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00:01:01.480 Hello, America, and welcome to Monday.

00:01:05.600 Well, we've got some polls that are out that will tell us who we are, what we think.

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00:01:26.120 Hickenlooper, the guy who can change it all.

00:01:29.360 Wouldn't it be, you know, I was going to say, wouldn't it be crazy?

00:01:31.840 But, no, wouldn't it be, wouldn't it be exactly like the rest of the world if Hickenlooper was our next president?

00:01:38.440 Nobody even knows who he is, and then all of a sudden he takes everything by storm, and we're like, President Hickenlooper, what?

00:01:45.840 So far, the polls say no, but there's a lot of polls out there that I want to go over because it says a lot about where we are right now.

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00:03:12.920 Welcome to the program.

00:03:25.100 So what are the most trusted news brands?

00:03:29.120 You know, they always say, the most trusted name in news.

00:03:31.600 No, not really.

00:03:33.240 In fact, not at all.

00:03:35.260 It's the most trusted news brand in America.

00:03:38.440 The most trusted is the BBC, which strikes me as odd, except the BBC is the only one that

00:03:51.500 was reporting on how bad Barack Obama was for a while.

00:03:58.200 You know, you had to go to the outside.

00:04:01.360 Was it the BBC?

00:04:02.220 I thought it was more like the Daily Mail.

00:04:04.320 No, the BBC also did.

00:04:06.060 It was.

00:04:06.600 But the BBC also did some.

00:04:08.200 And I think it's because it's foreign and we're not all watching it.

00:04:11.300 We just think, well, what do you think of the BBC?

00:04:14.140 Oh, yeah.

00:04:14.540 Well, I trust them.

00:04:15.720 You know what it is, I think, on that one?

00:04:18.200 They've got the good call letters.

00:04:19.440 People know BBC.

00:04:20.480 But more than that, English accent.

00:04:22.400 That's it.

00:04:23.080 We just think because it's said in an English accent, it's true.

00:04:26.060 They're just as liberal, if not more liberal, than all of our major networks.

00:04:29.320 Oh, yeah.

00:04:29.420 More liberal.

00:04:30.120 Yeah.

00:04:30.440 More liberal.

00:04:31.440 They're way out there.

00:04:32.480 Not to mention, the idea of a government news source is so...

00:04:37.500 I mean...

00:04:38.100 Can I ask you a question?

00:04:41.080 How is a government school or a government news source...

00:04:47.100 How does anybody think it could teach the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution?

00:04:55.760 Well, the government school should be able to teach it.

00:04:58.500 No, but it can't.

00:04:59.860 It can't.

00:05:00.540 Think about it.

00:05:01.140 Why?

00:05:01.640 Because the whole point is, don't trust the government.

00:05:06.260 It is.

00:05:07.420 I mean, it is...

00:05:08.620 Government is like fire.

00:05:11.620 As long as the people have control of the fire, it's good.

00:05:14.840 As soon as the fire gains control, it'll burn everything down.

00:05:19.020 They can't teach that.

00:05:20.640 They can't teach that rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God.

00:05:25.600 They can't teach any of that stuff.

00:05:28.520 So, no wonder we have people who are...

00:05:31.080 They're teaching us to obey.

00:05:33.140 That's the key.

00:05:35.600 Fox News is number two behind the BBC.

00:05:39.100 With 88% of the people saying they trust Fox News.

00:05:44.680 87% PBS.

00:05:49.020 MSNBC is tied for a second with PBS with 87%.

00:05:55.020 Then Bloomberg.

00:05:57.300 Then CNN with 79%.

00:06:01.060 That truly is remarkable.

00:06:04.340 So, Fox News has 88%.

00:06:05.940 CNN has 79%.

00:06:07.100 CNN has 79%.

00:06:07.900 CBS with 77%.

00:06:10.180 NBC with 75%.

00:06:12.600 ABC with 73%.

00:06:15.400 Sinclair with 64%.

00:06:17.540 And Trump with 26%.

00:06:19.860 I don't know.

00:06:20.400 They know this.

00:06:20.880 Trump isn't a news agency.

00:06:22.520 They treat him like he is.

00:06:24.400 Well, they are in this poll.

00:06:26.120 They treat him as if he's the only thing...

00:06:27.960 The only way you're allowed to cover the news is if Donald Trump tweeted it, then we can talk about it.

00:06:32.980 That's the only...

00:06:33.620 He didn't tweet it.

00:06:34.360 It didn't happen.

00:06:34.740 It's so controlled by him.

00:06:35.160 Yeah, no, it's true.

00:06:35.740 It's...

00:06:36.540 They're completely controlled by his Twitter feed.

00:06:41.340 Which is great.

00:06:42.180 In a way, it's great.

00:06:43.540 Yeah, I mean, I wish we...

00:06:45.040 I wish Republicans would be able to utilize that power a little bit better.

00:06:50.220 You know what I mean?

00:06:50.500 They had control of all three branches.

00:06:54.360 And then...

00:06:55.240 Yeah.

00:06:55.500 And they could have used every Donald Trump tweet to pass some other form of legislation that would have been controversial.

00:07:04.560 Oh, yeah.

00:07:04.960 If they would have done their job, he provided the greatest cover of all time.

00:07:10.300 I mean, you want to talk about, I'm going out.

00:07:13.300 Cover me.

00:07:13.900 Yeah.

00:07:14.200 It's like, he tweeted about Mika Brzezinski passed the flat tax quick.

00:07:18.300 Like, that's what should have been happening.

00:07:19.880 Yes.

00:07:20.240 Exactly right.

00:07:20.800 And instead, they're like, oh, let's just all go out and moan on TV about whatever was tweeted last.

00:07:26.980 First of all, the stations themselves shouldn't have even been covering it.

00:07:32.020 Who cares what he says about Mika Brzezinski?

00:07:34.840 But I mean, even if you're going to do that, which I, you know, for whatever reason, they just turn the news...

00:07:40.440 Fire everyone in the newsroom.

00:07:42.180 Just put Trump's tweets on the screen, and we'll all talk about them over and over again.

00:07:46.100 But the Republicans should have been smart enough to say, wait a minute.

00:07:49.580 Like, when they want to cut, you know, taxes or cut regulation by, you know, 1%, it's the biggest issue in the world.

00:07:56.700 God forbid you want to give people their constitutional rights to bear arms.

00:08:00.240 That is, that's just way over the line.

00:08:03.520 Every time the guy tweeted, they'd just be complete...

00:08:05.640 Like, this was the ultimate shiny object for the media.

00:08:08.340 They never were going to pay attention to any legislation going through.

00:08:11.040 And Republicans could have gotten away with it.

00:08:13.380 You know what's interesting to me, though, is if you look, Fox News has 88% trust.

00:08:19.580 Okay?

00:08:19.940 What's the actual question?

00:08:21.360 I mean, 88% trust.

00:08:23.020 Which media do you trust?

00:08:28.680 Trust engendered when it came to individual news brands.

00:08:31.300 So which news brand do you trust?

00:08:34.240 It doesn't have the actual question here.

00:08:36.840 Because, I mean, I can't believe 88% of Americans trust Fox News.

00:08:39.980 I mean, obviously, it's a somewhat partisan lean.

00:08:44.960 The reason why Fox News typically does well in these polls is because half of the country really trusts them.

00:08:49.900 CNN and MSNBC and all these other ones, the maximum they can get to is also a half.

00:08:55.480 But because there's division, there's multiple sources within that field, they don't get to 50% like, you know, that Fox does.

00:09:03.340 There's only one real option for a conservative on that entire list, which is Fox.

00:09:08.020 How much value of trust is engendered when it comes to these news brands?

00:09:13.960 So do you trust it?

00:09:16.560 Do you trust it?

00:09:17.240 That's a fair analysis of that question.

00:09:18.500 It's very, you know.

00:09:19.260 Fox News, 88%, PBS, 87%, NBC, MSNBC, 87%, Bloomberg, 80%, CNN, 79%.

00:09:27.900 I will tell you, I think it's because if you look, MSNBC, 87%.

00:09:33.600 They say what they are.

00:09:36.960 They have no problem saying what they are.

00:09:39.720 They are clearly an opinion place that comes out for the progressives.

00:09:44.840 That's not what they say they are, Glenn.

00:09:47.340 They're part of NBC News.

00:09:49.660 Fox News says they're fair and balanced.

00:09:52.180 You're right.

00:09:52.900 Like MSNBC does not say we are super progressive.

00:09:56.820 No, but everyone knows.

00:09:58.700 Yes, everyone knows.

00:09:59.600 That's different than them saying it.

00:10:01.280 No, I think lean forward and all of that stuff.

00:10:05.200 And just who they select on the air.

00:10:07.800 Yeah.

00:10:08.300 Where CNN is trying to say they're fair and balanced.

00:10:12.560 CNN is trying to say everything they do is, no, he is very, very credible.

00:10:19.780 He is.

00:10:20.320 Right.

00:10:20.520 I mean, Rachel Maddow, you don't see them going out and going, no, she is fair.

00:10:27.420 She cuts both ways.

00:10:29.580 They know.

00:10:30.560 No, you're right.

00:10:31.380 They don't do that.

00:10:31.740 They're defending that side.

00:10:33.760 And I think everybody knows it.

00:10:35.240 The same thing with Fox.

00:10:36.980 They're defending a side and everybody knows it.

00:10:39.340 And so they they they're not hiding like CNN or CBS or ABC behind this, this cheap veneer that everybody sees right through.

00:10:49.620 Oh, really?

00:10:50.600 You're fair and balanced.

00:10:51.520 No, you're not.

00:10:52.540 No, you're not.

00:10:53.580 But what's really interesting to me on this poll is that Fox News has 88 percent trust in the country.

00:11:01.060 According to this.

00:11:01.800 think of the money that has been spent by organizations, by Soros kind of people and all of the media ganging up on Fox all the time for them to have this kind of trust from the people.

00:11:26.420 With all of that going on speaks volumes and it doesn't speak volumes of Fox.

00:11:32.600 It speaks volumes that people don't people don't believe that they just don't believe all of the hype that you've said.

00:11:40.120 They know that they go too far one time or another, just like MSNBC goes one, you know, too far one way or the other.

00:11:47.220 They know that.

00:11:48.160 But they don't trust you.

00:11:52.000 You can run all the this is an apple and this is a banana all you want.

00:11:55.740 And it doesn't matter to people because they know you're not who you say you are.

00:12:02.860 I think that's fair.

00:12:04.040 I think it's a fair.

00:12:05.020 I mean, that is basically where we are now.

00:12:08.580 Yeah, I think so.

00:12:11.160 Now, there's a couple of other polls that have come out.

00:12:13.080 I want to have Stu get into these because these polls are about socialism and the election for 2020.

00:12:21.720 We'll do that in one minute.

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00:13:58.940 Should we go through this poll?

00:14:00.060 Yeah, let's go through it.

00:14:00.680 There's a lot to get to.

00:14:01.100 NBC News, Wall Street Journal conducted a poll.

00:14:04.340 A lot of different questions, varying topics.

00:14:06.840 Quick, Donald Trump's approval rating.

00:14:08.880 On this poll, since the beginning of his presidency, it's been between 35 and 43 in every single survey.

00:14:14.620 Currently at 42.

00:14:16.220 It was also at 42 in November before the sort of shutdown stuff happened.

00:14:20.520 It went 42 down to 37, up to 39, now back to 42.

00:14:24.460 Okay.

00:14:24.620 So, basically, the shutdown negatives are behind him at this point, as you kind of would expect.

00:14:32.140 Here's another one.

00:14:33.520 Here, I'm going to read a couple of statements about the role of government.

00:14:36.760 Which one comes closest to your point of view?

00:14:39.000 Statement A.

00:14:39.900 Government should do more to solve problems to help meet the needs of people.

00:14:43.180 Statement B.

00:14:44.520 Government is doing too many things, better left to businesses and individuals.

00:14:49.200 B.

00:14:49.920 Yeah, I would certainly be.

00:14:51.180 Very much B.

00:14:52.080 B.

00:14:52.500 I was looking for one that's a little stronger than B.

00:14:54.840 Yeah, exactly.

00:14:55.560 Okay, I'll take B.

00:14:56.540 Again, which is closest.

00:14:57.940 Right.

00:14:58.060 In 2014, when Republicans had a really good election, it was 50% said B, 50 to 46, a slight

00:15:05.540 advantage for people saying government is doing too many things, better left to businesses

00:15:09.680 and individuals.

00:15:11.440 Currently, it is the opposite of that.

00:15:14.260 55 to 41.

00:15:15.840 Oh, my gosh.

00:15:16.380 Government should do more.

00:15:18.340 Now, that is not the worst that polls look.

00:15:20.920 In fact, in 2018, it actually was 58-38.

00:15:23.780 So, it's backed off a little bit from that, but it's not on the right side.

00:15:28.460 This is why, if the economy goes south, you will see that number in the 30s, easy.

00:15:34.700 And that's why we will get a socialist president, because they'll promise anything and everything.

00:15:41.040 We have to pray that this economy holds together.

00:15:44.500 One thing that's interesting is we hear a lot about the binary choice argument when it

00:15:48.500 comes to elections, two parties.

00:15:50.220 This is fascinating.

00:15:51.060 This is, you know, and this is what we heard from everybody on both sides.

00:15:54.680 How about this question?

00:15:57.180 In terms of how well it defines issues and provides choices for voters, do you believe

00:16:01.440 the two-party system works fairly well, two-party system has real problems, but with some

00:16:05.940 improvements, it can still work well, or the two-party system is seriously broken and

00:16:10.360 the country needs a third party?

00:16:12.100 C.

00:16:13.260 I would tend to agree with that.

00:16:15.540 What I was fascinated about is the two-party system works fairly well.

00:16:18.840 Well, 11% of people believe that.

