad, was among bullet train operators from Europe and Japan that came to California in the early 2000s with hopes of getting a contract to help develop the system.

01:55:38.900 The company pulled out in 2011.

01:55:41.440 That's three years after it passed.

01:55:44.100 SNCF was very angry.

01:55:45.920 They told the state they were leaving for North Africa, which was less politically dysfunctional.

01:55:53.440 By the way, again, that's the French.

01:56:00.720 The French.

01:56:01.440 The French are saying that about California.

01:56:04.700 California, they got to get to someplace more politically functioning, and it's in North Africa.

01:56:12.460 In this case, they went to Morocco and helped them build a rail system.

01:56:17.000 Morocco's bullet train started service in 2018.

01:56:20.740 And they left California in 2011?

01:56:24.820 Yeah.

01:56:25.660 Unbelievable.

01:56:26.740 Unbelievable.

01:56:27.380 So in a much shorter window, they were able to get a bullet train in Morocco built, which is just incredible.

01:56:33.640 And, you know, they made all sorts of mistakes with this thing.

01:56:36.500 They're way over budget.

01:56:37.660 They didn't go on the land that they owned, which was, you know, on the main highways.

01:56:42.160 They could have just worked with that land.

01:56:45.420 Instead, they tried to reroute it through all these cities, had to buy land from farmers.

01:56:49.760 They were dividing.

01:56:51.420 The train line was dividing people's farms.

01:56:54.440 So one side of their farm would be on one side of the train line, one would be the other.

01:56:58.560 They would have places that there were no roads.

01:57:01.280 You'd have to drive down, you know, miles away to go through a bridge to come back down the other side just to leave your own place of, you know, your home or your farm.

01:57:11.800 They just made mistake after mistake after mistake after mistake.

01:57:14.700 And we now know that they're not even going to come close to getting this done in the timeline or with the restrictions as far as the speed that it was supposed to take or anywhere close, of course, to the budget, which was laughable from the beginning, but has become so much worse than even skeptics were complaining about.

01:57:32.540 They were saying maybe it'll double, maybe it'll triple.

01:57:34.540 We're already at about five times the cost, and they're not even going to be doing half of the railroad.

01:57:39.540 Could you do me a favor?

01:57:40.800 Look up how long did it take for San Francisco to build and open the Golden Gate Bridge?

01:57:50.320 I mean, that's a wonder of the world, the Golden Gate Bridge at the time.

01:57:56.140 It was a wonder of the world, and it's a massive project, okay?

01:58:01.740 How long did it take him to build that?

01:58:03.300 Let's see.

01:58:03.580 It started in January 1933, open to traffic May 1937.

01:58:12.200 Four years.

01:58:13.600 Ahead of schedule and under budget.

01:58:16.360 Okay.

01:58:17.900 A little different these days.

01:58:19.800 How long did it take to build the Empire State Building, the largest, tallest building in the world at the time, by far?

01:58:29.980 How long did it take him?

01:58:32.140 This doesn't even, every time I read this, I think it can't be possible.

01:58:36.260 What I see is construction starting March 1930, opened May 1st, 1931.

01:58:41.740 So a little over that, just over a year.

01:58:44.620 Yeah, I mean, they were putting furniture into the base floors before they were finishing the top of the building.

01:58:56.840 I mean, that thing was, it was amazing how they did that, okay?

01:59:02.600 Now, Golden Gate Bridge, four years, under time, under budget.

01:59:08.740 California, with all of the technology that you now possess, you started this project in 2008.

01:59:17.580 You were in the aughts when you started this, okay?

01:59:22.740 We started this railroad in odd eight, okay?

01:59:27.680 I just asked ChatGPT, what is the estimate of a finished product?

01:59:36.240 You ready?

01:59:36.640 2040 to 2046.

01:59:46.360 Optimistic.

01:59:46.960 I don't know, I don't, you have very optimistic.

01:59:49.760 I don't know if they realize that's 25 years late.

01:59:56.280 But just the quarter of a century.

01:59:58.720 Yeah, just a quarter of a century late on this project.

02:00:03.540 And Gavin Newsom and everybody else, they're still defending this thing.

02:00:06.920 That's what the stories were today.

02:00:08.340 The stories were all about, you know, that rail.

02:00:10.800 We shouldn't give up on that yet.

02:00:12.700 We shouldn't give up.

02:00:14.220 Who's making money on this?

02:00:16.440 Who, what, because this is not in the interest of the people of California anymore.

02:00:22.280 It's not.

02:00:22.700 They voted for it.

02:00:24.040 What is the deal?

02:00:24.960 There's your direct democracy in action.

02:00:27.220 It's another whole sideshow.

02:00:29.120 It's not just government inefficiencies, but this idea that you could be able to vote in

02:00:33.400 $100 billion projects by a 50.1% vote of people who never paid attention to the issue

02:00:39.920 the entire time is a bad, bad formula.

02:00:43.900 Does not work.

02:00:45.320 It traps cities and states and future governments.

02:00:48.880 I mean, even if Gavin Newsom hated this, what would he do?

02:00:51.740 It's already law.

02:00:53.160 We're going to repeal half the railroad.