00:16:21.460 Wow.

00:16:22.120 That's A.

00:16:23.380 That's A?

00:16:23.940 Yeah, that's A.

00:16:24.800 So 11% think this is working well, yet everyone thinks this is what we should have and we should

00:16:30.620 not have.

00:16:31.480 It's such a...

00:16:32.300 No, because it's a different question.

00:16:34.220 It is.

00:16:34.520 That's a different question.

00:16:35.040 When you get down, I've got a gun to your head.

00:16:38.640 Yeah.

00:16:38.760 It's always, I'm going to play in the two-party system because it's the only thing.

00:16:43.580 Mm-hmm.

00:16:44.420 In selecting a presidential nominee for the Democratic Party, which of the following is

00:16:47.920 most important to you?

00:16:48.780 Obviously talking to people considering that choice.

00:16:51.520 Is it a chance...

00:16:52.640 Is it a candidate with the best chance to defeat Trump or a candidate who comes closest to your

00:16:57.360 views on issues?

00:16:58.220 Now, I don't believe this, but they are saying a candidate who comes closest to your views

00:17:03.620 on issues at 56% and a candidate with the best chance to defeat Trump at 40%.

00:17:10.240 Okay.

00:17:10.920 That is because it's happening right now.

00:17:13.880 We're still in this utopia where I think I can find a candidate that's going to reflect

00:17:18.360 my issues.

00:17:19.220 Right.

00:17:19.440 But once it gets narrowed down, it goes hand in hand with that last poll question.

00:17:25.700 Mm-hmm.

00:17:25.920 You know?

00:17:26.400 Mm-hmm.

00:17:26.920 You know, I think this is broken.

00:17:29.220 Well, when you get down to it, there's only two left.

00:17:31.680 You're going to vote.

00:17:32.560 You won't vote for a third party.

00:17:34.440 And the second one is, yeah, I want somebody with my values, but when it gets down to it,

00:17:41.320 anybody but Trump.

00:17:42.360 Mm-hmm.

00:17:42.500 That's what they'll think.

00:17:43.680 Republican primary voters, would you like a Republican to challenge Donald Trump in the primary?

00:17:48.040 Uh, 37% said yes, 59% no.

00:17:51.720 I actually was, I thought that was high.

00:17:53.480 I was surprised that 37% would want that.

00:17:55.840 Okay.

00:17:56.100 So now to the next.

00:17:56.900 Again, I think it, I think it is more of an intellectual thing that you would like to

00:18:03.200 have somebody.

00:18:04.080 In theory.

00:18:04.620 In theory, challenge Trump because you may not like this, this, and this, but you like

00:18:09.580 the other parts of Trump.

00:18:11.560 And so I'd like somebody to challenge, but not if it's going to weaken the position and

00:18:15.920 we get them.

00:18:16.760 Yeah.

00:18:17.140 You know what I mean?

00:18:17.860 Sure.

00:18:18.380 All three of these so far don't mean anything at this point.

00:18:21.100 I kind of am with you on that.

00:18:22.080 Okay.

00:18:22.240 These are, this is pretty interesting though.

00:18:24.000 Uh, not thinking of specific candidates, uh, I'm going to list several types of people

00:18:27.620 who might run for president.

00:18:29.180 For each one, tell me if you, if you are, uh, enthusiastic about this, would be comfortable

00:18:33.940 with it, have some reservations, or be very uncomfortable with it.

00:18:37.060 Okay.

00:18:38.400 So, this is interesting.

00:18:41.560 Uh, an African American, would you be enthusiastic about this?

00:18:45.540 Twenty-one percent said they'd be enthusiastic.

00:18:48.300 Sixty-six percent said comfortable.

00:18:50.460 So, you're combining those and you're getting eighty-seven percent.

00:18:53.120 Comfortable is not, is not the right word for that.

00:18:56.960 I'm totally fine.

00:18:58.740 Well, that's comfortable.

00:18:59.640 I think that's, I, like what I would describe.

00:19:00.940 That seems like enthusiastic, or are you comfortable?

00:19:03.840 Like, I think enthusiastic is like, I, I feel like the enthusiastic answer to me is identity

00:19:08.600 politics, right?

00:19:09.460 Yes, yes.

00:19:09.860 Like, I, I'm never going to be enthusiastic about any of these groups.

00:19:11.980 No.

00:19:12.260 Because I don't pick candidates in individuals based on groups.

00:19:15.440 Correct.

00:19:15.840 21 percent are basically saying they do, right?

00:19:18.440 At some level.

00:19:19.560 Uh, 66 percent say, uh, comfortable, which is, is interesting.

00:19:23.180 Um, now you'd say.

00:19:23.940 Why is it interesting?

00:19:24.640 Well, because, uh, a woman, 25 percent would be enthusiastic.

00:19:29.620 Now, maybe that's because there was already an African-American president, right?

00:19:32.940 So, now we have not had a female president yet.

00:19:35.780 Um, so, 25 percent say a woman they'd be enthusiastic about.

00:19:40.040 21 percent say an African-American.

00:19:42.000 A white man, 16 percent.

00:19:44.780 Now, this is a country that is called racist constantly for keeping down the African-Americans

00:19:50.500 and women.

00:19:51.020 But, that's basically every piece of news coverage is saying one of those two things.

00:19:55.620 But I think.

00:19:56.380 And here we are.

00:19:57.480 More people are enthusiastic about having an African-American president and having a woman

00:20:02.240 president than a white president.

00:20:03.860 Again, I think this is because the African-American, we've already had one.

00:20:08.640 So, it's 22 percent.

00:20:10.220 I think before Barack Obama, that probably would have been higher.

00:20:13.800 Yeah, I agree.

00:20:14.360 25 percent because we haven't had it.

00:20:16.320 You had the analysis right.

00:20:18.000 16 percent because that's run of the mill.

00:20:19.680 Who cares?

00:20:22.080 Who cares?

00:20:22.860 When it comes to, uh, am I enthusiastic for a man?

00:20:26.200 No.

00:20:26.920 I'm not enthusiastic.

00:20:28.580 Would I be, would I be, would I be excited to show the world?

00:20:32.880 Right.

00:20:33.520 No, but a lot of people are.

00:20:36.320 I think that's true.

00:20:37.140 And that's what we're seeing there.

00:20:38.200 By the way, um, more people would even be comfortable with an African-American over a

00:20:43.220 white man.

00:20:43.580 In this racist country.

00:20:46.380 Wait.

00:20:46.620 87 percent would be comfortable or enthusiastic about an African-American.

00:20:50.760 86 percent.

00:20:52.060 I mean, again, they're basically tied, but it's fascinating in this racist.

00:20:56.460 Think of what washes over you every day with the accusations of racism and sexism.

00:21:01.140 It's we are told we are living in a rape culture where people are being lynched every

00:21:06.100 day.

00:21:06.360 That's essentially the impression you would get by watching the news, but cops are shooting

00:21:10.200 black people all the time for no reason.

00:21:12.400 People know the truth.

00:21:14.520 That's, I think, why people are not as upset as they should be on what's going on in the

00:21:22.000 country.

00:21:22.860 They're not as upset because they think, oh, these are just a bunch of crazies.

00:21:28.440 You know, the media, they're just this pack of crazy people in the media.

00:21:32.120 And we all know the truth.

00:21:34.720 I think that's what it is.

00:21:36.380 They're ignoring it just like we ignored all those crazies in the universities.

00:21:41.120 That just shows how little credibility there is in the media, because, I mean, this is, you

00:21:46.220 know, it's the same thing every day.

00:21:48.140 Or another one, Muslims.

00:21:50.420 Everyone hates, I mean, listen, Ilhan Omar, again, like it's, everyone loves the Jews and

00:21:54.740 hates the Muslims, right?

00:21:55.620 That's what we're supposed to believe from Omar.

00:21:57.580 So, 49% of people would be comfortable or enthusiastic about a Muslim president.

00:22:03.380 Evangelical Christian is only 54%.

00:22:05.980 So, almost, again, you're within the margin of error there.

00:22:09.760 Would you be comfortable with an evangelical Christian president or a Muslim president?

00:22:13.700 The American people are saying, basically, it's a tie.

00:22:16.540 I mean, this is not a hateful nation.

00:22:18.860 And it is, it's really frustrating that it's presented that way so often.

00:22:23.380 But we have interesting stuff on socialism as well from this poll.

00:22:26.020 We'll get to it in a second.

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00:24:45.360 Welcome to the Glenn Beck Program.

00:24:47.100 It is Monday.

00:24:48.440 We're glad you're here.

00:24:49.480 I learned a lot talking to the people at CPAC.

00:24:53.060 I listened to the speeches.

00:24:54.660 I watched.

00:24:55.580 I talked to members of the crowd.

00:24:58.740 It was a little hard to maneuver.

00:25:00.620 It was very flattering how many people were there and wanted to shake hands and say hello.

00:25:07.620 And I am grateful for that.

00:25:09.980 Thank you.

00:25:11.300 But I learned an awful lot by talking to people.

00:25:13.860 And there are two things that came out to me as a consensus.

00:25:17.600 I would ask people, what is it that we have to care about most?

00:25:22.400 And there are two things.

00:25:23.520 And we'll get to that also the rest of this poll, which is which is really quite telling and an unbelievable story from somebody who says professors at college are predators.

00:25:37.260 And believe her because they are.

00:25:41.240 That all happens in about 35 minutes.

00:25:43.960 Right now, Pat Gray is joining us.

00:25:45.780 He watched the Neverland Ranch.

00:25:48.180 I watched a little bit of it, probably 60 percent of it and just couldn't just couldn't take very much more of it.

00:25:56.720 It is disturbing, disturbing.

00:25:58.240 The second half is on HBO tonight.

00:26:00.480 Yeah.

00:26:01.360 Another two hours.

00:26:02.380 It's a four hour documentary.

00:26:04.040 And I found it compelling, credible, but incredibly disturbing.

00:26:10.420 OK, so what is.

00:26:13.520 What is the biggest question you want answered?

00:26:16.140 Because let's see if it's the same with you.

00:26:17.700 I'm watching it and one question just keeps coming to me and I want it answered.

00:26:23.720 Tell me, what's the biggest question that you want answered?

00:26:27.860 Why?

00:26:29.180 If I didn't already have it answered, I think my main question would be, why did they lie under oath at the jury trial?

00:26:38.880 I think my question would have been just from and I did not watch it, but I've heard clips of it is how did the parents allow this to go on?

00:26:45.780 That's not too well, that one is my number one question.

00:26:48.380 But you see, you see it when they talked about it.

00:26:51.380 I know.

00:26:52.280 It's on last night.

00:26:53.080 I know.

00:26:53.500 I know.

00:26:53.900 And they talk about it.

00:26:55.020 While I would have made different choices, it seems kind of reasonable that they thought, well, this guy's the biggest star in the world.

00:27:01.080 How they talk about this in a lot of the parents in particular and the kids.

00:27:06.720 They're like, look, he's validated by society.

00:27:10.880 You know, he's he's off with Princess Diana and the president of the United States.

00:27:15.740 And then he comes back and he wants to have sex with you.

00:27:18.200 And you're like, OK, this is normal.

00:27:20.320 And and the parents are like, how could he be that?

00:27:23.580 I mean, look at how popular he is.

00:27:26.480 Everybody who's anybody lines up to see him.

00:27:29.520 I heard one clip.

00:27:30.360 And you guys may have seen the context more around this, but that they had fax machines, no texting, no emails.

00:27:36.020 They had fax machines back in the day.

00:27:37.840 And so the parents would come home to their floor of their office littered with faxes because Michael Jackson was faxing their kid over and over and over and over again.

00:27:47.980 Little notes of I can't wait to see you.

00:27:49.740 You're so much fun.

00:27:50.760 Blah, blah, blah.

00:27:51.720 Like that happens one time.

00:27:54.440 Do you not make it a hard fast rule that this person never sees your child again?

00:28:01.080 I would.

00:28:01.920 Yeah.

00:28:02.100 Again, I would like to talk to a psychiatrist or psychologist, somebody who has studied this.

00:28:07.280 It would be great to have a guest on because they haven't done this yet.

00:28:10.420 Maybe they do tonight.

00:28:11.340 But somebody that can explain the normalcy bias on this particular case, because I thought the same thing.

00:28:19.100 You know, here's a grown man who is like crying because your son is going to go to the Grand Canyon for a week.

00:28:27.520 And he's like, I don't want to be alone.

00:28:29.120 I don't want to be alone.

00:28:30.040 And you're like, I mean, as a parent.

00:28:32.400 Creepy.

00:28:32.980 Yeah.

00:28:33.500 It's kind of creepy.

00:28:34.340 But they were all set up by Jackson's handlers and everything else.

00:28:39.040 He's like a nine-year-old boy.

00:28:41.760 And so you and I remember saying this.

00:28:44.120 Pat and I talked about this.

00:28:45.540 We're not sure if he did it or if he was just stunted in his growth and he had no childhood.

00:28:52.480 So he's acting like a child.

00:28:54.020 That's what I thought for years.

00:28:54.900 Yeah.

00:28:55.320 And you seem to be shaken from that because you used to say that even on Pat and Stu a couple of years ago.

00:28:59.900 You would say that.

00:29:01.020 Yeah.

00:29:01.260 This documentary has really kind of changed my mind.

00:29:05.380 It's pretty compelling.

00:29:07.440 And they're both so credible.

00:29:10.340 And then Vanity Fair did this 10 undeniable things about the sex abuse scandal that are proven.

00:29:18.900 And that's pretty compelling.

00:29:20.740 You know, that things like at the age of 34, he slept more than 30 nights in a row in the same bed with a 13-year-old boy.

00:29:28.720 That came out in court.

00:29:30.520 Five boys Michael Jackson's chair beds with have accused him of abuse.

00:29:37.360 He paid $25 million to settle one family's case.

00:29:41.420 And we don't know how many millions to settle the others.

00:29:44.420 It's rumored up to $200 million he paid families to settle abuse claims.

00:29:49.080 He suffered from the skin discoloration disease vitiligo.

00:29:53.960 And so he had markings on his man unit.

00:29:58.540 And Jordy Chandler, who the 13-year-old that slept with him 30 nights in a row, drew those markings exactly.

00:30:06.140 That came out in a court of law.

00:30:07.820 I don't remember that.

00:30:08.400 Well, he might have been a psychic.

00:30:09.700 That's damning.

00:30:10.620 He might have been a psychic.

00:30:12.280 Hey, we all play the lottery.

00:30:14.060 You get the numbered balls right, you win.

00:30:17.660 That's not a good play.

00:30:18.520 It is a fact that they talked about this on the documentary last night.

00:30:23.240 That is, the hallway leading to the bedroom was seriously covered in security, so he would know of anybody's approach.

00:30:29.020 Yeah, that was...

00:30:29.960 That's creepy.

00:30:30.600 You know what?

00:30:31.060 They kept showing the door.

00:30:32.580 Yeah.

00:30:33.360 He had six different locks on it.

00:30:37.360 You could not get in there without him knowing.

00:30:40.340 Yeah.

00:30:40.760 He had bells, and he would set things up so you could hear anybody approaching.

00:30:47.820 He had an extensive collection of adult pornography that had his fingerprints on it and the kids' fingerprints on it, and they said that he showed it to them all the time, and it creeped them out.

00:31:01.020 The Neverland staff say that they never saw or knew of a woman ever spending the night with Michael Jackson, including his two wives.

00:31:11.740 That's amazing.

00:31:13.300 Okay.

00:31:13.940 Debbie Rowe and Lisa Marie Presley never spent the night with their husband?

00:31:18.180 Are you surprised by that?

00:31:21.000 No, well, a little bit.

00:31:21.500 Do you remember that awkward kiss?

00:31:23.960 Yeah, I talked about that this morning because...

00:31:25.540 Oh, it was like that kiss...

00:31:26.720 Was it the Grammys?

00:31:27.240 ...Grammys?

00:31:28.040 Yeah.

00:31:28.240 And he had to kiss Lisa Marie, and it was like...

00:31:31.240 It was like the first time it had ever happened.

00:31:32.940 Yeah, it was...

00:31:33.900 The MTV Music Awards, wasn't it?

00:31:35.260 Maybe it was.

00:31:35.800 Maybe.

00:31:36.360 But it was the most awkward thing.

00:31:39.420 It was like he had never kissed a girl ever in his life.

00:31:42.000 The parents of the boys that he shared beds with were given expensive gifts.

00:31:50.400 Now, I don't know if that proves anything, but Jimmy Safechuck's parents, he's featured in the documentary,

00:31:57.000 got a house from Michael Jackson at one point.

00:32:01.720 And in the documentary in 2002, Living with Michael Jackson, remember the Martin Bashir thing?

00:32:07.300 Yeah.

00:32:07.820 He did say there was nothing wrong with sharing his bed with boys,

00:32:11.300 and he said the same thing to Ed Bradley on 60 Minutes.

00:32:14.400 So, you know, the parents of this kid get a house.

00:32:18.040 And I guess that's the question there.

00:32:19.540 Because even if...

00:32:21.340 Let's just say, as a parent, the pitch comes to you,

00:32:24.880 look, he's just a nine-year-old boy.

00:32:26.620 He's got the mindset of a nine-year-old boy.

00:32:28.120 You have to understand that.

00:32:29.620 And you know what?

00:32:30.460 Let's just say you're in this weird world.

00:32:32.760 The guy's buying you houses, and you're just...

00:32:34.620 I don't know.

00:32:34.880 You convince yourself that that's true.

00:32:36.760 Do you still expose your kid to a guy, an adult, who thinks like a nine-year-old kid

00:32:43.900 for long stretches of time?

00:32:47.060 Even just that, my answer is absolutely not.

00:32:50.320 You don't.

00:32:50.960 But here's how...

00:32:51.860 This is a cult of personality.

00:32:53.520 This is a society that bases, at the very beginning, of basing everything into celebrity.

00:33:02.320 You know, wealth, fame, celebrity, skill.

00:33:06.660 The guy was really a skilled singer, really a skilled dancer.

00:33:12.340 And he was accomplished and beloved by everybody.

00:33:16.580 And so you have this feel...

00:33:18.040 I mean, I could see in a way...

00:33:19.860 I could see in a way that you wanted...

00:33:24.320 I mean, if you looked...

00:33:25.320 If you watched the documentary, the parents said,

00:33:27.520 oh, my heart was beating so fast when, you know, he would say,

00:33:31.580 hey, do you want to come and stay with us and everything?

00:33:33.620 I mean, it was such a big deal, such an honor.

00:33:38.800 And they believed like they were friends.

00:33:40.560 Like, the parents thought that Michael was their friend.

00:33:43.800 Right.

00:33:43.940 I mean, the kids as well.

00:33:45.400 For sure.

00:33:45.620 But they, like, thought they had a good, tight relationship.

00:33:47.740 This is like a close friend of the family.

00:33:49.380 Michael would call the mother of the boys, both of them, actually,

00:33:53.080 and talk to them sometimes for six or seven hours at a time.

00:33:56.640 Yeah.

00:33:57.040 One of them lived in Australia.

00:33:58.760 And so that, you know, that was during long-distance charges at the time.

00:34:03.160 So, yeah, they were taken in by it.

00:34:05.560 They...

00:34:06.280 That's bizarre.

00:34:07.300 Mm-hmm.

00:34:08.100 That is bizarre.

00:34:10.060 And where do you draw that?

00:34:11.020 Because, I mean, you made the point on News and Why It Matters,

00:34:12.860 which, by the way, Pat's on as well as us every day.

00:34:15.920 You can watch it on blazedv.com slash Beck.

00:34:18.500 You made the point that the death of due process is here.

00:34:23.720 With this documentary, we've seen it with R. Kelly.

00:34:25.960 We've seen it with Harvey Weinstein.

00:34:27.880 I mean, and again, all of these people, I think, are guilty.

00:34:30.460 And they seem like bad guys.

00:34:31.500 Right.

00:34:31.760 And that's not...

00:34:32.280 But that's not a good reason to evict people.

00:34:35.240 It's not the standard.

00:34:35.500 Because I watched a documentary, and I'm pretty sure.

00:34:38.700 Like, that is not the standard of justice, but it's become the standard of justice.

00:34:42.320 Yeah.

00:34:43.080 And it's interesting, too, because when you're thinking of Michael Jackson,

00:34:46.340 back in the late 80s and early 90s, this guy was so big that there's nothing to really compare it to.

00:34:53.040 One of them said last night, there's nobody like him today.

00:34:55.900 Yeah, there isn't.

00:34:56.460 And I think that's true.

00:34:57.040 I think it is, too.

00:34:58.000 It is...

00:34:59.420 Maybe Donald Trump.

00:35:01.720 Maybe Donald Trump is that big.

00:35:04.260 Or at least, yeah.

00:35:04.740 Where everyone knows.

00:35:06.780 Everyone knows who he is.

00:35:08.800 Although he's more polarized.

00:35:10.500 Polarized, yeah.

00:35:11.220 Than Michael Jackson was.

00:35:12.360 The thing with...

00:35:13.360 The thing that this documentary does really well is it does bring you back to that time.

00:35:18.360 When they're showing the Pepsi commercial, they're not just showing the Pepsi commercial.

00:35:22.100 They're showing the crowds and the people that were around.

00:35:25.000 And you remember...

00:35:26.180 Oh, my gosh.

00:35:26.560 Thousands of people.

00:35:27.440 I mean, I remember...

00:35:28.360 Everywhere he went.

00:35:28.800 And I remember, you know, when we were in radio in 1982, the Victory Tour, 83 or somewhere

00:35:36.920 in that era.

00:35:37.380 84.

00:35:38.200 The Victory Tour, it was so massive.

00:35:42.600 And no concert ticket was ever over eight bucks.

00:35:47.020 Ever.

00:35:48.300 Nobody spent any money over $8.

00:35:51.320 Good seats at the Jackson Victory Tour were $18 and $19.

00:35:57.780 Oh, my goodness.

00:35:59.040 Okay.

00:35:59.300 And that was a scandal.

00:36:00.440 And that was a scandal.

00:36:01.860 That was like, how can this guy...

00:36:03.900 Everyone said, it better be worth 18 bucks.

00:36:08.080 Okay.

00:36:08.940 Wow.

00:36:09.540 And...

00:36:09.900 Right.

00:36:10.500 And it was.

00:36:11.600 And it just built on itself and built on itself.

00:36:14.820 It was everywhere.

00:36:16.140 There were practically...

00:36:17.320 It was probably a lot like Elvis.

00:36:22.200 The Elvis mania was.

00:36:24.000 And the Beatle mania.

00:36:24.940 Yeah, definitely.

00:36:25.240 Except Michael Jackson, unlike, I think, the Beatles, Michael Jackson took all of society.

00:36:32.080 I mean, it took from the teenagers to the grandmothers.

00:36:35.760 I mean, everyone was a fan of Michael Jackson.

00:36:40.380 Yeah.

00:36:41.180 You didn't remember it?

00:36:42.720 I mean, I was in 84, so I was eight years old in 84.

00:36:46.620 I do remember him being...

00:36:47.860 I was never a Michael Jackson fan, but I do remember it being...

00:36:51.240 I was 10 in 84.

00:36:53.200 Oh, you were?

00:36:53.420 Yeah, a couple of years.

00:36:54.040 I hadn't been born yet.

00:36:55.300 Oh, really?

00:36:55.800 You're that young?

00:36:56.800 Yeah.

00:36:57.700 That's weird, because you were just talking about being in radio back then.

00:37:00.720 Yeah.

00:37:00.840 Well, hey, I'm here to testify that children in the womb, right, are children.

00:37:07.800 They are young.

00:37:08.300 Yeah, because you hosted a radio show in the womb.

00:37:09.320 I hosted a radio show.

00:37:10.560 That's incredible.

00:37:11.360 Yeah.

00:37:12.000 I do remember the phenomenon.

00:37:13.160 Glenn Beck and the Heartbeats.

00:37:14.020 We did a couple of numbers.

00:37:14.800 Anyway, go ahead.

00:37:15.680 Every time...

00:37:16.740 I remember watching MTV.

00:37:18.980 Every time something would come out, it was just nonstop Michael Jackson.

00:37:22.760 Then, my favorite part of this era was, of course, six months later when the Weird Al

00:37:27.740 parody would come out of the big Michael Jackson song.

00:37:30.740 That's what I liked about it.

00:37:31.720 I mean, think about how...

00:37:33.680 I mean, it was dominating culture.

00:37:35.860 One guy basically dominating all of culture.

00:37:38.720 And now, here we are.

00:37:39.860 I mean, everyone from that era, Bill Cosby and Michael Jackson, were the two people you'd

00:37:43.840 point to, television and music, that defined that era.

00:37:47.320 And now, look at them now.

00:37:48.460 And again, and again, it's because we lost our mind.

00:37:52.620 We're doing it right now.

00:37:53.900 We're just doing it with politicians.

00:37:55.480 We lost our minds.

00:37:58.180 They were so popular.

00:37:59.440 They were so everything that we wanted, they gave us, and we allowed them to get away with

00:38:05.060 anything.

00:38:06.680 We denied our own common sense.

00:38:09.260 We're doing it again.

00:38:10.720 You'd think we'd learn.

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00:40:12.260 just keep it in the closet.

00:40:14.300 How did we not know with lyrics like this?

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00:40:25.620 Cast the spell.

00:40:26.620 Oh, God.

00:40:27.920 I mean.

00:40:28.380 I mean, it's hard to know at the time, though.

00:40:30.680 I mean, maybe if he combined.

00:40:31.620 He had an amusement park in his backyard.

00:40:34.360 I know.

00:40:35.080 You could combine it with an amusement park.

00:40:37.680 And I mean, maybe if he can, you know, wrote a song called, you know, PYT and it stood

00:40:41.660 for Pretty Young Thing.

00:40:42.800 Maybe if that was there as well, you'd be able to put all this together.

00:40:46.080 But with absence of that, how could you?

00:40:48.540 I mean, somewhere Jerry Lee Lewis was like, oh, come on.

00:40:52.720 Seriously?

00:40:53.500 You're like, this guy be a star?

00:40:55.140 I at least married my cousin.

00:40:58.040 I mean, come on.

00:40:59.720 And that's the thing.

00:41:00.480 Like, you know, yeah, he was a big celebrity.

00:41:01.840 But these were accusations that existed at the time or at least a belief in rumors at

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00:42:29.660 This is the Glenn Beck program.

00:42:31.620 Hello, America.

00:42:33.360 It's Monday.

00:42:35.440 Last weekend, I was at CPAC and I talked to mainly the youth and I learned an awful lot.

00:42:44.640 One of which is we've already lost the colleges.

00:42:49.340 It's a complete write off.

00:42:51.500 Nobody thinks that we should be concentrating on the colleges with an exception of just saving

00:42:57.000 the ones that are there who are saveable.

00:43:00.340 But we have to look elsewhere.

00:43:02.500 We have to look at the younger generation because our college kids are going into college and

00:43:08.780 they are being lost.

00:43:09.760 One of the one of truly the best employees that we have, Samantha Sullivan.

00:43:15.300 She is content and digital marketing manager at Blaze Media.

00:43:19.560 She's been with us for a while now and she's remarkable and she knows her own self.

00:43:25.560 She's also a Christian, but she said in this amazing article that has come out on the blaze.

00:43:33.120 College professors are predatory.