02:00:55.560 I mean, it's, it's at this point, you know, I mean, first of all, that's what I would

02:00:59.880 do.

02:01:00.520 But secondly, at this point, you can make the argument, okay, there's so much invested in

02:01:04.640 this.

02:01:04.840 We should at least get something out of it.

02:01:06.100 These poor people from Merced should be able to make it to Gilroy.

02:01:09.260 And we're not even going to get that.

02:01:13.260 We're not even going to get that.

02:01:14.640 It's unbelievable.

02:01:18.940 Okay.

02:01:20.020 Okay.

02:01:20.420 I got a couple of stories that I think are astounding that came out of the news today.

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02:02:32.560 This is Glenn Beck.

02:02:40.440 I don't know if you saw this.

02:02:59.620 There's a couple of stories in today's show prep that I thought was really, I thought was

02:03:03.920 telling.

02:03:04.740 First one was from CNN.

02:03:06.100 Did you see the one from CNN today that talked about Ghislaine Maxwell and how she was part

02:03:16.620 of the Clinton Foundation, you know, how she was invited to these big things that only

02:03:22.100 the elites were invited to.

02:03:23.860 They knew.

02:03:24.420 In fact, one of the CNN, I'm sorry, one of the Clinton people said, you can't have her

02:03:29.760 here.

02:03:30.180 She's, you know, she's, she's grooming people.

02:03:33.300 That's what the charges are that she's grooming people for Jeffrey Epstein to rape and Hillary

02:03:38.820 Clinton and Bill Clinton just okayed her to come.

02:03:42.260 In fact, invited her to come.

02:03:45.280 Why is that story important?

02:03:47.060 And that's CNN having the balls to turn against the Clintons.

02:03:53.320 That's CNN opening the door to the Clinton Foundation may have been dirty.

02:03:59.220 Bill and Hillary Clinton may have been dirty.

02:04:01.460 They may have been involved with the Epstein stuff, whether he did anything with, you know,

02:04:07.080 young girls or not.

02:04:07.940 I don't know.

02:04:09.020 But I found that fascinating.

02:04:12.460 There was another story today from the WAPO, the Washington Post, about Reagan.

02:04:21.060 And I immediately see why he's dead.

02:04:23.620 Why are you, why are you dancing on his grave?

02:04:26.100 Instead, it wasn't a dancing on his grave story.

02:04:29.720 You need to get it.

02:04:30.860 You can get all these stories at glenbeck.com and get our free daily newsletter.

02:04:35.400 These stories are in today's newsletter, as is everything else that we talked about on

02:04:38.680 the show today.

02:04:39.140 Um, but, um, in the Washington Post, it was this fascinating story, um, coming now from

02:04:46.120 more released documents this time during the Reagan administration, they have just been

02:04:51.800 released.

02:04:52.200 And it shows that, uh, Ronald Reagan wanted to take all of our nuclear missiles, you know,

02:04:59.000 the ones in silos and everything else, anything that was a missile and destroy it and throw

02:05:05.500 the missiles in the bottom of the sea.

02:05:06.780 I mean, take the, you know, nukes out, but throw them on missiles at the bottom of the

02:05:10.760 sea, make sure that we didn't have any missiles, no, no guided missile systems in America.

02:05:17.540 And he said that to Gorbachev and Gorbachev said no.

02:05:22.260 And he said, but we can end all of this madness because they can't be recalled.

02:05:26.640 Our airplanes can be recalled.

02:05:28.160 Those cannot be recalled.

02:05:29.560 Let's end it.

02:05:30.100 Then when Gorbachev said, no, he went back to the, uh, national security council and he

02:05:36.440 said, I want to do this.

02:05:37.440 I want to plan to do this in case they change their mind.

02:05:40.740 I want to do this.

02:05:41.800 Then the CIA got involved.

02:05:43.980 The NSA got involved state department and all of them started telling Ronald Reagan, no,

02:05:49.860 you can't do that.

02:05:50.740 And he said, I want it done.

02:05:52.400 And then they went around him, uh, and thwarted him as long as they could until finally the

02:05:59.700 CIA had convinced everybody.

02:06:01.380 No, we can't, we can't do that.

02:06:03.320 And they just said, Mr.

02:06:04.160 President, you can't do it.

02:06:05.200 So he, he stopped it.

02:06:06.540 And then they buried all of that information.

02:06:09.840 Remember Ronald Reagan was made to look like a war wonger.

02:06:12.240 He looked, he was made to look like he just wanted nuclear war, right?

02:06:16.460 Here's the Washington post releasing something that is not just, um, verifying that they

02:06:24.660 were wrong about Ronald Reagan and his war mongering at the time, but they're verifying

02:06:29.160 a deep state, something that they said did not exist.

02:06:33.720 I think the movement from Washington post post and the, uh, uh, and CNN, those two stories

02:06:42.100 are remarkable in seeing that they both are doing things they would have never, ever done

02:06:49.880 before.

02:06:50.480 Is that a change or a one-off?

02:06:52.480 I don't know, but it's worth noting.

02:06:55.020 All right.

02:06:55.780 We'll see you tomorrow.

02:07:04.460 This is Glenn Beck.

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