00:43:35.920 Here's how one almost robbed me of my faith.

00:43:38.320 I read this with my jaw on the floor because her faith is so strong.

00:43:43.160 What she went through in college, she will share next.

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00:45:22.300 So, Sam, I was shocked that you were the author of this article.

00:45:36.460 Yeah.

00:45:37.180 Because you're so strong.

00:45:38.780 I mean, I just look at you as a leader, and you just are rock solid in what you believe.

00:45:45.260 Yeah.

00:45:45.920 Yeah.

00:45:46.040 Tell me about your college experience.

00:45:47.940 So, I pretty much was brought up a Christian my whole life, up until 18.

00:45:53.680 And my mom didn't really worry about me very much.

00:45:56.760 So, when I went to college, I was very headstrong, right?

00:45:59.360 I probably, like, gave her so many problems.

00:46:01.380 She was probably so happy that I was out of the house.

00:46:04.040 Get out of here.

00:46:05.100 And so, she probably trusted me, and she probably trusted the institution of higher learning.

00:46:10.300 And so, when I got to college, I remember it was either a reading or writing class that

00:46:14.840 I had, and I had it with a guy who was very likable.

00:46:19.220 I mean, he looked like a rocker to me, and he was just so cool.

00:46:22.680 And I really looked up to him, and I trusted everything he was saying.

00:46:26.700 And basically, the first week out of the gate, he started telling me, like, telling the whole

00:46:32.180 class, like, God is BS, and religion is BS.

00:46:34.720 What was he teaching?

00:46:36.060 I think it was just, I don't know the subject.

00:46:38.340 I don't remember the subject, but it was writing.

00:46:40.660 So, we were supposed to be taught how to think critically and become great writers and challenge

00:46:46.600 ideas.

00:46:48.400 But with him, he was just so hell-bent that whole semester on basically disparaging Christians

00:46:55.400 and Christianity.

00:46:56.440 And at the time I got there, you know, I say in my article, I was super naive.

00:47:01.300 I was young.

00:47:02.140 I was hungry to learn.

00:47:03.960 My mom and my dad didn't go to college.

00:47:06.940 My mom did maybe some community college.

00:47:09.020 So, to me, this was like a whole brand new world.

00:47:11.220 I'm thinking I'm going to learn all these things, and I'm looking up to these professors.

00:47:16.120 And when my professor started basically dismantling my religion, he was very persuasive, and he

00:47:23.620 was very likable.

00:47:24.580 And he seemed like he knew what he was talking about.

00:47:28.680 And so, I trusted his intellect.

00:47:31.180 And that semester, by the end of that semester, I was calling myself an atheist, but I didn't

00:47:36.040 really, I didn't.

00:47:37.560 You had gone from a Christian to an atheist.

00:47:39.520 An atheist.

00:47:40.000 One semester.

00:47:41.320 Yeah, and one semester.

00:47:42.820 And I remember that was the MySpace days, and my mom was like, what's this I see on

00:47:46.960 your MySpace about you being an atheist?

00:47:48.920 Because you could fill out the religious part.

00:47:51.400 And I just kind of, I don't even remember what I really told her, but it was about one

00:47:56.260 or two years that I was convinced by this professor that God was BS.

00:48:00.840 It was interesting, because you said, well, there's a couple of things I took out of it.

00:48:03.680 First of all, I'm going to save so much money on tuition.

00:48:05.940 It's incredible how much money I'm not going to spend on college for my kids.

00:48:10.400 But also, you talked about maybe writing this anonymously at first.

00:48:14.860 Why did you think that anonymous was the right way to go, and then eventually you wound up

00:48:19.380 actually putting your name to it?

00:48:20.640 I think I was ashamed and embarrassed.

00:48:23.100 I think it's one of the biggest regrets that I have that I so easily denied God.

00:48:27.800 And when I came back to the faith, I struggled a lot, because I was like, I denied him so

00:48:34.300 easily, like, is he going, am I going to be accepted again?

00:48:37.260 Am I saved?

00:48:38.180 Does he still love me?

00:48:40.080 And so, and as a conservative and working at The Blaze, what kind of, who wants to admit

00:48:44.740 that they were fooled, and that they liked a liberal, and that they believe their ideas?

00:48:48.720 But we all have been.

00:48:50.340 Yeah.

00:48:50.740 We have all been duped.

00:48:53.100 Duped.

00:48:53.380 Even when, you know, my age, you can be duped.

00:48:58.920 Yeah.

00:48:59.240 I mean, it's really hard and hard to admit, but you have to.

00:49:04.760 Otherwise, you live a life alone, and I think in darkness.

00:49:09.920 Yep.

00:49:10.240 And that's how I felt.

00:49:11.480 I felt duped, and I felt dumb.

00:49:13.400 I felt really dumb.

00:49:14.700 But then I started thinking about it.

00:49:16.140 You know, these professors are in a position of power and authority, and they wield that

00:49:21.340 over their students instead of, they're basically taking advantage of their intellect, which

00:49:26.540 is so young at that point.

00:49:28.080 You don't really know how to think critically, and your brain isn't fully developed, which

00:49:31.860 I mentioned in the article, your prefrontal cortex, the part that controls impulse.

00:49:36.000 So, when an argument sounds great, you're just going to, I mean, you're going to probably

00:49:41.820 buy into it.

00:49:42.740 And that's exactly what I did.

00:49:44.000 And that's why I wanted to write it anonymously until Aaron Collin here at The Blaze, he said,

00:49:48.360 don't do it.

00:49:49.240 Don't write it anonymously.

00:49:50.740 There are probably tons of college kids going through the same thing and sitting where you

00:49:54.760 sat.

00:49:55.160 And it's true, because I got tons of messages afterwards.

00:49:58.580 I bet.

00:49:59.360 About kids singled out.

00:50:01.420 Yeah.

00:50:01.540 I mean, it really struck me as something, you know, as I'm ancient compared to you.

00:50:06.080 As something that every parent of faith needs to read, because it's just, I would never

00:50:12.380 think it was that overt.

00:50:14.160 My idea of how, you know, kids go in these crazy directions as they go to college is like,

00:50:19.860 you know, well, there's peer pressure, and you're coming into your own.

00:50:22.740 And yeah, there's this sort of subtle influence of maybe liberalism and maybe atheism throughout

00:50:27.040 these colleges.

00:50:27.560 I never would have thought week one, a professor is saying in front of an entire class, God is

00:50:33.520 BS and explaining that in detail for a semester.

00:50:36.860 That's eye opening to me.

00:50:38.160 Yeah.

00:50:38.380 That's eye opening.

00:50:38.820 I will tell you that Hannah went to a Catholic university, Fordham University, and she was

00:50:46.540 taught that the Bible is nonsense and, you know, not sure if Jesus was real and all of

00:50:53.220 this stuff.

00:50:53.700 I mean, that's insanity.

00:50:55.740 And that's at a religious school.

00:50:57.920 Is it?

00:50:58.760 Yeah.

00:50:59.000 Is it at a religious school?

00:51:00.100 No, it's not.

00:51:00.840 Well, they were priests that were, they were Jesuits that were teaching it.

00:51:05.060 So there's your first problem.

00:51:06.460 But it is, when I was walking around CPAC, the people your age that I talked to, they were

00:51:14.020 all saying the same thing.

00:51:16.080 College is a nightmare.

00:51:17.860 It's a nightmare.

00:51:18.440 It's just over.

00:51:19.140 You get in, it's over.

00:51:21.180 We need to start concentrating on the lower grades.

00:51:24.000 And they're already doing that in public school.

00:51:26.800 The left is already doing that.

00:51:29.520 But we've lost this last generation.

00:51:32.800 What are the people who have written you this weekend said?

00:51:35.180 Um, I had one who, I had one girl on Twitter who had a Christian group on campus and the

00:51:43.300 professor would mock her Christian group and they would just target them and ridicule

00:51:48.120 them and like hiss at them, anything that they did.

00:51:51.120 And then I had Alexander write to me, um, the graphic designer here at the blaze and said,

00:51:55.480 yeah, I was always targeted and singled out when I try to argue with my professor about

00:52:00.140 God or religion.

00:52:01.180 And that's fine.

00:52:02.240 Like, I'm not saying don't challenge us.

00:52:04.340 But what I'm saying is at least present all of the explanations for religion.

00:52:09.500 If you're going to talk about atheism, talk about people who are agnostic, talk about

00:52:13.160 Buddhism, talk about Islam, and then just prevent the, or present the evidence and let

00:52:17.680 us decide.

00:52:18.440 Instead, they're just teaching us a conclusion that they've already drawn.

00:52:21.800 So are, are, are people in college, are they, are they just not hearing the message and will

00:52:30.780 be open to the message or are they hostile to the other message?

00:52:37.180 So I think it's two things.

00:52:39.000 When I was in college, you know, there wasn't an Allie Stuckey in college, right?

00:52:43.140 There wasn't a Steven Crowder or a Ben Shapiro yet.

00:52:45.580 So I wasn't hearing any conservative or alternative viewpoints.

00:52:49.800 So there's that.

00:52:50.780 And then there's this thing about Christians being the oppressors in this social justice

00:52:56.780 realm, right?

00:52:57.620 So they justify discriminating against Christians by linking them to Columbus when he came over

00:53:03.860 and, you know, uh, introduced Christianity.

00:53:08.060 And then they link it to the Ku Klux Klan.

00:53:10.380 So anytime a Christian speaks out and says, Hey, that's not right.

00:53:13.920 Like you're oppressing this, you're, you know, you're shutting down this person's speech.

00:53:18.080 They justify it by saying, well, the Christians aren't an oppressed class.

00:53:22.320 So it's okay to do that.

00:53:24.160 So it's, it's different things.

00:53:25.740 There's hostility.

00:53:26.540 And then there's, uh, students who aren't, they're just not being reached yet.

00:53:30.840 And that's why Allie is so important in her podcast and everything she does, because

00:53:34.600 she's meeting these students and Ben Shapiro and Steven Crowder are meeting these students

00:53:38.780 where they are.

00:53:39.440 I think that's really important.

00:53:42.640 Okay.

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00:54:56.020 So, uh, we're talking to, uh, Samantha Sullivan.

00:55:07.820 She's a content and digital marketing manager of blaze TV.

00:55:10.960 One of the most impressive 20 somethings I have met, um, coming through the blaze, uh, and

00:55:17.880 shocking to me that she said, and she wrote an, an op-ed, uh, this weekend at the, at the

00:55:24.380 blaze that she lost her faith for a while.

00:55:28.880 Because you were actually right.

00:55:30.120 Almost robbed me of my faith, but you write in there, you're what you're 18 years old when

00:55:33.660 this happens.

00:55:34.120 And at the, you write later on, eventually at the age of 20.

00:55:37.500 So, I mean, this was two years of your life where this really kind of did work to rob you

00:55:42.920 of your faith.

00:55:43.620 So first, before we go to what parents should know, tell me what brought you back to the

00:55:48.340 faith.

00:55:48.620 Basically, I was spiritually dead for like one or two years and I was just hanging out

00:55:56.360 with just terrible people and my life wasn't really on track to where it should have been.

00:56:01.420 And, you know, I was going out a lot and there was binge drinking and everything.

00:56:08.020 Um, and so I wish I had like this grand explanation, but I just woke up one day and I went back to

00:56:13.640 church and I remember just bawling my eyes out during worship because I just felt so

00:56:18.580 ashamed that how could I have denied God for two whole years?

00:56:22.440 And I was just completely ashamed.

00:56:24.480 And so it was just, I just had a moment one day and I just woke up and I went back.

00:56:28.840 And ever since then, I just kind of couldn't believe who I was for those two years.

00:56:33.780 Boy, how lucky.

00:56:34.840 Because it seems like as a parent, at least like you're, you try to do everything right.

00:56:37.880 It seems like your parents did, right?

00:56:39.320 Like you, you set this foundation, you get the person, you know, your kid to this point

00:56:43.240 where you think they're going to be able to handle themselves in this situation and you

00:56:46.240 can't, you can't internalize the pressure of, uh, and, and how that feels for someone

00:56:50.720 at that age who's not, brain isn't even fully formed to be able to deal with that.

00:56:54.980 That is terrifying.

00:56:56.720 Glenn, you've gone through it 9,000 times.

00:56:58.380 I have.

00:56:58.920 It's awful.

00:56:59.400 That is, that's terrifying.

00:57:00.620 So tell me what a parent needs to, a parent needs to know.

00:57:04.680 I think they need to know what's happening in their child's life when they go to college

00:57:10.260 and understand that just because we're 18 and we're on our own and we're supposed to

00:57:13.220 be like this adult now that we still need our parents as much as any other time in our

00:57:18.580 life.

00:57:18.920 And I don't blame my mom at all.

00:57:20.640 I think she just thought I was this independent person and I was strong and she didn't have

00:57:24.960 to worry about me.

00:57:25.720 And she, you know, she worked a lot.

00:57:27.620 I have like four brothers and I think she just trusted me and she trusted the institution.

00:57:33.520 So I think, sadly, parents, you can't trust these institutions anymore.

00:57:38.340 It's not about being an intellectual or challenging ideas anymore.

00:57:42.240 It's about indoctrinating people to this liberal agenda.

00:57:45.980 I mean, in my, in my piece, it's, I talk about how Republican, Republicans are outnumbered

00:57:51.900 by Democrats, like 70 to one.

00:57:54.140 So I think just being aware of that and checking in with your, you know, your child while they're

00:57:59.340 at college and seeing what they're learning, learning about their professors too.

00:58:02.260 I mean, you can go on Twitter and social media and find out exactly who they are now.

00:58:07.080 So what, if anything, could your, your parents have done for you to prepare you to walk into

00:58:15.180 that lion's den?

00:58:17.500 That's hard.

00:58:18.540 Um, I think my mom could have been, it was just her on her own.

00:58:26.500 Um, so I'm not sure exactly what she could have done differently.

00:58:30.000 Um, I would have to ask her now.

00:58:32.200 I never really talked about this to anyone, right?

00:58:35.100 Until this?

00:58:35.940 Nope.

00:58:36.380 Mm-mm.

00:58:37.220 I, I, every time I shared my testimony with like my Christian friends or church groups,

00:58:42.000 I skipped over the professor part.

00:58:44.260 I just told.

00:58:45.160 That's the most powerful part.

00:58:46.640 I know.

00:58:46.960 And I would just tell them, oh, I just fell away from the faith for like one or two years.

00:58:50.760 And then I came back and, you know, felt ashamed that I did that or denied him.

00:58:55.660 So I never really talked to her about it.

00:58:59.200 Has she read the article?

00:59:00.600 Yeah, she has.

00:59:01.980 And has she written or called you?

00:59:03.860 She, she's, I mean, she's kind of texted me and said that was good.

00:59:07.760 And, you know, I sent it to my in-laws too.

00:59:09.980 And she's like, wow, that is amazing.

00:59:12.380 And my husband read it and he was, he went to Stephen F. Austin in Nacogdoches and his

00:59:17.460 experience was just the polar opposite.

00:59:19.660 Like he didn't see all the stuff that I saw going to UT El Paso or the University of North

00:59:25.240 Texas.

00:59:25.840 So I think they're all kind of shocked in a way.

00:59:29.580 Well, I mean, you know, look, the good, the upside is if the university is going to take

00:59:32.600 faith away from your kid, at least you're not paying tens of thousands of dollars a year

00:59:35.960 to send them there.

00:59:37.460 That would really be a kick in the stomach.

00:59:42.380 So I am, I have a son who is challenging and, and he has questions about God and I've taken

00:59:57.340 the, the, maybe the contrary route than what everybody else would take.

01:00:03.740 I, I've taken the route of, he said to me, you know, dad, I don't know if I believe in

01:00:09.520 God.

01:00:09.800 And I've said, good, good.

01:00:13.560 I mean, he believes in you, but that's, that's cool that you don't believe in him.

01:00:17.240 Now it's your job to find out.

01:00:20.320 You can't just say, I don't believe in God.

01:00:23.440 Tell me why you don't tell me that you've gone on a real search and you've actually turned

01:00:31.540 over every stone.

01:00:32.940 And I think even, even kids that say they believe in God need to be challenged with their

01:00:41.060 faith in the home.

01:00:43.100 Yeah.

01:00:43.240 So if the parents are throwing them up against the wall a bit going, you know what, why do

01:00:49.580 you believe that?

01:00:50.080 Why do you, I mean, this could be total nonsense and challenging them and preparing them.

01:00:55.840 So they've already done the mental gymnastics on this topic, because I think if you go to

01:01:01.620 college and you've only heard one side, that other side, especially when it's presented by

01:01:08.140 a cool professor that you really respect.

01:01:12.080 And he's in a high position.

01:01:13.620 Your parents are just your parents.

01:01:15.760 All of a sudden they're going to present new things and new thoughts.

01:01:19.500 And you, you'll think my parents didn't know about this.

01:01:22.700 My parents had no idea.

01:01:24.500 And I got this from my dad because I was humble enough to ask my dad questions in my thirties

01:01:30.100 and my dad, I could talk to him about Einstein.

01:01:33.200 I could talk to him about Emmanuel Kant.

01:01:36.100 I could talk to him about anything.

01:01:37.480 My dad was a baker.

01:01:38.400 I had no idea, but my father had gone through the same thing that everybody goes through a

01:01:45.040 time of searching.

01:01:46.980 And as soon as I realized with him, oh my gosh, he has searched all these, my opinion of

01:01:55.100 him changed.

01:01:56.800 He wasn't just my dad.

01:01:58.640 Who's a baker.

01:01:59.440 He was a deep thinking individual who had turned on, turned over all the stones himself.

01:02:06.640 And I think that's critical.

01:02:09.280 You know, people were really negative on the parents in the movie, the village, but honestly,

01:02:13.100 I think they had something down there.

01:02:15.380 If you kind of drag them into a field and tell them there's no technology, this stuff

01:02:19.320 all goes away.

01:02:20.080 All we have to do is just find somebody that's strong enough to make sure that the government

01:02:24.380 doesn't fly any planes over our field.

01:02:27.360 And we're set.

01:02:28.560 Thank you so much.

01:02:29.600 Yeah.

01:02:29.860 Appreciate it.

01:02:30.780 The story's up on the blaze.com, by the way, you should read it.

01:02:33.200 If you're a parent, any parent of faith absolutely should read this story because it's and pass

01:02:37.820 it on to pass it on to your children as well.

01:02:41.040 I think, Stu, do you remember the day I said on the air, I turned the mic and I said, Glenn

01:02:47.080 Beck just ended his career today.

01:02:48.920 Yeah.

01:02:49.220 It's because I admitted to somebody, to the audience, something I had never admitted before

01:02:53.600 in my life.

01:02:54.480 They didn't know that I was an alcoholic or anything.

01:02:56.260 And, uh, and it was the day that I realized, oh my gosh, I'm not alone.

01:03:03.360 And I think the same thing is probably already happening with you that people are reaching

01:03:08.380 out and you're like, oh my gosh, I've been hiding something.

01:03:11.080 But so many people think this way.

01:03:13.940 And that's, that's the key.

01:03:16.040 That was the key to the nine 12 project.

01:03:17.940 You're not alone.

01:03:19.420 Start saying these things and you'll notice, oh my gosh, I'm surrounded.

01:03:24.880 I'm in a sea of people who feel the same way.

01:03:27.600 This is a good setup to your, uh, story about transition that we have coming up next week.

01:03:32.040 Uh, Glenn's going to be transitioning to, uh, a new jail.

01:03:35.820 Yeah, we are.

01:03:36.340 To a male.

01:03:36.640 Yeah.

01:03:37.140 Now, I mean, let's not go too far.

01:03:40.700 Somewhere in between.

01:03:41.280 Male is 57 choices.

01:03:42.840 Pick one in between.

01:03:43.800 I mean, we're not going male-esque.

01:03:46.780 This is where we're going to land.

01:03:47.680 All right, Sam, thank you so much.

01:03:49.640 Thank you, guys.

01:03:49.940 Back in just a second.

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01:04:12.180 Gee, I wonder which, I wonder, I wonder which app that was.

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01:04:20.640 Everything will be fine, Glenn.

01:04:21.740 Don't worry about it.

01:04:22.300 I'll be fine.

01:04:23.520 So they were just doing that so they could, uh, get your kids to give them more information.

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01:05:14.860 I'm going to go Greg in South Carolina.

01:05:16.860 Hello, Greg.

01:05:17.720 Welcome to the Glenn Beck program.

01:05:19.940 Good morning, Glenn.

01:05:21.140 It's, uh, they say God works in mysterious ways.

01:05:23.740 I come out the VA and get in my car and I, you know, they'll turn the car on and the radio

01:05:28.340 is already set to the talk station and you're on.

01:05:31.440 And, and the topic that you and that young lady was talking about, I just went through

01:05:36.560 this weekend.

01:05:37.560 I have a 21 year old that's in college who recently told me, dad, I want to have fun.

01:05:43.880 Um, I don't believe in God.

01:05:46.080 Um, um, that whole King James Bible thing is gone.

01:05:49.700 I'm going to drink, smoke, do drugs, and there's nothing that anybody can do.

01:05:53.500 And I'm, I'm trying to understand again, graduated eighth in his class.

01:05:57.860 He's going to graduate, uh, get his bachelor's a year early.

01:06:01.240 He's in the national 50 international guards.

01:06:03.720 I'm like, wait a minute.

01:06:04.720 What, how, and, and, and I was, I'm, I'm just, I'm floored.

01:06:10.120 I don't understand where it came from.

01:06:13.980 And I'm, you know, trying to piece together what went wrong.

01:06:18.280 I mean, he's number four of five children from 33 down to my 16 year old that's still

01:06:24.720 at home.

01:06:25.200 And it rocked my world so bad that I'm having to reevaluate myself as a father to what I'm

01:06:32.520 going to do these last two years for a 16 year old.

01:06:36.900 And I thought my sons and daughters had everything that they needed.

01:06:41.640 I thought the foundation that I built for them was solid enough for them to withstand not

01:06:48.080 just liberalism, but whatever they would go through and God, because again, they sat with

01:06:53.680 me day after day, talk radio.

01:06:55.800 We talked about conservatism.

01:06:58.240 We talked about wealth, money management, and more importantly, we talked about faith

01:07:03.020 in God and he's only in his third year in college.

01:07:07.120 And it seems like I've lost him and excuse me for getting emotional, but it hurts because

01:07:13.620 it makes me seem like somewhere I either missed something or I failed.

01:07:18.580 Okay, Greg, there is a reason why you were listening today.

01:07:24.300 And let me help see if, uh, let me see if I can help you through some of this.

01:07:31.620 First of all, you didn't fail.

01:07:34.220 Um, if you've done everything, you know, you didn't fail many times.

01:07:40.560 Children will divorce themselves from the parents and say, I don't want any of that stuff, but

01:07:47.680 life changes them.

01:07:50.300 Um, and sometimes they sow their wild oats and it, uh, is something that comes back and

01:07:57.480 bites them.

01:07:58.460 If you have done all you can, you now have to trust the Lord to do the rest of it, um,

01:08:06.020 and continue to love, to love him.

01:08:09.620 Um, let me, let me give you this one piece and I hope this helps.

01:08:15.880 You lost one out of four.

01:08:21.840 The Lord lost a third of his children.

01:08:26.540 If you look at the war in heaven and the angels, uh, that were up in heaven, they broke away

01:08:32.560 and went with Lucifer.

01:08:34.080 He lost a third.

01:08:36.320 Now you think you failed.

01:08:38.340 How do you think God looked at that?

01:08:40.160 God, God's God.

01:08:41.700 We know God did everything right.

01:08:43.700 We knew God was, how could you break away a third of the angels who knew God, who saw

01:08:52.000 God, who, who understood it all.

01:08:55.560 And I am convinced Greg, the argument that happened, the war in heaven, I think was more of a word

01:09:02.560 of war of words.

01:09:03.640 The war in heaven is exactly what we are going through right now.

01:09:10.480 And everyone is susceptible to this because of their heart and their free will.

01:09:18.000 Listen, if, if you were an angel in, in heaven and I tried to get you away from the creator,

01:09:26.960 God, the omnipotent, the, the all loving, uh, all kind, how do you do that?

01:09:34.520 Well, I have to, I have to flip the story of him.

01:09:39.480 And I think the easiest way to do it is in the war in heaven.

01:09:44.200 Okay.

01:09:44.640 As they're coming up with, how do we, how, how, what are we going to do with these humans?

01:09:49.720 What are we going to do?

01:09:50.360 How are we going to send them down?

01:09:52.340 We'll create humans.

01:09:53.200 And how are they going to come back up here?

01:09:55.460 And how are they going to be with their, their father in heaven?

01:09:59.360 Well, there's one plan.

01:10:02.280 And one plan is look, um, there's going to be lots of suffering and misery and disease and

01:10:08.480 everything else.

01:10:09.120 And I'm going to take that all away.

01:10:11.160 I'll take it all.

01:10:12.220 You just, everybody just go down there, follow me and do exactly what I say.

01:10:17.700 And then you'll come back and everything will be fine.

01:10:22.200 Jesus says, no, you know what?

01:10:24.340 There's another way.

01:10:25.280 Let everybody go down there and find it for themselves.

01:10:28.800 Let them go and have free will and be themselves and discover it.

01:10:34.620 Because if they discover it themselves through the pain, they're going to be strong enough

01:10:40.040 to come back.

01:10:40.900 And anybody who needs to be washed clean, I'll take on the suffering as well.

01:10:45.820 Lord picks that one.

01:10:47.260 Now, if you're one of the angels, you are listening to Satan and Satan would stand up

01:10:54.440 very calmly and say, okay, let me, let me tell you a little bit about dad here.

01:10:58.660 Let me talk a little bit about the guy that we have all worshiped at.

01:11:02.840 He is saying that he knows that humans are going to suffer.

01:11:07.020 He knows there's misery beyond your understanding, disease, temptation, war, famine, pain, suffering,

01:11:16.440 death, aloneness.

01:11:18.300 There's all of these things that are going to happen and he's fine with it.

01:11:23.780 And those who, who are maybe too messed up to come home, he's saying, I'm going to send

01:11:29.800 my favorite son down and I'm going to put him through all of that.

01:11:34.580 And then they're going to nail him to a tree.

01:11:38.800 Wow.

01:11:39.720 Dad.

01:11:41.260 Thanks a lot.

01:11:42.500 Now think of this because this is the same argument that is being used for socialism.

01:11:52.280 The same people that are skewing, perhaps your son in college are doing the same thing.

01:11:58.620 First of all, fun all the time.

01:12:00.560 Second of all, socialism.

01:12:02.600 I mean, listen, you know what the capitalists are doing?

01:12:05.760 You know what people are saying?

01:12:06.800 They're saying that you should go down and live your life in a world that is unfair.

01:12:12.940 Where, where, where people who are unfair knowingly, they are going to stop you because

01:12:21.720 of their bias.

01:12:23.120 There's it's things are going to be so unequal.

01:12:26.240 Some will have so much money.

01:12:28.180 They won't know what to do with.

01:12:29.680 Others are going to have nothing and they're going to starve to death.

01:12:32.740 Some people who are really smart are never going to make it because they're the wrong

01:12:37.760 gender.

01:12:38.180 They're the wrong, they're the wrong color or they're just not popular enough.

01:12:44.700 They don't have another set of skills and they're never going to make it and they're

01:12:47.700 going to waste away.

01:12:48.920 People are going to be lonely and hungry.

01:12:52.460 And what does the government say?

01:12:54.380 The government says, let them be hungry.

01:12:57.880 Let them be, let them be alone.

01:13:00.240 Let them stumble.

01:13:01.560 Let them fall because through their pain, they'll learn.

01:13:05.320 And it's their own free will.

01:13:07.460 And a socialist will say, really, that's your compassionate government.

01:13:16.320 That's your constitutional compassion.

01:13:20.300 And you want to restrain us, the government.

01:13:25.080 All we're saying is the government should be required to do some things for some people.

01:13:31.680 And you want to restrain us, Greg, the same thing that your son went through and is lost.

01:13:44.020 And I pray temporarily is the same thing that the third of the angels went through and the

01:13:53.180 Lord lost a third and they ain't coming back.

01:13:56.820 But hopefully your son will.

01:14:02.640 If God couldn't keep all of his children, how could we be expected to?

01:14:13.720 Greg, I pray for you.

01:14:15.300 I pray for your son and I ask the audience to do the same.

01:14:18.980 Keep your chin up, brother.

01:14:21.180 You did what you had to do.

01:14:23.000 You did what you did.

01:14:24.240 Now love him while he's on another path.

01:14:36.060 Isn't that everybody's worst nightmare?

01:14:38.360 Just worst nightmare.

01:14:39.720 Especially when you think you've done everything right.

01:14:41.860 You've worked hard.

01:14:42.940 You haven't.

01:14:43.780 I know a lot of people who have done so many things right and their kids go wrong.

01:14:48.760 I know people who have done so much wrong and their kids go right.

01:14:52.200 But, I mean, it is a little bit of a crapshoot.

01:14:56.660 Yeah, you can't micromanage it.

01:14:57.840 That's why I stopped having kids.

01:14:59.360 Two is enough.

01:15:00.180 I mean, if you get into that number where you're like nine or ten of them, one of them

01:15:02.460 is definitely going to be a serial killer.

01:15:04.540 It's almost statistically for sure.

01:15:04.900 Yeah, that's why I was trying to increase the odds.

01:15:07.080 I was like, you know, if I have ten, maybe one of them will go right.

01:15:09.840 Ah, that's what I was thinking about.

01:15:11.500 So far, I'm betting a thousand, though.

01:15:13.280 I'm betting a thousand.

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01:16:34.500 Let's go to Rhonda in North Carolina.

01:16:39.880 Hello, Rhonda.

01:16:41.420 Hi, Glenn.

01:16:42.200 What's up?

01:16:42.780 How are you?

01:16:44.820 Hi.

01:16:45.380 I'm so glad to speak to you.

01:16:46.980 I love it.

01:16:47.520 You're coming in on my phone and not on my radio.

01:16:49.780 This is pretty cool.

01:16:50.460 Yeah.

01:16:50.700 I love women from the Carolinas because they always just sound so nice.

01:16:55.200 They could tell you off and use every nasty word in the language, and yet they'd follow it with,

01:17:02.260 would you like some sweet tea?

01:17:03.720 And it just sounds so pleasant.

01:17:06.600 We could tell you to go to the devil and you look forward to the trip.

01:17:10.480 That's exactly right.

01:17:12.000 So what's up, Rhonda?

01:17:13.780 Yeah, I wanted to tell you about our experience.

01:17:15.600 It's kind of the same but different.

01:17:16.760 My son went to a college here in North Carolina, and he went into broadcasting.

01:17:24.180 Funny.

01:17:25.180 So he goes into school, and of course, you know, as a freshman, he's going to take every easy course he can.

01:17:30.700 So he comes up and says, oh, Mom, look, Introduction to Christianity.

01:17:34.960 I was raised in the church.

01:17:36.060 I went to Christian school all my life.

01:17:37.860 This will be easy.

01:17:39.200 So he takes the course, and immediately the professor starts teaching things that are really not kind of like what your writer had gone through.

01:17:51.040 He was teaching the exact opposite.

01:17:53.520 So he's coming home, but, Mom, this is what he's saying.

01:17:56.180 It is this, and I argue with him in class all the time, and it's just not fun.

01:18:00.200 I'm not enjoying it.

01:18:00.880 It's not what I thought it would be.

01:18:02.720 So then for the end of the year, he had to write his thesis.

01:18:06.960 Well, he chose Sodom and Gomorrah, which was sticking a finger in his eye, in the professor's eye.

01:18:14.220 The professor gives him an F, not just for the paper, but the whole course.

01:18:18.880 Holy cow.

01:18:19.220 And he said that the reason he did that was because there had been new writings and new research, and it turns out Sodom and Gomorrah wasn't really a true story anymore.

01:18:29.700 That it was disproven.

01:18:31.920 So he gave my son an F.

01:18:33.760 So we go to the chaplain.

01:18:36.760 We had met the chaplain at the school.

01:18:38.720 We go to him, and he said, hey, show me what has he taught you all year.

01:18:43.240 So we show him so many of the teachings.

01:18:46.260 And the dean looked at it, the chaplain took it to the dean, and the dean said, these were not approved.

01:18:51.660 They have to, from what I hear, they have to submit their teachings, what they're going to cover, to the dean.

01:18:58.460 And the dean has to approve them.

01:18:59.780 And if they go off topic, then it's not good.

01:19:02.560 So long story short, they told my son, look, he gave you an F, but we can't really let you take it over.

01:19:11.260 But what we can do is remove the F and let you take the course again for a different professor.

01:19:16.760 So although we had to pace the summer school, he went, he took Christianity.

01:19:21.080 He made a B in it.

01:19:22.920 He probably could have made more, but, you know, it was summer.

01:19:25.280 I will tell you, Rhonda, that's an amazing story, and I don't think that happens at every university.

01:19:31.660 I think you're lucky that...

01:19:34.280 It's got to be parental involvement.

01:19:36.420 You can't just sit there and go, oh, well, you made an F, better luck next time.

01:19:39.780 Parents have got to be involved with the colleges.

01:19:41.880 They've got to call.

01:19:42.880 They've got to go up there and look at the people in the eye and say, what's happening here?

01:19:47.360 Yeah.

01:19:47.920 You can't just talk about, they're not the new babysitters.

01:19:50.220 Yeah.

01:19:51.220 Rhonda, thank you so much for your phone call.

01:19:52.760 The other thing that you need to do is know who your professors are.

01:19:57.680 There's so much information now on professors and knowing what that course is about, knowing what that professor teaches.

01:20:04.120 And as I have always said, I really, I don't mind a teacher or a professor teaching the opposite of what I believe as long as they also teach what I believe.

01:20:16.220 And that way, I'm forced to look at both sides, and I want a credible argument on all sides.

01:20:24.660 That's how you teach critical thinking, and that's what our universities used to do, and they're not anymore.

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01:23:06.760 No, that's what it was changed to in the 1930s with the New Deal.

01:23:13.720 The original American dream, next.

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01:23:32.160 This is the Glenn Beck Program.

01:23:34.940 Hello, America.

01:23:36.540 It's Monday.

01:23:37.600 Today, I want to start with the American dream.

01:23:43.700 What is it?

01:23:45.640 Most people think it's been lost.

01:23:48.520 But what has been lost?

01:23:51.520 What defines the American dream?

01:23:54.940 I was at CPAC this weekend where they were, where the question was, what is it that makes America great?

01:24:02.620 A lot of different answers.

01:24:05.240 I didn't hear anyone talk about the American dream in its original context.

01:24:09.960 We do that in one minute.

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01:26:08.220 There's a new book out called Alienated America.

01:26:11.040 Why some places thrive and others collapse.

01:26:14.100 And it was written by Tim Carney, and he is a visiting fellow at the American Enterprise Institute, where he works on competition, cronyism, civil society, localism, and religion in America.

01:26:28.500 Again, the new book is called Alienated America.

01:26:32.480 Tim, welcome to the program.

01:26:34.160 Thanks for having me, Glenn.

01:26:35.060 I want to talk to you about the American Dream.

01:26:36.840 The American Dream was first really codified, if you will, in a book.

01:26:45.480 I'm trying to remember what it was called, America's Progress or something.

01:26:49.740 And it was during the FDR administration and the New Deal.

01:26:55.080 And that's when the American Dream was made into, you know, your own house, et cetera, et cetera.

01:27:00.940 Before that, what was the American Dream?

01:27:03.400 I think Alexis de Tocqueville probably should have come up with that term, because he was the one who described it.

01:27:09.700 He wrote Democracy in America, you know, 200 years ago.

01:27:12.660 And he described that what made America so unique and special was the way that we're constantly dividing off and creating lots of little platoons.

01:27:23.600 That was Edmund Burke's term for it.

01:27:25.360 We're always making new associations.

01:27:27.600 We have local governments that have real powers.

01:27:30.480 As we're starting little churches, little groups, whether it's sports or civic or an alumni association or veterans association, those things are the American Dream.

01:27:41.180 The ability to sort of access your neighbors, to connect to people, to get a sense of purpose and your own private safety net almost through these little organizations that you join by choice,

01:27:53.040 but kind of rope you in and you stick to those, that is the American Dream.

01:27:58.860 Civil society, not necessarily government and not necessarily individualism, but something in between.

01:28:06.060 So what's happened to that?

01:28:08.140 Well, it's eroded for sure, and particularly among the working class and the middle class.

01:28:13.220 So Robert Putnam, who's a liberal sociologist, he wrote a book that was really good back in 2000 called Bowling Alone.

01:28:19.820 A lot of you probably heard of that.

01:28:21.400 And he said, look, Americans aren't connecting as much.

01:28:25.140 And so what I did in Alienated America was I looked at, is that particularly affecting the working class?

01:28:30.100 And sure enough, especially in rural America and parts of suburban America, there's fewer churches.

01:28:36.320 There are fewer organizations bringing people together.

01:28:38.600 More and more people sort of have – they're an individual connected to the government or connected to sort of their only little platoon, so to speak,

01:28:49.960 or a political party they belong to or something.

01:28:52.740 And so through all sorts of factors, whether – and we should talk about them, technology, government, secularization,

01:29:00.180 people are not as well connected to these little institutions that are so crucial to the good life.

01:29:06.380 I remember when I was growing up, there was the Moose Lodge and the Elks Club and, you know, the Rotary Club.

01:29:13.320 And my dad was a member of, like, all of those things.

01:29:17.160 And, you know, you would go to all of these different events, and they were all connected to local people.

01:29:24.600 And they were your friends and neighbors.

01:29:28.120 And it's not just – yeah, and they're not just nice things.

01:29:30.240 They're really important is what I try to argue here.

01:29:32.980 What do you mean?

01:29:33.500 So people who are less connected, who belong to fewer organizations, the data I put throughout the book is there's lower life expectancy.

01:29:44.380 They're less likely to get married, and these women are more likely to have children out of wedlock.

01:29:49.540 Even economically, one of the things I do in alienated America is I compare Pittsburgh, which is doing pretty well right now,

01:29:55.340 even after the collapse of the steel industry, to parts of rural Pennsylvania, which are not doing very well at all.

01:30:01.700 And I argue that one of the big differences is that Pittsburgh had all these institutions.

01:30:05.900 They had museums and parks and little neighborhoods.

01:30:08.820 Here's the Italian Catholic neighborhood.

01:30:10.580 Here's Squirrel Hill, the Jewish neighborhood.

01:30:12.100 That allowed people to get through the downtime still with good education.

01:30:17.720 The schools were kept better.

01:30:18.920 People were kept from skid row.

01:30:20.480 Marriages were kept together so that when the economy swung back, that was a good place to start up a business.

01:30:26.380 And so you're actually more likely to die of drug overdoses if you live in a place that has fewer of these organizations you're talking about.

01:30:34.880 So where is the place where the American dream is the healthiest?

01:30:38.260 It's healthiest in two different types of places.

01:30:40.440 One, it's the elite circles.

01:30:42.520 They actually practice what we conservatives preach.

01:30:45.960 You go to – I started in the village of Chevy Chase, but you go to – that's in Maryland.

01:30:50.040 You go to all sorts of these places where everybody has a college degree, and guess what?

01:30:53.020 They finish school, get a job, get married, have kids, coach a little league, get involved in their kids' schools and all that.

01:31:00.060 But there's only going to be so many of those elite places, right?

01:31:03.080 The more important one are strong church communities.

01:31:06.340 Go to Mormon, Utah.

01:31:07.940 Go to Dutch Reform in western Michigan like Holland, Michigan.

01:31:11.380 I go to a village called Oosberg in Wisconsin.

01:31:14.140 I spent a few days at the diner counter there, and it was just amazing.

01:31:17.980 The biggest complaints people had is that the Christmas concert at the high school, it was too packed because all the neighbors,

01:31:24.060 even the ones without kids in the schools, were there to see this Christmas concert.

01:31:27.980 And what do they find?

01:31:29.000 They have all the good outcomes that the elites have about more marriage, less out-of-wedlock birth, less drug overdose, less college dropout.

01:31:36.940 So that's the most important thing.

01:31:38.520 There's a church on the cover of Alienated America because this is about – church is the fundamental institution of civil society in America.

01:31:45.220 And so efforts to drive it out of the public square, which you saw in the Obama administration, that's real – you can't do that and also love the working class and the middle class.

01:31:55.080 So where is it the worst?

01:31:58.040 It's worse in – well, for two generations, we've seen lots of inner-city neighborhoods have these problems.

01:32:06.060 A lot of people would talk about the decline of the family, the present fathers among inner-city black families.

01:32:13.080 A lot of that same thing is going on in parts of rural America.

01:32:16.760 And what happened was these were places that had these institutions but only a few of them.

01:32:21.760 And then when an economic shock hit, like the steel mill shuts down outside of Pittsburgh, there wasn't enough of a safety net of these things.

01:32:30.840 And so a few of the families got up and left, and the diner shuts down, and then not enough people are going to the church, and it shuts down.

01:32:37.300 And the people who are left don't have those connections.

01:32:40.120 They don't have the safety net, the sense of support, the modeling, the advice that all these little organizations provide us.

01:32:49.960 So a lot of where it's getting worse the most now are, frankly, the places that rallied to Trump the earliest.

01:32:57.720 When he said the American dream was dead and the elites didn't buy it, there were people who said, yeah, come to my town.

01:33:03.160 We're still trying to piece together our fish fries and a Memorial Day parade, but it's getting harder and harder to do it.

01:33:08.860 Our community bonds are crumbling.

01:33:10.860 And many people think it's because of economics, but you make the point that the American dream has nothing to do with economics.

01:33:20.620 Well, economics is a factor, but, again, the key, those great towns I was talking about in Utah or Oosburg, Wisconsin, they've got middle-class economics.

01:33:30.100 But what they have are, again, really strong churches.

01:33:34.420 They've got the rotary clubs and the swim clubs and that sort of thing.

01:33:38.160 Where the American dream seems dead, you can't just look at places that had economic struggles.

01:33:44.260 You have to look at places where, even if the closing factory was the first domino, the thing that's killer is when people lose their local diner, their local library, and, most importantly, again, their local church.

01:33:57.760 So I want to emphasize this again.

01:33:59.400 There's an effort on the left to drive churches out of the public square to say, you guys can't be involved in charity, in adoption, in education.

01:34:07.740 And if you do that, you are killing the middle class, because throughout American history, the church has been the fundamental institution of civil society for the middle class and the working class.

01:34:17.320 All right, back in just a second, more with Timothy Picartney, the author of Alienated America.

01:34:22.920 He traveled coast to coast and tried to figure out what is happening in America and what's happening with the American dream.

01:34:30.880 And he's come back with some really good research.

01:34:34.620 Alienated America.

01:34:36.060 We'll continue in a minute.

01:34:37.080 I'll point out, too, a third area where the American dream is live and well is every town featured in a Hallmark Christmas movie.

01:34:43.380 There, no matter what the economics are, everyone's coming together for the big Christmas spectacular.

01:34:49.040 Yeah, my mother-in-law is in town, and we've spent a lot of time watching Hallmark movies.

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01:34:57.760 They are.

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01:36:25.960 I was joking before the break that the hallmark Christmas towns are the perfect place where all these things come true.

01:36:37.200 And I wonder if the popularity of that is associated with what Tim's talking about here,

01:36:41.820 which is, you know, like, there's an urge, there's a thirst to find that wonderful, you know, put a smile on it hometown community.

01:36:51.300 And it's been lost in so many areas of the country.

01:36:54.180 I wonder if that's kind of one of the ingredients that makes them make 37 of those every single year.

01:36:59.820 I think that's a great idea.

01:37:02.440 I mean, because this is a real thing that people remember and people need.

01:37:07.940 One of the things I say throughout the book is man is a political animal that or a social animal, you can say if you want.

01:37:16.220 But that doesn't mean we are supposed to be lobbying and always talking about Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Trump, etc.

01:37:22.300 It means that we're supposed to shape the world around us, not just go off and live our own lives, but shape the world around us.

01:37:28.940 But the way that most of us do that is through volunteering, through being part of the swim club,

01:37:34.340 maybe through going to the local government or being on the PTA.

01:37:38.520 But with access to less and less of that stuff, that's when people turn more towards the central government.

01:37:45.340 But when you're talking about these movies, people are like, you know, wouldn't it be nice if you had next-door neighbors

01:37:49.820 who could watch your kid if you have to run out for a second?

01:37:53.160 That happens still in a lot of America.

01:37:55.400 But so much of the country finds themselves alienated in these places where they don't have just those very simple safety nets and sense of purpose.

01:38:05.260 Well, a lot of people will make fun of those very towns that they claim they want.

01:38:09.900 I live in the summer for a month or so in this little town in Idaho, and I love it.

01:38:18.220 I love the people there.

01:38:20.180 I love, you know, you walk into a grocery store and you're just surrounded by people who know everybody

01:38:29.780 and are talking in the middle of the grocery store and helping each other out.

01:38:34.720 It's a small town of, like, 500 people, and it's just fantastic.

01:38:41.780 But you bring somebody in from a city and they'll be like, really?

01:38:46.180 I mean, how far is it to, you know, whatever they're looking for?

01:38:50.280 They'll make fun of those same towns where they actually pine for what it feels like.

01:38:55.740 And they make fun of the idea that that personal level connectedness really matters, especially here in Washington, D.C., where I live.

01:39:03.600 People think, well, no, what matters is simply the economics.

01:39:06.960 And on the left, you have a lot of people say, oh, what people need is just, you know, more money.

01:39:12.360 Give it to them through a welfare check.

01:39:13.860 And some people on the right say, well, no, if you're getting nostalgic about your hometown,

01:39:19.620 you're not thinking, you know, ruthless economic efficiency enough or rugged individualism.

01:39:24.940 But these things matter.

01:39:25.920 And, again, one of the points I make in alienated America is that a lot of the elites are living these, like, 1960s lifestyles

01:39:32.820 in really strong small towns, but everybody has a college degree and an advanced degree.

01:39:38.420 But they don't realize how valuable that is.

01:39:41.420 They think it's through their own accomplishments that they, you know, that their kids are turning out well,

01:39:46.320 that their life is satisfying on a day-to-day basis.

01:39:48.580 They don't realize that the key to the good life are the strong communities for a lot of people

01:39:53.840 built around making it easier to raise kids up to have success in life and generally be happy.

01:40:02.320 And so, meanwhile, they don't think it matters that their policies can be destroying a lot of these small towns

01:40:07.700 around the country because they say, oh, no, the GDP is higher and we have a bigger safety net,

01:40:12.640 so everybody should be better off.

01:40:14.420 Guess what?

01:40:14.960 You'll look at the numbers on local level.

01:40:16.820 You know there's tons of places in America where not everything is going fine.

01:40:20.320 Are these the same towns that are struggling the most with the churches closing, et cetera, et cetera?

01:40:25.920 Are these the towns that have the highest rates of suicide and drug addiction?

01:40:31.360 Absolutely.

01:40:32.140 That you can, if you look at where, and again, the front of the book has a shuttered church.

01:40:37.580 If you look at where that sort of thing is happening, it's got all the worst outcomes on drug addiction,

01:40:43.960 out-of-wedlock birth.

01:40:45.580 Men dropping out of the labor force is another thing.

01:40:47.900 A lot of times you think, oh, well, that means that they're injured.

01:40:50.840 Well, there's a lot of evidence that people drop out of the labor force,

01:40:54.120 and part of their illness, part of their disability is almost a sense of despair

01:40:57.800 because you can feel pointless if you don't have real human connection.

01:41:03.520 And in my life, when I go to church, there's somebody who, when I know when she's waving me over after math,

01:41:09.500 I know it's because she has a new job for me.

01:41:11.620 Sometimes we try to avoid that person.

01:41:13.440 But guess what?

01:41:14.200 Having a sense of purpose in life is absolutely crucial to staying happy and healthy.

01:41:19.280 I'm interested, Tim, there's been a lot of talk in conservative circles about the work of Orrin Cass,

01:41:26.240 and it's sort of popularized recently one particular Tucker Carlson rant on Fox News.

01:41:32.640 Do you find that analysis appealing of the way the right has looked at economic figures

01:41:38.920 and sort of made them God, or is it more complicated than that?

01:41:43.560 I think that one part you just noted there is exactly right,

01:41:46.900 that too often we try to make, A, the answer is economic growth,

01:41:52.580 and we try to find all the explanations in pure economic numbers.

01:41:56.920 That was why, for alienated America, not only did I have to go to places,

01:42:01.340 but I found the studies that look at the difference between, you know, Fayette County and Allegheny County.

01:42:07.540 There's a lot of social science that digs below the surface and looks at that.

01:42:11.760 I have disagreements with Tucker and Orrin Cass on, you know, what the solutions are,

01:42:18.520 just because I distrust government solutions to help it.

01:42:23.520 When the problem is the erosion of community, centralizing power cannot fix that problem.

01:42:30.000 So any federal law to fix this, I'm going to be very skeptical.

01:42:33.720 In the last chapter, I have some here's solution stuff, but on the federal government,

01:42:37.580 it's all kind of thou shalt not command. The government should stop doing these things that kill civil society.

01:42:45.860 And then there's still a lot more work to do after that.

01:42:49.000 But as far as what Washington can do, I don't think it can help.

01:42:53.000 You're not going to have a federal department of stronger Knights of Columbus or anything like that.

01:42:58.580 So what is the, because, you know, if it really kind of boils down to the churches going out and et cetera, et cetera,

01:43:05.220 what is it that towns can do and churches can do?

01:43:09.620 Well, the first thing is, again, on the church front,

01:43:13.420 realize that a lot of the suffering is the fault of the mismanagement of these institutions.

01:43:19.600 I'm a Catholic, and I know that my church has driven a lot of people away by not facing squarely its own problems.

01:43:25.800 But then also realizing that you have to be institutions of civil society.

01:43:30.940 If you're a religious organization, if you're a club, if you're something,

01:43:34.480 you can't just think, all right, we've got members and we're going to take care of them.

01:43:38.220 The wider community needs you to get out there and do something.

01:43:42.480 And maybe that means hosting a potluck where you donate, people donate just what they can,

01:43:47.660 and you're welcoming in both the hungry, the poor, the wealthy,

01:43:50.980 the people who desperately need a connection.

01:43:53.340 There needs to be something of a real revival religiously but also civically,

01:44:00.000 just a sort of great awakening of you have a duty to serve your neighbor.

01:44:03.400 It's not the government's duty.

01:44:04.960 The government can't do it well, and it's not your other neighbor's duty.

01:44:08.360 It's your duty.

01:44:09.760 If you have the time, and even if you feel like you don't, this is what you've got to do.

01:44:13.760 This is my big hope with Alienated America is to spur people to say,

01:44:17.320 you know what, I'm going to build another institution like this.

01:44:20.420 I'm going to make sure that our swim club actually is a real community hub serving the needs of the families

01:44:26.440 or the individuals in my area.

01:44:28.200 And it's got to be done one person at a time.

01:44:31.520 Timothy P. Carney, you're able to follow him on Twitter,

01:44:36.860 at T.P. Carney.

01:44:38.560 And the name of the book is Alienated America,

01:44:41.440 Why Some Places Thrive While Others Collapse.

01:44:44.620 Great insight.

01:44:46.740 Thank you so much, Tim.

01:44:48.080 Thanks, Tim.

01:44:48.640 You bet.

01:44:49.220 Back in just a minute with more.

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01:46:19.760 I was out at CPAC this weekend, and I talked to a lot of people, just attendees, sitting in different conferences and listening to people talk.

01:46:30.880 And there are two things that I thought were pretty much a consensus people thought were absolutely vital to the point of a national emergency.

01:46:41.060 And that is socialism and abortion, and not necessarily in that order.

01:46:47.240 It can seem pretty overwhelming, but I saw, kind of against my own better judgment, I saw a movie in advance.

01:47:06.220 And I don't like to see these with the filmmakers, because in case they really suck, I actually have to tell them they really suck.

01:47:15.480 And I don't like being in that position.

01:47:19.160 I saw the movie Unplanned.

01:47:20.940 Stu saw it with me.

01:47:22.140 And it is fantastic.

01:47:24.700 It is the time.

01:47:26.620 It is the film for the time.

01:47:29.120 And halfway through, it gave me such hope.

01:47:33.120 And I was really, a spiritual feeling came over me that this is the time, and we may see the end of abortion in my lifetime, if not sooner.

01:47:48.420 Kerry Solomon and Chuck Konzelman are the producers and writers and producers of Unplanned.

01:47:54.820 They happen to be in the studio with us now.

01:47:57.500 Hi, guys.

01:47:58.180 How are you?

01:47:59.120 Very good, Glenn.

01:48:00.380 Very good.

01:48:00.880 Very pleased to be here.

01:48:02.020 I'm thrilled to have you guys on.

01:48:05.920 First of all, great movie.

01:48:08.840 You didn't go the usual route of Christian films and make a film that is just preaching to the choir.

01:48:16.960 I felt this is one I could take my non-Christian friends to.

01:48:23.240 You know, Christians aren't always the heroes and the person that doesn't believe in God.

01:48:28.540 God isn't always the villain.

01:48:29.540 And you actually start out by showing some of these people who are screaming at these girls going in for abortions.

01:48:38.000 And their intent is to stop abortions and their intent is good, but their style is not good.

01:48:45.300 And you actually, in the first few minutes, take these guys on and make them kind of villains in a way.

01:48:51.880 It's real life.

01:48:54.140 Unfortunately, that's where the pro-life started.

01:48:58.360 Yeah.

01:48:58.500 People thought by screaming murder or baby killer that people would stop.

01:49:03.020 It had the opposite reaction.

01:49:04.100 It was a really, it was well-intentioned, but you know, as Abby's character and Abby in real life pointed out, in what world would a woman in a crisis pregnancy situation go to a guy dressed like the Grim Reaper?

01:49:17.100 You know, and carrying a scythe.

01:49:19.460 Um, Abby really is, she was the first voice to come out that was really saying, we have to preach love.

01:49:27.700 We really have to preach love.

01:49:29.980 At least the voice that first cut through.

01:49:32.980 How did you guys come across her story?

01:49:34.960 And, and tell me about that.

01:49:36.800 We'd love to tell you it was some genius thing, but, uh, Carrie will probably.

01:49:40.480 Yeah, it was, we were sitting in a coffee shop figuring out what we were going to do next.

01:49:43.800 And this, a young lady walks up to us with a book called Unplanned and says, you need to make this a movie.

01:49:49.300 And I'm like, yeah, okay.

01:49:52.760 Abortion.

01:49:53.380 I know a lot about that.

01:49:54.740 And, uh, you know, if we had it our way, we would have made a Western.

01:49:58.160 I mean, that was not, this was not our intention.

01:50:00.840 We like movies about angry men carrying powerful handguns.

01:50:03.740 Yeah.

01:50:04.960 And, but the Lord had another idea, you know, we prayed on it.

01:50:08.500 Uh, we, he had read the book first and said, you know, you got to read this.

01:50:12.540 And that kind of scared me because that kind of statement from him means there's something really good here.

01:50:19.180 And, uh, I read it and we both realized immediately it was for, for that time.

01:50:23.480 But the irony was that was six years ago.

01:50:25.840 And we prayed on it and the Lord said, not yet.

01:50:28.000 And we were confused.

01:50:29.240 And it took four years for the Lord then to drop the spirit on us again.

01:50:33.320 We were in our office working on a project.

01:50:35.620 And, uh, he said to us now, and that was 10 days before Donald Trump became president.

01:50:40.060 So timing was in this process, in this piece, it's been about the timing and as terrible as the infanticide passing laws and doing such like that.

01:50:52.400 We believe that it's for a time such as this, that he delayed this, that it's being readied for this particular time.

01:50:58.800 I think when you're watching it, there's absolutely no doubt.

01:51:01.920 There is no doubt, um, that that was, it's prepared for, for this exact time.

01:51:08.460 Um, you know, Gosnell came out and that is such a horrible story.

01:51:13.900 I don't know if you guys saw it, but it was, uh, I mean, it's not what you would expect because it had such little coverage on it.

01:51:23.100 But it's, the guy was a, a serial killer, um, and disturbed all the way around.

01:51:29.680 Um, this is a story where they're not disturbed.

01:51:34.580 Uh, the, the, the people that are doing it, the nurses are not evil.

01:51:40.280 Um, they're, they're likable.

01:51:41.980 I'd have them as my friends.

01:51:43.800 Uh, and yet they're doing and involved in these really disturbing things.

01:51:48.140 Now you just got a, an R rating from the MPAA that we did prize.

01:51:53.540 Yeah.

01:51:54.180 You mean by the organization presided over by a former assistant secretary of state from the Obama administration?

01:52:00.260 Not that there could be an agenda there.

01:52:02.080 Right.

01:52:02.400 No.

01:52:02.780 Right.

01:52:03.440 Uh, I think this is actually going to work to your advantage.

01:52:06.140 It is.

01:52:06.720 Um, we agree.

01:52:07.560 Uh, it is the, because there is how many swear words are in there?

01:52:11.960 Uh, none of any significance.

01:52:13.980 Yeah.

01:52:14.140 Like there's, there's like a, where the hell is she going?

01:52:17.460 We go that far.

01:52:18.980 We don't go further.

01:52:19.780 No, there's no warnings for just going from the MPAA's language.

01:52:25.000 There's no warning for profanity, no warning for nudity, no warning for sexual contact.

01:52:28.380 Cause there isn't any, it's only for the, uh, disturbing scene.

01:52:32.520 Yes.

01:52:32.860 And effectively violence associated with the termination of a human being.

01:52:37.140 So ironically, they're kind of supporting the pro-life stance indirectly, whether they realize it or not.

01:52:42.680 Well, when you see, and I assume this was all CGI, that was not a real.

01:52:46.760 Well, yes, it was, it was, uh, it was started actually, uh, it's kind of funny.

01:52:51.080 Our editor's wife was 13 weeks pregnant, uh, when he started his work and, uh, and had an ultrasound handy and said, can I use my, my, my son that will eventually be born?

01:53:02.280 Oh my gosh.

01:53:02.960 And so we use that as the start for the animated model that would become, uh.

01:53:07.260 So it's all based off the real, the real child.

01:53:10.120 And it's the first child ever, by the way, in the credits of a movie, the first actor ever, we gave there an acting credit to the baby in the womb.

01:53:19.280 Oh, that's great.

01:53:21.380 That's great.

01:53:22.200 I don't know if there'll ever be another one, but then he was the first.

01:53:24.980 Cash Adams.

01:53:25.640 That's great.

01:53:26.160 Um, so when you depicted that, um, explain that one scene.

01:53:32.560 You know, uh, Abby, when she went into the room, she, she never, you know, she oversaw the facility.

01:53:38.680 What people don't realize, they bring the doctors in and the doctor we used and the nurse that we used were real abortionists, by the way.

01:53:44.360 Yeah.

01:53:44.520 Dr. Anthony Levitino was, it was a retired abortionist.

01:53:47.620 He specialized actually in second trimester abortions, which are rougher.

01:53:51.540 They're dismemberment abortions, but he came in here and we got a real experience, abortion surgical nurse to play the nurse.

01:53:58.280 We wanted everything to be very, very realistic, not gratuitous, but authentic.

01:54:04.040 And so the chamber was laid out as it would have been.

01:54:08.280 The right instruments were there.

01:54:10.260 When the doc came in, he reordered his implements the way he would have had.

01:54:14.420 So when he went to work, initially he had a little bit of trouble going back, revisiting there mentally.

01:54:19.980 But then once he slipped back into it, after a couple of takes, he was very businesslike and professional in terms of his manner and how he went about doing what he did.

01:54:28.000 So what you see is as close to what really was, could be shown.

01:54:34.040 And when we showed Abby, the ultrasound images, once the animated images got to a certain point, she says, dang near perfect.

01:54:39.900 So it's, it's just, you're, and this is something that ironically, most abortionists spend their whole career never seeing because it's very rare for all abortionists to do ultrasound guided abortions.

01:54:52.400 They would actually be safer for women if they were done that way.

01:54:56.540 Planned Parenthood doesn't like to do them because it has about four to five minutes per procedure.

01:54:59.900 And when you're doing 40 procedures on a Saturday morning, that means they'd have to hire a second surgeon if they did that.

01:55:06.620 Cuts into their revenue.

01:55:07.380 Cuts into the profit margin.

01:55:08.980 Holy cow.

01:55:09.360 Yeah.

01:55:09.720 You think that's the only reason?

01:55:11.240 Oh, yeah.

01:55:11.600 I know of no other reason to judge.

01:55:13.740 It's a safer procedure because there are fewer incidences of, you know, rupturing the uterine wall or anything else.

01:55:21.600 It's far safer.

01:55:23.220 But Planned Parenthood will maintain that abortion is a completely safe procedure.

01:55:26.600 So if it's completely safe, why do you need to make it any safer?

01:55:30.380 Do you think that would affect those abortion doctors if they did it that way?

01:55:33.980 I think it would.

01:55:35.140 I mean, Dr. Levitino was actually convicted in mid-procedure.

01:55:41.420 Now, it had been, he had, he and his wife had adopted a daughter and she died.

01:55:46.300 She was old.

01:55:46.800 She was late teens.

01:55:48.720 And he didn't perform any procedures for a couple of months and then he went back on his first procedure in the middle of the procedure.

01:55:54.140 He realized this is, I'm looking at my daughter.

01:55:56.780 I'm not looking at a thing.

01:55:58.900 I'm not looking at fetal tissue.

01:55:59.980 I'm looking at a human being.

01:56:01.100 He didn't even want to finish the procedure, but he was bound to at that point, but he never performed another one.

01:56:05.800 That was the end of it.

01:56:08.860 Abby is a remarkable woman.

01:56:10.880 I saw her in a hallway the other day and she came up and she put her arms around my neck and I had my mouth right to her ear and I just whispered in her ear.

01:56:19.220 I think your story is going to change the course of history.

01:56:28.420 Everything that is said by the doctor, beam me up Scotty.

01:56:35.840 Which was what he really said in real life, yeah, during the procedure.

01:56:39.120 And all of the things that the abortion advocates at Planned Parenthood said, that's all verbatim, is it not?

01:56:47.160 Yeah, they were pretty much verbatim.

01:56:49.240 I mean, Abby being told that not-for-profit is a tax status, not a business model.

01:56:54.180 Those things, being encouraged not to have her child that she had by her boss because it would impact her job performance.

01:57:01.480 I can't say every word in the film is verbatim, but the vast majority of things, those are real life interactions.

01:57:06.620 We didn't fabricate anything.

01:57:07.880 We didn't come up with scenes to make it better or more graphic or less graphic.

01:57:11.240 We just, we interviewed her, we spent time with her, we spent a week in Texas with her and the lawyers and every transcripts from the court.

01:57:18.600 We did the whole thing and we didn't have to.

01:57:21.320 You know, our point of view, we didn't set out to make a Christian movie.

01:57:24.340 We set out to make a movie based on what happens in the abortion chamber.

01:57:28.400 And her story, like you said, is an amazing story.

01:57:31.200 She's an amazing woman.

01:57:32.160 And so we didn't have to lie or propagandize anything.

01:57:35.900 We just had to tell the truth.

01:57:37.660 And that's the best kind of movie.

01:57:39.440 I mean, it just comes out.

01:57:41.180 And it's enough for an R rating, which is really amazing.

01:57:43.720 As you pointed out earlier, it's an admission from the MPAA that these things are.

01:57:47.300 Because it's not graphic.

01:57:48.340 It's really not graphic.

01:57:49.220 If you believe that that is just tissue that somehow or another fights back, then what are you doing?

01:57:57.480 The only reason why this is shocking is because you see, and is this accurate, that the babies actually fight, try to get away from it?

01:58:08.400 Well, it's so rarely seen, as we said, but Abbey's did.

01:58:11.080 That's what shocked her.

01:58:12.280 You know, it's kind of like if you look at pictures of the Holocaust, sometimes you can look at pictures of people who've been there behind the gate and they're emaciated and everything.

01:58:20.240 And you're sad, but you lose the connection with the humanity.

01:58:23.560 Then you take one look at the people coming off the trains, still wearing their normal clothing and everything else.

01:58:28.560 And you say, it hits you like a ton of bricks, like, and the empathy kicks in.

01:58:33.280 Well, Abbey had actually seen, to be fair, fetal remains a number of times.

01:58:37.640 Part of the way up.

01:58:38.540 It showed her early on.

01:58:39.980 Yes.

01:58:40.300 Looking in the Petri dish at little arms and legs and being fascinated by it, not repelled.

01:58:45.080 And her boss deliberately didn't use the desensitization technique that's normally used.

01:58:51.480 Usually, if a Planned Parenthood employee is targeted for becoming a clinic leader or exec, they'll start with the fetal remains in Petri dishes.

01:59:01.140 And they'll start at, like, six weeks where it looks more like a blob.

01:59:04.300 And you can say, well, maybe it's not a human being.

01:59:07.340 And then they'll gradually start.

01:59:08.940 Then they'll show them an eight-weeker, then a ten-weeker.

01:59:11.300 And then by the time they're done, it's a 16-weeker.

01:59:13.360 And you can tell this is clearly a baby.

01:59:15.140 But it's a plan for desensitization.

01:59:18.020 They started Abbey right off.

01:59:19.600 I think her boss was testing her.

01:59:22.820 She had picked her.

01:59:24.400 She was mentoring Abbey.

01:59:26.240 She had picked her own successor in her mind.

01:59:29.120 This was sort of the final trip into the inner cave.

01:59:32.760 It opens March 29th.

01:59:35.160 And I would urge you to find a way to organize yourself, your church, your ward.

01:59:40.740 If you happen to be a Mormon, I know this is a rated R movie.

01:59:44.220 But that is a political rating.

01:59:47.080 There is nothing more important than seeing this and bringing people, especially youth, to see this.

01:59:55.160 It will change them forever.

01:59:57.000 There's no way you walk out of this movie and say, oh, well, that's just a blob.

02:00:01.380 It is very, very clear.

02:00:03.700 And that's why the MPAA is trying to make sure they bar, especially the people who are 14, 15, 16, 17, who are all allowed to go have an abortion without their parents' permission.

02:00:16.860 But they can't go see this movie without a parent.

02:00:19.520 Take your kids to it and have a discussion and organize your churches and make sure you see this movie.

02:00:26.840 Highest recommendation.

02:00:28.460 You want to stop abortion.

02:00:30.340 This is the first bullet in the arsenal.

02:00:33.360 And it's incredible.

02:00:35.340 It is really worth seeing.

02:00:37.080 March 29th.

02:00:38.200 The movie is Unplanned.

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02:00:41.860 Go to unplannedmovie.com.

02:00:44.740 Or I'm sorry, unplannedfilm.com.

02:00:47.700 Unplannedfilm.com.

02:00:49.180 Gentlemen, thank you so much.

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02:02:08.440 You know, we dropped the ball.

02:02:10.580 We didn't get to the happy Hickenlooper news, nor will we today.

02:02:14.580 Maybe tomorrow.

02:02:15.500 Maybe tomorrow.

02:02:15.960 It's pretty big news.

02:02:16.840 Everybody will be covering it.

02:02:19.140 But instead, we do want to cover an I'm sorry from the Washington Post.

02:02:25.580 Yeah, they posted an article online, January 19th, reporting on an incident at the Lincoln Memorial.

02:02:30.320 Subsequent reporting, a student statement and additional video allow for a more complete assessment of what occurred,

02:02:35.520 either contradicting or failing to confirm accounts provided in the story,

02:02:38.800 including that a Native American activist, Nathan Phillips, was prevented by one student from moving on,

02:02:43.140 that his group had been taunted by the students in the lead-up to the encounter,

02:02:45.700 and that the students were trying to instigate a conflict.

02:02:48.400 But it's just six weeks later after these kids' lives have been destroyed.

02:02:51.560 I just want to let you know.

02:02:52.820 Only a $250 million lawsuit, you know, gets them back to the typewriter.

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